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>tfw you realize you're just as bad at discriminating between politeness registers in english as you are in japanese
So I just read all of this http://exhentai.org/g/896565/2f90ab7f38/ and understood all of it aside from one thing on page 11 (pic related) I'm slightly confused about.
"The truth is if it's not possible for me to be your special imouto I hate it" or something like that, anyway that one is OK no problem but the next one :
I'm not sure to get the meaning she wanted to convey. I'm confused about the 妹のままじゃ, like, what is the じゃ doing here alone like that?
Context for those too lazy to read the whole thing : she's jealous of the fact that Cocoa has other imoutos aside from her, little girl problems, etc.
There is a Tower called 'God's Tower'. And at the bottom of it any wish comes true. Afterwards this follows up in brackets. Literally nothing happens beforehand as this is the beginning of the text.
>forced to watch M*A*S*H* (the movie) in lit class
>it's pretty stupid
>sometimes Japanese songs come on so that's nice to listen to
>get to the part where they go to Japan
>they're just speaking gibberish and passing it off as Japanese
>hai hai shakuwaka mai marablasdflkjh ikimashuu
20min to do my reps because it resets. What should I do? I can't change the time because it's going to be midnight in an hour so if I do that it'll skip a day since anki is retarded.
And no I can't do my reps properly in 20min.
It was based on a book so it's okay I guess. We're using it to talk about post-modernism. Can't say I'm thrilled.
>じゃ is just doing what it always does. If I'm just/still a sister, THEN I hate it.
I got it now. Thanks.
Okay, is there a list of Kanji I may use for this kind of literary/stylistic purpose? I'm planning to write a book in Nihongo and this kind of information is very interesting to me.
if it's not too much trouble, could you list me a few ichidan / group 1 verbs?
the text I'm reading is emphasizing on group 2 / godan verbs big time and not much on the group 1
which group is easier to conjugate?
I've been updating all the descriptions though, that's quite a big job to do if you ask me. As for the updates on the reading list itself, I've tried to promote it but nobody really seems to actually care enough to contribute so, yeah.
>start learning japanese
>stick at it for a good while
>feels good, get through a lot of vocab
>go on holiday for two weeks
>no time for reps
>they pile up
>too hard to catch up, give up
>months later I try again
>lose interest fast
>reset the deck and started again today
This time I swear I'll stick at it!
epubs are just zips with metadata. You can convert it to a .txt or .html or something with calibre, or you can extract the html files and read it in your browser, or hell, you can even read epubs with SumatraPDF.
Also make sure to change the font in your settings to one you like (aka メイリオ for both serif and sans serif). I only had it on sans serif and not serif so コノスバ looked like shit. You'll also want to zoom in probably.
Didn't have a smart phone nor a laptop
>30 minutes a day for my reps
This I never understood. You fucks are always so much faster with reps then I am. I had it set to 50 new cards a day and I spent at the 2 hours on Anki daily, if I was lucky I'd have a spell where I could actually remember shit and It would only take me 1 and a half hours.
How do you guys get through your reps so fast? I have to repeat most cards 4-5 times before they sink in unless they are really simple shit.
heres some verbs. i dont like tipping people off when i make a joke but these are arranged in a meaningful way
i dont know what a group is i dont do groups
conjugation isnt a skill so asking for its difficulty is fruitless
>if it's not too much trouble, could you list me a few ichidan / group 1 verbs?
Click on 段活用の一覧 for a larger list in each category.
That's because aside from a cor-kun and a few random anons every now and then, no one else contributes to anything pertaining to the thread aside memes and shitposting.
>that's quite a big job to do if you ask me.
I'm sure copy and paste is exhausting. It's a little wonder there has been almost no improvement since cor-kun fucked off.
>I'm sure copy and paste is exhausting. It's a little wonder there has been almost no improvement since cor-kun fucked off.
Still better than doing nothing and complaining, eh?
>I've done more than you anon.
This claim is rather meaningless in an anonymous imageboard.
>You are nothing but a mediocre prick and a fucking joke.
Sure anon, vent your anger all you want. It won't change anything though. It's not my fault people don't care about the reading list. I won't add stuff I haven't read just because nobody else does it.
desu I never thought the reading list was a great idea and at least for VNs I don't think it contributes anything more useful than the recommendation images we already have do. Better just to create an "easy ln" and "easy manga" recommendation image and call it a day.
Trying to classify everything by difficulty is arbitrary and pointless.
people already tried this and it ends up with people being told to read yotsubato and hanahira which then leads to suicide in 6 out of 9 users
i think the easy reading list should just consist of this:
I always thought it would be cool if there were links to pastebins of japanese text copied down from manga, so we could use rikaichan on it.
But I guess that's neither here nor there.
The recommendation image for VNs has more than just hanahira. It even has a couple things that are genuinely decent like Eustia.
Ika musume would be an obvious addition to manga. And I'm sure manga experts can think of more.
Pokemon and other baby games like Yokai Watch are baby easy, Final Fantasies and the like are on the level of a shitty LN, megaten is a bit harder.
The only hard to read JRPGs are the ones made by eroge developers, like Utawarerumono.
I think the idea was more for anons that have finished reading something to write in the list how difficult they would rate the VN/Manga/whatever, not necessarily to classify everything.
And it will be wildly inconsistent because people have different standards of difficulty. It's hard even to rate difficulty consistently with yourself, because as you read more you get better at japanese and things seem easier.
And my point is that having difficulty ratings for a ton of stuff is pointless, because what beginners need is just to be spoonfed a small list of easy stuff to start out with. If you aren't a beginner you should just be reading whatever the fuck you want anyway, and should be able to judge for yourself how hard things are.
The thing with those "Easy VN" recommendations is, VNs are way too fucking long. By the time you finish a mid sized VN you might go from total shitter to a decent reader, totally forget how you struggled in the beginning and think "oh shit, that was easy despite being my first VN, gotta recommend it to anyone".
> If you aren't a beginner you should just be reading whatever the fuck you want anyway, and should be able to judge for yourself how hard things are.
I agree, but I don't think anyone's ever made rec charts for beginner games, books, etc. What's on the spreadsheet is a good place to start, I guess, but anything that isn't a VN probably also doesn't work with a text hooker (and/or the resolution is so shitty that you can't make out what's being said).
Aside from Black & White and XY you shouldn't waste your time with all the previous games as they don't have Kanji or too little of them to be of any use. Games in Hiragana are as such because they're originally aimed at Japanese kids, not Japanese learners.
>Games in Hiragana are as such because they're originally aimed at Japanese kids, not Japanese learners.
Not necessarily. It's usually because they couldn't use kanji because of the resolution. B&W and XY haven't suddenly started getting serious and for adults you know.
Not feasible because no texthook
Any LN readable in browser with rikai, except maybe stuff like Jintai and Bakemonogatari.
You'll stop being a beginner pretty fast as long as you keep reading something, so what's even the point.
if youre asking that question then i think the answer is "youre gonna learn a shitload of words you didnt know before and its going to take you 300 hours to read it and maybe youll understand roughly what happens overall"
I'm about to start going through the Core 2k/6k optimized deck, though I'm wondering if it's okay that my eyes usually gloss over the kanji of vocabulary I don't know and just read the kana in the sentence?
I figure most of the words/kanji that are unfamiliar at first will be introduced later, so this is probably a stupid question.
Right I formulated this wrongly.
All I meant for anon is that reading only Hiragana games to us is really frustrating and not worth it as oppose to Japanese who wouldn't have a hard time reading those, thus anon should look into BW and XY or other games that aren't only riddled with Kana.
ル イ ズ ち ゃ ん は 現実 じ ゃ な い？にゃあああああああああああああん！！うぁああああああああああ！！
Is it saying the research team started 4 years ago researching AI and researching novel writing.
Started researching using AI to write novel.
The subject is the research group, and the -te form would indicate that the two verbs are two seperate actions (if it were a verb modifying a noun it would be 使う)??
>Started researching using AI to write novel.
>(if it were a verb modifying a noun it would be 使う)??
Uhm, yes. But I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. 人工知能を使って小説を書く modifies 研究, basically.
>4CHAN IS MY WHOLE LIFE I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED AND EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING OVER /a/ PLEASE MODS DO SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE HAVING PLEASANT CHATS THIS CAN'T GO ON LIKE THIS ANYMORE I CAN'T TAKE IT HELP
I'd argue trying to understand the example sentences/how they are constructed is a good way to solidify some of the grammar you are learning early on, but yeah that other anon is correct it's not actually important that you can read the sentences.
Focus on how Kanji are read and how they form words, try to notice patterns and shits. Trust me that's almost all that matters with core. Read / listen to each example sentence at least once but that's it, focus on the words that's showed to you before anything else.
What does "Baka ni shinaide kureru" mean when followed by "!?" as the punctuation? The sentence doesn't seem like a question (rather, it seems like an order), but it has a question mark. How would this be translated?
Are there any subs that are tailored towards learning Japanese by listening naturally, e.g. keeping some words in Japanese and preserving as much of the word order as possible? Perhaps have a few "levels" of tracks, where when you get more than comfortable in the track you're currently on, you can switch to the next one for something more challenging?
Having a similar problem. I feel like I'm understanding the general situation/context in english but not understanding the actual kanji as I read them.
It is not this.
That structure is not a question, but it is followed by a question mark. So what does it mean? Is it a question or not?
Ok. Then I'll repeat: What does "バカにしないでくれる" mean when followed by "!?" as the punctuation? The sentence doesn't seem like a question (rather, it seems like an order), but it has a question mark. How would this be translated?
Yes, I know. I could gather mostly what it meant if it was presented similar to e.g. "Yui は Akari の dog が likes", where it doesn't even try to match English grammar but still be legible and useful if you understand already some basic grammar rules and structure
I knew that but only caught myself after posting it. You get what I mean thought right? Not subs built for normal watching but geared towards learning
Not all the words, but just to help with understanding the syntax and grammar better, while being able to pick up vocab from the words being spoken.
at first i suppose there's not much of a choice. but think about it this way. when you hear or read or absorb anything in your native language, you just "get it". the meaning comes with the words. the instant you receive them, they signify their proper concepts in your mind.
what i mean however, is that when i'm watching or reading something in japanese, the words don't yet signify the concepts they're supposed to entirely. instead, they signify english words to me. so instead of signifying their concept, they signify another signifier, if that makes sense.
thanks for the reassurance.
I asked the same question about two threads ago. The grammar is difficult, the vocabulary is relatively easy in comparison. Also, the wordplay is insane. You might be able to understand it even if you're somewhat of a beginner, but you won't get all the subtleties.
This seems right. Can anyone else vouch for this?
>confirming whether the person really バカにしないでくれる
But isn't バカにしないでくれる a "stop it" order? If it was バカにしてくれる , I could see it as "Are you making fun of me!?", but with しないで, I don't see how that can be.
>ないで is only a request if ください is attached or implied.
I thought it was since I consider くれ(る) as a downgraded version of ください.
>ばかにしないでくれる is just a negative of ばかにしてくれる: You aren't making fun of me!?
Doesn't this give the implication that the speaker doesn't think the other person is making fun of them? Because in the context, the person is assuming they are being made fun of, which is why they spoke.
> It's no good for your learning if you just insist to people telling you the answer they're wrong, you know.
I know, but I did not do that, so I don't know why you are mentioning that. Indication confusion for a response is not an "instance to people telling you the answer they're wrong" as you are claiming.
>I thought it was since I consider くれ(る) as a downgraded version of ください.
Honestly, you should stop 'considering' things. It's not as simple as that. What did you read? TK? JtMW?
You're welcome. You really should take some of the others' advice and look further into grammar though. This is a really simple sentence.
>What did you read? TK? JtMW?
Random manga, genki + tobira
>I think the best advice for you is just to read more
I am, then I encountered a confusing sentence, then I asked for help, and I got some, along with someone telling me I should read more. if you mean "grammar books" by "read", then yes, I should do more I suppose.
> And don't ever use romaji again
I did not know that it was such a taboo thing do here.
I know everything on that page. Notice that it does not cover しないで＋+くれる (くれ is different a bit, and anyways, that pages doesn't tell you how to interpret if it is followed by a question mark)
It actually has an example where くれる is used to make a request in form of a question. You should be able to work out the negative yourself, particularly with how it compares it with ください.
I'm past it now, but I did use to for my basic basic learning.
Perhaps I am blind, but I literally only see one example question on that page, and it is a usage of くれる as a standalone verb with no preceding して or しないで.
The issue I had was ばかにしないでくれる at face value to me seems (perhaps I am mistaken) to equal ばかにしないでくれ which to me means "Don't make fun of me" i.e. an order. It was not at all obvious to me how to turn an order into a question that still has the feel of an order.
>perhaps I am mistaken
Yes, you were. That's a pretty common phrase you'll encounter a lot while reading. Apart from reading grammar guides and random manga, what did you actually read?
>That's a pretty common phrase you'll encounter a lot while reading.
I've seen it, but with the meaning of "He isn't making fun of me (good for me", which isn't applicable in this case.
> Apart from reading grammar guides and random manga, what did you actually read?
Alright. Perhaps what I thought was obvious enough really wasn't for you in the end.
Not much more to do but to keep reading since it really is a common pattern. And do ask stuff here if you need to. I think people just reacted somewhat badly because you sounded a bit arrogant for someone asking such a question.
>I've seen it, but with the meaning of "He isn't making fun of me (good for me", which isn't applicable in this case.
I meant the しないでくれる construction. That's pretty damn common.
That's a problem. I mean, reading only manga is fine, but don't get into the trap of thinking you know a good deal about the language just because you have some grammar. Someone with 'only' TK under its belt but a lot of reading is better-prepared than someone with TK, Genki and Tobira who hasn't read much.
>Not much more to do but to keep reading since it really is a common pattern. And do ask stuff here if you need to.
> I think people just reacted somewhat badly because you sounded a bit arrogant for someone asking such a question.
Maybe that was the case (that and apparently using romaji at all is a big no-no)
I don't even know what comedians read?
Question: If the sentence was the same, but with a question mark/-ka at the end, like
Could it be interpreted as "How many bicycles do we/you own?" or would it have to be 何台持っていますか?
I feel compelled
Seriously how is the reader supposed to be interpreting this? Because I can only think of dirty stuff.
They wouldn't put that in yotsubato would they?
If so I need to read some more of this shit
I can squeeze in simple reviews throughout my day, but sitting down and reading full pages of information is something else. I have like 30 minutes of free time when I get home. Keep projecting and making assumptions, anon.
I dont get the posts on 2chan.
"I bought the 10000 yen labeled 松葉 crab
Now i will roast the whelk and shellfish, and the leftover chicken neck from yesterday.
Bottom left: When I arrived to take a rest at the scenic spot, I realized I forgot the gas. (??? hes using a electric grill in the photo)
Bottom right: A whale resembling shellfish.
Offnote: After googling, many names come from their resemblance of female genitalia (y/n????)
Compared to a whale my sex drive low (???)
Rate my translation:
"Things that inspire a nostalgic feeling or interesting things, various genres covered, shallow and wide in a rambling way. Up until 2012 the author was "tome", afterwards it was about the two of us, our rennovation"
It's a meme, muramasa is one of the easiest things your can read.
>While lazing around, we cover broadly and shallowly various genres filled with interesting or nostalgia-evoking things. Until around 2012 the articles were (by) "Tome," but since then it's been changed to be (from) the "Aka-oji (Nomura)" pair.
I think it's more like this, though I'm sure I've messed up as well.
While widely cover shallow things nostalgia makes things and interesting to feel from a variety of genres we have been hanging out. Articles until about 2012, "stop", it later has been updated with two people of "Akasofu (Nomura)."
what she be sayian'? something female name thereabouts liking to eat
you cant skip a 4th floor they are just lying to themselves and sweeping it under the rug
the japanese way to do things. thats why despite such high population density, reported crime rate is low
In manga it's okay, but for novels and VNs the text is just harder to read for some reason. Maybe I'm just not used to it, but parsing horizontal text feels much more natural. Not to mention if you only have scans of the LN, most of the time you either have to leave the text small or scroll up and down to read every single line. It's irritating.
I actually prefer vertical text in VNs since for me it's less of a pain on the eyes compared to a full wall of horizontal text for some reason.
Is this saying they want their senpai to make them feel good, or they want their senpai to feel good?
For other users of the autoscroll html with furigana inserter's clipboard monitor, is there any way to change the font color? Changing the background color was easy enough but I don't know any HTML or CSS so I don't know how to work with text that appears after the document has already been saved.
In the html file immediately under the line where it says <head> (third line) insert the following:
Change #c92525 to whatever color it is that you want. Should work.
This is going to make things even worse for you.
A few days, not really a lot. "A couple of days".
Used when you don't know the date or anything specific enough to pin down to a certain period. "which day was that thing happening on again?"
That sort of thing.
Is わかってんだけど positive or negative?
Also what the hell is a スタンばった? Google has some results of it being used on twitter and shit, but all moon with no hint of its meaning.
I don't really care. I just want people to stop fighting. Unless someone is really being a bother, I don't see any reason not to let them be. That way everyone can be peaceful and happy.
Namefagging/avatarfagging/tripfagging is still looked down on and discouraged, though. imouto is just an exception because of how helpful he is. Hell, he's personally helped me several times with questions I doubt anyone else in the thread could've answered as succinctly and quickly. I don't really see what the big deal is. Only issue I take with him is when he makes random off topic posts that don't really have any useful trivia or information in it. Would be nice if he at least used pictures cute little girls from other anime too, but whatever.
Oh geez, can you please just google and find some threads in the archive or something?
No matter how calmly someone explains it to you it's going to start a shitstorm that will derail the thread.
and you can just put up with the odd ball "fuck off" comment every so often can't you?
Isn't that at least better than starting up a huge argument over it? You're never going to make it stop anyway.
His English is shit enough that he'd still be explaining it in Japanese, which is something that is very very rare outside of imouto's posts, so even if he did that, everyone would still know that it's him. Still don't see the issue here.
He could, but he does not. Either way, what's the problem? I think his photos of Ichigo Marshmallow girls are cute.
The question is, why are you so up in arms? Why not just let everyone relax, take it easy, and learn this interesting language?
Guys how to you retain new vocab? I'm using Anki and its so frustrating because I'm looking at it and attempting to memorize the information but it just wont stick! I can go through the same word several times and still not have it down! Today I spent an hour and 45 minutes going through 200 something cards before I cleared the deck for today. How do you guys do it?
p.s plz no bully. I'm trying my best and want to get better.
>The question is, why are you so up in arms?
>about a namefag
You've got to be fucking kidding.
Anyway, this imouto poster doesn't need you fighting his battles for him. If you're really as ignorant about why people hate attention whores here as you seem, then just take my advice on this, you fighting their battles for them is literally one of the major reasons they're disliked. So you're making it worse by not just ignoring it.
I agree with everyone saying Imouto isn't a big deal though, and if he's not even a native english speaker then he might not even understand why people don't like it either.
If you want it to stop, you're going to have to just ignore posts like this >>138981825
It's the only way.
You know whats funny, I actually think this would help. I'm hoping for a more cost effective and healthy method though. I thought about using nemonics for every vocab word but that would take so fucking long.
>Explain to me why can't he do it without being a fucking attention whore?
he does do it without being an attention whore. some people give him extra attention for absolutely no reason however, like you're doing. on top of that, about 80% of his posts are helpful AND without a name/avatar/whatever of some sort. he uses identifying features to indicate a specific category of posts.
He's breaking global rule #13
>Do not use avatars or attach signatures to your posts.
Seriously you'd all do best to just stop needlessly drawing attention to the issue.
The mods are so unpredictable so I won't say he'd get banned if people started reporting him for that, but do you really want to find out?
Is standing up to the big bad "fuck off" posters really so important to you?
I know I'm looking at your stats for Anki. They appear to be quite good. I've read the guide and it doesn't mention methods for improved retention of vocab anywhere.
The "fuck off" posters are way more annoying than the fact that he puts a named image in his posts. If you were on DJT long enough to know, then you'd know that before he started avatarfagging, people were still able to clearly identify him and told him to fuck off then too. Whining about him is a waste of energy. Hell, this argument is a waste of energy. I'm going back to reading.
I despise avatarfags. The reasons should be pretty clear if you have spent even a small amount of time on this site.
So using an avatar isn't considered being an attention whore? What constitutes being an attention whore then?
Fine, RTK = Remembering the Kanji.
Not me though, you replied to two different people.
>it doesn't mention methods for improved retention of vocab anywhere.
Aren't phrases used for that purpose on the core deck?
I don't care too much honestly. The "fuck off" posts should be ignored. I'm not even part of this argument really, I just made a big, fat (but very possibly true) lie about the guy. However I would like to say that actual shitposting is tremendously, appallingly worse than some guy who makes good posts with a similar group of pictures.
>What constitutes being an attention whore then?
Shitposting; arguing about benign stuff
Yeah the phrases help a lot with remembering what the kanji or hiragana mean, the problem I have is remembering how to say it. So I can see the kanji for "time" for example and know it means time, I just cant remember how to say it.
Some will tell you to use RTK, but others like me will tell you to use KanjiDamage.
I personally don't care about the mnemonics, but they're there for those particularly shitty-to-remember kanji.
Not him. If I could ask one thing of you, it would be to try to view this issue as a matter of common decency rather than 4chan or /a/ culture. Imouto is not harming anyone, but rather helping them, so there should be no problem. There is only a problem when you view it as one.
>and you've clearly not been on 4chan long enough to know what you're talking about.
One's views on this matter are irrelevant to how long one has been on this site. I have been around for several years. I used to be very passionate about backseat modding and preserving /a/'s rules and culture. Whenever a trip would post, I would reply with the usual "you seem to have made a mistake" copypasta, since I took anonymity so seriously. Whenever someone made a post with slightly incorrect grammar, I'd send them to >>>/v/. I learned the syntax for imgur filenames, and if I ever noticed one on /a/ I would check it on google to see if the file was from reddit, and if so then report them and tell them to get the hell out.
But years have gone by now, and honestly, I don't care anymore. I have run out of fervor. The mods do not care nearly as much as the users do about preserving /a/'s culture and trying to save the board all by yourself is a fruitless endeavor. As time has passed, I have realized that caring so much whether someone uses a similar image with their post or not is about the least productive thing you could be doing with your time.
Perhaps that is a bit ironic coming from someone who has spent the last half hour in this discussion, admittedly. But that's just because I want all of these tensions to disperse. DJT should be a nice, easygoing community of language-learners. Hostilities and vitriol lead nowhere.
In my opinion, on its own it's not really attention-whoring. But don't get me wrong, most of the time it IS attention-whoring. However I don't really find it to be an issue on its own. It only seems to become a problem when people like to post to the thread that they have a problem with it. It just seems kind of arbitrary to me.
Let's just drop it, I don't think this kind of discussion belongs here. And I apologize for participating.
Well think about hands moving around a clock. If they move too slowly, then the clock will be wrong. I wouldn't imagine it being just an American thing...