New Episode soon.
Any chance on a Gaen OP?
I can dream right?
What did Yozuru and Kaiki study together at university?
She explicitly mentions they shared a major AND that they were in the same club together but I seriously doubt that Yozuru and Kaiki would really share the same sort of end goals for life unless they both took something Oddity related.
Though I would laugh if Yozuru was a business major before dealing in ass-kicking.
Araragi's never in the commentary tracks
also is there even enough in Koyo for them to warrant doing a commentary? On top the anime cutting out a lot of the banter, not much actually happens in most of these episodes
The point is, either all of them are believable or none of them are. When exactly do these characters sit down to write their songs? I doubt Senjougahara and Kaiki really had a duet for fun. Actually, same goes for the commentaries.
It would be Koyomin getting shit on for 24 minutes straight.
I'd watch that
I was more thinking for Shinobu Mail where the main characters are Araragi, Kanbaru, Gaen and Shinobu.
I would guess the commentary for Koyo would just go to the people in the individual episodes.
Though if Araragi doesn't do commentaries then I'm liking my chances for a Gaen commentary since the only non-Gaen one is Kanbaru/Shinobu which while being the most likely, still gives me a 2/3 chance of Gaen
>implying Gaen's masterplan to deal with Ougi wasn't just copious amounts of rape until Ougi starts admitting she's Gaen's ero slave and inadvertently staving away the Darkness by changing the meaning of what it means to be "Oshino Ougi"
they have a show for summer and it's called
sayonara zetsubou sensei 116 days to go
>dresses like a scooby doo character
>being able to rape anyone
It'd just end up with Koyomi and futa Ougi double teaming her to the point where even she has to occasionally stop talking due to gasps of pleasure
Thinking about it. Winter isn't that long away.
Plus we have been on a fueled mono ride. Had Owari vol 1-2 adaption last season done. Then we got Kizu part 1 finally, the new LN and the ONA. Plus someone is actually translating Owari vol 3. Been an alright year start and end for last.
The only person that can sorta make Gaen bend is Yozuru Kagenui and even that Gaen still fucks Yozuru by being the second pettiest person in the show by denying her the chance to use her powers.
Why the fuck are Kaiki and Gaen such petty assholes?
Kaiki uses Yozuru to spite Araragi and Gaen denies Yozuru to spite Yozuru.
Exorcist novel when?
Eh I can't complain as just glad no delays for the release of the Kizu parts. God damn hyped.
Plus still hoping actual relevant plot continues from Kiss-shots master appearing in the future LN's.
> the season after that
Kizu 1 BD
Yoh Yoshinari is working on Kizu 2 animation.
Amazing how from their whole relationship in Kizu and somehow Shinobu goes all lewd around Araragi for fun. Wonder why she went that way. Either way can't wait for the Kiss-shot in Owari vol 3 as Araragi and Kiss-shot are adorable there.
Hope they extend the fight scene or add new things. Even if not that at least make if gore. Why else go a movie if you can't add some to the extreme.
I guess after a while Shinobu got used to her younger form, and with the addition of her more social lifestyle ((comparatively to how she was as Kisshot for ages)), She was likely able to relax more and play around, it's already clear whatever "vampire pride" she had during Kizu was thrown out the window, even if she doesn't acknowledge it.
Seems like they'd make it pretty gory in Kizu 3, considering
the last fight is 90% just Araragi and Kisshot eviscerating each other
Not sure about Dramaturgies fight though, I remember Araragi throwing shit at him, but not specifically if anything caused a lot of damage before Dramaturgie surrenders.
I feel you anon. Reading Kizu after already getting pretty far into the monogatari series just made me really appreciate Shinobu and Araragi way more as characters, as well as their relationship to each other.
It also made me a lot more scared of Hanekawa.
I hope Nisio actually goes somewhere with that. I've got the feeling that it won't, what with Koyomi seemingly having reached the end of his arc and all (being a goofier Oshino Meme who drives a car that looks like a bar of soap)
There are to be two more LN's this year. Bet that the one after Waza will be when part 2 Kizu comes out. Either way Musubimono will be where it happens or not. Oh god I missed the feeling of not knowing where things shall go.
She loves Araragi and likes to work him up. Honestly they both are morons who fit together. Wouldn't be surprised if Shinobu was in teen form more that something would happen.
There's a reason I love Shinobu but don't really care for Kissshot, and it has nothing to do with being a lolicon. She changed a lot, and the powers/name thing was a big pivot point for her.
Seems like it's just a matter of opinion at this point.
In Kizu he still retains that kind of prickly anti-social look about him, plus he looks a lot younger, obviously.
Hana Araragi just has a more softer look, is visibly older, and looks more gentle. Even when he's being a creepy incestuous asshole he manages to pass it off in a cool way.
Maybe 20% done with the translation. It's slow work. I'll post my progress in two hours.
I got the raw by pulling this stream out of my browser cache:
Let's see if timing-kun is around.
>back in kindergarten, when I punched some irritating kid. Thinking about it now, that brat might have been possessed by some awful thing or another, too. Though that was from back before I specialized in immortal oddities.
This chick has issues.
Was already working on it. Cheap-ass DSL and all that.
No idea if this is a re-encode of some other thing or not.
>It also made me a lot more scared of Hanekawa.
Hanekawa is a sweet, kind, girl though.
Even with her facade broken, that remained a true thing as explained in Neko White.
How you could fear her when she was such a bro in Kizu I dunno.
I would have to pay literally 5 times the normal price for it to reach my shitty country and the chances of it getting here broken are more than 80% as it happened when I got the Lain BD
Phew. That took forever.
Note that this is just a script, not subtitles. Someone will have to time it and make a subtitles file.
In the meantime, those desperate enough can open this in a notepad window on the side and follow along.
>bought Shinobu literally 100 donuts in order to have a shot at winning against Kagenui
>Kaiki uses Yozuru to spite Araragi
Kaiki may have been counting on Araragi managing to appeal to Kagenui's sense of justice when he told her Tsukihi is a phoenix. Remember, Kaiki is a good guy.
Thanks for the subs
Araragi is a smooth motherfucker sometimes.
So does getting your blood sucked by a vamp feel good in this world? This scene made me think so, is there anything actually confirming it?
we'll never know, I'm sure it hurts when she gets her teeth inside
Why didn't he ask Ononoki what their relationship was? Already being a part of his harem, she's obligated to answer by contract.
And why is Kagenui hanging around the shrine? Is that where she lives after Tsuki?
That was a nice episode overall.
>Why didn't he ask Ononoki what their relationship was?
Yeah he could've done that. I know in the LNs that her eccentricness is more defined and that she speaks in hard-to-understand nonsense a lot more than the anime makes her out to do but he still should've tried.
>And why is Kagenui hanging around the shrine? Is that where she lives after Tsuki?
I think her hanging around the shrine has something to do with Gaen but I'm not sure, I'm only going by what others have said. Maybe the Koyo Nothing LN goes into more detail about this, despite the fact that barely anything happens in these shorts Shaft is still somehow managing to cut out entire chapters worth of conversation for most of these episodes
Well he's not wrong. If he was a man worthy of Kagenui Yozuru then he would be a great man in the truest sense of the word.
Had he been a man worthy of Yozuru when he fought Seishiro, he would have had fair ground to argue that while Seishiro is a chosen one, he himself is also a chosen one whilst also being Shinobu's chosen and as such, the best option.
Ideally in that situation, Shinobu should have listened to Kanbaru's advice for a triad and fallen into greed, carried the heavy weight that came with the love from both servants and given everyone a happy ending.
However this series actively loves and hates harem so Shinobu doing that would never happen.
>Had he been a man worthy of Yozuru when he fought Seishiro, he would have had fair ground to argue that while Seishiro is a chosen one, he himself is also a chosen one whilst also being Shinobu's chosen and as such
Is it just a matter of strength? I would've thought that after the conclusion of Kizu + the events of Mayoi Jiangshi would've made this fact apparant enough to Shinobu already. It definitely sucks for Seishiro but Araragi didn't really have anything to prove here.
>and given everyone a happy ending
I can't imagine any of the three people in that scenario being happy about it, honestly
Araragi and Seishiro both agreed that Seishiro was a "Chosen one" I suspect they mean that more in the "Chosen by the heavens" sense as in he was a great man to Araragi's humble loser.
Yozuru being greater than Seishiro means that if Araragi was worthy of her, even if it was just in fighting strength then he'd be much more "chosen" than Seishiro.
>NisiO will never write a story about the exorcist's at college.
>We'll never ever find out what Kagenui and Kaiki studied at university
>We'll never get to see how Gaen managed to get the Gaen Network to ragequit
Shinobu had to make a choice about her partners and decided on completely supporting Araragi because trying to go for an end with both of them would hurt Araragi no matter how hard he might try to deny it and making Araragi as happy as she possibly can was more important to her than Seishirou's life.
It was the best choice from her point of view and you can be damn sure she didn't make it likely. She just cares about Araragi that much more.
I very regrettably understand her reasoning for picking Araragi over Seishiro and from a pragmatist point of view, I do wholeheartedly agree with her choice but the idealist and optimist in me wishes that she could have reconciled her love for Araragi, her wish to support him for as long as she can and that she had been able to bring some sort of outcome where Seishiro's mental state would allow him to peacefully co-exist with humanity so that he wouldn't have to be exterminated by Episode and/or failing that, Yozuru.
Seishiro, still being alive somewhere and getting on with his life after being rejected would be ideal, but I have no idea how that would happen and anything short of it would be disastrous.
>Why didn't he ask Ononoki what their relationship was?
Does Ononoki know about her life before being reanimated? I could've sworn she said something to effect of her not being able to remember anything before Gaen & co put her together
Her poor donuts
He feels light euphoria when she sucks his blood. It's confirmed in Kizu.
This looks totally fine when I look at my monitor from some angles and like complete shit from others, but the original has a lot of the same artefacts, so I guess it's a good job overall.
The conversation with Kagenui was nice, I'm sure her hardly ever showing up is partly to do with it but she just feels pretty different to have around compared to everyone else. Koyomi trying to take serious steps to better himself is cool too.
Oh shit, I just realized. I totally forgot to translate the second line here.
>I can no longer be allowed to raise my vampirism any more than it is now.
>However, the idea of borrowing Shinobu's powers is still good.
And then Araragi goes and tells Hanekawa he has someone and rejects her offer because he can't commit. Then asks her to stay with him in his room. She was right to give him the "no thanks".
And then he has the nerve to say she is "my Hanekawa". The guys couldn't commit if he tried.
>And then he has the nerve to say she is "my Hanekawa".
Hanekawa does the same thing with him even after Tsubasa Tiger, to be fair. Not that this dismisses what Araragi is doing here but she's pretty fucked in the head herself frankly, this motherly relationship she enjoys with him now is creepy at best.
As a "it's slapstick, don't think too hard about it" bit, it's fine. But in the context of their relationship it's basically shitting all over Shinobu's pride as a vampire for no reason and, as flimsy as that facade is, that's still really important to her.
Not as much so when you remember they made a promise as friends in Nise to go to the ends of the world for each other if need be. She is just keeping her end of the promise.
She helps Araragi, but it's for Gahara too, after all she helped plan the date they have in Hitagi Rendezvous.
Not that anon but pic related gets to her.
No, not really? She's just being friends with him. I can't remember one time post-Tsubasa Tiger that she did anything that could be construed as coming onto him. There's not really anything creepy about that unless you think they can't continue being friendly with each other after the rejection.
>I can't remember one time post-Tsubasa Tiger that she did anything that could be construed as coming onto him.
there was the method she used to get Koyomi to take her along over Ougi to Sodachi's apartment in Sodachi Lost
What >>138868122 says. Ougi wants to cut off his support, which is why she expelled Oshino and Kagenui from the town and tried to get Kaiki killed. The only reason Gaen is untouched is because she has the demon swords, which protects her from the barrier Ougi set up.
Which retard is cuter, Karen or Michiru?
Is that why Ougi has pangs of wanting Hanekawa to smile at her whilst being elated when she gets angry enough to tell her to step outside?
But at the same time, why would he get scared and start freaking out saying "Hanekawa can't lose" when Ougi is verbally throwing down on her.
Araragi is really messed up when you think about it.
Too lazy and stupid.
>Shinobu literally makes him a gun
that's pretty fucking funny
>Hey Karen can anon stop being pathetic loser?
>Koyomi thought that Karen was just being "dumb" as usual
>immediately manages to figure out what Kagenui was thinking
Getting Koyomi to hand over control of breast fondling rights was probably her master plan all along
Tell you all what is the one mystery I want solved out of the series in the future LN's or anything. How the hell did Oshino end up going into the Hawaiian shirt fashion, The fact Kagenui said he was wearing it in Uni when they met just baffles me.
>inb4 the shirts them selves are oddities.
>laid back stoner type of guy wearing a shirt associated with easy living and tourists
Maybe he met an islander or went there. Plus short sleeved button downs in general are comfy and easy to wear (that's why fat monsters wear bowling shirts).
It's because of Gaen, as usual.
>Kagenui & Tadatsuru were cursed to be unable to touch the ground
>Kaiki was cursed to live as miserable forever-alone kike
>and Meme was cursed to wear tacky Hawaiian shirts for the rest of his life
>and Meme was cursed to wear tacky Hawaiian shirts for the rest of his life
You done fucked up now, Araragi. Those hawaiian shirts have deeper meaning.
Anyone and their mother knows the Hawaiin shirt symbolizes Oshino's need to be a tourist or in another word "an outsider" to every situation.
Only retards don't understand this fact even though it's plain as day but you knew that, right anon?
I don't get Kagenui's curse. The floor is lava, but she can stand on people and things like mailboxes. But she already wears tall shoes. Shouldn't she already be able to touch the floor? Would she be okay on stilts? It'd be like how Seishirou was able to stand on a cross because he was wearing shoes, although that was bullshit to me.
Are you feeling energetic, anon? Did something good happen?
I'm pretty sure this is illegal
I'm sure Koyomi would manage to find a loophole. It's the one thing the latter parts of the story have been showing him to be consistently good at doing, the guy can be surprisingly cunning when it counts (sometimes)
I think Tadatsuru said something about how he and Kagenui got cursed because they tried to rise too up high or something like that.
I guess it is an analogy for haughtiness due being talented or something along those lines.
>I'm pretty sure this is illegal
He specified that he would only fondle her with her consent, so it is only sort of illegal. Consider the small age gap it probably isn't illegal at all in most places.
Mid-high since her personality might allow for some sexy use of them.
These are weird feet. Result of 13 years of pummeling.
So was there anything in Owari worth waiting till the BD's for?
Fanservice, gore, etc? The last few seasons had been rather tame focusing more on story than that kind of stuff, but I keep thinking I'll eventually see arararagi get bifurcated or ripped to shreds again, and I hate that black shadows out of no where shit.
She's such a good imouto.
RRG managed to be thing that made me properly reevaluate my sexuality. I've been attracted to guys in the past, years ago, but I've always dismissed that just the confusion of being a teenager in puberty. But the fact that now, as a grown man, I find RRG the most attractive person I've ever seen, with the most loveable personality I've ever experienced, has convinced me that I'm not as straight as I thought I was.
oh gosh, theyre both drawn so darn cute
does this one get really lewd or does it stay relatively pure
Pure I guess, some semi-outdoor (sort of) sex but that's the wildest it gets
it's probably one of the most vanilla-y Kanbaru doujins around but it's relatively in-character for the arc too, which has it's own appeal
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TSUKIHI?!
so, what do you guys think skeehee's reaction to her new doll's life like bergina was?
Sorry to ask this again, but how many episodes of Koyomi are left and what's next after that?
I read someone say before that the next Owari cour starts after Koyomi ends, but that seems like a really strange way of doing things to me. Maybe that anon meant Zokuowari? I'm confused.
next episode of Koyo is the last one
and yeah, the next cour of Owari (vol 3) basically follows on from where Koyo will end
Know Tsukihi she probably saw it and then forgot about it moments later
>Araragi sees wounded Kiss-Shot again.
>Immediately sprints forward to try and save her.
Good job. I'm proud of you Araragi.
>W-why did I do that? We're totally miserable guys. K-kizu was a tragedy guys.
God damn it.
What happens if she touches the ground?
>What happens if she touches the ground?
Nothing. You saw her walking in the first arc she showed up in. But part of what gave her superstrength is her requirement to try and avoid touching the ground. It is a kind of self-curse that grants benefits in return.
>You saw her walking in the first arc she showed up in
But that's bullshit anon. She has always done the hopping around on elevated stuff routine, or stood on Yotsugi's finger. Tadatsuru explains the curse in Tsuki I believe. It's not optional.
Who has conversations like this?
Not that anon but get Paint.net at the very fucking least
Also have the decency to make sure the screen timer isn't on the picture.
Kizu 2 PV when?
>Hell showing Araragi all sorts of visions about how easily problems in the past potentially could've been avoided, in some cases by not getting involved at all and having someone else do it
>Kanbaru doesn't get one of these visions because it's deemed that she and Araragi were going to form the bond they had sooner or later regardless
I mean the way they sort of just handwave Araragi needing to date Senjougahara for the two to meet away as "well there's no way I wouldn't help Gahara if I saw what I saw anyway" was a bit weak but regardless it's sort of interesting that Kanbaru's the one Nisio is doing that with I suppose
>>Hell showing Araragi all sorts of visions about how easily problems in the past potentially could've been avoided, in some cases by not getting involved at all and having someone else do it
Even though I don't think things could have been solved so easily without Araragi, I do like the idea that the universe would continue just fine if Araragi never existed. Basically even though Araragi is the protagonist, he is NOT the centre of the universe. And that if not him, someone else would have helped out. That doesn't mean Araragi shouldn't have helped though. Someone has to, and if everyone think someone else could be a hero instead, then no one would be. Araragi help people because he can't not help them. The fact that someone else could help in his stead doesn't make it any better for him to walk away.
It's like, if you see someone passing out and bleeding on the side-walk, you COULD ignore it and let someone else call an ambulance; but are you going to assume someone else would instead of you? To say "don't get involved, leave it to someone else" is rather irresponsible.
But in many ways, it is because Araragi did what he did, that he earned the right for his free resurrection. He didn't HAVE to be saved. Gaen didn't HAVE to resurrect him. But at the very least, he earned enough points to get this much reward.
>it's sort of interesting that Kanbaru's the one Nisio is doing that with I suppose
It makes sense. Kanbaru is effectively the secondary main character in the series.
She is the only person really suited to take on the oddity aspect of the series since Hanekawa is pretty much doomed to being the Deus Ex Machina character of the second generation of exorcists.
With how similar their personalities are, how involved with Oddities Kanbaru unintentionally is and given by both their admissions, had they met eachother earlier, they'd be dating. It makes sense for Kanbaru to be the one person Araragi doesn't have to save to meet.
I like redetermined Kanbaru. She's effectively best girl but no-one really appreciates Hanamonogatari to truly understand just the level of development she went through.
If Monogatari were a video game, Kanbaru's post-Hana form would be amazing against oddities given she's had her life corrected so she's mentally sound to be dealing with oddities and she's got the natural skill to deal with them.
Give her some training and you've got the best exorcist short of Kagenui.
It's not like she's the only character where this is the case but she definitely comes off as more defined a character in the light novels. I've only read the bits of Hana that are up on Baka Tsuki but that arc seriously benefits massively from being able to read Kanbaru's inner thoughts about everything
I had to catch up on Chapter 5, and now I'm wondering how they'll adapt him seeing Kissshot in the anime. Will they go to the subway station from the movie, or will they go with the alley in the LN and the original 'trailer' in Bake 1?
Yeah I'm aware that the devil parts plotline was continued through Suruga Bonehead, and I do hope that the Deathtopia thing goes somewhere interesting with Koyomi. I hope it gets fan-translated eventually, who knows if it'll ever get animated
The series really doesn't adapt well for Kanbaru since all you get to see is the perverted Kanbaru and it doesn't really get into her inner monologues about herself and herself in relation to others.
The inferiority complex she has is so incredibly massive that having someone like Senjougahahaha and Ararararagi to latch on to just makes too much sense.
I want to see what Senjougahara does to make herself "a special person" for Kanbaru. I don't even think we have hints outside of Araragi talking about them hanging out sometimes and even by Hana that stopped since Senjou and Shuraragi went off to college and left her lonely.
It's no surprised when she's at her loneliest that she ended up meeting a friend she'd forgotten.
We don't know much about Deathtopia physically other than golden eyes and hair. She probably a girl, she loses physical age every time she dies, and she died a lot helping Shinobu. Maybe the centuries were enough for it to recover. Maybe not.
Suruga Palace is all we formally see of the two hanging out I think
I thought it was a bit strange that Gahara didn't show up with Koyomi at the ending but I guess Nisio just wanted to focus on rounding off the development for these two characters specifically (as far as the light novel release was concerned Hitagi End hadn't happened yet after all)
Knowing Nisio, yeah probably
I suspect that Senjougahara showing up in a situation where the undertones of Kanbaru's romantic development as a character may have overridden any sort of chemistry Numachi and Kanbaru could have had.
It took Numachi and Araragi for Kanbaru to finally learn to deal with her feelings and the situation properly.
Araragi to stabilize her personality and Numachi to act as an outlet for her feelings for people that aren't Senjougahara and Numachi helping Kanbaru effectively get over that barrier.
The car scene where Araragi starts gently ripping into Kanbaru had to be one of the sweetest scenes in the series.
Talking about how she's strong enough and that she's not usually the type to get bogged down with hassles so that she should decide now if she wants to listen to other people or do what she wants and that it's alright no matter which option she takes.
It really showed Araragi's development as well as he's come to reconcile his own inability to not be self-sacrificing and just accepts that it's a part of himself, it'll continue to be a part of himself no matter who tries to make him do otherwise and that he doesn't mind if he's in the right or wrong because it's the choice he's made and it's the right one for him.
Deathtopia may or may not be okay with it. She has fallen from grace as a kaii, but gained happiness as a person. We'll have to wait and see which Deathtopia thinks is more important.
Nope. Neither of them are happy in this relationship. Araragi said so, so it must be true.
>or will they go with the alley in the LN and the original 'trailer' in Bake 1?
In the book it wasn't like that trailer. It was a road lined with street lights 5m apart (all off except the one Kiss-Shot was under).
Shinobu spends most of her day hanging out inside of her, and when she's not doing that she's usually sitting on him
while nopanin some manner
sex probably feels like a step-down in terms of intimacy for them at this point
>as far as the light novel release was concerned Hitagi End hadn't happened yet after all
It's hard to shake off the impression that the anime creates, but I really don't understand the author's thought process here. Hanamono serves as a pretty nice epilogue to a few major characters (including the actual main character) but it's released right in the middle of the Second Season story arcs? Why?
>It's hard to shake off the impression that the anime creates, but I really don't understand the author's thought process here. Hanamono serves as a pretty nice epilogue to a few major characters (including the actual main character) but it's released right in the middle of the Second Season story arcs? Why?
Why? Because he thought he was going to end the series right there. So by writing Hana he could conclude everything by showing where everyone ended up... But he just couldn't quit. And he even made fun of it in-story about how he tried to end the franchise multiple times, and failing. Hana is basically a "fake ending" that he wrote, telling us where everyone ended up.
Without intervention, anywhere from two to eight decades. If something forces to confront their relationship sooner, then it'll be just a few years.
Hana doesn't really serve as an epilogue.
Thanks to Hana being before Koi, it meant the Second Season ended on the twist that Kaiki was a ghost in Hana, and it also pointed out that while the threat Nadeko posed had been lifted, the real threat remained.
>it meant the Second Season ended on the twist that Kaiki was a ghost in Hana,
Are you trying to be funny, or are you retarded? No, seriously, we are trying to have a real discussion here.
Huh, didn't know that.
>that Kaiki was a ghost in Hana
I've seen people throw this around but I dunno, man. Kaiki simply managing to survive what happens is believable enough, all the exorcists are OP as fuck.
>I've seen people throw this around but I dunno, man. Kaiki simply managing to survive what happens is believable enough, all the exorcists are OP as fuck.
Stop believing it. He is trolling you. Monkey's mum's ghost wanted to relay a message to Kaiki that he should find someone else and stop keeping himself celibate. If he is dead she wouldn't have said that.
>It's not confirmed, but it's what I've believed since Koi came out and it has only become more likely with subsequent books. There is less evidence for him having survived.
Nope, completely confirmed to be false. Monkey's mum knows he is alive.
>Her message could easily be taken as her saying he ought to pass on. The verb さまよう is associated with ghosts.
Now you are stretching it. I just hate that you are treating your headcanon as fact and fooling everyone else. But I guess I can't stop bad people from being bad.
>mfw there are still people who think Kaiki was a ghost in Hana
But Kaiki isn't a pro. He is just a fake conman. He's not even a proper Conman, he's just an exorcist who tries to deny being an exorcist and yet he still reports into Gaen, speaks to Yozuru and complains about Oshino when he's not around.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kaiki and Tadatsuru both just sat in the corner of the club room bringing down the mood.
>I just hate that you are treating your headcanon as fact
I dislike the lack of self-awareness and hypocrisy. I'm the one who is actually willing to say my theory isn't confirmed ( >>138909276 ), while you lot are giving misquotes as evidence to support your assumption.
She has to walk upstairs to kick in Araragi's shit from the rooftop.
If Koyomi and Kanbaru really were fated (or whatever you want to call it) to meet eventually anyway, doesn't that sort of drive it home that Senjougahara's role in the story is ultimately pretty negligible?
I mean, in Mayoi Snail if Koyomi wasn't with Senjougahara then Hanekawa most likely would've helped out with that. If Koyomi had somehow met Kanbaru before this then she would've helped out instead.
In Karen Bee, Kaiki still would've backed off like he did if Kanbaru was the one backing up Koyomi, since it's not in Kaiki's interests to get on her bad side.
and in Hitagi End, Kaiki would most likely have stepped in by himself once Kanbaru was in danger.
Considering her apparant knack for oddity stuff Kanbaru probably would've affect things more than that so it's a hard thing to theorise about perhaps, but as far as Senjougahara is concerned as a character it's almost kinda sad in my opinion (and I'm not even a Crabfag)
Senjougahara is mainly irrelevant for world events because she's an Araragi-centric character and Araragi himself is actually irrelevant to the world.
As mentioned up in the thread, all the issues would have been solved if Araragi didn't get involved.
Tadatsuru would have dealt with the shrine. Kaiki would have cured Senjougahara's weight crab, Kanbaru would never have gone Rainy Devil.
Nadeko's curses would have been solved by Oshino personally since he would have had to go up to the shrine himself and seen the two snakes wrapped around Nadeko as she was slaughtering snakes etc.
I suspect SHAFT fucked up.
If they didn't and somehow it's alright for Yozuru to actually walk on the ground then I would guess her powers might just get cancelled when she's physically on the ground.
But given how often she travels off the ground, I suspect SHAFT fucking up is the truth.
I think why Kanbaru is deemed an exception here was because she forced her way into Koyomi's life, not the other way around as was the case with the other chicks. Even if only as a result of Koyomi saving Senjougahara earlier on.
The scenarios Koyomi is seeing in hell are supposed to be isolated I assume, yeah Shinobu could've been saved by Seishiro but then two ultra-powerful vampires spawning in the middle of town is a pretty fucking huge game-changer from that point onwards. Hanekawa might've gotten by in life just fine, it's just as likely that she could've been killed and eaten by those two while on one of her walks though for example. The point is just that with each problem Koyomi was faced with, he could've let someone else handle it or approach it in a different way (except Kanbaru where he had no choice in the matter)
To be fair, he continues running towards her even after thinking that. His link to Shinobu has caused a lot of shit around him to happen but at the end of the day he doesn't seem to regret going through with it most of the time.
Why wouldn't her heels be an exception too then though? I haven't read that part in LN form but it seems like either Shaft fucked up/didn't know about the curse yet or Nisio fucked up/hadn't thought of the curse yet
People don't normally think of walking inside a building as making a difference to whether someone is walking on the ground either though. I mean the floor inside a building isn't that different to pavements on the street.
>“I suppose at the end of the day, people just have to play with the hand they’re dealt. The same goes for you. Each and every time, you fought with everything you had—and so even when you look back on it now, no matter how many times you were to repeat it, you’d likely just do the same things over and over.
>“Even if you didn’t take the most appropriate course of action, you took the ‘best’ one.”
>That’s what she says.
>“Besides… When it comes to the matter of Sengoku-san, I believe there was a lot of outside interference. There were aftershocks… I suppose you could say.”
>“…? Outside interference? Aftershocks?”
>“Right, I suppose you wouldn’t be able to understand that part. In that case, don’t pay it any mind. I simply meant that if you try to do too much, there’s always a backlash.”
wait what outside interference is Hachikuji talking about here? It doesn't seem like she's just referring to Kaiki getting involved because that only happened as a result of all this
Honeslty it makes more sense to just assume Shaft fucked up, the whole "curse not working in certain situations just doesn't really fit with what we've seen.
I like to imagine that the curse isn't completely literal, and probably takes into account any floor in a building, because you would still generally think of yourself as standing on the ground, even if it isn't specifically the earth.
Otherwise she'd probably be able to walk on sidewalks, steps, tarmac, carpet, etc since she wouldn't technically be touching the ground.
Always look forward to these.
Oh, right. She still exists.
I'd rather a new specialists spin-off, with Hanekawa as new Meme, Kanbaru inheriting the Gaen Network, Araragi and Shinobu occasionally appearing as oddity slayers and
Oikuraas Kaiki successor.
Mostly with Araragi though. She shouldn't have problems manipulating children.
From Tsuki 009
>With Kagenui-san's "walking high places", apparently there's a rule such that it's okay to walk if it's inside buildings (as floor surfaces aren't ground), but here's just waste ground and is ground enough, so she answered me in that pose still, without her getting down from Ononoki-chan now that they've stopped.
It's been shown already through Hanekawa and Hitagi that Oikura would probably be prickly to anyone she meets.
I just don't think she'd have the patience to do what Kaiki does, considering he has basically no pride.
Children are loud bratty assholes and I couldn't see Oikura going a day without snapping and yelling at one.
Hitagi said about Sodachi "you were always kind to people who were below you" about how she always helped her when she thought she was just a sickly girl. I don't even remember her being particularly rude to Hanekawa, and Araragi says she is still like her child self when she isn't angry.
What makes Sodachi snaps is when people look down on her, when someone goes heavily against her "justice" or Araragi.
Why is Snail assuming that the first servant and Kaiki would have been the ones to intervene if Araragi hadn't helped bat and crab? For all we know some random suicidal person would have found the weakened Kiss-shot dragging her body down the streets and helped her, and as for Crab, maybe Kanbaru could have ignored Crab's threat and she could have let her use the monkey paw to get rid of the Crab god? I mean there are so many possibilities.
If Oikura isn't able to deal with a high schooler in terms of attitude unless they were pitiful, I doubt she'd ever be able to become like Kaiki. Shit, even though she's the one who hit Hitagi first through pretty much no provocation, she seems to seriously consider pressing charges against her for hitting her back.
> I don't even remember her being particularly rude to Hanekawa
When Hanekawa knocks on her door first ((Araragi was in the stairwell because Hanekawa thought Oikura might be in her pajamas)) she comes down almost looking like she had a fight with her, as well as saying how they argued as to whether she would change out of her pajamas into different clothes, but she was too stubborn, and said that Hanekawa was "pestering" her. As well as in the next episode where Oikura calls her out saying "you act like you know everything".
Just saying, the way she is now, there's no way she could become like Kaiki or do what he does as well as he does. In general, she's just too emotionally unbalanced, too chaotic in terms of whats going to set her off ((like people going against her personal and very strange view of "justice")), I just can't see her being able to skillfully manipulate and con teenagers or even smaller kids, it seems within her character to just get pissed of at them.
Imagine having sex with Kagenui in public, she'd always be on top and you're essentially forced to keep her above the ground non-stop with your body strength and stamina as you continuously thrust inside her.
I don't really understand the general implication that Kaiki would've been able to solve her weight problem.
Wasn't the idea that he wasn't really a proper exorcist, at least in terms of actual exorcism skills ((beyond, what, hypnosis? Strong power of suggestion? I don't remember)), and therefore wouldn't actually be able to fix her problem? He may have had knowledge of the weight crab, but not necessarily the skills to be able to properly exorcise it.
I feel like the weight crab issue isn't being implicated here, because if it is, then that kinda defeats the poignant message behind Kaiki and Araragi acting as parallels to each other with regards to Nadeko and Hitagi respectively.
> Hitagi first through pretty much no provocation
There was clearly strong provocation in her perspective, Hitagi hit her directly with the expression I mentioned above, implying she used her to feel better about herself, and when she said she didn't expect anything from Araragi from helping him go to the college, insulted her for having a long and heavy grudge because she expected to get something from Araragi for helping him. Both were true and major flaws of hers being pointed out as if it was obvious, even if Senjougahara didn't know that.
And about Hanekawa, the first was exclusively related to Araragi though, the point was that he wasn't worth her dressing up. And the "you act like you know everything" is just the usual "I don't know everything. I just know what I know." setup.
I don't think there'd be straight Meme, Kagenui and Kaiki successors. Koyomi seems like a weird mix of all of three of them whereas Hanekawa and Kanbaru seem like their own beasts really.
Also Oikura feels more like an oddity-related disaster waiting to happen rather than exorcist material, atleast at the moment.
I don't think Ougi should be outright dismissed here either. It's sorta weird that he/she/whatever is just hanging around Kanbaru now (acting as some sort of shoddy replacement Koyomi for Kanbaru?)
As far as Nadeko was concerned it seemed more like he supressed it (he removed the charm and then did something with slug oddity remains?), so it's not as clean a job as what Meme or Kagenui could do but it works.
As far as the parallel with Nadeko and Hitagi thing goes, I thought that was more to do with the self-destructive love that Nadeko and Hitagi felt for Koyomi and Kaiki respectively?
>Koyomi seems like a weird mix of all of three of them
To an extent, but the mere existence of Ougi + his thoughts of wanting to maintain "balance" in Mayoi Hell #6 pretty clearly indicates that he's closer to Oshino in mindset to the others.
So who's the character that gets the most special treatment from Nisio?
I should have said no literal provocation, Hitagi gets hit after she says she doesn't care if Araragi pays her back for her hard work tutoring him, because she has no ulterior motive and no need for his thanks, she just genuinely wants to go to university with him. Clearly she's making a connection to Oikura about her only helping people who were weaker than her for the praise ((as well as technically Oikura's kindness to Araragi as a child specifically so he would help her family situation, even though Hitagi didn't know that)) but all the same, the way she talked wasn't nearly aggressive enough to justify Oikura actually hitting Hitagi, or at least, it wouldn't be to the average person. And again, she legitimately considers pressing charges against Hitagi for hitting her back after she hit first, and is only stopped from that line of possibility when Araragi heals her with his blood.
Regardless of whether it was directly related to Araragi or not, she was clearly still being rude to Hanekawa, who was only trying to get her to change into some other clothes.
> Just the usual "I don't know everything. I just know what I know." setup.
Just because it's a running thing in the series doesn't cancel out the fact that she was still annoyed at Hanekawa for acting like she knew everything.
Seriously, we don't need to be arguing the semantics of every scene where Oikura is angry, all I'm saying is she's too chaotic, stubborn, and emotional to be able to become the next Kaiki in terms of personality or skills, at least the way she is now. I don't know about when she gets older, if she'll be able to properly come to terms with herself, but right now, there's no way.