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As long as you never give up and you keep pushing to better yourself, you'll make it no matter what. You CAN learn Japanese!
>aily Japanese Thread
Took me a long time to find this pic in my folder though
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'd rather have a guy avatarfagging in japanese than someone responding to all of his posts with "Fuck off" constantly.
Fair enough. Was just curious if any trainfags in DJT were going to read it since I'm not really much of a trainfag and feel this is a good opportunity to broaden my horizons, but the constant train related terminology explanation/infodump popups seems sort of intimidating when I'll have to look up pretty much every word in them.
>How is that any better?
RP is still markedly different because when you RP you're trying to maintain character.
It may not be better but it's still different from avatarfagging, and I don't find that this person is RPing anyway.
I'm having trouble memorising the Core2k/6k in Anki
I always have to have 5+ attempts at a new card before I get it, is that normal?
I also have trouble with things that are very similar like 持つ and 待つ. How do you guys remember stuff like this?
I had the idea of doing my Anki reps and then going through and grabbing all of the Kanji I had just gone through and adding them to a seperate deck that contains the Kanji then on the flip side the pronunciations and example words it's used in. Do you think that would help?
待つ has the same symbol as 行く, which was like the first real kanji I learned. And I learned 待つ before 持つ so since it was the first of the two I draw a parallel to 行く.
Just find arbitrary patterns to help you with that stuff. If you're too dumb to come up with one feel free to remember that there's someone out there that learned 行く and 待つ before 持つ.
DJT, disgusting non-learner here.
Mind translating the moonrunes on this page? The ones at the top of the page and next to the numbers (01-04). Thanks.
>le use google meme
why do you even come to this thread? you can find everything you need from google.
>Thinking of drawing colored Paper. As I thought, Asano Inio-Sensei is so amazing... Revenge the dead body...
What the fuck is 'ﾘﾍﾞﾝｼﾞ死体' in relation to Inio Asano? And why does it feel like the more I try the less I understand.
Why though? There's nothing inherently wrong with using Rikai while reading as long as you're not over-relying on it. It's a convenient tool to make lookups faster and make the creation of new cards significantly faster. That's like saying anki is stupid when you can just do it the hard way and make physical flashcards.
Once I've blasted through Tae Kim, am I good to start reading Yotsuba?
I've started Core2k/6k but I'm only 100 words in. Am I best waiting until I have a certain number of words in my head before I attempt to read or will I be ok diving in now?
I'm about the same as you (though at 800 words) and I tried Yotsuba the other day.
I feel like it's a bit misleading to tell people to try for a first translation. First of all, Yotsuba is a retard, so half her sentences are grammatically incorrect. As someone new to Japanese, you're bound to get confused as fuck when she changes a pronunciation or misuses a word.
Better to start with something that's adult or teen focused imo.
Just use the reading pack (DL in old resources link in the OP) and you'll be fine. It has an html vocab list that has the vocab for every single panel in the first 2 volumes as well as explanations of puns/jokes/mispronunciations etc.
Is going through Tae Kim 1 page a day slow? I know you're suppose to start reading as soon as possible but I've been trying to squeeze in writing practice.
I'm over a month in Currently at the Potential form
Uhhh... I guess I see why you'd want to do that. But I don't think it's really necessary for Tae Kim.
The idea is to go through it relatively quickly so you can start reading as soon as possible.
It's okay to not fully understand everything because you usually won't fully grasp it until you start actually reading.
You can always come back to it afterwards.
But I guess if taking it slow and writing helps you learn better then feel free to do so.
I personally took it pretty slow when going through Tae Kim but I wish I'd have spent less time going through it because my understanding of grammar didn't really start to take shape until I actually started reading.
I personally find it very helpful to do the reverse cards as well, because I force myself to write the kanji based on their english definition and that seems to make them force themselves in my head.
Does anyone else find that they subconsciously expect everyone to speak the same languages they do?
I'm always surprised when someone doesn't comprehend some Japanese word or phrase, even though logically I remember that I'm the only one who's learned the language.
>How do I translate my name into Kanji? Is it even possible for a gaijin? Do I choose them based on meaning and attach furigana?
>I just don't want to have a silly katakana name.
Foreigners don't write their names in Kanji. It's just weird.
Japanese people won't even realize the Kanji they're looking it is supposed to BE a name if it's not a common Jap name and there's a gaijin face attached to it.
I'm torn between doing more vocab a day (50 new + reps in the morning and then 50 more latter if I feel like it) so I can get to reading actual Japanese faster, or doing a Kanji deck along side the Core2k/6k.
If I was to do a Kanji deck I'd probably make my own based on the Kanji I meet in the Core2k/6k, since that would surely help me remember it.
Which do you think would be more benefitial?
If I choose some relatively common Kanji for my name it should be okay though? I want to change my name to 和平 with the furigana reading of 「ミラー」. And one more thing, can I just use 2 characters or 4 characters are mandatory?
Yeah, I guess if I just start using rare Kanji it might cause a problem. But would it be okay if I don't?
Gaijins don't get kanji names.
Katakana are the Mark of the Gaijin and you must wear them proud as you stride into glorious Nippon.
A Gaijin attempting to adopt kanji into their name is disrespectful to our Nihonjin superiors.
Besides, I think katakana looks really cool.
>Are we getting raided?
I see one moron who can't google and one moron who really wants to be japanese, honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they have been here for a while, it's the type of people this place attracts.
You talking about this guy?
He was named by Oda Nobunaga himself as an honorary Nihonjin.
Unless you go into Japan and get a daimyo to personally name you and become a samurai, you're sticking with your katakana name.
Wow, he seems like a pretty cool 黒人「くろひと」笑笑, but I didn't know about him. If he did it I'm pretty sure I can. I don't think you would need the Emperor's permission to do this in our days?
Lets see who has the coolest looking name
Would this offering be sufficient? Will できないちゃん increase my kanji level?
>mfw this is literally better then Tae Kim
なりそこない means a thing which failed to become something or a thing which looks like something but not totally. So unless you specify that "something" it doesn't make sense.
Ex. 蛙のなりそこない, 人のなりそこない, ...
ON a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being hardest
VN I'm really REALLY interested in: 1
VN that is supposed to be good for beginners: 3~7 depending on how bored you are
not that guy, but I'm reading Japanese the Manga Way first (already skimmed through Tae Kim) and I've found it much more enjoyable
of course when I read Tae Kim again I'm going to do all the exercises because last time I didn't to them I didn't learn shit
Just make a deck with the example sentences as you go through it and make sure that you understand them fully. There's no way the info will stick if you just read through the book once.
>Just make a deck
Or use the deck which has been highly recommended to use with TK, for years now.
Or use a newer variant with sentence diagrams.
A lot of time can be saved by doing a quick look at the resources we already have.
With the internet you can look things up.
I feel guilty for using all of this bandwidth from AnkiWeb. I don't know how I even have 34,000+ media files.
Newfag here, the sticky doesn't give a recommendation for hoiw to learn kana, should I just grab a Hiragana+katana deck from anki and use that or is there a better recommendation? About how long should it take to learn the kana?
>the sticky doesn't give a recommendation for hoiw to learn kana
1. Find a kana table, just google it there will be hundreds
2. Write down each kana and their corresponding "sound" fiddy times
3. Jump on this and grind: http://realkana.com/practice/
I got them memorised in a weekend. With hiragana especially you see them constantly anyway so you won't forget them. I quit for over a year and when I came back I still remembered all the kana, it's almost impossible to forget.
Nah, we all start somewhere anon. Though it is something that could've been solved by checking Anki's manual. That deck has a lot more cards than it needs, so feel free to delete cards when you feel they aren't necessary or you don't need them anymore. You want to get through Tae Kim relatively quickly, so don't let the deck pace you and hold you back.
>the sticky doesn't give a recommendation for hoiw to learn kana,
You can sync from dropbox? I though it it was a cloud storage site. Anyway, whatever works, works, I guess. Good to see you were able to bypass the problems you were having with Anki servers.
Oh okay so you guys are just a bunch of virgin bullies. Im going to go learn chinese instead. Enjoy your dying meme language so you can watch cartoons.
Save them as tabbed spaced csv files and make sure the encoding is set to UTF-8. Alternatively you can copy and paste the contents of the spreadsheet directly into something as simple as notepad or a text editing program and save that as a txt file, making sure to save the encoding as UTF-8.
Anki will parse the tabbed spaces/columns as fields and each new row is contained to a single card. Using spreadsheets/text files is how all of the large/popular Anki decks came to be.
i mean chinese is a more useful language in life generally so i think thats a perfectly fine endeavor too but if you ever wanna know whats going on in hentai pornos you have to learn this shit
You wouldn't have made it anyway. Be glad we saved you some time.
>let's everyone dogpile on the obvious dumb post because our flippant comments add so much to the thread.
Since the iknow core 6k content was released under creative commons, if you live in an area within reach of a native tutor or something, they'd probably be willing to be recorded if it equated to money. They usually charge a set amount per hour and tend to be willing to take on anyone for even the stupidest language related stuff. Might even be able to find a Japanese girl to record.
It is a better way of ensuring correct pronunciation from actual natives.
I think it would be pretty great. Like an "/a/ sings x" except actually useful and not entirely shit.
Yeah I'm sure I could pay someone to do it if I had money, but having you guys in my ears is the next best thing really.
>I have 2600 kanji in my grid, surely I can handle Dark Souls 3 without a text hooker!
>dumps a zillion of unfamiliar kanji on me right from the beginning
Well uh, I guess I'll just leave those item descriptions for later.
>hating on reaction images on an image board
>implying anon-sensei whispering sweet nothings in my ears would impede my progress
at least the "fuck off imouto" dude doesn't seem to be here.
man i really don't think that dude study japanese, or if he does, not very far
seems like a very touchy guy who really dislike anybody that is an "attention whore"
the good news is if you stop playing the game and just focus on the text, things will start overlapping and youll eventually know everything just fine since games have a lot of built in repetition
between him and the generalhater dude, i'm not sure which one is worse
i'm inclined to say generalhater dude is worse, cuz he seems to be legitimately off his rockers i almost feel sorry for him
I'm not a normal person, though, so I'm sure I'm encountered a fair share of "abnormal" words.
I know, it's just such a huge ass pain to mine when I can't hook.
I thought a year of reading fantasy eroge was enough, but looks like it wasn't.
>at least the "fuck off imouto" dude doesn't seem to be here.
You are responding to one of those anons who doesn't want that avatarfag attention whore here. This petulant boogeyman attitude is just pathetic: there are many anons who want the shit removed from this thread.
Half the time the anons people like you start freaking out about have spent every other post in the thread being helpful but you just happen to be triggered by a phrase of an idea you don't like then your brain goes out the window and the religious fever takes over.
The amount of times I've been part of a constructive conversation with other anons for dozens of posts only to have a comment singled out and made into some /pol/esque monster that represents everything wrong the with world is obscene. If the memespewers, attention whores and paranoid nutcases were to leave this thread it would increase ten fold.
You're freaking out and trying to stab your own shadow, anon. Get a fucking grip and maybe ease up on the amphetamines or something.
God I wish they were easily available here. I'd be fluent by now.
Where'd all the amphetaneets go?
I remember amphetamines being shilled and discussed here a good two years ago.
Not to mention the fish oil dude.
I'm actually a BDSM euthesiest, my gf actually smacks me when I get one wrong, its working really well actually
You could always get one of those buzzing games that give you a mildly painful shock when you click the button and link it up with the "1" key on your computer
>In the United Kingdom, amphetamines are regarded as Class B drugs. The maximum penalty for unauthorized possession is five years in prison and an unlimited fine.
Unless you mean "easily" as "just lie to the doc m8" in which case, maybe.
I just do my reps as soon as I wake up. So food/water/piss/shit, not even stretching until I finish.
i was singling out the one specific anon that regularly called out people's posts he doesn't like "attention whoring"
are you that guy?
if you're not, i wasn't talking about you
imouto's posts; "attention whore"
somebody speak japanese; "attention whore"
ask about manga; "attention whore"
long posts; "attention whore"
i wasn't even a part of the last thread's imouto avatarfag fight
i do get annoyed by that one guy calling everybody's posts he doesn't like "attention whoring" even though some of those posts are helpful
i doubt you are that guy, but if you are that guy, fuck you. its annoying to read you calling out helpful posts "attention whoring" over and over
Out of curiosity, how many new cards do you guys learn in your Core2k/6k decks?
I go for 60 but I do upto 40 more if I'm feeling into it.
It works pretty well if you're a lazy person who always wants to do something other than what they should be doing. So, if going to toilet is your most pressing need, you'll find it easier and more fun to sit there and do your reps instead.
No, and they won't know until I'm actually able to speak it.
Back when I was in uni I made the mistake of telling a classmate I was learning Japanese (after he was talking about going to jap classes himself). The weeb fuck constantly tried to speak to me in Japanese from that day forward and since he was learning through school lessons he was able to speak, and I wasn't in the slightest since I'd only just past 1k words in my vocab deck and couldn't actually form sentances at that point.
To make it worse he was always talking about jap porn, especially train rape ones because those were his favourite. I remember him telling me how in his japanese class he had to do a presentation and speak in japanese. In the presentation he had one of those cringey photoshopped images where he was with Miku and he actually said "Miku is my girlfriend" to a class full of human beings.
Other than that he was ok I guess, but he was so awkward it hurt. If you're reading this, fuck you
Also I'm learning it almost entirely to read VNs so my family would never understand.
I occasionally let my power level slip with a certain friend who I know is at least a casual weeaboo. Wouldn't be surprised if he's further in than me and doing the same to me.
Aside from that, fuck no.
>Chinese parents are disappointed in you
>You know more Japanese than Chinese now
>That's not a lot though
You'd be surprised. There was a girl who walked by dressed as a school girl (she was a cosplayer I guess) and instantly he's on the topic how how much he loves train rape porn as he immitates the noises they make.
Yeah. My step-grandmother is the only one who doesn't really get it, but she's the sort of person who hates fun and doesn't understand why people have interests that she doesn't have.
My dad thinks it's pretty cool and wants to travel around Japan in a couple years with me. I think I can get to the point where I can understand almost everything we'd run into by then, but interpreting for him and speaking are probably a different issue.
You know exactly what noises I am talking about.
Not gonna lie he gave me a chub
>english is my mother tongue
>lived in England all my life
>trying to read Tae Kim
>keep having to look up what the English words mean
This Tae Kim bloke is a fancy fucker isn't he? With his "conjugate" this and "declarative " that. Would be nice if someone made it simpler desu.
This is what happens when your native language is simple as fuck
Most countries with other languages introduce those concepts in middle school because it's necessary to correctly use their own language
>as he immitates the noises they make
You mean like
>This is what happens when your native language is simple as fuck
The problem isn't "english is simple", the problem is "these terms that describe most european languages are poor at articulating on the complicated parts of english", so they're mildly hard to explain in the context of english, at least hard enough that teaching them in elementary and middleschool doesn't work. Yes, they do teach them. Nobody remembers them, because they don't align with the subconscious grammar of english. As someone who literally speaks slang IRL, it's basically impossible for me to describe "genitive" without giving a list of examples, all of which use completely different english grammatical systems.
>play through demons souls in Japanese
>struggle to keep up with the subtitles due to fast pace of dialogue and weird font, but overall struggle very little
>use leftover money to buy SaGa Frontier
>blowing through game without any problems so far
Feels good to freely use Japanese for recreation. JRPGs seem to be a lot easier than "normal" Japanese though, well Demon's had some pretty hard words but SaGa could almost be written for kids, and maybe it is. The heavy use of Katakana is relieving, so need to learn words like "Flamberge" or "shotel"
I'm flipping through the Tae Kim anki deck before I start reading the guide and fuck the "translations" are funny
>Today is exam. / What about Jim? / Jim is tomorrow.
>Jim is the one that plays.
>Jim is the one that did not do.
>Person who is not student do not go to school.
>Bob's voice is fairly large.
When using the Tae Kim Grammar deck with a low knowledge of vocab, how do you grade yourself?
For example if you got to 学生じゃない and knew that じゃない meant "is not" but forgot what 学生 was, do you say you passed and continue in the deck or do you mark that as a failure?
When it comes to VNs, it tends to be that the only games with unique stories/premises are chuuni, and chuuni games of course have more difficult language than other things. However you can find plenty of interesting VNs that aren't chuuni (And thus have easier language), its just they arent as IN YOUR FACE cool like Muramasa or Silverio Vendetta or whatever. Well, thats for the modern industry anyway.
The problem is just that genuinely talented authors tend towards written media as opposed to VNs, or at least thats what I conclude looking at VNs. Opening a book and finding it to be well written is no surprise given the sheer quantity of talent but for VNs, finding quality writing is like finding pearls among swine. Not saying it doesn't exist, just that its by nature of reality harder to find. In my eyes, good writing tends to equate to interesting writing by the way. The quintessential example of this being Brothers Karamazov, an endlessly fascinating, interesting book that has practically 0 action, its carried by the quality of the author. Likewise a VN with good writing will be interesting by nature of the writing, most of the time.
Anyway, due to mixture of lack of talent, and trends set by forefathers, talented authors get spread between making Chuunige like Muramasa, or making obscure games no one plays. It's a shame. Well, perhaps the real shame is that Japanese fans endlessly drool over moege and thus THATS where the money is. Ridiculous. If moege productions ceased today the existing games would carry humanity for the rest of its life, for whoever cares about them.
thats a real cool opinion you have
Read as much as you can until you can read 3/5 as quickly as you can read English. N1 is not only about how much kanji and vocab you know, that's N2. Everybody here that have studied for a while can pass N2.
N1 is about reading and reading well.
You only say that because you haven't read Flyable Heart or Majikoi, they're both amazing. Despite their appearance as standard, fun SoL-style VNs, they both have high quality writing and well-developed plots and characters.
i havent read anything yet im still trucking through japanese the manga way
i just want to get through it quickly because i feel reading will make the stuff stick way better than just studying this book
honestly if you hate reading that, just move to what you want to read and use the appendix if it has one
chances are half of the stuff is going in and right back out anyway and youll need to refer back to it and other reference materials regardless
>in the 2 VNs I've read since then
I'd argue its useful to do a (quick) read-through of whatever grammar book you choose to go with as it will at least make you aware of the existence of the different grammar points so it's easier for you to figure out what you actually need to look back up.
Just a few moege that get memed here. Probably going to start branching out on my own a bit more though. Tempted to go read the Mayuri VN seeing how I thought Mayuri had a lot of potential. Seeing how you're a big Yuifag I don't see why you doubt me liking Amane so much though or assume that it's just because I haven't read many raw VNs yet. None of the others have really evoked the same feeling yet. Maybe I'll eventually find another one though.
>Its on the fucking Kanji Damage homepage holy shit.
>can't take any of the routes seriously because the group dynamic is so well set up
The Mayuri VN is definitely amazing, highly recommended. Also, you're definitely a lot better off reading what you're interesting in than the moege that get spammed here (Tonakoi etc., lol).
Of course I still love Yui, but there's been plenty of other girls who have been amazing and beautiful as well.
Jonas the Third? Are you fucking serious?
How do I mine a secondary entry in Rikaisama?
>read a simple word I recognise from anime
>the voice in my head is of the cute anime girl I learnt it from
Does this ever stop?
I hope not
I know what you mean, but that's part of what gives the routes such impact. Since you've developed such a strong bond with all the group members, to see the family break down for whatever reason in each of the routes is really powerful.
And you say that, but surely you're not counting Kazuko's route? It's one of the best things I've ever read in my life.
In cases where it's words that actually have different spelling in Rikai, just activate sticky mode and import the entry you want (you'll have to fix the sentence if you add those, though).
In cases like that what you have there you're kind of just screwed and have to more or less make it manually. Import the wrong one, edit the note, copy the correct definition and reading from Rikai (sticky mode lets you select text from the popup) then get the correct audio by typing in the reading and kanji to the place Rikai pulls its audio from or checking Forvo.
Example url of that word audio
Mind sharing the styling you have on your html? I was thinking of adding example styling to the pastebin for people to edit to suit their needs but I don't really use styling on it since I read off of the VN. Would save me a bit of time.
You got me excited to dive into grammar because I thought it would be easy.
Retard here, doing a jp college course and finding it pretty easy because it's designed for morons who need a language credit.
Anyway, so I've got the main anki deck (core 2k/6k optimized japanese vocabulary), and it's starting off with retarded stuff like "protein". Did I fuck up or is that something that whoever made the deck expects me to learn right away?
>less than 5500 words in anki
I can't learn Japanese
Here, this should have all info relating to how you edit the CSS style. Just save it as autoscroll.html or whatever.
Pic related is an example of the Aozora Mincho font. Very classy but I might go back to Gothic, not sure.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I have the highest retention out of anyone for Core2k, and I’ve been involved in numerous guided reads of Yotsuba, and I have over 300 confirmed mined words.
>nearly 20000 cards and not a single review until next month
I believe I have officially learned Japanese
Could anyone help me identify the manga used as examples in Japanese The Manga Way
I haven't learned a damn thing except those little shorts are made interesting as fuck.
I know one of them is "What's Michael?" but I really want to know the title of the one with the rice crop girl and the office guys/ladies.
Thanks Jamal, but I was wondering if there's anything in White Album 2 that would set it apart from a typical moege or charage in terms of difficulty that I wouldn't know about just from watching the anime and reading the description.
>sometimes the japs use katakana not because it's a loan-word, but because they want to sound cool or place emphasis on the word
Or just because it's a common things to do with mimetic words, like the one we are talking about?
White album 2 was somewhat difficult in a way that wasn't really related to the difficulty of the Japanese, but would be much more confusing if you aren't good at Japanese. Basically there will be 3-4 lines of narration in the middle of one continuous thought, so when the thought gets continued you have to look at the backlog do see what it is continuing from.
Can someone help me make sense of this?
What I don't understand is the volitional + to suru grammar that's being used here. It's really weird for this kind of grammar point to be used in this context.
i mean if you want just some boring baseline stats that dont tell you much other than white album 2 is fucking long, it has about 100 more unique kanji than きっと澄みわたる朝色よりも and twice as many lines of text
きっと澄みわたる朝色よりも is definitely not something as easy to digest as the likes of white album though
study up on 未然形 because a lot of verbs can work like this
I looked up the definition for that
Since the answer to his question was that the "とうとしていた" meant "about to happen" perhaps he is claiming it falls under the 「まだそうではない」という意味
>1 month away from 2 year anniversary of studying
Not sure how to feel. Currently feeling "despair" because at that point I feel one becomes more accountable for inadequacy.