Chapter 92 is done.
sorry about the typo in the last panel, will fix it later
That's the pain.
>You get to know a series
>It has a small following
>The series is nice
>It gets popular
>Attracts people that shouldn't even know about it
>Stuff regarding it becomes awful due to the above
At least some things are so good that no matter how many shitposters come, people don't get disgusted.
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to trust the quads (>>138514444
) on this one
Not sure, probably what >>138514528 said. There's a bunch of Street Fighter art on his twitter too.
Anyone want to become Murata Assisstant?
It just sucks that the guy ended up fighting two monsters who are immune to electricity. But I guess it goes both ways in that he probably was also immune to shocks due to his insulation suit, so we would end up deciding this on who gets to physically beat the other side up better. Other heroes probably can't even get close without getting zapped.
I just want to break into his secret vault of porn
also steal the copys of OPM S2 they send him
i realize murata draws all day every day, but not everyone is murata.
makes me think of that "schedule of the average mangaka" chart
>Am glad Max won.
ONE clearly is aware of how certain side characters can get shit on too much. Max already lost to Vaccine Man and Sea King. This tournament is good to show that he isn't just a Yamcha and is actually a decent warrior. Much like how Licenceless Rider might lose hopeless fights, but he is actually as strong as Tanktop Tiger. You don't need to be Saitama to be strong.
>This tournament is good to show that he isn't just a Yamcha and is actually a decent warrior.
That's why it was off screened right? Also Yamcha shits on Max
>That's why it was off screened right?
You WANT Murata to draw Max hitting a girl? We both know that is just going to generate real hate mail. Mosquito Girl being slapped was already borderline.
>ONE clearly is aware of how certain side characters can get shit on too much
Of course they're getting shit on too much, they're shit.
Even the S Class with a few exceptions are shit.
>Even the S Class with a few exceptions are shit
This is so true. With the threats steadily growing stronger and more persistent thanks to Jesus-kun, humanity's most useful war asset will be the "merry" band of Tats, Bang, Garou, Saitama and
And A classes will pretty much never catch a break. Max and Sneck will get eliminated soon.
Them's fighting words
Dude broke out of the hospital when he was still wounded to go finish off Evil Natural Water, and got even more hurt in the process
That nigga is a real hero.
It's not that the heroes are shit, it is just that shit is getting worse. I mean, 13 years ago in Z-City, they thought that having a Wolf level threat every few months was a lot.
They would have loved have B or C class heroes.
Blast reavel was such a disappointment I've lost all hope in ONE, plus he's pretty much NotSaitama. The claw arc turned into shit, the whole Tatsumaki, Fubuki and Saitama situation has been dreadful and boring, and let's not forget about the filler he's forcing Murata to do.
What did you think Blast was going to be? I knew he was just going to be a new guy we never saw.
Also, for any of the old/new "theories" for Blast, they were just jokes, right? Like " Blast is Saitama" or "Blast is not real" etc., people really didn't believe any of that, right?
Read the page? This is pretty meta.
ONE was clearly aware that people are looking down on the A class heroes and thought Lin Lin would win.
And then, afterward, put down A class heroes again by showing that Tiger level monsters are capable of easily bringing down A class heroes on their own (like he did with Kombu).
Genji is facing off against 2 Tiger level monsters at the same time and has so far been dealing with them pretty well, so his fight will probably show off the strength off someone closer to the upper ranks of A class. If he manages to win or at least draw with the two, he'll show how much stronger A class is in the upper ranks. Else, how more evenly matched the Association is with the monsters.
When will you retards understand that this is about estimated threat level?
It says nothing about their actual strength.
All the aliens got was threat level dragon even though Boros could've killed everyone on the planet with a single attack.
That's the trouble with you guys. "Blast isn't real" or "Blast is Saitama" were always placeholder theories in my eyes. They were never that witty or well thought out. I'm surprised there are actually people disgruntled over them being not true. It wouldn't be that bad if they were, but they're the easy and predictable. Predictable isn't always bad, but it's a big con in this case.
It's much more interesting to have Blast real to see what could be done with a character like that rather than have him not be real just so that some random people on the internet can pat themselves on the back for a good job of "calling it".
Honestly, it's just ridiculous how disgruntled some people here are when nothing has even been done with Blast yet. He's only just been introduced and there's already one guy talking about how such a disappointment Blast is that he's lost "all hope".
When will retards like you understand that disaster levels and hero classes ARE power levels. They're just guidelines, but they DO show strength. Idiot.
No one even saw Boros.
Fuck, it's guys like you that ruin these discussions. You're too stupid to actually read into depth and immediately dismiss any form of measurement for strength. You went full retarded. God, I bet you're the type who goes on claiming that every monster who wins is actually a disaster level above what they're listed as. So stupid, but I guess that's all the reasoning ability your brain is capable of processing.
Mangareader is wrong. I don't know how they even got 95. This is only chapter 59. However, this is the web manga update 92, as listed on the website itself. The fact that, that site has it up to 95 is weird. If they were counting the extra chapters into the numbering, it would be beyond 95. So I have no idea how they came up with 95 chapters.
Yeah, shit's definitely getting worse but time waits for no one. Now to be relevant in the grand scheme of war you have to be either a walking plot device (Saitama), OP (Tats, Garou, Bang, possibly Blast, MK is admittedly a dark horse) or really damn ambitious (Garou again).
ONE is not giving the heroes a long training arc to catch up so 99% of them are pretty fucked. I'm sure even Tats will struggle a bit, that flag about certain people being able to resist her ESP tornado was really ominous.
Yeah, which confuses ME because there are ONLY 92 updates. And if they're counting the extra chapters, we're closer to above 100 chapters. So how could they only have 95 if they're counting every chapter? That's preposterous.
I think you might want to switch to another manga, buddy.
OPM has always displayed how stupid and useless any form of power level measurement is.
Threat levels are based on what the threat already did and what they predict it is capable of doing.
Not knowing about Boros is further proof about how useless those predictions are.
anyone read ONE's update? so much happening
>is a hero for hobby
>Tatsu wants Blast to blast her with his blaster
a new hero association is being formed by those fed up with the old one
If there's no title page with the chapter number, it's a continuation of the previous update. Last update was the beginning of chapter 59. This update is a continuation of that.
who's gonna be the first to get their own doujin?
Actually, it'll probably be none. Even Lily and Psyko who appears in a few doujins just ends up teased as hell and doesn't get any H screentime.
Doujin artists only makes Tats and Fubuki because they're more well known and were in the Anime.
A spin off focused on the blizzard group would be great.
> Lily as the MC
>OPM has got the perfect universe for spin off what's more.
THis. ONE can milk as much as he want since every heroes or Vilain can have a spin off in order to devellop them more
Yuusha ga Shinda? And How I stalked some dude with an exposed nipple and stumbled upon the Zenithian Sword. Yes, that's the title. It's advised to have played DQ5 beforehand though.
Thankns i will check them
They have the same vibes
>Whip hits Lily
Lily's love for Fubuki is too stronk
So, how many of you are excited for Mob psycho anime?
I can't fucking wait.
I know that she probably is Goddess Glasses replacement, but I still hope that she doesn't die. She's way too hot.
I don't care who wins as long as the fight isn't offscreen
I still don't get how's that a monster.
It looks more like a normal woman with skimpy outfit,
guess murata just had to add some fanservice.
Humanoid monster. That's what Goddess Glasses was, after all. Fuhrer Ugly may count as one too (seeing as he was already monstrously ugly before he mutated into a monster) in his untransformed state. Maybe Light Pull Cord too, but his head is too weird looking.
>seems like the japs don't really like overpowered MCs
Almost every shonen MC is overpowered as fuck, they just have a formality loss before receiving the latent asspull powerup.
You people are the worst. We saw Blast how he was 18 fucking years ago. Even then he had that eerie hint of cynicism to him that differentiated him from current Saitama. You know what can happen to a character in 18 years? Fucking anything i.e. whatever ONE decides to happen. Blast could've done a 180 on his beliefs since that time for all we know. Yet you dumbwits keep getting disappointed as if we've seen the fucking finale to the series already. Get some foresight that is different from that of a 12 y/o.
I have two other OPM drawings I wants to do aside from the coloring of this one, let's see if I'll have the motivation to do everything this week end.
>Blast turns out to be Saitama's
This. I always felt what OPM really does is cut out the middle man. Shonen MCs are rarely in any "real" danger, the series just pretends he is for fake drama. OPM is at least upfront about it.
I suppose you're right. To me she looks really tall on her introductory page though.
I don't know which possibility makes me harder, that Fubuki might get bullied again, or the dominatrix monster getting dominated.
Also let me guess, she used to be a dominatrix who just loved stomping on balls so much, she turned into a monster.
Why does every doujin have to be about rape?
Why can't we have a doujin where, I don't know, Tanktop Master takes TTG on a date, they head back to his house, and screw with both of their consent? And they keep their tank tops on for the entire time.
>And they keep their tank tops on for the entire time
I'm not opposed to fanservice but what made me like interested in this series is definitely not the girl's bodies and some hot poses
As attractive as they are I couldn't care less about their irrelevant fight, I want to see Garou run into Bang and Bomb already and have the plot progress again
This whole filler has been pretty lackluster and boring desu.
Well at least ONE is still going strong.
I actually like the approach they took with this arc. We have a lot of things happening at the same time. It's Murata's current schedule that's painful and makes the arc seem like a drag.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here, the first question to ask is will we even get a season 2?
I imagine an OPM movie as a typical boring, safe cash grab like most movies based off battle shonen/seinen series
Everyone gets amnesia, some new renegade hero organization with heroes who just happen to be a match for S class, a focus on Genos with plenty of shots of him staring off into the distance, etc. Something like that. They know who bought the Blu Rays so I'd expect slice of life segments and lots of Saitama, Genos, Sonic, Fubuki and Tastumaki.
>It's Murata's current schedule that's painful and makes the arc seem like a drag
Pretty much, and it's not getting any better now that Murata is working on Street Fighter and he's looking for new assistants. He hasn't streamed in a while either
I don't care about anything except more Garou
pretty sure he just paints his torso black
How can a garoufag not care about martial arts in general? Step it up senpai.
Martial arts are nice and all, but Garou is a cutie with his smug face and ripped shirts
Please, that was a poor act. Didn't work on Saitama of course.
>"dude, Garou, you're a sweet guy"
>Dude,Garou, you're a sweet guy
How many times in Garou's life has he been called sweet?
> Didn't work on Saitama of course.
I was thinking about this lately. Saitama is a pretty good judge of character, probably because he can see people from a different perspective. He saw through Garou, and now Tats, pretty much the same way: for everyone else, these people are scary. Everyone else was shit scared of Garou, and everyone treats Tats like a ticking timebomb who could explode any minute. Of course they pose zero threat to Saitama, so he can see them as just people. And he talks to them like a regular average person.
Of course the irony is this understanding is mostly one way. Garou looked at Saitama like something impossible that shouldn't exist. Tats doesn't understand him either, but at least she seems to recognise he's as alienated as she is. I'm really interested to see where this goes.
Nah, Garou's adamant refusal to kill and go full monster rape shows he's anything but edgy. If you want one word to describe him it's conflicted.
Sonic is edgy, and the edgiest speech in OPM belongs to Psykos.
his comments about the characters are so short that it's hilarious, but also true for said character
what I want to know is his overall impressions of all the heroes
Garou is a sweet guy
Fubuki is a hysterical woman
Genos is really awesome/cool
Tatsumaki is a shitty brat
the very fact Garou is dishonest about his more pure intentions and just says "evil" stuff to be seen as dark is ENTIRELY edgy.
We will get on-screen ones in the tournament. Well Zakos will get humiliated of course, nothing to look forward to there martial arts wise. But Bakusan and Suiryu should show off at least a couple of cool moves.
Sneck's gonna get off-panelled pfft.
So it's agreed Saitama is going to pull a Kami, right?
He will. I just hope Bang doesn't die as a result. He's old and Garou's very design is his biggest death flag.
What are the chances of good characters/heroes dying in the final arcs anyway?
I don't think Garou will come back as a villain, more like an antihero. But I wouldn't be super surprised if Genos dies in the end. He's only still alive because Dr. Kuseno keeps rebuilding him. If he dies, Genos will eventually die too
I think Genos will die eventually.
Just look at his near death records, he's always been saved by either saitama or one of the other heroes
i also strongly believe bang will die, mentally prepare yourself for that moment.
garou is going to be his legacy and take after the dojo
That's not what I meant. Garou is most likely to come back as a factionless hero, but he was basically designed to be Bang's replacement. He's pretty much the only disciple who has a clear chance to surpass his master. Bang is really old, too brave for his own good, and there's no space to develop him as a regular character anymore.
Bang is way more likely to die than Genos IMO. Genos is too important, underdeveloped and his death would feel contrived.
you know what i think? garou is going to get his act together and teach children like the ugly boy and zenko how to fight, as well as true martial art enthusiasts. That way the dojo will prosper,
it would be icing on the cake if saitama calls garou sweet again, just to make him twitch uncomfortably
They should've seen it coming
genos is too suicidal
>Garou's hurt expression
Saitama's banter with Garou was the best.
>You can do better, can't you?
>I'll break you too.
And of course pic related.
His battle with G-4
Saitama is pure moe, you can't just hate him
I think Garou kinda got to Saitama a little bit too, calling him out on his lack of motives
>Is that Genos' exposed brain? I don't remember that
Just your standard-issue Clear-glass dome braincase. This is old school and entirely impractical, but you can't fight tradition.
Even the S ranks don't really have "superpowers" in the american comic book sense. They just have crazy high limit versions for what normal humans can already do.
With that in mind, there's several heroes who have weaker versions of super strength, reflexes, speed, etc.
>normal humans have potential for those too.
I'm pretty sure the two Claw arcs proved most people doesn't. Remember, it was just the boss giving his power to the underlings, they didn't awaken any psychic power.
There were two different types, the ones that got them from the boss, and the ones that had them awaken through stress and shit. If I recall correctly, the drastic method worked for everyone, but some would go insane as a result.
>Even go out the way to draw a new girl
>Uses neither of them
What was the fucking point?
>gets effortlessly fucked up by Garou
come on now
fuck these sites and their shitty rumours then
I'd consider Lightspeed Flash to have super powers too, and Darkshine is basically indestructible
i think with superpowers he meant thinks other than what normal humans can do multiplied by 1000
like superman can shoot lasers out of his eyes, humans can't do that, not even a little
he can also fly and in old versions has ice breath
aquaman can command fish
martian manhunter can shapeshift
spiderman can shoot webs(in some versions) and climb walls
and of course all the crazy powers of xmen and the like
not to mention even the physical fighters like hulk or flash didn't "train" to be superstrong or fast, they got granted it by some outside force
now look at s-class heroes
SEVEN of them are just simply super strong
one of them uses a sword
another martial arts
two are really smart
one is a robot/cyborg and another a cyborg
one is fast
one can eat a lot
and one can regenerate
everything that humans can do except without any limits we real humans have
the only different one is tatsumaki, because espers, not even weak ones, exist in reallife
Garou made DS bleed, so he's not indestructible. IIRC Zombieman can also be killed.
Flash and Sonic are weird. It could be genes or they specifically trained to increase their speed.
The way they were shown and talked about, I would rank them at being better than any other hero in what they are good at. Darkshine is tougher and stronger than any hero, and Flash is faster.
Bang is maybe better because of his skills in fighting making him hit harder and faster than if he had no skills.
They were the only ones who exchanged blows with him. Losing to Garou isn't a fair judgement, that's like saying Boros was weak because Saitama toyed with him. I don't think they're as powerful as Bang/Tats but they're definitely the next best.
>better any other hero in what they are good at
Well in my opinion someone "really fucking strong" is an all arounder with very few bad matchups and weak spots. Bang is an example of a "really fucking strong" melee fighter. He seems like a powerhouse both skills and stats wise. He's not just a martial arts master, but also a super tough, strong and fast old man. DS might be tougher and Flash might be faster but Bang's skill together with his stats allows him to deal with each of them barehanded, as well as deal with a larger variety of threats.
feed me your blast conspiracies anon
WHO IS HE?!
They didn't exchange blows with him though, they weren't even able to touch him - he deflected and dodged everything effortlessly, then overwhelmed them in an instant. Even fighting him together they could do nothing. Garou is much, much faster than Flash - he used TTM's tackle to stop him solely for shits and giggles, then kicked him in the face at an insane speed.
And well, yes, compared to Saitama, everyone
but based Kingis weak, even Boros and Garou, that's why we never mention him in power level discussions in good threads.
It's a shame Bang missed the fight with Garou but he's likely the only other hero aside from Tatsumaki who could've momentarily fazed him.
>didn't break his limiter
Oh great, so he's going to get one-shotted
that would be ideal
I want to see what'll happen if Saitama were to go all out.
None of that "serious series" i want to see him take a fight against his equal seriously
>he used TTM's tackle to stop him solely for shits and giggles
That was a cool moment. Reminds me of the fact that Garou knows over a dozen fancy techniques but never uses them for whatever reason.
I feel Blast will be above Boros and Garou, how much stronger I don't know. I do want Saitama to do a 100% all-out punch by the end of the series.
Or at least a Serious Series: Consecutive Serious Punches
I would like it if blast could take on a punch from saitama's incredible strength.
One could you know, down the line or years, decide that he wants to give saitama a true battle before ending opm for good. this is what I'm cheering for, but at the sametime not holding my breath since opm is too satire
>Reminds me of the fact that Garou knows over a dozen fancy techniques but never uses them for whatever reason.
I can't be the only one disappointed that nobody in the tournament had any of these fighting styles.
Is this foreshadowing the heroes who'll answer the Heroes association call for when the Hunters group comes?
wasabi is gross, stay away from that stuff
ONEs art was pretty much scribbles at that point but there are several panels when Flash and Darkshine team up that are just speedlines and sparks in the air, which in my mind conveys exchanging blows. Don't forget that DS was like the only hero able to tank Garou's attacks to a point, not counting others like Zombieman or Mask which have strange bodies, Flash was also able to dodge a couple of Garou's attacks before going down. It doesn't change the fact that Flash and DS were both outmatched by Garou, but they're still very strong.
Nah, for example instead of wanting to be a hero, he probably only does it because otherwise everyone would be dead. He probably prefers the normal businessman life, so that's likely why he only would show up if the world is going to end, because he doesn't really care for heroing.
ONE drew every time Garou took blows: from Mask and Child (did absolutely nothing) and from Saitama (boy did it do something), of course. Every time there was a scribbly mess like the ones with Golden Sperm, DS/Flash or Tats throwing boulders at him at unholy speed, Garou emerged out of it all shiny and on top.
Flash being able to "dodge" Garou wasn't because his speed is that outrageous, it's because Garou wasn't trying at all. Simple as that. Garou even states he can reach his speed with no problem, but that's not fun. He fucked around with DS too. He didn't fuck around with one of the strongest monsters in OPM so far - Golden Sperm died in an instant. So, DS and Flash were going all out but got dunked on by a non serious Garou. Even Flash's sword wouldn't have helped him because Garou snaps that shit with two fingers. Now imagine how they'd fare against Boros or Garou who actually means to kill them. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.
Bottom line is, yes, they're pretty strong, but not VERY strong. That's Tatsumaki's realm, and Bang's to an extent, especially when he's in his monster murder mode.
I think the ones who'll join the Hunters will be the ones who know something shady is going with the Association, or simply don't like it that much.
Bang doesn't seem to be big on the Association, he might leave. Engine Knight (Enginite? Drive Knight?) I think will probably leave, and this'll be the part we finally get to learn something about him.
He's saying that it wasn't effortless, like the announcer was making it seem to be. Which would ordinarily be good, but the announcer was also talking about how hard he beat the girl. So, you know. If it was "really" effortless, he should have gone easier on her. But it wasn't, and Max really did have to exert himself.
Anon, Flash's speed is absurd and ONE emphasizes that greatly and deliberately, the same with Darkshine's strength. Bang has great strength and speed but his technique is his highlight.
The whole thing was that they are basically at or near the peak of what can be achieved in raw strength and speed for a person but that is ultimately nothing compared to people with broken limiters who are far beyond anything else. It was about how concepts of things like immense strength and speed are thrown out the window because these characters with broken limits blow away anything that isn't like them regardless.
They are very strong, it's just that these other characters are beyond superhuman.
>people with broken limiters
I wish this theory would die already. Just because someone in-universe said it doesn't mean it's true, especially since his whole arc was about proving how wrong his worldview was.
> there were rumors floating around that he's a pro hero
Nice translation Niggerstream.
You're both wrong.
broken Limiters are only a thing for Saitama. It's to explain how he is so much stronger than everyone else. Nobody broke and will broke their limiters besides him. Garou sure didn't.
>They are very strong, it's just that these other characters are beyond superhuman.
No, this is a universe where the state of "beyond superhuman" is something one achieves from birth (Tats, Boros since he's an alien) or through rigorous training fueled by a particularly strong, unstoppable desire. DS and Flash aren't absurd in any way if they can't claim either fate. Flash was nowhere close to Garou's speed. Before that DS got a bloody nose from Garou who also flawlessly stopped his ultimate with a technique inferior to calamity for pete's sake. So much for indestructible skin and inhuman strength. If Bang ever fought DS even remotely seriously he would've absolutely kicked his shit in.
>The whole thing was that they are basically at or near the peak of what can be achieved in raw strength and speed for a person but that is ultimately nothing compared to people with broken limiters
As far as we know the only one with truly broken limits is Saitama. Garou and Boros are way below him. DS and Flash are doooooooooooooooooooown there. Put two and two together. Do it before ONE introduces another "beyond superhuman" fella.
I almost forgot they're soiling OPM now.
Were talking relative terms here and you can't gauge Garou who was as strong as the plot needed him to be, like Saitama, except when he ran into Saitama himself who is beyond everything else. Monster Garou when he arrives on the surface clearly is already above everything except Saitama and only grows stronger. Comparing DS and Flash to Bang is just powerlevel wanking because there's no way to know for sure how they would fare against each other. Even if Bang could they are all obviously in a similar realm.
It is reasonably safe to say DS and Flash are depicted as having the greatest raw strength and raw speed in S class respectively (aside from Blast possibly but who knows). They are intentionally built up as the greatest at these individual feats, team up and are put down by Garou because ONE obviously is showing how Garou was officially transcending the traditional notions of strength and speed which only Boros and Saitama had before him.
DS and Flash count as very strong because they would wipe the floor with virtually everything that isn't Dragon level and even then they clearly could contend with Dragon level threats.
It's nonsensical to downplay the strength of something that could slaughter 99% of the competition but would lose to a universe conquering alien, a human who always comes back stronger as needed until he faces the central character and the central character himself who's entire thing is being unrivaled and unbeatable.
You can't merely call Boros and Garou "very strong", let alone Saitama.
Limiters aren't even an explanation. Just what the fuck is a limiter anyway? We still don't know how the fuck Saitama got as powerful as he did. It's just that you people kept chanting that theory about Saitama being weak and thus having lower limiter to the point where you consider it to be canon. Which it fucking isn't and there wasn't a single word proving it in either ONE's or Murata's. There most likely was something fishy in Saitama's past which he either refuses to tell or doesn't even acknowledge/remember himself. We'll definitely get into it later since it's the pivotal point of the fucking series.
A limiter is the limit to growth. Duh. It's explained without any ambiguity. It's the limit to how strong someone can become. If the cap for a stat was at 99, going beyond that would mean that you've broken the limit.
Saitama had a low limit. Putting it into numbers, he had a limit of like 10 or 20. But he broke through that and continued to grow stronger without restraint until he reached where he is today.
The proof is the narration itself.
That's not the fucking narration. Reread Garou's fight against Darkshine, retard. You might be one of those idiots who always talked about how "good" everything was before OPM got popular, but you're just another bandwagoner and speedreader. All you bring into this threads is the opportunity for someone else to shit on you.
And just like that, a new ship was born with a BLAST
>You can't merely call Boros and Garou "very strong", let alone Saitama.
What? It's simple. Rank from top to bottom, as ONE expands the universe. You have Saitama, who transcends everyone. Boros was very strong. Garou is very strong and still alive to boot. Tatsumaki is borderline very strong. Bang is strong because of how versatile he is. Other top S classes are just "pretty strong", borderline "decent". The rest of HA is trash at this point, MA is proving it in the manga as we speak. Why invent useless terms like "beyond what the hell ever" and circlejerk over the limiter, especially when we're constantly reminded of the fact that Saitama is the only one in The Beyond?
I don't know why you're using those particular heroes as trendsetters in strength/speed/toughness when there are monsters that surpass them but still stand no chance against the "very strong". More likely than not, more threats of that level will appear in the future, making DS and Flash look fragile and slow again. Garou in particular didn't even NEED to fight them to show what he's capable of. His fight with Saitama alone made it obvious - Saitama assessed Garou's strength almost immediately. His fight with Golden Sperm was also self-explanatory.
If you want to talk traditional notions, look at the ultra ancient Elder and tell me if you think that thing isn't tougher and stronger than Darkshine. How would he contend with that? At all? He killed one Demon level bug but that's not a feat. Meanwhile Flash has literally no feats (junkbots don't count, yeah) and an ego the size of the moon.