Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1459

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I think swagger's a confidence. It's a confidence of you knowing that you work hard for your success. A lot of times, you can't develop swagger if you haven't worked hard to succeed.

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>he can't handwrite

>>138553371
>implying writing isn't the easiest thing in the world

>>138553425
Exactly. No reason not to learn it.
>b-but it's useless!
Only if you're content with never being truly fluent.

実は、僕は童貞です。

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>>138552935
>>138553109

>>138553425
That just makes it funnier

>>138553500
I learned how to write, but I wouldn't really recommend it unless they're personally interested in it because of the time commitment.

>>138553371
I went through RTK but I couldn't be bothered to remember the order of kanji when learning words so I would probably end up writing 夫丈大for 大丈夫

How many reps have you done today? No excuses.

I am at 80, but I think I will add an extra 20.

>>138553598
Same as I do every day

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>>138553536

>>138553585
Does RTK turn people into retards or do retards just like to do RTK?

>>138553540
Was it ever in the CoR? I'm pretty sure it's one of the few things the old pastebin has that the CoR/guide doesn't. If it's not in the CoR someone can just re-upload it to mega and submit it.

>>138553572
>time commitment
Writing greatly improves retention, so I would say it's worth it in the long run. Plus you'll be able to, y'know, write in Japanese.

>>138553598
Close to a thousand when everything's put together.

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中田氏最高っす

>>138553638
Who knows.
My example was a bad example since 大 is pretty obvious... I just got lazy I guess and I find things work out as I learn more words and realize which kanji is represent what.

>>138553598
I meant 80 new words, in reps, it's 527 so far (oops)

>>138553724
What I don't get is how you can spend time doing fucking RTK and still not be able to distinguish what kanji means what in a compound.

>>138553638
No, that's what happens when people do RTK1/3 and then don't pay attention to readings each kanji has at all when learning vocab. Not sure how you'd mix the readings up like that.

>>138553755
Are you saying I should look at the word and think "big, length, husband"?
Whatever; it all cleared up once I learned the word 夫婦.

>>138553536
>僕

>>138553598
250/521 so far.

>>138553598
252. I shitposted while doing them, so it took 61 minutes.

>>138553598
This >>138553670
Majority of it is vocab, but there some kanji production and a handful of DoJG reviews mixed in there too.

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Whew
Can't wait for 500+ reviews on work days

日本語を練習したい。
日本語だけで応えて、名無しさんたち

>>138554270
それはペンです。

>>138554344
誰かのペンか知っているか

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>>138554244
Dude, you're super slow.

>>138554447
Damn, dude. What kind of cards do you do?
I'm even slower than the guy you're quoting. :(
I need to work harder. 頑張ります

>>138554429
それは私のです

>>138554520
Those are all from 'Japanese Core 2k/6k Optimized'.

>>138554447
I don't have shit retention though.

>>138554602
I'm pretty trigger happy when it comes to failing cards that I get slightly wrong or take too long, so it's not as bad as it looks. There's nothing less fun than sitting there for ages trying to remember a card.

>>138554583
いいな。僕は羨ましいですよ。

>>138554589
I am not familiar with that deck; are the cards japanese word on the front -> english definition and example sentence on the back?

>>138554774
うん、このペンはいいですね。

>>138554447
>>138554244
>i need to get burnout from a billion reviews every day because fuck you
This is why I almost exclusively read VNs for vocab. For me, the grammar early on has been the only stressful and dull experience. If I woke up to a 500+ review count, I'd kill myself. Or delete the deck.

Seems like writing down kanjis has fucked with my brain, when I look down on my piece of paper to right some kanji-tachi, sometimes i just get an urge to shake my head/eyes slightly. Don't know how to properly explain it, has anyone here experienced anything similar?

おはよう /a/djt/

>>138554774
>羨ましい
Shit, I messed that up -- I should have said:
ペンが羨ましいです, right?

>>138554962
おはようお兄ちゃん

>>138554892
Burnout. Don't review your writing while doing spaced repetition and don't write cards you've already written in that day.

>>138554729
If it takes me a while to remember I use hard, and if I fail it later then that's how it is. A few more seconds isn't "ages", even though it can pile up. But I get distracted often, so I think the time spent seems longer than it actually is.
For "slightly wrong", I sometimes just fail it too, but it depends on how important the nuance is, and also whether I forget the actual meaning or just the translation.

I'm sure your way works fine, but I prefer taking longer to remember some words since I think it can help process them better.

>>138555010
Were you trying to say that you were envious?

>>138555025
That's definitely not burnout and I don't write down the kanjis while I'm doing anki or kanjis that I've written previously.

>>138554962
おはよう、名無しくん！

>>138555084
Yes... like he has a nice pen and I wish I had that pen.

Then I looked up the word on wwwjdic and the example sentence makes me believe my first sentence was backwards.
>(1) あなたがとても羨ましい。 I envy you so much

>>138555146
In that sentence the subject is implied. You could put a 私は in front and have essentially the same meaning. If you say 私はペンが羨ましいです then you are saying I am envious of the pen.

>>138555207
i.e. not envious of you because of your pen, but envious of the pen itself.

>>138555261
...which wouldn't make sense, right?
Oh! So in the example sentence, the 私は is implied.
私はあなたがとても羨ましい
Therefore, my first sentence was correct...

ありがとう、名無しさま

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>>138553632

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俺は九つ長い刀が欲しいぜ。刀と剣術のマスターだぞ。九つ刀は同時に戦闘できるよ。１斬撃して、てめえは死体なるぞ！これ写真は俺だ。

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>>138555105
Burnout referring to your eyes, not your brain. Proper word for it is eye strain? I guess it could be your brain/mind also being tired, making it hard for your eyes to focus?

Either way, fucking take a break cuz some part of you is tired man.

Is there any actual reason to learn handwriting/stroke order? No memes please

>>138556217
Personal preference and many people here (including me) found out that it improves retention.

>>138556217
If you want to write or want better retention

>>138556217
手紙をするの作る？
Watch out, my sentence probably isn't grammatically correct. :)

>>138556260
>many people here (including me) found out that it improves retention.
Placebo for dummies.

>>138556217
for me it's because I want to write them
I have no idea if it helps with recognition or not, it takes more time to study them though

>>138556277
手紙を書くとか

>>138556435
あぁ。ありがとう！
「手紙を作る事」もいいですか

>>138556382
maybe you're right, but who cares. at least it works

>>138549799
Hey not sure if you're still here but I had a good laugh when I read your comment. This game is completely far off from what you think it is.

>>138556277
>>138556435
手紙を書く人は日本語を習うことができない

>>138555756
Great post.

>>138556608
People who write letters can't learn Japanese?
分かりません

>>138553540

bumping this

Anyone have the よつばと Anki deck?

>>138556530
作るってどんな意味ですか
紙を？

>>138556608
お前は何もできないらしいな

>>138553346
gokkun~

>>138556530
Are you a craftsman or something?

>>138556777
>>138556758
Haha, I get it now -- thank you!

>>138556758
>お前は何もできないらしいな
手紙を書かないならいいじゃん
俺はつねに二次元の女でオナるから手紙を書けない

>>138556922
>俺はつねに二次元の女でオナるから手紙を書けない
寂しいそうです

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Can someone help translate this?
ニコん一J一

>>138557058

you're right, i've never been to /g/ and that's still fucking triggering me. the braces alone man.

>>138557058
JKのマンコ？

>>138556922
お前の悲しい人生なんて別にどうでもいいよ

中出しの気持ちは習いたい

>>138557245
手伝えようかな

>>138556637
同もアリガトゴザイマスですアノン様。

>>138557245
さっき、中出したよ
ジュースボトルの中に
後、飲んだ

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>>138557245
>>138557275
>visiting /djt/ for a while now
>started watching JAV that feature 中出し
>utterly obsessed with it now
th-thanks guys

I have to pass n1 this year and get to glorious nippon to fulfill my ultimate purpose. will i make it?

also JAV is pretty bad for learning, there's hardly any dialogue at all.

I prefer BUKKAKE

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>tfw you're not good enough at this yet to talk about anal

>>138557422
どうだった？
美味しかった？

>tfw finally learned all the roumajis, hiraganas and katakanas
I can learn Japanese!

>>138558033
you are so original oh my god look at her butt xd

>>138558033
If you didn't learn that they are called roumanjis and katanakanas I'm afraid you can't learn Nihonjingo.

>>138558033
same
tfw fluent in nihongo (japanese for you pathetic EOPs)

>>138558118
Are you already fluid in Nippongo? Wtf m8... よろしくいますです。

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>>138558033
>>138558118

あったかいんだからぁ

日本語を出来ると日本人になるはほんとうか?

>>138558170
わたしもうよろちくなるとですある。

>>138558426
瞳の中にある私の大きな野望！

>>138558536
はい！おぱいはあたしがでわあるです。なるほとねえ。。。。。。。。かんさいべんですか。。。。。。。

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がんばるぞい

http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E5%A4%A7%E5%A5%BD%E8%A9%95

大好評
Why isn't this in daijirin, kenkyusha, daijiten, edict, etc?

>>138558701
大・好評

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Japanese is literally impossible. You will die before you run out of words.

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>>138559038
How many cards are in your deck?

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Can anon write the name of the song selected in pink? I need to tag the mp3 I just recorded.

>>138559093
It says so right below.

What's a good "secondary" vocabulary study method to use alongside Anki? thing about Anki is I don't like messing with custom study and possibly screwing up the retention system it has going on, so I tend to stop when it tells me to. What's another top recommended method to gain vocabulary? I really need to learn more words so I'm not rushing to the dictionary nonstop when translating.

>>138559122
In Japnese?
ルナヴェールの丘

>>138559207
>when translating
Oh boy.

>>138559308
You know what I mean you fuck, when reading things.

>>138559302
>helping someone who is obviously not even learning Japanese

>>138559138
That's the total number of new cards added in that month. Unless you mean you've been mining for the deck for exactly 29 days.

>>138559392
If you're so early that reading amounts to translating you should just stick with anki for now.

>>138559401
1705, but close enough

>>138559421
But it feels too slow, I spend like 4 hours doing nothing I could spend gaining more vocabulary practice.

Has anyone here learned Korean? How does it compare to Japanese?

Anyone know a resource for scripts of Japanese movies? Haven't been able to find anything.

>>138559458
Watch anime you faggot

>>138559302
Yes, thank you.

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>>138558762
......

oh.


I can't learn Japanese.

>>138559458
You could spend those four hours reading about linguistics.

>>138559434
So you've been mining for 1 month. The point I was going to drive (hence the question) was that once you pass 10k cards the mining really drops off quite significantly unless you intentionally seek challenging material (which is arguable in terms of relevance in terms of foreign language learning, i.e. at some point you'll be learning words that natives themselves don't know which I personally consider to be a paradigm shift from foreign language learning to... something else). In that sense, there's no need for despair. Rather than thinking, "I mined 300 words today FML", think "I will inevitably mine 10,000 words"

>>138559207
NHK easy news

Write all the words you're unfamiliar on a seperate reference sheet and read the article a few times referring to that.

Also really helps to write your definitions in Japanese; eventually we're trying to approach Japanese as a language, not a Japanese -> English tool

Side note, does anyone have a bible for grammar? Or a ultimate spell checker that explains why the grammar's wrong?

>>138559597
that's awfully broad, what exactly did you have in mind?

>>138559576
>I want to learn stroke order when others say it's useless
Are there really people who believe this? I thought it was just a meme.

>>138559796
Steve's videos.

>>138559796
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_linguistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_linguistics
Pick one.

https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/summary/kotoba/kotobax3/pdf/111.pdf
Nips sperging on the use of 中 in 発売中.

>>138559207
Read books.

>>138559808
I'm sure everyone agrees that improper stroke order will make your writing look autistic as fuck. The argument is generally over whether writing is even worth learning in the first place.

>>138559897
>I'm sure everyone agrees that improper stroke order will make your writing look autistic as fuck. The argument is generally over whether writing is even worth learning in the first place.
Oh, right. Well, personally, I took the time to learn it and found it worthwhile, but I wouldn't say it's mandatory.

俺のあそこを踏んでくださーい

>許す
>訳す
WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE??!

>>138559485
...anyone?

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r8 pls

>>138560205
韓国人は最低なクズでおる
妾達には興味がないのじゃ

>>138559308
>>138559421

You translated things in your head when you started, too, you dumb autist. It's an inevitability when you're taking what you know about human communication from your native language and applying it to the new one. This same skill is why we don't take 18+ years to reach an adult's level of understanding of a new tongue, like a native child with no such preexisting knowledge does.

How do you make the transition from translating in your head to cutting out the middle man? By getting used to the new language enough that you don't need to consciously think about sentence organization and what it means. Do you do this in anki or by reading about linguistics? No, that's retarded. The only way to surpass the point where you need your own language as a middle man is to consume the new language in its native environment.

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>4 episodes left
>getting all dramatic
Oh shit, here comes the climax of 200 episodes

>>138560374
Found the argumentative autist

>>138560331
Calm down, Ken. What does that have to do with the language?

What's better than a dead nigger?

A living black person.

>>138560473

Stop giving newcomers bad advice.

>>138560607
How is "Anki is the only thing that can currently help you if it's a struggle to read" bad advice?

>>138560473
He's being unnecessarily insulting (likely due to being an autist), but he's right this time. And at least he's talking about Japanese.

You already have a system for describing the concepts of the world -- your native language. Why would you abandon that? You'd be reduced to learning like a baby does.

>>138560644

Because nothing short of lots of reading and listening will get you over the "translating in your head" hill. That's mostly a symptom of not having an intuitive grasp on grammar, which is built via exposure to native material.

>>138560686
Converting words in japanese to words in english is not the same thing as consciously translating the entire sentence.

>>138560718
He asked about vocabulary study very specifically described struggling with not knowing words. I think focusing on that is very fair.

>>138560331
>>138560597
the "japan and korea hate each other thing is a meme"
my japanese wife's bull is korean

>>138560597
韓国文化は悪い冗談に過ぎぬのじゃ
じゃから、妾達が韓国語を勉強する理由がおらぬ

>>138560758

I'll admit that I just saw the typical "translating" posts and made assumptions about what preceded it.

Yeah, in this case, he just needs to do anki. He should still suck it up and read, too. I know that it's a chore, but if learning Japanese were always easy and fun and only took a week to learn, everybody on /a/ would know it.

>>138560205
I haven't spent any time trying to learn Korean, but as I understand it its grammar is very similar to Japanese and it has a much simpler writing system which, once you know it, you can read any Korean sentence(key word: read, nothing about understanding).

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>that one guy who thinks japanese and chinese are on the same difficulty range for learning
>'if you know japanese learning chinese will be a lot easier!'
>he actually believes this

>>138561443
But it will be a lot easier because you know many Kanji by then

>>138561443
W-what? This is not real, right?

>Average for days studied: 605.6 reviews/day
post'm

>>138561443
This isn't standard chinese.

>>138561443

Chinese is generally considered easier than Japanese for native English speakers.

Also >>138561488

If you know Japanese, you're 75% done with the biggest hurdle to learning Chinese.

>>138560290
>skipped days
>average of 100 reviews
full honesty, you won't learn Japanese like this, 2/10

>>138561596
But I'm going fine senpai

>>138561443
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vExjnn_3ep4
what the actual fuck

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>been learning the radicals for over 3 months on anki
>feel significantly less motivated to keep doing the radical reps every day now

Is this really going to help me understand Kanji a little easier/faster? I feel like I fell into a ruse here.

>>138561776
You've been memed on.
The best method is doing core2k/6k and writing each new kanji 50 times.

>>138561776
Learning radicals is fairly important but don't just do that for three months, what the fuck.

>>>138561776
The most efficient course to become fluent in Japanese with about 1 year per step:
1. University classes (Japanese 101/102)
2. Genki
3. Rosetta Stone (good for immersion!)
4. Memorize radicals
5. Do RTK
6. WaniKani
7. Read Tae Kim and start core10k after deleting the first 6000 cards (which you should know after completing WaniKani)
8. Congratulations! You are fluent in Japanese.

Reminder that you cannot learn Japanese unless you sit in seiza at all times and rigidly follow the way of the bushido

>>138561990
You can replace this with 5 years of anime and reach fluency faster

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>>138561893
Well, I'm a slow learner, unlike you.
I like to spend time learning what each radical means, what alternate writings they have, the stroke order (as i've heard that learning the strokes of radicals make writing kanji a lot easier and less time consuming).. I just assumed 3 months is an appropriate amount of time for learning about radicals, but I still feel obligated enough to keep doing the reps anyway to keep my perfect day record.

Should I start skipping days now that I've already covered it?

>>138562194
>unlike you
Don't make assumptions fuckboy

>>138553572
>time commitment.
If you expect anyone with half a brain to find that remotely convincing, 4chan of all places isn't a valid context to promote such an appeal. You don't buy it so why should we? Time clearly isn't an issue for those able to read this discussion.

Help a nigger out. The 2nd last sentence is giving me trouble.

昭和レトロのうどん・そば自販機が現役で稼働し、ＮＨＫのドキュメント番組「ドキュメント７２時間」の舞台にもなった秋田港近くの船舶食料商「佐原商店」（秋田市土崎港西）が今月いっぱいで閉店することが分かった。自販機も撤去される。

"The Showa Era retro Udon/Soba Vending machine providing company "船舶食料商"near Akida Port, which even appeared on NHK's Document 72 Hours, is いっぱい closing this month. The vending machine is being removed.

How does いっぱい fit into this?

>>138554962
おはこなた

>>138562194
Before dropping them in Anki, make sure you can write them without looking them up, and to make sure you don't forget them you can give them little names as mnemonics. For example I call the 土 radical "jesus cross". It helps remember it and makes it much easier to write kanji-tachi! Try it out and let me know how it goes!! With this method I have been able to learn 500 kanjis in only 16 months after I was done with the radicals.

>>138556217
Is there any actual reason to learn Japanese at all?

>>138562782
Fuck off. The guy was just asking for advice.

>>138562874
Yes, as introduction to mandarin.

>>138561990
>1 year per step
the fuck, a lot of people could do RTK+Tae Kim + 10k in 2 years

>>138562918
He was obviously shitposting. Just ignore it.

>>138562874
Reading niche untranslated pornographic manga and playing erotic games.

>>138562746
closing at the end of this month.

この「いっぱい」は時間・量が満ちているという意味。
例:タンクいっぱいのガソリン

>>138562746
They are closing when this month becomes "full"

They are closing at the end of the month

>>138563092
>>138563096
Thanks guys, feel free to make corrections as well, as I do not feel confident in my understanding.

皆さん、喧嘩しないでください！一緒に日本語会話を練習した方がいいですよ！

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>sailor moon ends with a phallic feather as the last picture
Now back to playing イブニクル

This ends the Sailor Moon blog, thank you for reading!

>>138560686
>He's being unnecessarily insulting
This isn't Tumblr, fuck off. That you found it insulting is fucking irrelevant. The point is that anon was fucking right and the idiot he responded to should think twice about shitposting next time.

/a/ isn't a goddamn childcare centre and when people say stupid shit, it will be taken to task without reservation. Your feelings are irrelevant. Get over yourself.

I appreciate your help DJT.

佐原商店は昭和３３年、佐原孝夫社長（７３）の母、千代さん（５３年死去）が創業。秋田港に入港する船に食料や衣類、日用品などを届けてきた。

"The store was established in the 33rd year of the Showa era, by the mother of the current president 佐原孝夫 (age 73), 千代さん (dead for 53 years). The store delivered cfood, clothing, daily use goods to incoming ships.

Fix my shit please.

４６年に今の場所に移転し、店頭に生麺のうどん・そば自販機を置いたところ、市民に人気となった。同型の自販機は５５年にかけて量産されたが製造中止となった。故障のたびに中古品を探し、現在で４代目だ。

The store moved to its current location 46 years into its operation, and placed the vending machine infront of the store, the (vending machine) became popular. Vending machines of the same model having been mass produced for 55 years have stopped production. Secondhand spare parts have been searched for 4 times thusfar.

>>138563452
>waaahhh stop posting objections I don't like

>>138562194
I don't know about slow learner, but I literally have 60% retention on vocab and the world's worst working memory, and I blasted through the radicals in a single week.

日本に行けば、妖怪と友達になれるかな

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv255700179
Dat compelling content

>>138561569
>Chinese is generally considered easier than Japanese for native English speakers.
Its grammar is very similar to English.

>>138562194
All that time which could've been used to read some more instead ...

>>138563452
What did you gain from posting this, besides a hard-on?

>>138563348
If you're going to blog you should do it about イブニクル. Where are you up to, which girls are your favourite, how have you divided your skills and abilities?

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Studying grammar is so much harder than just doing anki for like half an hour and calling it a day. Fuck my life. Morale is low.

>>138564433
Yes i feel the same. Going through reps is easy once you get into the habit.

Grammar and whatnot, you have to commit seriously and think.

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>>138564255
I'm up to chapter 3 and in カラーの森 right now. Haven't gotten the last party member yet but for now ラミアス is my favorite. There hasn't been much choice in skills so far since I've usually had enough points to get the strongest ones without much trouble. I'm expecting the skills to get a bit more interesting as I get further in the game

It's a pretty good game so far. Can't read most kanji as usual but texthooking into a browser window is great

>>138553336
Thank you.

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>>138563866
お前がかわいい女の子なら

>>138565714
source? id like to pick it up

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>>138565092
>ラミアス is my favorite
She's definitely great. I really like her in fights, I buffed her defence to ridiculously high with items and skills so she takes like no damage and used her to tank everything, it was great. この盾で守ってみせる！ I grew to really hate AoE enemies because of them just killing everyone else, lol. Being a lolicon I obviously preferred グリグラ and リッシュ in bed, though.
Speaking of that, make sure to empty your love gauge ASAP every time it fills. Otherwise you'll reach the end of the game with a bunch of scenes still unseen and have to farm to get them.

>>138565920
あやかしこ

>>138566170
>>138565092
Where would you rate it in terms of difficulty going by that 1-5 meme chart / in general?

>>138562194
If you want to read about radicals one by one, read it from the jp wiki, like this link https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B9%BF%E9%83%A8

Also you should research the most common radicals and concentrate on that first. Reading 214 articles and reading <100 articles takes a completely different amount of time.

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>>138565920

>>138566421
too fast, can you slow the gif down a bit?

>>138563866
いーむすアキ
の
モノノケアクメ
読んだでしょ

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>>138566284
I'd give it about a 2.9 or so. It's fairly easy, might contain some new fantasy vocab if you haven't read something set in a fantasy world before though.

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>>138566465

What JLPT level will I be at after I finish Core6k and Tae Kim?

>>138566170
I haven't used any of the stat increasing items yet since the game hasn't been exactly that difficult so far. Do you know if the items that tell you to sell them have any use later on? I'm currently holding on to atleast one copy of each different one I find
As for the love gauge, it just filled up and I don't think I can teleport back to the city I'm near to atleast yet so I didn't bother going back. I will teleport out before the next time they make me go fight more monsters

>>138566284
I'm bad at figuring out how hard something is since I don't really have trouble with anything but kanji readings but, it has some fantasy vocab and there was some vocab related to politics earlier.
Harder than moege with a school setting, easier than Baldr Sky

>>138566606
that's pretty cool, how do you get those buttons?

>>138566762
4chanX + ExLinks

>>138559207
>top recommended method to gain vocabulary
Read more. The more you read, the less you will need to consult dictionary but it will still happen every now and then.

I'd say a secondary method to gain vocab is by studying kanji one by one. For example, if you never see a word before, for example 公海 but if you know the meaning of 公 and 海, you don't have to check dictionary to get the approximate meaning. Contexts of what you're reading will also help you with understanding.

I never google what "mundane" means, or "castigate", or even the definition difference between "ravine, gorge, and canyon" but I get the approximate meaning.

Though you to remember that there are many exceptions in japanese. 当て字 words probably are not parseable from their 熟語.

>>138564433
I'm the other way around. I picked up grammar really easily compared to vocab/anki. I constantly lose motivation to do anki and just talk to people or read things. I can read most things now, but my vocabulary is shit so I am really dependent on a dictionary

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>tfw you saw a black man talking really good Japanese to his asian wife at a Japanese super market today

If he can learn nihongo then so can we.

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おはよう

おにいちゃん

えくれあがやすかったよ

いっしょにたべよ

>>138567393
omae, baka nano?

>>138567313
Ah, that was me. Sorry 'bout that.

>>138566722
You're going to retain none of what you read in Tae Kim if you don't start reading

>>138567446

I wanna believe, but you're probably just pulling my leg.

what market did you go to

>>138567468
I know, I've already started reading Yotsuba&.

>>138567162
Yeah same way here. I don't know why but I actually enjoy learning new grammar but for some reason I have a lot of trouble forcing myself to cram vocab like a lot of people in these threads do. I need to get in gear if I ever actually want to be any good at japanese

>>138567477
I'm fucking with you

>>138567575

You break my heart, chicken Alfredo.

>CAPTCHA: Select all the pasta
Nice coincidence.

>>138567621
I'm actually his wife

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>>138566743
If you haven't found the game difficult so far, I assume you're skipping the kaijuu fights? I recommend trying them, if you leave them too late they'll just be a breeze and boring. If you get them at the right level where they're a challenge but just doable, it's really really fun, and it forces you to actually think about skill/stat/item distributions instead of breezing through everything, which in turn makes the entire game more fun.
The "sell me" items have no use except being sold as far as I know. Same goes for items with strictly worse stats than ones you own.

https://www.youtube.com/user/bumnumba1
Rip namasensei
You had a good run.

>>138568050
This channel is undergoing maintenance and will return in a few months. I need to convert the country of my account. Currently Google is holding thousands of dollars from me because of this. When this issue is resolved, I will reskin the channel and all content will be unlocked.

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はんぶんこだよ

ごきげんよう

>>138567313
>he fell for the inferior black minds meme
Hard work is what matters most.

He could have been native japanese too

>>138568050
>>138568120
It's not like he was doing relevant shit anyway.

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>>138568448
ご機嫌麗しゅうございます

Do you guys do writing exercises?
Not for stroke order bullshit, to improve grammar.

>>138570128
Every once in a blue moon a do a lang8 entry if that's what you mean

can someone tell me how do you really feel the reading?

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書くっていっても

あのんくんは

にほんごは、縦書きでかくの？

それとも、横書きでかくの？

>>138567468
>You're going to retain none of what you read in Tae Kim
You could say the same about vocabulary, which is why so many people opt for flash cards and/or a spaced repetition system.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/242060646

Reviewing what you've studied is just as important as the study itself.

>>138570230
大麻

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>>138570230
FEEL

IT

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So when starting out with Anki and dealing with Kanji, am I supposed to put focus on just learning associating a meaning to a Kanji, or should I also be memorizing the onyomi/kunyomi of all of them ? I gotta say, I'm having a fairly easy time just knowing what a Kanji or two Kanji actually mean, but the actual pronunciation I fuck up 80% of the time and mix them up with other ones, kinda slowing me down a lot. Like if I saw "十日" while reading I'd know exactly what it says, but fucked if I'd know how to actually pronounce it. I have no interest in verbally speaking this btw, just want to be able to read my weeb games and manga

>>138570340
What use would it be to know what English words mean, but have no clue how to pronounce them?

>>138570413
Reading, writing.

>>138570340
I'd say stick to learning the Kanji, then watch a ton of subbed anime to learn pronunciation.

Do you guys use any supplements to enhance your learning ability? I use caffeine pills but I was wondering if anything else has worked for you.

>>138570413
I could still read them even if I can't pronounce them?

Do you guys read short novel/story daily?
I want to read 五分後に意外な結末 series but cant find any download link ;_;

>>138570448
I get high off of erotic audio, it motivated me to know one day I will understand it.

>>138570490
My English language teacher forced us to read at least 30 pages in English daily in high school (which I never really followed but whatever) so now I'm forcing myself to go through a minimum of 30 pages of Japanese per day.

>>138570340
>Like if I saw "十日" while reading I'd know exactly what it says, but fucked if I'd know how to actually pronounce it.
Okay, fair enough.
But what if you were watching your chinese cartoons and you heard some say とおか?
You'd have no idea what they're talking about.

>>138570605
>But what if you were watching your chinese cartoons

That's just it, I do not watch Anime at all. Yeah...I know, what am I doing here, right?

I'm only interested in foreign games and manga. That's why I stated at the end that I don't have an interest in speaking it since it makes no difference if I can comprehend it audibly. Reading is my only interest. Should that ever change obviously I'd have to be able to know pronunciations, if not I'd have no idea what was said out loud, like you stated.

Besides, while it makes no difference since it's not my thing, I'm sure pretty much every Japanese media has subtitles for deaf folk, I would assume.

>>138570340
>>138570441
Personally I think it's a bad idea to modulate learning like that.

Why not just learn all the skills you eventually want to acquire at the same time? That way they grow together and interconnectedly instead of as separate pieces that you stitch together.

For pronunciation it's more than enough for you to just make notice of what part of the pronunciation is coming from which kanji, and that's it. No need to think any deeper about it and it doesn't take up that much more effort but it'll be well worth it in the long run.

>>138570340
Langauge is verbal in nature and the brain associates sounds with concepts, meaning that if you keep a barrier between the concept and the sound when learning Japanese, it is only going to be harder for your brain to "feel" the language, as so many anons like to shit post about.

>>138570441
>Reading, writing.
Is going to be extremely limited if you do not form a proper inner monologue. Reading this post right now your brain is "reading" this and your vocal chords and "speaking" regions of your brain are activating. Humans aren't computers and we need some medium for the concepts to be transported, which is the spoken/verbal aspect of the language. Even Braille lanugages and sign language use this fundamental system of assigning a set of symbolic versions of phonetics to bumps and movements for the latter.

Without learning the Japanese version of what you are doing with English right now, your Japanese will forever be limited by the speed at which you can translate memorised chunks of Japanese you associate as units, into English words, then English concepts, then back into a Japanese structural framework.
For a computer analogy it is sort of like trying to play video games and rendering pixels without any onboard VRAM and having to use system RAM. It is stuttering, laggy mess because it is simply too slow and too far away from the processing unit. By introducing all of those extra steps when parsing Japanese, as I previously mentioned, you are forcing your brain in a way similar to the video card with no onboard VRAM: you aren't going to be able to keep up and the "rendering" speed is going to be forever limited no matter how strong your "processing unit", or amount of Japanese concept units -let's not call them words, words include a verbal aspect- you have memorised English.

TL;DR: it seems like an extremely elaborate means of ascribing English keywords to Japanese words and expecting to be able to reach an acceptable adult reading level. It won't

>>138570769
As someone who also only cares about VNs, you should learn pronunciations. There are a lot of times words will be written in hiragana, such as when a child is speaking (especially relevant if you like lolige), for effect, or simply out of arbitrary artistic choice. Furthermore there are sometimes scenes in VNs without subtitles, such as OPs or climactic narration, and not being able to understand these can ruin the entire game for you.

>>138570894
>langauge
Didn't read lol

>>138571058
Pardon?

>>138570769
Are you just starting? You know 十日 because 十 is a simple 指事文字 and 日 is also a simple 象形文字.

While it's true that most of japanese kanji are 形声文字 and you might be able to get away with what you're doing right now (debatably), but when you encountered 転注文字 you're going to get screwed. A simple 転注文字 is 楽 which can mean "music", "enjoy", and "comfy", all three pronounced differently.

>>138570806
>>138570894
>>138570983


I guess what confuses the shit out of me is that I know that 一 means "one" and 日 means "day" and if I see 一日 I know it's talking about one day or first day of the month. Alright, easy, no problem.

I could also easily memorize that "one" is pronounced "いち" and that "day" is pronounced ”ひ” So I would have assumed that "first day" would be "いちひ” but no, it's pronounced "ついたち"

Like how the fuck did we go from ichi and hi being joined to make tsuitachi. It just adds so much shit to memorize when I already know all their meanings and could decipher them in text with ease.

>>138570983
That's honestly the best point you could bring up, if they happen to use them in Hiragana and I only know the Kanji, I'd be fucked. This would be rare occurrences, but it can happen I agree. This is just so slow learning double vocabulary for every Kanji instead of just knowing the meaning.

>>138571223
>I guess what confuses the shit out of me is that I know that 一 means "one" and 日 means "day"
That's where you are mistaken.
一 is いち and 日 is ひ・か・にち.
Language evolves phonetically, not conceptually.

>>138570313
It's called reading and its way more fun and effective

>>138571356
>ideographs
>phonetically as opposed to conceptually
Wrong language lad.

>>138571218
>>138571356
>>138570894
So how do I do this effectively then. I reset the Anki deck fresh. I need to memorize the Kanji by appearance, and also how it's said in Hiragana? is there an effective way to remember them / any tick or pattern or anything with translating Kanji to Hiragana or is it just random memorization ?

>>138571634
You go from word to pronunciation and meaning. Both.

>>138571634
>So how do I do this effectively then.
>.
I need to memorize the Kanji by appearance, and also how it's said in Hiragana?
>?

>Kanji
>Hiragana
>is there an effective way
>is
>i

>>138571223
It goes both ways. Just as you can't always predict the pronunciation, you can't always predict the meaning of the words from their kanji.
So if oddball pronunciations throw you off, then you'll be thrown off by the choice of kanji in a lot of words too later on.

The point is, just cutting out pronunciation and learning only meanings (vocabulary meaning) isn't going to save you as much time as you think. Might as well learn pronunciation too.
and if your plan was actually just to learn "kanji meanings" then sure that would save you a ton of time, but you also won't be able to read shit.

How do I say I have social anxiety in japanese? Specifically whats the word for social anxiety? Is it 社会不安 or 社会不安障害

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>>138571777
わからないよ
http://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=social+anxiety

>>138571777
Just don't. When you use these terms to describe yourself it just goes to show that you're a weakling. You should say that you're bad around crowds or don't like going to places with a lot of people or even just joke about it but you leave a really bad impression when you tell people about your mental disorders.

If I'm not wrong, the 障害 part means 'disorder'.

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>>138571754
Alright, I guess I'll just try my best to learn it all then. I guess a part of me was just very resistant to having to learn two ways to say every single word; like ときどき and 時々. So I have to learn it in both Hiragana and by Kanji appearance. I just hope this doesn't slow me down immensely, I really need to up my vocabulary. I have grammar down really well but my vocabulary is abysmal.

>>138571883
「社会不安」が違い
「社会不安障害」が近い

>>138571634
>lthough there are general rules for when to use on'yomi and when to use kun'yomi, the language is littered with exceptions, and it is not always possible for even a native speaker to know how to read a character without prior knowledge (this is especially true for names, both of people and places); further, a given character may have multiple kun'yomi or on'yomi. When reading Japanese, one primarily recognizes words (multiple characters and okurigana) and their readings, rather than individual characters, and only guess readings of characters when trying to "sound out" an unrecognized word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji

>>138572034
You don't have to 'learn the hiragana appearance' because you'll learn the reading. From there you can transcribe it to hiragana.

>>138572076
Nah, it's definitely possible to guess the readings by intuition. There are very clear rules that are followed (sometimes).

>>138572034
>I just hope this doesn't slow me down immensely
What you are currently doing is slowing you down immensely, to the point that it is impossible to achieve reading comprehension with your method.

>>138572131
Okay. I'm just quoting wiki there.

>>138572101
>>138572145
>>138571754
Not that guy, but is there any way to incorporate Kanjidamage into my Anki core2k/6k learning somehow? The thing I like about the core deck is obvious, it's the Kanji I should be focusing on, but I memorize them just based off their appearance with no real logic to it other than blatant memorization. With Kanjidamage I learn them based off radicals and those goofy mnemonics that they use, they REALLY help me retain Kanji.

>>138572184
The wiki takes an overly pessimistic stance.

>without prior knowledge

Whoever wrote it really underestimates this. Native speakers and to some extent people who have lived in Japan for some time will no doubt have subconsciously recorded readings for names and locations in their brains. Together with their knowledge of kanji and radicals, it isn't that unbelievable that a native would be able to guess how to read a character.

Unless they've never seen the kanji in their life of course. But that would be extremely rare.

>>138572256
I've never used KD, but I've always focused on remembering only the meaning and reading when doing Core.

>>138572283
What do you mean only the meaning and reading? sorry it's like 5am and I'm ded. You have to memorize the Kanji itself just based on looks, don't you? that's what KD helps me with since it trivializes that with radicals.

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>not just using a jisho iframe for your back template

>>138572452
funny

>>138572407
When I look at 波打ち際 I remember that it means "water's edge" and it's pronounced なみうちぎわ

I'm probably confusing you since I didnt do KD

>>138572256
Personally I just memorize their appearance based off of pronunciation.

I know that doesn't sound like it works, but it does for me, really well.
For example say I see something like 制, I'll just look at it and say せい over and over for a while until the character 制 actually starts to look like a せい to me.
Then the next time I see it "せい" just pops into my head like magic. I guess everyone's different though, but this works much better for me than other mnemonics or radicals and stuff.

>>138572257
Sure whatever. I'm not taking side on the issue, I'm just giving answer to that one anon.

>>138572475
>When I look at 波打ち際 I remember that it means "water's edge"
Not confusing me, I do get what you mean, but how exactly do you remember that "波打ち際" specifically means what it means? just based on how it looks visually? or something else? any system in place you use or it's just visual memorization?

>>138572256
There is a KD deck somewhere I think. Or just make a new deck for KD one kanji after one kanji. Maybe it will help, I have nothing helpful to offer, sorry.

>>138572569
It's appreciated, thanks
>>138572491
I guess I could try it that way and see how it goes, just trying to make the Kanji task as easy as possible since I do have to learn so many, may as well do it as efficiently as possible

>>138572563
I can already recognise all the kanji in that so when I see 波 and that it's connected in a 4 word phrase I know that the word is 波打ち際 which I already know means "water's edge".

It's way more intuitive in this case because the words actually have meaning, but in other cases like ateji like 藻掻く usually I follow an order of:

1. Establish the connection that 藻掻くis read as もがく
2. Recall that もがく means 'struggle, writh'

Since the kanji itself do not give any hint to what the word as a whole means.

>>138572563
Not him, but once you know the kanji meanings better remembering words will be easier. So for 波打ち際、
>波 = waves
>打ち = runs up to, hits
>際 = edge, side
If you know these meanings, you can infer an overall meaning of "edge where it hits the waves" = edge of the water. And you can pick up kanji meanings simply through seeing them in different vocabulary words with similar meanings.

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「なみうちぎわ」は迷うことないよ
いつでも水の言葉だよ

水以外の意味がある「せとぎわ」と混乱しないでね

>>138572730
>I guess I could try it that way and see how it goes
Well then just to elaborate a bit, you don't have to think about any of the other pronunciations you've encountered for the word. When I'm trying to get it engrained into my memory I just focus on that one pronunciation for the current word and that's it.

Your subconscious still knows what word it's a part of and it just works. For me at least. It gave me a huge increase in retention rate, so I'd say if you don't notice it working right away then it's probably just not your style and you could look for a method that works better for you.

>>138572985
混乱が我が力の元だ

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>>138553598

What's the best physical book for words/kanji?

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おやすみなさい
おにいちゃん
いいゆめをみてね

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>>138553300
A few days ago I posted a modified verb conjugation deck that I was using
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/138295737/#138300640
and decided to make it a little more flexible and add some of the field data which was left out of the posted version. This is more of a proof of concept, if anything. The data set I am working with contains around 1000 dictionary form verbs, taken from the Core10k deck mostly, but that is still a WIP, not fit for generic usage.

A mega link, for archival purposes. The anon who looked at the other one may find this version a lot more practical.
https://mega.nz/#!KxVxBLgK!bhKQ2dzwsurtuvll4vSihnY91w-Md_rQZ-wLKZLqd3s
Pic related, last time I didn't provide one.

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にぃにぃ

あいたいよ

ことしも

はながさくよ

さみしいよ

>>138573498
Wanikani

>tfw your gay so cant learn grammar
>tfw your left handed so cant learn stroke order
>im also indian

might as well end myself tb.h

>>138574754
Is this useful? It seems pretty inefficient to spend time in Anki to learn such a comparatively small set of conjugation rules.

Daily reminder that this is the best Kanji deck:
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/798002504

>great order
>overloads you with actual useful information
>no memes
>2 different cards(recall(keyword) recognition(kanji))

>>138575230
just learn kanji mirrored

>>138573804
>>138575024
?????

>>138575230
>im also indian
This is what fucking happens. You allow some ESLs and then you end up with Indians literally shitting up the thread.

>>138575230
I'm also left handed and stroke order has never been a problem for me

>>138575349
>Is this useful?
It is for myself. It may be for others. Maybe not, who knows?
>It seems pretty inefficient to spend time in Anki to learn such a comparatively small set of conjugation rules.
Isn't that self refuting?
Anyway, is time really that much of an issue if we have enough of it to idle away on 4chan?

>>138575542
That looks pretty good but I prefer this one.
https://mega.nz/#!jx0TUSyJ!Rohq5IgT3JDRHtBN5e4VLXHzY8i9SniF9EhrlzHbVSI
It is rather similar to the shared deck.

>>138576292
>Isn't that self refuting?
Possibly. I mean that it seems backwards to study hundreds of individual words when the general rule is readily available. This looks more like a vocab deck. I guess it's wrong to imply that it's not useful, but I'd say its use streches beyond conjugation practice. Nevermind, actually.
>Anyway, is time really that much of an issue if we have enough of it to idle away on 4chan?
You can't spend enough time on 4chan.

>>138576583
>This looks more like a vocab deck
It's both, really. Though if you wanted to use it purely for conjugation drills you could, it would just mean rearranging the fields and not displaying others. I like my study material to be flexible in case I want to use it for a different purpose latter on.

>>138575932
Don't respond to attention whores.

>Just finished reading Tae Kim.
>Currently at 95% of Tae Kim deck (recog and prod).
feels good

>>138576803
Good stuff man.

>>138574754
Holy shit, thanks!
I've been looking for something like this for ages.

>>138576841
You'll probably want to alter the card template to suit your style, but it should be hard. If you have any problems, feel free to post them. Chances are I could have fucked something up on the final import without noticing.

>>138577024
shouldn't be hard*

Does anyone know where I can find a download for Japanese: the Spoken Language?

>>138577117
Have you tried Rutracker?

>>138577186
I haven't. Does it have it?

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>>138576841
You've been at it for ages and still have trouble with verb conjugations?

>>138577241
Do you need me to wipe your ass for you too?

>>138577353
Come on. Be a bitch and tell me.

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Are カンギ and オオクワ plant names or something? Tried googling them and the closest results were bugs of some sort, but according to the text they should be plants, unless I'm misunderstanding something.

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What Kanji is the first one?

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How long did it take you guys to reach the saturation point where you can learn Japanese from consuming media? When I watch anime or listen to podcasts I still can only hear words rather than sentences, I've been learning for like 3 months

>>138577590
It's 西 when used as a radical.

>>138577630
So it's only sloppy writing?

>>138577593
> I've been learning for like 3 months
m8, no matter what you do, learning a language takes years of hard work. 3 months is nothing, not even worth mentioning

>>138577659
It's not, that's how 西 looks like when written as a part of the Kanji itself. Look here for another example 要.

>>138577659
>>138577707
I mean nevermind yeah in that case I suppose it's sloppy handwriting as such Kanji doesn't exist.

>>138577593
You'll start learning from consuming media once you start reading.

>>138575542
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/798002504
>almost everything you see in Japanese or even the JLPT N1 test doesn't go beyond the jouyou list
Gives me a chuckle every time.

>>138577661
>years of hard work
I know that I just want to know "around" what time it took everyone to reach that point

>>138578028
>in Japanese or even the JLPT N1
>even the JLPT N1
>people thinking N1 is anything but ordinary Japanese

>>138578052
When you decide to start reading.
You don't have to go over some kind of threshold to be able to learn from consuming media.
A basic understanding of grammar (from Tae Kim's guide or elsewhere) is all you need and you can learn the rest from consuming media.

>>138570320
I would say it's really bad for reading by itself, you just can't be fucked to sit and read a wall of text in that state.
But there's a way to actually feel it.
Get some anime songs you like, google lyrics for them (in Japanese, of course) and read that shit as the song goes. Works like magic with 大麻, feels like kanji pop into your head.

Your retention will plummet to shit the next day after you use it, though.

>>138578275
DUDE WEED LMAO

>>138577593
Just listen to more podcasts and anime until you understand it.
If you just do that for hours every day, you'll be able to understand sooner or later.
Obviously without any subs.

>>138563843
>60% retention on vocab
I know that feel. I can't get higher than 60%.

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>just realized I forgot to do anki yesterday

>>138578441
>Having a gap in your graph
Might as well start over now.

>>138578441
You must be pretty carefree

Not finishing my reps for the day weighs constantly on my mind.

I used Core 2k/6k for about a month. Not only was it a massive waste of time, but it also was the worst part of my day all month. I read VNs on the side all that time, and I learned more from that than the 1800-ish vocab from Anki while also having fun. The only thing I don't regret studying using Anki is radicals.

TL;DR: Never ever using Anki for vocab again.

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>tfw made two Japanese friends from playing Puyo Puyo Tetris online today and exchanged messages with them where I apologized profusely for my 下手な日本語
I'm only a couple of months in and it's already starting to culminate into something. This is fun!

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>>138578495
I always do anki at work, so the weekend is dangerous for me.

>>138578494
I'd rather kill myself than doing this shitty deck again from the start.

>>138578565
Yeah, I get what you mean. I do most of my reps when commuting to and from work and when I'm on the shitter. There've been too many occasions where I've had to do my reps at two or three in the morning.

Does anyone know of an automatic way to reposition vocab cards based on my known kanji?
Or if not, how to reposition my entire vocab deck based on the order of my Kanji deck?, i.e. so that the related words would appear simultaneously.

I've been reading the monogatari series recently and I find that I still need to look up at least 1 word per every 2 pages or so, and I consider myself extremely high level. Then again I look up every word I'm not 100% sure about the reading of and there's a lot of ones that are read differently from what you'd expect from the onyomi.

>>138578949
>can't read a book written for teens
>extremely high level
this is bait, right?
no one gives a shit about you anyway

>>138579006
It's alright, you'll be as good as me someday if you keep practicing.

>>138579033
rekt

>>138578949
That sounds like an Indian guy saying he's extremely high level at English since he only have to look up words every 2 pages of Harry Potter.

>>138578949
勉強は、いつからか？