Just marathoned WA2 last night, and the double whammy from finishing a show and ending on a downer is starting to sink in.
We know how Kazusa gradually fell for Haruki, but when did Haruki start having romantic feelings for Kazusa? It seemed like he was friendzoning her pretty hard here.
OTOH, he thought she wasn't interested in him, so he might've just said "friends" to avoid weirding her out.
But he was also half-asleep and talking more freely than usual at the time, so you'd think he was saying what he really thought.
>but when did Haruki start having romantic feelings for Kazusa?
From the beginning. He wrote Todokanai Koi about Kazusa so at least as long as he had that notebook which was like freshman year or something. The irony lies in the fact that ultimately Setsuna is the one who actually sings it.
He barely knew anything about her for a long time though, except that she was always grumpy and sleepy. I guess I can see being intrigued by a pretty, prickly girl living her life incorrectly, though.
Ah, I was wondering if he wrote that song with her in mind, but forgot to ask.
>so at least as long as he had that notebook which was like freshman year or something
Didn't he only meet her in third year, when she got demoted into his class?
Is it true that we never got a full version of Setsuna singing White Album to Kazusa's piano from the end of ep 1? I really liked that version.
...Wait a minute. They never announced who won the Miss Toujou election that year!
(But obviously it'd be Setsuna. The real question is if Kazusa unseated Drillbitch from second place with her mad instrument skillz.)
>Threads from 2013 missing from desustorage, but kept by fireden
Oh, thank God.
>All those pre-airing comments that speculated Closing Chapter and Coda would get their own seasons
He was never in love with Setsuna though. She knew that and still acted which is why there was so much pain in the first place.
If Setsuna had just given up she would have saved herself a lifetime of pain and simultaneously allowed true love to blossom. It's not an overstatement to say that Setsuna ruined everything.
Do we have actual measurements for these two?
Oh, when Setsuna finds out about the previous night's sexual escapade, you know what'll happen next.
Well, you see
It's going to be a long time before they start getting intimate with each other, and even then it's only after Haruki is convinced he'll never see Kazusa again. Then after spending years together and being engaged Haruki still leaves Setsuna the moment Kazusa returns.
I'm not sure what the moral of the story is supposed to be. True love always finds a way I guess? Never lie to yourself when it comes to love?
I don't know. I just feel like this entire series could have been avoided if Haruki had just confessed to Kazusa at the start.
I don't think there's any way to argue that Setsuna wasn't wrong.
She knew that Haruki and Kazusa loved each other and specifically tried to prevent them from figuring that out and then proceeded to flaunt her relationship and to make things worse tried to guilt trip them both when they finally embraced each other.
She was dealt a losing hand from the very start but she just had to try and bring everyone else down with her.
The only saving grace is that Setsuna acknowledged how wrong she was and never resisted her retribution.
Except Setsuna is enabling his behavior. She knew that if both of them got together she would be frozen out and took action to confess to him to keep the 3 of together. I am not convinced that she likes him that much. Girl is just dumb, why would she even think that it is a good idea?
There's a 'what if' novel about it anon,he confesses to her and she accepts,she turns dere very fast
Go read the VN,IC is translated and you would know that he was a crush on Touma if you already read it
>As such, substantial knowledge of the aforementioned events in the Concluding Chapter is necessary in understanding this entry.
Bookmarked for future reference. I'd like to get the full experience in the right order.
Thank you so much, Anon. Thank you.
Surprisingly little fanart for a reportedly popular VN. Only 5 pages on Gelbooru, mostly official. I haven't even checked for doujins yet.
I was under the impression it placed highly in polls.
>surprisingly little fanart
People probably liked it as it stood out from other VNs in terms of depth, but not enough to reconcile themselves with the ending, which was a zero sum. Also this >>139517679 probably didn't sit well with people.
>but not enough to reconcile themselves with the ending, which was a zero sum.
That's what doujins are for! Don't tell me there isn't a doujin of Kazusa's mom remarrying a sleaze who hits on his new stepdaughter.
I hope it's a BD version.
>Dat boob and collarbone caress
I would say it's funnier out of context, except it's even more of a blowout with subs and audio.
But then she's gone, and the despair sets in.
True, that. She's like Eva-pilot maladjusted.
I saved this picture 3 years ago when they announced the anime and said it was going to be 50 episodes total.
I miss that optimism ;_;
Maybe next year ;_;
I mainly just want some figures at this point. It's really disappointing that they never made figures of Kazusa/Setsuna in their campus fest outfits. They really dropped the ball on that.
I thought I was the only one, been listening to it nonstop since last week and I have been depressed since then because it remind me of shit I didn't want to remember... and because the anime is pretty cute.
I fear I'll get sad anytime I hear a saxophone number from now on.
these all the hints that Kazusa is the true ending of the WA2 as a whole, althought it's pretty clear if you play the game:
WA1 subtitle is: Tsuzurareru Fuyu no Omoide( feelings of winter put together)
Kazusa's theme in WA2 is After All-Tsuzurareru no Omoide-(after all, feelings put together)
the title of the PS3 and PSP versions: "White Album2-Shiawase no Mukogawa" The other side of happiness)
When asked about the subtitle, Maruto answered:
"In love, when you make someone happy, there will often be also people who will not be happy as a result"
The theme Happiness (shiawase) and the opposite side of happiness (shiawase no mukogawa) is the theme of the game."
This theme is only followed in Kazusa's route, since Haruki and kazusa sacrifice other people's happines in exchange for their own happiness.
the last scene in Kazusa's coda has Powder Snow, WA1 true ending song.
the credits song in Kazusa's coda is "Closing" the song is about Kazusa's and haruki's feeling finally being resolved, that ending credits is the only one with the White Album2 and Coda logos.
More copypasta greatest hits
Today, is the crossroad in my...in the life of the 3 of us.
because the decision I'll make today will involve a lot of the people around me.
"you're the one who vanished from my reach!"
"you're the one who went somewhere I could never reach!"
"what's wrong with me loving a good for nothing!"
Because, ever since that time...
In the day my fate started rolling was winter, in that day it was snowing, it's been always continued snowing...
My chest hurts
harsher than the coldness of winter covering my whole body, harsher than the coldness of the snow, something more bitter and painful surges like a stream.
I won't run away anymore.
I have no option but to choose one among the two of them
Haruki: ugh... hnghh...
I know what's right, what's precious, and what's happy
Even so, I doubt.
Because this is my ultimate decision.
Kazusa won't decide, so I will do it.
Just for this once time, I'll obey my feelings, I'll choose my most precious person in the world.
I won't regret it even if it's a mistake.
this will be my final, one that I won't be able to return from, ultimate decision
They were in love since before the story started, only that neither of them say it so, then this whore come into the picture and decide to break up their relationship, even KNOWING their feelings, fuck that whore, iI hope she get gangbanged by a thousand angry niggers FUCK.
Haruki: "Kazusa, you're a horrible woman, your personality is bad, your attitude is bad, and you're a coward.
Your only good point is your piano"
Kazusa: "What... Harukiii..."
She instantly looks down, and her voice shakes.
Haruki: "You look good on the exterior, but you're rotten on the inside, no matter how talented you are, you're a failure as a member of society."
Kazusa: "Stop.... stop..."
The strong front she had until now disappears, and she can't hide her shock and tears.
Haruki: "You're the lowest, do you know how much suffering you've caused me?"
Kazusa: "Please... Don't be that mean... Even I know what you're saying it's true"
Tears accumulate in her eyes, and she looks at me like an abandoned puppy.
Haruki: "It's natural for someone with your talent to rest on your laurels, and to not adapt to society, and to fail as a person."
She really is so weak...
Haruki: "Kazusa, you're an absolute failure."
Haruki: "If Youko-san and I are gone, how are you gonna live?"
Kazusa: "How should I know? I wouldn't even think of that possibility!"
Haruki: "You are this useless, helpless and weak."
Kazusa: "Harukiiii! Youuu..!"
Haruki: "So I have to choice but to take matters into my own hands"
If she's like that, there's no way I can leave her.
Haruki: "I, you know... that terrible person that you are... I love her, more than anyone in the world"
kazusa:"....... Eh, eh-?"
Haruki: "If you don't live happily, I can't stand that."
No, I want to do it, I want to reach out my hand to her
Haruki: "So you can be happy, no, so you can keep on living, I'll say it."
Haruki. "I'll stay at your side... even If I have to throw everything away"
Jesus, that hurt to read. It's like kicking a puppy.
Can't wait for the complete game TL.
>tfw when I watched this 2 years ago and never realized this till now
AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, SHE IS BROKEN IN HALF
But she (heck, both the girls) are so broken and love-starved that they just take it. Damn.
VN anons, is Touma full dere after the events of IC? Does she ever show her strict side to Haruki again?
Haruki: "If Youko-san and I are gone, how are you gonna live?"
Did either/both of them know
her mom's conditionat the time?
Did the nips not buy enough BDs. It's a real shame to see an actually good vn adaptation be cut short
Well yeah but the player could also choose to exit the game any time and consider it an ending to the game. There is however a true ending in the sense that it's one that has all the clear marking of being the author's intended destination for the story. Kazusa's route was the one the story was built around, everything else was simply things being branched off for the sake of creating a broader experience that encourages multiple playthroughs.
There is a Setsuna True End that's kinda like a Good End. I don't think there's a corresponding Kazusa Good End that throws Setsuna a bone though. Maybe the Twinkle Snow alternate-timeline omake, from what I hear.
>the title of the PS3 and PSP versions: "White Album2-Shiawase no Mukogawa" The other side of happiness)
>When asked about the subtitle, Maruto answered:
>"In love, when you make someone happy, there will often be also people who will not be happy as a result"
>The theme Happiness (shiawase) and the opposite side of happiness (shiawase no mukogawa) is the theme of the game."
No wonder both girls remind me of Sakura in different ways.
I've heard that in Setsuna's route,
Kazusa manages to give up on Haruki, and even stays in their new life. But how can you be sure she isn't just putting on a front for their sake, like before? She's good at that.
Then again, she left in the first place because she had reached her limit, so I doubt she could keep it up a second time if it weren't real.
>Trying to gauge Kazusa honesty through POV of Setsuna, the one person she least wants to hurt
Oh my fucking god.
Speaking of Symphogear, I loved this cameo in ep 7. Gotta check the archives for /a/'s reaction at the time.
Haruki: "What are you doing? do you know what time is it?"
Kazusa: "... what happened to your face?"
Haruki: "Answer my question first, I was the first to make one."
Kasuza: "...I was waiting for you in your room, and because you were pretty late in coming back, and your phone was turned off..."
Haruki: "Ah, I turned it off, sorry"
Kazusa: "I decided to wait outside for a bit, then walked to the station to try to meet you, and thought that maybe I missed you on the way, and hurried back.
I couldn't sleep since you weren't coming back, so I decided to wait awake, and repeated the first step.
I think I repeated the whole process like 5 times?"
Clingy women aren't this cute IRL aren't they?
Why are you fucks still talking about this shitfest when clearly many of you were hurt by the ending and are miffed by the VN spoilers
I swear you people are masochists
Don't do this to yourself
>tfw I play the sax and will never sound like this
I apologize if this is the wrong term for it.
For me the wounds are fresh, so I can only lick them by talking. I was given fair warning last week, and thought of dropping it from my watchlist, but ended up drawn like a moth to flame instead.
But it really was a beautiful show
;_;I hope it gets concluding seasons someday.
it's love at first sight for both of them but because of who they are their feelings developed very slowly. you can see some chemistry going between the two of them. Without Setsuna, they may end up together as love birds or just move on with their lives, but point is they will have that warm first love memories.
Thanks to Setsuna and the events that she set off, all three of them suffered for years. Then they found solace, somewhat.
Well his reasoning was a bit questionable.
For Setsuna it was because he didn't have a reason to say no to her.
For Kazusa it's because he loved her more than anything in the world.
Haruki is sipmly too polite, too courteous, too willing to go with the flow. One of the themes of the story is reflected in Haruki's recognition of this flaw and his eventual overcoming of it in the closing chapter.
>just realized Takeya was trying to deliver Haruki's feelings to her
What a bro.
Setsuna didn't want that. She knew that if Haruki and Kazusa ever became close she would feel left out and wouldn't want to be in the group. So she confessed to Haruki before Kazusa did and in doing so caused everyone in the group years of pain and suffering because she was too selfish to just be happy for the two of them.
What's the post limit?
Haruki: I'll stay at your side no matter what. Even if I have to abandon everything else.
Kazusa:... you're not being serious
Kazusa: don't tease me like that
Kazusa: even though I know you're lying, I still believe it a little, and it makes me sad
Haruki: Do you hate the idea of being with me sad? Do you dislike the idea of being with me that much?
kazusa: Idiot! don't misunderstand things on purpose! I hate when you do that!
Kazusa: it's like waking up from a dream, and getting sad because of something you can never have
Kazusa: don't talk about impossible dreams, there's a limit to cruelty
Haruki: unfortunately, you're off the mark
Haruki: I'm not lying, and I'm not teasing you either
Haruki: I'll really stay with you no matter what from now on, no matter where you go. Even if that place is Vienna
Haruki: The pianist Kazusa Touma, or just the regular Japanese Kazusa Touma, I don't care which one.
Haruki: I'll support you from now on, I'll live for your sake from now on
Kazusa: haruki... you... are you........ insane?
We both freeze where we stand, but not from the winter air surrounding us, and not from happiness either, but from the pressure, the despair and the depression weighing us down
Kazusa: if you grant my wish, you'll have to leave someone else's dream behind...
Haruki: I'm fine even if I have to leave Japan, leaving overseas might be harsh at first, but I have confidence I'll manage to get a job
Kazusa: I don't mean that...!
Haruki: Don't worry about my family, they never cared much about me in the first place
Kazusa: I don't mean that, you're pretending to misunderstand thing again!
Kazusa: What about... Setsuna?
kazusa: you... no way.... are you serious?
She is the catalyst for all the pain and suffering in the series, but her actions were perfectly human. She wanted to be happy and tried to make up for the pain it would bring by trying to keep everyone together.
This. It's easy to insult her for being selfish, but that is exactly the reason why I like her: she fought for her love, and she fought hard , until the bitter end.
She's an admirable character in how she doesn't let anything stand in the way of her dreams and happiness, and even when the obstacle proved to be too great for her, she didn't give up.
I think I feel *less* alive, since it's made me question my life with a bleak eye, and not find clear answers on what joy I can look forward to, nor how I should fix that. Also, like Haruki said, how I would even live if/when my parents die. Normally this is where I would appreciate them more, but my mom's also in a naggy mood and cancelling it out. Ironically I'm only forgetting my sadness when I'm angry. I'm not sure which feeling is worse.
Sorry for the blog.
Can confirm, I have autism. And she is literally me, just the opposite sex. Felt weird when I realized that I self-inserted as her. I can even play all the songs that she played in the anime.
But after all those painful years, I've come to the conclusion that human relationships are stupid and not worth the trouble. Well... except if I find a Kazusa in real life some day. I'm living in Vienna right now, wish me luck.
To be honest, everything would have been better if they just had a threesome on the onsen, and to be honest, most of series would get a lot better if they had threesomes, that would make everyone happier.
>White Album 2
>No White Album 1
The official art for WA1 was way better
I love the style that they used for it
>Meanwhile, Coda game TL barely started
We're in for a long wait, huh?
Kazusa love is alive and well.
So, why is it that Kazusa and Haruki were so fiercely in love in with each other?
They seem like very different kinds of people. Haruki and Setsuna on paper seemed like they would have made the better couple but for some reason the connection they had just couldn't even compare.
Is it possible that the author believed that strong relationships require people who meet very specific thresholds of similarities and differences?
At the age Haruki was at the end of the story he should have been fully matured, so any hormonal influenced feelings should have been under control. Even then, his feelings for Kazusa and her feelings for him returned stronger than ever before.
Perhaps I'm over analyzing it but it's really all quite remarkable and it's interesting to think about.
Wow this is still alive?
Haruki: I'll save the one most important person in the world to me, that's why I decided.
Haruki: right now, that probably right
Kazusa: *crying sounds* that's... don't do it... haruki...
Kazusa: if you say more, I won't ever be able to live without you...
Haruki: uh... if you say that, it only makes me want to protect you harder...
Kazusa: *crying* so... sorry
haruki: listen, Kazusa, this is something only I decided, if you don't agree and it doesn't make you happy, if you're happier not taking my hand, then... I'll give up.
I only want your happiness...
but right now, I'm only causing you pain, I'm sorry.
but, you'll have to decide.
haruki: probably, for both you and me, whatever the future has for us, we'll only find regret.
So at least, let's decide our own future, let's regret our own decision, if we're betraying someone dear, let's always carry that weight.
Haruki: I've already betrayed. Now you're the only one left.
haruki: if this decision will make your life harsher, of if it'll make it a little happier...
i want you to consider it.
If you give me a positive answer, I'll do everything in my power to open up that path.
Even if I have to make a pact with the devil.
-scene cuts, Kazusa is now in the airport, the announcer says in the voicespeaker that the plane to Vienna is about to leave-
Later we see a plane taking off.
Haruki gets of the train, and when he's leaving the station, he finds Kazusa standing there.
Kazusa: it's been a week, how are you doing?
Haruki: the same to you...
Kazusa: me? or course I'm not doing well, because of that horrible choice you gave me, I thought I'd get sick and end up in the hospital
Kazusa: what's with that face? don't tell me you already regreted what you said to me?
Haruki: I wouldn't...
Kazusa: if you regreted, that'd be only natural...
Kazusa: I thought pretty hard about that choice, it'd be weird if I didn't...
Haruki: and your answer is...?
Haruki: shouldn't you give me an answer already? are you going to choose me, or are you going to dump me?
Kazusa: ... I went to the airport today...
Kazusa: I wasn't planning to run away and return to Vienna, I didn't even buy a ticket.
Haruki: then, why?
Kazusa: I just wanted to remember.
Haruki: remember what?
Kazusa: the sadness I felt when I left you 5 years ago, the pain that pierced my heart..
Kazusa: and I compared it, to the pain my decision would cause
Haruki: and then...?
Kazusa: don't you want to ask why was i waiting for you here?
Kazusa: you know why, that I know what day is today, that there's a place you must definitely go today.
Kazusa: Haruki... you're going to Setsuna's birthday party, am i wrong?
Kazusa: you'll meet with Setsuna, and won't say anything about me, you'll give her a present, eat with her, and kiss her when you're alone, right?
Kazusa: and then you'll regret your decision, you'll think it's okay to leave me behind, that you're fine with Setsuna.
Haruki: I wouldn't...
Kazusa: I know how you are, you'll doubt again
Kazusa: ...but I'll put an end to that.
Kazusa: I hurried from the airport, by car, by taxi, and even running here to meet you, and I barely made it.
Kazusa: i came here to stop you.
Kazusa: don't meet Setsuna anymore... Haruki... betray Setsuna... and choose me. Please... stay always by side...
Haruki: are you sure?
Kazusa: I love you
>Breaking up with Setsuna on her birthday
This girl just cannot catch a break.
>Kazusa: don't meet Setsuna anymore... Haruki... betray Setsuna... and choose me. Please... stay always by side...
It irritates me that she calls it betreyal. Kazusa and Haruki have every right to love each other. Setsuna took it upon herself to complicate things. She knew that all of this would happen and she did it anyways. She brought this on herself.
No betrayal is occurring. Only justice.
White Album with just the vocals and piano, from episode 1. >>139524049 sounds like keyboard, but it's as close as we're gonna get.
There's something special about the lover's duet that started it all. It's not the best song, but it's still my favorite.
It's destiny, I ain't gotta explain shit.
But to take a crass stab at it, I'd say Haruki was first intrigued by her juxtaposition of beauty and self-neglect, and grew emotionally attached as he tried "fixing" her and gradually saw more sides of her. Meanwhile, Kazusa was both vexed and touched by Haruki's genuinely helpful nature and persistence in spite of her crabbiness, which nobody else put up with. tl;dr, their resistances only made each other's penises harder. Don't try this at home, kids.
To be continued, maybe.
Can't finish... hurts too much
If you dislike Setsuna that's fine but saying Kazusa did no wrong by fucking her best friends boyfriend on her birthday is retarded.
>b-but they were in love first
Doesn't matter, it's a dick move.
Wait.... this shit has a happy ending, right?
Having read the novels that end the story I can say Setsuna might as well have manipulated everything to make things harder on those two. Not only that she also did it in a way she came out as a victim even. A true manipulator
Yes she is
setsuna and haruki got married in her coda true end. With kazusa attended and the three of them sang a song after the ceremony. Every thing is happy which is kinda out of place compared to kazusa's true end
>The two of us staying together means we're not getting a happy ending.
It's not about good. it's just grown up and grown upping problems. In pic related the GG kissing his GF while looking at another women he fucks them both though.
It doesn't look like people know this, but the novelization of WA2 has Haruki choosing Kazusa.
And actually it's pretty great, it starts following Setsuna's route, then it switches to Kazusa normal and finally ends with Kazusa true.
There's a scene at the end that shows Setsuna getting married to Haruki, and Kazusa is there, and everyone is happy(like in her true end), but it ends up being Setsuna's dream, it's awesome, like the author telling you how impossible Setsuna's route in the game is.
If they ever make more WA2 anime, they should follow the novels script.
>There's a scene at the end that shows Setsuna getting married to Haruki, and Kazusa is there, and everyone is happy(like in her true end), but it ends up being Setsuna's dream, it's awesome, like the author telling you how impossible Setsuna's route in the game is.
Maruto you cruel motherfucker.
The Setsuna clone will win this time. I can feel it. I'm also surprised Megumi is so popular while Setsuna is by far less popular than Kazusa even though their roles are so similar.
Kinda off-topic but Maruto really loves his meta-references. Saekano was pretty much his playground. It was pretty nice to be able to pick up on all the parallels he draws with WA2. In fact, it's was so meta that Saekano references itself (especially so if you read the manga spinoffs).
Utaha's novel you mean? I don't think the VN they created had anything to do with WA2.
Off the top of my head:
- Koisuru Metronome (Utaha's novel) was pretty much WA2, they even got Setsuna and Haruki's seiyuus to voice a short clip in the Anime.
- Don't know if this was in the Anime or one of the spinoffs, but Utaha wanted to write a new novel that was more "highschool harem"-esque. Literally Maruto himself.
And I'm pretty sure there's a couple more, but I don't really remember much. I should really re-read the series.
She won the aqua plus poll aswell.
I doubt so, it definitely isn't limited to just Utaha. Well, who knows. I haven't followed his antics that closely.
Another interesting note about Saekano was that Maruto said he needed to approach it more carefully, since LNs have only one "ending", unlike VNs. Granted, it's not like WA2 had "choices" per se, but it'll definitely be pretty interesting to see how he handles Saekano.
Maybe that's why he wrote the spinoffs for Eriri and Utaha?
Probably. It'll definitely will not be a simple, clear cut "win", though. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it ends up with a WA2 style "no one wins, everyone loses" situation.
One group has been making WA2 doujins for every girl
Holy shit Mari:
I'm considering it. I've got a relative head start, and it would be more productive than some of my other hobbies. OTOH I've been wishing to resume drawing and gaming for months too, but keep putting those off due to real life. I think it's about time I finished Hollow Ataraxia.
I've been wanting to translate the Kazusa one since forever, but it's impossible to find the raw, only the chinese scanlation was uploaded.
The Setsuna one looks okay too, but it takes place after her true ending, maybe people won't get some dialogues and it can be spoilerish.
Not for a living, but I have a classical piano education of 16 years. I would if I didn't have zero sense of rythm, but I can play pretty much anything classical, except ensemble. I have been getting into rock/jazz/pop but my lack of rythm really shows there. Would post videos but I'm afraid of getting bashed. And no, I'm not rich. But I'm saying that my overall character is very similair to hers.
Of course (at least when she was younger)
>Kazusa: and then you'll regret your decision, you'll think it's okay to leave me behind, that you're fine with Setsuna.
>Haruki: I wouldn't...
>Kazusa: I know how you are, you'll doubt again
Do you think she was right about him?
Thanks man, I can still hope. This thread was really nice, so I just thought to hell with it and recorded something I'm practicing right now. Not the right anime, but it's something I guess. I should play something from WA2 sometime...
I played a bit when I was little, but didn't keep going. Kept up violin longer, but haven't pulled it out in years either. It had its moments. I couldn't read notes for shit, but had great muscle memory once I learned a piece.
Thanks. I think for Violin being able to read sheets is actually very important, but try to pick it up again, if you can. It really is fun, most of the time!
It's the ending, and the fact that all of the characters share some of the blame for what happened...probably
I felt like the flashbacks explained Kazusa more since it was her POV, but Haruki not so much, so it can be fun to play armchair psychoanalyst. What do we know about Haruki's mother?
>There's a scene at the end that shows Setsuna getting married to Haruki, and Kazusa is there, and everyone is happy(like in her true end), but it ends up being Setsuna's dream
Now that's just stupid. The author is trying too hard.
IIRC he once mentioned that she's meant to be a tragic character. Even her name sounds like the word "setsunai", which means "heartbreaking".
So >>139634858 had the right idea...
Maruto also went after Setsunafags in the afterword by confirming that Haruki and Kazusa are quite happy as a couple in Kazusa's true end and weren't depressed about what they had to do in order to be together.
Oh, come on! Now that just makes the two sound like assholes, and contradicts some of the specifics I've seen in ending summaries. I'm glad they have each other and don't want them quite as war-vet-dead-inside as Katniss or the Animorphs, but they *should* feel guilty sometimes, at least as much as the reader.
To be honest I skipped it a lot while marathoning, so I couldn't remember the exact lyrics and had to look them up to read along.
Yep. Saekano's illustrator Misaki Kurehito.
>He was... dear to me...
You don't do this to a bro, not cool at all, Haruki.
Were their friends right? Literally everybody could see that Kazusa and Haruki loved each other from the start, and it WAS Setsuna who fucked everything up. But at the same time, Haruki and Kazusa did do scumbaggy things too.
Kazusa is for tender loving
In Viennese Austria, Kazusa fucks you!
That was one of the best sex scenes I've seen in anime.
Like her ASS
you're wrong and you know it, all the characters on this show fuck up so I don't think there is a best girl.
same desu. Makes me feel more like a human being though
Getting it off my chest actually helped, and I'm practically recovered today. I'm really grateful to everyone who's kept this thread going while I was down (or, y'know, asleep).
The TL is being done at BT is machine TL-tier. It really doesn't do this series (and Maruto's writing) enough justice.
I would definitely recommend either picking up Japanese (at the rate it's being TL'd, you'll most likely pick up the language faster). The patch just ruins the experience imo.
If you want to spoil yourself, you should definitely check out mdz's summaries. He's done a really good job of capturing the series' premise. Even if you've only watched the show, it's still a worthwhile read.
Satelight did a really great job with the adaption. There were a lot of little, minor actions that carried a lot of meaning. WA2 was all about character relationships, it's a shame it'll never be decently TL'd.
Funny thing is this song is about a woman who is thinking of following her husband who she suspects of cheating but it's Setsuna who's the fucking cheater.
I am surprised as I made a similar thread on sunday and then this one poped and I was happy.
Having an anime telling yourself to do a reality check is something amazing, dunno makes me want to find a someone that loves me like that, sadly, real life isn't like this.
If I got good enough to read the raw with less info/flavor loss than reading their TL, would that also make me capable of a decent translation?
>but it's Setsuna who's the fucking cheater
>If I got good enough to read the raw with less info/flavor loss than reading their TL, would that also make me capable of a decent translation?
Understanding is one thing, translating is another. There are a lot of aspects that can't be as easily translated (writing styles, tone etc). It would honestly be easier if you read it in JP.
For the BT project, it was originally a bigger pile of shit and was literally machine-TL everywhere. I haven't kept up with it but it seems they have an actual "team" now; but based on their guidelines and a couple of the scripts, it's still pretty shitty imo. There's a lot of inconsistencies. If you want a decent TL, the whole project needs to be completely re-done.
>There are a lot of aspects that can't be as easily translated (writing styles, tone etc).
I suspected there might be issues like that. Thanks for elaborating.
That reminds me, do you have any recommendations for starting out? This site was Google's first result:
Check DJT, it should cover pretty much everything. You can definitely pick up the language by yourself eventually but I personally think the fastest way is to expose yourself to more media (in addition to the basics of course). Anki cards do help but nothing can beat actual material. Read more, watch more, listen more. You'll see that it's easier to "understand" Japanese rather than trying to translate it in your head.
>Daily Japanese Thread
WA2 really struck a note with me. I don't have much to compare it to but as it stands I think it's a brillaint romance series that really delivered the serious drama, character development, and pure expression of love I wanted out of a romance series.
Are there any other series out there that live up to or surpass WA2?
It's not as intense or tragic as WA2, but I usually like recommending Kanojo Ni Naru Hi for romance, since it's short and sweet as fuck. (Originally 5 chapters, then got a continuation.) I feel like each drama source it introduces is done justice without feeling rushed or dragged-out.
Will see if I can think of anything heavier.
Why didn't you read original version of original WA to experience 原田宇陀児's vision?
WA2 sprites look so silly at times, they ruin serious scenes, like this one:
>Mom is fine, right? This is only a simple anemia, right?
It's so full of quality they really should remake the game with actually good art at some point.
I'm sure they will, they did with WA after all.
No, the main artist didn't make the deadline, and they had to rush the shit out of it and hire other artist.
It ended up with varying degrees of quality, some of the CGs and sprites, mainly the CC ones look actually pretty good, but some others look like shit.
Dang, that's such a shame.
M-Maybe if they ever do a remake, they'll want another anime season to market it, too. God, I feel like Setsuna with her forlorn hypotheticals.
Shut up and take my money!
Yo' mommy has slut issues.
Io is so fucking shit. She planned her whole life around getting Haruki and Setsuna together without ever considering Haruki's feelings. And then she threw a massive fit in Coda Kazusa route because that didn't work out.
Takeya is also a shitty best friend.
I dunno, going by the anime, Takeya tried to help HaruKazu happen while things were still up in the air, but believed you should stay committed once you made a choice. That's a position I can respect. I think Kazusa had the same belief, which is why she kept steering Haruki to give Setsuna his full attention, tried (but failed) to distance herself gracefully, and felt guilty about finally cracking under the heartache.
It reminds me a bit of Tsukihime's layout, where the magnetism between Shiki and Arc is so strong that to do Ciel's route, you have to piss Arc off at every turn and make it clear she's forcing you to help her at gunpoint. And even then, Shiki still kinda likes her when he's forced to choose, and she hijacks Ciel's Good End. And the Far Side routes have to avoid their fateful meeting entirely for the other girls to stand a chance.
>endure the Kazusafags' taunts after the anime ending
>"oh well the show's finished, I'll get over it eventually"
>WA2 threads appear periodically, most of them