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>That old hag is annoying. That old hag has no use anymore

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>That old hag is annoying. That old hag has no use anymore
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>>138995594
shut up Rei, do you want to be strangled again?
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>>138995614
kek
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she deserved it
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I liked this hair design best.
And right at the beginning of the scene when her eyes are glowing I orgasmed
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evagarbageon
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>>138995594
dumb toilet
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>>138998863
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>>138998863
This

>>138998998
Rei looks like a toilet seat
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>>138995594
Time to flush down that old hag, eh,Rey?
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She's just repeating what Gendo says.
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>>138999243
I don't think Ritsuko can fit through a toilet system
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>>138999342
do you think Gendo fucked loli Rei?
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>>138999395
mos def
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>>138995594
Seriously why does Rei have such a big fanbase?

Asuka and Misato were much more interactive and interesting characters with better development.

Why people choose a PUPPET as their waifu????
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>>138997433
true dat
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>>138999474
Toilet furries and overall shit taste
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>>138999504
go back to naruto and DBZ
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>>138999552
>le DBZ is bad meme
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>>138999552
>muh humanity
>muh adam
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>>138999474
Baitfriend go home.

Asuka is provably one of the most useless and arguably one of the most counterproductive protagonists of the last 30 years.

She never does anything for herself and constantly drags Shinji, Rei, and Misato down.

If you are an Asukafag you're either waifuing the Asuka from that ebin fanfic doujin all Asukafriends take as canon or are just in it for that tight plugsuit ass.

She's an awful, dishonest, weak character with a toxic personality and a shitty demeanor.

If you like her, it's purely for her looks and character design.

At least Rei would die for you. Asuka would kill you if it made mommy happy.

I'm not even a Reifag, either.
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>>138999764
>this entire post
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>>138999764
Well said toiletbro, upvoted

Here, have some fantastic Rei development scene
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>>138999764
You sound like a selfish, unsympathetic faggot.
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>>138999764
Kill yourself.
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>>138999948
>>138999764
Im amazed by your doujinshi knowleadge, thanks for the share.

I think you're missing the point that they're fucking 14 years old getting braindamage from driving big ass robots to kill weird shit. Asuka had a realistic personality unlike Rei, this on top of the small chardev she had made her super uninteresting for me.

Its no lie Asuka was toxic for the rest of the protagonists but she was still super interesting and with love and growth to adulthood she could be a great lover herself.
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>>139000052
Seconded.
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rei is a milf
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>>139000190
Would you rather fuck a milf in a kid body or a kid in a milf body?
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>>139000333
double trips!!!!
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>>138999764
>I am a spineless crybaby faggot with no appreciation for complex and realistic characters oh and I'm totally not a Reifag btw XD: the post
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>>139000190
*toilet
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>>138999764
Nice fucking meme.
Meanwhile Rei would KILL HERSELF if ANOTHER MAN told her to do it.
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Which one, /a/?
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>>139001122
Asuka Langley ezpz
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>>139001122
none
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>>139001122
Again, Asuka, my waifu. You just made that thread yesterday.
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>>138999764
>all the asukafag salt

BTFO
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>>139001122
Asuka's my waifu, Rei's great too. Mari can die in a ditch.
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>>138995594
I wish we could have had this shit-talking Rei instead
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>>139001741
She was more of a recorder than a shittalker.
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>>138999764
>not liking tsundere, human Asuka
>prefer a cloned real-doll created for Gendo's pedo wife fantasies

Fucking Reifags, I swear.
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>>139001122
>Mari
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>Asuka has a real personality!!
If the story is Rei having 'no personality' and developing one, it is also Asuka's fake personality being destroyed. I don't know what it is with fans being attached to this idea of Asuka despite her degeneration onscreen. Her 'personality' is like glass --it shines brightly and is easily broken.

I don't like Asuka. I also don't hate her, or think she's ugly/not sexable, or a bad character, or unworthy of love or pity. I just don't get what the fans saying shit like above see.
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>>139001667
samefag toiletfag
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>>139002413
This post is wrong
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>>138999764
>Years of shit flinging and Asukafags still get salty over things like this
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>>139002413
literally this. Its not like Asuka even has any fucking accomplishments to back her up or anything.
Her biggest accomplishment was delaying a bunch of superior EVA's who were just fucking with her.
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>>139002573
How?
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>>139001741
She'd still be a rusty, ugly toilet
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>>139002599
Implying that Rei has a personality and Asuka doesn't
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>>139002596
What about having a college degree as a 14 years old and being fluent in at least English, German and Japanese?
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toiletfag damage control ITT
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>>139002686
It's blatant as fuck.
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>>139002684
The college degree thing is more of an informed trait. Thermal expansion is the only science she ever goes into, and I'm presuming the degree was to do with physics.

Fluent in English(?), German and Japanese...Sure, I do see your point. But the fact is, she's a terribad pilot and has no feats.

I may be a heretic for saying this but I liked her more in the Rebuilds, even if the last one was pretty meh. If she had that personality and feats to back it up in the original series, I'd sympathise with Asukafriends more.
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>M-MUH ACCOMPLISHMENTS

Since when is this a criteria for being a good character? A character can have the Guinness world records for literally everything and that wouldn't stop him/her for being bland, one-dimensional shit.

Are toiletfags really this desperate?
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>>139002686
you got unbanned already or were your posts yesterday only deleted?
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>>139002850
Nobody gives a shit about a character's accomplishments, toiletfag. Stop damage controlling.
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>>139002413
I have a feeling that her fans mostly fell in love with her being a dick to Shinjji. They stop paying attention when this persona is shown to be false
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>>139002962
what are you talking about
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>>139002573
Explain.
>>139002645
Read again.
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>>139003125
Why are you so insistent on reminding everyone of Asuka's degeneration? There must be a motive.
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So are the rebuilds worth to watch?
Are there new story details or just a remake (with worse chardev from what i hear)?
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>>139003067
I think it's their romantic/sexual feelings for her. It's not something you can miss. Anno went hard on her.
>>139003214
Why does it bother you? Does it make your uncomfortable or something?
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>>139001122
Asuka.
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>>139003345
Nice question dodge.

>Why does it bother you?
I'm just curious.
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Y'ar all faggots, Misato is best grill.
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>>139003005
Hold on there buddy, I wasn't saying I liked Rei. Rei is bland beyond belief.

It's nice to see that you like Asuka entirely because of her design, though. It shows a real dichotomy of dedication and depravity.
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>>139003504
>Nice question dodge.
I'm curious as to why being reminded bothers you. I already made myself clear in the post.
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I loved this show but there is something that bothers me.
Why couldnt they come up with a name for this char instead of calling her "Class Rep." the whole series? Like wtf, you can invent a name in 5 seconds and it made her character feel less important when compared to the other classmates just because she didnt have a name.
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>>139001122
>>139001714
Don't talk shit about my stinking rose!
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>>139003838
Her name was Hikari...Still a pretty shit name, sounds real similar to Ikari.
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>>139002684
But she can't speak German. That crap she spouted was utter nonsense.
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>>139003953
really? i dont speak german myself and when i watched subs didnt show up on german scenes. Do you have some proof to back up your claims?
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>>139001122
All Eva girls deserve to be loved.
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>>139004060
I am German. The accent is extremely heavy, it could almost be Dutch
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>>139004126
Meh, just because the accent is off doesnt mean she can't speak English. FFS its her native language and on her debut episode she was using her EVA on german mode or something like that.

From what i read on the english dub they did a better job at giving her more german lines and improved her accent.
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>>139002413
Because she's a really well presented and realistic character who perfectly fits NGE and improves it.

I like Asuka because she's such a great character.
In my opinion a better character than Rei.

She's a terrible person but I feel sympathy for her because of how tragic her life actually is.

>>139002850
>The college degree thing is more of an informed trait. Thermal expansion is the only science she ever goes into, and I'm presuming the degree was to do with physics.

Excuses.

>she's a terribad pilot and has no feats.

This kind of argument is so fucking retarded.
Being an Eva pilot has nothing to do with skill and the fact that Asuka sucks so much proves it (she was trained and still sucks).
The pilots follow NERVs command, so how it's not like piloting is an independent effort.

Rei blows herself up or plays a supporting role.
Shinji is only useful because Unit 01 goes berserk all the time.
Asuka gets fucked up because the plot demands it.

>implying Shikanami has a personality

>>139002953
This.
The toilet meme has to stop though.

>>139003838
Asuka calls her by her name all the time.

>>139003953
>>139004126
That's true but Asuka speaks German, her seiyuu doesn't.
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>>139004300
german*
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>I'm so fucked up.
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>>139004310
>Because she's a really well presented and realistic character who perfectly fits NGE and improves it...
I don't mind that. I'm getting at fans downplaying how much of a wreck she was.

She's believable but extremely neurotic. That shouldn't be whitewashed.
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>>139004645
This. Pics that show Asuka and Rei getting along and being happy together are strange because they never act like it. Still, it's nice to see.
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shinji was actualy the superior husbando
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>>139004866
>husbando
>not waifu
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>>139004866
>highest sync ratio
Wasn't Kaworu able to do it better?
>>139004866
>No one forces his decisions
Except that's literally what happened when he almost killed Touji and was choked out by Gendo from LCL pressure.
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>>139004645
To be fair she isn't one the whole time.
She has moments where she's quite nice, or at least not extremely mean.
And she's amazing in EoE.

>>139004786
Reminder that Asuka tried to be Reis friend when they first met.
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>>139004965
no, Shinji had over 400% sync ratio on episode 19.
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>ctrl-f toilet
>14 results

Moot should have nuked this fucking board a long time ago.
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Btw was this scene supposed to happen only inside Shinji mind? In reality he only choked her a lil after canceling the Primordial Life Soup right?
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Both characters arent very good, but they kinda overcame their faults in EoE. Im not surprised that asukafags started shittalking not even ten posts after OP's post though.
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How can people even have Rei as their favourite character when theres like a million Rei's?

You can only have one favourite, i guess toiletfags pick Rei II as their favourite (since she was the one that appeared in epi 1 and had most screen time), but Rei II was so bland its not even funny.
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>>138999764
>>138999764
>She's an awful, dishonest, weak character with a toxic personality and a shitty demeanor.
This is why anime and manga will never have quality storytelling. Fags like you only appreciate characters for their moe factor and how likely they would be to kiss your fat, pasty, acne-ridden ass. You treat anime series solely as repositories for potential waifus to fap to.
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>>139005345
>a million Rei's
That just means more love to go around.

In all seriousness though, I love all the Eva cast in some way and they all should be loved and happy.
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Eva threads have reached a low.
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>>138995594
Why would she say that?
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>>139005138
Kaworu could reach higher than that if he wanted
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>>139005537
It was Rei 1 who said that, not Rei 2 (the one we see from episode 1 to 23).

Rei 1 had an even more bland personality and she was just repeating Gendo Ikari words without any perception of what is nice or mean.
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>>139005232
Yes.
The kitchen scene shows what it would be like if they were honest with each other at the end of the series.

>>139005236
>implying it's not just one autist

>>139005468
>I love all the Eva cast in some way and they all should be loved and happy.

Even Mari?

>>139005481
I blame the toiletman.

>>139005537
This.
Did nobody raise her properly?
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>>139005701
>Even Mari?
Yes.
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>>139005771
who the fuck is mari? o.O
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>>139005820
>>139005820
The one that won best girl.
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>>139005820
>o.O
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>>139005939
I didnt watch the rebuilds (are they worth?).

Mari looks like a slut that will be hard for me to accept as part of this awesome series.
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>>139005939
>Mari sleeping with Shikinami
>Mari trying to find her glasses
>Shikinami wakes up
>Takes her glasses teasingly
>Kisses her
>Goes back to sleep
Being Mari is bliss
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>>139006039
She may be a sloot, but she's tough as nails and nice outside of a fight.
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>>138998863
>>138999194
>>138999533
>>139000435
>>139002489
>>139002601
>>139002686
>>139002767
>>139003005
>>139005345

That ''meme'' needs to stop.

Also, Asuka is pic related.
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>>139006041
Fuck that's cute
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>>139006379
U a cute.

Have a Mari.
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What's your interpretation behind Rei "a women that never bleeds" quote?

I immediately linked it to menstruation since Shinji had related her to motherhood before.

Later in the series we see Asuka angsty because of her period and that rambling about why does she have to feel that pain when she doesnt even want kids.

In conclusion i think that there is a dualism here: Rei wants to be a mother but can't. Asuka doesnt wan't to but she still has to suffer like one.

And finally i think Gendo made Rei sterile so that he could literally have sex with her (as a replacement for Yui) without any problems.
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>>139006041
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>>139006584
It's definitely menstruation, clones don't have functioning reproductive tracts.
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>>139006522
what was this, why did it get deleted so quickly?

>>139006595
Why Asuka doesnt have her left eye in all this pics? Is it a thing in the rebuilds?
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>>139006041
I really like this and I'm not even really a fan of Rebuild in general.
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>>139006228
>Asuka is a panty
That doesn't make sense
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>toilets

i don't see it
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>>139006638
He deleted it because it was too small to read.

And Asuka lost her eye when Shinji ate her in the rebuilds.
>>139006595
>Shikinami:"You idiot."
>Mari:"Don't try the angry girl routine on me. Just be yourself."
>Shikinami:"You're making me feel funny. It's embarassing."
>Mari:"Funny how? Like a clown, like I amuse you? Funny how?"
>Shikinami:just, you know? Funny..."
>Mari:"I'm just fucking with you."
>Kisses
>>139006741
It's really cute.
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>>139006831
See>>138999533
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>>138999764
This is literally all correct, and all Asukafags can do is scream and cry in response. Fucking hilarious.
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>>139007068
I could elaborate a reply but since you ignored the arguement that comes after, i will just drop a pic of Gendo and your waifu.
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Rei>Shikinami>Misato>Mari>Maya>Ritsuko>Sohryu
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>>139006584
>And finally i think Gendo made Rei sterile so that he could literally have sex with her (as a replacement for Yui) without any problems.

He had Ritsuko for that.

>>139006853
>And Asuka lost her eye when Shinji ate her in the rebuilds.

wat
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>>138999474
>Seriously why does Rei have such a big fanbase?

Because Rei is the more interesting character between those you listed. She's actually got better development of them too, and contrary to popular Asuka fan belief, she's not a puppet.

Asuka is the only character you can legit call a puppet in NGE.
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90% of the posters here obviously didn't watch evangelion recently, and only remember the characters as the community describes them or they completely missed all the character development. In case of Rei Ayanami, she is not a emotionless doll, that people make her out to be. In her introduction episode, she shows that she has no social skills whatsoever, but she does show emotions. She is very competent, professional and quite philosophical. She doesn't talk much, but the few things she says have meaning. She wasn't supposed to be human, She is just a fake soul in a fake body. But that did not stop her from developing a personality and individuality trough her interactions with people other than Gendou. She has by far the most interesting character development throughout the show (rivaling Misato and Shinji).

,,No, I am me. I became myself by the instrumentality of the links and relationships between myself and others. I am formed by interaction of others. They create me as I create them. These relationships and interactions serve to shape the patterns of my heart and mind.''

,,Those are bonds?''

,,Yes. That is the name for what I share with those who have created the thing known as rei. That is what will continue to shape me.''
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>>139007068
>it's correct because I say so

I'll be honest, Rei is a shitty character. Her development is pretty lowbrow and uninteresting, and her personality is nil.

She also looks like a toilet seat.
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>>139007365
90% of the posters here and 100% of the posters shitting on Rei don't actually care about who Rei is in the original.

You've got one poster ITT who unironically considers himself a prophet (his words), whose mission is life is to attack Rei. Yes, it's the toilet guy.
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All these scrubs.

Every girl is best girl. No need to fight.
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>>139007358
>MUH REI IS NOT A PUPPET!!!!!!! ASUKA IS THE PUPPET!!!!!!!!!

classic butthurt toiletfag move
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>>138999764
Nails it. Nails it so hard that the Asukafags cant' do anything but cry and spit abuse in return.
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>>139007411
cant say i agree with your post but this pic is pretty dope
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>>139007551
why dont you agree
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>>139007536
Samefag toiletfag at it again
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May I post some arousing toilet pics to ease the toiletfag butthurt ITT?
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>>139007295
But he later ditched Ritsuko. Perhaps because Rei was grown enough for kinky stuff.

This reminds me of the scene where he shoots her after having muted speech, what do you think were his words?
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Serious question:

Does anyone think the toilet-guy had something happen in his life recently that caused him to go all out like this?

Were Asuka fans always crazy like this?
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>>139007479
Soryu isn't a girl
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>>139007365
What people forget about Rei is that for a long part of her life she did live in a dark room in some NERV basement. She doesn't know how the world works.

>She doesn't talk much, but the few things she says have meaning.

No they don't. It just means that she tries to understand the world.

Her character development is quite shallow.

>>139007712
Not sure.
Some people say it was "I love you." to which she responded "You liar", which would be fitting I guess.

>>139007768
Those posts happened to him >>139007786

I believe he just wants to become an epic meme.
We should just ignore and report him.
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>>139007701
Only love for Rei.
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>>139000003
You know what's really selfish and unsympathetic? Giving Rei or even Shinji shit while Asuka is so much worse.
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Only weak, sensitive betas dislike characters like Asuka.

Fact.
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>>139007854
Tell me more about your anger towards a fictional character.
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>>139007929
Tell me about yours, anon. Why exactly do you give non-Asuka characters so much shit?
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>>139007768
No idea, but Rei isn't even between my favourite characters and it's already pissing me off seeing that in every Eva thread.
I don't think all Asukafags are like him. Same with Reifags or whoeverfags. It's just that there has to be stupid people everywhere.
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>>139007846
It's a toilet you want

It's a toilet you'll get
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>all this toiletfag butthurt
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Even if you think Asuka is a bad character just because she was toxic and counterproductive (which makes no sense at all) you gotta admit she was a great addition to the plot.

The first child being the definition of social awkward and the third child afraid of getting to know people made for a lot of annoying scenes.
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>>139008001
Rei is no toilet. She is a nice, good girl.
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>>139007842
>Those posts happened to him >>139007786
I don't think so, since he's been going for much, much longer than those kinds of posts.

>>139007842
>What people forget about Rei is that for a long part of her life she did live in a dark room in some NERV basement. She doesn't know how the world works.

She knows more about how the world works when compared to the other children, but she's not socially adept. This is why Rei can lecture both Shinji and Asuka on the overarching things that matter, but she can't respond well to a social situation.

Understanding is a strong suit of Rei, and it's why Rei is able to pick up on the moods of those around her.

>Her character development is quite shallow.
Best character development right next to Shinji.

Also, concerning the Gendo/Rei sex stuff, go back to doujinland. All entirely unfounded in NGE.
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>>139007960
>non-Asuka characters
So suddenly Rei is the only character other than Asuka?
Because Reifags are insufferable and deserve their comeuppance.
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>>139007862
Too bad characters like Asuka like weak, sensitive betas, unlike yourself :^)
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>>139008059
>Best character development right next to Shinji.
Mah nigga. Shinji was great in terms of character development.
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>unironically saying toxic
Hi tumblr and/or reddit
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>>139008108
Asuka was the best character though
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This show was so good i think im gonna rewatch insta with english audio.
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>>139007995
All Asukafags are strikingly similar to that guy. He just takes it to extremes. He's been banned more times than I can count, yet still keeps coming back.

In all Asukafags you'll find the same sort of internalized denial towards the canon of the anime, concerning who the characters are. Mind you, if everyone was as bad as Asukafags, you'd have 500+post threads every day for the next 20 years about how shit Asuka is, because NGE really does have ammunition to fuel those kind of people forever.
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>>139007995
I wonder why there are more stupid Asukafags than stupid Reifags
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>>139008167
Shinji > Rei > Misato > Asuka

>>139008034
Not to the plot, but to the story perhaps. The problem is that Asuka fans generally deny what sort of character Asuka actually is, because they're shallow waifu-fags. Even those who pretend to be rather high-brow and well-read on the character eventually hit a brick wall where they simply can't accept just how toxic Asuka is.

At that point, being "a great addition to story/plot" means nothing because arguably, other characters like Misato and Rei are far more important and well-made in that regard. So they realize they've been left with nothing and then butthurt commences.
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>>139008208
You must know some beautiful toilets then.
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>>139008076
Then perhaps you should grow some ball hair so that maybe that mean ol' Asuka will never be around you :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
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>>139008074
No, it's the only character you seem to attack.

That you think Reifags need "comeuppance" is only because you feel (and know) you and Asuka are inferior to them.
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>>139005444
Underrated post.

>>139008021
Nice contribution.

>>139008059
How is Shinji not number 1?
What's so great about Reis development?
I really think it's quite simple.
She just warms up over time and becomes more independent.
Just compare that to the other characters emotional roller coaster.

>>139008175
>Generalization: The Post
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You're all playing into Anno-sama's hands.
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>OP has asuka pic
>trannyposting
>OP has rei pic
>toiletposting
If Instrumentality meant sharing a conciousness with you autists, I sure am glad Shinji rejected it.
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>>139008203
They're aren't. There's a stupid, incindiary Reifag right here.
>>139008175
>>139008291
He's just better at hiding behind rhetoric.
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>>139008175
This "all asukafags" thing is pissing me off, you're like those women who say all man are stupid.

Dont forget Asuka wanted to befriend Rei at start, but she couldn't. Since she couldn't do it before getting pride damaged she couldn't keep trying, and ultimately had a breakdown, she hated everyone but mainly herself.

Maybe the reason why i like Asuka so much is that i totally relate to her. (Yes, im also a little toxic sometimes, but not as much as the meme guy.)

Also Asuka had the most badass scene in the entire series (her fight in EoE).
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>Asukafags seriously trying to argue she's the best character
It's like a third world country when they're around.
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>>139008517
Asuka's fight in EoE is just fanservice with no substance, a realistic progression from the series wouldn't have her fighting at all.
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>>139008420
>How is Shinji not number 1?
That's what I meant with "right next to".

>What's so great about Reis development?
Because it's well-founded, believable and well-executed. It doesn't just concern her warming up, it also concerns her taking steps to understand herself, partly due to the experiences she has with other people in her life. It's nicely detailed and has her reach a conclusion by the end of the series. Not just any conclusion, but _the_ conclusion also reflected in Shinji by the end, only Rei came to that conclusion by herself, and realistically!

This sort of strong character arc is something that e.g Asuka simply doesn't have. When you speak of "emotional rollercoaster", you're just talking about how loud Asuka screams. That isn't character development. Despite wailing like a struck pig, Asuka remains static as a character for nearly the entire show, and even the end for that character is poor.
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Reminder that Reifag's are so delusional they actually believe shit like this:
>>139008602
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>>138999764
this, quite honestly.
Rei starts off blank but grows as a character.
Asuka starts a bitch and just gets worse and worse.
Tsundere bitches, not even once.
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>>139008517
They (Asukafags) really are similar despite how it pisses you off. It's group mentality, this super-shitposter is only that, a super-Asukafag taking things to the extreme. No doubt he's been banned once or twice this thread already judging from the deleted posts, but he's still ban evading.
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I needs more cutie Rei's
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>>139008659
Doesn't have to be a Reifag. The eva-fanbase is huge enough for it to not necessarily be one.

Besides he's right, Reifag, Asukafag or Misatofag, doesn't matter. It's been commonly accepted for a long time that they dropped the ball on Asuka in NGE.
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>>139008602
I disagree, that fight HAD to happen because Shinji didnt want to pilot the eva and it showed that Asuka had an epifany about Unit-02 having part of her mother soul.

This epifany is also why Asuka could come back alive at the end of the movie.
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>>139008059
>Best character development right next to Shinji.

Shinji, Rei and Misato have the best character development in the series.

Gendou, Ritsuko, Asuka, Fuyutsuki and to a lesser extent Kaiji, Naoko, Kaworu, Toji and Yui all have really good character development, even if some of their motives are revealed a bit late.

The kids from school, Seele guys, Asuka's mom, Maya, Makoto and Shigeru (Although they are an interesting freudian trio and a human counterpart to the Magi) have the least character development.
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>>139008356
And Rei is not one of them

>>139008291
Asuka > Misato > Shinji >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toilet
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>>139008781
Not that guy, and while he's being rather coarse about it, he is more or less right. While the scene is cool (as is every single scene in EoE IMO), how it's started and justified is really, really poor.

For Asuka's character, it's more that she's treated like a puppet to the plot. The epiphany isn't as much an epiphany as a EVA02 freebie.

While epiphanies are self-created and is borne from your own mind, Asuka's moment here is definitely bestowed upon her by EVA02, and arguably the other main characters. Most notably Misato, who had the sense to care for Asuka and carry her into the EVA.
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>>139008466
>>139008569
>>139008614
>>139008649
>>139008688
>>139008738
>>139008833
Nice toilet collection

>>139008520
Pic related
It's you
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>>139008874
I respectfully disagree.
>>139008883
You beat me to it!
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This argument about Rei vs Asuka is useless. We all know Shinji is best girl, followed by Mana.
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>>139008437
I don't care.
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>>139009006
Sheeeit!
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>>139008821
Pretty much this.
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>>139008833
>>139008883
Aftermath
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>>139008520
>people insult Asuka and say she sucks
>Asukafags defend her and give their views
>hur dur Asukafags are so dumb

>>139008602
Are you that guy who believes that Asuka realizing that her mother is inside of 02 and that it changed her was dumb and unfitting?

>>139008621
In the last post I forgot to mention that I never said anything about Gendo fucking Rei, just wanted to clear that up.

>Because it's well-founded, believable and well-executed.

Just like Asuka is.

>it also concerns her taking steps to understand herself, partly due to the experiences she has with other people in her life.

Like? How does NGE present that?

>Rei came to that conclusion by herself, and realistically!

By herself you mean that it only happened because of Shinji?

>how loud Asuka screams. That isn't character development.

I'm talking about how she tries to be strong and has unrealistic expectations because she's traumatized and struggles meeting those expectations.

>Asuka remains static as a character for nearly the entire show, and even the end for that character is poor.

If you seriously believe that you are fucking dumb.
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>>139008933
I disagree. Though the epiphany that her mother in Eva loves her was granted, the extention that it means that she isn't useless and that people value her just for being her wasn't.
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I've never really had a horse in the whole "Rei VS Asuka" thing.
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>>139009071
samefag
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>>139009051
Misato can't be best girl because she's a woman. It's an entirely different category.
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>>139009051
Im a dense motherfucker, can anyone explain me why the fuck Misato kissed Shinji on EoE and told him when he's back they can continue?

I understand the series got progressively more messed up and the movie was the climax (starting with Shinji fapping to a comatose girl) but Misato... what.... why????
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>>139008992
You can't disagree with facts
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>>139009206
We all know who the better woman for Shinji is.
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>>139009256
She was desperately trying to make him wake the fuck up and actually do something. I don't think Misato actually wanted the D, so much as due to her own issues she thought that sex incentive.
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>>139008883
stop it
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>>139009256
She was motivating him with the promise of sex if he stayed alive to come back to her. she knew she was going to die anyway.
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I think Rei has a very punchable toilet shitface
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>>139009331
Actually, I would be interested to see how the story unfolded differently if Shinji had lived with Ritz instead of Misato.
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>>139008203
All Reifags are either dumb, autistic or both.
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>>139009430
Still makes me smile in a cute way.
>>139009402
You seem angry. It's nothing to get so worked up over.
Perhaps you have some emotional problems you'd like to discuss with us? We can help.
>>139009468
interesting.
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>>139009477
This is actually true.
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>>139009382
Oh! That makes sense.
That reminds me of how much Shinji friends lusted Misato and she knew it :|
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>>139009468
You want Shinji to watch Gendo fucking Ritsuko every night?
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Asuka was a real character. She felt like an emotional teenage girl.

Rei is nothing more than a plot device. A clone, a doll; replaceable. Inhuman. Shameless.
Her clear lack of personality is perfect for man-children to project their own personality over.
The only people who act like Rei are catatonic Schizophrenics.

If you are unable to at least see the appeal of liking Asuka over Rei based on their personalities alone, then you likely are unable to associate with actual human beings that have an ego.
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>>139009561
They were young kids and she was just humoring them.
She loved Kaji.
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When I was into hentai I was more likely going to fap to Rei than Asuka.

That is my arguement.
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Reminder that Shinji chose Kaworu over every female in the show.
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>>139009206
>>139009468
>those doujins where Ritsuko has Shinji impregnate her
We could have prevented 3rd Impact.
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>>139009522
I couldn't be calmer, actually
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>>139009569
One thing that i could never understand, there were hundreds of Reis and if they were replaceable, why did Gendo care so much for Rei2 and go as far as burn his hands saving her from the cockpit thing?
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>>139009563
or maybe ritsuko would have been moved by shinji's plight to betray gendo earlier, or some other unforeseeable outcome to change her fate.
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>>139009569
>girl
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>>139009588
>wurst girl
>is the best character
kek
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>>139009749
Rei looks like a toilet seat
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>>139009675
Shinji such a messed up kid... At least he isnt full on gay, he is bi or something.

He did fap to comatose Asuka and wanted to kiss her earlier in the series.
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>>139009675
Reminder that Kaworu chose Shinji over every angel in the show.
Worst parent ever.
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>>139009801
How is he not full on gay if he fapped to and wanted to kiss a man? (Or transvestite for you tumblrtards)
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>>139009569
Nailed it. Prepare for Reifag damage control.
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>>139009697
I'll always been grateful to Saigado for those. Too much pegging though. Could have done without that, entirely.
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>>138999764
Reifag here. You are objectively wrong.

>Asuka is provably one of the most useless and arguably one of the most counterproductive protagonists of the last 30 years.

This is a dumb hyperbole. What makes her character interesting is her goal to be the best, when life literally goes out of its way to keep her from that, and how she copes with that concept of inferiority.

>She never does anything for herself and constantly drags Shinji, Rei, and Misato down.

False. If you remember when the episode when they fought the Angel that could split in half, Misato was going to have Rei and Shinji pair up. But rather than letting herself get tossed aside, she trained harder to better synchronize with him.

Otherwise, provide evidence.

>If you are an Asukafag you're either waifuing the Asuka from that ebin fanfic doujin all Asukafriends take as canon or are just in it for that tight plugsuit ass.

Red Herring. This has nothing to do with Asuka's character. You call out Asukafags for considering it canon yet you bring it into the discussion just for cheap shots.

>She's an awful, dishonest, weak character with a toxic personality and a shitty demeanor

You'll have to explain further

>If you like her, it's purely for her looks and character design.

I like Asuka for more reasons than that. Particularly her struggle to prove her worth, and her struggle with maturity.

>At least Rei would die for you.

If you paid attention to her character in EoE this wouldn't apply. Even talking about the original series, she would probably only die for Gendoh.

Otherwise, provide evidence she would die for you.

>Asuka would kill you if it made mommy happy.

No she wouldn't. While failing to gain the approval of her mother was a critical point in her life, to take that desire to the extent you portrayed is downright silly.

Otherwise, provide evidence she would.

I would like to discuss further if you did more to prove your points.
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>>139009804
He just knows who best girl is, can't blame him for that.
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Reifags have anger issues
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>>139008414
Most Reifags are pretty shitty and you know it

Just look at the trannyposter
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>>139000000
Fuck get unum plum bagged Tbilisi IBMn técnico impugne
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>>139009717
Why stress over dropping a cheeto when there are a hundred more in the bag?
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>>139009888
great post anon

>at least Rei would die for you
Id like to remind you that Asuka didnt mind at all dying in the embryonic angel rescue magma diving thingy, yes she was trying her best to prove her worth, but she would still die for NERV.
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>>139010079
SAVOUR. EVERY. ONE.
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>>138999764
>>139007358
Misato is the better girl and much more interesting than both of these two sluts.
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>>139009717
He was manipulating her. He needed Rei under his control and the best way to do that, was to go all hero and save her. He put so much effort into Rei II and that's why he cared so much about her.
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Rei was an actual character, with potential for growth.She was the obvious heroine of the story, and was Shinji's counterpart.
All Asuka was an exercise in emotional abuse. Anyone who identified or admired her is not well in the head, and their ramblings should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
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>>139009182
>Just like Asuka is.
The last bit of her character remains rather shallow and unfinished, so no.

>Like? How does NGE present that?
On multiple levels, first through interacting with others and drawing surprise -> formulating what to do. Classic example with Shinji is him showing kindness, Rei pondering about what it meant otherwise.

We've got monologues like in ep14, and we get straight to the point in ep 25, where Rei in literal terms explains how a person changes over time and through interaction.

>By herself you mean that it only happened because of Shinji?
By herself I mean that Rei is the one drawing the conclusions, not Shinji for Rei, or through any other external means.

>I'm talking about how she tries to be strong and has unrealistic expectations because she's traumatized and struggles meeting those expectations.
Said trauma and development is entirely undeveloped. Her life is for the most part a blank.

>If you seriously believe that you are fucking dumb.
Not a good argument, anon. I believe it because that's what the anime presents to you. Asuka as a character doesn't go through any notable character development, that is the reason why she fails and Rei does not.
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>>139010132
I just like all Eva girls. The threads we have are usually just meme spouting about toilets and such.

I just want another comfy eva thread where everyone gets along and posts their respective waifu.
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>>139010149
>>139010079
great PoV's, thanks
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>>139009717
>One thing that i could never understand, there were hundreds of Reis and if they were replaceable, why did Gendo care so much for Rei2 and go as far as burn his hands saving her from the cockpit thing?

Because Gendo did actually care, and there never were "hundreds of Rei's". There only ever was one. The clones in the tanks aren't Rei, they are spare parts.
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>>139009256
>>139009349
>>139009382
She tried to have sex with him earlier in episode 23(or was it 22?) aswell, don't say "I don't think she wanted the D", she obviously did, which is messed up.
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>>139007768
Rei seriously looks like a toilet
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>>139009569
While I agree that Asuka feels like a real teenage girl while Rei doesn't, Rei is not an emotionless doll.

>based on their personalities alone

Don't go there. Everyone in Eva horrible and we shouldn't judge a characters quality based on if we like their personality, plebs do that.

>>139009888
Thank you saying what I have a hard time expressing because Krautfag.

>>139009932
These thread are like a warzone because of people like you.

>>139010150
>with potential for growth

Why the fuck does that care.
People repeat that phrase all the time but how does that matter?
Rei is a better character than Asuka because Rei learns and becomes a better person?
Also Asuka gets over her trauma in EoE.
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>>139010195
>Said trauma and development is entirely undeveloped. Her life is for the most part a blank.

Try reading the manga or simply envagelion wikia...
So Rei had a fleshed out background and her past before the show started was developed? kek
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>>139010377
>Try reading the manga
not canon
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>>139010269
What? I dont remember any of this.
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>>139010150
Rei has shallow development and looks like a toilet

She will also never, EVER, fuck Shinji
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>>139010269
Asuka wanting Shinji's dick wasn't based on romance. It was her version of coping with the stress of being an Eva pilot and her mom's death, coupled with teenager hormones. She wanted love from somebody and Shinji was in the best position to give it to her.
Unfortunately, Shinji wasn't willing to put out due to his own emotional needs and limitations.
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>>139009888
Reifag or not, you're the one who's wrong here.

When that anon claims she's the most useless and the most counterproductive, you stating what makes her "interesting" doesn't counter what he said in any way whatsoever.

Then this:
>False. If you remember when the episode when they fought the Angel that could split in half, Misato was going to have Rei and Shinji pair up. But rather than letting herself get tossed aside, she trained harder to better synchronize with him.

Doesn't actually counter his claim, but is evidence of the opposite! Because she didn't manage to synchronize with Shinji on her own like the anon suggested, Misato had to bluff bringing in Rei instead (who could do the synchronization fine), and thus force Asuka to retreat in shame. Only after much convincing does she actually agree.

She did drag Shinji, Rei and Misato down here. They had to drag her up.

>Red Herring. This has nothing to do with Asuka's character. You call out Asukafags for considering it canon yet you bring it into the discussion just for cheap shots.
He's right in mentioning it, as it's true no matter how "cheap" it feels. It's Asuka fans who are cheap overvaluing literal h-doujins over the real Asuka.

>Otherwise, provide evidence she would.
She'd kill herself and do anything for her mother to not abandon her, her own words in a 22 flashback.

>Otherwise, provide evidence she would die for you.
I can only assume he is speaking of the characters as-if they were real and relating to a real person, with their current traits. It's a bit of rhetoric that when consider, checks out as right. Rei does choose to die for Shinji and the rest in ep 23, by her own choice.

Not that guy, but you're definitely wrong in all of this.
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>>139010401
Doesn't the manga, NGE, and the rebuilds all follow a different canon?
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>>139010431
It's when he thinks Rei has died

>>139010446
I'm talking about Misato, not Asuka you moron.
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Why can't we all just get along?
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>>139010377
>Try reading the manga or simply envagelion wikia...
Well, since you just suggested getting my "development" from a wiki or another story with a different character, you've more or less conceded.
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>>139010433
this pic is literally taken from the show
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>>139010502
make love, marry, befriend.
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>>139010528
Toilet will never win the Shinjibowl
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>>139009569
>Asuka was a real character. She felt like an emotional teenage girl.

Just like Rei is a real character by feeling like a downtrodden and abused teenage girl.

But unlike Asuka, Rei does have solid and progressive development throughout the show that doesn't solely hinge on a flashback, nor does Rei work entirely on sympathy from the viewer. She also has by far the best ending and conclusion to her character. Asuka doesn't really have a true conclusion to her character.

So while yes, some like pretty redhead noisemakers and others prefer short-haired quiet qts, when comparing the two as character or people, Rei comes out far better.
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>>138995594
In the opening of NgE, there is a red split second image showing kaworu.

So I was watching death & rebirth and I noticed something weird and interesting. in the scene where Naoko was strangling Rei I, you can see the same red image of kaworu reflected upside down in Rei's eyes, and after that, the image makes a split second appearance. what was that all about? Was there some meaning behind it? Or was it just another troll Easter egg that Anno dropped in there, like the creepy backwards quote that the dummy plug says in the rebuild movie?
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>>139010132
Misato is the only one of the three who is literally a fucking slut. She is disgusting. People who want Shinji to be with her are literal cucks.
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>>139010575
Decapitate this individual.
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>>139010627
Non-canon troll easter egg, it's not present in the directors cut. Safely ignore, it's as bullshit as the musical quartet.
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>yes she was trying her best to prove her worth, but she would still die for NERV.

When what little population humanity has left is at stake, it makes sense that she would be willing to make that sacrifice. I would argue Shinji and Rei would also be willing to do the same.
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>>139007846
Looks like best girl Ramiel stepped in shit
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>>139010622
>I like spoon-fed, easy to comprehend shit

Are you literally autistic
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>>139010575

Marry Mari, Befriend Asuka, Make love to Rei.
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>>139010668
Why so angry?
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>>139010654
How are they literal cucks? Her faggot boyfriend gets shot like a bitch and she gets on her knees 3 episodes later and begs for Shinji to dick her, it's the opposite of a cuck. Kaji-fags are the real cucks.
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>>139010714
Not that guy but here's the million dollar question:
Why bitch that Rei would be willing to die then?

That said, Asuka doesn't have that sort of moral set or thinking. She just goes full frantic bitch and stops being rational, she's been willing to die in the magma, she's been willing to run pointlessly at Zeruel and die, and she's just curled up like a ball against Arael while exclaiming that she'd rather die than get into a better position. Which would mean everyone dies.

Rei doesn't need to be told, she'll do it herself.
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>>139010787
That works too, my friend.
>I'd add Misato to that list as well. She'd also get some love.
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>>139010761
No but you are, asukafag-shitposter.

>being so autistic you actually reply to every post that brings up the truth about asuka
sad, sad sad.
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TL note: baa-san means grandpa
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>>139010622
>But unlike Asuka, Rei does have solid and progressive development throughout the show that doesn't solely hinge on a flashback, nor does Rei work entirely on sympathy from the viewer.
What? Remember Asuka tried to befriend Rei and Shinji but couldnt do it? And how she got progressively more desesperate because she couldn't prove her worth? And how she fantasized about Kaji and got hurt because her Guardian had a healthy relationship with him while she got rejected over and over?

>She also has by far the best ending and conclusion to her character. Asuka doesn't really have a true conclusion to her character.
What? She was in deep depression because of all the twists in her life and after being mind raped by the angel, then she finds out her mom counsciousness is in the Eva and it was always protecting her, giving her strenght to beat a shitton of mass produced eva's, that by itself is an amazing ending but we still got a cherry on top: She became the Eva who would repopulate the human race with Shinji, Adam.

Also her response to getting strangled by Shinji was caressing his face, she loved him but refused to show it, specially without being able to show him her worthiness first and being praised. At the end of the series her heart was finally opened and thats why she says she finally understands the AT Field.
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>>139010575
Marry Rei, make love to Mari, befriend Asuka.
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>>139010654
She is not a slut. She has good
Reasons for doing the things she does.
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>>139010195
>The last bit of her character remains rather shallow and unfinished, so no.

How so?
I could say the same thing about Rei.

>a person changes over time and through interaction.

Asuka doesn't have that simple linear development but there's actually conflict when she interacts with people. She doesn't really change much but she doesn't need to because she is well established and her interactions are interesting. It's exactly the same with Shinji.

>By herself I mean that Rei is the one drawing the conclusions

How is that impressive? Things happen to her, she changes and makes a decision, phenomenal.

>Said trauma and development is entirely undeveloped.

The trauma is made very clear, even throughout the series, mind rape and episode 25 and made perfect sense when considering her personality.
The development is in the same way undeveloped that Reis is undeveloped in EoE. It's short and subtle and only makes sense when considering what we learn in NGE.

>Her life is for the most part a blank.

Same goes for every other character.

>Asuka as a character doesn't go through any notable character development

Doesn't make her a bad or worse character.

>why she fails and Rei does not.

Doesn't make her a bad or worse character either.

>>139010528
It's the movie and a metaphor.
Shinji only fucks Kaworu and jerks off to Asuka.
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>>139010575
Marry Rei, make love to Ritsuko, befriend Misato. Stay away from Asuka
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>>139010881
yes.
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>>139010889
Yeah, she's a slut. Good reason if ever there was any.
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>>139010876
>repopulate
No you fucking retard shipper, Yui explicitly states anyone can come back.
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>>139010916
You forgot Mari. Every Eva girl deserves to get loved.
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>>139010799
They are cucks because it's funny, but anyone who would rather Shinji be with that disgusting whore who shacked up with Kaji for like a fucking week straight instead of someone pure like Kaworu is a fucking loser.
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>>139010876
Asukafag here, you are fucking retarded.

If you want to discuss something, at least stick to the canon and don't make shit up.
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Did i miss the toilet meme?
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>>139010876
>What? Remember Asuka tried to befriend Rei and Shinji but couldnt do it? And how she got progressively more desesperate because she couldn't prove her worth? And how she fantasized about Kaji and got hurt because her Guardian had a healthy relationship with him while she got rejected over and over?

Not character development. Asuka doesn't change herself. Her character remains static, it doesn't take in those events and change the character. Asuka at ep 8 would react the same, think the same, do the same.

>What? She was in deep depression because of all the twists in her life and after being mind raped by the angel, then she finds out her mom counsciousness is in the Eva and it was always protecting her, giving her strenght to beat a shitton of mass produced eva's, that by itself is an amazing ending but we still got a cherry on top:

Here's the problem. First you start of by trying to create sympathy for Asuka, a character who literally has it better than any other of the two child pilots. Not going to work, and it's not even an argument in the first place.

We're talking about her character, not how hard your sympathy-dick is for her.

>Also her response to getting strangled by Shinji was caressing his face, she loved him but refused to show it, specially without being able to show him her worthiness first and being praised. At the end of the series her heart was finally opened and thats why she says she finally understands the AT Field.
>She became the Eva who would repopulate the human race with Shinji, Adam.

So shipper fanwank is somehow a good ending? Notice how none of that is properly dealt with or developed in NGE. It's in your head.

As a fact, Asuka's ending is so shit that people have to fanwank something in.
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>>138999474
Rei had the best develop in my opinion,
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>>139011001
>instead of someone pure like Kaworu is a fucking loser.
Ah, so you're a faggot then, fucking loser.

/ss/ is the best.
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>>139011049
>implying he was wrong, save for the shipshit
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>>139011068
I'm not ordinarily a faggot but the girls in Eva are so shit that you'd have to be a retarded cuck to want to be with them. Asuka is a psycho bitch, Rei is a fuck toy for his dad and Misato is a slut. Kaworu is an angel by comparison.
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>>139010908
>How so?
>I could say the same thing about Rei.
You couldn't. I could because I backed that up.

>Asuka doesn't have that simple linear development
Actually, Asuka's development is 100% linear. One hundred percent, from start to finish.

Problem is that Asuka is an incomplete or failed character.

>How is that impressive? Things happen to her, she changes and makes a decision, phenomenal.
It is phenomenal. It means her character pushes it's own meaning, it's own life, it is something by itself. Not like Asuka, who is merely a foil, a plot device. This is what makes Rei feel like an alive character, while Asuka is merely a reactionary object. A real person thinks, feels and changes, something Rei does but Asuka doesn't.

>Same goes for every other character.
Not for every character, and it's only important for Asuka considering she is weighted entirely in her past. She lacks development "today" because of "yesterday". When the time inbetween is not detailed, we have a cheap-shot character.

>Doesn't make her a bad or worse character.
It makes her worse.

>Doesn't make her a bad or worse character either.
It makes Rei better.
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>>139011116
>Misato is a slut
She's slept with like one person, that's not a slut. She then turns into a sex-crazed harlot that wants Shinji's shota-dick but that's pretty hot desu.
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>>139011169
People who sleep with more than 1 person in their life should be executed by firing squad desu
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>>139011095
>implying he was right
His interpretation or fanfiction concerning something that EoE didn't show or express, is not valid for Asuka's character. Just imagine what mountains you can add on top of Misato, Rei, Gendo etc... if you fanwank as much. Asuka still loses to the rest in terms of character.

It's not about whether or not he personally "liked" the ending, as people can very well like poor endings. As for Asuka's character, it was a shitty ending because it ended by more or less handwaving her entire buildup for a cheap shonen-esqeue powerup.

Then it turns out she's only the plot-device for Shinji to scream. WOOPS!
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>>139010959
She didnt say it like that, it was something like "anyone can come back if they believe in the selves in their heart".

The way i interpreted this was that while any human hipotetically had the power to come back, only Shinji and Asuka managed to do it because of how pilotting the evas and all those events in their life affected their psyches.

We dont see any other human so the ending is ambiguous, but this interpretation fits nicely with the christianity references.
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>>139011001
>who shacked up with Kaji for like a fucking week straight
Dayum, that's kinda hot.
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>>139011239
>cheap shonen-esque power up
Someone post the deadsea cap.
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>>139011261
So in other words, Asukafags have such huge problems rationalizing their failed character that they literally turn to post-fact fanfiction to fill the gap.
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>>139011261
>one beach shown for a limited amount of time
>They're the only ones ebar :B
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>>139011295
>inb4 you post it yourself since you made it
any time now, toiletposter
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>>139011356
>implying it's me
>implying I didn't make that post specifically for moments like these and painted you so well it caught on with the one anon who posts it
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>>139011455
>implying it's not
You are so extremely autistic and easy to figure out, asukafag.
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>>139008517
>Dont forget Asuka wanted to befriend Rei at start, but she couldn't.
Not really, she was condescending as fuck as is her idiom.
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>>139011239
To be honest NGE needed a shounen-esque powerup and an interesting fight to finish, Asuka was the best character to deliver that and she did great.
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>>139001122

The real answer is Mari tbqhwyfimcho (to be quite honest with you famalam in my completely honest opinion)
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>>139011455
Except you're literally the only one reposting your unfunny and false shit all day every day, while no one else does it.

Must make you really, really fucking mad that the entirety of /a/ hopped on the tranny nonsense, which is your own fault for giving /a/ a reason.
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Are you really happy arguing about this on /a/, anons? That leads to a question: do people actually argue about this shit like this face to face?
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>>139011540
It's literally just you filenames-kun, no need to project.
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>>139011551
It's a lot easier explaining why Asuka is crap to another person when you look 'em in the eyes. They can't run away or dodge like they can on anonymous imageboards or forums.
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>>139011551
That fucking Reifag pussied out and never showed up at the Taco Bell.

>>139011613
Loving every laugh.
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>>139011488
That's why you had to samefag, huh? You're all pawns in my elaborate ruse, roach.
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>>139001122
>Which one
What if I want them to love each other and get married?
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>>139011551
whelp... i got nothing to do for 2 weeks and since i just finished NGE.

Yeah i doubt i would have such a long arguement over something so pointless face to face.
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>>139011698
You should terminate yourself.
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>>139011712
This reminds me that Rustle is going blind. He makes such lovely art. It's sad.
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>>139011613
>Reifags
>capable of making eye contact
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>>139011712
It's only as pointless as you make it, you can have great discussions about characters provided you do it fairly. As for Asuka and Rei, I rarely get to discuss those two but it's different from discussing them online since there's just that many more asuka fan autists out there hiding.

While bringing up a scene in NGE is OK for someone not autistic, it's not for the regular Asuka fag autist.
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>>139011551
Yes. Neo-Reifags are autists and it's fun to rile them up.
My favorite thing to do is post a bunch of obvious bait or respond to a paragraph of text without reading it with something really simple like "but where's your proof, Reishit?" and then exit out the tab.
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>>139011876
>things that never happen for 1000 USD, Alex
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>>139011116
>Kaworu is an angel by comparison.

Pun intended?
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>>139011049
>it doesn't take in those events and change the character.

Realizing that your mother loves you after spending your whole life with abandonment issues sure doesn't change anything.

>has it better than any other of the two child pilots

Subjective. Rei has it the worst though.

>As a fact, Asuka's ending is so shit that people have to fanwank something in.

Reminder that retarded fans have nothing to do with the quality of the show or Asukas character.

>>139011161
>You couldn't.

If Reis decision in EoE isn't shallow, I don't know what is.
She chooses to betray Gendo and grant Shinji his wish because Gendo was using her and Shinji was nice to her. That's some complex shit.

>Actually, Asuka's development is 100% linear.

Not exactly, she does a 180 in EoE and isn't such a stiff character like Rei so it's not even a big problem.
Rei's development just goes into one direction and all her actions make that pretty obvious.
While other NGE characters are have very 3dimensional personalities and are affected by their surrounding, Rei isn't. I'm not saying that Rei has no personality here, Rei simply does not have the same amount of complexity to her character and in her interactions, since it's all build around her development. Making her development good but the overall character shallow. With Asuka, it's arguably the opposite, I realize that.

Holy shit this is hilarious. I wrote my response each phrase at a time and didn't read you whole reply.

It's really funny.
Rei feels anything like an alive character honestly. Maybe autistic people think so.
Just look at the way she lives, how she talks to people. Is that what people do?

>Asuka, who is merely a foil, a plot device

Anon do you know what a plot device is?
If anything, Rei is closer to a plot device because she literally exists to pilot 00 and make instrumentality happen in EoE.

to be continued
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>>139011948
Epic r/4chan meme toiletfag
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>>139011876
So when does this happen? Because if Asukafags generally never stop shitposting, ever, and that leads me to believe there's definitely no closing of tabs or going on. Also replace "where's your proof" with a smug anime girl picture or something.
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>>139012023
Reifags are just really irritable, thus very easy and entertaining bait.
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>>138995594
Gendo's precious toilet-chan
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>>139012001
>Realizing that your mother loves you after spending your whole life with abandonment issues sure doesn't change anything.
Sure doesn't, not in the way I wrote here:

> Asuka doesn't change herself. Her character remains static, it doesn't take in those events and change the character.

Quote the entire thing next time. The problem with said scene is that it more or less makes her entire character development exist because of a plot device. EoE abandons Asuka and makes her a plot device.

>Subjective. Rei has it the worst though.
Entirely unsubjective, although yes, Rei has it the worst. Asuka being weak and poor to handle adversity doesn't mean she has it worse.

>Reminder that retarded fans have nothing to do with the quality of the show or Asukas character.
Reminder that Asuka's ending being incomplete and poor is the point here, not that the fans of Asuka are retarded.
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>>139011161
>A real person thinks, feels and changes, something Rei does but Asuka doesn't.

That's just plain wrong and you know it.
When Asuka asks Rei to be her friend Rei doesn't seem to think or feel anything of it, while Asuka clearly does.
Or when Asuka kisses Shinji, she's clearly thinking about him and sex and what not, like a normal teenager. I'm not saying she loves him, don't misunderstand.

>and it's only important for Asuka considering she is weighted entirely in her past.

Not true. You could say the same thing about Shinji or Rei. Without their pasts and background their actions would have less meaning.

>She lacks development "today" because of "yesterday".

That's the point. It shows how it affects her and what kind of person she is. That adds detail to her character.

>It makes her worse.
>It makes Rei better.

If Gendo beats Kaji in a fistfight, is he the better character?

You are basically saying that because Rei is "stronger" (which is bullshit because they are fundamentally different so comparing them that way is dumb) she's the better character?
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>>139012153
lol people give you facts that prove how asuka chardev is actually good and your replies are always "Actually no, she is just plot device because i say so, asuka ending was poor and that means her entire character was fail".

Suddenly i understand the toiltet meme guy, and honestly you are harder to change yourself than the Asuka that lives in your mind (because there is an asuka in everyones mind, thats part of the show philosophy.)
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>>139012001
>If Reis decision in EoE isn't shallow, I don't know what is.
Okay, then you don't know what is shallow. Makes sense why you're more or less wrong about everything then.

Rei's decision in EoE is based on the developments found in the series, which has been leading up to that. It's not simply a decision being made right there and then. Rei has, like a real person, been constantly evaluating her position and relationship, till she's making a "final" conclusion that changes everything. A great character, not a static puppet like Asuka.

>Not exactly, she does a 180 in EoE and isn't such a stiff character like Rei so it's not even a big problem.
Doing a 180, a 90 or a full 360 doesn't mean it's not linear. Linear development simply means it happens linearly, from A to Z, in order. Which is normal, and Rei's development is actually less linear in practice (but still considered linear). When Rei "loses" development through dying and memory loss, we've set a bit back in time, meaning we're no longer developing linearly.

That 180 of Asuka is undeveloped and shallow.

>While other NGE characters are have very 3dimensional personalities and are affected by their surrounding, Rei isn't. I'm not saying that Rei has no personality here, Rei simply does not have the same amount of complexity to her character and in her interactions
Sure she does, you're pretending they're not there. Rei is more affected by her surroundings than you realize, and you seem to mistake the amount of noise a character makes with how much it's affected. A typical anime otaku mistake, who needs exaggerated facial expressions to underestand character.

>Rei feels anything like an alive character honestly. Maybe autistic people think so.
Autistic people think Asuka is real.

Rei acts like an alive character, and yes, her extreme downer mood is part of that.
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>>139010467

I'll admit, I could be wrong on some things, so let me clear stuff up.

>When that anon claims she's the most useless and the most counterproductive, you stating what makes her "interesting" doesn't counter what he said in any way whatsoever.

Just for comparison, think about every time someone hates Shinji because he's whiny and cries all the time. While these facts are true, they are a shallow way of looking at the character. While I do not think Asuka is counterproductive and useless, even if she was, such a claim is an equally shallow perspective. And to claim she is the most useless and counterproductive protagonist in the last 30 years? There are worse protagonists to the point I don't even know where to begin.

>Misato had to bluff bringing in Rei instead (who could do the synchronization fine), and thus force Asuka to retreat in shame. Only after much convincing does she actually agree.

But that doesn't make much sense. Then why not just use Rei and Shinji in the first place to attack the angel while it was still regenerating, rather than taking the risk of fighting the angel at max capacity on top of the possibility that maybe Asuka couldn't get ready in time?

>He's right in mentioning it, as it's true no matter how "cheap" it feels. It's Asuka fans who are cheap overvaluing literal h-doujins over the real Asuka.

I wouldn't lump in the fans that understand Asuka from the series canon with "fans" that take their understanding from noncanon material.

>She'd kill herself and do anything for her mother to not abandon her, her own words in a 22 flashback.

True, but assuming that the anon earlier was talking in the context of Asuka killing someone close like Shinji, much like how you mentioned Rei self-destructing for Shinji, I don't see the motive outside of killing someone other than herself.

>Rei does choose to die for Shinji and the rest in ep 23, by her own choice.

Actually ashamed for forgetting ep 23. 14 year old me shed a tear.
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Does anyone ITT have an opinion on the manga?

I thought it was pretty good, ultimately has its own canon but it makes sense and is faithful enough to the original ideas.
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>>139000390
ZA BEASTO
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>>139012408
Then you remember the Rei that developped through the series was Rei 2, who died on episode 23.

The one who makes the decision in EoE is Rei 3 which didnt have the same experiences as Rei 2, thats why she tried to break Gendo glasses almost immediately after being brought to the world instead of valueing them like a symbol of her idol and saviour.
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>>139012474
I thought it was pretty interesting regarding stuff like Kaji's backstory but I really wish Asuka was given more focus.
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>>139012288
>That's just plain wrong and you know it.
It's correct and you know it.

If Asuka demands (not asks) to be "Rei's friend", that has nothing to say with what a real, live person does. Asuka doesn't reflect, she doesn't change or do anything based on that. Asuka is merely, Asuka.
A static. She is the same toxic person as before, without even the slightest hint at understanding or internal thought.
Her behavior stays the same.

>Not true. You could say the same thing about Shinji or Rei. Without their pasts and background their actions would have less meaning.
You couldn't, because Shinji's past and Rei's past do not define them entirely. Shinji and Rei are like explained earlier, characters that are more alive, more real because they live in the now. They're constantly changing, evaluating and living. Asuka is Asuka because of her "past", one event and that's that.

Asuka is a one-trick pony that's shallow as hell. Rei's past scarred her, but as you can see she's constantly moving on despite showing clear signs of carrying it with her. The same is true for Shinji.

This is part of the reason why Rei and Shinji are able to have such great character arcs, while Asuka remains a plot device.

>That's the point. It shows how it affects her and what kind of person she is. That adds detail to her character.
No it means she's a one-trick-pony. See above.

>If Gendo beats Kaji in a fistfight, is he the better character?
It makes Gendo a better fistfighter.

This isn't about who's stronger physically, or mentally, but the stronger character. So while Rei is superior to Asuka in strength, that's not the point. It's the fact that Rei's character is well rounded enough to actually have a conclusion that she's better. A real conclusion, not a fanwanked one.
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>>139012531
She actually does. In NGE, memories are contained in the soul, and Rei II and Rei III have the same soul. (Rei III's soul may be more complete than Rei II's but it's still Lilith's soul either way.)
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>>139012570
Eh, I preferred the Rei focus. Mostly because I hate Asuaka, but that's an opinon, so.
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>>139000390
The ultimate angel.
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>>139012153
>Sure doesn't
>Asuka doesn't change herself. Her character remains static, it doesn't take in those events and change the character.

Asuka get's up and fights.
Rei betrays Gendo.
You are telling me that Asuka says static and is the same all throughout but Rei isn't because... why?
Because Rei made a decision?
How does that matter if both signify that the characters change?
It's the same shit.

>character development exist because of a plot device.

They could leave out Asukas fight in EoE and nothing would change.
It's not a plot device.

>Asuka being weak and poor to handle adversity doesn't mean she has it worse.

She and Shinji are pretty much on the same level.

>Reminder that Asuka's ending being incomplete and poor is the point here, not that the fans of Asuka are retarded.

Why did you write
>So shipper fanwank is somehow a good ending? Notice how none of that is properly dealt with or developed in NGE. It's in your head.
>As a fact, Asuka's ending is so shit that people have to fanwank something in.

in >>139011049 then?
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>>139012531
>Then you remember the Rei that developped through the series was Rei 2, who died on episode 23.
Rei 3 is Rei 2. Congratulations on not understanding a fundamental part of Evangelion, and Rei's character.

Rei dies but can live again through clone resuscitation.
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>>139012648
Well fuck you too. You deserved that ending.
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>>139012435
>While these facts are true, they are a shallow way of looking at the character
No, because those facts aren't true. He does not cry all the time, and he does not whine all the time.

The facts are, concerning Asuka, is that she is the MOST counterproductive and the MOST useless of the characters. She is in fact, so useless and counterproductive that it is entirely fair and accurate to characterize her as such. I and anyone who knows Evangelion can show to dozens of scenes where her character is making things worse for everyone included.

>But that doesn't make much sense.
It makes sense because Misato literally says that was her plan. EVA00 is out of commission. You don't know Evangelion enough to comment. I don't even think you're a Reifag.

>I wouldn't lump in the fans that understand Asuka from the series canon with "fans" that take their understanding from noncanon material.
They are the fans. You're not lumping anyone in.

>True, but assuming that the anon earlier was talking in the context of Asuka killing someone close like Shinji, much like how you mentioned Rei self-destructing for Shinji, I don't see the motive outside of killing someone other than herself.
The motive is getting her mother's attention, which you agreed to. End story.

>Actually ashamed for forgetting ep 23. 14 year old me shed a tear.
You get five laps around the TV-series.
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>>139012620
>If Asuka demands (not asks) to be "Rei's friend", that has nothing to say with what a real, live person does.
Just so you know, people do in fact do things like this, especially precocious teenagers who think they're doing introverted people a favor.
But in case you didn't notice, she does change her stance toward Rei after this. She gets a bit aggressive and starts referring to her as the commander's pet, but through some of the middle episodes the two do form a sort of semi-hostile, but functional relationship. Asuka even lets Rei choose where to eat after the Sahquiel battle. So there's certainly some sort of progression.
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Rei was really great.
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>>139001122
>no one said Rei
I'm proud /a/
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I'm going to marry Asuka-chan!
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>>139012805
You dense motherfucker, this is why you're impossible to argue with...

>Asuka, is that she is the MOST counterproductive and the MOST useless of the characters. She is in fact, so useless and counterproductive
We already proved you wrong and you keep coming back to this point...
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A reminder that Evangelion was made by an autist, and if you have any knowledge of autism, aspergers and psychology, you will appreciate Eva more than the tasteless casuals.
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>>139012661
>You are telling me that Asuka says static and is the same all throughout but Rei isn't because... why?
Because we're discussing their characters, and their development.

Rei's decision to wreck Gendo was built up throughout the entire anime series. Lo and behold, Rei does what she pondered about doing.

Asuka's decision to fight was not built up in any way whatsoever. She had become broken, and was empowered by EVA02, by being given something by an external. Her mothers love was given to her from beyond the grave. There isn't much development her in her character, she is the exact same Asuka only now she's getting what she wants, meaning her mood changes.

She then dies, fittingly.

>They could leave out Asukas fight in EoE and nothing would change.
>It's not a plot device
The Lance of Longinus descends due to Shinji's reaction to Asuka's death. Merely a plot device, put in a fight she was never to win.

But for the record, it's part pandering (throwing up a big fight involving Asuka for the fans), and a plot device for the aforementioned reasons..

>She and Shinji are pretty much on the same level.
Shinji is far better. Name one time Shinji went into a coma and was chained to a hospital bed because he couldn't handle life. Never, that's when. Shinji > Asuka.

>Why did you write
Because it shows my point through fans like you and that guy. Rather than referring explicitly to Asuka's end, you refer to fanwank. That shows what a poor character Asuka is.
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>>139012903
I'll see you in that great Asukabowl in the sky.
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>>139004965
No, if I remember correctly, Kaworu's special ability was that he could manipulate and re-balance his sync rate better than anyone else.

Also, that wasn't Shinji piloting Unit 01. That was the AYANAMI A.I. yanking the controls out of his hands and piloting it by itself.
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>>139012965
Really? thats interesting and now that i think of it all 3 pillots are probably relateable to ppl in the autism specter.
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>>138999764
I'm not sure how to respond, because I love Asuka because she's a terribly damaged and angry human being.
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>>139001122
Rei
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>>139012857
>Just so you know, people do in fact do things like this, especially precocious teenagers who think they're doing introverted people a favor.
Real people say "no" to that as well. They also say "yes".
That a bitchy teenager might act like Asuka doesn't touch the point I'm making. It's not relevant.

Because the point is that a real live person has a mental process well as an external process. With Asuka, we get the same, static external process, her mental process is more or less non-existent while it's there for e.g Shinji, Misato and Rei.

A real person also changes, adapts and considers, something Asuka does not. She is a static foil, a plot device, not a real character. No matter how loud her voice actor screams.

>But in case you didn't notice, she does change her stance toward Rei after this
She really doesn't, she was always aggressive, this "convenient friendship demand" also being, like you suggested in your own post, aggressive.

The progression isn't there in mind, not in change, nothing.
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>>139013026
This is the most meta fucking post I've ever seen on this website.
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>>139012620
>Asuka doesn't reflect, she doesn't change or do anything based on that. Asuka is merely, Asuka.

So she's a normal teenage girl?

>Her behavior stays the same.

No, her behavior varies.
Mid-series she's somewhat nice. She compliments Shinji when she learns that he plays Cello. I posted an image earlier where she compliments Rei for being poetic or something.
Later in the series, when her performance as a pilot gets worse and she has her period she is more aggressive and angry, take the elevator scene as an example.

>Shinji's past and Rei's past do not define them entirely.

Except they do. Shinji is the way he is because dady issues and Rei because she was raised by scientists in a dark room.

>Rei's past scarred her, but as you can see she's constantly moving on despite showing clear signs of carrying it with her. The same is true for Shinji.

Asukas past also scarred her, just in a different way.
At this point you are just saying that Rei is better because she handles the situation better.
Shinji is just as much of a piece of shit as Asuka after killing Kaworu.

>No it means she's a one-trick-pony. See above

Fuck off, it's well written, if you though about it for a moment instead of spouting words like one-trick-pony and plot device you would understand.

>It's the fact that Rei's character is well rounded enough to actually have a conclusion that she's better.

That wasn't the point.
You were saying that Rei is better because she has the potential to become a better person and learn, while Asuka just spirals down. Both are in character, as is Asukas final development in EoE and if you can't accept that you are just delusional.
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>>139013041
>>139001122
Mein neger
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>>139013039
AKA best girl
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>>139012916
>We already proved you wrong and you keep coming back to this point...
You didn't prove it wrong. There's no proof in your post, no evidence or even argumentation as to the contrary. There's been numerous examples ITT as to how Asuka is counterproductive and useless.

She is in fact the only pilot to be replaced because she can't pilot.
She endangers NERV and herself pointlessly on numerous occasions, almost handing the victory to the Angels. When she's refusing to think tactically against Arael, charging Zeruel or stopping to show off whenever she slices an Angel (Israfel fight), she's being extremely counterproductive.

You didn't prove anything whatsoever. I did. You got butthurt.
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>>139010807
>Why bitch that Rei would be willing to die then?

I was bitching?


Asuka's Arael and Zeruel fights were her more desperate fights, since those were when she was at her lowest point, which can be seen in her poor decision making. But in magmadiver, she was in a better state of mind since it was still earlier in the series.
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>>139013090
>Reiped
Such a strange way to spell "loved tenderly."
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>>139013054
So are you just going to ignore the actual development I referred to? You know, how Asuka is actually genuinely nice to Rei? Or are you just going to say that it doesn't count because it doesn't like you always do?
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90% of the posters here obviously didn't watch evangelion recently, and only remember the characters as the community describes them or they completely missed all the character development. In case of Rei Ayanami, she is not a emotionless doll, that people make her out to be. In her introduction episode, she shows that she has no social skills whatsoever, but she does show emotions. She is very competent, professional and quite philosophical. She doesn't talk much, but the few things she says have meaning. She wasn't supposed to be human, She is just a fake soul in a fake body. But that did not stop her from developing a personality and individuality trough her interactions with people other than Gendou. She has by far the most interesting character development throughout the show (rivaling Misato and Shinji).

,,No, I am me. I became myself by the instrumentality of the links and relationships between myself and others. I am formed by interaction of others. They create me as I create them. These relationships and interactions serve to shape the patterns of my heart and mind.''

,,Those are bonds?''

,,Yes. That is the name for what I share with those who have created the thing known as rei. That is what will continue to shape me.''
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>>139012916
This guy isn't me btw
>>139013137
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Reminder that the Reifag you are currently dealing with believes that hating Asuka is vital to understanding Evangelion.
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Idk took me a few days to watch the first 7 episodes but once Asuka was added to the cast i devoured the remaining episodes and EoE in 3 days.

I guess that means something about her being a good character.
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>>139010627
It means Lilith x Adam is the OTP.
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ITT: people who completely missed the point of Evangelion.
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>>139013227
Or maybe your own taste.

Or lack of it.
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>>139013137
ok i will repeat myself and the hundreds anons who tried to penetrate your dense skull.

Being counterproductive doesnt make her a bad character, after all she is a edgy 14 y/o who wants to be the best and ends up doing biting more than she can chew.

She was actually useful in various moments of the show, for example the magma dive and the choreography.

And ofc fight scene in EoE, no one fought as well as she did there in the entire series.
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>>139013072
>So she's a normal teenage girl?
Even normal teenage girls reflect, all humans do. Asuka doesn't.

>No, her behavior varies.
>examples
Which is all the same behavior for this character. Because she's angry in one moment or happy in another, doesn't show change. When you praise Shinji, you expect him to be happy, and when you scold him, you expect him to be sad. This is situational behavior that, not their behavior as a character.

You're thinking of something different.

>Except they do. Shinji is the way he is because dady issues and Rei because she was raised by scientists in a dark room.
They don't. Shinji had his opinions and changes in the meantime, as did Rei. Rei doesn't keep going back to that dark room, but Asuka keeps going back to her mother. This is what makes Rei the superior character, her character is based on more than a flashback. Rei, Misato and Shinji all live in the current as real characters, while Asuka is the same, mommy-abandoned bitch as she always was.

>Shinji is just as much of a piece of shit as Asuka after killing Kaworu.
Shinji is a hero for killing Kaworu, not a piece of shit.

>Fuck off, it's well written, if you though about it for a moment instead of spouting words like one-trick-pony and plot device you would understand.
It's not poorly written compared to some other anime or works, but she's still an inferior one-trick pony character. Anime is filled with those, Asuka is one with more screentime.

>That wasn't the point.
It was.
>You were saying that Rei is better because she has the potential to become a better person and learn, while Asuka just spirals down.
No, I wasn't. While Rei is a better person and has the potential to become better, it's not the reason. It's because Rei's character shows that process of becoming someone else, someone different. Not for Asuka. She was just herpa-changed through plot magic in EoE to fit the plot.
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>>139013321
>being counterproductive doesnt make her a bad character, a
Shut the fuck up.

I was arguing that she was counterproductive. Nothing else. That she's a "Bad character" is a different argument. If you concede the fact that she is, we're done. Asuka is counterproductive and drags everyone else down.

>the EoE fight!
A pointless fight she LOST. Asuka actually made the entire team collapse near the end.
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>>139013268
True, but let's also squeeze Shinji in there too...
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>>139011979
He's an acute angle.
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>>139013153
>So are you just going to ignore the actual development I referred to?
There was no actual development you referred to. The incident you refer to didn't happen, you misremembered it. When Misato is taking the kids out to eat, it's not Asukas privilege to chose who goes or who doesn't.

>You know, how Asuka is actually genuinely nice to Rei?
Never happens.

But you apparently have no problem ignoring the actual points I'm making.

>Because the point is that a real live person has a mental process well as an external process. With Asuka, we get the same, static external process, her mental process is more or less non-existent while it's there for e.g Shinji, Misato and Rei.
>A real person also changes, adapts and considers, something Asuka does not. She is a static foil, a plot device, not a real character. No matter how loud her voice actor screams.
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>>139012967
>Rei's decision to wreck Gendo was built up throughout the entire anime series.

Not really. That was only really started in episode 24 where she breaks his glasses and episode 25 where she talks about how she's being used and that it actually affects even though she thought it didn't.

Asukas issues with here mother were established around the same time. Earlier even, with the mind rape.

>Her mothers love was given to her from beyond the grave.

Her soul is in the Eva, she's not dead.

>she is the exact same Asuka only now she's getting what she wants

It's well established how impactful it this is, don't pretend it isn't. I mentioned it earlier.

>The Lance of Longinus descends due to Shinji's reaction to Asuka's death.

No it doesn't. Prove it.
Also, Seele mentions how 02 is getting in their way, the fight with the MP Evas was not part of their plan if I remember correctly.

>Rather than referring explicitly to Asuka's end, you refer to fanwank.

Where exactly did I do that?
I even criticized that other guy who did.

>That shows what a poor character Asuka is.

That's like saying, Reifags who call Asuka a tranny show that Rei is a poor character.

Don't connect the fanbase with a shows quality.
It's not the point of the argument and dumb on top of that.
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You know what? Fuck this arguement, people who are dense enough to believe Azuka / Rei are bad characters wont be changed with words.
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>>139013455
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>>139013138
Asuka doesn't do the whole "worthy sacrifice" thing. She just resigns to dying. Her death would mean nothing in the case of Magma Diver, and the other cases would doom all of humanity if the others didn't make up for her death wish.

When Rei plays with death, she's either charging with a bomb to show down the enemy's throat, or holding on to the enemy with the self-destruct button held in. Then Rei can also be clever here and use the fact that she can be literally revived as an excuse to do that, as a last ditch effort.
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>>139007712
I have a few ideas

"An eye for an eye. I saw you kill them (All the Rei clones after III)"

"Zero (Unit 00) wasn't after me. She was after you"

"A real cold-blooded bitch. Just like your mother"
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>>139013658
Reminds me of all those spinoff games that make Kaworu straight and in love with Rei.

I personally don't get it, because Kaworu seems more like an Asukafag guy to me.
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>>139013378
>Not for Asuka. She was just herpa-changed through plot magic in EoE to fit the plot.
Absolutely not. Regardless of what you think of how well executed you think Asuka's realization is, she's the same person before and after. She's still cocky, overconfident, and a huge showoff, all features that she shows in her early episodes. She's not a new person, she's just lost everything that was inhibiting her.

>>139013542
>Never happens.
The post Sahquiel scene I already mentioned and when she volunteers to tank the acid from Matarael. Also I would argue that there's really not much extensive inner analysis of any of the characters besides Shinji. But I would argue that the change in how she regards people is evidence of an inner change. Her stance toward Shinji changes as well, going from a being that does not need to be regarded, to a rival, to a point of blame. We don't need to actually see character thoughts to know that mental changes occur.
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>>139007712
>>139007842
>>139013702
It was "I need you"

It's why it appears on the laptop when everyone is getting tanged. And also why she appears with the liar line.
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>>139013802
I thought it was "I did love you."
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>>139013589
>Azuka sees her mother going crazy
>Azuka sees her mother thinking she is a doll
>Azuka sees her mother going to a mental insitution
>Azuka mother wants to die with Azuka
>Azuka mother an heroes
>Azuka lives all her life thinking her mother abandoned her
>Azuka lives all her life trying to prove that she is worth something and shouldn't be abandoned
>Azuka fails to do so
>Azuka gets rejected by Kaji and Rei, sees her guardian having a healthy relationship with Kaji and when she tries to get close to Shinji she can't because he is a puss
>Azuka realizes she hates everything
>Azuka realizes the one thing she hates the most is herself
>Azuka gets mind raped
>Azuka finds out her mother didnt abandon her, her soul got severed into the Eva she was piloting and that caused her human body to have brain damage
>Azuka realizes her mother always wanted to protect her and this gives her strength to live

If this is bad chardev i guess there arent many good characters in cinema at all.
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>>139013589
>Not really
Yes really. Even since episode 6, where we get to know Rei's reasons for fighting, she flat out denies it's because of Gendo. Right there, episode six.
When Asuka says that she's Gendo's favorite, Rei is early on stage saying that's not the case. From thereon her development with the others leads to Toji in a mid-series episode to claim that she cares more for Shinji.
Moreover, take the scene where Shinji pops in to Rei's apartment, and does a cleaning. Rei thanks him, embarrased. Later that night, Rei goes through that event and realizes that she's never thanked anyone like that, not even Gendo.

So no, Asuka doesn't actually have jack shit in terms of character development here. You're right that there are moments in episode 24, but there were also moments in earlier episodes like 23, and the one after 24, 25. Where Rei starts crushing Gendo's glasses or claims he's keeping her from doing what she wants.

Way to not get NGE.

>Her soul is in the Eva, she's not dead.
From beyond the grave, through the EVA, same shit. She's being given the temporary "fix" here.

>It's well established how impactful it this is, don't pretend it isn't. I mentioned it earlier.
No one said it wasn't impactful, but it is as a matter of fact not borne of Asuka's character, it's external. It's the same character unchanged, getting something from someone else. Someone pulls her strings like a puppet.

>No it doesn't. Prove it.
It's mentioned in the EoE book, and it's also what you visually observe happens on screen, in that exact order.

>Where exactly did I do that?
Then we agree that even Asuka fans can't come up with a canon ending.

>That's like saying, Reifags who call Asuka a tranny show that Rei is a poor character.
No, it's not even close. You're running out of bullshit.

It's evidence that Asuka's ending is poor, so that the fans have to fanwank.
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>>139013863
Well, maybe even "I needed you". I just don't see the point of "I need you" appearing many times if it didn't have such significance.
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>>139013797
>Absolutely not. Regardless of what you think of how well executed you think Asuka's realization is, she's the same person before and after. She's still cocky, overconfident, and a huge showoff, all features that she shows in her early episodes. She's not a new person, she's just lost everything that was inhibiting her.

Well, it's check mate then. Because my point is more or less that, Asuka's "character development" literally does not happen here. There is no real change in character, it's the same character, only now - it's herpa-changed through plot magic to fit the plot.

So there is no real development, no real resolution, only a temporary boost to the same character so it can die for some stuff with a lance to happen, and to please Asuka fans I guess. Then since the point is that it was poorly executed considering the quality of her character, then you bet all of this matters.
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