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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://bitlasers.com/djt

Previous Thread:
>>139016138
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Mods please do your job and ban the spammer.

Thanks.
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>>139028297
Guess I'll use this one
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Let him shitpost in his own thread
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>>139028490
Can we contact the mods somehow? I feel like this won't stop until they give a clear decision. If that kills the threads, then so be it.
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>OP + 4 replies
>3 posters

Samefag harder OP, the other thread was first go have a sook.
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>>139028548
I made the 2nd post retard.
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おはよお

おにいちゃんあたしも

ううんなんでもない
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>>139028536
>If that kills the threads, then so be it.

go fuck yourself mate
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>>139028774
I don't want them killed of course. But I don't know how the mods would decide it.
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>Dekinai Japanese Thread
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起きる
>to get up, get out of bed

起きる
>to occur

起こる
>to happen

起こる
>to wake up
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>>139028835
They're all basically the same thing aren't they though.
>起こる
>to wake up
I don't think this happens
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>>139028835
transitive and intransitive verbs I get but why do they have to use the same kanji for so many words
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>>139028835
Just realised, 'wake up' is actually 起こす.
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Can someone help out?
This is what I think some of them should be, probably
>"元気そうだ"xx?
>冗xが下xだな
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>>139028835
I feel like these make sense though, since they share the common theme of rising
>events arise
>rise from bed
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日本語でお話をしよう!初心者でも歓迎だぜ!
今期一番気に入ったアニメは?自分はこのすばかな。アクア様に罵倒されたい
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>>139029107
って

下品
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>tfw you want to read a series and no raws available, but it's being scanlated by a group keeping their raws private
>tfw okay I'll just read it in English
>tfw you realize they have no fucking clue what they're doing and are machine TL'ing

Why do people who can't TL try to TL?
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>>139029107
「元気そうだ」って?
冗談が下品だな
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>>139029107
きっとよめるよ
がんばっておにいちゃん
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I guess the new rule is "first OP with the correct OP image" until this all boils over?
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>>139029188
>He hasn't heard of a jet coaster
Get out more, anon.
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この書き込みはiPhoneの音声入力を使って書いたものです技術って本当にすばらしいですね終わり
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>>139029171
>>139029191
Thank you!
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>>139029192
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>>139029196
And the correct text.

But lets not talk about this. We shouldn't give the mods even more reason to ban us by casually staying off-topic.
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>>139029188
Most manga scanlations are this, yet /a/ is completely unaware, doesn't care, or is too lazy to spend a couple months studying to start reading manga untranslated.

The unavailability of weekly manga is the main reason why I can't be bothered reading manga, though. A bit of a shame groups are so stingy and won't share their raws, but I guess if they did that everyone would know how shit they are.

Are there online JP sub services that let you subscribe to digital versions of specific manga? I don't want to import entire magazines with shipping costs and all just for a couple manga inside it.

>>139029239
Oh I didn't notice the fucked up OP text. I guess it really is that spammer autist.
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>>139029188
What? It's called jet coaster in my language. English word adoption thing, What does it called in English? Roller coaster?
The 2 is different? It's jet coaster in japanese tho.
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>>139029196
I don't feel safe being on his thread, that's why I'm here. DGAF about OP image.
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>>139029308
>The unavailability of weekly manga is the main reason why I can't be bothered reading manga, though.
I read one or two weekly manga. Haruka-yumenoato and manga-zone is what I've been using.

You can subscribe to Jump Digital only if you are in Japan. They detect by IP.
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>>139029310
>>139029213
ESL's please go, roller coaster is roller coaster.
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>>139029373
Go where brah. I'm too old to go to roller coaster. Anyway, in japanese it's ジェットコースター so yeah.
Man, I'm going to google this jet coaster roller coaster thing.
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>>139029404
Katakana shouldn't always be transliterated. That's like translating stuff like スタイル as "style" (though jet coaster isn't AS bad).
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>>139029464
スタイル does actually mean "style" in some contexts, though not very often.
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>>139029464
No yeah. I mean, I get why the translator mistranslated it, he's probably not a native speaker either.
Japan is not the only language that uses "jet coaster", I've always thought they were synonyms, until 5 seconds ago.
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>>139029559
>Japan is not the only language that uses "jet coaster"

It is though. "Jet coaster" is one of those words that sounds logical and correct but isn't actually a real English word.
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Some /a/nons started to talk about morpheem.jp in the last thread, What do you think about it?

Session done!

You know 1,560 – 2,050 Japanese words.

Yesterday you knew 1,180 – 6,050 words.

This is better than 55% of users.

Did it just now for the first time. I got more than 3000 words in Anki so I was a bit surprised that it's this low.
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>>139029594
I think I did it and got about 20k, but I don't think I know that many. I don't think it's very accurate.
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>>139029404
>Anyway, in japanese it's ジェットコースター so yeah.
Yes, I know, that's why I posted that image since it makes their shittiness clear. It's fucking shitty false-friend Katana engrish, why the fuck would you transliterate it when it's inaccurate.
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>>139029594
>he forgot 4k words in a day

yeah I doubt that thing is accurate at all
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>>139029688
But you know what they meant right?

The point of shitty scanlations is to roughly translate manga fast since for the vast magority of these people, they do it for fun and not a job.

I don't think most of their readers care whether it says "roller coaster" or "jet coaster" since they know what they are taking about, they have pictures after all.
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>>139028708
Genki desu ka? Watashi mo genki desu.
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>>139029782
This is so much easier to read. I won't be surprised when in 5-10 years Japanese is just Romaji with spaces and sentances structured like normal people.
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>>139029782
わたしぇわ元気です笑うですね!!ははかっくいいい!ですううう
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>>139029591
>It is though.
It's not. >>139029310
It's also called jet coaster in my language. Some English word adoption thing. I mean, last thread I asked about "narcissism" and the wiki link was so far off than how the local language adopted the words. Narcissist locally just means "selfie addict".

Maybe it's a コンセント kind of adoption. Roller coaster have too much L and R for the natives local tongue maybe, that's why it's called "jet coaster" in my language.

>>139029688
At least it's not as bad as translating コンセントはどこ to "consent". My guess is the person is probably not a native. I mean, you'd know immediately if some regular word is not a word right, in your local language.
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>>139029830
>japan and the japanese in general start using romanji
>feel guilty because my mother tongue, culture, and nation took part in utterly defacing a modern language.
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>高くなかった
>Tae Kim throwing tongue twisters at me minutes in

Is my tongue just shit?
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>>139030104
It is.
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>>139030104
Eat more sushi.
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>>139029780
>But you know what they meant right?
Because I speak moon. An EOP would not necessarily know jet coaster = roller coaster, they might guess it but it would read quite oddly for them.

Why do they horde their raws I just want to read this series unraped.
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>>139030104
You get used to it.
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>>139030200
I posted some website for you here >>139029371
Have fun reading manga. It doesn't follow leak schedule though.

Like I have to read Mangastream's atrocious translation first before I can read the WSJ once it's out.
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When going through Tae Kim do you guys bother much with the vocab or do you just focus on the rules and leave vocab to the core2k/6k deck?

It's taking me a while to slog through it when I'm trying to learn the vocab used too.
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>>139029594
looks cool but in the end i think it's shit.

i think one reason why it's so inaccurate is because certain loanwords (i.e. katakana words) are considered to be advanced vocabulary, but are easy for those who know the language they were borrowed from. this fact can trick some algorithms into overestimating your vocabulary.

just take the JCAT if you want to know how good you are at japanese. it's free for individuals, and it's so accurate that even japanese universities have contracted their language testing services.
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>>139030606
I have related question like this.

I'm half way through Tae Kim, should I start studying a radical deck or core2k?
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>>139030606
Don't focus on vocab in Tae Kim, you will pick up some words even without aiming to. They are there just to illustrate the grammar.
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>>139030606
Whether you do it in TK or anki hardly makes a difference, you gotta study it eventually anyway. If it annoys you to learn the vocab before starting another TK lesson just skip it and do anki afterwards with your saved time.
Then again a lot of people end up not actually studying in the time they saved.
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>>139029216
すごい
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Anyone else given up study and embraced the hedonistic approach of reading whatever whenever?
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>>139031049
Yes, but I force myself to cover a minimum amount of pages per day at least.
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>>139031049
Don't give up "study", just do less of it.
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>>139031124
All I do is read anyway.
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>>139031151
What's this すいご刀ゲーム?
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>>139031196
Shadow Warrior
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>>139031049
>giving up study
>not building up an impressive anki summary to gloat about on djt

Honestly actually reading japanese is secondary to this
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>>139031222
Literally nobody cares. I'm not even saying this because I pity you or anything, I'm just neutrally stating a fact, nobody in the entire world cares or will ever care about your anki stats. Not even you yourself care, admit it.
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>>139031151
Why is the writing backwards?
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>>139031266
Maybe it's a brain exercise
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>>139031266
Because it's a photo
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>>139031222
There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!

But really I'll keep up with reviews, may as well. Not finding enough new words to keep doing them though.
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>>139031266
Japanese people used to read backwards before WW2, duh.
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Retard here.

I just finished Japanese the Manga Way and loved it. I don't know how I should proceed next, however. The guide for lazy morons like me tells me to open up Tae Kim and do kana/kanji/vocab everyday but holy shit that text sure looks boring when compared to JtMW.
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>>139031316
Start reading. No joke. Read and look up every piece of grammar you don't recognize in DOJG, or just by googling. This is where the real challange starts

Oh and do vocab/kanji on the side if you haven't started already.
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>>139031316

I, like the humongous retard moron I am, forgot to mention that I feel my weakest point at the moment is kanji and kanji combinations. Kanjidamage is being decent at making me memorize some but I don't see any word practice there.

Please don't make me subscribe to wanikani.
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>>139031258
>Not even you yourself care, admit it.

I do care. It makes me feel good to see relatively detailed stats about how I've improved over time. I don't really expect anyone else to care, however I myself find inspiration when I see posts like >>139031307 which remind me that it's actually possible.

>>139031316
>>139031388
I haven't read it, but I thought Japanese the Manga Way covered the grammar that Tae Kim does already? Either way this anon is right >>139031365
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>>139031286
>いぬのちんぽ

What the fuck?
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>>139031477
you have a dirty mind, anon
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How does one pronounce あ゛あ゛あ゛あ゛あ゛?
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>>139031477
it's さんぽ, but i did the same thing
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>>139031477
さんぽ
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Jesus, my brain can't handle these endless rows of virtual synonyms in core.
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>>139031573
>>139031539
>>139031575

Oh, damn
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>>139031550
あ濁点 あ濁点 あ濁点 あ濁点 あ濁点
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>>139031477
Good thing you made this mistake here instead of in real life
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>>139032171
I don't think it would be that bad

Everyone loves dick jokes... right?
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>>139028297
I learned my first katakana, guys. Since I have finally seen that katakana is used for foreign words, I showed myself how they wrote Sailor Moon, and in the process I learned the kanas!

Question is: why do they put the dashes in between each kana,and do I really have to do it?

セーラームーン!
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>>139032262
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>>139032262
You can put spaces too or other symbols too, but Japanese Nihonjin don't really do that too much. You can put in smaller kanas as a stylistic choice, like やゆよ. The general rule is 1 symbol/dash per katakana.
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When reading materials that are out of your reach by a fair amount do you prefer to look up every word you don't know or read through a Chuck then go back and look up keywords?
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>>139032642
My plan is to read things other than them for 2-3 years then pick it up as an experienced veteran and blow through'm at native level
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>>139031316
J:TMW covers everything in Tae Kim except some of the "Advanced" section, which you don't need to read Yotsuba.
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>>139032676
>learning japanese toread ものべの
>want to just read it, not read a few words then look up the vocab/grammar for the rest of the sentance
>it will be years before I'm even close to that stage

Wait for me 夏葉ちゃん!
大好きだよ!
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>report multiple posts from the spammer last thread
>got a warning for abusing the reporting system
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>>139033957
>making mods do their job
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Boy, has there ever been a shittier browser than Firefox, which can't even close itself properly and has its exe linger on in the background. It's about time someone made a proper Chrome version of Rikaisama.
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>>139034141
Firefox is the best piece of open source software ever made. You shut your goddamn whore mouth.
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>>139034303
Welcome to the highest level of japanese
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>>139033957
They see the posts out of context so they look legitimate.
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>>139034339

Even so:

"I would rather have 1000 beginners asking how wa and ga work than 1 argumentative autist"

-Sun Tzu
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>>139033957
I don't really get what kind of special autism you have to have to believe your personal opinion matters more than the mods' and to spend several days worth of time doing this shit instead of just filtering the thread and worrying about stuff that actually matters or doing something more productive with your time. The absolute massive amounts of delusion in his posts last thread towards the end is even more hilarious.

Probably this >>139034382 though. If they aren't actively browsing the thread and they don't know that it's just that autist shitting up the threads for the whole thread, they'd probably just see it as you reporting legitimate questions.

Oh well, back to reading I guess.
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>>139034848
Were you here last thread?
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How do I deal with words like this?
>大毘盧遮那成仏神変加持経
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>>139034896
Oh, I guess reading my post back it could be misinterpreted. That was all talking about the autist spamming threads / who spammed last thread, not the guy I was responding to. I don't really get it.
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>>139034964
Oh geez ya, I definitely misinterpreted that.
>>139034935
Buddhism is like a second language inside of Japanese.
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>>139034719
The problem is when the argumentative autist starts asking how wa and ga works to make some kind of a "point".
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>>139034935
I can't even remember it in english, not point trying to learn it in japanese
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>>139034303

You seem to have deleted your post in shame but it is not a shameful question, just a common beginner one. If you'd like, try reading JtMW, it is the best Tae Kim alternative by far, although it doesn't go as much in depth as Tae Kim does by the end. But beyond that, the real answer is just keep reading and eventually context will make it clear.
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>>139035308
DOBJG has the best explanation.
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>>139035308
>You seem to have deleted your post in shame

That and I found an answer that made sense to me a few minutes later so I decided to delete the post instead of leaving the possibility for tons of mean responces shitting up the thread.

For any lurkers that are confused too, this explination helped: https://youtu.be/UCiIAXVr1FU?t=5m9s
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>>139035525
>mean responses

Not going to happen as long as the question is legitimate.
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>>139035465

I don't disagree, but I think it as a total beginner it makes a lot more sense to read through a whole grammar guide once just to get a feel for it all before worrying about fully understanding each particular part. Otherwise you risk spending way too much time on each part individually.
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>>139034935
Learn Chinese.
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とれたてのミームを観ましょうか
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>female singer uses 俺, お前 and ぜ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4izWBHUstw
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>>139036219
>Maki Asakawa
Top-tier taste.
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>>139032676
This doesn't work that well desu
The only way to get to the point where you can read Muramasa-level things easily is by reading Muramasa-level things. If you just try to avoid hard things until you can read them easily then it will be 10 years until you can read them instead of 2 or 3.

Fortunately Muramasa was so long that after spending 20 hours on the prologue + first chapter it got significantly easier, and by the time I finished the common route I was looking up words about as often as I did with other VNs.

I read a few other short Nitro+ works (Kikokugai/Saya no Uta/Dra Koi) as a quick prep, although I'd recommend reading Hanachirasu first since it's by the same author.
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>>139035525
I got one more が tip you probably didn't read. Use it with わかる instead of を. So, in cases where you think をわかる would be appropriate, you must say がわかる instead.
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>>139036461
I disagree. As long as you're steadily encountering new words, its just a matter of time until you hit Muramasa level. I read the prologue of Muramasa to confirm this. It's high level for sure, but it's still Japanese.
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Why さゃん and not さん
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Is 80-82% retention fore core 2k6 (I'm halfway through) considered good? I'm doing 50 new cards a day and pressing again whenever I'm wrong.
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>>139037485
If you're below 95% you'll never learn Japanese
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>>139037485
It's okay, yeah. If you're talking about young retention, that is. Maybe a bit higher, but reading and more exposure should help. Your mature retention should be above 95%, maaaybe 90%.
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>>139037441
ちゃん - i know you like that and youre かわいい
さん - i dont know you like that and you could still be かわいい though
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>texthookers (ith + chiitrans) work with every moege
>break on literally every fucking game with an ounce of difficulty
Mother FUCKER
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>>139037575
Actually I said retention but I'm talking about the % next to "Again count" on the statistics page. I assume it's that though.

On mature cards it says 90~%, for today that is.
For overall deck life it says 95% for mature cards and 93% for Young+Learn. So I suppose I'm doing well?
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>>139037687
What about ITHVNR? ITH with VNR's engine.
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>>139037705
>For overall deck life it says 95% for mature cards and 93% for Young+Learn.
Yeah that's fine. The important stat here is 95% on mature cards, but 93% on young is really good too.
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>>139037719
Likewise.
ITHVNR is a weird one, it hooks to some games but then never shows any output.
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>>139037767
That's a shame to hear. Could probably post about it on one of those forums and see if someone can make a working H code or maybe see if there's something the devs of those texthookers could do, but who knows.
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>>139037854
I'd rather shake my fist at life and feel sorry for myself.
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>>139037760
I'm expecting it to drop the more I progress though the deck though, well not drop drastically but a few % still. Everything in core 2k was really easy since I already had prior experience with the language but the other 4k are slightly harder, or I should say brought up many words I had no knowledge of before.

Anyone did core 10k? How are the new 4k cards? I know most people are going to tell me to not bother and just read but I also heard people saying it had a lot of common words 6k didn't (and should have) include(d).
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>>139037927
My personal opinion is that if the words are common enough that you'll run into them a lot while reading, then you can just mine them/learn them while reading and have them be a lot easier to learn since you saw them in full context in the compelling content you're reading. After you get into reading I think Core in general is something best left for "rainy days" where you didn't mine enough words.
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>>139033957
Did you report like all 300 of them? I got tired after 20 and just did something else. That was a shitshow. I'd imagine it wont' end tomorrow either.
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>>139037920
If it's popular enough, someone on one of those forums has probably made a working H code or fix for it, might be worth checking out.
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>>139036092
arigato, yo
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Has anyone here learned Japanese (or at the very least reach N1 level) without reading?
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>>139037705
mine is 36.8%, should I quit?
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>>139038164
Nope, reason being N1 tests reading.
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>>139038227
Are you less than 2 months in? Of course you are. Do your reps, fucker.
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>>139038067
it reminds me of the good old accelerator spammer days

though i think reporting probably cant do much so you have to actually get a hold of someone and explain whats going on and hopefully they can do something
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>>139038262
I'm just under a year and a half in though...
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>>139038164
>Has anyone here learned Japanese
No.

In all seriousness though, assuming you just mean getting to that level listening-wise and not in other aspects, this thread pretty much revolves around reading massive amounts of content, so it's a bit unlikely that people like that are even here outside of Fin who got good listening comprehension by watching 10000 hours of anime.
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>>139038246
>>139038164
Sorry, I'm dumb for not specifying it; I mean has anyone reached that level without reading manga, VNs, doujins or newspaper occasionally?
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>>139038285
Then that's pretty bad. How many new cards are you doing? Hope you didn't fell for the meme.
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>>139038302
>I mean has anyone reached that level without reading manga, VNs, doujins or newspaper occasionally?
That clarification doesn't help at all
>>139038289
Finny pre-reading study would fail N1 because it's all kanji
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>>139038337
50 new cards, then once I'm done (hopefully in the morning) I'll do 50 more if I feel like it.
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>>139038348
Yeah that's why I said
>assuming you just mean getting to that level listening-wise and not in other aspects
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>>139038381
You fell for the fucking meme.
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>>139038028
I see. I'll take the decision once I finish core 2k6k. Although I've already been reading and I do mine words but they're just sitting on a list as I want to finish core 2k6k before adding them otherwise I'll have too many reps a day (I'm already at 500~ reps a day counting all my decks).

>>139038227
I'm the person you replied to. I learned how to write before doing core so I already know all the Kanji and their meanings, if that can make you feel better.

If core is that hard for you look into RTK/KD or even WK. I'm biased towards RTK as the best option out of the three if done correctly, other two suck in my opinion.
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>>139038381
How many reps do you even do per day with that shit retention?
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>>139038429
I personally just stopped doing new words in Core when I started reading in order to work through my mining deck instead.
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>>139038472
By reading I just mean a doujin a day though. That or a manga with short chapters (like 10p / ch). I like my current routine and don't plan on changing.
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>>139038521
>a doujin a day
Do doujins really use that much dialog though? Most I've read tend to have a handful of pages with dialog at most, followed by onamatapia, yesyesyes/nonono and detailed descriptions of what they are doing, e.g. "I'm sliding my cock in and out of your dripping birthing hole"
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Is the /int/ Jap guide any good?
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>>139038627
>"I'm sliding my cock in and out of your dripping birthing hole"
Hi Erika Mitchell
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>>139038627
No him (I'm the guy he's responding to though), but you'd be surprised. Some fetishes require a lot of dialogue to set up and execute well. If he's that early on vocab-wise he probably still has to look up a fair amount. Probably not nearly as much as he'd have to look up in your typical moege, but still enough.
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Ideally, how many words should I try to mine each day at least?
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>>139038761
As much as new cards you do.
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>>139038627
Depends, honestly some do. More than anything doujins are fun and relaxing to read for me, there's no pressure, if you get what I mean. I know how important getting oneself to read is so doujins are a good compromise to me (until I'm done with core 2k6k and start reading VNs that is).

One of my favorites : http://exhentai.org/g/462331/537888e5aa/
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Can I use an い adjective to modify a noun in a noun phrase? Like, 楽しいゲーム? Or can I only use な and の adjectives this way?
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Hanachirasu definitely isn't easy but I really just get the impression that if kept reading random shit I'd accumulate the vast majority of vocabulary by circumstance
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>>139038858
He wasn't disagreeing with you, he just said it would take a very very long time.
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>>139038934
Well, I mean, in a shorter time frame of course. 10 years? No way.
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>>139038429
>I learned how to write before doing core so I already know all the Kanji and their meanings
So you haven't finished core 6k, but you've finished RTK1 right? How many unseen cards left do you have?
Just read the whole RTK2, if you bingeread, it will take you 3 days or less. Then just start reading, why wait.

If you want to finish Core 6k then it's all good too. Since you've finished RTK, I'd give you an opinion here. You already have the general idea of kanji meanings in your head, because most kanji are 形成文字, most 熟語 you'll find, you can break down to what you've learned from RTK1. Read 2 too if you've finished 1, you're halfway there.

Somebody a couple thread ago asked about 備品. If you've done RTK1, you can parse the word into 備 and 品. You get the idea of what it means. Same with 業界. etc, whatever.

Obv, you'll meet exceptions after exceptions, 当て字 like 寿司 where it doesn't make sense but really, I encourage you to start reading.

You may not even need the Core 6k (if, after) you actually finish RTK2, and can just make your own mined deck.

Most kanji are 形声文字 and you'd be able to recognize 象形文字 as well if you've finished RTK1. You can read on-yomi when you've finished RTK2.

After that you just have to deal with exceptions and repetitions.

I'm not really into RTK1 because the book doesn't teach kanji together with on-yomi and words like most books. But if you've done RTK1, start reading while doing RTK2. You might be in for a surprise in regards to how you use Anki moving forward.
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>>139038285
How haven't you completed core already if you're doing 50 new cards a day?
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>>139038458
OK think of it as a percentage. If you retain 80% of cards. The more card you do you will learn and retain more. And the more you know the easier retention gets. That's not to say do a crazy amount just to try and get in new words. If that's the case just do actual reading and look up words.
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>>139038458
Woops misread your post.
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Does anyone here do 100 new words a day? My plan is to blast through core2k in 3 weeks (along with Tae Kim and a Tae Kim deck) and then dive into reading once I've hit 2k words.

Has anyone else gone at this speed? Did you survive the reps?
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>>139039010
If all you read in those 10 years is moege level stuff then I don't think it's far off. There's a few words that I can remember seeing in Muramasa and never seeing since (and it's been a few years since I've read it)

薨去
寂滅為楽
元寇

plus of course all the kendou terms and technical shit used to describe the fights in excruciating detail
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>>139039091
>Somebody a couple thread ago asked about 備品
Yeah that was me top kek. Don't worry I'm never going to forget that word now.

>Just read the whole RTK2
I tried to but it just felt too meh to me, I'd rather figure things out by myself by getting used to how Kanji are read through core and through context rather than brute-forcing readings per Kanji. Everything is going well for me at the moment so there is nothing to fix really.

Thanks for the advice anyway.
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>>139039369
>a few words
That's the thing, it'd be a few words in an entire novel, not a big deal.
The fight I read in the prologue was not that hard I think (i.e. not God Level Impossible), most of the terms were easy to understand in context.
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>>139039331
Why would you do this?
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>>139039331
Is that your plan to burnout in less than three weeks?
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>>139039331
Core2k is also 1,000 kanji. Do you plan on learning 50 some kanji a day?
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>>139039331
You're better off doing 2000 words in a single day, so you won't have to deal with reps the next day.
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>>139039544
>>139039566
I want to get into reading as soon as possible but if I'm looking up veery word it's not really reading is it, more like solving a puzzle.

>>139039604
I was just going to learn through vocab and not the kanji directly

>>139039639
If I did that I'd have well over 1k reps the next day, what are you talking about?
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>>139039679
>I was just going to learn through vocab and not the kanji directly
水 - みず - water
You'll be learning 50 kanji a day m8 you will fail.
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>>139039679
>If I did that I'd have well over 1k reps the next day, what are you talking about?
Press easy, ye dummy.
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>>139039679
Get a text hooker
You can learn vocab while reading and since you're (hopefully) reading stuff you're interested in it'll stick better.
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>>139039679
This is a terrible idea. Don't rush it, learning Japanese takes time and there's nothing you can do about it.
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>>139039720
>water offered to wrestlers just prior to a bout;
lel
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Is there any difference between 髪 and 髪の毛? If not, is one more formal than the other?
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>>139039984
>having to mouse over 水
That's the real lel here
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>>139040037
>not mousing over everything
top kek
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>>139040090
Indeed, why bother learning japanese? If you spend enough time doing so, you can figure out the meaning of any phrase using google and dictionaries, no matter the language.
There is nothing wrong with relying on crutches, right? :^)
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>>139039372
RTK2 is good in the sense that it's easier to just remember that 較 is カク while the rest of 校 variants is コウ, and so on.
If you don't like it, it is what it is. I'm not that into RTK1 either. Well, I wish you'd finish Core6k soon so you can read more materials soon.

>>139039331
Why don't you just use the browse feature if reading the day after tomorrow is your goal. Just browse the 2000 words daily for 3 weeks over and over and then start reading.

Whatever you decide to do, finish a grammar book first. If you don't understand basic grammar, you can't read.

Tae Kim's Basic Grammar section is very concise, way too concise to be a sole grammar learning material. Tae Kim himself stated that it's meant to be used as a supplement.

3 weeks blasting through Tae Kim is possible, and if you want to read all of Core2k right this hour, you can just use the browse feature instead of properly doing Anki.

You either naive, trolling, or a really ambitious, determined guy. I sort of want to see how far you will be in that 3 weeks point from today.
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>>139040037
>having to
Projecting here m8 ?
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>>139040249
ya
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Is there a way to just forget your native language? I feel like that would help me.
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>>139040249
Ah, a true idiot. Curiosity is bad, and staying shut in you current knowledge without questioning yourself is the true strength!
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I was warned for reporting the spammer from the other thread.
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>>139039744
>Press easy, ye dummy.

Do you guys do this often? Myself I only press easy if I get it instantly or near enough instantly, if it takes me over 10 seconds I press the middle one rather than easy.

Am I being too harsh on myself? Should I be pressing easy more?
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>>139040309
>I wish you'd finish Core6k soon so you can read more materials soon.
I understand what you're trying to say and I appreciate it. I suppose it wouldn't hurt trying to read through RTK2 at least once so I'll do that the next couple days and see how it goes. Worst case scenario I'll at least have an opinion on the book.

I'm already halfway through core2k6k by the way, and I do read things like I said, doujins or song lyrics, and even if it's not much I'm liking my current schedule. I also have other hobbies on the side (art) so it's not like I wish to fully devote myself to Japanese either. It's true if I just wanted to get better there would be faster ways for me to improve, I'm conscious of this.

Thanks again for trying to help.
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>>139040486
I use easy if I can read it, if I can't I just press good.
Assuming we are talking about new cards, though.
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>>139040478
>>139034382
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>>139040556
You press good when you can't read a card? When do you ever use bad then?
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>>139040602
They don't even filter by IP?
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>>139040631
That came out wrong, I meant to say I press bad, then when I can read it, I press good.
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>>139040646
>expecting mods to pay that much attention
I was asleep when that shit show took place, so it's also possible he was autistic enough to use several IPs for posting those like he did with spamming new threads.
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>>139040701
Naw, his posts were relegated to 60 seconds apart.
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>>139040631
read the manual.

Again is if you get it wrong

Hard is if you made a good guess (you weren't sure with yourself) but got it right

Good is if you recalled it

Easy is if you recalled studying it instead of recalled the character itself. Basically if it came as quickly as reading an english character was.

Good is supposed to be used 90% of the time, its what the algorithm is based on.
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>>139040701
I would hope that the mods would be smart enough to look somewhat more into whats going on if there are several legitimate looking posts reported by several different users in the same thread, but I guess the mods aren't that smart
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>>139039369
Do you add stuff like this to your mining deck?
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>>139040396
one day youll wake up, hop out of bed, fling open the curtains and go お日様おはよう~ 今朝もかわいいですにゃ and then 変身 into your 制服 and run off to 学校 with トースト hangin out your 口

just keeping doing flash cards or whatever
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>>139040779
Good, thought I'd been doing it wrong all these days
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>>139040923
Literacy ain't free, the tree of Japanese gotta be littered with the cries from my soul while reviewing shit like >>139034935
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>>139040396
Being a NEET helps, all my english interactions are with 4chan and the government (although Im looking into requesting japanese workers when getting my assistance). My parents won't talk to me anymore because I only ever talk in japanese. Ive started to dream in japanese too.
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>>139040749
>>139040911
Either way, banning him does nothing because he'll just ban evade like he did before. It's not really gonna stop until he gets bored and fucks off or the mods give him a definitive answer. I doubt that answer would be to ban DJT considering how much he's kicking, screaming, and breaking rules over it. Banning DJT would just be showing people that you can always get your way as long as you ban evade and cause enough noise and problems for them.
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>>139040517
Like I said in that thread, it's about the general idea of RTK2. I don't know what your hesitation about RTK2 rooted from, but I don't do 組 祖 狙 阻 is read ソ, 交 校 効 is コウ but 較 is カク.

I just get the general idea that 組 all reads the same while 交 has exception and the exception is 較 and so on. I don't even finish the book, mind you I use it as a cheat sheet once every new moon or so.
What I do is read, find the words 交通 学校 効力 組織 祖先 狙撃 阻止 from reading and then eventually I begin getting used to it.

Remembering on-yomi one by one without context is not something I can do very well. It's just easier to remember 超 is チョウ from reading、and the rest will be read as ショウ from 紹介. I can't even recall how many 召 kanji there is, other than that it's 5 or more.

I just know know it's all read ショウ other than 超, based on 紹介 and it makes my study easier.
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>>139041086
Even if the mods gave a definitive answer he wouldn't stop. He would just accuse them of being bad mods going against the 4chan way.
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>>139040923
>薨去
new unique kanji, no brainer to add
>元寇
new unique kanji, no brainer to add
>寂滅為楽
kinda cool word, yojijukugo cred so add

>>139034935
useless shit
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At the point where one knows all the most common words in the language, where one has grammar mostly down pat, I think its at that point wherein language learning becomes the most difficult to really nail down, it becomes gorilla warfare, it's a transition from a honest head-on battle whererin any reading material is a worthy opponent to a war wherein every unknown word has to be chased down and slain, wherein one forgets more words than they encounter new, wherein classical Japanese rears its ugly head and cannot be ignored... it is within this gorilla warfare that the spirit of a Japanese learner is truly tested as they must expend their seething youth in labor for fluency through sheer exposure with nary a smile to be had as the relentless march towards native level continues unending into the murky twilight of upper-intermediate lower-advanced Japanese proficiency.
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>>139041086
If you got warned, you could join irc.rizon.net #4chan and msg a mod. They mostly talk to eachother. Just mostly.
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>>139041137
This sounds like a really smart way to prep for readings actually. I think RTK2 is stupid because memorizing all the readings is stupid, but just learning the phonetic components and noting which kanji are exceptions sounds fairly worthwhile. The info could probably be written down on a couple pages though instead of having to read through all or RTK2 to get at it.

>>139041176
Except all you have to do is chill and read/listen to compelling content, putting just a little bit of thought into ensuring that the material is appropriately challenging and that you aren't being too narrow genrewise or ignoring listening or something.
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>>139041366
I dont want to hear comments from lower-intermediates
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>>139041443
same
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>>139041443
nice shitpost
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So, I finally got around to putting those last touches on the guide and finishing things up.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H8lw5gnep7B_uZAbHLfZPWxJlzpykP5H901y6xEYVsk/edit?usp=sharing

It's a more compact version of the old guide, with a more extensive section regarding the various methods to learn Kanji. The resources have been moved to a separate document.
I also added some things to the FAQ and misc sections, so please take a look at those.

Please let me know what you think.
Unless there's some kind of overwhelming disapproval, I'll be replacing the current guide with this new version sometime in the next few days.

Happy learning.
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>>139041615
I thought you were dead
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>>139041615
Man, you need to stop trying to shit on WaniKani.
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>>139041176
>implying I'm going to continue to better my knowledge when I have access to an unlimited amount of moege

I'm a little afraid honestly. Once I get to a point where I can comfortably read moege, it's going to be hard to find the motivation to not just sink into my comfy little bubble and never learn challanging words again.
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>>139041626
I don't die so easily, I'm just a lazy shit that's really bad at keeping up with deadlines I set for myself.

>>139041680
Sorry, that's not happening.
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>>139041693
Moege expert here. As long as you don't straight up start skipping words/lines you don't understand in moege you'll be fine.
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>>139041693
Don't you wanna read all of that chuunige?
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>>139041615
>Why are you so biased towards WaniKani?
Didn't you mean "biased against"?
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>>139041822
I'm not an edgy faggot, so no thanks
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>>139041867
Fair enough.
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>>139041867
Don't you want to deito Belt-tan?
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>>139041854
Sure did, thanks for the correction.
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>>139041737
>Sorry, that's not happening.
Then we're going to have a big fight, you and I.
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How to fix Japanese:
>Remove kanji
>invent more words for non unique words with different meaning
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So if Hirgana are just cursive forms of Kanji, when I decide to write some Kanji down on paper for Japanese people, how do I know which Hiragana to choose for my cursive writing?
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>>139041988
>How to fix Japanese:
>Make it English instead
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>>139041981
Bring it on, you flabbergasting whippersnappy cutie-pie.
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>>139034719

>wa

smhtbhfam
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>>139041615
The Anki startup guide link was recently changed. Check the OP for the new link.
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Hey guys how do you say something's an "acquired taste" or something similar in Japanese?
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>>139041366
He divided the book into chapters. Those with same readings, those with only 1 exceptions, those with exceptions, and several other chapters. You can't write down just the exception because there are other chapters too.
But the gist is I don't try to remember on-yomi one by one, but making myself aware of the idea that there are some patterns to kanji and it's readings. Even if for a sizeable chunk of kanji, the pattern is seemingly having no pattern and the way is just to memorize them by exposures.
Like I said, cheat sheet.
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>>139042249
Gotcha, thanks.
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>>139041137
Yeah but I can already do these things automatically with core, honestly. I'm already aware of the logic behind of all the stuff you mentioned.
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>>139042315
もえげわうんちね?
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>>139041615
May I ask your opinion on WK? I'd just like to hear it.

I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, myself I don't really like WK either, and I did look into it.
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>>139042503
It'd be pretty great if they weren't charging money for it.
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>>139042609
No it fucking wouldn't you rotten piece of shit
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>>139042609
The money is not the issue (though it is pretty shitty), the pacing and lack of customization is. Even if it were free I'm positive we still wouldn't recommend it.
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>>139042503
Even if it didn't cost money, you should be using better material through instead. Download the Kangxi radicals deck, add 60 cards a week (yes you can, radicals are that easy). Where you go from there is up to you. You can either pick up the lazy learner's guide, which has everything you even might need, or branch out into kanji and vocab decks and research rtk and stuff.
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>>139042677
>Download the Kangxi radicals deck, add 60 cards a week (yes you can, radicals are that easy).
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>>139042708
I assume he meant per day. If that's not what you're referring to, what's the issue here?
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>>139042774
Yeah, I meant per day, sorry.
>>139042708
I said "week" because I was thinking about how that gets you through them in a week.
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>>139042774
60 cards a week isn't divisible into 7 days, and 60 cards a day would be way too fast, so it's just bizarre advice in general, so its bizarre either way
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>>139042852
This >>139042816
Plus he said that radicals ARE that easy, which, to be fair, they kind of are unless you're trying to do keyword -> radical (producing them from memory) or something, which that deck isn't. You could bump it down to 40 a day and it'd still be about a week. They aren't nearly as hard as vocab or kanji.
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>>139042438
Wat
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How the fuck do you guys take translating doujins? I've fapped like 50 times in the past 4 days
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>>139042969
I don't really think so, half the radicals are kanji. They're just as hard as any other group of moon symbols. Then again I'm just a general slowpoke I guess. 10 kana a day.
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>>139043048
Self control.
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>>139042503
Certainly.

As you may have noticed, I believe that education is incredibly important. I believe that education is not just a nice commodity for wealthy people who can afford to send their kids to a good school, but a human right. I believe that it is the duty of everyone to share basic knowledge they learned with those who are willing to learn, and that it is the duty of a government to provide the people it rules with a basic level of education. I believe that education should come free of charge, or at least at a price which is affordable to even the poorest of citizens. And if not, institutions are to be put into place so that these people may still receive the financial aid needed so that they can attend an education.

The internet is one of the best things ever that has happened to education. Almost anyone can access and share knowledge and exchange ideas. To obstruct the free sharing of knowledge and ideas which are beneficial to the public is an act of terror on the populace, and must not be tolerated. Obstructing education is not a line short of crippling someone and their potential that they may have.

Wanikani provides education. I don't deny that. But it charges for this service. There is nothing inherently wrong with charging for a service, but I will not endorse a service that costs money and provides an inferior service to the service that you could do yourself. Wanikani limits the learner, even though there's nothing that stands in the way of alleviating this barrier to someone who wants to learn more.
Anki is free, does the same things Wanikani does, and provides a highly customize-able environment for the learner, without imposing any limits that cannot be removed if the learner wishes to do so. You can even modify the program if you have some knowledge of the language it's written in.

1/2
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>>139043170
Being horny is really distracting though, it means I can't concentrate as much, so I always want to fap as soon as possible to return to normal
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>>139043048
I chant 南無阿弥陀仏 every time I get horny.
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>バイキング
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>>139043255
I understand that certain schools also charge for education, and that they also impose certain limits since teachers aren't always there. But I wouldn't recommend those schools to anyone unless there are no free alternatives that are better or can at least measure up to what the school offers (e.g. language course vs. self-study).

I have had the luck to grow up in an environment in which education was highly regarded, and I was taught many things before others did in school thanks to my environment. I understand that not everyone may be able to provide such an environment for their child, but I believe that at the very least someone who is willing to learn should not be limited in or stopped from doing so. Educated citizens will make educated choices. There's a reason why countries with a high standard of education are better off economically.

Aside from which, learning is one of the most fulfilling and beautiful experiences a human can experience and one of the greatest pleasures in life. Nobody should be denied this.

/rant

Did I mention that education is important?
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>>139042414
Hey, whatever works for you best. It's just easier to read 組祖狙阻 side by side once for me.
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>>139043255
>it is the duty of a government to provide the people it rules with a basic level of education
That's false. The only legitimate duty that a government has is to defend its tax paying population against aggression.
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>read one chapters of yotsubato
>25 minutes
>feels like i wont learn anything if i keep on going because of furigana

who /fellforthereadingmeme/ here
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>>139043491
>ばい菌

There's a serious lack of pictures of angry vikings on google
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>>139043491
I tried to find a picture of a viking riding a bike while eating, but had no success.
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>>139043555
It clearly wasn't your parent's legitimate duty to provide their children with a basic level of education
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>>139043555
>The only legitimate duty that a government has is to defend its tax paying population against aggression.
What you read is my personal conviction. I understand that this may differ from what philosophers or students of law say, so just treat it as what it is and nothing more.
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>>139043255
>>139043500
I love you sensei, may you live a fulfilling life <3

also duble dubs, nice
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>>139043703
>tfw typoing s' when trashing someone's education
i guess i deserved that
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>>139043071
Well, all the radicals that are basically kanji are the kind of super unique kanji that don't share much shape. I think there's only five pairs of radicals that I might compare. Half of them are in the first 100, the other half are in the second 100, so it doesn't end or front load you.
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>>139043767
>thumbnail
>typoing
>someone's

you're causing me physical pain, please stop
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Guys... Windows language support is so nice on Windows 8+ compared to 7, but I don't wanna switch.

どうしよう?  ;_;
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>>139043703
Don't tell me that you scammed your mom into paying for your little college adventure.
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>>139041615
I'm that guy with the hat avatar. Thanks for incorporating so many of my phrasing suggestions.
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>>139043883
Someone's education is correct isn't it?
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>>139043883

>someone's

Is this only allowed in colloquial English and frowned upon by grammarians or something?
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I've downloaded a few anki decks for vocabulary, but all they give me is the word in kanji, the hiragana, and the various definitions the word can have. But is there any anki decks with an added kanji meaning section?

For example:
辞典
じてん
dictionary
辞 : resign, word, term, expression
典 : code, ceremony, law, rule
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>>139041615
ありがとう
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>>139043988
Probably, but why not just look them up yourself?
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>>139043647
Assuming this isn't just a dumb shitpost because you're bored and don't want to get any learning done, why not just read something that doesn't have furigana? You're still getting grammar practice and still need to guess what the words and overall sentence means.
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>>139043936
Nah, the guy's an ESL tryhard.
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>>139043887
>どうしよう?
Join the church of stallman.
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>jamal is shitting up the thread again

IGNORE
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>>139043887
I'm on 8.1 and it's really annoying having to manually go through the updates to see which ones are for forcing W10 on you and which ones are legitimate updates.
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>>139043988
Kanji "meaning" isn't always a clean list, even your example shows that. Even if it was, why would you study that instead of the words themselves?

Try to think of their "meaning" being more like a fuzzy cloud of related ideas based on which words use said kanji instead.
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>>139043892
Thanks a lot for all your great suggestions.
I was hoping I'd get a chance to thank you personally, but I couldn't find any way to contact you, hence I'm quite glad for this post of yours.

>>139043764
Thank you for considering my words.

>>139044035
努めさせて頂きました
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>>139042609
We have the deck in the CoR, I was specifically asking about the method itself, whether you need money or not.

>>139042677
I'm more or less above the level WK teaches, sorry if you assumed I needed help or something.

>>139043255
>>139043500
That's fair, and I agree with most of your points, notably regarding internet. Cheers.
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>>139029830
They already tried that but since they have way too many homonyms this doesn't work. Because japanese has the fewest sounds, kanji become necessary.
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>>139044266
>We have the deck in the CoR, I was specifically asking about the method itself, whether you need money or not.
In that case, I think there's exactly one benefit of WK: It "teaches" you material a day before adding it to the SRS system. But my problem is it doesn't really teach it. It just sugarcoats SRS itself. In my personal tests on myself, looking at something outside of the flashcard format and then putting it into the flashcard format the same day is no help. There needs to be a one day delay.
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>>139044266
>I was specifically asking about the method itself
It's rock solid if you have the patience.
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>>139044051
When I have to review 100 words each day, it gets annoying to keep switching between anki and jisho.

>>139044123
Studying the kanji meaning is pretty important I'd say. There have been cases where I already knew the meaning of a word, even though I saw it for the first time.

For example:
I learned, 宝 which means treasure, and 石 which means stone.

Put them together and you get 宝石 which is precious stone or jewel. (treasure + stone = jewel). There is seldom times when the combined kanji has different meanings than the word they make up.
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>>139044353
>>In that case, I think there's exactly one benefit of WK: It "teaches" you material a day before adding it to the SRS system.
Sorry, I forgot to articulate on this. When it teaches you things, it shows them to you, then IMMEDIATELY puts them into a "learning" SRS phase, much like anki has.
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>>139044358
It's probably not preferable to you but you could just do a jouyou kanji deck as well as your vocab deck
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I took the JCAT the other day and did okay, but not as well as I expected. Only now I can't stop thinking about the test. I end up thinking "I should have done better" or "you better work harder," and things like that. I feel like I've become preoccupied with the test result and it's even making reading unenjoyable, because I feel like I have to get it perfect or I wont get a good "score." Does anyone else struggle with this sort of thing? I honestly wish I hadn't taken it.
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>>139044639
Bob will never learn Japanese.
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>>139044612
I used to care about, like, measurable Japanese proficiency, but that went away when I realized everything I read in Japanese is its own test in a way. Now I'm not worried. X score on Jcat? Doesn't matter. Successfully read X and failed to read Y? Now that matters.
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>>139044612
Taking a real test on anything you enjoy always fucks it up.
I used to like physics as a kid, I'd even read textbooks. So I've been going to school for that for the last few years and I hate it now, had to study for GRE and crap, and now qualifier exams. I just want to drop out so I can go back to when I actually enjoyed it.
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>>139044639
>>139044732
>tfw my name is Robert
I go by Rob, though. That means I can learn Japanese, r-right?
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>>139044612
Uhm no, I was happy about the things I managed to do and for the rest well there was no reason to get depressed over it, all the opposite.

Think of it that way, now you know what you need to improve, just gotta work towards it. In art we that's also what we say ti "I'm bad at this / I can't do this", "well then learn and practice it". Don't be a baby, it's just a fucking online test, I'd understand if you had paid for N1 and flushed it but it's just J-CAT.
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>>139044358
It can help yeah. That's sort of the benefit of RTK, perhaps look into that?

You can do the same thing just by learning the words though, without getting hung up on individual meanings.

See above, some anons discussed RTK earlier I think?
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Why does it seem like Japanese sometimes becomes nonsensical and you can figure out the grammar and look up the vocab, but what you think that they're saying just sounds like nonsense?
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>>139045187
You're inexperienced.
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>remember words
>can't remember the kanji

Maybe I should just give up on reading altogether
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>>139045187
Because you need to read more
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>>139045187
It's almost like different cultures have different ways of viewing/describing the world or something...
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Going on a trip for a few days might not have wifi any good ways to get better at jap?
I've been thinking of playing danganronpa on my psp, and doing anki reps on my phone.
Any good psp/gba/snes game in jap to play?

Also is it alright to play games without a dictionary to look up words? Is it recommended?
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>>139045241
>remember Kanji
>can't remember how it's pronounced

We all have our own problems.
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>>139045241
Learning Japanese is like climbing a very long staircase. If you try to do too much at the beginning, you won't have much energy and will be hurting later on trying to climb the very same number of steps the next day. It's not about how fast you can climb to a certain numbered step in the beginning, it's about being willing to climb a minimum number of steps everyday. Once you have turned it into a habit, climbing that minimum amount of steps becomes so much easier. Language learning is about being consistent in the end.

The Japanese have a saying: 七転び八起き 「ななころびやおき」 "Fall down 7 times, get up 8"

Don't be afraid to make mistakes! The worst you'll do is fall over, but you can always pick yourself back up. Beginners often start learning the language full of fire and determination, but quickly fizzle out due to fear of making mistakes. Look forward to making mistakes and learning from them instead. Even if climbing just a few steps feels painful, difficult, slow going and unsatisfying in the beginning, if you always stick it out, every day it becomes easier, and you definitely will achieve your goals!
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>>139045241
I know that feel, I constantly find myself getting the onyomi of kanji wrong even if I've seen them literally thousands of times, it's pretty worrying
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what offline dictionary for android is the best/do you use?
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>>139045296
Final Fantasy 4 on psp is great.
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>>139045342
aedict
yes it is worth it
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What are some of the popular sports in Japan?
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>>139045379
大相撲
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Are sports actually such a huge thing in Japan like my animu would have me believe? I grew up in the UK, and sure, we have sports here, but there's not really any after school clubs and national tournaments or anything. Did I miss out?
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>>139028297
Anyone else use this grammar guide?
http://www.geocities.jp/niwasaburoo/maegaki.html
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>>139045379
野球
パチンコ
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>>139045328
>七転び八起き 「ななころびやおき」
I always have trouble with the 八 reading. Like, 八百八狸 is pronounced はっぴゃくやだぬき, so the first 八 is はっ and the second is や.
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Are there any good decks that include sentences filled with colloquial speech along with a translation? Something that would help someone get used to casual speech patterns.
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Do you monolingual people ever think about how you are literally never going to be able to translate anything no matter how simple it is? Because that is what happened with me and English and German, learning both languages completely independent from each other in a natural environment, I have literally no connections between them, and I can't translate even the simplest stuff (or rather, it'll take me forever)
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>>139045444
>I grew up in the UK, and sure, we have sports here, but there's not really any after school clubs and national tournaments or anything.

Yes there is, what are you talking about. Not many people do afterschool club things but we had a football team and I think a rugby team at my school that played against other schools and won trophies and shit.
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>>139045187
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I've become slightly jaded about Japanese after spending time with real Japanese girls. Feels bad.
/blog.
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>>139045444
I'm in the UK and I know plenty of people that were in school football teams and shit, I'd imagine it's not as widespread as in Japan just because we don't have the whole club culture like they do
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Does anyone here study languages other than Japanese?
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>>139045638
>Real Japanese girls
>Real

There's your problem
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>>139045296
Tons of VNs were ported to PSP, if you can already read them without a text-hooker. A bunch of JRPGs too, if you like the genre: Final Fantasy, Eiyuu Densetsu, SMT/Persona, etc.
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>>139028297
Are there some good resources for German->Japanese?

as you can guess english isnt my native language and sometimes its a bit more complicated learning a foreign language with another foreign one
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>>139045543
The example sentences in Core2k/6k seem casual and realistic enough and they are usually emotive.
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>>139045379
Shmups
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Does anyone listen music while you do your reps? If so is it in your native language or 日本語?
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>>139045802
Listening to music just distracts me
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>>139045802
Do NOT listen to music with lyrics of a language you understand to some level when studying. Your brain shifts some degree of focus to it and it's legitimately harmful to studying.
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>fluent in English, French and Dutch
My part of the world may be going through shit at the moment but at least there is that.
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Can anyone please explain this graph to me? I'm really bad with graphs.
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Man I fucking hate it when words are written with kana instead of kanji, I always go full retard and fail to recognize the most simple words just because they're written in kana
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>>139045802
I usually listen to Bach or ambient like Stars of the Lid, works quite well.
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>>139045896
Number on bottom - the day (5d = the day 5 days from now)
Height of bar equates to LEFT number. on 5d the bar is at 100, so you have 100 reviews on that day.
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>>139045929
This happens to me like every day it's a fucking piss take

More listening practice fixes it but that's just too much effort
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>>139028297
How long till the Guide is finally updated?
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きょうもがんばれる

がんばれるおにいちゃん
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Anyone ever encounter words whose reading you can't determine even by googling? What do you do when it happens?
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>>139046032
How about you stop this shit or just go away?
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>>139045802
I recently started watching ドラマ on the side while doing reps. It slows my reps down a decent amount, but I get solid listening practice in so I don't really mind. It's hard finding something that's good enough that I'm at least somewhat interested in, but not good enough that I mind ruining by not paying attention or missing stuff, and has a batch on nyaa that is seeded. New to this stuff.

Anyone have recommendations for mediocre ドラマ that has seeded batches on nyaa? Something relatively simple-ish from a language perspective and not good enough that I'll mind ruining.
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>>139046067
How about you stop this shit or just go away?
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About to tackle reps, what should I listen to (no vocals pls).
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>>139045986
Scroll up.
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>>139046067
His images are ALWAYS imouto.png/jpg. You can filter him. If you don't want to, then you're merely imposing.
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>>139044358
>When I have to review 100 words each day, it gets annoying to keep switching between anki and jisho.

You can make it easier by adding this to the card back layout (Core)

<span style="position:fixed; bottom:6px;right:8px;font-size:10px"><a href="http://jisho.org/search/{{Vocabulary-Kanji}}">Jisho</a></span>

It adds a link to the Jisho page in the bottom right.
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is there a way to use wadoku with rikai?
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>>139046153
I will still know he is here, that doesn't help much. And it doesn't get rid of the problem.
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>http://hukumusume.com/douwa/pc/aesop/01/04.htm
This is both so soothing and arousing.
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He's currently pulling posts from this thread.

http://4chandata.org/a/-DJT--Daily-Japanese-Thread-951-a767695
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>>139028297
Why are words like 新聞 written with an "m" instead of "n"?
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>>139046205
If you do a recursive filter and don't show stubs you won't know he's here unless you're actually trying.

What you personally consider to be a problem is not the concern of anyone else. Don't impose.
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>>139028297
What compelling content are you engaging in currently?
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>>139046278
They're pronounced that way. Moraic "n" changes sound depending on context. In fact, it's usually "ng", not "n".
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>>139046032
がんばれるかもしらないけど
がんばりたくない
ねむたい
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>>139033957
Hah, I got the same thing yesterday.
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>tfw you finally started learning
I CAN LEARN JAPANESE
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>>139046224
Now here:
http://4chandata.org/a/Daily-Japanese-Thread-DJT-1232-a824580
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Someone wanna go on IRC and explain to the mods what's going on? I imagine they can see he has the same IP.
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Realistically, how much will knowing some Chinese help out with Japanese? Interested in picking up Japanese as something to pass the time for the next year or two.
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>>139046287
I'm not the only one who considers him to be a problem. People like him shouldn't be tolerated here. He can go to r/learnjapanese if he likes using a name so much, I'm pretty sure he will be praised there for his help too.
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>>139046343
Anki
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>>139046509
He's pretty much the exception, just like DJT is an exception on /a/.
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>>139046509
Your personality is so obnoxious that you might as well be using an avatar.
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がんばろう

おにいちゃん
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>>139046468
you will have an easier time with kanji and some vocab
might as well ask, do you know any good resources for learning chinese?
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Can someone help me with this sentence?

何よりもスタイルもぱっぐんだしな

I can't tell whether it's a ぱ or a ば either, but I can't seem to find out what either one would mean, does anyone know?
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おみそしる
おみおつけ
http://kanjibunka.com/kanji-faq/old-faq/q0439/

ミソスープでも通じるけどなんか変
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Report this post so the mods see it. The mods see his posts out of context and can't tell they're spam.

We reported this user's posts last thread and we got warned for abusing the reporting system: >>139033957 >>139046390 >>139040478

These flooding posts are being copied from the following archive:
>>139046398
>>139046343
http://4chandata.org/a/Daily-Japanese-Thread-DJT-1232-a824580

These flooding posts are being copied from the following archive:
>>139046170
>>139046118
>>139045929
>>139045802
>>139045752
http://4chandata.org/a/-DJT--Daily-Japanese-Thread-951-a767695

This is an extremely small subset of the flooding this user has made. He made a lot of flooding posts last thread, probably making up 50% of the posts made. Please do something about this spammer.
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けんこうだいいち
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>>139046564
Why do you like to make exceptions for people you worship?
>>139046579
I think I might start doing that, doesn't seem like it's discouraged or anything.
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>>139046750
Yes, please use an avatar with a consistent filename so that I can filter you.
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>>139046727
Ignore it if you don't like it.
That's how you deflect every criticism aimed at this general, so stop being a hypocrite.
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Reading よつばと, a character used the word 「うす」. I can tell from the context that its a greeting, and probably pretty casual. Where does this word come from? Kansai? Is it some sort of recent slang, or some particular dialect? Maybe a contraction of something?
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>>139046797
"Flooding" is not "criticism", flooding is flooding. If you have actual criticism then you can bring it up with the mods yourself. There's this magical place called IRC where you can personally message individual moderators at your own choice of who to message.
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>>139046032
Fuck off
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>>139046879
If you have actual criticism then you can bring it up with the mods yourself. There's this magical place called IRC where you can personally message individual moderators at your own choice of who to message.
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>>139046797
Now he's copying shit from koohii
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?mode=linear&tid=3249&pid=55989
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>>139046727
You should've taken some of the more obnoxious posts he made, like the 3 (?) line long post about Demon's Souls where the original poster replied
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>>139046924
Why would I bother them about some random guy? Clearly not as much of a problem as you're making DJT out to be. Unlike you I respect peoples' time.
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Jisho gives definitions of しばらく referring to a range of time. However, these definitions range from "instant" to " a short while" to "quite a while".

How the fuck am I supposed to get which is what?
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>>139046931
>>139046862
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>>139040396
Forget it? No, that's impossible because your native language is literally how your brain first learned to communicate with others.

Almost replace it? Yeah it can be done if you get too immersed in another language.
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今日も馬鹿なことをやっているのかい 自閉症王
とっとと失せろ
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>>139046931
Pah holy shit what a freak
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>>139046989
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?mode=linear&tid=3249&pid=55989
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In a short clip of Yotsuba parodying Azumanga Daioh, a girl is shown working out, then two guys give her scores.
One of the guys gives a score of 65 points with the sign saying:

貧乳好きなんで
"I like flat-chested" or "Even though I like flat-chested"?

I'm can't figure out what it means or what it has to do with the score, specifically why the "なんで" comes at the end?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg6KdTiPJ64
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ありがとうございます dat5h-さん

I'm not sure what this line means:

死ぬほど遊んだ人だけがたどりつける至福のひと時超乗り過ごしそう(笑)。

"Only people who play until they're dead tired and arrive at supreme bliss could miss their train stop (Laugh)." ?

It is a caption to a picture of a group of friends sleeping on the train headed home after playing all day at the beach.
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>>139047075
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-60412.html#pid60412
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How do you know who's a mod on IRC?
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>>139046998
I forgot a language I spoke when I was 1-10 years old. It happened when I moved to another country though and the national languages aren't related.
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I really need help with this verb tense:

薙がれとにち

"とにち” ?
Rikai labels it as "passive" "masu" but what would it translate to? It's not like "past potential" or "imperative" where it's easy to comprehend.
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>>139047176
People with symbols next to their name in #4chan on irc.rizon.net are connected to the mods.
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>>139047135
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-60415.html#pid60415

>>139047206
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-60536.html#pid60536
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Could someone please tell me what わき役 means? waki eki?
Here is a link to the phrase in use highlighted by Google cache:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:5Thw...lr=lang_ja
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>>139047176
>>139047215
God speed
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>>139047176
>>139047215
For example, these are connected to the mods:
[Users #4chan]
[&Yotsubot ]
[@ALTERNATIVE ]
[%I_AM_ABIB ]
[%Jion ]
[%yournamehere ]

These are not:
[ hotbobby ]
[ html ]
[ Iorek ]
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>>139047246
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-60764.html#pid60764
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>>139046032
Such a helpful post, I see why people defend you. Keep up the good work. I think we can make an exception.
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I am reading ヒカルの碁 and it's often the little things that bother me, the ones you can't look up in a dictionary: "進藤は手合いを2~3見たが..." How do you read the "2 or 3" times?
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先公 sen kou - Why is this term considered insulting towards teachers? Doesn't it mean "public official", with the term itself originating from the Meiji days or thereabouts?

医者 isha - doctor, RikaiChan says this term is "sens" or has sensitivity connected to it, but doesn't elaborate further. Should there be any caution in calling a medical doctor isha-san? I know that Dr. Katou would be Katou-sensei, but where does the term 医者 come in?

Does 全面駐停車禁止 mean "No Parking Anywhere (in this area)" ?

Would you use the term 返却 when telling of a loan that a friend needs to pay back to you?

I've read that 申 can refer to "3 to 5 PM" in addition to "monkey". Are these terms commonly used when talking about time? How would an example sentence with one of these terms read?

And would a car accident news program use 激突 in a report about a traffic accident?
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>>139044117
I have 8 on my laptop. As far as I know, I don't have to do that, but every so often it asks me to upgrade to 8.1. I haven't done so yet.

But yeah, that is how I know that language support is super nice. On Windows 7, it's a toolbar, and it is ugly and fucks with my recycle bin toolbar.
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What does it mean when a sentence ends with と? I've come across this a lot in quotes from older politicians. Here's an example quote from a recent TBS news report:

「速やかな新内閣の内閣総理大臣の指名をやるべきであろうと。そこは野党としても我々は協力すべきであろう」(自民党 細田博之幹事長)

Is it simply と思う with the 思う implied? Or is it just something old Japanese guys do?
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in the phrase:
帰って来たら教えてあげる
is it "when I come back", or "if I come back"?
dictionary says ~たら = if, but the english subtitles say "when" and the example sentences in the dictionary use both, unfortunately, both options fit with the context
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椅子が台所にあった。
Is が natural here for a sentence without a context? doesn't this sound like " what was in the kitchen is the chair" or an answer to "what was in the kitchen?"
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This is so sad. I feel like there has to be something seriously wrong in someones head to wake up and copy+paste questions from old threads and forums just to spam them here.

I mean shitposting with dumb memes is one thing, but this is just an entirely new level of retarded. How can anyone in their right mind justify spending their time this way? Even for one day I'd say there was probably something wrong with them, but for multiple days? There has to be.

Maybe it's a cry for help. Are you in danger? Do you need help?
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What does it mean when you follow the て-form of a verb with another て? For instance: あーもうプロバイダーともめてて、嫌だよ・・・。
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So does his script just copy paste every post with a question mark in it or is there some manual work behind it? I can't imagine the script wouldn't accidentally pick up some off topic meta post.

I know other have joined him here and there
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How does 出来てる work here? Context: she has a milk mustache.
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>>139047559
I agree: how can a group of people spend time shitting out the same memes and arguments 24/7 and freak out like they are being attacked when this routine slightly deviated? Maybe it's a cry for help.
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For fuck's sake mods.
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Quick question, this sentence from Core2000 got me thinking:

この町は人口が増えた。

Isn't it also possible to express this as:

この町の人口が増えた。

Why would you choose one over the other? Is it just to do with emphasis?
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>>139047559
Someone who reached new levels of できない previously thought to be unreachable, they became overrun with the できない

かわいそう
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>>139047305
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-62824.html#pid62824

>>139047364
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-63268.html#pid63268

>>139047419
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-68963.html#pid68963

>>139047474
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-69339.html#pid69339

>>139047529
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-71191.html#pid71191

>>139047573
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-71937.html#pid71937

You get the point. Just google his posts (sometimes the result containing the thread will be omitted). Someone else can keep doing it every 5-10 posts if they want, mostly just doing it to document it for mods to see that these aren't legitimate posts and it's just someone spamming the thread.
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>>139047698
>aren't legitimate posts
You are so autistically stuck in your general hivemind that you cannot see beyond your fringe, anon.
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>>139047642
How can someone feel even remotely affected by a containment board they're not interested in? It's a mystery.

but i have the real answer for you: relatively many japanese learners are dabblers that start and leave again, so while the discussions are old it's new to them
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>>139047698
I think they get the point. It doesn't seem to matter much, though, as he keeps ban evading. The only thing I can see stopping him is the flow of time (unlikely) or a statement by the mods (also unlikely)
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>>139047776
I bet Muslims living in the UK feel the same about the Europeans around them.
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>>139047775
You're deluded if you think flooding the thread with questions whose answers are meaningful to nobody is making "legitimate posts".
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”す りゅぼーびゆ”

Someone keeps putting this phrase at the end of her mails, but she said she can't explain it to me in English. I didn't have any luck with google, or any dictionaries that I tried.
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>>139047775
Uhh I mean I don't think copy/pasted posts are "legitimate", that doesn't have anything to do with generals though.
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>>139047690
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-3249-post-72058.html#pid72058

>>139047642
I don't know what kind of special autism you need to have such a massive hateboner for DJT to the point where you spend literally days worth of time shitting up DJT and complaining about DJT instead of just filtering it and moving on.

>>139047775
Not really. They are random posts taken from old threads and posted here. No one here is asking those questions right now.
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>>139047827
It's funny that you make that analogy because a vast minority of Muslims in the UK actually bother the natives. I guess you're right, good job.
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>どこ行ったんだ.
Is this 行く, 行う or some kind of set phrase?
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>>139047841
Ignore it if you don't like it.
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>>139047608
It's not 出来る as "being able to", it's the milk going out / coming out of whoever mouth.

That's how I understand it anyway.
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>>139047608
"you got a little white stuff right there"
the 出来てる is referring to the "you got"
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>>139047936
I ignore the flooding, but when he defends himself, I will respond.
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Can't make heads or tails of this:

自分は愛されているんだっていう実感を与えてやるのが大切なんです!

I guess I'm confused mostly by the だっていう construct, I'm not sure how to tie the two parts of the sentence together.
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>>139047961
If you have actual criticism then you can bring it up with the mods yourself. There's this magical place called IRC where you can personally message individual moderators at your own choice of who to message.
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>>139047559
lmao that this dudes still going. whats even the point of spending the entire past day doing this

hell stop eventually so he can have at it and keep me slightly entertained today as well
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>>139048024
That doesn't even apply to the post you responded to anon.
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>what should I do today
>should I study Japanese so I can fap to drawings of cute girls
>should I contribute to society and help build a brighter world
>or should I flood a general thread on an anonymous imageboard with archived questions from other threads
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>>139048071
If you have actual criticism then you can bring it up with the mods yourself. There's this magical place called IRC where you can personally message individual moderators at your own choice of who to message. Shitting up these threads with meta garbage isn't helping your case.
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>>139047559
It's most likely that guy from qa spamming threads about how DJT hurts his ego and want it deleted.
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>>139048134
I didn't shift the thread to meta garbage, I responded to meta garbage. Huge difference.
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>>139048193

Anon, stop responding.
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>>139048024
>>139048071
>>139048134

Holy shit I get it. It's a group of Japanese nationalists who hate the white pigu and want to stop us learning in any way they can. It all makes sense now.
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>>139048193
The only meta garbage in this thread are the posts complaining about on topic questions in regards to the thread topic.
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>>139048134
Shitting up the thread with archived questions from random threads that no one here is actually asking isn't helping your case.
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>>139047827
>implying the right wing rednecks arent more annoying than your average immigrant

>tfw wont get an on-topic reply because he ignores posts that show he's objectively wrong
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>>139048249
Something does not have to be off-topic to be against the rules and annoying, anon.
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>>139028297
Is this bullshit?
Beginner - < 15k vocab
Intermediate - 15k - 30k vocab
Advanced - 30k+ vocab
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>>139048270
>he ignores posts that show he's objectively wrong
I noticed he has a tendency to do that. He did that a ton in the /qa/ thread and has done it a lot in the DJT threads too.
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On average, many English words college-level individuals know? Apparently Japanese have a higher base vocabulary for their language due to the structure of it, but English is supposed to have the most words out of any living language. Wouldn't that make learning English extremely difficult for ESLs?
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>>139048249
Unless someone just so happens to wonder the same thing no one profits from seeing them answered, they unnecessarily bump the thread. Let people ask their questions themselves, this whole flooding garbage is just making genuine questions get looked over.
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>>139028297
Does this just keep food hot all day? If comes out instantly, wouldn't food being kept warm all day go bad? Reference: http://jihanki.michikusa.jp/kanto/araiya/
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>>139047827
You're the Muslim here, though.
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What are you reading, DJT?
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あのんくんたちって

さくらには

あんまり

きょうみがないみたい

ちょっといがい
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>>139048508
Considering that /a/ is /a/ - anime and manga and not /a/ - Japanese language learning and visual novels, no, I am not.
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>>139048541
Your post
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>>139048541
Tae Kim

u-verbs are stupidly complex for no reason that I can see yet
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>>139048608
This is a manga thread though.
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>>139048649
No even the mods buy into that, which is why the sperging out by the generalfags is being ignored.
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>>139048643
>u-verbs are stupidly complex for no reason that I can see yet
Sound changes.
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うとうとしてきた

ねむるまでてをつないでて

おにいちゃん
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>>139048608
>anime and manage board has a general dedicated to anime and manga's native language
Why is the world so unreasonable?
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あげ

あぶらあげ

あぶらあげは英語で、なんといえば伝わるの?
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>>139048751
>>139048559
He's spamming these imouto posts too kek
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/137286263/#137312467
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/137323821/#137331458
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にほんじんのさんだいせいぎ

しあわせ
しごと
しろめし
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>>139048839
LMAO

This is a fucking spectacle for sure
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>copying imouto's posts
Kill yourself spammer
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>>139048874
Kid's a whole new level of mad
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ふでばこ

ふでばこって

えいご?
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>>139048863
I should have known that the imouto-obsessed faggot was the general autist too.
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>>139046032
Use a tripcode so you can't be impersonated by >>139048863 >>139048807 >>139048751 >>139048559
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どうしたの

あんぱんかってきたの

いっしょにたべよ

おにいちゃん
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>>139048559
>>139048751
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/137323821/#137331458
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/137286263/#137312467
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/137200528/#137226671
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/137120061/#137138378
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/137062334/#137090754
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/137032768/#137036782
What the fuck man

>>139048929
I figured. The copypasting magically stopped when anti-imouto arguments were happening.

>>139046032
Yeah start using a tripcode it'll be funny and it won't make the images as necessary to see your posts.
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まめをちゅうにこたべました
おいしかたです
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カルピス飲む?おにいちゃん
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>>139048265
its not shitting up the thread because it is the entire thread

hes basically satoshi in this pic
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