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Anyone know what the last character is? I tried drawing it several times and got nothing
>do anki reps at 9pm
>fail like every third young card
>do anki reps at 8am
>manage 200 reviews with only two or three relearns
Remember to always start your day with Anki, DJT!
>Usually do reps some time between 10pm - 2am
It seems like the opposite for me.
The other day I did my reps at 3am and did amazingly well, even remembering words that I always seem to fail.
Might just be a coincidence though.
I love/hate it too for the same reason
I thought pic related was む for the longest time
what happened to nama sensei's videos? they're all private and i can't get my daily fill of bitch and beer
That としあき anon sure is fucking dank.
>行（い or ゆ）く
need a decent, free program (not anki ffs) to help me learn kanji
I was using wanikani and it was going ok because I needed the handholding until the little shit started asking for a subscription to keep going so I dropped it
I will never learn Japanese.
I read all the fucking time but have only ever seen that word like once
The only reason I have difficulties with it is because I encountered 親睦 and 親戚 at the same time and now they're both mixed up in my head
>hear character speaking in Kyoto dialect
nayr is making something but its not out yet, and i sont know if it will cost money
if ankis lack of context is your problem, tagaini jisho might be usable, but its even less intuitive to use for flash cards. great dictionary though
>need a decent, free program (not anki ffs) to help me learn kanji
Why not Anki?
Anyway, you're not going to like this but here is a solution that will more or less force you to "learn" kanji.
Work through Remember the Kanji, book one, using Anki with a good RTK deck.
This link has both the book and deck- neat.
Work your way through Kanji Damage, using the website for reference and a good KD deck in Anki.
Choose one of these
Official KanjiDamage deck REORDERED
KanjiDamage Plus+ deck
OR go straight into a kanji deck. I suggest one of the following:
Kanji production deck with stroke order diagrams, RTK/frequency/etc. orders, example words, keywords, readings, etc.
Kanji by Frequency with Stroke Animations
All in One Kanji Deck
Do this alongside something like the Core series decks avaliable in the CoR -I recommend the Core10k deck- and it will be almost impossible not to "learn" kanji. It also takes fuck all effort and you will retain the knowledge. In six months time you will know more about kanji than you will likely be able to forget. That will be enough for everything you will likely want to study in relation to kanji, unless you want to take a crack at Kanken some time later. Realistically I just gave you the steps and instructions that will product better and faster results than wanikani, for free.
Its not the lack of context, but the lack of input. Wanikani forced me to learn through writing shit.
The way anki works with trying to learn in your head with only a couple of buttons to press if you learned it or not wasn't interactive enough for me.
What I'm looking for is a free version of wanikani. I think it's the best for retards like me who can't learn normally.
imo they were forced to publish before they had enough editing time. theres a lot of variation in whether parts of speech contractions have periods at the end too, and amari ia marked wrong. still, the actual frequency list is a lot better than what i could make and the long prologue essay on the purpose and work put into making it is pretty good
you can have text fields in anki too, but you still have to pre fail.hard.etc yourself. check tha manual for info
Guys, can you help me understand something? I'm playing めぐりあう2人の名探偵 on the ds. Since I'm terrible at recognizing compressed kanji, I turned on the furigana option. I got to the part where a former female schoolmate of Kindaichi sent him a letter asking for help. My question is, why was there a furigana used for 私 while there was none for 手紙?
watashi's official reading is watakushi, which is so formal it hurts. there are also some other common normal readings of it, like atashi. marking the reading is probably a way to disamviguate it for the context its in.
The deck in this post >>138662142 under the description
>Kanji production deck with stroke order diagrams, RTK/frequency/etc. orders, example words, keywords, readings, etc.
Is production orientated so you have to write the kanji out correctly to pass the card.
How does that differ to this wanikani you seem to think you can advertise and get away with?
It is obvious what intentions here are, anon.
Ah alright. To differentiate things. Thanks. I was just confused because I saw わたし as the reading for 私 written on the sent letter so I'm like, wait, he knew who sent it so what's with the reading?
There's a fair amount of jap streamers on twitch if you didn't know
WK is 5 bucks. If its exact methods hit home with you, there's nothing stopping you from using it. It's possible to learn vocab *entirely* from text-hooking without ever touching Anki. WK's speed wouldn't make a difference in this scenario.
>there's nothing stopping you from using it.
The fact it's objectively inferior to anki in every way should be a strong factor in not using it
> It's possible to learn vocab *entirely* from text-hooking without ever touching Anki.
Yeah it's possible to learn everything exposure, doesn't mean you want to do it or it's the best way
>WK's speed wouldn't make a difference in this scenario.
May as well not use WK if it's speed doesn't make a difference.
>Yeah it's possible to learn everything exposure, doesn't mean you want to do it or it's the best way
I've learned vocab entirely through text hooking for about a year now, and I can read most moege without Rikaisama at this point. The main thing to note here is that not a single moment has been a frustrating, dull grind. It is infinitely better than forcing yourself through 500+ reviews each day. Perhaps not as efficient, but then again, I've never been close to burnout or questioned why I'm learning Japanese.
>Wanikani throws all legitimacy to the window >and makes radical names up from scratch.
Just fyi, RTK is guilty of this as well. In my limited observation of KD, it does too. It's not just Wanikani that is a little creative with English name of radicals.
Fuck man I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to instruct retards like me.
I'll definitely check that out. I really want to learn this language and since there's no Japanese language institute around my area I'll have to self-learn which I'm horrible at.
Could I get some help translating this? I think the picture Is from NGE.
I'm aware of the guide but I'm such a fucking failure that I keep giving up and coming back, each time with a different excuse as to why I can't learn the language.
I've read Tae Kim's grammar guide but I should read it again.
It's not that they're useless. It's because most people are not autists, anon.
They don't sperg out over typos or misspelled words. That only happens when talking to objectively superior nihilist fedorad gentlemen on internet forums.
What's the fuggin' logic behind this idiom meant to be?
In return you can stop abusing spoilers.
This explanation makes sense
Doesn’t exactly rate much more than a few paragraphs, really.
The VN does have a couple of funny lines or so, but otherwise it’s poorly written, poorly edited, incredibly cheap, and generally screams its being a cash-in from the rooftops. It’s a textbook example of hack writing.
And the VN is still better than the light novel, which is so badly written it’s borderline unreadable, particularly at the beginning.
Who thought it was a good idea to make it a series of disjointed lines like it were a transcribed VN? Or make the narrator a third-person person despite not being one in the VN? There’s also casual cheerful light-hearted mind rape via hypnosis. All ages!
The stories themselves are so fake, so manufactured, so forced, so devoid of anything remotely resembling a point or a soul that even their sugar tastes like plastic.
And it didn’t even have sex scenes! What a waste.
>t. the guy who translated it
You're the first I see having that opinion of the VN. I never read it so I can't compare but still, I think most people here play it because it's easy, not because it's the best or anything.
It is indeed in the guide. You just have to press the 教本 tab.
Considering you didn't even look entirely at the spreadsheet, I find it a bit funny you're saying this. If you have any suggestions though, don't hesitate to go to the feedback section of the guide.
>Considering you didn't even look entirely at the spreadsheet, I find it a bit funny you're saying this.
>You just have to press that little tiny thing at the bottom that is barely visible
Well anyway now I know so thank you. No need to get upset, I was strictly speaking how I was feeling about it and surely I wasn't and I won't be the only one. It is itself a form of feedback.
I'll be sure to post suggestions if I have any though.
I'm not upset or angry, sorry if it seemed that way. But honestly, complaining about the CoR in the threads won't change anything, hence why I said: If you have a better idea, be sure to post it in the feedback section.
>Setsuna's Sacrifice and Snow
I hope this is bait.
You should read this, http://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=%E3%81%84%E3%81%91%E3%81%AB%E3%81%88&ref=sa
For those of you who are still confused, remember your favorite shounen jump's serial. There ought to be character with titles there, hiken no Ace, or sharingan no kakashi. In English it's fire fist Ace and sharingan Kakashi.
So yuki no setsuna is snow Setsuna. Since there is ikenie and yuki, japanese norm is to state the first one mentioned first so it becomes "Sacrifice and snow Setsuna".
Now because it's English, "Setsuna of sacrifice and snow" sounds better. The same way Kakashi's becomes "Kakashi of the Sharingan" and Fire Fist Ace's should be "Ace of the Fire Fist" as well, literally speaking.
I'd like to do a kanji study for the purpose of learning to write, but also because I think it will help me stop confusing words with similar kanji.
What is the best way to set up anki cards to prompt for writing kanji?
Buy a good kanji book. Learn the six classification of kanji, 形成文字 is a good term to know. Know about 音符 and 音符, and also being aware of the existence of 当て字 and other irregular readings.
Now study and utilize Anki like you usually do.
I'm more so just curious about the best way to prompt for writing because it seems like putting the actual character there would kind of be cheating.
Like what should the front of the card be?
Two years of doing the core6k decks. I did nothing else. I still have alot of trouble reading anything as I'm too lazy to read anything about grammar so I just guess. Though I did read some basic stuff.
I got a third right on the n3 sample test. Damn I feel so slow.
Do you want to write because you want be able to write and work for Japanese company? Or do you want to practice writing so that you won't confused one kanji and another?
If you want to be able to tell the difference between 会議 義理 礼儀 犠牲 then, what I said earlier.
If you want to write, the other anon is mostly correct, RTK is the most famous book on djt for the purpose of learning how to write kanji and while it's certainly a very good book, "best" is debatable.
I don't use Anki for writing practice so I can't give you answer on that aspect other than what pops onto my head when I read your question. Like maybe put on the front card the hiragana, i.e. れいぎ ぎり かいぎ ぎせい.
>RTK is the most famous book on djt for the purpose of learning how to write kanji and while it's certainly a very good book, "best" is debatable.
If you know any books that better than RTK for this exact purpose, I'd be glad to know. Besides, anon explicitly said he wanted to write. Knowing the kanji phonetic components is only going to help with reading, not actual writing.
What was your cards/day ratio? Sorry to say dude, but this looks horrible. Two years for Core 6k damn, what a chore.
The anon he's replying too said he wanted to write.
And this is why telling someone "Yo, just go do Anki" is a bad idea.
Sorry you fell for the meme, dude, and wasted 2 years at an extremely glacial pace on fucking newspaper words.
People seriously need to understand that anything past 2k is SOLELY for if you didn't really feel like reading that much and you need to stick to your 20-40 new words a day pace. You throw in some Core just to make up the numbers because you'll probably see those words at some point anyway.
You don't just sit back and go through core while not working on any of the other elements of Japanese. If you were having fun, you could have easily done 2-4 times more words daily without burning out.
>What was your cards/day ratio?
You can do that math yourself >>138669317
>And this is why telling someone "Yo, just go do Anki" is a bad idea.
He broke the two core tenants of anki - 1, he stopped adding new cards, and 2, he didn't mine his own new words. Nobody ever recommends to do anki and never read or never add new cards. It's always recommended with those two tenants implied or otherwise stated.
Asians are really obsessed with their weight so you'll no doubt hear these kinds of conversations frequently in Japan.
I completely made that up but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true considering how uncommon fat Asians are.
You should never go through the original 2k. Even if you wanted to go through 2k, you'd need the optimized i+1 version of the 2k (AKA nukemarine's version). That's the best way to go about Core. Don't try the old 2k, it's shit for learning.
It is the same. 2k (and 6k) is organized into steps of about 200 cards without much organization within the steps. The optimized version just puts the cards within the steps into an order based on kanji.
Japanese is going to be very useful in terms of advantages over my friends, for about the third time.
First time, he couldn't understand a south partk joke in Japanese.
Second time, couldn't find a song name due to Japanese.
And finally, just now, I realized Dark Souls 3 comes out about 2 weeks earlier in Japanese. I can buy it via my PS4 Japanese PSN account. He will wait while I don't have to. Haha.
Since I don't have plans beyond understanding how to read and listen, the 97-Day Kanji Challenge by Nihongoshark appealed to me since it was basically RTK but Kanji -> Keyword.
I'm about 750ish cards in, but at this point I'm wondering if I should just switch to doing one of the KanjiDamage decks since it seems like it'll take me closer to my goal in the end.
Do you guys think it's worth starting over? I'd like to get through a Kanji recognition deck before the summer, since that's when I'll really be trying to learn.
If you're already 750 cards in, then stay the course I'd say. Starting over with some new regimen is just going to be a huge waste of your time unless you're doing something retarded.
That anon also said
> it will help me stop confusing words with similar kanji.
>Knowing the kanji phonetic components is only going to help with reading, not actual writing.
I don't just say 音符 mate. I said 音符, 意符, and 形成文字。 Say 会ぎ。 I know it's a 義, but which 義?
Based on 意符, I can guesswork that it's "probably" the 言義 so 会議.
礼儀, same thing. It's a 人儀 so 礼儀. It doesn't always work every time as we all know, but it helps.
>If you know any books that better than RTK >for this exact purpose, I'd be glad to know.
Yeah totally. I prefer Hadamitzky's book to RTK. I compared both in the beginning and I like how Hadamitzky's book is structured compared to RTK.
Secondly, without going into much details, I much prefer Hadamitzky's radical explanations compared to Heisig's "primitive" explanations.
Somewhere before the first 100 kanji, Heisig taught a "primitive" called "mist" and "by one's side". That is Heisig's own entry for his book, not of the 214 kangxi radicals.
I also like the fact that Hadamitzky's book let me know that 心 is called りっしんべん since it helps me figured out that 忄is going to be on the 編 side of the kanji.
It's just preference. I know somebody who swore by RTK, another that used Hadamitzkys, and somebody else whose favorite kanji book is Kanji in Context, which is no longer in publication.
Reordering kanji to make it easier to memorize is done by other kanji books too these days, RTK is not the only one that does that. I don't disagree that RTK is excellent, "best" is just debatable to me.
It's really hard to say... If you just started out I'd say to KD, but as you are already so far in... Although you might just do KD with more new cards (40 a day or something) as you should already know many.
Honestly, on djt I have a slight opinion that it's not that necessary to know how to write, especially if the main goal is to play VN. I think writing is only ever useful for those whose goal is beyond just japanese comprehension. Like maybe working in Japan or for japanese company or something.
Thanks for the reference, I didn't know! And by best, I don't mean best kanji book, I mean best kanji book to learn how to write. This is quite different. I don't think there's a better order that RTK for learning how to write.
Japan have Metabo Law. When they are middle-aged, their waistline can't past 36, or something. I don't remember.
I have a request. Can you give one specific example of kanji -> keyword in Nihongoshark?
What's the keyword for 義?
On RTK 義 -> Righteousness. Next to it is written "sheep...ego". So the 義 kanji's RTK's own primitive is "sheep".
How does Nihongoshark tackle the 義 kanji? Can you check it out for me? I'm somewhat curious.
I played smtiv final till about the whole polytheism god coalition thing. I'm like 1 year into learning japanese.
It's doable and I got a lot of new words out of it. At least 1 boss talked in some archaic bullshit speech though.
How should I tackle this? Anyone who already went through the deck and could give me a few pointers?
The whole thing is basically RTK further modified, so the keywords and primitives are the same as far as I know. The front card is just the Kanji, the back has the keyword, stroke order, and a story.
＞忄is called りっしんべん
Yes. I was wrong on the 心 part, thank you for the correction! I copy-pasted忄from wiki's 心部 entry. Thanks for the advice on IME, I didn't know that.
> I don't think there's a better order that RTK for learning how to write.
Like I said, RTK is not the only book that reorder Kanji to make it easier to learn. Some other books out there are doing it too these days.
That said, if it's specifically about order, I agree with you that RTK is excellent in ordering. It makes it easy to write while keeping the momentum going.
Sure I can see that knowing the "mist" primitive will makes it easier to write 朝 and knowing the "sheep" primitive will make it easier to write 義.
But then I have to remember these "mist", "sheep", "by one's side", etc primitives that Heisig made.
Heisig's personal systematic primitives that aren't part of the 214 radicals is just confusing to me personally.
>best kanji book to learn how to write.
I use the Hadamitzky's book for my writing study, and I do find it better in terms of my own progress.
Though specifically in terms of absolute 1-2000 kanji order, RTK order is better.
I believe Wanikani itself teaches radicals before you can move on to kanji, but either way, radicals -> kanji/vocab is the common practice. Learn radicals so you can break down/understand kanji, learn kanji so you can read vocab, learn vocab to learn kanji better, that's how it goes
I meant, including the resources we have at DJT. I don't know for Kodansha since I only have the dictionary app.
Yes, I'm only speaking about the order to write. I don't really like his primitives either.
>I meant, including the resources we have at DJT. I don't know for Kodansha since I only have the dictionary app.
That's fair. I dont even know if there is a rip of the Kodansha course anywhere you pretty much have to buy it physically if you want it which is obviously a lot less convenient for many people.
I think it's pretty much the best singular resource for learning kanji though, especially for someone who wants to write.
Thanks for the info anon, you're very kind. Good luck on your study regardless of what you decide with your choices.
What about utilizing both? Use Core 6k on your Anki and do KD one way or another.
I read KD website (just several pages so far), for the laugh. Does the deck retains all his website's information? Like the Beta tag, his list of vocabs, and explanation of the context of when said vocabs are used?
If I were in your shoe, I would read his website first before I turn to the KD deck, in case the deck is not an exact copy-paste of his website.
Or you can just do the KD deck if you think it's more beneficial, I don't know.
Kodoku no Gurume/Solitary Gourmet seems like it would be a pretty good thing to leave on the background and glance at from time to time while not-learning Japanese.
I only just started on the first episode but I recommend it.
It's short too. 12 episodes and each only 24 minutes long.
It's a live action drama just so you understand.
The deck has all that stuff from his website + stroke orders, I've only ver gone there following the links in his vocab sections.
I was asking something more along the lines of what do those two KD decks have to offer that a regular KD deck doesn't.
> Sick for a few days
> Have important course at work so I can't just stay sick at home
> Retention is abysmal with all the pain in head and chest
At least I can relax listening to some 18+ audio material and
get a hands-free orgasm.
>KanjiDamage Plus+ deck
I at least have a superficial knowledge about this one. Somebody wrote on djt that Plus+ deck changes some of KD's mnemonics, particularly those that are too edgy. I'm not sure if the person that said that (and provided the DL link), was the editor of Plus+ deck or just passing information he knows and DL link.
Not sure what the REORDERED one advantages are.
>tell Anki it's the same than the other one?
kek, I don't think that's possible no. You're better off just finishing KD and renaming yourself the radicals that don't work with you. (That's what I did personally.)
I wonder if it's a good idea to mine from a word list of all words in a novel
For example in my mining deck I have 10k words, and the word list for LOGH was 20k words, so by default I don't know a minimum of 10k words from it, so perhaps mining the most common ones I didn't know would be wise.
You don't know how glad I am to see that.
My online name for a bunch of stuff is "Inukai", "PM_Inukai", etc, because I respect that guy so much.
I did 10-20 new words a day for awhile, then recently I did 40 words a day for at least a month maybe two; it all adds up to to 16 months.
I mention mining from a word list because I actually have 23 unseen words left and thus can no longer do 40 words/day. The normal stuff I'm compelled to read doesn't have enough vocab so this seems like a good compromise between reading compelling content + still making progress in anki (frankly it's this or stop doing new cards in anki).
>I mention mining from a word list because I actually have 23 unseen words left and thus can no longer do 40 words/day. The normal stuff I'm compelled to read doesn't have enough vocab so this seems like a good compromise between reading compelling content + still making progress in anki (frankly it's this or stop doing new cards in anki).
It's not a bad idea at all then. But you should try to read more varied things.
>But you should try to read more varied things.
I read a variety of things, some chuunige here, a moege here, the wikipedia page for market economies there. The only time I get significant enough vocab to effectively mine is when I read so much a day I'm forcing myself to keep doing, or when I read something I don't want to in the first place. For example, I'm interested in LOGH, but it's stuffy enough and I read slow enough that I get bored pretty quickly and would rather read other things. This is a weakness I acknowledge but none the less must work with or, preferably, around (via wordlist).
>Are all the N1 grammar points in the DOJG?
Or well, I don't know if there's an official list of the grammar points for each level, but there's a couple of points that aren't covered in DOJG that you find in prep books for N1.
It's pretty difficult to draw a line between grammar and just words and their use.
Even a lot of the N1 "grammar" is just words which have a kind of specific usage but which no Japanese person would call grammar.
Box - Boxes
Ox - not Oxes but Oxen
Mouse - Mice
House - Not Hices but Houses
Language is only "perfectly" "sensible" to it's natives.
DoAG is a dictionary, if you want to prepare for N1, get an N1 preparation book. I think.
How can you read slowly if it's been so long you've started reading and you already have more than 2k mined words?
Let's say, all the common grammar points that Japanese know.
I don't want to prepare for the N1 directly, I'm just curious.
Lots of unknown words. Slow is pretty relative, it's slow for me. I pick up a LN and pause maybe for one word. I pick up LOGH and every line has a high chance of containing an unknown word, probably more. Plus frequently I need to re-read sections to understand the underlying point in the context of the series.
But then, how are you gonna be able to get better if you don't confront yourself to harder works that require you to do exactly that? Unless your goal is to stay at your level, but then what use is there in mining a word list?
How many "guys" we should collectively ignore that are on djt just to mess the threads?
There is that one guy that rarely use capital letters.
There is another guy that always say the opposite of other people's advice and argue semantically just to incite reaction.
There is another guy that always said "beginner should not give advice".
How many people you think are on djt that we should collectively ignore to make djt a better place? Or are those 3 people all the same guy?
Ah yeah, I also remember there is this one guy that talked about purple prose or some stuff, and his opponent that was talking in a paragraph describing cat jumping from a tree, to argue the 'purple prose' guy.
>Ah yeah, I also remember there is this one guy that talked about purple prose or some stuff, and his opponent that was talking in a paragraph describing cat jumping from a tree, to argue the 'purple prose' guy.
This one was great.
Because you don't know the exact context of the word, it could mean something else. If anything, go for J-J cards. And just learning new words won't make it easier to understand the underlying point in the context of the series.
I find that context is often over-rated in the context of learning vocabulary so I'm not worried about that.
Re-reading sections is not due to lack of proficiency in the language it's just a natural result of reading more difficult material. I re-read stuff in English too.
I think that is the case for the beginner stuff, but when you enter the realm of more advanced Japanese vocabulary, words tend to have a lot more nuances than a single word in English. It's the same in English, really. There are words you can't simply translate without losing a little meaning.
>Re-reading sections is not due to lack of proficiency in the language it's just a natural result of reading more difficult material. I re-read stuff in English too.
Perhaps, but then you shouldn't be doing that often, LOGH is not the hardest thing to read in English. I don't think you'd be rereading in English every chapter to make sure you understood.
Alright my very first question is, the past few hours djt have been very civil. Like C I V I L. Where are those people? Were they simultaneously got banned at the same time or they just happened to be absent at the exact same time of day, like how the 7 skies just happened to align after centuries like in Thor The Dark World?
> 'purple prose' guy
> 'overly descriptive in purple prose' guy
>This one was great.
I don't understand where that 2 guys came from. They are japanese learners like us? I mean, I understand study method wars, but a war about "what is the proper way to make descriptions in fictional writings" is just so far out of japanese and djt, it hurts my head how were those 2 so passionate in defending their position for hours.
The Japanese guys. Are there 2 japanese guys here, 'imouto uploader' anon, and 'English-speaking Japanese' anon or is there only 1 guy?
Or is it three guys? I remember there is another guy that gives advice about chicks and 実体験 a week or so back.
I actually think that's the opposite of true. Beginner stuff requires a lot of context to understand whereas more advanced stuff is less nuanced due to how rarely its used, and the high number of basic nouns/verbs.
>They are japanese learners like us? I mean, I understand study method wars, but a war about "what is the proper way to make descriptions in fictional writings" is just so far out of japanese and djt, it hurts my head how were those 2 so passionate in defending their position for hours.
We're on 4chan, people get offended for nothing.
>it hurts my head how were those 2 so passionate in defending their position for hours.
The prose discussion ended quite quickly, it was hours of personal attacks and defense.
>Where are those people?
Right here baby.
I politely disagree. While beginners have a lot of adverbs and verbs that have multiple meaning, the higher register used in more complex pieces (such as poetry or novels) have a very subtle meaning (hence why they're used over their simpler counterpart).
Of course, it depends on what you're reading. If by complex we mean a tutorial on how to code in C++, then indeed the words will be very specific. But in fiction, words tend to be more subtle than we really think they are. We use context a lot when we're reading to guess the meaning of the word, even when we don't exactly know the full meaning of it. That's why people doing essays and such use a dictionary to make sure that the words in the title have the exact meaning they're thinking of.
Well yeah but we are on djt. There is only one djt in /a/. I actually wondered whether they are actually currently learning japanese or whether they were unrelated party that just happened to found that djt thread and subsequently argued the thread for hours on end.
> it was hours of personal attacks and defense.
There you go.
>Well yeah but we are on djt. There is only one djt in /a/. I actually wondered whether they are actually currently learning japanese or whether they were unrelated party that just happened to found that djt thread and subsequently argued the thread for hours on end.
>>138673733 even told you he was the guy that argued.
I see what you mean, but that layer of subtlety is pretty insignificant in works like LOGH as far as I'm concerned. It (and novels like it) puts plot and ideas first and uses words clearly and directly to describe them. Not a whole lot of subtly. In a lot of the fiction/sci-fi books I read, even in English, it's generally the same.
Furthermore! What I've discovered is that even natives struggle with that layer of subtlety. Natives learn words purely through context and exposure (plus school vocab lists), and that results in a lot of misunderstandings building up, or otherwise basic understandings of words. So, I'm not too worried about piercing that veil. That goes beyond learning a foreign language, and enters the territory of academic mastery of a language, as far as I'm concerned.
in high school, back when we lived in a world where the towers hadnt fallen, i used to bring japanese materials into my spanish class and would spend the that period studying japanese
it was a time where you could get away with using online translation sites for all of your assignments, even composition, so thats how i still passed spanish without learning any of it
I haven't read that much sci-fi so I admit you must be right. Still, I think that a lot of novels use words that have more subtle meanings. But well, that's not what we're talking about there.
Of course it depends on what you want to achieve. When I'm learning a new language, I try to learn the most accurate definition of a word I can get before moving on. Since I'm not a native, it allows me to rely on something else than my intuition only (which might be flawed). Having said that, the only other language I've learned aside from my mother tongue is English (and progressively Japanese), so I might be wrong into thinking that Japanese vocabulary works the same way.
>bought a used book of compelling content from amazon
>find one of those tiny photo booth prints stuck in between two of the pages
what am i looking at?
I don't think a word list provides a definition of the word in Japanese, just a translation of it that might be flawed.
You can if you want to, but it's usually easier with some vocab under your belt. That's a personal choice.
I feel so stupid right now. Then indeed, it's a great idea to pick up vocab from this list. I didn't have access to the list so I assumed it was a regular word list you find in beginners' sites on Japanese.
What a coincidence. I just started reading the manga yesterday.
sorry for the english page, I only have my opt folder in this computer
In case you somehow missed it, Theodor W. Adorno is German and thus whether the Japanese or English translation relates more closely to his original quote is impossible to know without also knowing the German.
>しのぶれど 色に出でにけり わが恋（こひ）は
What the fuck does this mean. Older stuff always confuses me. All I got was:
>Although I try to hide it, my love is visible by the tint in my complexion
The second line is really tripping me up. If someone can break down the grammar as if you're speaking to a 5-year-old it would help a lot.
I read through some of the anki manual but I couldn't really find anything about this.
How can I increase the "due" number for the day? Something's gone funny and it's only giving me like 13 due for each deck
Set it at 9999. Never set your reviews at 100, it'll limit them. As for the reviews, if you only have been doing 20 so far, it's normal and that's the way anki is made to be. However, if you wanna have more reviews, you can always do a custom study, but you're kinda breaking the rules there by cheating. SRS is not made for custom study.
I use custom study sometimes. I usually do all my reps on the commute to work and if I feel like it I'll review some forgotten cards on the way back.
Nobody else here seems to have any yellow in their graphs, though.
Forgotten cards the night after is not a problem, but having daily custom study on the whole deck is a bad idea in my opinion.
Yes you will forget some, and that's normal. Wait until you've done more cards to see.
Not that bad, I'm doing KD right now (fifty cards a day). I ate while doing anki though, so I took quite some time.
Is this slow for KD? I feel like I could be doing a lot faster...
That many reviews is the main thing stopping me from increasing my new card count to 80. I guess I could just go for 60 to compromise and then do my reviews in chunks of 150-200 instead of doing them in one go, though.
I'm pretty sure he meant that it's a subscription by "it's more than 5 bucks", but in any case WK is not worth paying for, especially if you plan on reading in the first year and a half of your studies.
In the context of the quote chain, any opinion regarding WK is irrelevant. And come on, most people read *immediately* after Tae Kim/whatever grammar resource regardless of what SRS they use. Personally, I jumped right into reading VNs. Other than mined words, Anki has been completley redundant from the start for me.
this is why i stay around 15 new a day, for those nights of terrible sleep and the last cards just feel like banging a square peg into a round hole
People have different ways of learning, WK has some features that legitimately help certain people learn more effectively than something like Anki would
What does it matter to you what that guy does with his money? Maybe it would be a good decision and he'd have an easier time with Japanese, or maybe it'll be a shit decision and he will have parted with his money for nothing, either way it doesn't matter at all
That's subjective. If you've already starting reading and only use SRS to solidify kanji/vocab, the pace at which you do so is irrelevant. WK's method of forcing you to get both the readings and meanings right several times before allowing you to move on is one of its most appealing features. It can't be reproduced in Anki, making the WK deck nothing but an RTK/2k/6k/ alternative.
I think you should get the fuck out with your close-mindedness or at the very least stop giving any sort of advice.
>bookmarking pedo files
just download it ffs
>That's subjective. If you've already starting reading and only use SRS to solidify kanji/vocab, the pace at which you do so is irrelevant.
Not really, especially if you want to add words and kanji from things that you're reading that aren't in WK and a lot of the words you're adding you're not going to see in reading often enough to not use SRS for.
>WK's method of forcing you to get both the readings and meanings right several times before allowing you to move on is one of its most appealing features. It can't be reproduced in Anki, making the WK deck nothing but an RTK/2k/6k/ alternative.
So what you're basically saying is that you lack the self control to just hit again when you're wrong? Got it. If you mean forcing input, then it's possible to enable textbox input on Anki.
Money has literally nothing to do with it. Why do people get the idea that the cost is the main issue with WK? The site could be completely free and I would still tell you to use the deck. It has a number of problems that the deck does not have and even setting most of them aside, the maximum pace you can go at is pretty much the minimum recommended pace here, meaning there is no room for improvement. If you're going by the mentality of "the version that costs money is better", then you might as well get Rosetta Stone because that costs a lot of money therefore it must be really good.
>WK's method of forcing you to get both the readings and meanings right several times before allowing you to move on
Wait, you pass cards in anki when you don't remember what's on them?
Yeah like that, some personality types benefit greatly from shit like that
Anki is confusing as shit for beginners, for one you have to pick the decks yourself, and you have to edit the options accordingly, of which there are a fuck ton of
>for one you have to pick the decks yourself
We tell you what decks to use.
>and you have to edit the options accordingly, of which there are a fuck ton of
We tell you what settings to change and what to change them to.
>Anki is confusing as shit for beginners, for one you have to pick the decks yourself, and you have to edit the options accordingly, of which there are a fuck ton of
Not really though, the /djt/ even created the anki startup guide for dummies that can't figure it out at all.
>Yeah like that, some personality types benefit greatly from shit like that
Then just use habitica in conjunction with Anki. You got all the profits from both systems.
You're not looking at it the same way.
Her mannerisms after she fell are staged.
There was nothing genuine in her reaction to tripping up.
Just another plastic mask that idol hopefuls wear during degrading game-shows while they hope to break into the industry .
In addition to >>138679771, the manual makes it easy to tell what the options do.
If that's still too hard, there's always the learner pack that handholds you through it. If you're still too confused, then Japanese probably isn't for you to be brutally honest.
>Anki is confusing as shit for beginners
if you find setting up anki troublesome then learning japanese is the least of your problems
I wasn't talking about myself personally you confrontational fucks, I've been doing this shit for 3 years, all I was saying is that WK is less intimidating than Anki
I don't even give a fuck about WK, I'm not autistic enough to take sides with software, but the mob mentality on here is so bad you retards just throw out all logic out and do mental gymnastics to convince yourself WK is the devil
>but the mob mentality on here is so bad you retards just throw out all logic out and do mental gymnastics to convince yourself WK is the devil
If you want WK, you can use the pirated deck. If you want to pay for the service, you should probably kill yourself.
But Anki isn't intimidating. The only part that I found a bit confusing was when to use hard vs good, but even that is fairly common sense and a quick search in the manual, archive, or asking what people do in the thread is enough to solve that problem.
If the site didn't limit your pace so heavily so that you could go through it in 3-6 months if you wanted to and people didn't force it so fucking hard (whether it was ironic shitposting or legitimate shilling) a few months ago resulting in in being so hated now, then it probably wouldn't be that bad, but the pacing alone is enough to write it off as bad here.
If you're the sort of person who needs the amount of handholding and slow pacing that WK has even with the Anki guides/packages that already hold your hand really hard, then DJT really isn't the place for you, let alone learning Japanese. You'd probably fit in better at /r/learnjapanese in that case.
Wanting to be a part of escapism a waste of talent.
That people have to go through intense trials just to become a way for Japan to look past its bad economy isn't a good job in any way.
Plus some things in this thread >>138667780
Looks like acting to me
Why do you always have a spergout whenever WK is brought up? You completely shit up the thread, destroying any hope for recovery until the new one is made. The next time you see WK mentioned here, do us all a favor and just shut. The. Fuck. Up.
More like DJT has a pretty strong attitude of pushing yourself and studying independently, so if you're the kind of person who wants hand holding and are intimidated by something as user-friendly as Anki then you probably won't fit in. I think that's a fair assessment.