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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://bitlasers.com/djt

Previous Thread: >>138622484
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話せば分かる!
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はそっ
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Anyone know what the last character is? I tried drawing it several times and got nothing
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>2chan
>ふた channel

>4chan
>よつ channel
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>>138658404
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>>138658436
Thank you
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>do anki reps at 9pm
>fail like every third young card

>do anki reps at 8am
>manage 200 reviews with only two or three relearns

Remember to always start your day with Anki, DJT!
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>>138658404
>>138658462
部首知っていませんのか?
日と頁と疋で作りました
すごく簡単ですよ
学べ
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>>138658405

When I was first starting I fucking despised the different ways of counting things.
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>>138658490
>Usually do reps some time between 10pm - 2am
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>>138658528
3 years later and I still do
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>>138658490
It seems like the opposite for me.
The other day I did my reps at 3am and did amazingly well, even remembering words that I always seem to fail.
Might just be a coincidence though.
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>>138658531
same, precisely. to be specific, i start at 10 pm and finish at 2 am.
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>>138658543

Counting generally and to a lesser extent counting days is the one thing I always feel I need to keep revised on
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>>138658404
その太鼓の達人バージョンはどれですか。

also I love/hate taiko's font, it looks good but the stroke style can really catch you off guard with some otherwise extremely simple characters
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>>138658618
I love/hate it too for the same reason
I thought pic related was む for the longest time
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Why are Japanese emojis so based

I quite like ( ̄▽ ̄)
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>>138658798
キタ━━━━(゚∀゚)━━━━!!
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>>138658490
>>138658560
Well, good thing Anki has a graph for success rate for each hour of the day. Post'em.
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what happened to nama sensei's videos? they're all private and i can't get my daily fill of bitch and beer
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>>138658990
It's his way of letting you know you didn't need him all along. The bitch was within you all along.
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>>138659000


th-thanks
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>>138658907
キタ━━━(゚∀゚)━━━!!
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>>138659051
Actually I'm retarded I read it the wrong way. I'm going to delete my post out of embarrassment.
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>>138659071
I don't know what you posted but I'm going to look on an archive and laugh.
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>>138659066
That としあき anon sure is fucking dank.

>>138659071
キタ━━━━(゚∀゚)━━━━!!
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>mfw 「嫌い」 is actually 「な」 adjective and not 「い」 adj

how many irregular conjugates do we have in japanese besides the above and 来る?
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さちあれ!
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>>138659108
行く conjugating to 行った and 行って instead of 行いた and 行いて is an important one to remember.
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>>138659108
嫌い isn't regular in the sense that 来る is.
Here is a list of irregular conjugations:
https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/変格活用
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>>138659159
>行(い or ゆ)く
>行(い/おこな)った
>行(おこな)いて

行いた、と書けるにほんごをみたことはないよ。あたしの不勉強かもしれないよ

がんばってAnkiしてね。おにいちゃん
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>>138659232
>あたし
女ね、俺が猛牛を素手で倒せるのをどう思う君?
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>>138659288
お前ボケだぞ
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>>138659343
ボケって?でも牛を一撃できるのがバカなことと見えないだろうな…だろう?
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>>138659288
>>138659417
べこしばいて
べこべこにする
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Question:
Do body parts use ある or いる for existence?

Eg.
(My) hand is in (my) pocket

手がポケットの中にある
or
手がポッケトの中にいる

Which one is correct?
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>>138659704
>ポッケト
ignore that
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>>138659505
全然わからへんねんこれね
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Are there any IMEs out there that autocorrect わ to は and お to を?
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>>138660109
NおおB
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>>138659704
「は」でくっついて「ある」でおわるとおもうよ

>手はポケットの中にある

「が」でくっついて「いる」で終われるのは
生きている動物だけだよ

>小鳥がポケットの中にいる
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I have a kana writing test soon. Give me some exercises that involve using both hiragana and katakana :3
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>>138660545
http://realkana.com/
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Damn, some N1 grammar is pretty fuckin retarded. That said I could probably drill the nuanced meanings into my head with enough practice.
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>>138660545
Do you just need to write them or do you get marked for your penmanship?

か, ろ, る and え are all hard to get right.
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>>138660545
2/10 got me to reply
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>>138660728
I can read them I just need to be able to hand write them.
Give me some sentences senpai :3
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need a decent, free program (not anki ffs) to help me learn kanji

I was using wanikani and it was going ok because I needed the handholding until the little shit started asking for a subscription to keep going so I dropped it

I will never learn Japanese.
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>>138660999
Learn kanji through vocab, you dummy.
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Quick someone tell me how to remember that 戚 is せき
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>>138661052
read more
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>>138661069
I read all the fucking time but have only ever seen that word like once

The only reason I have difficulties with it is because I encountered 親睦 and 親戚 at the same time and now they're both mixed up in my head
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睦ぼく
陸りく
戚せき
威い
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>never managed to remember kana spellings
>somebody recommends adding audio to my deck
>remember everything now

thanks /djt/
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>>138661280
Damn that's pretty good, never again will those two words give my problems, thanks
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>仕事をするのを断れば
>仕事をし断れば

どっちが正しいかな
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>>138661090
>親戚
Just remember it as a set. I never see 戚 used anywhere else either. Not that I read a lot but from the things I read, it's either 親戚 or 姻戚
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威力の威
親戚の戚
静寂の寂

I can recognized.
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wew
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>hear character speaking in Kyoto dialect
Every time.
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>>138661663
関西弁はもっと気持ち悪いじゃん?
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>>138661598
??? What are you doing ???
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>>138661725
I prefer reading a physical copy.
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>>138660999
>handholding
nayr is making something but its not out yet, and i sont know if it will cost money

if ankis lack of context is your problem, tagaini jisho might be usable, but its even less intuitive to use for flash cards. great dictionary though
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>>138661598
>the shills claim another victim
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>>138661974
>shills for a freely available, useful resource
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>>138661753
acquire a tablet and read it like that
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>>138662011
>book
>free
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>>138660999
>need a decent, free program (not anki ffs) to help me learn kanji
Why not Anki?
Anyway, you're not going to like this but here is a solution that will more or less force you to "learn" kanji.
Work through Remember the Kanji, book one, using Anki with a good RTK deck.
This link has both the book and deck- neat.
https://mega.nz/#F!CMtGhCzD!2Yw8vL8jw3vei7QkGyno-w

OR

Work your way through Kanji Damage, using the website for reference and a good KD deck in Anki.
www.kanjidamage.com/
Choose one of these
Official KanjiDamage deck REORDERED
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1917095458
KanjiDamage Plus+ deck
https://mega.nz/#!CQg0SKyI!Ufho0RKmmW8P6XRx8KiDY1JeAXoGOgmjrEscayil8cA

OR go straight into a kanji deck. I suggest one of the following:
Kanji production deck with stroke order diagrams, RTK/frequency/etc. orders, example words, keywords, readings, etc.
https://mega.nz/#!jx0TUSyJ!Rohq5IgT3JDRHtBN5e4VLXHzY8i9SniF9EhrlzHbVSI
Kanji by Frequency with Stroke Animations
mega:///#!EMQRBa4C!o8o5g1SAVQcA9L3kxcidgLkpFAowt2q5sUju_pNfKuE
All in One Kanji Deck
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/798002504

Do this alongside something like the Core series decks avaliable in the CoR -I recommend the Core10k deck- and it will be almost impossible not to "learn" kanji. It also takes fuck all effort and you will retain the knowledge. In six months time you will know more about kanji than you will likely be able to forget. That will be enough for everything you will likely want to study in relation to kanji, unless you want to take a crack at Kanken some time later. Realistically I just gave you the steps and instructions that will product better and faster results than wanikani, for free.
DJTへようこそ
どうぞごゆっくりなさってください
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まくらが難解
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fajFNtZq54
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>>138662414
I know this kills it, but could you please explain the joke?
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>>138662458
sure, if you don't find it yourself soon enough
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>>138662475
My bad, I'm guessing that was the entire context? I assumed you cut out the relevant part of the statement which I assumed would have fallen after ー. Is that Jisho?
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>>138662547
that's the whole entry. it's a freq dict of japanese. it has all sorts of minor errors. in this case, the japanese example sentence literally doesn't have the japanese word
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>>138662625
Pretty awkward for such a publication.
It at least expresses the concept, I guess.
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>>138662218
more music like in the beginning please
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>>138661923

Its not the lack of context, but the lack of input. Wanikani forced me to learn through writing shit.

The way anki works with trying to learn in your head with only a couple of buttons to press if you learned it or not wasn't interactive enough for me.

What I'm looking for is a free version of wanikani. I think it's the best for retards like me who can't learn normally.
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>>138662739
so use the on screen whiteboard to draw before reveling the answer
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>>138662684
imo they were forced to publish before they had enough editing time. theres a lot of variation in whether parts of speech contractions have periods at the end too, and amari ia marked wrong. still, the actual frequency list is a lot better than what i could make and the long prologue essay on the purpose and work put into making it is pretty good

>>138662739
you can have text fields in anki too, but you still have to pre fail.hard.etc yourself. check tha manual for info
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Guys, can you help me understand something? I'm playing めぐりあう2人の名探偵 on the ds. Since I'm terrible at recognizing compressed kanji, I turned on the furigana option. I got to the part where a former female schoolmate of Kindaichi sent him a letter asking for help. My question is, why was there a furigana used for 私 while there was none for 手紙?
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>>138662857
Maybe to show what type of 私 was used? It can be pronounced わたし、あたし、わし、わたくし etc, depending on the type of person
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>>138662857
watashi's official reading is watakushi, which is so formal it hurts. there are also some other common normal readings of it, like atashi. marking the reading is probably a way to disamviguate it for the context its in.
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>>138662739
The deck in this post >>138662142 under the description
>Kanji production deck with stroke order diagrams, RTK/frequency/etc. orders, example words, keywords, readings, etc.
Is production orientated so you have to write the kanji out correctly to pass the card.

How does that differ to this wanikani you seem to think you can advertise and get away with?

It is obvious what intentions here are, anon.
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>>138662739
Get a notebook and write? It's not that hard.
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>>138662901
>>138662906
Ah alright. To differentiate things. Thanks. I was just confused because I saw わたし as the reading for 私 written on the sent letter so I'm like, wait, he knew who sent it so what's with the reading?
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There's a fair amount of jap streamers on twitch if you didn't know
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>>138663397
Varför ville man titta på dom?
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>>138663397
Can't imagine Twitch is any less cancerous in Japanese

At least kappa would be somewhat more relevant
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>>138663432
Dumma hanrej
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>>138663505
A Swede is calling me a cuck.
まさか
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>>138663397
Is there a text version for those of us with third world standard Internet?
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>>138663733
Twitch chat works through IRC and there is an audio-only channel that you can listen to (with livestreamer or the mobile app).
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>>138661334
Not sure but,
仕事をするのは断れば
Seems better.
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>>138662739
WK is 5 bucks. If its exact methods hit home with you, there's nothing stopping you from using it. It's possible to learn vocab *entirely* from text-hooking without ever touching Anki. WK's speed wouldn't make a difference in this scenario.
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Man I see でも all the time but I still don't feel like I fully understand it
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>>138664421
>there's nothing stopping you from using it.
The fact it's objectively inferior to anki in every way should be a strong factor in not using it
http://pastebin.com/ujNXfMtB
> It's possible to learn vocab *entirely* from text-hooking without ever touching Anki.
Yeah it's possible to learn everything exposure, doesn't mean you want to do it or it's the best way
>WK's speed wouldn't make a difference in this scenario.
May as well not use WK if it's speed doesn't make a difference.
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>>138664535
>new IP
>post obvious directed at someone who specificallt said that he couldn't learn from Anki and liked WKs methods
Are you literally retarded, anon? Well?
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>>138664535
>Yeah it's possible to learn everything exposure, doesn't mean you want to do it or it's the best way
I've learned vocab entirely through text hooking for about a year now, and I can read most moege without Rikaisama at this point. The main thing to note here is that not a single moment has been a frustrating, dull grind. It is infinitely better than forcing yourself through 500+ reviews each day. Perhaps not as efficient, but then again, I've never been close to burnout or questioned why I'm learning Japanese.
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>On hellotalk
>Misspell 話しましょう as 話しましぉう because typing on a phone is aids
>Person I'm talking to doesn't even bring it up
>"I think your Japanese is good!"

Why are women so useless
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>>138664848
Most people don't read a single letter at a time, dude.
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>>138664848
They probably knew it was a typo.
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>>138664888
I suppose, I don't like the idea I could be talking complete shit and people are just too nice to correct me though, I guess it's still better than nothing though
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>>138664848
気をつかう。空気を読む。 It's a part of their culture. The opposite of that is ケイワイ (KY).

>>138664971
Same answer as the above.
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>>138664510
Are you aware that there's a usage that means "or something"?. Like in お茶でも飲まないか "Do you want to drink tea or something?"
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Has anyone ever made a deck with words from 歌付き?
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>>138665195
歌詞*
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>>138665195
You could be the first.
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>>138665195
Is there a deck for prefectures and other major place names?
Is there a deck for counters?
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>>138665275
Yes there is. What I was asking was: Is it worth it or are they always using the same words?
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>>138664566
People who say they can't learn from anki are delusional and haven't spent enough time with the program.
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>>138664535
>Wanikani throws all legitimacy to the window >and makes radical names up from scratch.
Just fyi, RTK is guilty of this as well. In my limited observation of KD, it does too. It's not just Wanikani that is a little creative with English name of radicals.
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>>138665252
待たせたぞい
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>リンピックの花形競技

Would this be refering to olympic events that star players compete in, or the events which are the best/most famous themselves like the 100m sprint/swimming/etc?
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>>138662944

Fuck man I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to instruct retards like me.

I'll definitely check that out. I really want to learn this language and since there's no Japanese language institute around my area I'll have to self-learn which I'm horrible at.
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>>138665603
If you have some doubts on what you should do, don't forget to consult the guide. It's filled with lots of good information.
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風の経つのは。。。早い。
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Could I get some help translating this? I think the picture Is from NGE.
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>>138665675
>風の経つ
??
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>>138665736
The speed of light
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So I'm currently learning kanjidamage and core2k deck at the same time.

Am I doing this right?
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>>138665642

I'm aware of the guide but I'm such a fucking failure that I keep giving up and coming back, each time with a different excuse as to why I can't learn the language.

I've read Tae Kim's grammar guide but I should read it again.
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>>138665741
>経つの
>経つこと
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>>138665753
Thank you
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>>138665815
That's not the problem. How does 風 relate to 経つ in the first place. Here's the definition :

[動タ五(四)]《「立つ」と同語源》

1 時が過ぎる。「日が―・つ」「いつまで―・っても帰ってこない」
2 ろうそくや油などが燃え尽きる。
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>>138664848
It's not that they're useless. It's because most people are not autists, anon.
They don't sperg out over typos or misspelled words. That only happens when talking to objectively superior nihilist fedorad gentlemen on internet forums.
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>>138665861
I don't know man, I didn't write it.
I assume they mean something like "the passing of the wind"
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>>138665891
Obviously I don't care about something like that it just makes me wonder about what not so obvious mistakes I may be making
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>>138665861
風立つ
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>>138666318
「立つ」と「経つ」は違うけど。
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What's the fuggin' logic behind this idiom meant to be?
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>>138666422
Without hiding anything, you dumb sack of shit. It's not "to tell the truth", it's "To tell you the truth,".
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How many new cards should I have per day in Anki?
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>>138666477
Depends on you, ファミコン.
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>>138666471
>Without hiding anything
Except then it should be 何も隠すまい or some shit, how the hell could 何を隠そう be interpreted as that, fucking elevents.
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Why is Holo talking in the dialect of ancient high class prostitutes

Why is my waifu talking like a whore
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>>138666566
What? It makes perfect sense even in english. Without wanting to hide anything.
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>>138666598
Anon... Are you sitting down?
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>>138666598
>he didn't realise she was a whore
I mean, the clue is in her fucking name. It's WHORO for god's sake.
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>>138666612
Not that anon but where is 'without' implied in 何を隠そう ?
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Anyone got that beginner's VN chart? Searching the archive only brings up the "not beginner VNs" chart.
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>>138666384
>Without wanting to hide anything
Except that's not what 何を隠そう alone would mean on its first reading without knowing the idiom, it'd be "What shall I/we hide" or something.
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>>138666612
How is it without, though?
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>>138666666
fuck japan
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>>138666664
I guess you meant >>138666612 ?
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>>138666664
meant for
>>138666612

Not sure how that happened.
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>>138666659
In return you can stop abusing spoilers.
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>>138666837
>recommends hanahira

every single recommendation on that image instantly became invalid
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>>138666921
What's wrong with Hanahira?
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>>138666659
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>>138666422
This explanation makes sense

http://www.fleapedia.com/%E4%BA%94%E5%8D%81%E9%9F%B3%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%87%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9/%E3%81%AA/%E4%BD%95%E3%82%92%E9%9A%A0%E3%81%9D%E3%81%86-%E3%81%A8%E3%81%AF-%E6%84%8F%E5%91%B3/
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>>138666969
Doesn’t exactly rate much more than a few paragraphs, really.


The VN does have a couple of funny lines or so, but otherwise it’s poorly written, poorly edited, incredibly cheap, and generally screams its being a cash-in from the rooftops. It’s a textbook example of hack writing.

And the VN is still better than the light novel, which is so badly written it’s borderline unreadable, particularly at the beginning.
Who thought it was a good idea to make it a series of disjointed lines like it were a transcribed VN? Or make the narrator a third-person person despite not being one in the VN? There’s also casual cheerful light-hearted mind rape via hypnosis. All ages!

The stories themselves are so fake, so manufactured, so forced, so devoid of anything remotely resembling a point or a soul that even their sugar tastes like plastic.

And it didn’t even have sex scenes! What a waste.


>t. the guy who translated it
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I can't find the WK deck in the guide nor in any of the pastebins I've opened.

Could someone tell me exactly where I could find it?
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>>138667133
https://mega.nz/#F!ZR80ST4I!T-UAh6nbx-snsiifhQM85Q
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>>138667098
You're the first I see having that opinion of the VN. I never read it so I can't compare but still, I think most people here play it because it's easy, not because it's the best or anything.
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>>138667191
Thanks. Where was I supposed to get that link?
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>>138667260
I dunno. I bookmarked it when it was posted.
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Beginner question, what kind of particle would be used for some thing like "actor IN this move" or "character IN that video game".
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>>138667282
I see. Not to be rude or anything but I feel like the DJT website could use some more organization.
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>>138667310
いん
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>>138667260
It is indeed in the guide. You just have to press the 教本 tab.
>>138667316
Considering you didn't even look entirely at the spreadsheet, I find it a bit funny you're saying this. If you have any suggestions though, don't hesitate to go to the feedback section of the guide.
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>>138667310
ゲームにの中のガラクタ
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>>138667371
I meant the CoR, not the guide. My bad.
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>>138663397
Why wouldn't you use niconico? You have streams 24/7
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>>138667433
NicoNico lowers quality during high load periods unless you buy a premium account. No thanks
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>>138667455
On streams? That happens only on normal videos.
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>>138667371
>Considering you didn't even look entirely at the spreadsheet, I find it a bit funny you're saying this.
>You just have to press that little tiny thing at the bottom that is barely visible
Well anyway now I know so thank you. No need to get upset, I was strictly speaking how I was feeling about it and surely I wasn't and I won't be the only one. It is itself a form of feedback.

I'll be sure to post suggestions if I have any though.
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Anybody here took j-cat? What were your scores and at which point of your study did you got that score?
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>>138665753
More like the speed of dark
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>>138667310
I think you could use の for that.

eg.

>この映画の俳優は上手です
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>>138667517
I'm not upset or angry, sorry if it seemed that way. But honestly, complaining about the CoR in the threads won't change anything, hence why I said: If you have a better idea, be sure to post it in the feedback section.
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>>138667499
It's reason enough to avoid the whole website for me.
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Is this RPG really called 'Setsuna's Sacrifice and Snow'? That would be a rather odd name:

http://www.jp.square-enix.com/setsuna/
>いけにえと雪のセツナ
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>>138667603
No worries I understand, will do if I have anything worthwhile to say.
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>>138667658
>Setsuna's Sacrifice and Snow
I hope this is bait.
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>>138667733
>いけにえ
Sacrifice

>と
between two nouns so 'and'

>雪
Snow

>の

>セツナ
Setsuna

What did I fuck up exactly
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>>138667733
Setsuna is the name of the main heroine, unless you think it's a word play with せつない which I don't think it is.
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>>138667658
いけにえ means (scape)goat. So it means setsuna's snow goat.
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>>138667797
Oh, my bad then.
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>>138667191
What am I supposed to do with the .DS_Store file?
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>>138667801
>いけにえ means (scape)goat
>only one of 5 pages I checked meantions that
So I'm plain retarded, I understand.This makes a lot more sense.
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>>138667658
>>138667801
Shouldn't it be "Setsuna of" and not "Setsuna's"?
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>>138667801
>setsuna's snow goat
But Setsuna is the nucleus of the phrase, it can't be Setsusna's.
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I want to setsuna Setsuna's setsunas
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>>138667658
Setsuna of Snow and Sacrifice
Maybe
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>>138667947
>Setsuna of the Snow Goat
That sounds wrong, but who knows it may be the right TL depending on the game.
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>>138668103
>Snow Goat
But いけにえと雪 doesn't mean snow goat
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Setsuna#cite_ref-6

> Ikenie to Yuki no Setsuna (Japanese: いけにえと雪のセツナ, lit. Setsuna of Sacrifice and Snow)
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>>138668142
Yes it does, the と is binding, look up advanced grammar.
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>>138668142
Isn't it literally 'Sacrifice/Scape goat and Snow'?
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>>138668152
I'm dead. The names are getting worse and worse.
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>>138668173
Yes, snow goat/sacrifice isn't the same as snow AND goat/sacrifice
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>Setsuna's sacrifice and snow
>Setsuna's snow goat

Come on guys, this is basic shit.


>>138668069
>>138668152
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>>138668228
I didn't think anyone would believe something so stupid either.
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>>138666837
Baldr Sky isn't that beginner friendly. Lots of unhookable text and plenty of dialog in gameplay that goes by really fast.
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>>138667881
Nothing, it's an OSX specific directory that contains metadata about the folder.
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>>138667797
>タイトルが意味深に思えますが、ズバリ、そこに込めた意味はなんでしょう?
>今回のゲームのコンセプトの1つに“切なさ”というものがあるんです。その“切なさ”からインスピレーションされた点が一番ですね。他にもいろいろと意味があるんですが、総合的な意味を込めて、“セツナ”という言葉を使っています。
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>>138668432
Well, it seems I was wrong, so it was related with 切ない
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>>138667801
You should read this, http://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=%E3%81%84%E3%81%91%E3%81%AB%E3%81%88&ref=sa

For those of you who are still confused, remember your favorite shounen jump's serial. There ought to be character with titles there, hiken no Ace, or sharingan no kakashi. In English it's fire fist Ace and sharingan Kakashi.

So yuki no setsuna is snow Setsuna. Since there is ikenie and yuki, japanese norm is to state the first one mentioned first so it becomes "Sacrifice and snow Setsuna".

Now because it's English, "Setsuna of sacrifice and snow" sounds better. The same way Kakashi's becomes "Kakashi of the Sharingan" and Fire Fist Ace's should be "Ace of the Fire Fist" as well, literally speaking.
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What's the best / most accurate voice generator for awesomeTTS?
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I'd like to do a kanji study for the purpose of learning to write, but also because I think it will help me stop confusing words with similar kanji.

What is the best way to set up anki cards to prompt for writing kanji?
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>>138668608
Pay a Japanese person to hang out with you all day and read things out loud for you.
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>>138668640
RTK is the best resource you can get for learning how to write. It's in the CoR under 教本.
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>>138668640
Buy a good kanji book. Learn the six classification of kanji, 形成文字 is a good term to know. Know about 音符 and 音符, and also being aware of the existence of 当て字 and other irregular readings.

Now study and utilize Anki like you usually do.
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>>138668726
>>138668824
I'm more so just curious about the best way to prompt for writing because it seems like putting the actual character there would kind of be cheating.

Like what should the front of the card be?
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>>138668852
Read the introduction of RTK.
You should be putting a keyword (you can also use a Japanese reading) on the front side and then write the kanji using the radicals you know.
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Two years of doing the core6k decks. I did nothing else. I still have alot of trouble reading anything as I'm too lazy to read anything about grammar so I just guess. Though I did read some basic stuff.

I got a third right on the n3 sample test. Damn I feel so slow.
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>>138667658
Is this a meme post? I'm sure I've seen this question before.
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>>138668852
Do you want to write because you want be able to write and work for Japanese company? Or do you want to practice writing so that you won't confused one kanji and another?
If you want to be able to tell the difference between 会議 義理 礼儀 犠牲 then, what I said earlier.

If you want to write, the other anon is mostly correct, RTK is the most famous book on djt for the purpose of learning how to write kanji and while it's certainly a very good book, "best" is debatable.

I don't use Anki for writing practice so I can't give you answer on that aspect other than what pops onto my head when I read your question. Like maybe put on the front card the hiragana, i.e. れいぎ ぎり かいぎ ぎせい.
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>>138669078
No shit you're going to feel slow if you just do two straight years of vocab, not to mention core vocab
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>>138669122
>RTK is the most famous book on djt for the purpose of learning how to write kanji and while it's certainly a very good book, "best" is debatable.
If you know any books that better than RTK for this exact purpose, I'd be glad to know. Besides, anon explicitly said he wanted to write. Knowing the kanji phonetic components is only going to help with reading, not actual writing.
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>>138669122
Name one situation where you would need to write. I'll give you taking notes even though you can do it in hiragana.
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>>138669271
... Not to mention that it took 16 months to get through 6,000 vocab (12.5 words a day) and then he spent 8-9 months doing no new words
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>>138669303

To impress girls in social situation :^)
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>>138669078
You can't learn Japanese.
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>>138669078
What was your cards/day ratio? Sorry to say dude, but this looks horrible. Two years for Core 6k damn, what a chore.
>>138669303
The anon he's replying too said he wanted to write.
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>>138669122
On KD production cards you have the 'meaning' of the kanji and the on and kun yomi.
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Why do so many of Tae Kim's example sentences have something to do with weight loss from not eating properly and stuff? Did he suffer from anorexia, or some shit?
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>>138669078
And this is why telling someone "Yo, just go do Anki" is a bad idea.

Sorry you fell for the meme, dude, and wasted 2 years at an extremely glacial pace on fucking newspaper words.

People seriously need to understand that anything past 2k is SOLELY for if you didn't really feel like reading that much and you need to stick to your 20-40 new words a day pace. You throw in some Core just to make up the numbers because you'll probably see those words at some point anyway.

You don't just sit back and go through core while not working on any of the other elements of Japanese. If you were having fun, you could have easily done 2-4 times more words daily without burning out.
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Are cards in Core2k in the same order as Core6k?
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>>138669542
It depends on the deck.
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>>138669344
>What was your cards/day ratio?
You can do that math yourself >>138669317
>>138669449
>And this is why telling someone "Yo, just go do Anki" is a bad idea.
He broke the two core tenants of anki - 1, he stopped adding new cards, and 2, he didn't mine his own new words. Nobody ever recommends to do anki and never read or never add new cards. It's always recommended with those two tenants implied or otherwise stated.
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>>138669609
You're fully aware that his new cards ratio might very well have fluctuated, right?
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>>138669449
>And this is why telling someone "Yo, just go do Anki" is a bad idea.
Literally no one has ever said that.
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>>138669437
Asians are really obsessed with their weight so you'll no doubt hear these kinds of conversations frequently in Japan.

I completely made that up but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true considering how uncommon fat Asians are.
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>>138669437
It's normal for Japanese and Korean people to talk about weight. At least for Japanese women, even the as-seen-on-TV カップサイズ is normal.
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Does anyone know where I can find the Core 2k deck? I honestly can't find a link to anything that isn't 6k or 10k.
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>>138669800
Why not simply go through the first 2k of the 2k/6k optimized in the CoR?
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>>138669767
Its true but for girls only
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>>138669842
Isn't the 2k/6k optimized in an order optimized to show you things based on kanji? Which would indicate that the first 2k of the 2k/6k isn't actually the same cards as 2k.
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>>138669903
You should never go through the original 2k. Even if you wanted to go through 2k, you'd need the optimized i+1 version of the 2k (AKA nukemarine's version). That's the best way to go about Core. Don't try the old 2k, it's shit for learning.
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>>138669903
It is the same. 2k (and 6k) is organized into steps of about 200 cards without much organization within the steps. The optimized version just puts the cards within the steps into an order based on kanji.
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Japanese is going to be very useful in terms of advantages over my friends, for about the third time.
First time, he couldn't understand a south partk joke in Japanese.
Second time, couldn't find a song name due to Japanese.
And finally, just now, I realized Dark Souls 3 comes out about 2 weeks earlier in Japanese. I can buy it via my PS4 Japanese PSN account. He will wait while I don't have to. Haha.
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>>138670039
Nice blog. Now fuck off.
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>>138670039
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>>138661598
Did he even try to make the cover look pretty?
Although the minimalist look isn't too bad.
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>>138670039
>He will wait while I don't have to.
Nice. Fuck that faggot
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>>138670129
I don't really like the color though. He could've used the app design at least.
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Guess what, DJT. The romaji revolution begins today. You don't live in Japan, and you never will.
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>>138670100
>>138670126
Thanks guys.
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>>138661598
If you're going to spend that much on a physical grammar, why wouldn't you spend your money on something more worthwhile like Japanese the Manga Way?
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Since I don't have plans beyond understanding how to read and listen, the 97-Day Kanji Challenge by Nihongoshark appealed to me since it was basically RTK but Kanji -> Keyword.

I'm about 750ish cards in, but at this point I'm wondering if I should just switch to doing one of the KanjiDamage decks since it seems like it'll take me closer to my goal in the end.

Do you guys think it's worth starting over? I'd like to get through a Kanji recognition deck before the summer, since that's when I'll really be trying to learn.
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>>138670253
If you're going to spend that much on a physical grammar, why wouldn't you spend your money on something more worthwhile like Shin Kanzen Master?
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>>138670276
Depends on your new cards/day ratio.
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>>138670276
If you're already 750 cards in, then stay the course I'd say. Starting over with some new regimen is just going to be a huge waste of your time unless you're doing something retarded.
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>>138669078
no red
so legit
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>>138670276
>97-Day Kanji Challenge

What's different from KD there? No On/Kunyomi?
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>>138670353
Good eye. Here's a legit chart.
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>>138670324
I'm at 20 cards/day right now. 25/day is the max I'd go since I don't want to burn myself out.

>>138670393
It's RTK, so yeah, no readings at all.
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God damn why is it so much effort getting started as a translator
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>>138669276
That anon also said
> it will help me stop confusing words with similar kanji.

>Knowing the kanji phonetic components is only going to help with reading, not actual writing.
I don't just say 音符 mate. I said 音符, 意符, and 形成文字。 Say 会ぎ。 I know it's a 義, but which 義?
Based on 意符, I can guesswork that it's "probably" the 言義 so 会議.
礼儀, same thing. It's a 人儀 so 礼儀. It doesn't always work every time as we all know, but it helps.

>If you know any books that better than RTK >for this exact purpose, I'd be glad to know.
Yeah totally. I prefer Hadamitzky's book to RTK. I compared both in the beginning and I like how Hadamitzky's book is structured compared to RTK.

Secondly, without going into much details, I much prefer Hadamitzky's radical explanations compared to Heisig's "primitive" explanations.

Somewhere before the first 100 kanji, Heisig taught a "primitive" called "mist" and "by one's side". That is Heisig's own entry for his book, not of the 214 kangxi radicals.
I also like the fact that Hadamitzky's book let me know that 心 is called りっしんべん since it helps me figured out that 忄is going to be on the 編 side of the kanji.

It's just preference. I know somebody who swore by RTK, another that used Hadamitzkys, and somebody else whose favorite kanji book is Kanji in Context, which is no longer in publication.

Reordering kanji to make it easier to memorize is done by other kanji books too these days, RTK is not the only one that does that. I don't disagree that RTK is excellent, "best" is just debatable to me.
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>>138670485
It's really hard to say... If you just started out I'd say to KD, but as you are already so far in... Although you might just do KD with more new cards (40 a day or something) as you should already know many.
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>>138669303
Honestly, on djt I have a slight opinion that it's not that necessary to know how to write, especially if the main goal is to play VN. I think writing is only ever useful for those whose goal is beyond just japanese comprehension. Like maybe working in Japan or for japanese company or something.
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>>138670509
> 心 is called りっしんべん
心 isn't called that, 忄is called that.

Perhaps you didn't know that you can actually type radicals in your IME
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>>138670509
>Hadamitzkys
Thanks for the reference, I didn't know! And by best, I don't mean best kanji book, I mean best kanji book to learn how to write. This is quite different. I don't think there's a better order that RTK for learning how to write.
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>all these retards shilling for remember the nothing
Pathetic. I thought you were better than that.
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>>138669767
Japan have Metabo Law. When they are middle-aged, their waistline can't past 36, or something. I don't remember.

>>138670485
I have a request. Can you give one specific example of kanji -> keyword in Nihongoshark?

What's the keyword for 義?
On RTK 義 -> Righteousness. Next to it is written "sheep...ego". So the 義 kanji's RTK's own primitive is "sheep".

How does Nihongoshark tackle the 義 kanji? Can you check it out for me? I'm somewhat curious.
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Have any of you played the Shin Megami Tensei games? How difficult to read are they? Specifically SMTI, II, If... and Persona 1 and 2
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>>138670985
I played smtiv final till about the whole polytheism god coalition thing. I'm like 1 year into learning japanese.
It's doable and I got a lot of new words out of it. At least 1 boss talked in some archaic bullshit speech though.
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How should I tackle this? Anyone who already went through the deck and could give me a few pointers?
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>>138671226
Radicals first, other two subsequently simultaneously
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>>138671192
>I'm like 1 year into learning japanese.
What JLPT level are you, roughly?
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>>138661299
Can it be done to a KD deck?
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>>138671306
Alright, makes sense. What about "WK" though? Oh wait, it's all three in one. Isn't it order in a specific way already then? Shouldn't I just study from the "WK" thing?
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>>138670965
The whole thing is basically RTK further modified, so the keywords and primitives are the same as far as I know. The front card is just the Kanji, the back has the keyword, stroke order, and a story.
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>>138665736
Speed of Darkness?
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>>138670962
>I don't think there's a better order that RTK for learning how to write.
I think Kodansha is better, but it honestly doesn't matter much.
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>>138670922
>忄is called りっしんべん
Yes. I was wrong on the 心 part, thank you for the correction! I copy-pasted忄from wiki's 心部 entry. Thanks for the advice on IME, I didn't know that.


>>138670962
> I don't think there's a better order that RTK for learning how to write.
Like I said, RTK is not the only book that reorder Kanji to make it easier to learn. Some other books out there are doing it too these days.

That said, if it's specifically about order, I agree with you that RTK is excellent in ordering. It makes it easy to write while keeping the momentum going.

Sure I can see that knowing the "mist" primitive will makes it easier to write 朝 and knowing the "sheep" primitive will make it easier to write 義.

But then I have to remember these "mist", "sheep", "by one's side", etc primitives that Heisig made.


Heisig's personal systematic primitives that aren't part of the 214 radicals is just confusing to me personally.

>best kanji book to learn how to write.
I use the Hadamitzky's book for my writing study, and I do find it better in terms of my own progress.

Though specifically in terms of absolute 1-2000 kanji order, RTK order is better.
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>>138671373
No clue I haven't paid any attention to that, probably not very high, maybe 3?
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>>138662142
What are the benefits from using those KD decks instead of the vanilla one?
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>>138671401
I believe Wanikani itself teaches radicals before you can move on to kanji, but either way, radicals -> kanji/vocab is the common practice. Learn radicals so you can break down/understand kanji, learn kanji so you can read vocab, learn vocab to learn kanji better, that's how it goes
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>>138671484
I meant, including the resources we have at DJT. I don't know for Kodansha since I only have the dictionary app.
>>138671494
Yes, I'm only speaking about the order to write. I don't really like his primitives either.
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>>138671564
>I meant, including the resources we have at DJT. I don't know for Kodansha since I only have the dictionary app.
That's fair. I dont even know if there is a rip of the Kodansha course anywhere you pretty much have to buy it physically if you want it which is obviously a lot less convenient for many people.

I think it's pretty much the best singular resource for learning kanji though, especially for someone who wants to write.
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>>138671420
Thanks for the info anon, you're very kind. Good luck on your study regardless of what you decide with your choices.

>>138671509
What about utilizing both? Use Core 6k on your Anki and do KD one way or another.

I read KD website (just several pages so far), for the laugh. Does the deck retains all his website's information? Like the Beta tag, his list of vocabs, and explanation of the context of when said vocabs are used?

If I were in your shoe, I would read his website first before I turn to the KD deck, in case the deck is not an exact copy-paste of his website.

Or you can just do the KD deck if you think it's more beneficial, I don't know.
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Kodoku no Gurume/Solitary Gourmet seems like it would be a pretty good thing to leave on the background and glance at from time to time while not-learning Japanese.

I only just started on the first episode but I recommend it.

It's short too. 12 episodes and each only 24 minutes long.

It's a live action drama just so you understand.
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>>138671735
The deck has all that stuff from his website + stroke orders, I've only ver gone there following the links in his vocab sections.

I was asking something more along the lines of what do those two KD decks have to offer that a regular KD deck doesn't.
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Is this a rare kanji?
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>>138671735

Yep, the KD deck has all the additonal info.
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What is this shit ィクシッ?
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>>138671924
Yes.
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>>138671608
No there isn't. Trust me I searched all over the internet for it but the only thing I got was the dictionary.
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>>138671976
やった!
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> Sick for a few days
> Have important course at work so I can't just stay sick at home
> Retention is abysmal with all the pain in head and chest

At least I can relax listening to some 18+ audio material and get a hands-free orgasm.
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>>138671916
>KanjiDamage Plus+ deck

I at least have a superficial knowledge about this one. Somebody wrote on djt that Plus+ deck changes some of KD's mnemonics, particularly those that are too edgy. I'm not sure if the person that said that (and provided the DL link), was the editor of Plus+ deck or just passing information he knows and DL link.

Not sure what the REORDERED one advantages are.
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>>138671924
Not anymore.
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>>138672048
Say I'm like 300 cards into the regular KD deck, can I just pick this one up and tell Anki it's the same than the other one?
Also >>138671390
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>>138672133
>tell Anki it's the same than the other one?
kek, I don't think that's possible no. You're better off just finishing KD and renaming yourself the radicals that don't work with you. (That's what I did personally.)
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I wonder if it's a good idea to mine from a word list of all words in a novel
For example in my mining deck I have 10k words, and the word list for LOGH was 20k words, so by default I don't know a minimum of 10k words from it, so perhaps mining the most common ones I didn't know would be wise.
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>>138658284
You don't know how glad I am to see that.
My online name for a bunch of stuff is "Inukai", "PM_Inukai", etc, because I respect that guy so much.

FUCK 問答無用
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>>138672257
Have you gone through your mining 10k? How long did it take you?
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>>138671747

>苦い、苦いぞ。でもななんだ。。。苦いでも上手い。にが上手い!

kek, I don't get the pun exactly but I still laughed
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>>138672309
I did 10-20 new words a day for awhile, then recently I did 40 words a day for at least a month maybe two; it all adds up to to 16 months.

I mention mining from a word list because I actually have 23 unseen words left and thus can no longer do 40 words/day. The normal stuff I'm compelled to read doesn't have enough vocab so this seems like a good compromise between reading compelling content + still making progress in anki (frankly it's this or stop doing new cards in anki).
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>>138672402
>I mention mining from a word list because I actually have 23 unseen words left and thus can no longer do 40 words/day. The normal stuff I'm compelled to read doesn't have enough vocab so this seems like a good compromise between reading compelling content + still making progress in anki (frankly it's this or stop doing new cards in anki).
It's not a bad idea at all then. But you should try to read more varied things.
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Are all the N1 grammar points in the DOJG? Actually, does the whole DOJG series cover all Japanese grammar points?
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>>138672448
>But you should try to read more varied things.
I read a variety of things, some chuunige here, a moege here, the wikipedia page for market economies there. The only time I get significant enough vocab to effectively mine is when I read so much a day I'm forcing myself to keep doing, or when I read something I don't want to in the first place. For example, I'm interested in LOGH, but it's stuffy enough and I read slow enough that I get bored pretty quickly and would rather read other things. This is a weakness I acknowledge but none the less must work with or, preferably, around (via wordlist).
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>>138672511
It's pretty much impossible to cover *all* of the grammar points of a natural language.
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>>138672658
Nah, not if the language is a sensible one.
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>>138672724
>natural language
>sensible
Pick one.
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>>138672511
>Are all the N1 grammar points in the DOJG?
No.

Or well, I don't know if there's an official list of the grammar points for each level, but there's a couple of points that aren't covered in DOJG that you find in prep books for N1.
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>>138672764
I don't think it's official but I use this
http://www.tanos.co.uk/jlpt/jlpt1/grammar/
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>>138672724
It's pretty difficult to draw a line between grammar and just words and their use.
Even a lot of the N1 "grammar" is just words which have a kind of specific usage but which no Japanese person would call grammar.
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>>138672724
Box - Boxes
Ox - not Oxes but Oxen

Mouse - Mice
House - Not Hices but Houses

Language is only "perfectly" "sensible" to it's natives.

DoAG is a dictionary, if you want to prepare for N1, get an N1 preparation book. I think.
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>>138672888
He didn't call english sensible
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LITERALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE
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> When you instantly recognize that one word that you could never remember.

SRS fucking works!
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>>138672948
Get some glasses anon.
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>>138672906
Okay.
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>>138672948
できない


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>>138672645
How can you read slowly if it's been so long you've started reading and you already have more than 2k mined words?
>>138672658
Let's say, all the common grammar points that Japanese know.
>>138672888
I don't want to prepare for the N1 directly, I'm just curious.
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>>138673035
>>138673050
>Falling for it.

Come on, we've been through this how many times now? Just leave the guy alone.
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>>138673103
10k, my bad.
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>>138673103
Lots of unknown words. Slow is pretty relative, it's slow for me. I pick up a LN and pause maybe for one word. I pick up LOGH and every line has a high chance of containing an unknown word, probably more. Plus frequently I need to re-read sections to understand the underlying point in the context of the series.
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>>138673161
But then, how are you gonna be able to get better if you don't confront yourself to harder works that require you to do exactly that? Unless your goal is to stay at your level, but then what use is there in mining a word list?
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>>138673107
How many "guys" we should collectively ignore that are on djt just to mess the threads?

There is that one guy that rarely use capital letters.
There is another guy that always say the opposite of other people's advice and argue semantically just to incite reaction.
There is another guy that always said "beginner should not give advice".

How many people you think are on djt that we should collectively ignore to make djt a better place? Or are those 3 people all the same guy?

Ah yeah, I also remember there is this one guy that talked about purple prose or some stuff, and his opponent that was talking in a paragraph describing cat jumping from a tree, to argue the 'purple prose' guy.
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>>138673215
>how are you gonna be able to get better if you don't confront yourself to harder works that require you to do exactly that
Mine from a word list...?
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>>138673259
Don't forget the full kana guy.
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>>138673259
>Ah yeah, I also remember there is this one guy that talked about purple prose or some stuff, and his opponent that was talking in a paragraph describing cat jumping from a tree, to argue the 'purple prose' guy.
This one was great.
>>138673271
Because you don't know the exact context of the word, it could mean something else. If anything, go for J-J cards. And just learning new words won't make it easier to understand the underlying point in the context of the series.
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今日も一日頑張るぞい
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>>138673259
>filename: imouto.jpg
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>>138673375
Imouto is not here 'only to mess the thread' though. I'd rather have imouto giving useful advice than shills or stupid arguments.
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>>138673320
I find that context is often over-rated in the context of learning vocabulary so I'm not worried about that.

Re-reading sections is not due to lack of proficiency in the language it's just a natural result of reading more difficult material. I re-read stuff in English too.
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>>138673375

バカなの? いもうとはOLEV!
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>>138673446
I think that is the case for the beginner stuff, but when you enter the realm of more advanced Japanese vocabulary, words tend to have a lot more nuances than a single word in English. It's the same in English, really. There are words you can't simply translate without losing a little meaning.

>Re-reading sections is not due to lack of proficiency in the language it's just a natural result of reading more difficult material. I re-read stuff in English too.
Perhaps, but then you shouldn't be doing that often, LOGH is not the hardest thing to read in English. I don't think you'd be rereading in English every chapter to make sure you understood.
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Alright my very first question is, the past few hours djt have been very civil. Like C I V I L. Where are those people? Were they simultaneously got banned at the same time or they just happened to be absent at the exact same time of day, like how the 7 skies just happened to align after centuries like in Thor The Dark World?

>>138673259
>>138673320
> 'purple prose' guy
> 'overly descriptive in purple prose' guy
>This one was great.

I don't understand where that 2 guys came from. They are japanese learners like us? I mean, I understand study method wars, but a war about "what is the proper way to make descriptions in fictional writings" is just so far out of japanese and djt, it hurts my head how were those 2 so passionate in defending their position for hours.

>>138673375
The Japanese guys. Are there 2 japanese guys here, 'imouto uploader' anon, and 'English-speaking Japanese' anon or is there only 1 guy?

Or is it three guys? I remember there is another guy that gives advice about chicks and 実体験 a week or so back.
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>>138673540
I actually think that's the opposite of true. Beginner stuff requires a lot of context to understand whereas more advanced stuff is less nuanced due to how rarely its used, and the high number of basic nouns/verbs.
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>>138673598
>They are japanese learners like us? I mean, I understand study method wars, but a war about "what is the proper way to make descriptions in fictional writings" is just so far out of japanese and djt, it hurts my head how were those 2 so passionate in defending their position for hours.
We're on 4chan, people get offended for nothing.
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>>138658990
>一刻者
minute man?
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>>138673674

fuck you I'm not an easily offended person I have thick skin unlike the rest of you betas
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>>138673674
fuck off
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>>138673598
>it hurts my head how were those 2 so passionate in defending their position for hours.
The prose discussion ended quite quickly, it was hours of personal attacks and defense.
>Where are those people?
Right here baby.
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>>138673259
i like my letters like my women small and cute.
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>>138673674

死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね死ね
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>>138673646
I politely disagree. While beginners have a lot of adverbs and verbs that have multiple meaning, the higher register used in more complex pieces (such as poetry or novels) have a very subtle meaning (hence why they're used over their simpler counterpart).
Of course, it depends on what you're reading. If by complex we mean a tutorial on how to code in C++, then indeed the words will be very specific. But in fiction, words tend to be more subtle than we really think they are. We use context a lot when we're reading to guess the meaning of the word, even when we don't exactly know the full meaning of it. That's why people doing essays and such use a dictionary to make sure that the words in the title have the exact meaning they're thinking of.
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>>138673674
Well yeah but we are on djt. There is only one djt in /a/. I actually wondered whether they are actually currently learning japanese or whether they were unrelated party that just happened to found that djt thread and subsequently argued the thread for hours on end.

>>138673733
> it was hours of personal attacks and defense.
There you go.
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Should I leave the 'bury related cards until next day' option set?
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>>138673882
>Well yeah but we are on djt. There is only one djt in /a/. I actually wondered whether they are actually currently learning japanese or whether they were unrelated party that just happened to found that djt thread and subsequently argued the thread for hours on end.
>>138673733 even told you he was the guy that argued.
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I start to understand people who want djt gone with the circlejerk shit and obvious ledditurds.
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Do any of you families have any of the Grader Readers 2-5? much obliged
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>>138673992
Aren't they in the textbook section of the CoR?
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who all wants to insult each others japanese and also call e.o retarded and/or autistic
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>>138673846
I see what you mean, but that layer of subtlety is pretty insignificant in works like LOGH as far as I'm concerned. It (and novels like it) puts plot and ideas first and uses words clearly and directly to describe them. Not a whole lot of subtly. In a lot of the fiction/sci-fi books I read, even in English, it's generally the same.

Furthermore! What I've discovered is that even natives struggle with that layer of subtlety. Natives learn words purely through context and exposure (plus school vocab lists), and that results in a lot of misunderstandings building up, or otherwise basic understandings of words. So, I'm not too worried about piercing that veil. That goes beyond learning a foreign language, and enters the territory of academic mastery of a language, as far as I'm concerned.
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>tfw my grades are declining because I keep skipping lectures to stay at home studying Japanese
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>>138674053
in high school, back when we lived in a world where the towers hadnt fallen, i used to bring japanese materials into my spanish class and would spend the that period studying japanese

it was a time where you could get away with using online translation sites for all of your assignments, even composition, so thats how i still passed spanish without learning any of it
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>>138674020
Nope, not from what I can see.
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>>138674044
I haven't read that much sci-fi so I admit you must be right. Still, I think that a lot of novels use words that have more subtle meanings. But well, that's not what we're talking about there.

Of course it depends on what you want to achieve. When I'm learning a new language, I try to learn the most accurate definition of a word I can get before moving on. Since I'm not a native, it allows me to rely on something else than my intuition only (which might be flawed). Having said that, the only other language I've learned aside from my mother tongue is English (and progressively Japanese), so I might be wrong into thinking that Japanese vocabulary works the same way.
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Should I spend time on a radicals deck? It'd only take a week or so, anyway.
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>>138674294
Sure why not. It's always useful when learning vocab. You can also do it at the same time you're going through Core2k if you want.
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>bought a used book of compelling content from amazon
>find one of those tiny photo booth prints stuck in between two of the pages
what am i looking at?
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>>138674249
>allows me to rely on something else than my intuition only (which might be flawed).
Mined words from a word list provide exactly this for me.
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>>138674335

>Core

Why not just play VNs instead? At least it would be more fun, and you'd probably pick up more vocab.
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What are the differences between,そば, 近く and 辺?
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>>138674417
Let this be your memento to never end like this.
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>>138674427
I don't think a word list provides a definition of the word in Japanese, just a translation of it that might be flawed.
>>138674429
You can if you want to, but it's usually easier with some vocab under your belt. That's a personal choice.
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>>138673992
There's a Level 5 now? I bought the whole series a while back (except for Level 0) but it only went up to Level 4 then.
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>>138674429
I did not find VNs fun in the time when I had close to 0 vocabulary
>>138674503
They seem happy and fufilled. I can't say the same.
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>>138674493
Soba means next to, chikaku means near and hen means around here.
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>>138674541
Beginners shouldn't give advice
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>>138674541
Thanks, anon, you're a great person. If I had a girlfriend I'd lend her to you.
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>>138674530

  偽りの生活のなかに正しい生活はありえない。

  ── テオドール・W・アドルノ Theodor W. Adorno 
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http://kissasian.com/Drama/Mr-Nietzsche-in-the-Convenience-Store/Episode-1?id=24122

>/a/ works at a convenience store
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>>138674417
We took that after our eighth semester of Japanese at University to commemorate almost passing the N4.
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>>138674515
Oh, it seems like you've misunderstood something. Here is the word list.
http://pastebin.com/NK4ppay0
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>>138674609
Thanks for the website I guess
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>>138674599
>Wrong life cannot be lived rightly.
What
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>>138674653
I feel so stupid right now. Then indeed, it's a great idea to pick up vocab from this list. I didn't have access to the list so I assumed it was a regular word list you find in beginners' sites on Japanese.
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>>138674728
More like a life led falsely cannot be lived righteously.
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>>138674609
What a coincidence. I just started reading the manga yesterday. sorry for the english page, I only have my opt folder in this computer
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>>138674791
>More like
"Wrong life cannot be lived rightly." is the official translation of his quote in english.
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>>138674908
Well then I'm better spoken than he is.
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>>138674582
>saying that he gave bad advice without correcting him

Don't be a faggot.
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>>138675003
In case you somehow missed it, Theodor W. Adorno is German and thus whether the Japanese or English translation relates more closely to his original quote is impossible to know without also knowing the German.
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>>138675049
Oh, okay. Did not know that.
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>>138674609

A man of culture
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>>138675086
おねえちゃんってなんだよ。
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>Spent four hours configuring 4chan scripts/extensions to prevent me from lurking 4chan all evening

The time for progress is now.
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さくらでんぶがたべたい

かってきて。おねえちゃん
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>>138675177
>Spent four hours doing that
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>>138675049
Es gibt kein richtiges Leben im Falschen.
How would you even know him and not know german?
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>>138675243
I -did- have to write most of them from scratch.
In the long run, 4chan is probably the reason I'm nowhere near fluent yet.
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>>138675349
Google. His name was not Japanese so I thought "I wonder what the original quote is" and thus googled.
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>>138675349
>Es gibt kein richtiges Leben im Falschen.
Isn't this a tortology?
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>>138675385
So it's a just some random quote you found somewhere?
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>>138675566
You mean tautology? Not necessarily no. But that's off-thread.
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>>138675670
If a life is wrong of course it's not right, by definition. The statement has no meaning.
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>>138675750
>muh boolean logic
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>>138674582
Sorry, no retards allowed. DJT policy.
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>>138675750
It means you can't live the right way inside the wrong.
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>>138675918
i thought it was the other way around

only retards allowed
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>>138674609
>streaming
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>>138675796
>there is no hot potato that is cold
>there is no tall person that is short
Wow, what a meaningful statement.
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>>138675988
So that's why you're here. Well, that's not the case. You have to leave.
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>しのぶれど 色に出でにけり わが恋(こひ)は
>ものや思ふと 人の問ふまで
What the fuck does this mean. Older stuff always confuses me. All I got was:
>Although I try to hide it, my love is visible by the tint in my complexion
The second line is really tripping me up. If someone can break down the grammar as if you're speaking to a 5-year-old it would help a lot.
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Is there a way to say "mentioned" as in like "show me the picture you mentioned earlier"?

All I can think of is "先に言った写真" but that sounds pretty wrong
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>>138676250
i think it is the case based on this reply
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>>138676259
Every line from kobun is already explained extensively on the internet.
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>>138676402
件(くだん)のX
さっきのX
この前話たX
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>>138676055
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I read through some of the anki manual but I couldn't really find anything about this.

How can I increase the "due" number for the day? Something's gone funny and it's only giving me like 13 due for each deck
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>>138676572
>この前話た
should be
この前話した
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>>138676590
Due in terms of reviews or new cards? Simply select the deck and go to options then "New cards/day" or "Number max reviews/day" or something.
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>>138676655
Reviews. Max reviews is set at 100 already...

I've learned 20 cards in each deck so far, but I'd really like to be getting more reviews of them.
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>>138676691
Set it at 9999. Never set your reviews at 100, it'll limit them. As for the reviews, if you only have been doing 20 so far, it's normal and that's the way anki is made to be. However, if you wanna have more reviews, you can always do a custom study, but you're kinda breaking the rules there by cheating. SRS is not made for custom study.
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>>138676259
まるあんきだよ
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>>138676743
I use custom study sometimes. I usually do all my reps on the commute to work and if I feel like it I'll review some forgotten cards on the way back.

Nobody else here seems to have any yellow in their graphs, though.
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>>138676402
前に話していた写真
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>>138676743
Well, shit. Thanks anyway.

I just kind of feel like I'm going to forget things with this few reviews.
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>>138676822
Forgotten cards the night after is not a problem, but having daily custom study on the whole deck is a bad idea in my opinion.
>>138676873
Yes you will forget some, and that's normal. Wait until you've done more cards to see.
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>>138676572
>>138676841
ありがとう
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>>138676800
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How was your performance today?
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猫は可愛ゐですか。あたしの猫、セックスが欲しゐ。
けふ、猫は日本人がゐる。
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>>138677720
ill post after i finish it
it will not please you
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>>138677720
Not that bad, I'm doing KD right now (fifty cards a day). I ate while doing anki though, so I took quite some time.
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>>138677761
我、日本ナリ
挿入ヲ欲スル
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>>138677720
Is this slow for KD? I feel like I could be doing a lot faster...
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>>138677720
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>>138677894
Depends on you. I take my time to read through the jukugo and visually analyze the kanji.
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>>138677979
I think most of my time is spent on retracing stroke order in my head/with my hand.
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>>138677006
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>>138677912
>relearn: 225
How do you manage to wake up each morning?
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>>138678032
Then that's fine. How you allocate your time is your business. Why do you care what strangers on an anonymous Chinese cartoon board say about your Anki stats anyway?
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>>138678148
Most of these are the same cards being failed over and over.
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>>138677720
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>>138678209
Your mature rate is atrocious though.
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>>138664421
it costs more than five bucks anon
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>>138678290
There's a discount code that shaves off 50% permanently, making it around 5 bucks.
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>>138678234
That many reviews is the main thing stopping me from increasing my new card count to 80. I guess I could just go for 60 to compromise and then do my reviews in chunks of 150-200 instead of doing them in one go, though.
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>>138678367
Wow, nice. Do you know what it is?
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>>138678367
I'm pretty sure he meant that it's a subscription by "it's more than 5 bucks", but in any case WK is not worth paying for, especially if you plan on reading in the first year and a half of your studies.
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>>138678406
Just get the Anki deck version. It's better and it's free.
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>>138678472
Nah, I'm fine. I can afford it.
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>>138678628
So you'll use something that's worse because you can pay for it?
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>>138678433
In the context of the quote chain, any opinion regarding WK is irrelevant. And come on, most people read *immediately* after Tae Kim/whatever grammar resource regardless of what SRS they use. Personally, I jumped right into reading VNs. Other than mined words, Anki has been completley redundant from the start for me.
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>>138677720

this is why i stay around 15 new a day, for those nights of terrible sleep and the last cards just feel like banging a square peg into a round hole
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>>138678647
Stop projecting your poorfag mentality.
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おんやぁ
んっふっふ
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>>138678700
I don't understand, you're literally throwing money away.
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>>138678753
Money is for spending. You won't make me feel bad about using it.
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>>138678818
You should prefer to spend it on something good, like pizza, or real copies of important books (DoJG, AFDoJ, JTMW, etc) or manga.
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>>138678753
People have different ways of learning, WK has some features that legitimately help certain people learn more effectively than something like Anki would

What does it matter to you what that guy does with his money? Maybe it would be a good decision and he'd have an easier time with Japanese, or maybe it'll be a shit decision and he will have parted with his money for nothing, either way it doesn't matter at all
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>>138678871
>WK has some features that legitimately help certain people learn more effectively than something like Anki would
Like?
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>>138678647
That's subjective. If you've already starting reading and only use SRS to solidify kanji/vocab, the pace at which you do so is irrelevant. WK's method of forcing you to get both the readings and meanings right several times before allowing you to move on is one of its most appealing features. It can't be reproduced in Anki, making the WK deck nothing but an RTK/2k/6k/ alternative.

I think you should get the fuck out with your close-mindedness or at the very least stop giving any sort of advice.
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>>138678864
>AFDoJ
What's this?
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>>138678922
A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese.
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>>138678940
Oh my bad, I actually have the pdf version bookmarked.
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>>138679031
>bookmarking pedo files
just download it ffs
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>>138678904
>That's subjective. If you've already starting reading and only use SRS to solidify kanji/vocab, the pace at which you do so is irrelevant.
Not really, especially if you want to add words and kanji from things that you're reading that aren't in WK and a lot of the words you're adding you're not going to see in reading often enough to not use SRS for.

>WK's method of forcing you to get both the readings and meanings right several times before allowing you to move on is one of its most appealing features. It can't be reproduced in Anki, making the WK deck nothing but an RTK/2k/6k/ alternative.
So what you're basically saying is that you lack the self control to just hit again when you're wrong? Got it. If you mean forcing input, then it's possible to enable textbox input on Anki.

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>>138678628
Money has literally nothing to do with it. Why do people get the idea that the cost is the main issue with WK? The site could be completely free and I would still tell you to use the deck. It has a number of problems that the deck does not have and even setting most of them aside, the maximum pace you can go at is pretty much the minimum recommended pace here, meaning there is no room for improvement. If you're going by the mentality of "the version that costs money is better", then you might as well get Rosetta Stone because that costs a lot of money therefore it must be really good.
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>>138679119
I forgot to do it. I was just bookmarking a lot of stuff that might have been interested. Then I forgot about it.
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>>138678904
Why are you hostile?
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>>138679119
>webm
You know... I liked fake cuteness in Japan for a while.
Then I realized how fake it really is.
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>>138678904
>WK's method of forcing you to get both the readings and meanings right several times before allowing you to move on
Wait, you pass cards in anki when you don't remember what's on them?
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>>138679229
I don't disagree with you, but after watching that a few times I don't think anything in her movements makes it look like that fall was staged.
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>>138679401
agreed, she stumbled before shooting because she cant dribble for shit and all her attention was on the ball and forgot more than a meter of distanced traveled
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>>138678895
Like the whole concept of levelling up and having a linear path to follow
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>>138679574
>>>/habitica/
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>>138679574
Anki is more linear than WK. WK introduces different things depending on the order you learn previous things in. Anki always introduces things in the same order.
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>>138679617
Yeah like that, some personality types benefit greatly from shit like that

>>138679648
Anki is confusing as shit for beginners, for one you have to pick the decks yourself, and you have to edit the options accordingly, of which there are a fuck ton of
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>>138679731
>for one you have to pick the decks yourself
We tell you what decks to use.
>and you have to edit the options accordingly, of which there are a fuck ton of
We tell you what settings to change and what to change them to.
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Does anyone have the manga page with anon studying ellipsis?
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>>138679731
>Yeah like that, some personality types benefit greatly from shit like that
Yeah, the "weak willed" personality type.
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>>138679731
>Anki is confusing as shit for beginners, for one you have to pick the decks yourself, and you have to edit the options accordingly, of which there are a fuck ton of
Not really though, the /djt/ even created the anki startup guide for dummies that can't figure it out at all.
>Yeah like that, some personality types benefit greatly from shit like that
Then just use habitica in conjunction with Anki. You got all the profits from both systems.
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>>138679771
Sure but its still more complicated than WK which is baby mode and just holds your hand through the whole ordeal
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>>138679401
You're not looking at it the same way.
Her mannerisms after she fell are staged.
There was nothing genuine in her reaction to tripping up.
Just another plastic mask that idol hopefuls wear during degrading game-shows while they hope to break into the industry .
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>>138679731
In addition to >>138679771, the manual makes it easy to tell what the options do.

If that's still too hard, there's always the learner pack that handholds you through it. If you're still too confused, then Japanese probably isn't for you to be brutally honest.
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>>138679832
WK is pretty complicated too desu with all these levels and unlocks and shit.
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>>138679834
Honestly, that's the same reason why most people watch anime and reading VNs. Most people don't want to have real life shoved in their face.
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>>138679731
>Anki is confusing as shit for beginners
if you find setting up anki troublesome then learning japanese is the least of your problems
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>>138679731
>Anki is confusing as shit for beginners
You can't learn japanese.
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>Why You Need to Upgrade at LingQ

Steve is such a Jew
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>>138680034
Just saw that. I still find it pretty shitty they limit non-payers to 100 words.
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I'm curious, are there other people that learning Japanese partially for the martial arts?
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>>138680054
Sorry, 20 words.

And it doesn't even count conjugations as the same word.
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>>138680096
Is martial arts a euphemism for schoolboy shota rape porn?

Because if so, I am
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>>138679979
>>138680007
I wasn't talking about myself personally you confrontational fucks, I've been doing this shit for 3 years, all I was saying is that WK is less intimidating than Anki

I don't even give a fuck about WK, I'm not autistic enough to take sides with software, but the mob mentality on here is so bad you retards just throw out all logic out and do mental gymnastics to convince yourself WK is the devil
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>>138680096
Is martial arts a euphemism for massive amounts of cute anime girl porn?

Because if so, I am
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>>138679915
Good Japanese art/drama is about surrealism or historical/traditional accuracy.
Moe and tropes only have value in anime or VNs
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>>138680211
Why are you so hostile? Why are you arguing if you don't give a fuck?
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>>138680211
>but the mob mentality on here is so bad you retards just throw out all logic out and do mental gymnastics to convince yourself WK is the devil
If you want WK, you can use the pirated deck. If you want to pay for the service, you should probably kill yourself.
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>>138680252
Then why complain about idols? They are a part of the moe moe culture, not of good Japanese films or art.
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>>138679834
>Her mannerisms after she fell are staged.
How? That looks like the most genuine part to me. Embarrassed laughter is the most natural reaction to fucking up like that.
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>>138680211
But Anki isn't intimidating. The only part that I found a bit confusing was when to use hard vs good, but even that is fairly common sense and a quick search in the manual, archive, or asking what people do in the thread is enough to solve that problem.

If the site didn't limit your pace so heavily so that you could go through it in 3-6 months if you wanted to and people didn't force it so fucking hard (whether it was ironic shitposting or legitimate shilling) a few months ago resulting in in being so hated now, then it probably wouldn't be that bad, but the pacing alone is enough to write it off as bad here.

If you're the sort of person who needs the amount of handholding and slow pacing that WK has even with the Anki guides/packages that already hold your hand really hard, then DJT really isn't the place for you, let alone learning Japanese. You'd probably fit in better at /r/learnjapanese in that case.
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>>138680451
>then DJT really isn't the place for you
Well this is true
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>>138680451
>you can't be part of the club if you use a method that i don't like >:(
Cool your fucking beans, dude. You don't get to make the rules here.
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>>138680309
Wanting to be a part of escapism a waste of talent.
That people have to go through intense trials just to become a way for Japan to look past its bad economy isn't a good job in any way.
Plus some things in this thread >>138667780

>>138680434
Looks like acting to me
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>>138680618
Trying too hard. Go back to whence you came.
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>>138680451
Why do you always have a spergout whenever WK is brought up? You completely shit up the thread, destroying any hope for recovery until the new one is made. The next time you see WK mentioned here, do us all a favor and just shut. The. Fuck. Up.
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>>138680618
>the club
More like DJT has a pretty strong attitude of pushing yourself and studying independently, so if you're the kind of person who wants hand holding and are intimidated by something as user-friendly as Anki then you probably won't fit in. I think that's a fair assessment.
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