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Without resorting to DUDE PLOT LMAO, why was Vegeta always behind

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Without resorting to DUDE PLOT LMAO, why was Vegeta always behind Goku?

Nigga trains all day and still Goku is one step ahead of him despite hardly taking anything seriously.

Goku even holds back SSJ3 from him in their rematch, that's how bad the powergap gets at the end.
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>>138617068
DUDE PLOT LMAO,
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Goku trained with people, Kami, King Kai, Gohan in the HBTC, a whole bunch of people after he dies again, Vegeta always ignored other people and trained alone
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>>138617068

Training with other strong people > Gravity Training

Other than that, DUDE PLOT LMAO
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Piccolodick dosage was too strong.
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>>138617168
Because he was busy not being dead, thats fucking dumb.
>you died? fuck yeah, now you're even stronger
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>>138617068
DUDE GET THE FUCK OVER DRAGON BALL ALREADY AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE LMAO
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>>138617196
Its ridiculous that you can even get stronger while you're dead, but this is a children's cartoon
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Because Toriyama never liked Vegeta. He only strung him along because he's a popular archetype. He has said this in an interview. He's only just now beginning to see that he's actually a fairly well developed character and is starting to appreciate him. Which is why he's getting more attention in the new movies and Super.
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>>138617068
genetics brah. either you have it. or dont.
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>>138617431
Except Vegeta was the one with good genetics. That's explicit. Goku was part of the lower cast Saiyans who were inherently genetically weaker.
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>>138617546
DUDE PLOT LMAO
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>>138617546
Go read again the Vegeta talk during the Kid Bu fight, he openly admits Goku is a genius.
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>>138617775
Then again, Piccolo also says Vegeta is a genius.
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I think it was mentioned that Vegeta used to train himself way to much and never let his body rest, Goku would train hard as well, but he would let himself rest so he could train even harder later.
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>>138617775
They are both geniuses considering where they started from.
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If you really want a legit reason, it's because Vegeta was naturally powerful like frieza, so he didn't push himself as hard as Goku who had countless near death matches and progressively intense and skilled masters to teach him.

Vegeta was only able to catch up once he shared the same master and training regiment as Goku did (Whis)
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>>138617068
This videos explains it pretty well
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17uBk7zW33w
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Goku was a fight autist, he always trained to surpass himself

Vegeta just trained to surpass Goku, which is why he lost his goal whenever he surpassed generally.

Even Vegeta plainly lays out the reason Goku was always better during the final battle in DBZ when Goku fought Kid Buu. Its because Goku was always fighting against himself more than anything.
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>>138617068
Goku is a genius when it comes to fighting.
Genius>hardwork
This isnt naruto
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>>138618019
If you're using that equation, then it was Vegeta who was the born super genius, and Goku was the hard worker.
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Well he attained SS God form ALONE
Goku is only protected by plot most of the time, specially when editors stopped Toriyama from changing MC to Gohan in fear of losing sales, or so the ancient online rumors say
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>>138618040
No vegeta is not. Vegeta has better genes but these are things clearly stated but the story. Genius>hardwork
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>>138618050
>>138617858
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>>138617068
Goku had a total of 8 fucking years in the after life having special training with dieties.
Him and Vegeta were pretty much neck and neck from their original fight until Goku went full powered saiyan, where it was heavily implied that both him and Gohan got stronger because they trained together, compared to Trunks and Vegeta who trained at the same time, but not together.
After that, Goku got tons of time to train in heaven, but Vegeta started living a normal life, and training. But he literally had no one to train with him. Gohan had to study, and the only other fighter even able to put up a decent fight would have been Piccolo, who always goes off to train by himself.
That's the reason in DBSuper that they're back to being neck and neck, because Vegeta has someone to train with again.
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>>138617192
Thanks Doc
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>>138618064
Vegeta having one person say hes smart vs goku having it said all his life. I wonder whos smarter.
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>>138617068
Maybe Goku was simply more gifted?
Or the outcome of Raditz' fight simply set him up ahead (sayans used to get stronger every time they get beat up bad + he trained with kami and shit).
Or both of the above.
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>>138618029
I completely forgot about the slime people, but didnt all they do was teach him instant transmission?
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>>138618119
Piccolo isn't just "a person", but one of the wisest fighters in the show. If he says Vegeta is a genius then i'll believe him.
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>>138618075
I havent seen DBS but how are Piccolo and Buu on the same tier as Goku and Vegeta now since they are on the same team in the tournament?
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>>138618119
One person? Do we forget that Vegeta was as strong as his father when he was a child? Do you really think nobody called him a Genius?

Also it's Piccolo, his words shouldn't be taken lightly
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>>138618266
Well, Buu is just really strong to begin with, and he's pretty much indestructible with limitless stamina, so while he's weaker, he's still very good for a tournament.
But so far in DBSuper, no one in the tournament has shown much power. Goku purposefully only goes Super Saiyan, which suggests that Frost is, at best, Cell level.
The fact that Piccolo also pushes Frost also suggests Frost is around Cell level
Botamo is pretty weak, just durable.
It appears that Cabba is also going to be weak, but have a particular advantage. Vados seems to imply she chose the enemies based on their ability to win a tournament, not to be the strongest.
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>>138618232
that and the fusion technique
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>>138617068
No amount of hard work can beat a hardworking genius.
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>>138618618
Exactly, so there's no reason for there to be a power gap as they are both hardworking geniuses
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>>138618047
>Well he attained SS God form ALONE
LOL

He just did the ritual offscreen, stupid.
There's literally no reason NOT to, since it's a free powerup and all you need to do for it is hold hands.
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>>138618809
Goku abused Zenkai by himself to get a big lead on vegeta. Then toriyama retconned that to be impossible, so vegeta was stuck playing catch up forever.
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Vegeta is canon stronger than Goku now.

But LOLGOKUWINS will always happen.


Also, power levels are bullshit.
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>>138617168
>Goku trained with people, Kami, King Kai, Gohan in the HBTC, a whole bunch of people after he dies again
This. Everyone forgets that Goku needed King Kai, the closest thing to a god in that setting at the time, to MATCH Vegeta. And even then he needed the help of his entire buddy brigade to bring Vegeta to his knees: Ozaru Vegeta overpowered Goku even after his literally godly training.

Even in Super we see that Vegeta refuses to do the faggy handholding ritual to become a Super Saiyan God and becomes one through his own power. It's never explained why, but through his own efforts he becomes a Super Saiyan God.
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>>138618019
But genius and genes trumping hard work is pretty much what Naruto ended up being.
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>>138619002
The irony is that it'd actually be a cool psych-out of its moral if this was done intentionally and not as a side effect of turning naruto into DBZ.
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>train with a variety of mentors to get stronger and save the world

>train all alone by punching gravity for hours to get stronger than Goku
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>>138619026
But goku has super shit saiyan genes. DB is all about hard work trumping geneus.
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>>138619037
perfect
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>>138618920
Goku states that Vegeta didn't do the ritual, so unless he was able to find 5 other pure hearted Saiyans that none of the main cast know, he couldn't have done it
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>>138617068
Vegeta wad forcing his way forward, in fighting especially against goku, vegeta was the hit a wall keep hitting it till it crumbled. really it was his pride, he could admit he did somethings wrong but fighting is his thing and no one could teach him what he already knew in his mind. Goku is a fighting genius because he was willing to learn and be more flexable, he didn't have that pride problem where he has to plow through an obstacle prove domanence and streagth, Goku really had nothing to prove so he didn't mind going around obsticles or learning new tricks.

Really Vegeta feeling left behind made him weaker, when vegeta focuses on not surpassing Goku but just being a better vegeta is where he can get stronger than goku.
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>>138617225
>Its ridiculous that you can even get stronger while you're dead
Because monkey aliens from another planet that got destroyed by a family of aliens named after refrigerators makes total sense.
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>>138617068
You can't get ahead while you're trying to get even. Also because he's a manlet.
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>>138618920
no he didn't need to because of the god training Whis gave him. The training consisted of being in an area where gods live along with manipulating his ki to transcend normal mortality. Transcending into god like being isn't that uncommon with Monks since their whole training purpose is to be enlightens and reach the highest form awareness and unserstanding.
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>>138620151
only ones that kept their bodies could get stronger after death.
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I'm disappointed there's no Super this week for once. Right when something interesting was about to happen it looks like, maybe.
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>>138620283
Did he break reality?
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>>138617068
Goku = Strong Willed, Never gives up, Trains excessively and eats even more excessively building strength, Trains with higher beings with exotic training techniques(We don't see him train as much as he does but you can infer that he does train heavily.), favors physical punching over ki blasts, Dumb as shit(If I remember correctly Whis said Vegeta was the genius of the two but Goku had the raw spirit)
Vegeta = Trains heavily alone with self made methods(He prefers to train alone until he trains with Whis), Doesn't have the same will power and undying spirit as Goku, Vegeta favors pride and selfishness over others(excluding Bulma and Trunks), Favors spamming ki blasts over physical punching, Genius but lacks the spirit(Whis says that Vegeta has the intelligence but lacks the spirit and attitude of Goku and thats why they make an amazing team).

The conclusion being that Goku is stronger than Vegeta because while Vegeta excessively trains he lacks the same spirit as Goku and in the Saiyan race spirit converts directly into strength so Goku's strength is essentially limitless whereas Vegeta's spirit caps off his strength so he is always one step behind.
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>>138617068
Goku is just a bigger guy than Vegita. Anderson Silva can train all day but he won't be able to beat Mike Tyson. If Vegita really wanted to beat Goku he'd gather the dragon balls and wish to be the same size as Goku or a little bigger.
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>>138617775

You're looking at it out of context. Vegeta praises Goku as a genius due to his pure love for fighting allowing him to stand ahead of Vegeta who always had other things in mind (like surpassing someone else or even protecting his family). It wasn't about him being genetically superior or anything like that.
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>>138618920
Vegeta in the movie had said that next time he'd to the ritual, and Toriyama had mentioned in an interview that Vegeta had done the ritual after Goku, but Super changed things around. Vegeta had no interest in the ritual unlike in the movie and later is stated to have achieved that power due to his training with Whis, not any ritual.
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>>138620428
/fit/ get out. Frieza's smallest and scrawniest form is much more powerful than his bigger, bulkier forms. The manlet Vegeta was stronger than the musclebeast Nappa.

Toriyama's "thing" was making the unimpressive looking guys the strongest to throw people off balance. And it became so popular that in anime, anyone who is big and muscular is almost automatically a jobber.
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>>138620569

Armstrong from FMA wasnt a jobber, so i guess Armstrong is fucking strong.
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Vegeta was stronger than goku in:
-Their first fight
-The final fight with Cell
Goku was stronger than Vegeta in:
-Namek
-Buu saga

They are even.
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>>138620569
Frieze isn't a Saiyan so the rulls don't apply to him. Nappa is big but didn't have that much Kai. Vegeta at times has had just as much Kai or slightly more than Goku and still ends up getting beaten. I'm convinced it's because of the sheer size difference. Brody is mega huge and I doubt Goku could beat him if they were the same ssj lv.
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>>138617068
Did you even pay attention to the show

The idea behind Goku's strength is that he's fighting for those he loves, and that's why he's so powerful

It was only when Vegeta began to care for others that he started to really catch up, but even then he was still an asshole
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>>138617068
>why was Vegeta always behind Goku?
He's a manlet crybaby
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>>138620428
>Goku probably has at least forty pounds on Vegita.
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>>138617989
Wow, underrated post if I have ever seen one
Have any of you retards watch this?
I don't think so cause everything I see in this thread is bullshit
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>>138621230
Literal same faggot
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>>138618985
You watched Super and dont realize it yet?

Vegita trains with Whiis in Super, and its even explained, and Gokuu notices that Vegita is stronger then him now.
>Oh, you can finally sense the ki of gods?
Vegita was even given harder training then Goku.
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Vegeta is stronger than Goku, and has been for most story arcs.
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>>138621282
>dont
>Gokuu
>Vegita
>can't tell the difference between its and it's
>can't tell the difference between then and than
>putting commas before and

What grade are you in?
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>>138621450
It's actually Vegita

just like its Vegito
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>>138621507
Vegeta's name was inspired literally by the word vegetable
All official translation have his as Vegeta
So yeah you're completely wrong and ignorant
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>>138621682
shut the fuck up kid
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>>138617068

Vegeta started out with higher base stats therefore wasn't beaten almost to death as much as Goku. Meaning less chances for zenkai to kick in which was further enhanced by Kaioken. By the time every Saiyan was using SSJ, Goku had the most experience with the form and was able to devise the best way of squeezing the most out of it.
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>>138621507
You might as well go full retard and use Bejiitaand Bejiitto
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>>138620636
>Final Fight with Cell
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>>138621729
>kid
Nice projection crybaby
Stay mad
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>>138621867
Actually I dunno what you were talking about.
The last time that guy posted was >>138621282
Was pretending to be him.
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>>138620636
Namek would be arguable even. They were both doing their fair share of almost dying to be accurate they'd have to be ranked after each powerup.
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Goku is a genius who trained with the greatest masters in the universe and autistically trains himself to push his limits, while Vegeta is a retard mutant who only wins through brute force and cheating and cries when he loses
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>>138622838
>masters of the universe
That explains the transformations
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>>138617068
Without resorting to DUDE PLOT LMAO, why was Gohan always ahead of everyone?

Nigga never trains and still he's ahead of everyone despite hardly ever taking anything seriously.

Gohan even holds back his power ever arc then suddenly beats the shit out of the big bad when he starts trying, that's how bad the powergap is.
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>>138622967
human mentality seems to bolster the saiyan genes and power
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>>138617068
Aren't they exactly on the same level in normal, SSJ and SSJ2 but Goku can use SSJ3?
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>>138622967
>why was Gohan always ahead of everyone?
Genetics and those only took him so far.
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>>138622967
Because Lamarck
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>>138622967
That why Super shit on him
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>>138622967
Toriyama was a Gohanfag.
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>>138618019
Except that you're wrong in both cases.

Naruto ends up being about Genius > Hardwork.

And Vegeta was the one that was the genius and also genetically superior.

Putting aside that Goku is a Saiyan, because compared to the human figthers, of course there was something else, Goku actually achieved his level from hard work and not let himself to be completely consumed by his rivaly with other people.
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He did too much evil shit in the past.
It is called kharma.
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>>138622967
Human genes and saiyan genes apparently make for a great combination.
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>>138623670
>>138619026

Wrong. Naruto is hardwork + genius > hardwork
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>>138624151

Nope,Naruto teaches that Genes >Everything

Naruto and Sasuke only got hard due to genes.

Gai was essencially the author saying that hardwork will never sucseed.
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>>138618075
>But he literally had no one to train with him. Gohan had to study, and the only other fighter even able to put up a decent fight would have been Piccolo, who always goes off to train by himself.

This is complete horseshit. Vegeta didn't train with Gohan for the same fucking reason he didn't train with Future Trunks, despite being stuck with him for an entire year: Vegeta always trains on his own, which is exactly why he always seemingly lags behind.

Citing the fact that Goku got special training is nothing approaching a valid excuse for Vegeta lagging behind, when Gohan was around for seven fucking years and SSJ2 to boot. Vegeta choosing not to take advantage of that is just as fucking stupid, from a character perspective as Vegeta stupidly choosing not to train with Piccolo, Gohan and SSJ Goku during the 3 years before the Androids arrive.

The only person to blame for Vegeta not becoming stronger is Vegeta. Toriyama made this so plainly fucking obvious throughout the series, but people still shit out head-canon to make excuses for him.

It's exactly because Vegeta would rather do everything himself, Whis taking him on as a student was such a big deal. The fact that Whis flat out states that Vegeta has a shitload of potential, even above Goku and questions why Vegeta has trailed behind is the latest of many painfully obvious hints from Toriyama that everyone in DB, with the exception of Piccolo, benefits from teachers and training partners.
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>>138622967
He's a prodigy, though he acts like he ain't and waste all of his potential.
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Vegeta doesn't train the right way. Roshi taught Goku early on that relaxing is just as important. Vegeta just literally tries too hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwPMFve_oQ
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>>138624268


Naruto and Sasuke both worked hard to get where they are on top of their genes.

Especially Sasuke trained pretty much non stop after he left the village.

Gai reached an extremely high level through his training.
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>>138617168
This. Also Goku's training was always more practical and ahead of Vegeta. He always found better ways to train before Vegeta did or some one else would teach him. Hell he was in the afterlife doing insane fucking training while Vegeta did the same gravity training that Goku did a million fucking years ago.
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>>138617068
You really think AT thinks beyond DUDE PLOT LOL?
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because Vegita do sent stop training, you need to sleep a shit ton to get gains
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>>138617276
Why would he not like Vegeta when Piccolo is his favorite character? They're not that different.
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>>138621308
Goku was stronger
>Namek
>Cell
>Buu

Vegeta was stronger in
>Saiyan
>Androids

Also, Vegeta admitted Goku was #1.
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>>138617068
WHEN
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>>138617546
That's incorrect. Your power determined your caste. Lower class saiyans were such because they were weaker; which makes sense for a race of W.A.R.R.I.O.R.S.!
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>>138624151
I thought it was Destiny + Plot > Everything else
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>>138624698
To be fair, many of Sasuke's timeskip power-ups were either asspulls and/or Uchiha Sharingan shit. Naruto did more training than him.
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>>138624698
Sorry but if you're not descended from the Senju or the Uchiha then forget ever being the greatest ninja.
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>>138625579
>Ninjutsu
>not wanting superior Ninshu
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>>138625486
Did you ignore literally everything Vegeta said during the Saiyan Saga?
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>>138622967
I was under the impression that saiyan's getting in tune with emotions is what triggers SSJ, so a half breed with a human who is much more in tune with their emotions gets the benefit of early SSJ
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Goku is stronger due to mindset and training style.

sayans at core are not a "barbarian, do you even lift" race but more a "tecnique, martial arts ki control stuff"

Vegeta is manly a warrior using what a truly is a magic warrior class
Dude missed alot of his buffiing skill tree
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>>138625846
That page is exactly what I'm saying - the saiyans found to be weak are shipped off to conquer weaker races. Seeing as how training and other factors (Zekai, for one) affects your battle aptitude later in life, I assume that Saiyans would be tested throughout their lives. Goku was only on Planet Vegeta as a newborn so there was no up-to-date information Vegeta could have had on him. If Planet Vegeta still existed Goku would have been promoted.

Or is this all nonsense I've headcanoned?
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>>138624939
Well, one is the badass son of a mighty king, a worthy rival for Goku with whom he had a bloody death-match, and later turned into a unexpendable ally for the Z-fighters.

The other is Vegeta, the bitch of all saiyans.
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>>138626102

Sayans strength greatly increases after recovering from a near fatal battle (which Vegeta takes advantage of in the frezia saga). Goku had fought plenty of battles that pushed him in dragonball, and had recently given his all against Raditz during dragonballz. It's probably safe to assume that the prince was never put in any situation where there was a serious risk death, like goku's childhood.

Plus the training on king kais planet with 10x earths gravity for a year specifically to prepare for the arrival of vegeta. And it was still a close match.
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>>138621282
No explain it to me. Is vegeta stronger now only because of secret training or because he fights for something different now
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>>138625876
That's what I always thought too. Most of the time the saiyans are only calm or being arrogant, a few times they get angry and reach new levels


The hybrids are just always chimping out and going full ssj at age 10
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What the fuck is this bullshit
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>>138630740
Why are you reading the shittiest scanlation? Shit looks like it was drawn on paint
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>>138630782
They took down lots of sites that had Dragon Ball. The one I found is a combination of all the scans, but most of the Cell saga is this Duwang bullshit. It'll clear up by the end of it, but goddamn does it look like ass.
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>>138630894
Duwang is funny, this is just depressing
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>>138620428

Mike Tyson is shorter than Anderson Silva you dumbass.
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>>138630923
They took the Japanese version and mirrored it. Why? I have no clue.
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>>138630740
If you want to read Piccolo or Cell in English you should use Viz.
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>>138618232
also taught him good fashion sense. too bad he reverted back to his old clothes when he came back to earth
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>>138617192
yeh
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Vegeta was always the person with the most pride in the cast, it should be completely obvious why he was behind Goku when it counted once he realized he could never get stronger no matter how hard he tried. Everyone has their breaking point, and Goku was Vegeta's. A person with that much pride, in the end, wishes to make a difference that is comparable to what they view their own level as strength as capable of making. Once Vegeta realized it was impossible to be the best, he latched onto the best, in order to be a -part- of the difference that would be better than any he could make alone, so people could associate him with it and thus satisfy his pride and lust for people to accept his greatness. The other path, the one that idiots take, is to become the better person's nemesis, and then, since they are weaker and they know it, they will simply die a miserable loser who will forever be overshadowed by their superior no matter how great they would have been in any other time period had the superior not been alive at the time
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>>138631961
Current Vegeta has shown to be stronger than current Goku as far as feats go
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>>138627788
You're so clever, anon.
Upvote. Simply upvote.
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>>138630740
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>>138625271
Vegeta also smacked the shit out of Beerus at base Super Saiyan, which is more than Goku can say at Super Saiyan 3

As well as achieve God form on his own

Goku can sit comfortably at number 2
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So why did they not air Dragon Ball Super this week?
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>>138633648
>Vegeta also smacked the shit out of Beerus at base Super Saiyan, which is more than Goku can say at Super Saiyan 3
And then Goku got to go SSJG and absorb it while Vegeta sat his ass down on Earth.
It's not clear who's stronger in DBS/BoG because powerlevels are very volatile. If Vegeta actually gets stronger than Goku in Super it'll be 3-3.
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>>138633698
Because
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>>138617068
Beerus and Whis state why.

Vegeta wears his emotions in his sleeve, he either completely outclasses someone and gets arrogant, leadig to him getting his shit pushed in ( androids , cell) or he is weaker than who he is facing and he starts despairing ( freeza, buu)
He never actually puts in the effort to fight calm and collected, its always about either sniveling and crying or boasting and showboating.

He has no chill.
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>>138620283
ZAWARUDO
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>>138618266
Frost is at least ssj3 level( he goes up against ssj Goku who can fight against beerus but cant defeat him by force) ( reminder that beerus floored ssj3 goku without any effort before training goku into this new ssj ) , Piccolo admits he cant win against him but he keeps up and has a chance to defeat him ( he fails due to frost having a drug thing he injects on people) leading to beleive Piccolo is around cell level or a bit higher.
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>>138620283
is that dragon ball evolution piccolo?
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>>138621729
hes right you know?
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>>138622967
He's a quarter demon.

His mother is a demon princess.
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>>138617068

He really wasn't. There were two instances in DBZ when he was stronger:

>When he arrived at earth
>At the beginning of the Cell saga when the androids arrived
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>>138633698
Sports.
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>>138634488
Is this anon right?
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>>138634667
Gyu Mao , or Ox King as you know him is also translatable as Ox Demonlord. He is based on Niúmówáng ("Ox/Bull Demon King", "Ox Devil Lord" or "Ox Tyrant"), a character from the Chinese novel Journey to the West,
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>>138634905
With an astonishing power level of about 30
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>>138634905
That makes Goku the next Ox DemonKing, since he married the princess. and I guess Gohan is the Ox demonPrince.
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>>138635002
In the movie pamphlet for Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might and Dragon Ball Z: The Anime Adventure Game, Ox-King's power level is stated to be 900.
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>>138634667
>>138634905
>>138634488
It's never said or stated,
but you have to admit, Ox demonlord does present a good case.


Although, as senile toriyama is, I don't think he intended that to be the case and just forgot from his early years later on.

I mean, the size of Ox King varies in the series so fucking much he might as well be. (Not to mention Chi-chi used kaioken - or something similar - in the animu filler)
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>>138635128
Gohan as a little kid was wearing a chinese prince outfit to remind the readers that he was a prince, he also ended up being trained by the sucessor of the Demon King, Piccolo Daimao.

One of gohan main techniques is Masenko, or "Devil light".
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>>138620727

how can you be so fucking wrong. Goku always fought because he liked it. He never gave a fuck about his family otherwise he would have come back from the dead when allowed
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Damn this thread makes me want to rewatch DBZ, it's been ages.
Which arc should I watch? Or do they all have too much filler to be bearable?
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>>138635683
Watch DBZ Kai, and don't miss the piccolo drives episode filler from the Cell saga(?).
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>>138635091
Those have never made any sense, one says cooler had a power level of 400000000 but he lost to goku who should've been like half that
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>>138635966
But he lost because he was sent to the sun.
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>>138636278
He lost because ssj goku thrashed him
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Okay, this is bullshit
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I only read the one true dragonball manga these days
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>>138617068

Ki control requires spiritual enlightenment for progression, Goku is an autistic savant of battle who's mind is totally unclouded and was trained by literal divinity. It ties subtly in with Japanese concepts of perfection and Buddhist teachings about mastery of the self.

Goku lives the essence of "fight", in a pure and unfettered sense. Vegeta is too caught up in himself and his rivalry to ever over come Goku in this kind of narrative.
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>>138617546
>vegeta
>good genetics
>receding hairline and manlet

lmao
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>>138617068
Goku trains more effectively than Vegeta. This is seen when Goku steps out of the time chamber and explains why he got so much stronger than Vegeta in a shorter span of time. Vegeta's idea of training is just more pain = more progress.
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>>138637204
I highly doubt the saiyans thought in any other way than Power > All
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Because "friendship" and "I have something I need to protect and that's what makes me stronger" or whatever sappy bullshit.

Vegeta's not a cuck like Goku so he can't get as strong.
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>>138637852
>implying Vegeta isn't actually the one with human emotions
>implying Goku isn't a violent retard living only for the fighting challenge
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>>138617068
Vegeta is a talented street brawler who learned most of his skills from fighting. He has more innate power, but goku ultimately wins because he had masters to teach him shortcuts/tricks/strategy
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>>138624289
>This is complete horseshit. Vegeta didn't train with Gohan for the same fucking reason he didn't train with Future Trunks, despite being stuck with him for an entire year: Vegeta always trains on his own, which is exactly why he always seemingly lags behind.
that's what I said
try reading closer
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