Shitpost all you want but the fact is you can assign any arbitrary age to a fictional character. Going by age alone pic related would be a loli which I doubt many people in loli threads would argue that is in fact a loli.
Depends on species and mental maturity for that species.
100 year year old elf is still a loli, a 100 year old human is a granny.
What? No, of course not. I wouldnt call eva a loli. That would be rude.
To be a loli you need
>to be at an age below the sexual maturity of that species
>have unaltered memory/mind/maturity
For instance, a 6 y/o clone with the body, maturity and mind of a 22 y/o woman is not a loli
No idea how old hotaru is, but pink is no loli. Although since hotaru has hotarus and she doesnt seem to be an oppai loli, i'm guessing she has reached sexual maturity and is not a loli either.
>i'm guessing she has reached sexual maturity
Stop guessing, faggot. Stop applying your normalfag logic to anime/manga. You clearly are not fit for the discussion.
It's a body type, end of story.
>>to be at an age below the sexual maturity of that species
If you mean "prepubescent" you're wrong because pubescent lolis exist. See: any series with an 11 or 12 year old loli.
If you mean not post-pubescent, then you're wrong. See: any series with middle schoolers that aren't lolis.
This girl is 11 years old? Then yes. She is a loli, despite appearences.
>STOP USING LOGIC YOUR TRIGGERING ME!
What about a 50+ old human woman with the mentality of a perv old geezer in the body of a pre-pubescent girl?
ITT: The definition of a word which has changed over time based on cultural influence is turned into a dichotomy.
How to tell if something is a loli:
1. Think "if this was 3D would fapping to this make me a pedophile" if Yes, it's loli.
2. Think "if this was 3D would fapping to this make me a hebephile" if Yes, it's probably loli.
If you do not know what "hebephile" means, you are unqualified to determine the loliness of a character.
>trying to win arguments by implying your an oldfag.
Process of elimination.
If a girl has the right bodytype then she is a loli.
If she doesn't have the right bodytype but is 7-13 years of age then she is a loli.
If she doesn't possess either of the two above qualities then she is not a loli.
Having both the right bodytype and the proper age is just a bonus
You are probably right, but that only supports the idea that loli really is about "body type" because of the countless works of fiction that expanded on the term.
>i.e.: ageless loli succubi, etc.
>If she doesn't have the right bodytype but is 7-13 years of age then she is a loli.
1. 13 is usually a bit old for loli, 2. since 2D age is entirely arbitrary you get situations where a character has a given age of 7-13, but the character is in no way like a real 7-13 year old.
They arent ageless though. If their maturity is stunted, that might make sense, but otherwise they are old hags with young bodies. Most of the time in those cases, they are mocking a girl for having a loli body, and not actually calling them a loli.
My argument is that your's is stupid, makes no sense according to what the whole doujinshi community has to say on the matter, if you really need me to spell it for you, then what's the point or arguing against you?
A prerequisite for arguing on a topic is to be knowledge on said topic, prerequisite which so far you don't seem to meet.
Then again, "old hag" is not a valid archetype, that's just the way you call it, how would you call that specific type of character if you were to, in example, look it up on gelbooru or exhentai?
Sakura is literally going through puberty during the show. So she isn't a Loli.
Some girls who are 10 can still be considered loli. But its 2D so who cares? You're not gonna be seeing her period.
>the liberal boogeyman strikes again
Nice try, but not at all. Although I would say that our discussion boils down to "you're stupid, believe me", I do encourage you to stop saying such stupid things on the internet to avoid being mocked publicly, just a friendly tip.
Alright, but you still have to come up for a term that fits your criteria, so far it seems that loli really is the correct term.
What if you were to deny that such character wasn't a loli on a japanese board? Do you think that would fly over there?
No sir, Zakuro is not a fucking loli
Except it's not. Because you are claiming an adult character that looks and acts like an adult could be a loli if someone decided "fuck it, let's make her 11". Do you not realize how that makes the entire term pointless?
I'd say no because while she has a small body, it looks more refined with adult / teen features
>acts like an adult
I don't fucking think so. And even in other cases I don't think I've ever seen the "no no she's a loli because she's 11 even though she look like a milf" thing you're talking about here so I don't see what the big deal you're making here is.
Irregardless its the same difference and i literally could care less for all intensive purposes.
>I don't think I've ever seen the "no no she's a loli because she's 11 even though she look like a milf" thing you're talking about here
Because people other than you aren't retarded enough to think that would count as loli.
>This is loli to you people
But this isn't.
And you try to claim we just want to be normalfags?
You guys are the ones that want to fap to grown women and call yourselves lolicon.
Alright okay I see my mistake here.
>If she doesn't have the loli bodytype but is 7-13 years of age and doesn't have the full post-puberty ridden teen+ bodytype then she is a loli.
Sakura = old and busted
Prisma Ilya = new hotness
Like who? Who is under 13 years of age, yet has the body of a 14-(I dunno what you'd count as a max here) year old? And how are these characters better than all of the 13- year old lolis?
Hell, to use just one example from this thread.
>And how are these characters better than all of the 13- year old lolis?
I was just generalising here, it all depends of the character of course.
This is a Japanese elementary student.
This is a 9 year old.
An agefag is someone who thinks whether or not a character is a loli is based on age. So when given a character that is obviously not a loli and asked "If they were 11 would they be a loli" they should say yes. That means your comment here >>138760026 does not apply you illiterate retard.
I don't know but Sakura sure is cute.
>you can assign any arbitrary age to a fictional character.
This. In some shows they are child aged but look developed, other shows they are young adult aged but look like children. In other words, the less acceptable it would be for someone to find your hentai of a female character, the more likely it is she is a loli.
Of course, anything with the body of a 10-5 years old girl is definitely a loli. 12-11 and 4 would depend on how underdeveloped, or developed, the girl is.
13 and beyond is definitely not a loli.
Still one week to go, isn't there?
>soon i'll be masturbating to a train
But the translation is several planets away.
>Definition of LOLITA
>a precociously seductive girl
>Definition of PRECOCIOUS
>1: exceptionally early in development or occurrence <precocious puberty>
>2: exhibiting mature qualities at an unusually early age <a precocious child>
>Definition of SEDUCTIVE
>inb4 BUT LOLI != LOLITA
Loli is literally just a shortened version of lolita. It's the same fucking word.
>inb4 BUT THAT'S A 3D TERM!
Lolita is a character from a book. She's not 3d.
Don't take people saying loli is a body type seriously. There will always be 2D and 3D lolicons, 2D tend to be in denial about what lolicon is because they don't want the association. Nothing will ever change in that regard. Just post some loli.
She was a tumor for most of her life before the doctor saving her if I remember well. But Pinoko still is a perfect, adorable loli.
For me, age is just a number, if its a really cute character with a charming small framed body, it's a loli. Certain character might be a 1000 years old dragon in human form, but it doesn't matter for my dick and
Godamnit, Pinoko is just so cute.
>hundreds of doujins
>all of them too old, never to be found
>scans never ever
Loli is a bodytype, but I, for one, am very flexible with just what that bodytype means. Just as lolita referred to girls between 9-14, I too consider girls in that general figure range to be loli.
Now, if you said 幼女, that would be a different story.
Identifying lolis: an useful guide
1. Omit absolutely every single mention of the age of a 2D girl. All of them, forget that they exist.
2. Ask yourself: does that girl look like a child, aged from 3 to 13 years old? Does she have the body of a child ?
If you answered yes to both, then she is a loli (please note that young girls with apparent age of 3 or 4 might actually fit better under the toddlercon tag depending on the art style, so be careful to not rustle someone's jimmies).
Now, how to decide the subcategories:
- Is she anything in between 18 and 40 years old, despite the childish look? If yes, she's a legal loli (合法ロリ).
- Is she older than 40 (this includes fantasy creatures who are 1000 years old and so on)? If yes, she's a loli babaa (ロリババァ).
- In case she has ridiculously sized, overdeveloped breasts, omit those as well. Is the resulting body that of a little girl? If yes, she's an oppai loli (ロリ巨乳).