So after catching up with Gate, I was wondering: would a hangun bullet be able to penetrate steel shields and armour? Assault rifles are probably a given, but could a 9mm handgun manage, even at close range?
are you joking? of course it would, a fucking arrow pierces armour.
That's what shields, chainmail and leather tunics are all for. To stop arrows (and everything else that could slash or stab you), but a bullet from a 9mm will got through armour/chainmail/leather all at once and probably the shield too. Don't doubt me on this either nigga
>>135978599 Well yeah, obviously modern rifles would work, but that's why I was talking about handguns.
>>135978646 Maybe? Probably not on it's own, but chainmail after the Roman era was used with plate armour to cover the weak points between plates, IIRC.
>>135978661 I suppose. Does leather really stop arrows better than steel armour though? Also, padlocks can stop 9mm bullets IIRC, but then again they're probably even more durable than any medieval armour.
>>135978729 I don't know how the novels have developed, but I can only imagine that's the next logical step, since the Empire doesn't have a damn chance against the SDF as it stands. Probably Russia or China will manage to make contact and supply them with modern weaponry.
Maybe another Gate will open up somewhere else, even.
>>135978771 >>135979170 >>135979335 Even if they got hold of enough small arms and ammunition for their entire army, they'd still need training to use them properly. Also they'd still have trouble without aircraft, tanks, artillary, etc., all of which would take forever to teach them to use. Especially the aircrafts.
>>135978729 Even if he did. Dudes would be noob with them. JSDF wold be and is trained in Gun v Gun combat. there is a fuck ton of strategy to urban gun fighting which the Emperor's army wouldnt have a clue about. Not to mention simple grenade and rocket warfare. That without even considdering tanks. If a bunch of battle mages came out and started throwing fireballs it'd be a different story
>>135979747 Anon. There is no If/But/Maybe/Could here. the JSDF are portrayed as HELLA professional. they wont even fuck the animal girls in town. i doubt they'd leave weapon caches arround. EVEN THEN. the JSDF is trained to fight against guns. the old noobs are not. At the end of the day if word got out they had some weapons. The metal valkeries would be on their way with a payload of missiles and the artilery would be called in.
>>135979688 >>135979718 >>135979747 The problem is that warfare as a concept has had to contend with guns in the real world for hundreds of years, and the modern warfare adopted by the JSDF and all other modern armed forces has been built on all of those developments. The way technology has changed warfare over the past 100 years alone is huge, even at the beginning of the First World War cavalry charges were initially employed only for them to be abandoned after they were inevitably decimated by machineguns, artillary and everything else afforded by the radical changes in weaponry and warfare. The Empire has all that time to make up for in a very short space of time.
>>135979842 The only way it would happen is if another foreign power or arms dealer managed to make contact with the Empire. Dunno if that's going to happen or not.
According to the novel translations: >Kuribayashi drew her sidearm and fired three shots. Since they were using wooden shields, the 9mm bullets could splinter a shield in one shot, shatter it in another, and strike the person holding them with a third. It doesn't mention armor, mind.
>>135978771 >I don't know how the novels have developed, but I can only imagine that's the next logical step, Then you don't know the story very well. This isn't one of those "Magical World is many times stronger" fantasies. The Gate world is primitive and stays that way. And no, the story isn't about fair battles. It never was, You fight when you can't lose, only idiots want a fair fight.
>>135981142 I was talking on the premise of the story developing in the direction of the JSDF facing combat difficulties outside of magical creatures. I guess the political intrigue could take the story quite a bit further, but the premise of the Empire refusing to back down against an almost infinitely superior foe can only be stretched so far, even with the moron prince in power. Like I said, I haven't read the novels, but from what I can tell the manga has covered less than half of the material to date, so I can't help but wonder which direction it goes in and how far.
>>135981552 >I can't help but wonder which direction it goes in and how far. It's just say both the Empire and JSDF are handicapped. Without spoiling, there are forces that are actively preventing the Empire from industrialising and yet, it also stops the JSDF from just building a modern industrial complex in GATE soil.
>>135983277 >there are forces that are actively preventing the Empire from industrialising and yet, it also stops the JSDF from just building a modern industrial complex in GATE soil The gods? Can they survive a H-bomb attack?
>>135982907 Depends on how fantastical we're talking. If magic could be used ways beyond the understanding or means of modern technology, sure. If they could steal men's souls from their bodies while they still lived, or travel through time or even just having more destructive power than nukes, that would be something. But the world in Gate is just a slightly shittier Roman Empire with an underutilized magic system that isn't that amazing in the first place. Only the magical wildlife and gods/demigods are a serious threat, and they're either too disorganised or uninterested to be a serious problem.
>>135983391 Going by the description, gods don't have physical form or at least don't have the restrictions of the physical form. A nuke isn't going to kill something that isn't physically there.
>>135983277 What forces? The only ones I could feasibly imagine being that much of a problem would be other modern nations or the gods of the Empire's world. I guess that's fair enough, though.
>>135983168 This reminds me of a plot in Thor. The CEO of Roxxon Oil allies with Malekith the Accursed in his war against Asgard in exchange for all of Svartalfheim's Oil (which the Dark Elves have no need for anyway).
>>135983688 >In any other fantasy series, a dragon is always an ultra powerful being which is semi-immortal, can use tons of spells beyond men's imagination almost invulnerable before mundane weapons. Except in many such stories, the dragon is usually able to be killed by a group of adventurers lead by a guy with a sword and shield. That's the issue here. It seems in GATE the dragons are powerful, but not so powerful that they couldn't be killed by a lucky hero and his band. This means the dragon would also be able to be killed by organised modern armies.
>>135983595 Anything involving mind-control or manipulation, illusions, etc. would be effective. Though it all depends on how many minds you can effect at once, how severe the effects and what it makes them do, how long it lasts, what are the requirements for casting and targetting your enemy, etc. A requirement as simple as, say, needing to look them in the eye would be a serious handicap.
>>135983818 That was kind of weird, really. One panzerfaust took an arm off, you would have thought just a couple of shots or just one good one to the head would be enough. Struck me as a little inconsistent.
>>135983746 >Except in many such stories, the dragon is usually able to be killed by a group of adventurers lead by a guy with a sword and shield And that guy must be some sort of demi-god (true demi-god, not shitty things like Rory), chosen one loved and blessed by the heaven or an immortal himself. His weapons and gears must be some legendary divine artifacts used by the gods, the sword can obliterate hundred square miles of land by a single swing and the shield can defend him from nukes. >This means the dragon would also be able to be killed by organised modern armies Likely, but not without heavy casualty that could cripple an army like Japan's. A fantasy dragon is basically a one being army possesses bunch of WMDs with perfect defense and flexibility.
>>135984077 >A fantasy dragon is basically a one being army possesses bunch of WMDs with perfect defense and flexibility. It really depends on the universe you are talking about. Obviously there are plenty of dragons who are basically divine beings, but that is not a requirement. GATE dragons are very powerful animals, but still animals. They are intelligent, but they still bleed.
>>135984335 >That's the problem, GATE dragon is just a flying lizard, dragons in fantasies and folktale are always divine beings. That's bullshit and you know it. There are far more divne Dragons in Asia, while Western Dragons tend to just be powerful animals.
>>135984044 Again, depends on status affect. Instant death, confusion, petrification are a serious problem, but something like poison is shit tier. Even then, for every magical debilitation and power there's almost always a counter, and the SDF aren't so incompetent that they wouldn't procure whatever was needed ASAP. This much is shown when Leilei caught the girl zombie virus and Itami went through hell to get the cure straight off the bat.
>>135984284 The zombies in Gate aren't even weak compared to traditional ones, and Itami took out a ton of them almost entirely by himself (with a little help from Yao). Zombies are always overestimated in fiction anyway.
>>135984387 To be fair, there are a few cases of nigh-divine dragons in the west, but even then there are some pretty wide differences. There's a pretty big difference between something like Fafnir and Nidhogg or Jormungandr, for example.
>>135984466 >Even then, for every magical debilitation and power there's almost always a counter, and the SDF aren't so incompetent that they wouldn't procure whatever was needed ASAP Well, in fantasies, the cures are hard like hell to get and the amount is usually so few that only a handful number can be cured. It will be a serious problem if hundreds of them get infected by the zombies.
9mm hollow point wall penetration is roughly comparable to 5.56mm. 9mm FMJ penetrates at least 1" of concrete, comparable to 5.56mm XM192 ball (XM855 LAP is better).
Also, many modern 9mm defensive loads pass FBI testing which requires the bullet pass through each of the following barriers, followed by an air gap, clothing, and still get at least 12 inches of tissue penetration: two layers of 20ga galvanized hot rolled steel, a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood, and a plate of 1/4" laminated automobile safety glass at a 45º angle from 10 feet and 20 yards. Those are all hollow point loads, so again ball ammo would perform better with regard to penetration.
There is no question. Modern 9mm ammo would be completely effective against medieval shields and armor of any type.
The whole "9mm is ineffective" thing is about stopping power, not lethality, and is highly disputed. 9mm wounds are highly lethal, but they may not knock people down as quickly as a rifle round. But if your enemy is armed with sticks and swords, stopping power isn't that big of a deal anyway.
>>135984659 Cures, preventatives, counter-spells, etc. It took the SDF no time at all to get people on their side including a range of different magic users. Something like the plant used to cure Lellei could be procured, studied and grown en mass for all extents and purposes.
>>135984721 >You never had a party wiped out from status effects before, I'd reckon. M8, don't even start. Beelzebub in SMT II is an asshole, but still totally beatable. And you know as well as I do that those games are balanced so that preventatives and cures are always available if you know where to look for them.
>>135984842 >Something like the plant used to cure Lellei could be procured, studied and grown en mass for all extents and purposes Except in fantasies, those plants usually can only live in a very specific place with strict conditions, you can't grow them en mass. There's a reason why a full party has to go through all shits to get them. Beside, if there're too much people being infected at one, you won't have enough time to replicate them.
>>135985029 You say that as if modern technology doesn't have the ability to replicate specific environments for plants, animals, etc. The SDF have a huge amount of open land that could be developed for different purposes and they have a passage to central Tokyo right next to them, they could set up think tanks of researchers and whatever else they need. Plus, quarentine is made all the more managable if they need to fall back through the Gate, since it's the only point of entry to their world.
>>135985251 >You say that as if modern technology doesn't have the ability to replicate specific environments for plants, animals, etc Which part of "Usual fantasy world's magic is incomprehensible by science" you don't understand? If a plant can only grows in a god damn shrine because a god took a shit there once and thus it became sacred, how are the JSDF gonna replicate that condition?
>>135985501 >"Usual fantasy world's magic is incomprehensible by science" I already conceded that they'd be fucked if that were the case. For the same reason they'd be fucked in a universe where gods smash universes over each other's heads in celestial bar fights, it's unfair, unbalanced, and uninteresting. No fucking shit. If, however, it's comprehensible by the world's inhabitants, then it can be replicated. Even if you have to find a god and kindly ask him to shit on a celestial mountain, that can be replicated. But if it's just 'magical beyond your understanding and impossible for mortals to accomplish', then yeah, that's fucked. There's no story to be had there, you're either born with plot-convenient Hero power or you're doomed to be fucked for eternity.
>>135979747 They wouldn't even understand how to use it. Most likely if they even found a modern rifle, they would treat it like some magical artifact, having mages studying it to try and decipher it's magic. Then they bring it into battle, with some old man holding it like a staff, and trying to cast "Backdraft" with it, only for him to get shit in the arm by one of the JSDF
>>135978741 the shields in the picture are wooden. you can see the boards on them. I feel like a handgun of that size still wouldn't do much. it likely would penetrate the shield but be refracted off/lose too much momentum to continue doing much damage afterwards.
Doesn't matter though, the noise and impact are enough to keep the line distracted while Murders Mclolibot comes up behind them with the ax.
If I recall thats why oda used rifles to begin with. They make a hell of a fright going off in your face, even if they don't hit anything
>>135978729 >Primitive screwheads somehow find a stash of handguns and rifles >After months of intense magical study, they believe they understand how to use them >They march into battle against the JSDF, confident they finally have the advantage, being able to use the Japanese's own weapons against them >Wisened old mages march in, wielding rifles like magic staves, with bullets hanging from it like runes >The empire's greatest warriors march along with hand guns in both hands, aiming them straight out, sneering with confidence >They pull the triggers, expecting a mighty killing magic or something to come out, but without any ammo in the magazine, they just get useless clicks >The mages swing the rifles around, chanting Japanese that they heard the soldiers shouting, thinking them spells, but get nothing >The JSDF take down and restrain them all and take the weapons back. Turns out the guns were broken anyway
expecting me to actually read the thread before posting in it, absurd.
anyways >>135986895 is she shooting a particular board in the shield with each shot? This isn't like some rpg where breaking one board renders the whole shield useless because the durability stat hit zero
>>135986897 i'm unfamiliar with wallboard, but it looks kinda foamy? I dunno. In the write-up afterwards it talks about penetrating 3/4 inch of wood cloth and 12 inches of flesh. That's not really the 2 inches of wood i think most shields have standard plus. . .what are these? roman rip offs? So they have lorica segmenta? A friend of mine had a set of lorica, that shits hard to get through and curved, a feel it would deflect a bullet away especially if it's already coming through a shield.
unless of course it caught them in the legs, arms, or face.
>>135987646 >roman rip offs? So they have lorica segmenta? They were bandits made up of the remains of armies sent out from the Empire's subjugated principalities, they probably didn't have proper armour. The actual centurion-looking motherfuckers in the Imperial Palace get gunned down by assault rifles at ranges between point-blank and a few meters at most.
>>135981763 Good. It's Better than glorifying the Drug dealers like our BR dramas. TROPA DE ELITE RULEZ!!
Also it would be way worse if they glorify the japanese leftists. PLOT: - Japanese comunist/leftists summons the gate in order to destroy the japanese right wing. - After successfully executing the Prime minister and imperial family, they send the right wings to serve north Korea and China. After that they dismantle the Japan and builds an "Soviet Archipelago Union". - They discovers a magic what inutilizes the nuke and go to war against EUA. - They destroys EUA and turns it in a Soviet nation. The end.
>>135986780 >First read the English version >Rod of steel? Why are using penis image over it? >Sees the raw japanese version. >"Penis of Steel". Now the image makes sense. Ok, looks like the translator was too "innocent".
>>135988020 The guys in heavy armour are pretty different from the ones in the OP, they look much better equipped and are probably wealthier and/or of a better class. They might not even be from the same kingdom, the alliance was made up of several different nations from around the Empire's environs.
>>135983875 the LN on skys site went into more detail. One backblasted two others. One forgot to turn off the safety. Another didn't pull out the probe so it just exploded without punching through the scales. One suicide shot it at point blank and another knocked the survivors flat.
I was reading the manga for the first time, hammered as fuck, and raged about her anime design saying she was "supposed to be a tough 35yo soldier, not an idol" because of this page. Except that's the chapter number.When I woke up hungover the following day the damage was done.
>>135988880 That's pretty goofy. Even though it's in moonrunes, anyone with a bit of sense should have realised that was a chapter number. I do think it's a bit odd at how much her character design changes between the different mediums. The anime one in particular is a bit of a jump, she does look about 10 years younger than the other ones. I like her all of her designs though, so I'm not all that bothered.
>>135989513 Oh. I was assuming you knew it was a manga chapter and were deliberately winding people up whilst drunk. I meant that anyone responding to you should really be able to figure it out. Sorry. >Kuri is supposed to be in her 20's, the same as Kurata. I assumed she was vaguely in her 20s. I know she's supposed to be small, but the anime version really does look like she's in her teens. Is her age vaguley addressed? I thought only Itami's age was actually mentioned.
>>135989513 >>135989680 Also, something else I noticed: >JSDF enlistment age: 18 >Age for purchasing alcohol: 20 I swear most countries do this. Why can people of a certain age group join the armed forces but can't drink alcohol? It's always baffled me.
Some novelfag once talked about a chapter where she's told she'll be part of the vanguard into the Gate, and a test subject to the acceptation of females in the Special Forces. She then fantasizes about the gritty but kind warriors she's gonna be fighting alongside with, only to find Itami and Kurata arguing about waifus and singing anime songs, or something close. Her age was supposed to be told then but I don't remember it.That also explains her reaction at Itami's Ranger and SF statuses, and her will to marry a SF soldier.
>>135989915 >>135989926 Well assuming wikipedia is correct, it's 18 for the US and 16 (with parental consent) here in the UK, both of which are under drinking age. Maybe saying most was an exaggeration, but still.
>>135989832 Well, there's this idea that people go from kid to adult in a flash, but the law doesn't really agree, not to mention the whole maturity thing which varies a great deal. Just a few things that come with adulthood but don't necessarily come at the same time: >age of consent >marriage >alcohol >driving >voting >renting an apartment or a car >signing binding contracts >eligibility to run for public office >eligibility for the draft/enlistment >reasonable rates on some types of insurance
Guns did replace armor because they did wreck them. Even longbows had decent penetrating power against plate armor. Nonetheless, armor was used for a very long time because it did afford some protection, and even then only the nobility wore armor anyway. The vast majority of any medieval army was just made of conscripted peasants or mercenaries.
It was far easier and cheaper to train a peasant to wield a musket than it was to outfit and train one to use platemail and associated weapons and also more effective.
You're really just debating semantics here. The point is that firearms have obviously made plate armor useless in the long run, but because real life does not work like a game of Civilization guns and plate armor were both concurrently relevant on battlefields for quite some time, that exact length of time depending on how liberal your definition of "guns", "plate armor", and "relevant"
>>135992379 While guns were able to penetrate armor, they also had terrible reload times at first so warfare didn't change that much over night. Cavalry was far from obsolete and still important in the 19th century.
I'm not saying that cavalry was obsoleted by muskets, I'm saying that by World War 1 they were, as evidenced by the fact they got utterly fucking wrecked and never used again. The point I was attempting to make is that even though military tech improved, older tech stayed around for very, very long time.
The manga started covering the start of this volume, then went to cover Gaiden+ story. The manga will return to volume three content next chapter, so be warned, this summary will be a spoiler for immediate future content.
>I was wondering: would a hangun bullet be able to penetrate steel shields and armour?
Late 19th century armour was often tested by firing a musket at it to see if the armour could withstand the blast and Breastplates that did not withstand it were melted down and reshaped. I dont know much about ballistics but im guessing a shaped bullet will do more damage than an uneven Musket ball. i suppose at the very least a 9mm would knock somebody off their feet and possibly force the armour to stab into the wearers skin
>>135995544 >i suppose at the very least a 9mm would knock somebody off their feet and possibly force the armour to stab into the wearers skin >>135995802 Clarification. 9mm penetrates quite well, especially in hard barriers (comparable to 5.56mm, see above). But the low kinetic energy produces less hydrostatic shock, which means it may not incapacitate people as quickly. The 9mm round will readily penetrate the armor and kill the person inside, but it might take a few seconds to a few minutes for them to die from blood loss.
Momentum is what would allow a bullet to physically knock someone over. 5.56mm NATO only has 30% more momentum than 9mm, so the felt impact would be pretty similar. But 5.56mm has about 300% more kinetic energy due to much higher velocity, so it will produce much more hydrostatic shock (assuming all that energy is actually dissipated in the person).
>>135992860 >I'm not saying that cavalry was obsoleted by muskets, I'm saying that by World War 1 they were, as evidenced by the fact they got utterly fucking wrecked and never used again
Well, no. Even modern armies right into the 1920s, heavy with infantry and artillery, required a mobile arm for screening, scouting, deep raiding, and exploitation. Until the advent of mechanization, the only alternative for fulfilling this requirement was traditional mounted formations.
>>135999007 >Before getting there he will rape and kill several named characters, so get ready to hate him even more. Well now I need to see this. The thread you mentioned is on the archive or is on going?
>>135999007 Speaking of which, how similar are the LNs to the original novel? Are they basically the same? Which are the manga and anime actually following, if not? I'd assume the LN since it's the 'official' version, but I'm still curious.
>>135999333 Japan is already occupied by America, it's occupied it since the end of WWII. What do you think the base in Okinawa is for? Why do you think Japan has a self-defense force and not an actual army? It's just easier to keep Japan as a pet ally than to overtly take the country and alienate its other allies by being an overt asshole.
>>135999067 Well, no, but close. Shandy, the one introduced just recently in the manga who is dreamy of Itami "the Green Man"'s heroics, joins the gang on their trip to the academy. The details are in the ongoing volume three summary thread mentioned above. Anyways... later on she tries to fend off Zorzal's army of assassins and protect Pina, but is killed in action. Also Tuwar the teenage harpy prostitute you saw in the anime just last episode who predicted the earthquake, she retires from life of prostitution and leaves the capital with her boyfriend to get married and raise a farm. She is later found brutally raped to near death by Zorzal's men, with her boyfriend stabbed to death next to her. Zorzal also orders his men to gang rape Tyuule, and later kills her as she kills him.
>>135999442 How far is Okinawa from the gate? Goddamnit I want to see A-10s killing dragons. And US marines instead of Jap Manlets. But yes the US already has Japan as a vassal. But clearly not enough as they had to send spec ops to get what they wanted.
>>135999912 It's their go to Anime so far other than Uppote(Jesus Christ what trash). They used to have threads every 2 days or something but they got removed and making them gets you banned. Even gun control gets you banned.
>>136000828 Her tagging along seems quite contrived. She would have been told outright that she isn't a slave and can't be considered a slave and is only tagging along because she apparently feels like it.
>>136000828 She's the less important part of the harem, and actually the other girls make mata jokes about it.
Throughout the gaiden novels Yao keeps complaining about her having less exposure than the girls, not getting her own book, etc. Then she got a whole HALF a book with Gaiden+, which was funny since it kinda felt like they were just throwing her a bone.
>>136001375 A few hundred died in Ginza incident. I don't think there was any casualty in the Special Region until later. First were when JSDF came to the aid of the Rose Knights at the Jade Palace Then we had multiple helicopters getting shot down, and ground troops getting killed by heavy hitter monsters during Zorzal's last stand.
There were also JSDF members injured or killed when shapeshifters attacked. (Kuri went toe to toe with one with a knife, a feat that impressed even Rory)
Then we had fuckton die when the Aliens swarmed out of the portal at the end of season one.
>latest translated novel chapter >The group emerged from the collapsing cavern with their lives. As they made contact with the outside air, Itami’s group collapsed like puppets whose strings had been cut. >goddammit nigel/sky
>>136001531 >aliens Honestly, I was kind of expecting this. As soon as peace was finally established, I was imagining something like a super advanced sci-fi galactic empire finding their way through another gate and threatening to conquer the planet in both universes.
>>136002310 Why wouldn't you expect that? We've already established that there's a dimensional portal between a medieval fantasy world and the modern real world, why wouldn't there be one to a sci-fi future Earth, or even another planet?
>>136002497 You mean it's a manga about culture clash between the modern world and a world like something out of fiction. Throwing in a different fictional world into the mix isn't changing the genre at all. Besides, as already mentioned, aliens do actually appear.
>>136002661 I feel like you aren't picking up on the cool aspects of Gate. It's like propaganda as much for modernity as it is for the JSDF. That's why it goes out of it's way all the time to show the people from the fantasy world being amazed by stuff from the "real world".
>>136002803 I agree, but this is just on the assumption of all out war. When one highly intelligent species gains contact with another, I assume the first thing they'll do is peace talks and trade. For the record, I do hope aliens like the Starcraft Protoss come into play. I'd like to see things like telepathy and EMR manipulation come into play.
>>136002859 Not so much propaganda for the JSDF as much as it is modern era wanking. JSDF wanking would be if people in the manga directly said that they were the best soldiers to handle the Gate situation.
>>136002747 Except if they are rational aliens/robots with a sophisticated sense of justice and reason, it's entirely possible that politics is the ONLY viable option, since brute warfare wouldn't cut it.
>>136002859 I am aware of these things, anyone can appreciate elves gawping at modern technology or knights getting shot to shit with modern firearms. Throwing in an even more advanced society for the modern people to gawk at in wonder is just another step along.
>>136003308 >I am aware of these things, anyone can appreciate elves gawping at modern technology or knights getting shot to shit with modern firearms. Throwing in an even more advanced society for the modern people to gawk at in wonder is just another step along. I fail to see how aliens would be propaganda for modernity. Modernity is everything that represents the present.
>>136003386 Nah, I believe more advanced alien civilizations than ours would have developed telepathy or the ability to have a single consciousness I feel like. Like say, if humans advanced so far metaphysically that everyone's a born mind reader. It's what I meant by the Protoss.
>>136003432 Triumphing over aliens is just as good as triumphing over fantasy Romans. If anything it's more stirring because it's an actual superior foe rather than bullying a civilization somewhere betweeen 500 and 2000 years behind you.
>>136003592 I wasn't saying anything like hive-like consciousness. Like a connection of some sort, I don't know how to explain the Khala. I'm envisioning like no crimes happen because the moment someone does, everyone knows about it right away so if you want to commit crime, you have to cut your psychic link. >Vulcans Protoss have emotions though.
>>136003593 http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16884.The_Making_of_the_Atomic_Bomb I'm guessing this book is telling people to make their own bombs then. Come on son.
>>136003648 We know jackshit about the human body. Tech may advance but why is it there's people out there who can read minds? Control fire? Take a spear to the stomach for breakfast and call their technique as chi?
An race with better tech and better understanding of their own metabiology would be the logical next evolutionary step for humans I feel like.
>>136003727 Dragons and magic have fuck all to do with the progress we've made, but they're still there nonetheless. And again, as has been mentioned, aliens are actually in the story, so it's a moot point.
>>136003893 The author's not going to be a prick to people who still want to join the JSDF even after reading his work. He's just saying not to treat his book as their primary motivation to join if they ever decide to. The tips are there for those who want to join. It's like if Rowling told the kids to treat Harry Potter as a work of fiction, and not reality, but includes tongue in cheek tips of how to apply for Hogwarts.
>>136004010 >That's just shameless wish fulfillment fantasy. I'm just going to leave this here as proof that if you don't get out of your couch every now and then, you'll miss out. I trust you can do your own research after this.
>>136004300 >the Japanese pass off all the technology the Gate people encounter as their own. Did that ever actually happen? Whenever they say 'we' referring to their technology it seemed to me they meant the people of modern Earth, not the superior Nippon banzai regime.
>>136004270 It matters because you've just been talking about an advanced alien species showing being the predictable outcome of Gate and then citing that as happening when in fact it's just a bunch of monsters someone compared to aliens. They have nothing to do with all the reasons you why you expected aliens.
>>136004350 Holy shit you're so far up your ass. Eat your shoe right now, idiot.
I guess every rape hentai doujin out there encourages rape. every mexican drama encourages adultery.
No one is saying that there won't be any men who use the book as motivation to join, there might be one or two crazies to do so, but that does not mean that Gate is outright JSDF propaganda because of that. The JSDF don't even pay the guy.
You should know how government propaganda works, they're usually in wide reach of people and have very good production value. Electoral commercials are a good testament to that.
>>136004469 I expected aliens as a fancy, not with any particular rational. I explained my case as to why I don't think it's particularly out of place in >>136002435 and >>136002661, and I get that you don't agree, but that's just how I interpret the material. I get it, you don't think it's appropriate for various reasons. I'll agree to disagree, because it's nothing more than a flight of fancy. I just thought it was neat that aliens really did get involved, even if it wasn't the way I'd hoped. Let's leave it at that.
>>136004586 Not mad, just irritated that there's evidence right there staring them in the face, that the series people have been accusing of being propaganda for the longest time, isn't actually propaganda. You wouldn't believe how many people believe that Gate is just because they heard it from people instead of investigating it for themselves.
>>136004719 >I expected aliens as a fancy, not with any particular rational Well I wish you had said that from the beginning when I asked the question. I could have been posting about the Ottoman Empire on /his/ all this time.
>>136004735 >>136004737 This is the bad thing about science. People close their eyes to possibilities far beyond their understanding just because science can't explain it yet.
Listen, there will come a time that science will explain this, but until our tech gets better or our understanding of the human body gets better, we won't be able to explain this shit one bit.
If this shit was made up, then explain all the reincarnation stories out there. Or the 3rd world video about the pyrokinetic 3 year old. I don't think 3rd world news stations would be able to pull off complicated CG like that, people would know right away and dismiss it so.
>>136004863 No, but there's negative connotation in doing so. How you explain all the uproar before season 1 went up? Shitposters everywhere, bloggers refusing to cover it because they heard things about it, etc.
No scientist would shut his eyes to possibilities beyond his understanding. He would seek to understand. He would suspend his disbelief until proof can be had. When there is no proof and all he gets is more and more bullshit excuses and dodges, he can reasonably conclude that whoever is spouting this shit cannot be trusted.
>explain all the reincarnation stories out there. Or the 3rd world video about the pyrokinetic 3 year old
>>136004870 Fun fact, this is exactly what countless people have told themselves because they sucked at the sciences or resent not knowing more about the world. That's why they try to negate all the time an effort others have put into understanding the world by claiming none of it is true or that it blinds them from real truth.
>>136004936 The world is full of propaganda. People who freak out about it being propaganda either don't realize how brainwashed they actually are in hundreds of other ways or just use that as an excuse for hating on something they simply don't read/watch.
>>136005277 Propaganda to me is something that outright says why thing A is better than thing B. Like the election advertisements and speeches. Gate doesn't even SUGGEST people signing up plus the author doesn't even recommend it, actively discourages it even.
You see, the thing about the heliocentric universe is that they had observational evidence to back it up. People did experiments, and it fit in to their theory of the world. All this shit about fire control and whatever else garbage is just storytelling. There are no theories, there is no proof, there is nothing to indicate that it might even remotely be true. The supporters of the heliocentric theory didn't support their belief out of ignorance, they supported it with evidence.
>>136005471 >I guess this is what people who believed in the Heliocentric theory felt back when it was widely believed Earth was the center of the universe. No one was against the heliocentrism before there was evidence. There was no enlightened minority arguing for heliocentrism simply from intuition.
At best you are fallaciously giving an argument from ignorance, "we can't know everything so none of your 'evidence' counts for anything".
Stop glorifying ignorance and hit the books. Understanding the world times time and perseverance.
>>136005879 I'm pretty sure the creatures you are talking about were literally one step below God, like, THE God. All the actual Lord of the Rings stuff happens when all those old fogies are dead accept the a Balrog, Sauron, and some wizards.
>>136005879 I don't remember how large that dragon that sacked Nargothrond was, but it definitely was one of the great wyrms that was so massive that it never even developed wings. There were also balrogs everywhere during that era.
So i know that the gate eventually opens up and they fight aliens but is there any more details about it? from what i hear the gate opened to it for only like a couple seconds before someone ran out and told him what was up and they closed it. Was there no big battle or anything?
>>136013459 I wouldn't compare a generic scifi story about a couple of plucky humans getting lucky and saving the world comparable to completely showing up a society modeled on the past in every way from science, technology, governance, and ethics.
I see Gate as like Star Trek but with the present showing up the past instead of the future showing up the present.
Sure, but there is actually a body of evidence and reproducible experiments to demonstrate why this happens. I remember watching a documentary about this when I was little. Little being like 20 years ago.
>without any outside cause
Actually, that's wrong. Most cases of spontaneous human combustion involve people who are either extremely fat or extremely old, to the point that they cant move, and most also have cigarettes or other ignition sources as the cause.
Spontaneous human combustion is amazing, but it is by no means some unexplainable phenomenon.
>>136014100 >He is a grown man with an ex wife, he has no excuse to not fuck something Quite the opposite. He is a grown man with an ex-wife. The novelty has worn off. Sex brings responsibilities that he isn't ready to deal with right now.
>>136015019 What about the thirty something year old with huge tits from the manga who beats Julius Caesar's son within an inch of his life or the little girl who stabs dudes in the face with a bayonet in the anime? Do you have any of either of them?
There are many types of bullets. Expanding bullets such as hollow points do fragment or expand on impact. Ball bullets such as full metal jackets to not fragment and expand very little. Typical ball bullets do tend to deform on impact with a hard enough surface. There are also armor piercing bullets which are a type of ball bullet which are designed specifically for retaining their shape on impact by being extremely dense or otherwise durable.
>>135978155 No, 9mm would dent the sheild good and probably seriously hurt the arm if shot on the grip plane.
Sheilds are made from slightly thicker and heavier plates of metal (because you need the thing you are blocking with to be harder than what's hitting it or else you might as well be blocking with your arm) additionally, European sheilds, even early roma-italian ones were forged with a fault line straight down the middle which makes it break at an angle to the left or right I.e. even if the bullet were to "break" through the sheild it's be deflected slightly. Plus sheilds already aren't rigid plates they're bowed significantly to ,agian, deflect the blow. Directly blocking a blow hurts like hell and really fucking drains you, whereas if the blow glances off and you only get a hard tap, you could last a while in combat.
To make matters worse her 9mm probably is shooting lead bullets with no special deals, AND she's shooting some japshit barreta style 9mm which has shit inital veloc which would make it fucking bounce hardcore if shot that close.
>>135978661 Hory fucko, arrows don't Peirce armor thats fucking stupid. They made arrows specifically to break armor and those fuckers weren't made with points, look it up. They were weighted box-head arrows.
I can see a crash program to develop modern firearms occuring as fast as possible. Surely there would be people like Leilei who could find out the chemical composition of gunpowder or smokeless powder and they could manufacture it for themselves and try to develop weapons to use it.
>>136020352 Since they're going to do two volumes in one season, Gate would only have to have one more season to do all of novel "season one". Because that way anime season 3 will cover novel book 4 & 5.
I would bet my life savings they're gonna do it too.
>>136032744 See: >>135980193 It strikes me as odd as the shield being shattered on the second shot but the bullet still not striking the person holding it. Then again, I don't know a god damn thing about ballistics.
>>136032950 Armour and shields are technology there's various design, material, philosphy, technique, manufacturing, and improvement spanning several thousand years, if the damn chink comic show it can then it's the kind that can.
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