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Would you have done it if you were in Shinji's position, /a/?

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Would you have done it if you were in Shinji's position, /a/?
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>>135635727
why would I kill Ikuhara?
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>>135635727
whipped out a massive ACME(TM) hammer and smushed unit01
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>>135635931
Because if you don't, he'll kill all the humans.
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>>135635727
Rape Asuka
Rape Misato
Kill myself
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>>135636656

>shinji fucking anyone but Assuka
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>>135635727
Kill the fag

Is this from the blue Rei? Looks great.
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>>135636714
>shinji fucking anyone but kaworu
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>>135635727
As much as it would hurt you inside. You'd have to. We're talking about the human race. It shouldn't end just because you've met the first person to just be nice to you.
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No.
I would have raped Kaworu into submission and made him my sex slave.
That way, no more angel attacks and SEELE can't turn everyone into orange goop. Best end.
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>>135635727
Of course, killing gay people isn't an actual sin.
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>>135636040
>kill
Nah, jsut turn them into tang. Which ended up happening anyway.
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>>135637385
Kaworu isn't gay and he isn't a person.
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>>135635727
Naturally.
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>>135637521
Kaworu is a person. It's Adam's spirit in a human body.
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>>135635727
Smash him faster
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>>135637989
Just because you put an alien in a human body, doesn't mean the alien becomes a person.
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Cry like a bitch
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>>135635727
Jesus why was that scene frozen there for so long? It looked fucking awkward as hell then suspenseful.
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>>135638033
He's a person, he has personality and a human body.
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>>135638307
That doesn't make him a person.
An alien can have a personality, and the human body acts as a vessel. It's not his true body.
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>>135638479
A person doesn't necessarily need to be a human being. Kaworu's human body is a vessel for Adam's soul, but souls aren't human/alien, only living beings are.
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>>135636656
>>135636714
Kill yourselves.
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>>135638589
>A person doesn't necessarily need to be a human being
Yes it does. You wouldn't call a cat a person.

>but souls aren't human/alien, only living beings are
No, there are alien souls and there are human souls.
Kaworu has an alien soul, he is an alien.
Unit 01 has a human soul, she is a human.
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I would've been a bigger chicken than Shinji, no doubt.
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>>135639897
>still scene is for 20 minutes
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>>135639942
>still scene is for the whole episode besides the opening and ending
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I couldn't bring myself to kill a friend.
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>>135641880
I feel that, but even at the expense of the whole world? Even if it meant defying everyone in your life who claimed to care about you?
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>>135642020
Call me a pussy, but I still don't think I would have the balls to do it. Especially if it's a passive non-threatening target.

And if I was in Shinji's position, I probably wouldn't care too much about the world and the people in my life after all they did to me.
I think I'd try to find a way to save both Kaworu and everyone.
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>>135635727
Not be a little bitch
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Everything the same but ejaculate into Asuka's hair instead of my own hand.
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>>135642202
>>135638659
Hilarious. Why leave pornhub tier comments? Just end your life you global 6 abusing shitstain.
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>>135642126
I don't feel the need to, the decision sucks
I feel you on that too, and the fact that he is still so committed to his duty despite all that, so desperate to be correct in what he is doing for everyone is part of what makes me empathize with Shinji and this scene so much
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>>135642020
>and I did it all for the boypussy
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>>135642384
Same, Shinji's hesitance in this scene and his depression afterwards was really realistic and hit me hard. Probably my favorite episode of the show.
If there's one thing that could be improved, maybe more screentime for Kaworu and develop his friendship with Shinji some more.
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>>135638305
I thought my player froze at that scene.
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>>135642696
I agree, every interaction the two of them have are so insightful. They just can't understand each other. Have you read the manga?
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>>135635727
>come out of eva
>fk him the boypussy
>create a new angels
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>>135643328
Yeah, but I didn't really like Kaworu and Shinji's characters there.
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>>135642736
Yes, that's exactly what I thought when this happened.
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>>135643410
>kaworu makes 50 ramiels with your sperm
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>>135643437
What aspects did you dislike? I agree, they were different. Kaworu was almost aggressive sometimes in the way he would address Shinji, and he certainly felt a lot colder and shinji trying to hit Kaworu was very unexpected. Do I need to be spoilering this?
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>>135642384
That's the good part. Shinji's been deciding who lives and dies since the first episode, he was always given freedom to refuse and let it end, and he's not conscious of it as a choice he's making. He's rarely thinking about how much is depending on him to fight and win, just in Decisive Battle, Man's Battle, and here. He won't get in the robot to save the world, but he'll do it for one girl and then consistently chooses to endanger himself for whoever happens to be directly in front of him until here. And then it wrecks him.
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>>135643847
Shinji in the Manga is a lot more aggressive and reactive, he even tries to punch Gendo in one scene.
I mean, I guess some people would like that, but I preferred the more docile Shinji from the Anime. It seemed a more realistic personality to a insecure and depressed young teen.

As for Kaworu, well, his character was so radically different, and thereby his relationship with Shinji that I find it hard to call them the same Eva characters I'm familiar with.
Kaworu didn't tell Shinji he loved him or give him a sense of worth by telling him he's worth kindness, completely erasing any significance and value to their relationship like in the Anime.
There was no sense of friendship there, so there was no reason for Shinji to care about Kaworu or his death. There wasn't any impact to their relationship. Just my impressions and opinion though.

I don't think it was bad, but I can't say I'm fond of it. Not like the Anime.
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>>135644117
Even up until the very end Shinji keeps saying how he won't be friends with the guy. Wish the TV version would have had even just two more scenes with him. More of him and Shinji just hashing it out. It's great hearing him open up the way he does, I wanted more of it
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>>135644533
And then Shinji confesses that he actually loved Kaworu, but we're given no reason as to why since they were fighting with eachother the entire time. It wasn't realistic or relatable. I don't think Sadamoto is good with character writing.

>I wanted more of it
Yeah me too, we learn more about Shinji when he's talking with Kaworu than pretty much with anyone else in the series.
If they were to add in more scenes, I wonder what they would add. I know there are drafts online of the episode.
Though I guess 3.0 answers that question, but I think the portrayal of them in Rebuild is a lot inferior.
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>>135644733
Yeah, I wonder what more they would talk about or if any other characters would be involved. Does Kaworu ever ask Shinji if he has ever loved someone?
The context in that 3rd film is just so off the wall, their interactions felt so contrived at times. Especially towards the end
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>>135645122
I would have liked to see Kaworu interact with other characters like Rei, Misato, and even Asuka.
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>>135645340
Was Asuka not comatose by that point? A conversation between Shinji, Rei, and himself could have been pretty illuminating. He gets that one back and forth with Rei where he says they are the same but it's pretty brief. The two of them deserved some time given their positions
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>>135645678
Yes, but had she not been then I would have liked to see them interact.
I think in one of the drafts they do for a little bit.

I agree Rei and Kaworu should have had more scenes together, we could have learned about the origins of Adam and Lilith and other lore-related stuff.
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>>135635727
Jizzed on Asuka's face or tits rather than on my hand like a fag
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>>135645788
I'm really getting tired of telling anons to kill themselves today.
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>>135635727

Do it, except faster than Shinji did

Fuck it, I only knew the guy for like five days tops, and he's literally going to kill all of humanity. The fuck kind of decision is this?
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>>135645907
Because in those five days he's shown you more love and respect than anyone in your entire life.
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>>135645860
What else am I supposed to do in that situation? My options are to bang my mom, bang a dude, have a revealing character moment, or bukkake the cute redhead
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>>135645745
It would be kind of cool if she came to have affection for Kaworu too, and his death helped put the nail in Asuka's coffin. Hard to say how much she would have been receptive to him given how she is, but what's not to like about the guy? Isn't he basically all the traits Asuka wants to see in Shinji just like he is Shinji's idealized version of himself? If I read that right
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>>135646005
Not make pornhub tier comments in another shitty Eva thread? I really fail to understand what impulse leads retards like you to leave muh dick comments. They're just so worthless.
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>>135645979

No, screw that. He was creepy and homosexual. And how am I supposed to trust his motives in the first place? Even kids my age know people lie for various reasons. He literally got close to me so he could complete his objective. Screw him!

Besides, Misato has shown me twice the love Kaworu ever did. Misato was literally ready to give some sympathy pussy to Shinji. Now THAT'S love!

Respect-wise, Shinji was getting on track back before he fell into the Dirac Sea and got mindfucked. Plenty of people were showing Shinji respect because he was an accomplished Eva pilot.

Kaworu was a shitty forced character who was given way more emotional weight than he deserved.
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>>135646068
>It would be kind of cool if she came to have affection for Kaworu too, and his death helped put the nail in Asuka's coffin.
He was forced enough as is, spare us your fanfiction. Manga had their interaction correct.
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>>135635727
Trying to make sense of what the fuck is going on probably.

If a guy I knew suddenly declared himself to be an angel and started blabbering about being the son of Lilith and the destiny of humanity and whatnot I'd figure it might be the point for some clarification.
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>>135645907
What if thats guy give you an affection more than anyone do you ever meet? Would you kill him easily?
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>>135646246
Kaworu and Shinji's? What did you enjoy about it?
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>>135646224
You sure didn't understand why Anno created Kaworu, anon..
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>>135635727
Would would I have done the one person who shows me unconditional love and support? Not kill them that's for sure. Fuck the world. Shinji Ikari: Even at his lowest moment he STILL, somewhere deep down had hope for the future. Why else would he kill Kowaru?
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>>135646657
No, Asuka's disdian for Kaworu.
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>>135646224
I guess you're free to your own opinion, but Shinji obviously had a reason for loving Kaworu and not anyone else in the show.
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>>135646566
Expositing without context to people who aren't listening is half his life, you'd just get more.
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>>135646770
>>135646246
Asuka originally had a crush on Kaworu in the drafts, if I recall.

Manga Kaworu is a different character.
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No, maybe I'll do same things with Shinji in Neon genesis Evangelion game in ps2, where Shinji can save Kaworu from his choice and being kissed by Kaworu and everyone didn't death when he saved Kaworu.
The one who made this scenario is Anno.
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>>135642126
Pussy.
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still not seeing how anyone gives a shit about this trainwreck. Especially after I learned Anno had a bitchfit weebs and neets didn't agree with his ending.
Or how he basically used Eva as a giant soapbox to whine about his depression.
Or how little fucks he gives about eva at all now.
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>>135646770
Yeah, she was so put off by him the whole time. Him being her replacement didn't help
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>>135646627

Yeah? I'm a human, he wants to kill all humanity. The fact that he played nice with me in order to accomplish his goal doesn't mean I'm going to let him accomplish his goal.

>>135646773

Yeah, the reason is "bad writing."
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>>135646834
And what a shitty idea if so.
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>>135646834
Which draft is it?
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>>135646224
>so he could complete his objective
That's fanwank. Kaworu met Shinji out of curiousity, it had nothing to do with his objective.
He could have completed it without even talking once to Shinji.

>Plenty of people were showing Shinji respect because he was an accomplished Eva pilot
Isn't relying on the Eva to get respect and affection from people one of the things the show berates Shinji for?
It's not supposed to be a commendable thing, it's escapism.

>Kaworu was a shitty forced character who was given way more emotional weight than he deserved
I think he should have gotten a bit more time in the show, but I don't think he was forced or shitty at all.
It makes sense and is a really good idea too have the last angel be someone close to the MC. It also drives home the point that both the angels and the lilin are one and the same.

I think had you been in Shinji's position maybe you would have understood why Shinji acted the way he did.
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>>135646893
I thinks if you're Shinji, he won't even want to played nice with you.
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>>135646893
He didn't play nice with him to accomplish his goal.
He played nice with him because he genuinely wanted to.

And I don't see why you think it's bad writing, but if that's how you really felt without bias then who am I to stop you.

>>135646926
The first one.
But then she starts shipping Kaworu and Shinji together for some reason:

>GIRL A: That Ikari's such a leech. He's just hanging all over our dear Kaworu.
>GIRL B: They even shared an umbrella home yesterday.
>GIRL C: (To Asuka who's next to her) Hey, Soryuu, don't you have suspicions about Kaworu and Ikari?
>ASUKA: Well, I mean, they are an item after all.
>GIRL A: You mean, they're…… you know?
>GIRL B: Huh, I don't believe it.
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>>135646068
Asuka's seiyuu said Asuka needs someone like Kaworu, but I don't know.
I think Asuka just needs a friend, not a lover.

I think shipping Kaworu with anyone but Shinji is kinda stupid considering he's only romantically interested in Shinji in the canon and vice versa for Shinji.
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>>135646893
You're just an homophobic or Kaworu haters, didn't you? Are you want to rewacth all over NGE's episodes before replying this thread? You sure didn't understand Shinji personallity or even why Kaworu approaching Shinji.
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>>135647311
Don't respond, he's trying to bait rather than have civil discussion.

It's pretty ironic that he's calling Kaworu the homosexual one when Shinji was acting way gayer than him that episode.
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>>135647307
Nobody needs someone like Kaworu unless they just can't kill themselves alone. That's his support.
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>Character is introduced, becomes beloved, turns against the protagonist, and is killed in one episode
>People actually like this character

lmao kaworufags
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>>135637425
Anyone who is willing to face the world can be rise out of the LCL blood-oceans post-Instrumentality. An angel initiating these events will not have a lillim-centric conclusion.
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>>135647553
How do you know?
We're never given any information on how an angel initiated instrumentality would have gone down.
Kaworu giving his angel children emotional therapy? I doubt it.
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>>135647163
I thought you had something I hadn't seen before. That's just her being sardonic.
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>>135635727
I'd end myself by fusing with the Eva.
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>>135647679
I guess so, but I don't see what her motive was in spreading that rumor.
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>>135647485
I'm sorry you feel that way, but I understand Kaworu isn't for everyone.

Much like every character from Eva, it's usually a hit or miss for most viewers.
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Do nothing, ran away to just fuck up my moms plan
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>>135647311
>You're just an homophobic or Kaworu haters, didn't you?
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>>135647311
Hiro-tan? Is that you?
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I just want to post that all reifags need to be beat with metal pipe to get some sense knocked into them. They are truly vile and disgusting
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>>135638305
To save money. I'm not kidding.
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I wouldn't get on with Kaoru like shinji did so killing him would be easier.
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>>135646627
I'm ugly and fat, so Kaworu wouldn't be nice to me or tell me he loves me.
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>>135649744
Kaworu loves everyone no matter what they look like.
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>>135635727
AND IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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>>135650003
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>>135650091
You repeat yourself.
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>>135649167
I agree.
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>>135650334
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Honestly I hate the "shinji is a pussy" thing that gets thrown around by people that don't understand Eva

He is a clinically depressed teenager with the weight of the world on his shoulders.
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>>135651163
Same.
Good thing it's only repeated in the western fanbase, and not the Japanese one.
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>>135637521
>Kaworu isn't gay
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>>135646224
>got close to him so he could complete his objective
Watch NGE
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>>135652130
He's not gay, he's Shinjisexual.
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I'd tell him I'm not going to be anyone's puppet and demand an explanation on what the fuck is going on with the angels, SEELE, the impacts and all that jazz. He refuses I'll hold him hostage with my mile tall robot, essentially jamming everyone's plans.
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>>135652230

I'm discussing the perspective of Shinji, not as a neutral viewer who fully understands the situation. Why would I not feel used by him?

And even if that point wasn't correct, I don't see why "he was nice to me" should outweigh "he wants to destroy literally everyone."

He's a shit character, deal with it.
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>>135653009
The thing is if you were Shinji you wouldn't care about the world.

Shinji didn't give a damn about the world, he only piloted the robot because he thought it would make people care about him.

Somebody comes along who seems to actually care about him, and he did feel betrayed which is obviously why he went through with killing Kowaru in the end.
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>>135653009
From the perspective of Shinji, Kaworu was a better person than him and should have survived.
He was someone that Shinji loved despite Kaworu betraying him and revealing himself as an angel.
Shinji didn't care because he loved him.

Kaworu was a god-tier character considering the small amount of screentime he had to work with.
No wonder he's so popular and memorable even to this day. Along with his episode.
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>>135653133
>he went through with killing Kowaru in the end
He only went through with killing Kaworu because Kaworu literally begged and asked him to.
I doubt Shinji could have brought himself to do it had Kaworu not wanted to die.
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>>135653160
>Kaworu was a god-tier character considering the small amount of screentime he had to work with.

>A literal Mary Sue in every conceivable way
>Forced drama
>Forced attachment to a character who he's known less than a week
>God-tier

Jesus Kaworufags, get it together.
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>>135635727
>Would you have done it if you were in Shinji's position, /a/?
If I were in Shinji's position, I would have made the decision that Shinji made. Stupid fucking question.
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>>135653344
Nice rebuttals there.
Can you even make an argument without just relying on buzzwords and no evidence?

Shinji's attachment to Kaworu makes perfect sense considering the kind of character he is and what Kaworu did for him. You'd understand this if you watched the show.

Also I don't get how Kaworu is a mary sue when he has obvious flaws. The 'perfection' about him makes sense within the story since he's an angel.
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>>135653344
Not him but for a character who only showed up for like 5 minutes, yeah I'd say he's pretty god-tier.

That's why he's got so many clones in other Anime and almost as popular as the main characters in Eva. He stuck out among the cast.
You don't remember other characters like Kensuke and Hikari getting that treatment, and they've had a hundred times the amount of screentime Kaworu got.
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>>135653451
>Can you even make an argument without just relying on buzzwords and no evidence?

>Character shows up
>He's an double agent that the protagonist is instantly smitten with because reasons and also because he's so noble and self sacrificing he lets himself be killed even though the protagonist is so smitten with him
>His "flaws" just make him all the more lovably tragic
>What a cruel world ;_;

I mean, you can argue that this isn't the literal definition of a Mary Sue. You'd be completely wrong, but that's never stopped people from arguing stupid things before.
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>>135653578
You'd have to argue all the other angels are mary sues then, because those qualities of Kaworu are obviously needed to make him seem angel-like and ideal to Shinji.
He may not be so ideal to others, Misato for example, who doesn't find him perfect but finds him odd.

Kaworu is only a mary sue to Shinji, and he needs to be for the relationship to work. He's supposed to be his ideal.

>instantly smitten with him because reasons
You're directly told why Shinji is in love with him in the episode. Why don't you try watching again?

Look, no one is saying Kaworu is the best character who ever lived, but for a one-episode/one-shot character, he served his role and ended up more iconic than any of the other minor characters (who all got way more screentime than him), so I'd say that in itself is pretty god-tier. For what he is.

Clearly you don't care for him, but that doesn't mean others can't feel differently.
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>>135653578
Also Kaworu is the one who popularized this trope in Anime:
>He's an double agent [...] smitten with him

And it obviously affected the audience and worked if Kaworu and his episode received such popularity, which other Anime have commented on and tried to replicate with their own Kaworu clones.
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>>135653395
Not really.

You are not the same person as Shinji and would react to the same events differently then him.

Granted, what Shinji went through was extremely traumatic so there's no way you wouldn't be scarred by it, but your own reactions and ways of dealing (or not dealing with) the trauma would inevitably be different.
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>>135653741
>You'd have to argue all the other angels are mary sues then

No I wouldn't, because the other angels are not treated as actual human characters in their own right. Kaworu is.

Shinji's being in love with him is literally just writer's fiat.

>Clearly you don't care for him, but that doesn't mean others can't feel differently.

Of course they can. They're just dumb and wrong and have shit taste for reasons previously outlined.
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>>135653918
You're not even reading my posts at this point and just amounting your argument to:
>I don't like him so he's shit and everyone else who likes him!

I'm open to a civil conversation about the character, but you clearly aren't has you're not given any criticisms but just baseless opinions that have already been debunked. Until then I'll be waiting.

Although I really shouldn't be expected much from someone who's this buttbothered by a fucking minor character.
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>>135654001
>but just baseless opinions that have already been debunked

Stating they've been debunked does not actually debunk them. I've outlined why he's a mary sue, you tried to counter by stating that by extension other angels are mary sues. This comparison is obviously ridiculous, and I called it such.

If you want to stop posting, feel free.
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>>135654057
No, I countered by saying the qualities that you consider him being a mary sue for are required since his character is to be Shinji's ideal self, and the angels are supposed to be ideal beings. It works within the story.

And even then, it's only mary sue-ish for Shinji, because when Misato seems him, she sees a flawed and odd individual.
The definition doesn't fit.

If this is your only reasoning for why he's shit then that's retarded.
He fills a role, to both the character and the plot. It works for the show and it makes for a very good and iconic climax to the show (at least the angel vs. lilin part of it).
The final angel being a human, and one the MC is close with is a great idea and really makes a good part of why Evangelion is so great.
I couldn't imagine the show without Kaworu as that final boss-like figure.

Shinji being in love with him is given a reason, and is realistic considering the kind of character he has been shown to be throughout the show.
Viewers who are similar to Shinji and relate to him have a good chance of taking a liking to Kaworu and appreciate his significance to Shinji's character arc.

You obviously don't, so you don't get his appeal, which is fine. But you're not everybody.
Considering how popular he is and his episode, his expies and references in other Anime, and whatnot, others feel the same way as I.

Eva is a personal work after all, and so people will take their own away from it.
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>>135649167
Eva waifuwars are serious shit, huh.
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>>135653009
Shinji/I would feel betrayed because he got close to me without telling me he's an angel, knowing I would eventually have to kill him, thus causing me pain.

From Shinji's perspective he was the nicest person he ever met. Everyone else is a cunt that causes him pain.
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>>135638701
>Angels came first to Earth
>They're still the aliens
How wrong can be a person?
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>>135655351
Doesn't it still make them aliens since they aren't originally from here?
I guess the only non-aliens on earth would be rocks or something.
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>>135635727
I can't answer such a question outright.
If what I had to do is to make this decision for Shinji and Shinji would be the one to live with it afterwards, it would be the same one.
If I were to replace Shinji from that point on, I would kill the Angel named Tabris without hesitation as he means nothing to me as a person, but threatens my life and/or existence.
If I were to replace Shinji from the very beginning... I don't know if I would even make it to that point or what my mental condition would be, if the story would follow similar path at all.

BTW, Rei-III can fly under normal conditions?..
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Is this the Kawoshin thread?
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>>135655842
It is now.
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animate
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>>135655464
It's possible she only found out then after drawing similarities between herself and a guy who started showing superpowers and it was all just right there and fluent as soon as she thought to try. Or it's one of her ghosts. She gets especially weird after that, anyway, I think she spent the whole week exploring Terminal Dogma.
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>>135635727
Shove him down the Eva's throat and gain the ultimate power
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>>135643847
>What didn't you like about the manga
Kaworu being an edgy cunt and decapitating a kitten for no reason
Also, the manga sucks dick
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>>135656398
Manga Kaworu is only liked ironically since he's technically retard moe.
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>>135635727

Absolutely, although it probably would've taken me at least as long. Much as he is a creepy-ass homosexual, he's also one of my only friends, right?
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>>135638305
It would maybe have symbolize Shinji's feels and we have to be aware, listening to the music.
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It's been twenty fucking years
Can we stop having daily threads about NGE
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>>135657220
No
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>>135657220
Why?
It's fun, and there still are people who haven't watched it even a year ago.
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>>135657220
It's been twenty years and you are still asking? I guess some people never learn.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3-8GstXOD8
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did any anime series depict the future better then eva
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>>135658999
yes
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>>135652299
And the tumblr gender counter just went up by one.

You can only be shinjisexual if you are an angelkin though
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>>135635727
I'd rather be in Kaworu's position doing Shinji.
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Crush the little shit.
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So I watched the whole anime series years ago, What should I watch next? Are the movies canon?
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>>135664063
Story is different, but I think as it's still official it's still at least somewhat canon.
Watch them anyway.
If you're canonfag, chances are you won't like them, though.
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