3.15 is Takamchi Nanoha's birthday.
I wholly agree with Fate, she is truly a goddess of light.
>goddess of light
You mean the White Devil
And this means that Stern is the Black Angel, of course.
You are gonna get befriended.
Happy Birthday you gorgeous magical woman.
I'm posting NanoYuno and you can't stop me!
Dear anon yo ushould know already that a pillow printed with soemthing on it doesn't really represent canon characters fate, similiar doujins too aren't canon.
Only thing which is canon is what Tsuzuki and Nanoha owners create.
But with Vivid Life over, Innocent over, Force on indefinite hiatus, Vivid being not serious mock battles all the time without anything interesting happening in it while it could be a really great story about Belkan War reanecting in modern times with some incident and new enemy from past, and Original Chronicle being just another retelling of season 1 story, and no movie 3rd in sight, we can say Nanoha franchise is in the weakest state it ever was and is just dying.
DogDays weak season 3 where Tsuzuki once again used his shitty add more characters than care about existing ones plot going just to spam, is just another of the symptoms.
I wish they would finally let Nanoha die or give it in the hands of new writer.
If anything you got it backwards. Either way, they love each other too much to let age get between them.
Also magic solves everything.
Noooooo Fate! Don't smoke, it is bad for you health. If anything happens to you, world is over.
Here, have some Tokoharu.
>Nanoha is dead as a franchise and just has Vivid and Innocent to keep it on life support until their contracts run out
>no announcements on Nanoha's birthday
It didn't deserve this miserable ending.
That's what happens when you push the Goose of the Golden Eggs to exhaustion. Nanoha didn't deserved to end likes this but it was also a very likely scenario given how it was handled.
>The absolute shit that was StrikerS was a lethal blow to the series.
Strikers sold over 20k DVDs/BDs, which was more than the original and A's combined. They should have started pumping out more at that point. Instead they had no idea what to do with their suddenly successful franchise. It's a real shame.
Just because it sold well doesn't make it good. And by aging up the girls, sending them to another planet, dropping the developed side characters, replacing them with a ton of underdeveloped new ones, and putting them all in the military, that pretty much ensured that anything after it would be as bad, if not worse.
>And by aging up the girls
Nothing wrong with this.
>sending them to another planet
>Dropping the developed side characters, replacing them with a ton of underdeveloped new ones
All right, this was a problem that could've handled better but it wasn't a total waste. We did get some pretty good characters after all.
>putting them all in the military
It was a concept introduced all the way back in season one. Seeing it expanded is a nutural plot progression.
StrikerS main problem was execution. It had some really cool ideas to work with.
>Watched her debut
>Watched her develop
>Watched her grow old
>Watched her become a mama
While I'm kinda resentful for no more Nanoha, part of me is happy that her development cycle hit an end and didn't go full DBZ where the studio keeps milking the cow and fucking things right and left just because.
StrikerS is a white elephant.
On paper its ideas seem harmless
>emphasize sci-fi/military aspect that made show unique
>show character development by introducing some rookies for the big guns to play mentor to
Literally every bad habit the writer had came out in full force, and strong sales essentially gave him carte blanche to continue this shit in the later manga stories.
>>And by aging up the girls
>Nothing wrong with this.
>>sending them to another planet
>>putting them all in the military
>It was a concept introduced all the way back in season one. Seeing it expanded is a nutural plot progression.
Individually, I would agree on these points. The problem is that with the combination of those three things, it results in too drastic a shift in tone. I would be cool with any two of those, but all three put together was what ruined it for me.
I dunno, an anime franchise is one thing. Major Hollywood film franchise with all them sweet residuals?
Yeah, maybe not being able to get out of the shadow of what essentially defined modern young adult literature is kind of a raw deal, but on the other hand, hell, Harry Potter is not a bad thing to be known for.
Now that we agreed that Vivio wasn't a very good MC, will we get another 10 years time-skip with the magical Nanoha/Fate IPS baby taking the role of the new protagonist?
There's a 50% chance it will turn out to be an idol manga/anime out of nowhere.
Vivio isn't that bad, she have potentials - Nanoha trained her for a weekend and she was able to knock out Einhart.
It's just Nove is an incompetent coach, and Nanoha don't see the need to train Vivio personally.
Vivio is a fine character, or benign at the very least. It's just that the thing she's the MC of has absolutely no direction or purpose and the things that she could actually be proactive in, that isn't direct combat(developing her relationship with Einhart, that past kingdom shit), is so frequently sidelined.
Of all the characters in the series past season 2 that got "adopted," she's by the far the least terrible.
>Vivio is a fine character, or benign at the very least.
I think that's really the problem. She's a cute character, with a bit of spark. But everyone around her is so much more interesting and we don't get to see much of any of them because she's the MC.
>we don't get to see much of any of them because she's the MC
We don't get to see much of any character because they are literally trying to juggle god knows how many fucking characters at this point.
Any Vivio imbalance is just symptomatic of a larger problem.
Bardiche's Harken/Crecent form is so infinitely cooler than that stupid dual wield sword shit.
Make Bardiche great again.
>Feito turning into a moeblob knob jockey
Not this shit again.
Fate was never a strong independent woman to begin with.
Her resolve is never as strong as Nanoha or Hayate. With the family and friends she have now, her only regrets are Precia and Alicia., unlike Nanoha and Hayate who are still pursuing their justice.
Of course she is still a badass in action, both her work and to protect Nanoha requires her to, but it's natural to soften up outside of work.
>Fate was never a strong independent woman to begin with.
Not him, but I disagree entirely.
Her entire role in A's was demonstrating how strong her character was under pressure and stress.
Mistake, coincidence, or not. It's still what it was about.
But that's the big appeal of it. There's no real power imbalance between the two and they can effectively play any dynamic plausibly. Fate might be a little taller and very dashing in later incarnations, but Nanoha doesn't turn into a retard and they're both vulnerable in different ways.
After she lost Precia, Fate started depending on Nanoha and then on Lindy too. When Nanoha got almost killed before StrikerS, Fate intermediately showed weakness and failed the enforcer test twice. Fate has always been an emotional person that depends on other people, it's not that she isn't strong, she's probably the most capable fighter of the main cast, but I think her past with Precia made her always need at least one close person to be well.
Unbreakable under pressure and stress is a total different concept than "independent".
Without those pressure, Fate is okay with a happy life around family and friends, while Nanoha and Hayate are still pursuing.
I agree with this so much.
Picked these up the other week at Mandarake. How have you all paid respect to our White Devil Goddess?
He married a fucking pillow. Not Fate.
Cyclone's art is always on point but I can't with his doujins. I really can't.
>and therefore has at least a chance to improve.
I want you to seriously ask yourself "What are the odds that Kaneko realizes he fucked up, and then makes Hibiki realize she can't selfishly pursue he ideals of helping people (which is really just her wanting to pat herself on the back to fulfill her hero complex) at the cost of innocent lives, and then tell her dad to fuck and apologize to her mother for not talking to her about it first, and then apologize to Miku for never really opening up to her or letting Miku support her?"
Hell, Ao-chan even said at the live she never for a second thought Carol would be an enemy, and they joked about "Who will we befriend in the next seasons?"
I realize that the chances aren't all that great, but at least there is still hope. The topdad situation is unfixable, absolute best case there would be that he's never mentioned again. Everything else is salvageable.
Anon, they were literally joking about topdad and the fact that they will befriend every "enemy" because that's just how the show is. It was cool when it was the villain turned anti-hero with Chris, it was tolerable with FIS, and it was horrible with Carol. It's not getting any better on that front. Best case scenario is that staff basically says "No story. Just SoL, comedy, and sakuga action scenes." Believe me I'd be thrilled with that, but I fear what's next.
Fate is strong but also very kind and gentle. She may be emotional and make mistakes like the exams but she's always strong and reliable when it counts. A's was a great example of her keeping her cool and doing amazing work against very threatening foes. One of the few cool things about FORCE is how incredibly badass Fate is in it.
I like Fate.
Nanoha, Fate, Hayate, I like all three of them.
I just don't think Fate was "turned" into a moe blob, it's how she is when she's not suffering emotionally and under pressure.
>One of the few cool things about FORCE is how incredibly badass Fate is in it.
That and the weapon designs were the only good things about Force.
Didn't he say that he was rewatching GX and thought he pushed some of his ideas too far?
Topdad is dead in the water after the audience response to him, and most of the rest of GX's problems are types of bad writing that weren't really present even in G and may or may not continue in 4 and 5. GX was supposedly his response to G's total-democracy creative process, so hopefully they'll find some happy medium in the future with some degree of oversight.
Carol was the result of trying to make a totally unbefriendable enemy after not really understanding the criticisms FIS got and trying way, way to hard to overcompensate for them. It wasn't that they were befriended, it was that they ate up screentime not doing anything significant besides just waiting for the finale so Hibiki could befriend them already. Unfortunately, the result of that was an enemy who couldn't be talked down simply because her motivations made no fucking sense, even to herself.
4 and 5 are concern-worthy, but it's definitely not yet in the same position as the Nanoha franchise's sad spiral into irrelevancy one spinoff at a time.
>Didn't he say that he was rewatching GX and thought he pushed some of his ideas too far?
Something like that. Nothing super promising, though, given how they handle the overall tone.
>after the audience response to him
Oh man, Ao made a comment about topdad during the Live show and the entire audience laughed. Good times.
>so hopefully they'll find some happy medium
I don't doubt that bit, but my issue is that given the direction the series has been pushed, working within the confines of the existing story and the demands from KR just don't let them do what they really need to do.
>Unfortunately, the result of that was an enemy who couldn't be talked down simply because her motivations made no fucking sense, even to herself.
And the worst part was they all pretended she was a good little girl at heart like Chris or the FIS girls.
>but it's definitely not yet in the same position as the Nanoha franchise's sad spiral into irrelevancy one spinoff at a time.
Nanoha's issues are more the focus being in the wrong spot. They could shift it back to where we want and it could all be fixed in one shot.
I have several pillows of my own. There's no need to be jealous.
>Nanoha's issues are more the focus being in the wrong spot. They could shift it back to where we want and it could all be fixed in one shot.
They sort of tried that with the Chronicle manga and INNOCENT. The latter being a parody of itself and thus lacking any true relevance despite good reception and the former going largely unnoticed by most of the fandom. Wonder what Higa will do after finishing that. Will FORCE really continue?
Vivio is perfectly fine.
The problem is they have no idea what to do with her. Vigilante Einhart arc ended in like 2 chapters. Then it just becomes SoL with no real direction or purpose.
>it just becomes SoL with no real direction or purpose.
I thought it became more of a character development thing.
They pretty much set up the things to let Einhart meet Sieg, then they talk about the past, then the library shenanigans to find out more, then it ends with Vivio punching the muh haou out of Einhart.
Getting two seasons confirmed might be a sign the leash has gotten a little longer, at least. KR knows that they can sell, and can hopefully just let them get on with it. That and Kaneko taking more input on board would make me at least cautiously optimistic about where the next series might take us, with a fresh slate and none of G's leftovers to tidy away this time.
Nanoha could be fixed, but it could also receive the final nail in its coffin just as quickly. That's presumably why the third movie is so hush-hush and taking so long, assuming it's not just cancelled entirely; it needs to capture the old spark perfectly and win the fanbase back over in one go, or it's over.
Yup. It's like with Force and Vivid they wanted to make a manga for the people who watched the series for sci-fi magic and tense battles, and a manga for people who watched the series for cute little girls, and that's really not how it works.
Vivid could have been really good if it had just kept a similar tone to the main series. There's a load of material in cute magical girls trapped by their variously-inherited prior incarnations from an ancient apocalyptic war, but this is absolutely not the way to do it.
It doesn't help ViVid seem inconsistent as fuck. I wonder of they're just making up stuff as they go. Not only they discard incomplete plotlines left and right but also keep introducing more and more characters without any moderation. StrikerS looks modest by comparison.
>Getting two seasons confirmed might be a sign the leash has gotten a little longer,
Nah, that's just a sign that someone is a brilliant marketer.
>Hey we're doing 2 cour, how do we sell it?
>Just say we confirmed 2 seasons!
That guy probably got a raise. If it's actually 2 seasons, then I'm scared of how disjointed it might be.
>with a fresh slate and none of G's leftovers
That's the problem. There is no fresh slate, and with GX's leftovers we have a precedent set (that they confirmed at the Live, I was there and heard it) that they're not even pretending everyone who shows up isn't 100% to be befriended. I'd love for it to be good again, but the artistic integrity is pretty much gone in favor of shilling as many seiyuu songs as possible. Like I said earlier, I just hope they lay off the story as much as possible and stick to comedy and action. They always have a chance to do that correctly.
24 episodes takes more money than 12, and gives much more time to accomplish multiple goals from both a marketing and narrative perspective. Especially in the current anime climate where more than single-cour shows are really fucking rare even for adaptations, getting funded for more is a sign of confidence in the property.
>There is no fresh slate
GX was always about tying up G's problems, like the fact that FIS were on screen for half the show and they still didn't fit anywhere. The next story doesn't have that baggage to deal with and can start wherever it needs to, especially with Topdad doomed to irrelevancy.
>The next story doesn't have that baggage
Yes, they don't have FIS to finish up with. But like I said, topdad exists, Hibiki forgave him and forced him on her mom, and the precedent is set that they'll try to save literally anyone at the cost of civilian lives if it means Hibiki can pretend she saved a little girl who "deserved" saving.
Oh and now explosions can knock out Genjuro.
That's the slate I was talking about.
Topdad exists and will be lucky if he gets a cameo beyond an establishing shot of Hibiki's family. Hibiki will always try to find the way to save people and angst when she can't, because that's what Pink Leaders do, even when they're accidentally not pink; that's not a "slate", that's just her character.
Twitter tags to keep an eye on for Nanoha`s birthday stuff.
as of force she already would be if she weren't married
Fate is strong, this was clearly shown in A's. Is she independent? She was saved by Nanoha who's very important to her. But she also showed she was able to stand on her own, in A's, when she woke up from her dream, and saved Nanoha. I'd say Fate is strong and independant but also emotional when it comes to Nanoha.
Their marriage was hinted for a while in events/articles, and became official when the moment they changed Vivio's adoption status to include both Nanoha and Fate as her legal guardians, instead of just Nanoha like they did directly after StrikerS. We also got a lot of official wedding artworks at that time.