Release all the Stasi files for scientific purposes.
PSA from the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit
6. The education plan of the local groups
The leadership of the local groups must develop an education plan immediately after the III. Party Congress for all members, candidates and nonparty members who want to study Katjaism-Theoism.
It should make clear how each individual will learn the principles of Katjaism-Theoism in the course of the party educational year, either through participation in a basic Katja course,
a circle, a county evening school, the evening university (for those in Berlin) or a course at a Katja party school.
After the county office has received the education plans of all its local groups, it will determine, based on the number of available propagandists, how many basic Katja courses, circles to study the biography of Katja,
circles to study the History of the IMOUTO (B) for beginners and advanced students, etc, should be conducted in a factory.
When, for example one work group in a large factory has 14 and another 9 members for a basic course, these 23 members, candidates and non-party members can form a course.
If in a MAS 6 and in the local group of the relevant village 16 members, candidates, and non-party members want to study the biography of Katja, one will form a circle from these 22 participants,
assuming that a qualified circle leader is available.
By law only Genosse Theodore can bully Katia.
Es lebe die Deutsche Demokratische Republik
Who /NVA/ here?
If only Uncle Saddam was here.
Imouto alliance strong
In the muv-luv alternative world all muslims united and decleard a holy war against the BETA.
But they failed to contain and destroy the BETA.
They can't win by shooting their AKs and sleeping in caves dug in mountains. Not when the BETA literally eat mountains.
For all the killing they do, muslims aren't very good at war.
Yes you can, they are non human demons which only satan would spawn.
And the BETA came 1973.
Iran-iraq war started in 1980
So no Human wave attacks for the BETA.
How can someone so cute be destroyed like that? Her smile is so dam cute.
It seems to me as though Jurgen is based on Erich Hartmann. Certainly, he is when it comes to physical appearance. In terms of personality, Jurgen gets a lot of his mischievous and playful side in addition to his hyper-competence.
Even their love interests are similar physically, although Ursula Hartmann was an absolute saint who waited for her husband through five years of silence and the death of their only son, who Erich never had the opportunity to meet. Physically though, Ursula was like Beatrix in that she at least had dark hair and pale skin.
Lastly, there's definitely the fact that Erich Hartmann spent ten years getting shuffled from soviet prison camp to soviet prison camp. The only reason why the soviets never killed him outright is they wanted him to be the figurehead for the new DDR Luftwaffe, but he refused to cooperate until Adenauer managed to get the surviving German POWs released to the BDR.
A few interesting facts about Erich Hartmann: the first language he learned to speak was chinese, as he spent the first three years of his live there, he was taught to fly aircraft by his mother, who ran the local glider club, and his younger brother, Alfred, was a Stuka Pilot who was captured in North Africa. Hartmann wanted to be a doctor, and only joined the Luftwaffe to go to flight school. He resigned himself to becoming a professional fighter pilot in 1956 after ten years in a prison camp made him feel as though he was unable to transition to a new career.
If only Chemical ali did something.
BREAD GENOCIDE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
Even Hartmann agreed with that. When he was being interrogated, the NKVD was gloating to him that they had the greatest fighter pilot in captivity.
Hartmann informed them that in fact, they did not, because British pilots were so much better than Soviet pilots that each of Marseille's victories was worth three of Hartmann's.
It's honestly a wonder they never killed him.
Anyway, I'd recommend reading The Blond Knight of Germany. Approach it like an epic romance that is set during a war, because that is what it is.
Likely never made it into power in this world. The Baath Revolution MIGHT have occurred, but Ahmed al-Bakr was still the point man likely by the time the BETA arrived at Iraq. They were all in together in the Great Jihad anyways. And Iran was still imperial, so no Iran-Iraq War either.
It's debatable if Saddam would have made a good soldier or TSF pilot - he never really was in the military at all and knew little about military matters, but on the other hand, he was a formidable organizer, and street enforcer/thug.
I could see it. He definitely has the looks of an IRL Jurg. I think Jurgen had a little more lasting impact on ML aviation though. He was one of the very first TSF aces and the tactics and maneuvers he came up with (such as laserjagd) are still in use by Takeru's time.
> waited for her husband through five years
Beatrix did the same shit and they weren't even married.
I messed up there, it was ten years of silence, 1945 through 1955.
and yes that's one of the reasons I mentioned it. Ursula, however, worked as a secretary or something (and was helped financially by Erich's friends, especially Barkhorn and Krupinski. The other shoe dropped in 1956 when they convinced a reluctant Hartmann to rejoin the BDR Luftwaffe.)
It helps that the Hartmanns were Swabian, and never had to deal with the DDR. Krupinski and Barkhorn were both East Prussians, and probably had to be very careful not to end up in the DDR.
>The unit was notorious for their lack of discipline and respect for authority. In his biography Alfred Grislawski wrote "In 1941 - 1943, the Karayastaffel was probably the most non-militaristic unit in the entire Wehrmacht.
Sounds like a unit Juergen would lead.
The girl awakens with a start. It's dark, stuffy, and her hands are bound. She seems to be sitting in a chair, with something over her head. Her memories are hazy, but she she starts to piece everything together. The base had been attacked by forces working for an insane terrorist called 'The Master.' The last thing she remembers is strapping into her TSF, then, nothing.
"You're awake! good!"
Suddenly, a bag is lifted off her head. She looks around at the large, palatial office, before her eyes settle on the man looming above her. It's the Master himself! what happened?
"So, Yui Takamura... I understand you're Yuuya Bridges’ younger sister."
"Half sister, yes." For some reason, her answer slips out before she thinks to mind her tongue.
"Yui, that's even better. I'm going to give you your hands back, okay Yui? Don't get any silly ideas, Yui. We're friends now."
Friends? The Master's apparent kindness and familiarity sends a chill up the Lieutenant's spine. Spinning a razor sharp dagger in his fingers, the Master effortlessly slices through the binds on her wrists. She stays in her chair, rubbing them to get the blood flowing in her hands. The Master sheaths his blade and pulls a velvet jewel box out of his jacket. Inside are two tattered, filthy ribbons. They had once had blue and white stripes, but it is difficult to be sure under what looks suspiciously like blood stains.
"Listen to me carefully, Yui, because I'm only going to tell you once. Put the ribbons on, Yui."
Anal with Annette.
Beatrix fought the squadron 666 and nearly destroyed the base coupled with Katia, but Beatrix was stopped by the timely arrival of Theodor and his mig-23. Beatrix was enraged when Axmann told him it was the Lise mig-23 but surely had the same Lise smell, at this point Beatrix remembered Theodor with deep hatred. Beatrix fought the Theodor but experienced pain when Katia, freed of her brainwashing, remembered Theodor which caused a forced decoupling. Seeing Theodor, taking her away, Beatrix followed and took her from him. Beatrix tried to couple with Katia but Katia refused, marry with Beatrix. Distraught, he watched as this created a strange reaction. When Theodor stabbed and hit the Beatrix Mig-27, it created the time tunnel. Beatrix was sucked in and Katia was about to follow him in when Theodor stopped her. With Theodor, Anett destroyed his mig-27, so Beatrix would never be able to kill Theodor in the past. Beatrix appeared to survive, cursing Theodor and Katia. Later, it is revealed Beatrix traveled back in time and apparently after the test of time, became Zogilia's leader and Beatrix is still obsessed with killing Theodor, probably out of jealousy and even muttering that Theodor will soon feel his full wrath. He says this all while clutching the Lise tape, like a memento, and sitting in a wheel chair. However, his face is still covered with the exception of his forehead and eyes.
After Beatrix changed his name and became chairman, his personality became very crazed and vengeful; Beatrix is willing to sacrifice anyone and anybody to get his revenge. Beatrix was even willing to commit suicide and destroy the Europe to get his revenge. Theodor mentions Beatrix was also very prideful; all his actions were to protect his ego and pride.
>defecting to Least Germany
>becoming a Bernie
Only if you do it slow first time.
>Lise side story from Schwarzesmarken Requiem vol 2
Lise was captured and gangraped by the Stasi.
She wanted to give her first time to her brother.
Axmann told that it was all recorded, and would be shown to her brother unless she does what they say.
She agrees. Axmann (The Stasi Armed Police Security Force "Grey Beast" as per chapter) was the one who broke her. He tells her after the first time "Don't worry, I won't be touching you. I'm a guy who likes cleanliness, and after your new friends had fun with you, you're filthy."
She undergoes training to be a fem-fatal sleeper operative, getting her body used to get information for the Stasi. She also ends up being the secret mistress for the Security Force.
She believes Axmann planned to us her that way from the start.
Constantly crying for Oni-san to save her when she is alone, but knows her body is too defiled already, having lost count of how many had had her.
After the events in Schwarze with Irisdina getting captured, she is blindfolded in Theodor's arms, apparently before her execution at his hands.
>being so much of a faggot that he see a little boy
Must be hard being you.
You know she would.
Nigga, you sound like Iron Sheikh right now.
I ignored muv-luv threads for years (girl/monster in the window shitposting etc.), but i want to pick it up now. Where should i start?
SM and TE anime are both okay starting points. You're here though, this is the best starting point.
Lise is lower than your hentai NTR heroine?
Shes removing kebab on the great border in the sky now Godspeed you crazy imouto.
>having another waifu other than Yuimoto
So basically, fuck anime, go read vn?
>You're here though, this is the best starting point.
So did I. Go figure, anime butchery. At least he could have held her fucking hand.
The lack of physical contact really hurt the scene. But she died knowing that she saved him and that he loved her, so at least there was that moment of peace where she could smile.
So, Lise took Beatrix's prophetic last speech.
What are the chances Beatrix herself just dies in the finale?
They've set up the fact that the rebels aren't as good as they seem, so Beato may still "enlighten" Theodore with some revelation.
And they agreed. What a monster, I guess Theo isn't so different from his sister after all.
>Lise was broken by the stasi? yes, but She didn't do anything because she wanted something for her brother. Axmann never told to Lise that it would hurt or kill Theo, actually it She wanted to give her first time to her brother and for the shame of being exposed by Axmann and the photos/videos of her being raped, Axmann push Lise to be a crazy bitch by using those things as bargain chip (obviously showing them to theo).
I really hope Katia either dies or has a more romantic conclusion with Theo like getting a kiss, but given the director's edge I'm inclined to think her dying is more likely to hope for. I really like her and she's my favorite girl in SM, moreso than Lise, but SM is going to have one of the absolute weakest finales of the season if they decide to adapt the original ending mostly wholesale. Anime Iris has had almost no screentime and is incredibly boring in almost all appearances she does have, she doesn't make much of a memorable impact at all.
Instead he forces innocent cowtits to do it for him.
Yeah, I've noticed that you're either your a Lisefag, or you hate her and think everything Axmann did was warranted. It's the same shit with Beatrix.
In comparison, most of the other girls, like Katia or Pham, don't cop universal hatred from those who aren't in their camps.
>he told me that the plane could "hit mach 3 easy"
At the expense of the engines' service life, which is probably why he got thrown into the stockade for doing so (all the windows he shattered in the city might've had something to do with it as well). I'm more surprised the airframe can withstand that duress considering it's not exactly streamlined.
The SR-71 escapes conventional SAMs the same way.
>It wasn't made to fight against like other planes
Wasn't it designed as an interceptor to counter the XB-70?
>the fat fuck barely stood a chance unless it managed to get the jump on someone extremely unsuspecting from a ridiculous range
Amusingly enough, our intelligence initially thought it was some hot new dogfighter (you'd think the fact that it had all the aerodynamic properties of a cinderblock would've indicated otherwise). At least we got the F-15 out of that admittedly asinine assumption.
Fact: Lisefags were so butthurt that they split threads for no reason a few days ago.
Fact: Lisefags keep shilling Lise to point that hating and disliking her counts as shitposting.
W-what did I do. I'm just posting more renders I made from the CGs.
Fact: You're a moron who continues to ignore the fact that it was because you rushed to make the thread, just like this very thread was, and a Katiafag was the one who made the thread because they hated your edgy OP.
Notice how Lisefags are usually Beatrixfags too? Notice how both girls are the WGOTY?
Is this coincidence, or can you smell the terminal case of shit-taste gently wafting through the air of this fandom?
Beatrix was almost having an orgasm talking about the pain that she was putting Lise through by forcing her to fight Theo back in episode 10. You also had episode 9 implying that Beatrix forced her to carry out many executions, such as the one back in episode 1.
>All these hot opinions getting thrown everywhere
Doesn't get much better than this.
Don't understand why these threads need to be up constantly anyway.
No, I don't like thread rushing in general. Though I must admit, it's funny how angry you are about this even nearly a week later. I remember you freaking out and rushing to bump your own terrible thread repeatedly.
Schwarzesmarken refridgerator™ Only real from anıme ultra ebin pigdures
HOLY SHIT why is âge so obsessed with character like sumika so much ,
i m really don't want to be associate with this franchise anymore
that was pretty good, I've watched several episodes of that already, but I deleted my web history because of reinstall and I cannot remember the name
tsun, I know, but plx gib name
Mig-25 is a interceptor. Meaning it's job is to shoot down bombers and other intruders, also why it had such highspeed.
It's not a dogfighter.
he's finally getting banned from AnimeSuki.
>So what's the story behind this one?
>Ah this one? She was part of a elit NVA TSF squadron, dont really remember the name but there are pretty much no survivors from that squadron except this one. After the DDR fell most of europe have fallen and we are really trying to find remains from the NVA or anyone from the Warsaw pact.
>Well we cant find anyone except her from that squadron.If they are really dead I dont know but I dont really care anyway.
>And why am I guarding her?
>Oh the commissar dont want anyone from the ship to visit her for a friendly conversation, the last one that got visited became rather unstable. Also you are most reliable amongst the guards.
>Really? And how long am I supposed to guard her? Been several days since someone was supposed to take my place.
>Dont worry, we are soon in Cuba comrade.
>Good, Her cries during the night are annoying and I dont speak german. She is really not in a good state. I dont think she will be able to pilot again.
>She will be when we are in Cuba. A few months and she is ready to fight.
>And if she's not?
>Oh she will have some use. One way or another. Cant let good things to be wasted in some refugee camp can you?
Lise is a good girl who did some bad stuff under conditions of extreme duress. She deserves headpats and handholding.
She was a perfectly normal girl until she went through one hell of a meat grinder of an experience. That kind of morbid abuse would turn anyone's mind inside out. But this is a story about cute girls suffering so no happiness for you.
Was she? It sounded to me like she was just stating facts of the matter, really. Remember, Schmidt was asking about her specifically. Which is also weird since afaik, Schmidt doesn't really concern himself with very specific details or persons like that. He runs the guys who run the guys basically.
This will always be a great edit, thank you whoever did it.
But there aren't vampires in ML anon.
VV > Jeanette
It's Axmann who initially broke her into the family.
She's "with" Beato's faction, but that doesn't mean she gets to edge her way out of Stasi business. Executing dissidents means executing dissidents.
Ace Combat stories kinda sucked, muh no war, muh peace Novalogic's sims were better
>Was she? It sounded to me like she was just stating facts of the matter, really.
The tone of voice, smirking, and ironic quip/joke about it all being a "Sad story" implies that she's getting her kicks from Lise's situation. There's also her talking about using Lise as an expendable tool despite all of the above.
You know, even with Axmann's reveal back in episode 9, Beatrix still comes off as far away the most evil and cruel character in the whole show.
Its true her actions would have consequences regardless of how or why she ended up that way, its just a damn shame either way because everybody loses with an eye for an eye. If anyone could have helped her, its Pham, with a little help from Theo of course.
2/3, possibly only 1/3 correct - possibly 0/3 correct. Well at least according to LN and probably VN.
It's Axmann who explicitly enjoys causing suffering. The purer something is, the more enjoyment he gets corrupting it. Though that's how it seems in any case. If anything, his breaking people is perhaps his own way of teaching them how to survive in the world - when he made Lise kill the children with a rock, his last lesson was that these feelings, these morals, will only hurt you in the end. If anything, he's the ultimate utilitarian. Classically, he's as sick and evil as they come. But there is a certain sense of truth to his words, and the lessons he imparts, whether his recipients like it or not.
Schmidt, he seems really interested only in his own power. Evil is a tool for him, not a result. He doesn't really care about the morality of his system, but that does mean he's not evil in the classically understood sense, if only because his intention is not to cause the spread of evil. To him, his power is good, so anything that contributes towards that is also good. Normally speaking, he could possibly be one of the worst, since he's the one who has ultimate power in his organization, and he's the one who took them from where they were pure evil into even more hateful and refined forms of cruelty.
Beato, she explicitly hates her job, and hates the evil she must do. In only the "technical" sense, she could be considered the most evil since she KNOWS what she is doing is wrong (even if she has no control over it), she KNOWS it's evil, she knows she's going to pay for what she has done - she has a "normal" sense of right and wrong, of justice, of morality, unlike the others. But in the classic sense, she is one of the most non-evil characters. If anything, she's set herself up as the self-sacrificial entity, one who can take all the evil and bury it with herself when she must disappear so that the new generation can start redeemed - a Christ figure.
>If anything, she's set herself up as the self-sacrificial entity, one who can take all the evil and bury it with herself when she must disappear so that the new generation can start redeemed - a Christ figure.
That's more Irisdina's thing. If anything, Iris is likely to be the "martyr" in the second VN.
First of all, that's Schmidt who says it's "a sad story" with a wry chuckle. As for Beatrix's tone, it's the same one she uses regardless, so it's not necessarily malicious on her part. Hell, even Schmidt isn't necessarily into it for da evulz. Just because he's responsible for it doesn't mean he necessarily laughs or is being ironic about it. It's like when Axmann, during the time he dropped in on them after Operation Neptune, wasn't being ironic when he said "how beautiful" at Theo's attempts to stick up for Lise.
Remember, she's defending Lise from arrest/worse, since Schmidt is worried enough to mention her specifically. Mind you, this is all the anime one, which makes her out to be much worse. The truth of Lise's situation, IS that she doesn't have anyone left, and her whole recent life is a sad story. It's just facts.
A traditional gangland shooting might involve two people: one to fire the gun and another to drive the getaway car. The shooter will not pull the trigger unless he has a means of escape. The driver knows there will be no shooting without him. So both are guilty of murder.
>The same principle should apply if one person encourages another to pull the trigger.
>I'm more surprised the airframe can withstand that duress considering it's not exactly streamlined.
>The Foxbat was built primarily out of a nickel steel alloy because it was easy to work with and met the heat-related requirements.
Anyone else notice that most of the BR's posts were deleted by the janitors? Feels amazing.
Like I said, or course there will be consequences in one form or another.
"Unlawful pressure exerted upon a person to coerce that person to perform an act that he or she ordinarily would not perform. Duress also encompasses the same harm, threats, or restraint exercised upon the affected individual's spouse, child, or parent."
- Legal definition of Duress http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/duress
The Stasi(at the very least the fictional stasi working under Axemann) break people. Thats what they do. Lise went into the funhouse and someone else came out. Its a tragic story thats all.
No, the titular "Martyrs" in the second VN will likely be Iris, Beatrix, and
Katia. They're the only ones selfless enough to sacrifice themselves on the pyre of politics to ensure that their ideals win out. You might say Lise too, but she's more in it for Onii-san than any grand political motives.
10 episodes = 03h 20m 00s / Iris in 10 episodes - screentime: 00h 06m 39s
Gretel has more development, internal conflicts, more scenes in visual novel, and more screentime in the anime, than Iris and this is a fact.
Iris is the overrated character from Schwarzesmarken.
It never does stop hurting.
The worst part is she would say don't be sad on her account.
Too good for this world, its no wonder they left.
>"Lise, you're low energy today, so sad!"
Does that mean everyone who is left and alive is worthless and unpure?
>Inghild fell in love with a young pilot named Marco Farner. Marco was born in the same town as her, and the two entered a relationship after he confessed to her. The romance ended abruptly with Marco's death and it became a painful memory for Inghild and Anett.
Did Childhood friend finally win?
Is this the power of the Prussian Junkers?
I wonder if her and Sylwia had issues
>Iris is the overrated character from Schwarzesmarken.
For me the most overrated characters ever: Yuno, Haruhi, Taiga, Haruhi, Kona-chan, Mikasa, Asuna, Iris, Louise, Kanade, Beatrix, Mio, Nagato, Yui, Chitoge, Azusa, Onodera, Mizore, Ayumu.
>wanting a dead girl
Might as well go with the shorthaired christfag, unless you're into necrophilia.
Beatrix / Haruhi - Kamidere.
Iris - OP mary-sue: a poorly developed character, too perfect with lacking in realism, unprecedented skill in everything: Intelligence, command, leadership, TSF pilot, strategies and tactics, including conquests and memorable achievements.
Shes the savior, Jesus Christ's reincarnation, having the good grace to die at the end as a holy martyr.
Mio, Yui, Azusa - waifushit / K-ON - shit's fucked / yuribait
Kona-chan - Lucky Star, just says “FUCK THAT SHIT”
about the rest - shit
Note: KyoAni moe garbage that defies logic using jiggle-physics.
Pham is lovely and I'm sure I would love her company but Nee-sans just don't do it for me like Imoutos do. Theo agrees, which is why all of the main heroines are imoutos. Including Irisdina. Especially Irisdina.
Thank you, I'm glad to know my chewing tobacco won't be the reason I die of cancer.
protagonist's love interest on plot armor for plot convenience.
Because Axmann's a raging homo and while he probably didn't fuck Lise himself, I'm sure the Stasi has a fucked in/fucked out policy, and he fucked all the guys that fucked her. He also probably slipped into West Berlin to hit the bath houses at several points in the late 1970s after a certain Quebecois flight attendant had already visited.
Magic was Lise's victim
Magic contracted Lise's AIDS
reminder that all your waifus are a shit. Here is my waifu. Look at those birthing hips.
so is this sex thing an actual canon thing or just one of your maymays?
not a lise fag,getting ready to marathon the series and need to know how much lube to prepare
She was made to seduce politicians for the Stasi after getting brutally raped after kidnapping when she was 15.
You couldn't be a bigger semen demon even if you wanted, but she's still best girl since 200% devotion and mind of steel.
Lisefags love to paint Lise as a victim but imagine how many more titles the Lakers won if Magic didn't have any AIDS
She calls him Onii-san as a joke when he teases her about peeing herself. He gets really fucking weirded out because she's not Lise, yet she reminds him of Lise a lot and now she's calling him big brother just like Lise did, so there's this big uncanny feeling going on for him.
It does get him to let up on his stupid "Call me Eberbach" thing so she calls him Theodor again.
I really hope Ursula calls Theo onii-san all the time in SM Extra.
>not spying on the Jews
6 million Jews get AIDS.
I find it funny that East Germany is portrayed as baby smashing, stasi fucking communist Nazis while in reality most of the surviving Nazis lived the rest of their lives in West Germany.
6 million Jews get AIDS
>Rotavirus + Ebola virus = Lise?
>I bet Walther had fun with her too
More AIDS for Poland.
Ketchup is gay
(The Stasi Armed Police Security Force "Grey Beast" as per chapter) was the one who broke her. He tells her after the first time "Don't worry, I won't be touching you. I'm a guy who likes cleanliness, and after your new friends had fun with you, you're filthy."
>Axmann's new fuccboi suspiciously looks like Jurgen
Read the letter, arrange a date, stuff her in the trunk of my car and lock her in the basement because as a spy there's probably no official record of her existing in my country.
After that, raise a family with her. In the basement of course.
And I'd make her wear the ribbons.
shown to care for his direct subordinates like fuccboi-kun and Jurgen, doesn't really care for the his image
She is not. She is best girl.
Haters just want to make her look bad.
Oh hey where did you get this? I thought only her in her NVA uniform existed.
I'm kinda not sure. I mean she clearly bullied herself to hell and back to actually rack up the nerve to write a letter, so bullying her more may break her poor heart.
What do. I don't want her to cry afterwards.
I want Lise to sexually tease Katia.
;_; I'm assuming the VN's the same case?
I wanna watch the anime, but from lurking these threads, I learned that there were a number of things that they skipped, and I'd like to have at least a means of comparing which parts they skipped in the anime adaptation
Anime is your best option, for now at least.
Sadly, it butchers a lot of the characterization.
How did you like Total Eclipse?
Life is so boring that even feeling bad is better. That's why drama/tragedy exist.
Oh come on, it wasn't bad.
Rather, how did it suck?
Indeed, but yes, what better way than to learn it is Muv Luv.
Favorite TE girl?
Life is mankind's struggle. An end that you worked hard for, that you suffered for, tastes all the sweeter.