AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHH

get fucked

>>138587210
She had it coming desu

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>>138587264
>>138587270
fuck you

How could anyone care about this retarded cunt let alone anyone in IBO?

>>138587813
She did.

Nobody gives a shit about her fairness nonsense on the battlefield.

>>138587210
It really is too bad that cute fox lady didn't survive.

>>138587210
Why did McGillis send her to her death if he thought she was a great friend and noble(according to his inner monologue)?

Was it rape?

>>138587210
Her lies Carta, her only accomplishment is breaking a biscuit.

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>>138588016
Carta is love

She was too pure for that world

>introduce a shitty character
>kill it few episodes later

Shit writing as expected of okada

>>138588154
To get Tekkaden riled up for next episodes ambush

>>138588016
Here's your reply.

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Tekkadan gets it's reckoning next week judging form the preview pictures.

>>138588154

To suit his context necessary to create righteous obstacles for Tekkadan and Kudelia.

He's objectively sponsoring and backing Tekkadan from behind the scenes to deliver Gjallarhorn a political blow to reform it from the inside out.

To do this he's using his two childhood friends as fuel for the fire.

No burial = no death.

I'll believe it when I see it.

>>138587210
>inb4 she's cut in half and they throw her parts in to a Gundam

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>>138589002
>Good news, Ein! I made you a girlfriend!

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Mika is manipulating Orga isn't he. It feels too much like something Mika would say

>>138588790
Oh boy a bunch of unnamed kids we don't care about and maybe Shino will die. Whoop.

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>>138589402
>He also told me to tell you to give his food rations to me in case something happens to him.

>>138588433
Almost thought you were talking about Tomino for a second there.

>>138588878
Hoping you're right

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Soon.

>>138590453
I hope based RoboEin kill this faggots

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>>138587210
Carta did nothing wrong. She was too cute and noble.

She even challenged them to a duel 3v3, not to the death either, so no one else would have to die. If she won they'd give Kudelia and Makanai and fuck off back to Teiwaz, if they won they'd be allowed to pass and she'd stop chasing them.

>>138590553
seconded

>>138587210
what a pitful death

feel bad to be honest

>>138590059
Here's your reply

>Mika convinces Orga to be bloodthirsty when Orga starts doubting in this episode
>Which in turn causes Orga to instill it in the rest of Tekkadan
>Mika got surprised by Carta calling out for McGillis.

Watch him have an epiphany in the last episode while watching Tekkadan from afar.
"Wow these guys are nuts, the enemies are people too and have loved ones who will want revenge. I'll never find that place like this, I'm out". It will be like Sousuke Sagara and the rugby club in fumoffu.

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NO GREATER GOOD
NO JUST CAUSE

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>>138590453
Would've been the best thing to come out of this series.

>>138590553
Triggered the grammar out of you?

>>138590767
Carta's achievements include chasing down a Mobile Worker with an unarmed passenger on top and ramming her huge ass sword into it. Where is that honour you speak of?

>>138591576
It was the enemy commander. After they had been hailed with a warning before conflict even broke out.

>>138592167
It was a battle situation and he was the enemy commander actively giving orders, which is how she spotted him in the first place. There was nothing dishonorable about it.

A duel is an entirely different situation and she went out of her mech as a sign of good faith towards the negotiation she was attempting.

>>138592167
That MW is an armed weapon and could easily kill a person, also what she did was the correct choice attacking the enemy commander retarded enough to put itself in the open, you could said it was honor lest of Ein to attack the reporters shuffle back in the colony, but for Carta to attack the enemy commander in and armed vehicle is nothing out of question

>>138592167
Didn't even use her sword. She kicked it over.

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>>138587210
rekt desu

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>>138590453
He's dead, Jim

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>>138592348
>Mika is making Barbatos-chan cry

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Were they aiming from the beginning to make Tekkadan awkward to sympathize with?

It's not just Carta. I felt more even for Carta's subordinates than I can say I do for most of Tekkadan.
Was this their intention? For the Outer Earth Orbit Regulatory Joint Fleet to be more easily to sympathize with than Tekkadan itself?

>Challenging a bunch of Child soldiers on a the job to a duel and expecting them to fight honorably.
>Only doing this after you failed to stop them with massively superior numbers.

>>138592477
I'd like to say so as I have yet to ever sympathize with Tekkadan, but at the same time the heroic music playing when Mika was being a psychopath makes me doubt it.

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>People think this won't end with Mika killing Orga and Kudelia because they "got in Tekkadan's way"

>>138592477
I care more about the Tekkadan than the crazy fox bitch and her goons.

>>138587210
I'm not really sure why she was still alive at this point. But I guess masterful storytelling required her miserable death with no chance to fight back. Oh well.

>>138592755
I liked Biscuit. I admit that it's kind of ironic that it was Carta and her fleet who in particular who did him in. And I do miss Biscuit.
But aside from Biscuit I find it really hard to feel for anyone of Tekkadan. Maybe Eugene but he isn't even part of the group anymore.

>>138592477
Main char being an opportunist and killing enemies while they are still busy preparing gets my dick hard as a rock.

It sure as hell beats the overdone "lead character questioning moral values mid battle".

>>138592477
I didnt really care about Carta but Tekkadan just pisses me off.
I hope they get slaughtered as well.

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>>138592357
Nah, he'll be fine. Ein on the other hand is beyond fucked.

>>138592477
They're child soldiers fighting a war for survival because they've never had any other option.

Of course they aren't going to play nice. Their actions shouldn't be making you feel bad when you consider things in context. When you realize Carta is just a clueless spoiled brat that literally can't understand why people wouldn't want to follow her rules, it's easy to not feel bad about her getting her shit slapped. She walked into a battle for survival and treated it like a game.

If you should feel bad for anyone, feel bad for Cartha's subordinates, that were forced to follow her ignorant, naive ass into battle and die pointlessly because she doesn't understand the difference between child's play and a war.

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>>138592512
And she already knew they wouldn't bother humoring her childish pride. Her death was entirely the fault of her own stupidity.

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>>138592777
They could have made her suffering last longer.

Good she killed Biscuit the bitch deserved death.

>>138587210
Tekkadan's bloodlust is gonna mold Mars into Zeon #151556486 in Season 2.

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That splat

>>138593144
What if Sunrise's goal is to transform Tekkadan in some sort of Zeon-like group to appeal all the Zeon apologist in Japan and overseas ?

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>>138593133
>>138593042
>>138593038
Carta haters confirmed for scum


>They're child soldiers fighting a war for survival because they've never had any other option.
They had plenty of options after joining Teiwaz

I kinda like this despite people thinking this is crap, so I wondered were I could start watching gundam.
I watched G-gundam, and both season of build fighters, I also watched wing, but that was over 10 years ago when I was 9-8.
Are there other AU series that are good or should I start with the first and go with release order?

>>138592477
I feel bad for Tekkadan for having to find motivation for surviving in the death of their friend.

>>138593038
Good luck trying to reason with waifufags.

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>Reset

both sides for different reasons they suck equal

>>138587210
>He hasn't learned
If there's a qt waifu in Gundam, she's very likely to die.

Wait the episode is called
>THE FINAL LIE
What was the lie? Pretending to be McGilis part at the end, Mika lying about what Biscuit said or McGillis lying to Carta so she would go in and suicide?

>>138593038
>If you should feel bad for anyone, feel bad for Cartha's subordinates, that were forced to follow her ignorant, naive ass into battle and die pointlessly because she doesn't understand the difference between child's play and a war.
They were exactly the same way in case you missed the navy guy complaining about them not going by the textbook. Earthsphere has had 300 years of peace. Mars sphere is like the middle east with constant fighting, pirates, slavery, mafia, etc..

>>138587210
Not even a waifufag, she was just one of the greatest female villains out there in anime and they just had to do this terrible thing to her, fuck everything.
>>138593271
Press F to pay respects.

>>138593444
Garma pretending to be McGillis for Carta.

>>138593444
Mika lying about what Biscuit said

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>>138593501
>she was just one of the greatest female villains out there in anime

>>138593501
>greatest female villains out there in anime
Oh come on, I like her too but that's going too far.

>>138587210
FUCKING SPOILERS YOU GODAMN RETARD

>>138593444
McGillis has betrayed Tekkadan. Orga and Mika realize it this episode. Garma pretending to be McGillis.

>>138593444
>What was the lie?
EVERYTHING
Orphans get slaughtered!
Gjallarhorn gets slaughtered!
Makanai is actually a dictator!
Kudelia gets BTFO!

>>138589292
lel

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>>138593501

Kek

>>138588154
I figured her old man isn't in good health so he's not long for this world. Take her out and that's the most powerful family in the organization wiped out leaving his family in prime position to fill the power vacume

What reason would Mika have to lie about what Biscuit said? He's not that crazy

>>138593474
>>They were exactly the same way in case you missed the navy guy complaining about them not going by the textbook. Earthsphere has had 300 years of peace. Mars sphere is like the middle east with constant fighting, pirates, slavery, mafia, etc..

Actually Tekkedan should know less about mobile suit combat than Gjallarhorn as they couldn't afford them on mars and the only one they had was used as a reactor.

>>138588154
He's a sociopath if you haven't noticed.

>>138593666
He is.

>>138593038
They're child soldiers fighting to overturn the order to usher chaos, in the hope of the possibility to create a in their eyes more righteous peace, that may or may not hold up even if they succeed. They are terrorists bringing literal war. And it's not just Kudelia. They're also harbouring Makanai who has been banished. Another individual that poses a danger to order and peace.

The basic argument is that the peace has to be broken for the lower classes to have a chance of improving their situation. But true or not there is no saying if Kudelia will even succeed and if they get their revolution innocent people will die no matter if they succeed or not. Kudelia may want to become hope but at the same time she is the cataclysm of chaos in story.

Carta and the regulatory joint fleet were charged with the purpose of protecting Earth's perimeter from invaders. Protecting the order. And here comes Tekkadan, literal terrorists bringing chaos of war. Good intentions or not they're trouble. Not even just for the upper classes, but the chaos they bring will surely pose a problem to many of the lower classes as well. It is chaos after all.
It could be said that they are in the way of change and that change needs to be had. How change is brought forth however is up to debate. What can really be said by the end of the day however is that Carta and the regulatory joint fleet were on the side of order, fighting to stop chaos, and to save lives. While Tekkadan are on a mission to overturn the order sparking chaos with their revolution. Just accepting casualties as collateral damage that can't be avoided.

There are arguments for and against both parties. But one side was fighting to protect while the other was fully aware of and accepting of there being casualties.

>>138593666
Orga was having doubts about going all in Mika style. He's totally crazy enough to do it even his preview narration agrees.

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>>138593501
>she was just one of the greatest female villains out there in anime

Not even the best of the season.

>>138593585
Fuck off retard.

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Carta did nothing wrong.

>>138593703
Load of bs. Probably pasta.

>>138593038
>>138593703
Actually, they are fighting for revenge. You can bet Mika will want McGillis ass now because he thinks he betrayed them.

>>138593675
Alaya Vaj = instant pro pilot

Add that to their extensive combat training with it in mobile workers and they're far more experienced. Mika wrecked them on the first day piloting with a faulty mech.

>>138593271
I get her being out of the mobile suit to issue the challenge, kinda retarded but whatever it's her thing, but why would you do that and make your subordinates do it with you

she deserved the beatdown that befell her and her men

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>>138593444

The lie according to Okada was Gaelio pretending to be McGillis for Carta's sake whilst she died.

>>138593826
Because it is the honorable thing to do.

>>138593826
So nobody jumps the gun, if they see her and her men outside they won't attack out of fear of being attacked and can accept the terms calmly

>>138593817
Specifically the AV system turns whatever you're driving with it into a neural-link prosthetic as much as Mechanic-san's legs are. Literally a part of you you move like your own body. They pent no small fucking amount of time explaining this (and everything else, to the point nothing else fucking happens but exposition) in the first half.

>>138593817
You'd think a regular military would have better training than a poorly managed pmc.

Also the argument was regarding tactics which Tekkedan shouldn't know much about.

Crank had probably spent more time in a mobile suit than those shits had been alive.

>>138593829
source or you're pulling it out your ass

>The final lie
This means there was a chain of lies that lead up to Garma's lie before she died. There was a lot of lying this episode that all lead to Carta's death. Bravo sunrise

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>>138593829
Why must the universe punish the good? McGillis is a shit

>>138593826
>>138593889
>>138593907
At the same time though

>doing this
>with no snipers watching
>no reinforcements
>not even a band of MWs
>expecting them to accept while eliminating exactly zero alternatives

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Useless woman.

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>>138588154
He knows Tekkadan can beat fox retard with ease. If he didnt convinced his "father" to send her again oldfart would someone actually capable.
Same with Ein. There is probably some killswitch of remote override if thing go south. And if he didn't do that Gari Gari would thought of another plan McGills would have no control of.

>>138593945
>You'd think a regular military would have better training than a poorly managed pmc.

>fight exactly zero battles for 300 years
>expecting anyone to know how to fight at all
It's literally all theory and wargames. They might as well have been playing AirLand Battle to train their commanders. Meanwhile CGS had been doing actual fighting of some sort.

>>138593829
I really hope Gaelio gives McGillis some serious shit after this.
While Ein technically may have wanted to become the gundam monster, Gaelio's opinion of McGillis must have surely dropped like a bomb after what pushing for making Ein into a machine and for sending Carta to her death.

>>138593980
Carta is as dumb as a rock. Her previous behavior has proved this.

Garma is such a cuck.

>>138594033
About that, it seems McGillis has everything planned… if Ein goes out of his hands there is always the reset >>138593402

>>138592477
I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be sympathetic and the writers messed up. Even now they're probably supposed to be sympathetic characters going down a questionable path, it's just not really coming across for everyone because they fucked up the development leading up to it.

>>138593955
This makes complete sense and is the most likely correct answer. There were multiple lies in the episode up to the final one on Carta's death

Mika was definitely lying

>>138594029
She and Atra - the only ones that haven't watched "duel".

>>138587210
Killing Carta is one thing. But that double 180 they did was just unnecessary. Don't toy with me like that.
After I had finally accepted her death, don't drag up my hopes from their grave with Gali-Gali's valiant rescue, only promptly have her die anyway.

>>138594029
When the fuck is she going to sexually heal Orga?

>>138593760
>liking the selfish edgy prostitute

>>138593980
Imagine being Carta now, someone who cares about honor, herself, and the guys under her command. Why would you doubt them to accept your offer, a duel that reduce a lot the risk of a bloodshed? it makes no sense that they would not accept a deal like that, the other option was running away from this duel and fight an endless war against a stronger force with no chance of winning.

>>138594164
Please god don't let us have some sort of "women are good men are fucked up" thing going on.

>>138594154
For you it may be worse, but for her it was the best outcome. Yeah it was a huge lie, but Gali cheer her up, in the end she die happy

>>138594198
JUST FUCK ORGA HOLY SHIT JUST FUCK HIM YOU USELESS BITCH

Seems cartafags have some real difficulties in navigating the morally grey zone.

This better end with Orga and Gali teaming up vs Mika and Chocoman.

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>>138587210
Don't worry she's just asleep.

Friendly reminder that Tekkedan are the bad guys here.

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Biscuit would feel disgusted by this.
He may have accepted and rationalized the outcome. But he would still feel disgusted by it.

It's as if everyone of Tekkadan with a functional conscience able to chastise the rest of the group have died, with the rest of Tekkadan all being trash.

>>138594046
>It's literally all theory and wargames. They might as well have been playing AirLand Battle to train their commanders. Meanwhile CGS had been doing actual fighting of some sort.

theory and wargames that are closer to what the battles have been like.

Also they were fighting in the first episode. They have had some activity.

Most of the Tekkedan's equipment is new to them and none of their experience would be remotely similar to what has gone on after they left mars.

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>>138594288
>touching damaged goods

>>138594198
Don't pretend that Carta was doing this for any reason other than her own pride.

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>>138594280
I guess you're right.

>>138594305
Fuck off Garma.

>>138594307
No, the conscience is still there, Tekkadan decided to not listen.

>>138594349
Of course she was doing it for her own pride (and for Mcgillis), I'm just trying to explain why she didn't doubt they were going to accept her offer.

>>138594322
>not wanting to comfort damaged goods

>>138594315
>theory and wargames that are closer to what the battles have been like.
Yeah, and Tekkadan have shat on them as a result.
>lol this bombardment
>why are they standing in a row
>why the fuck are they firing so much don't they know how much ammo costs

>>138594292
>expecting something from waifufags in Gundam

>>138594198
Because she thinks those guys she is asking for a duel might have the same privileges and etiquette she was raised with.


>Please god don't let us have some sort of "women are good men are fucked up" going on.
>not expecting this from Okada

>>138594307
They're grieving and angry kids, anon. They all forgot about their consciences.

>>138593703
What >>138593795 said.
Tekkadan never wanted to "change the world".
They just wanted to make it big and they could have made it by just working normally after joining Teiwaz.
But no. They continue going on, making illogical decisions and when they bite them in the ass they shift the blame.
You can argue that real people do this too yet it appears there's not a single individual capable of introspect in their crew.
Fool me once shame on you.
Fool me twice shame on me.

>>138594154
They should have killed her 2 episodes before.

>>138594292
More like both sides have been parroting the same shit for two consecutive threads.

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>theme kicks in

>>138594397
Bitch was spoiled to get things done in her terms.

>>138594307
That's the (hamfisted) point.
Biscuit was Tekkadan's cool head and their conscience. He's gone now, so they're going to run wild.
Question is, will they find their moral center or will they just destroy?

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>>138594307
It's because Biscuit had a family. He couldn't allow himself to become a monster if he were to ever hope to live with them.

>>138594492
They'll be the antagonists in season 2.

>>138594307
If only Eugene was here.

>>138594577
Nah, some kid will bite the dust and they will realize what they did was wrong.

>>138594421
>Yeah, and Tekkadan have shat on them as a result.
No that is the show being stupid and adhering to bad tropes.

>>138594492
To be fair, the most moral outcome of this whole thing would be Tekkadan destroying everything they can get their hands on. There are no non-combatants in globalism.

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>>138594577
Not with McGillis still around.

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>>138594492
Destroy, until Eins comes in and tears them a new one. My bet is on that drill chick from Naze's group biting it along with several children. Then Naze finally comes in and smacks some sense into Orga, I don't see Merribit doing it.

>>138594633
This is not new to Gundam in any way.

>>138594452
Like they'd give a shit about overall society when it was their environment on Mars that created them. Really they're just doing the role that was was given to them, and that's operate as mercenaries. They have a cause as well, but every political fucker that wants their way sends the cavalry in.
Their crew shouldn't give a fuck about others, they just want to get from point A to B and others won't let them.

>>138594723
He'll be the season 2 protagonist's Bright.

>>138594752
Which is going to be a complete asspull because they need a challenge. They've been living with AV systems pretty much their entire lives and now Ein is suddenly up to par with them just because he got it.

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>Merrybit is useless now
>Kudelia stopped whinging this ep and progressed plot last one

Feels weird.

>>138594792
Never said it was new to Gundam, I only said what it was.

>>138594832
Ein's seems a bit more advanced than theirs.

>>138587210
She was retarded til the end. I can't believe she was able to kill one of the major characters.

>>138594851
>Merrybit is useless now
>now

Has she ever not been?

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>tekkadan are literally mercenaries fighting for a fascist revolution started by a social elite and backed by financial power
>they are totally the good guys we swear

>>138589402
Mika doesn't seem like the machvelli type. His Gundams name is Barbaros and he threw away the katana for a freaking club for godsakes.
He's literally a brute. The only reason he's MC is 'muh place to belong' and he trusts orga to figure that shit out.

>>138594832
>suddenly up to par with them just because he got it.
Yes that's how AV works. What part of 'the mobile suit is the user's body' don't you get? Walking in a mobile suit with AV installed is like walking with your own legs.

>>138595015
Even when it comes to stuff like that, someone with years of experience is going to perform better than someone who just started.

>>138592565
I don't know what to believe after fumitans death and 'princess of light and hope' got played straight.
I think the writer thought it was going to be a devil/angel thing, where Kudelia is the angel professing nice things and Mika is making it happen with pure violence.

>>138594955
I was blinded by Kudelia constantly being in the spotlight and her uselessness being focused on.
Despite helping out several times before Edmonton.

>>138595015
That's like saying a baby who just leaned how to walk could keep up with a grown adult.

>>138594832
Well for starters, Erin is a professional trained mobile suit pilot while Mikazuki has crazy raw talent.

>>138594957
>gallahorn literally murder people for shit and giggles
>totally okay, fuck the space rats!

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>>138595107
But he is a grown adult

>>138595142
>implying you wouldn't fuck the space rats

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>>138594955
Not him. But not really. Remember this?

I miss the purple hair loli.

>>138593271
Did he get Kaworu'd?

>>138595142
The characters portrayed as the most benign, charismatic, and principled in this show are literal mafiosos.
Remember that.

>>138595142
Gjallarhorn is corrupt, but Gjallarhorn also isn't one fully unified organization.
The joint fleet for sure wasn't corrupt.

>>138593271
What the fuck was he even trying to do?

>>138589402
He was holding a gun behind the tree wasn't he?

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>>138595268
Her brother will die.

>>138594799
Literally DINDUS

>>138591688
>rugby club in fumoffu
Dont remember that part, then again i only watched fumoffu to have background noise while i ate or something

Oh boy I sure do love watching politics the show. I already work enough in politics I don't need it with my gundam

>>138595293
>mafiosos
Mafiosi. And damn, I just realized he is the only one that seems to like girls, the rest oscillate between ignoring them and using whore houses.

God DAMN that was satisfying.

>>138595459
Mika kissed Kudelia remember?

>>138594452
>Tekkadan never wanted to "change the world".
>They just wanted to make it big
From an outside perspective however, they are working for Kudelia and promoting her goals. And those are her goals. With that in mind any outsider would think of Tekkadan as an extension of Kudelia and thereby claim that Tekkadan are trying to bring forth a revolution.
Granted that Tekkadan as individuals fighting for revenge doesn't exactly make them any more sympathetic.

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>>138595461
You think that was satisfying? Wait until next episode when those damn orphans heads start flying

>>138594029

WHY IS SHE SO USELESS

FUCK, MAN

WHY

DO SOMETHING GOD DAMN IT

>>138588154
Because she's literally the Garma, McGillis did it so he can use her as martyr for his cause

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>>138594150
Neither did Yamagi.

Orga being Mika's little bitch while still pretending he's the on top is getting annoying.

>>138595543
I meant like as in "treat them well, actually value them". I am not saying that the tekkadan are presented as female haters or anything, it's just that the only tekkadan character that cared about girls was Biscuit and he was killed.

But I admit I don't remember what is Mika's opinion about Kudelia.

>>138595578
Mika's fighting for a 'home'
Orga's fighting to make a 'home'
Biscuit was fighting to support his 'home'
I think its pretty obvious that the revenge part is mostly because they are butthurt that people die in war. If they got non-combat jobs they wouldn't have to worry about that shit. But no, violent corporate takeover and protecting a world-class political official as their first job was their choice.
>>138595650
She thought she knew how to deal with them because they were kids. In that scene she realized no one can help them.

>>138595578
I know that.
I'm not defending Tekkadan.
They were given plenty of chances to back down and they rejected them.
When things didnt go their way not once did the stop and think "Maybe we made a wrong decision".

>>138595454
>Politics in this episode
It was mostly child soldiers fucking shit up though.

>>138595716
>I admit I don't remember what is Mika's opinion about Kudelia.
And Atra, sometimes I forget she exists.

>>138595716
>But I admit I don't remember what is Mika's opinion about Kudelia.
sex
>"treat them well, actually value them"
most of the random orphan cast seemed to like fumitan and olga likes merrybit. Mika even liked the braclet atra gave him and saved her when she was young.
I don't know where you are going with this.

>>138594957
>fascist revolution
Says who?
Apparently the Great Economic Bloc Empire of Edmonton Alberta had a bunch of political thugs drive out the most popular political candidate in a Gjallarhorn-backed coup so they could fix an election USSR-style. Putting that candidate back in the running so that democracy can happen as it should is the exact opposite of fascism.

Tekkadan are fighting for Democracy, Freedom, Labour Rights, the little guy(tm), and the interests of the Canadian voting public.

>>138595794
>I don't know where you are going with this.
Me neither, I am just seeing too much into this >>138595095 and in Tekkadan ignoring Merribit.

>>138587210
SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE

>>138595835
>the interests of the Canadian voting public.
Tekkadan's being awfully impolite about it, tho.

>>138595771
>mostly child soldiers
mostly mika being uncivilized
I thought it was a good metaphor for how the powerful are comfortable and weak while the poor take any chance they have to win.
>>138595835
Tekkadan is fighting for their pocketbook first and foremost sir, politics be damned. If there's a second reason its revenge(against the world that shamed them), if there's a third its honor.
Political ideology is dead last.

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These hands have grown very dirty in time.

>>138595891
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>138595898
They ain't got no respect to give for them there Gjallahosers and neither should you there, eh bud.

Gaelio is a faggot I hope he dies along with Ein they were good friends and all but they are useless

>>138595948
top kek!

How old was Carta supposed to be anyway?

Can't be more than maybe 4-5 years compared to McGillis and Gaelio,who both seem to be in their mid to late 20s.

The chick looked like she was in her 40s already, damn it. Even as a kid she looked like a cake.

>>138595858
>Tekkadan ignoring Merribit
If you ever saw that film Dangerous Minds in the 90s about a white woman teacher who goes into the black schools and tries to 'reform' them its basically the same thing. She doesn't get their way of thinking, although she works for the fucking Mafia she's portrayed as a average good woman. She literally exists to be upset at them for killing people.

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>Alberta
>Hills

Why doesn't Gaelio just turn Carta into a Gundam too?

>>138593954

post on /m/ earlier today cited Okada posting some brief messages on Twitter shortly after the episode aired confirming both Carta being dead after Gaelio spoke to her one last time pretending to be McGillis and that the meaning of the episode's title was based on the scene to which she says is one of her favorite scenes from working on the show.

>>138595835
Tekkadan are fighting for the money and fame.
Kudelia is making them fight because hope or something, which means her having the power because she definitely knows how to run this shit and because she has to repay the ones who helped her and clearly she wouldn't be able to do so in a real democracy.

Don't believe the lies, the first thing that happens after Kudelia taking power is big powers eating the resources of the people.

Where to see the preview pics for episode 24? I don't see any of the death in the preview that anons have been going on about.

>>138596035
Of course he will turn her into a gundam. A chuuni as fuck gundam.

>>138596041
>favorite scene
>muh honor spoiled brat killed by the mc and 2ndary antag crying like a bitch over her gundam carrying her hime style
goddamn okada

>>138596023
> No maple farms or geese attacking the train

Highly unlikely

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>>138587210
>waiting for manko

>>138596110
>no maple gundam

Post yfw you realize Carta would have followed McGillis into hell if he asked, but he instead used her as a stepping stone and discarded her.

>>138595941
THE WOLBACHIA!

>>138596106
Nice meme

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>mfw I realize that we are up to 24 episodes and literally nothing has happened

>>138587210
>give her sex hair
>but only after she's dead

I don't know if I can fap to this.

>>138596146
That's his problem he could have them join his NOT!AEUG but he didn't he sent them to their deaths

>>138596201
Don't worry, she's still mostly alive at that moment. Probably.
She's still warm.

>>138594050

And Gaelio is allowing this close friend of his to one day bang his younger sister.

Shit is going to explode soon with Gaelio.

>>138596198
They got from Mars to Earth in about as many weeks as it'd take NASA to fly there and got a lot of gullible, innocent proletariat killed along the way.

>>138595788
Don't feel bad, the show does the same every now and then

>>138588349
savage

>People honestly think that they are portraying Tekkadan's REVENGE! thing in a good light as the right thing to do.

Seriously, are people just getting confused because they played the theme song during it? They had thunder and lightning during the scene with Mika and Orga, the adults are freaked out over it, and even the black mechanic guy said that it's wrong.

It's wrong, but it's what Tekkadan needed to keep moving forward with the job. Their leader was crouched in a fetal position in his room, everyone was depressed, and Shino of all people was in command. SHINO! That's how bad things were.

The revenge thing is motivation to keep moving forward because as things stand they can't go back yet. They're on Gjallarhorns shit list and illegally in Earth territory with no ride ack into space. The whole scene with Mika and Orga in the last episode was to drive the point into Orga and remind him that he was the one who put them on this path that and that they literally can't stop now so he needs to take some damn responsibility and keep them moving.

It's wrong and fucked up but there's no other options left and that's the point.

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>>138595835
>Tekkadan are fighting for Democracy, Freedom, Labour Rights
What a load of bullshit
Tekkadan is company
They are fighting for money

Couldn't they have just made Ein a cyborg? They cut off his fucking dick.

>>138596311
>It's wrong and fucked up but there's no other options left and that's the point.
I think you're right. That was why Mika said 'it doesn't matter you're still an enemy'. I wonder if the underlying meaning was that he decided to gain an overwhelming victory at that point to boost tekkadan's morale. He did say on the PV he's fighting to crush things for the tekkadan now.

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So why didn't Atra watch Mikazuki slaughter Carta and her men?

>>138596399

She's pure.

>>138596023
Wow we got a shoutout?

>>138595919
MacBeth

>>138596399
To stay pure for Mika.

>>138596384
Not like he used it .

>>138596426
The entire plot of this last arc has been trying to sneak into Edmonton because it somehow became the capital of a world superpower.

Mecha shows always seem to have a hardon for bumfuck nowhere cities in Canada.

>>138596426
They're heading to Edmonton


canadafags, what's so special about Edmonton that the writers decided to make it a key location?

>>138596084
>Where to see the preview pics for episode 24?
after en ED?
>I don't see any of the death in the preview that anons have been going on about.
the destroyed tanks

>>138596399
They forgot to draw her.

>>138587210
B
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M
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>>138596472
my theory is that cities became 'uncool' to live in hence all the rich people moved out to country or seasteaded

>>138596479
Well, Alberta is literally the only reason Canada is even able to keep its lights on at this point because Canada's leadership is fucking retarded, and Edmonton is the capital of Alberta, so.
Maybe when Canada went belly up, Alberta seceded and formed a solvent country.

>>138596198

Bullshit. So much has happened it's silly.

Dozens of characters have died, businessmen have sponsored and secretly plotted to destroy Tekkadan, fucking space pirates came and went, Makanai has been revealed to be an old power hungry asshole and not the saviour in waiting he was pegged to be, Gjallarhorn is fucked and a total viper's den of power mongering snakes barring the few sympathetic figures.

I could go on for paragraphs on end.

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Would you make her cry, anon?

>>138596558
Or they got fucked up in the Calamity war.

>>138596472
No complaints here
>>138596479
Edmonton is the capital of Alberta, the most resource rich province in one of the most resource rich countries in the world

>Guilty childrens
Reckoning day fucking when?

>Re-watch previous episode
>"Ein most represents the former gjallarhorn"

The old Gjallarhorn was a bunch of retards out for misguided revenge?

>>138596479
It's the capital city of the largest oil-producing industry in Canada and one of the major sites of oil-sand business. It's a big deal to the Canadian economy, but Alberta's oil production is a drop in the water compared to the US, Russian, OPEC or literally any other major player in the market so it's not like that matters.

They probably just wanted a city that was real but irrelevant enough that nobody'd ever heard of it. Edmonton is the hipster's Chicago. Plus the population density in the prairies are so low that they can play around the whole "no magical drive systems in urban areas" thing without much issue.

Worth noting that most of the backgrounds from the past 2 episodes are tracings of famous canadian paintings. Maybe the director is an artfag and that influenced their decision.

Is it normal to just hate everyone in this show?

>>138587210
Good riddance.
>>138588016
Pretty much this. I love how they let these scenes drag on, too, as if this combined with those flashbacks, and McGillis's monologue would garner any sort of sympathy for her.

>>138588057
>fairness nonsense on the battlefield

Mikazuki did to her the same thing he did to Crank at the beginning of the series. While they brandished bullshit like pride, honor, and fairness Mikazuki shut both of them down with a good dose of the harsh realities of war. Merrybit's sudden reversal of attitude against fighting is really getting annoying now.

>>138596694
He represents loyalty

>>138596583
It looks almost like a god damned TSF at this point

>>138596694

Sounds like tekkadan.

>>138594957
Tekkadan are the good guys though. They've literally done nothing wrong so far unless you count killing the people trying to kill you as "wrong". If Tekkadan wins people in mars get a chance for a better life and Earth gets democracy and true freedom. If Gjallarhorn wins everybody gets 300 more years of corrupt autocratic bureaucracy.

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>>138596399
???

>>138596722
>While they brandished bullshit like pride, honor, and fairness Mikazuki shut both of them down with a good dose of the harsh realities of war.

They both tried to do an "Honorable" duel after a failed attack on Tekkadan with superior numbers as well.

>Merrybit's sudden reversal of attitude against fighting is really getting annoying now.

Seems to not be against fighting so much as the fact that they seem to be suicidal about it and dragging the young kids into it as well.

Not like the kids have any other future or choice though. They joined up with a mercenary group that was using kids as cannon fodder before the series even started and Mars is a shit hole without a crap job market.

>>138596758
until Mars ends up being like Iraq and "freeing" them just makes the entire situation a hundred times worse.

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>>138593666
>He's not that crazy

>>138596581
The reason it feels like nothing has happened is because, until very recently, the characters themselves haven't changed at all. They were pretty boring to begin with.

>>138593666
But he is crazy

>>138596754
POTTERY

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>>138587210
Even in death I still serve.

>>138596877
Mars is already like Iraq. ISISdan is fighting for their freedom, their beliefs and for the formation of a Marsist State. Just be thankful they let women move in their company without full-body coverings.

>>138596901
>>138596943
I bet you were the retards spouting the autistic meme before too.

You think Ein can survive disconnected from the MS?

>>138596729
Blind loyalty more like it.
>Coral was corrupt and out for money and power
>Orlis was an ass who ignored the mission objective to run around having fun shooting at Mobile Workers who literally can't hurt him.
>Crank was an okay guy but was too soft and deluded into thinking he could have a fair duel against a group of mercenaries his group had just attacked a short time ago.

Crank was an okay dude, but his other leaders were shit.

>>138596754
Around Martians never relax.

>>138596758
Do you actually think that Mcgillis helping Tekkadan is because he wants to remove corruption and not because he wants more power?

Clearly the best people for determining the future of Mars is a girl that didn't know people die during war and a bunch of murderous children. There's literally no way anything could possibly go wrong in Mars future with them at the helm.

I love how, in these last 23 episodes, literally the only thing Mika did at all that was relevant was kill people. His only purpose in all of this is to be a mentally unstable killer, barely capable of thinking on his own.

I'm really starting to think that he won't make it out of this shit alive and may possibly even end up being killed by one of his friends because his senseless, unreasonable behavior went overboard and he'd end up destroying all they were fighting for.

>>138595579
I will be so happy when Ein shows up, and Mikazuki instantly kicks his ass.

Ein dies, achieving nothing. He doesn't even get to scratch one of the Tekkadan kids.

>>138597078
Orga will put him down. Death was " that place"

>>138597034

He has no fucking legs any more. The diagram even proves this, i really don't think he can.

>>138596976
So what's Ein supposed to do when he isn't fighting? Does that thing have wi-fi or something?

>>138597034
Not unless there's also some kind of separate portable life support machine and I doubt they have those.

>>138597052

Mikazuki pegs Crank as a killer of children though. Crank clearly never lifted so much a finger until the Gundam made it's big entrance.

>>138597069
I think that he genuinely wants to remove corruption but he sees everyone as disposable pawns, he doesn't care about tekkadan as much as he finds them useful.

>>138597194
AV system means the MS is his body. He is transhuman now

>>138597225
what pronouns does he use?

Maybe Okada's writing has some magic to it after all to get so many people so invested on the characters and politics of a fucking mecha anime. 3 threads in a single day get out of here with that shit

>>138597078
>>138597078

There is legitimately no other Gundam protagonist who deserves death harder than Mikazuki at this point.

The worst thing Kira ever did was frustrate people by disabling their MS denying them of fighting one another, never indiscriminately killing them.

>>138597165
Just send him to Big Mc.Nighuge's leg guy.

>23 eps in
>want to drop it
waste of time this show

>>138597225
His life might be extendable as long as the MS can be maintained, Ochiai would be proud.

Why does everyone think Mika was lying about what Biscuit said on the beach? I went back and rewatched both scenes.

They're both the same right up to the point in the first one where Biscuit says "I..." and then the scene cuts off and we don't see the rest.

When Mika is talking to Orga about it later we are shown the rest of the scene with "I won't quit".

Where are people getting the lying thing from? Mika doesn't seem creative enough for that.

>>138597284

>Gundam show late season actually becomes quite interesting

News flash, this has happened 17 times before.

>>138597194
>So what's Ein supposed to do when he isn't fighting? Does that thing have wi-fi or something?
He could easily just get a metal skeleton. Remember XCOM's Mek Troopers? Same shit.

>>138597302

But this is one of the best Gundam series ever made, dude.

>>138597264
xhir

>>138597284
It's a Gundam show.

>>138597357
That's not how you spell Turn A

You know overall this was a fun episode but holy shit anyone else facepalm hard when fucking Lafter OF ALL PEOPLE IN THIS SHOW was shocked and disgusted by Mika's actions? Is this not the woman who was literally excited to take out a ship full of fucking kids and who was licking her lips in her fight against Mika?

I can understand literally everyone else but fucking her.

>>138597327
He still has an organic component. It rots or fails and he still dies.

>>138597357
That's because the overwhelming majority of gundam series are abject trash. This one just happens to be abject trash with occasionally decent battles.

>>138597355
I assume that isn't an option due to needing a room full of life support systems to keep him alive. It all fits in an MS, but not necessarily in prosthetic limbs.

>>138592477

We're supposed to be unnerved by the direction Tekkadan is moving in. Hence why they bothered showing a bunch of characters going "gross" during the fight.

>>138597451
>This one just happens to be abject trash with occasionally decent battles.
Dude if that's what you're going for greco did it a thousand times better and I dropped that shit. Seriously, the battle animation for IBO is fucking horrid, the inbewteens look like vomit, and the choreography is both stiff and limp at the same time. If you're watching gundam for the fights, you watch Unicorn and greco.

>>138597477
A colostomy bag and artificial heart go a long way. Dialysis backpack too maybe.

>>138597424

>taking that shitty character seriously

Hint, her name gives you instructions on what to do when she spouts her stupid shit.

Maybe the twist is the souls of the the previous pilots of gundams exist inside the twin ahab reactor. Its gravitic field binds the conciousness using the AV system.

>Ein is a machine
The fujos must be devastated.

>>138597351
>Where are people getting the lying thing from? Mika doesn't seem creative enough for that.

I don't know where they are getting the lying from, but Mika isn't as stupid as others here would have you believe.

>>138597424
She fought because she had fun, didn't she? Mika, on the other hand, was fighting to kill.

>>138588016
Okadafags are a weird bunch.

>>138593501
She was a less good or developed Haman Karn, if you liked her go watch Z and ZZ for a better Carta in every way

>>138597424
Fucking this.

Merrybit, as annoying as fuck as it was - it's understandable for her to be shocked I suppose but Lafter? Wow.

>>138597424

Her reaction seemed to be more about how gruesome one of the deaths was than the morality of the act itself.

>>138597633
Well now Lafter knows what fighting is really all about. It's not fucking fun and games.

>>138597624
I said "not creative", no "smart/intelligent".

Mika is very direct about things. Just look at his fighting style. He chose a big mace and club he could just smash things with as he preferred weapon over ones that require technique.

>>138592477
I don't see why killing the prideful officer of the world-controlling organization who personally killed their friend makes them awkward to sympathise

>>138596694
>>138596754
So the current situation is that GHorn is corrupt, and Macky wants to restore its "values" (that he sees in Ein) by changing it from the inside. To do this, he will kill off his two friends as martyrs, which will also put his family into a higher position. He also wants to help Tekkadan, indirectly helping Mars get its independence.

Meanwhile, Ein wants to exact revenge on Tekkadan for killing his superior officer (who disobeyed the orders of his own corrupt superiors). That being said, Crank probably wouldn't want Ein to do this, and even go as far as to alienate himself even further from his comrades by becoming a fucking Mobile Suit. At the same time, Tekkadan has become blind with vengeance and wants to destroy anything in their way to complete their mission for the sake of Biscuit.

In the grand scheme of things, both Tekkadan and the McGillis trio are heroes fighting for justice, but it doesn't seem like there is a place for Tekkadan after this is over. I don't think Okada has the balls to kill them off unfortunately.

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>>138588154
>she was a great friend
Oh,no!What kind of monster would do something like this!

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>>138597424
I thought that she was disgusted at the hamburger meat that Mika was making and not the fight itself.

>>138597815
My hope for this show is that Mika will turn into a rabid dog that needs to be put down, with Tekkadan turning into some sort of personal guards for Kudelia.

>>138595676
He was the train conductor, he probably watched from the cabin.

>>138597815
>which will also put his family into a higher position.

Actually based on the scene with his father, he needs those two alive to reach his higher position through connections. Them dying actually weakens his future.

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>>138597302
Why? I can see how you would have wanted to drop it like 5-10 episodes ago, but now that everything is pointing to Mika going out of control the show has the potential to end up pretty great.

I hope he ends up killing Kudelia and Orga's girlfriend somehow.

>>138597881

OF rats and men

Carta-sama ;_;

Don't worry based Ein will kill them all with fish

>>138597870
She was. It was gross ad she called it gross.

The Turbines stance is that they don't exactly approve of Tekkadan's revenge thing but they understand where they're coming from with it and will just work to make sure they don't all die from it.

Meribit works for Teiwaz, not the Turbines directly.

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Doesn't Ein get bored in the Robot all day now.

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>>138597151
>Hey Mika, here is the map to that place

>>138598045
its got video games and every anime ever, pre-installed

>>138597671
I'm not a fan of Haman but to compare Carta to her is ridiculous, they are female villains in a Gundam show and that's where the similarities end, Carta is more like a female, less funny version of Mashymre

She'll return in S2 as Ms. Bushido.

>>138598045

ILL WILL BECOME A CYBER NEWTYPE


Jerid to Iron Mask clone nice

>>138593271
That QUALITY.

>>138598045
He runs masturbatory simulations against tekkadan all day. Every once in a while they see the MS pelvis twitch and know that someone has to go up and change the condom again.

>>138593440

BASED X

BASED RECO

>>138587210
>OP actually liked Carta
>OP thought Carta was a good character
>OP thought Carta dying was sad
Watch better gundam.

>>138598307
Fuck off attention whore.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XmDYJBZZdc

Carta-sama ;_;7

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>>138598307

>watch better gundam

Is this a joke? IBO is the standard gundam series always tried to reach but never could.

>>138598174
He doesn't have a dick.

>>138597404
>best
>Turn A
You're new or a UC fan, I can tell

Carta-sama ;_;7

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>>138598375

ALL FOR REVENGE

Awesome episode, really love how McGillis is pulling the strings here

>>138598404
To preserve his genetics to rebuild the future Gjallarhorn with the loyalty of the old McGillis ordered his testicles be saved for breeding purposes.

>>138598401
but it's an ad for gunpla

f

>>138598401
not being a gunpla ad for once?

>>138598531
And this is why Gundam will always be low tier and Macross will be the superior mecha franchise.

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>>138598531

Gunpla is the best thing in this god damn series

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>>138589292

Underrated post

>>138598468
Mika = BB
Gaelio = Ocelot
Look forward to season two.

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What did she mean by this ?

>>138598438
There will be doujins of her gangbanged by her blonde squad, right? I just want to see her ugly face getting plastered with sticky semen.