>ships get destroyed from 1 hit by the thousands

>>135611364
No technically true since they have shields.

Using freezing aerosols to suture mortal wounds is even more fantastic, really.

hey should I pick this shit back up, I watched like 10 episodes or something and nothing interesting happened.

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>Oh, by the way, all those ships you saw blow up every episode for tens of episodes? This is what was going on inside them
>Hundreds of thousands die in every minor battle

>>135611477
Is there a webm anywhere of the guys getting fucking melted? That bit was a brutal as fuck

>>135611476
nothing happens for like 30 eps

>>135611477
I really wished they showed more indoor perspectives of the battles, as unsettling as they are.

>>135611538
>nothing happens for like 30 eps

lies, a shit ton happens within that time

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What's that? the enemy has 1000000 more fleets than us?

LMAO bitch just watch me making a square formation.

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I think Frederica was turned on by murder.

>>135611999
but not before capturing them in a pincer movement

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>>135611999
bitches love formation D

>>135612114
damn she was a slut.

>>135611999
>In this situation conventional wisdom and military strategy says to do this. What do you think Yang?
>Then we will do the opposite.
>But Yang that's crazy!
>Exactly, nobody would expect the enemy to do something so contrary to established military convention, so it's guaranteed to work!
And lo and behold, it works. Every time. Every single time.

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Best girl won best boy.

>>135611477
That whole sequence was great, it's great to see how gruesome every grand fleet battle was.
>>135611553
I want to see ground combat, taking over planets just through orbit seem strange to me.

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Best admiral coming through

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>>135612265
good taste

>>135612228
Well most of the planets being fought over were on the frontier. The people there were very poor, the planets had nothing by way of defenses so they had no way to fight off invaders in orbit even if they wanted to. Which most of the time they didn't, since they were used to being passed back and forth between the Empire and FPA. It made very little difference for them which side controlled their orbital space since neither held them long enough to make any major infrastructural changes to the planet's surface, they mostly were just concerned with holding the planet as a strategic location for their fleets to resupply.

When you get into the later wars though, after Reinhard is running things, people have pretty much no reason to resent him ruling them. Most people welcomed Reinhard with open arms so there was no need at all to pacify the population. It was only on Phezan and Heinessen where there was real resistance to the Empire, since both planets were home to the former governments of those nations you had a bunch of people there who lost a great deal of power when Reinhard took over.

Ordinary people mostly didn't give a shit when their government transitioned from democracy to autocracy, and really despite losing the ability to vote and determine the affairs of their nation they were happier under Reinhard.

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>>135612265
Mecklinger is a great guy, but Bittenfeld is my favorite after rewatching the series.

>>135612185
But he died.

>>135612483
There was that one episode where the FSA fuck up that peaceful town with a tank

>>135612557
There were a few terrestrial scraps but they weren't the norm. The ones I mainly remember were later in the series. Though during Oberstein's scorched earth retreat plan during the FPA's invasion there were riots and such on the planets "liberated" by the FPA's fleet.

>>135612594
I wish they'd shown more stuff of the pre-imperial wars

>>135611476
Around episode 15 is when the breaks don't work anymore. When they play Dvorak's New World Symphony, you're in for a heck of a ride.

>>135612228
The first half of A Hundred Billion Stars, A Hundred Billion Lights and Silver White Valley OVAs features ground combat. The Disgrace OVA features Kircheis going kung fu in zero gravity.

>>135612638
You mean before the Goldenbaum dynasty? Back then there wasn't really anybody for the Federation to go to war with, just a bunch of roving pirate gangs. Yet the pirates still managed to whip the asses of everybody the Federation sent after them until Goldenbaum came along and wiped them all out.

>>135612483
I can understand why there wouldn't be ground combat along the frontiers and when Reinhard was liberating the FPA planets from an inefficient and corrupt goverment, but it's just strange to me that we barely get to see any ground military forces anywhere - the only well armed infantry we see are the Rozenritter and they're suppose to be use in ship boarding action, all other soldiers are just naval infantry and polices. I don't think we even see any generals, just admirals.
>>135612873
Aye, I've watched those. It was good to see the ground forces of both the FPA and the Empire's side, I just want to see some of that in the main series.

>>135613154
Think of it logistically. You have a fleet that can only carry so many men and so many supplies to feed and equip them. You need lots of soldiers just to operate your ships and fight in the space battles.

Troops for occupation and landing operations would require their own special transports, their own dedicated supply lines, and their own dedicated command structure tied into the main fleet hierarchy. And all this for securing a planet that can't really fight back after you conquer it because they have no militia or planetary weapons capable of shooting down a ship in orbit. There's virtually no danger in leaving a newly conquered planet at your back because they can't rise up and pursue you or anything, and on the other hand invading and pacifying the populace is a serious investment of resources and time.

So do a simple cost-benefit analysis there.

>>135613099
Well they had the Sirius war

>>135613430
That did have some terrestrial action, but it was mostly just huge massacres of civilians. What decided it was the orbital bombardment of earth, which goes to show that planetary occupation is for losers.

>>135611364
Space is huge, the amount of distance between each ship must be massive, it's not unthinkable most attacks miss.

>>135611477

Was there ever enough time for that to happen? From what I saw (just the movie so far to be fair) one hit is usually enough to make the ships explode almost instantly. There didn't seem to be much in the way of glancing blows.

Is LoGH "The Wire" of anime?

>massive scale
>enormous cast
>big focus on realism, lack of plot armour
>everything shown from multiple perspectives, no clear 'good guys'
>dialogue between characters that actually feels real
>series does not hold your hand in guiding you through the story
>almost untouchable status given to both series by fans

>>135611477
>why can't I hold all these guts

>>135614262
the wire is shit desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLpgxry542M

>>135614262
>big focus on realism, lack of plot armour

You're delusional if you think this remotely applies to LOGH.

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>>135614326
You're shit.

>>135614485
Okay, not super realistic (dumb ass axe combat, etcetera), but still far more realistic than contemporary anime in the same genre. Barring out the goofy combat, I'd say the majority of elements (politics, character interactions and general worldview presented by the show) are pretty damn honest and realistic.

I'm not sure how you can deny the lack of plot armour. Major fucking characters die all the time, and Dusty makes a quip about how other anime would likely bring them back to life.

>>135614262
>big focus on realism
I was assuming this thread was about all the dumb shit in it, like not being able to fly through a majority of space, a death star ripoff with a magically levitating surface of liquid metal, manned fighter craft, axe fights, fully pressurized warships that no one wears a space suit inside, gravity in the ships, etc. Well, it's not hard sci-fi but the characters are the focus and it's realistic in that specifically.

>>135611999
Yeah Yang's fleet just magically holding up against enemy for days or over a week when the enemy outnumbers them almost 10 to 1 is just retarded.

>>135614623
Most of what you listed wasn't particularly retarded except the lack of use of 3D space (although they do use it occasionally). The axe shit was because of those weird reflective armour that meant lasers did jack shit.

>>135614700
They could design railguns or deadly robots since it's the future rather than regressing to medieval technology. They didn't because it's not trying to be realistic, it's a space opera with historical flavor.

>>135614696
the whole idea of WW2 styled strategy and combat in space is laughable just accept it and not think about it too much

>>135612183
>In this situation conventional wisdom and military strategy says to do this. What do you think Yang?
>Then we will do the opposite.
>But Yang that's crazy!
>Exactly, nobody would expect the enemy to do something so contrary to established military convention, so it's guaranteed to work!
>And lo and behold, it works. Every time. Every single time.

I´ve only watched up to the Iserlohn infiltration (included), but it kind of makes sense. Both sides in the war have been fighting for so long and been corrupted so deeply by politics that chances are most high-ranking officers are political animals rather than true fighters, and therefore have no real idea of what they are doing, or why, when it comes to applying tactics.

There are examples in history of generals doing the unconventional thing and winning because their opponents had been so fixated on standard tactics, that when faced with a new situation, were unable to respond to it effectively.

Whether this would be easier to do in space combat than in ground combat, and what rules would apply, that I do not know.

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>>135614574
>than contemporary anime in the same genre.

But the only anime in the same genre are shit like Space Yamato Battleship, Gundam, Macross, etc etc which are all aimed at kids to sell toys.

Isn't that putting the bar a bit low? For example if you compare the elements of politics, character interactions, and general worldview from LoGH with say, Johnny Ridden manga, it would lose out very easily because side by side, Gopp is already a far superior parasite than Trunicht/Rubinsky/Lang put together and has enough of an understanding of the world to actually give you the suspense of disbelief that he managed to crawl his way up the social ladder, yet he isn't some immovable mountain but just a cockroach in the cast. In LoGH the 'evil' politicians only look capable of holding their seats because the common man is a mongoloid.

Let's not even try to compare it with something like Ravages of Time. If Chen Mou wasn't a chink and made the series about white guys battling in space the entirety of /a/ would be sucking his dick right now and for the next 20 years claiming it's the spiritual successor of LoGH and that anyone that doesn't like it is too stupid to get it.

>I'm not sure how you can deny the lack of plot armour.

People dying because the plot demands it =/= lack of plot armor. Almost every major character that dies in LoGH dies for some kinda dramatic impact for the episode. You will never have an admiral stick with the show 50+ episodes only for him to die and his death is glossed over in favor of something more important going on. It doesn't happen.

Even mother fucking admiral Fisher Price who has less than 10 lines of dialogue gets a wikipedia entry of dick sucking commenting on how important he was behind the scenes after he died and how Yang was pretty much fucked from here onward, yet you can't even tell if the guy was married or not because that's how little presence he had in the show.

>"Hey the Yang fleet is reatreating!"
>"It's possible it's a trap"
>"Let's just rush in anyway"

Magician Yang!

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>>135612543
He's also immune to suicidal odds. Just like Poplan. Just like Katerina. Figure out the pattern? All gingers.

>>135618155
Didn't the Black Lancer even almost blow up Hyperion in one of Yang's battles? They did also really blow it up in the final battle.

>>135616439
>>135618069

>Supposedly 'smartest' guy in the Empire
>Supposedly impartial
>Supposedly always cautious
>Makes changes that allows Kircheis to die just to uphold a silly rule in enemy territory instead of bringing this up earlier/later back home
>Has spies for every fucking admiral in the cabinet
>Has no spies for Lang and doesn't suspect him even once allowing Lang to fuck over Reuenthal bringing the empire to civil war

In contast

>Bittenfeld fucks up by charging Yang
>Bittenfeld destroys Bucock by charging
>Bittenfeld kills Fischer by charging

Night and day difference.

>>135618434
>>Has no spies for Lang and doesn't suspect him even once allowing Lang to fuck over Reuenthal bringing the empire to civil war
He let Lang and Reunthal move freely by purpose to eradicate the remaining anti-Kaiser factions.

>>135618434
Bittenfeld also kills Merkatz by charging.

>>135618402
A few times yes, but that speaks to his effectiveness at offense, not his survival rate. Bittenfeld is ironically, on-screen, the most capable admiral right after Yang/Kircheis/Reinhardt having the most achievements under his belt.

If you bothered counting them on screen one by one as you watched, you would see he actually surpasses even Mittermeyer and Reuenthal as far as battle goes, but since most of his greater achievements belong in the latter half of the series when Yang comes out of retirement, and the Twin Stars were spoon fed a strategy for saving Reinhardt + winning the war, it's obvious why he never got to be Fleet Admiral.

Well, that and there's no way the author could keep him as the invincible fucker he was if he was made a fleet admiral. Not unless the author allows Poplan to start shooting flagships and pop them like the balloons they are instead of wasting time dog fighting.

>>135618514
>Spies somehow prevent someone from moving freely

Nigger are you telling me the spyware on your computer is preventing you from watching porn now? Does Steam delete your Oberstein nudes?

>>135618552
If we keep listing all of his achievements on screen, it's only going to make everyone else look retarded. As I said, gingers in LOGH are invincible. The difference between FPA and Empire is that 2 gingers are stuck in a mere x-wing, the other commands a fleet of black dildos.

>>135618514
That's not how spies work anon. You're thinking of house arrest. It's not spying if the person knows about it.

>>135618434
>Has no spies for Lang
I think he must because at one point it comes up that he's aware Lang's conspiring with Rubinsky. How would he know if he wasn't watching the guy?

That said, his decision to reinstate Lang in the first place seems inexplicable to me because the man is obviously a self-serving bottom feeder and doesn't seem to do a single useful thing for the empire in the entire series, so I agree with your general point.

>>135618702
It is still spying. The key is you know you're being spied on but not who the spies are.

>>135618707
>he's aware Lang's conspiring with Rubinsky

Only slightly. He doesn't have enough dirty bits to find out where Rubinsky is, otherwise he would have wiped him out.

Instead of interrogating Lang and nipping the problem in the bud, he instead uses poison to fight poison, except the entire concept isn't meant to be used when both poisons are in your own fucking body so to speak.

Oberstein genuinely never makes a good on-screen decision, whether it's short term like taking away Kircheis' gun, or long term like letting Westerland get bombed instead of just streaming live of their efforts to intercept the nukes with lasers which would ya know make huge explosions for everyone in Westerland to see.

But no, obviously having an entire planet die so much more significantly convincing than saving an entire planet that choosing the latter would only earn Reinhard a trivial amount of support. Ya know, despite Westerland obviously having the means to communicate with the rest of the Empire one way or another cause they aren't hermits.

The author created Oberstein as literally the one guy who is always wrong, but because he appears to be cold and calculating, you mistake him for being competent when all he does is take edgy risks instead of safe bets which is what cold and calculating is meant to do. He goes OUT of his way to stir shit up just so he can act more Machiavellian.

Which is why his foil, Bittenfeld, gets the author's favor. Because he's the exact opposite. He doesn't do any of that shit. He bets his life to perform his duty the best way he knows how. And guess what? He gets rewarded for it. He won at life. Same with Mittermeyer vs Reuenthal.

That's why what I said earlier about the plot armor holds true. The people who die that aren't cannon fodder usually die to make a high-handed statement. Only fodder die random deaths.

>>135618720
Don't pick at semantics, you know exactly what I'm getting at. There's no way Lang would know he is being spied on if Oberstein was halfway competent at his job, which entails recruiting and training proper personnel for his delegated tasks. If he can't even do that he shouldn't have bothered letting Lang go free and just make his own subordinates do the dirty work and take the fall.

Once again, proving he's fucking useless.

>>135618942
Yeah, I don't really disagree with any of that. I just wanted to point out he was probably spying on Lang too.

>>135619050
In a very poor manner, I admit you are right.

>>135611364
>1 laser is all it takes to destroy a ship
>tiny fighter jets can also fire those same lasers or lasers strong enough to blow up flagships
>somehow instead of the battles evolving around aircraft carriers it turns into musket fire and a bunch of flies buzzing around them
>muh Napolean

>>135619190
iirc all the battleships' lasers are mounted on the front so a single fighter could probably fuck up the shit of an entire formation since they can't turn as fast or risk 1HK friendly fire. It's weird the fighters were included since they're so overpowered yet rarely used.

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>most of the series is the ships blowing up into dust
>the few "gory" scenes are people holding their faces or getting crushed with little to no blood
>hell, even when admiral what's-his-face loses an arm, there wasn't that much gore
>suddenly, out of no where

I'm 65 episodes in and I still don't give a shit about Julian

>>135619190
>Space is three dimensional
>Still somehow can't move when enemy is in circle around you

>>135619325
Maybe with the distances between ships, fighters would take too long to get around

Either that or most of the fighters spend more time fighting other fighters to keep them from getting to the ships

>>135619429
he's the worst part of the series

>>135619396
>hell, even when admiral what's-his-face loses an arm, there wasn't that much gore
That's because it was amputated off screen to stop poison from spreading, not blown off or anything. Unless you mean the second time, in which case there's no gore because it's already a prosthetic arm.

>have clearly super-advanced space technology
>have retardedly up-close naval battles with claustrophobic and typically planar battle formations
I just can't. I can't take any of that seriously.

>>135619523
I was actually wondering about that, why did they amputate up that high? I thought he got cut on the forearm.
I may be wrong

>>135619325
>iirc all the battleships' lasers are mounted on the front

I don't think so, I remember Julian camped on the side of a batleship, one of the turrets turned around and tried to shoot him, forcing him to either shoot it or dodge and basically blow up the ship he was hiding on.

That was like the first battle we saw Julian take part in on a fighter jet, but that doesn't change what you said at all. Those turrets moved so damn slow Poplan could in theory take out the entire fleet before the enemy could even get a lock on him regardless of how many chase him like you said cause of friendly fire.

It was just a tacked on sci-fi element, like the storm troopers with axes. The author is has great strengths in writing, but he's not like modern Japanese writers that are well-rounded enough to make sure these kinda glaring plot holes don't exist.

That's why while even if you searched all of Japanese novel history from the author's generation and backwards, you wouldn't see anything as autistic as say, Overlord which goes into essay detail on world building just to tie it in with why some character thinks X instead of Y. It was a different time back then, things were more simple.

He's still most certainly one of the best writers for his time, but if you ever read Titania and Arslan you'll see how his age prevents him from learning new tricks and improving. Arslan gets by better because it's a fantasy setting, but it's still got that same 5% magic bullshit 90% silly politics 5% hilariously distorted combat.

If LoGH was made today as a 110 episode OVA, aside from the QUALITY, you would see Poplan and the Rittenreiters pulling Daryuns all over the place, which is ironic because the Denka of the series is on the other team and there's no idol mascot for the FPA.

I'm also not sure how Bittenfeld can be animated to Denka either. I mean all he does is go forward.

>>135619538
It really isn't even an attempt at sci-fi, more like historical epic that just happens to take place in space. If you think that's too stupid to swallow then it's probably not for you.

>>135619456
This would be an acceptable excuse had we not seen many dog fighting scenes showing how close the ships were to each other. Many times the ships are so close that sudden changes in direction cause them to bump/crash into each other. For guaranteed coverage, look up the episodes that use the corridor as a gimmick, though even when that sandbox doesn't get put into play you can see it very easily.

>>135611477
>his spagetti spilled

>>135619612
Yeah it's kinda like Ikkitousen. 3 Kingdoms with a bunch of high school kids in modern Tokyo may seem like non-sense, but that's just how it is.

>>135619568
I haven't read Arslan, could you explain what or who Daryuns and Denkas are?

>>135611515
>>135619396

>>135619686
Just youtube Arslan Senki Denka on youtube.

>>135619686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCLy38mEcjg

>>135619612
>>135619538
For the last fucking time, the formations are all 3D. Most displays only do it in 2D while the battle itself displays >>135619538
3D positioning like hollow spheres and shit all the time. Further one of the on board displays is 3D way later in the series.
It's done to simplify.
If you're going to be an autist about it be real and do it well enough to pick up on these things.

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>>135612265
I always liked Mittermeyer best, personality-wise. Also arguably the most capable after Reinhart.

>>135619429
That's because he hasn't hit puberty. At least a little after his trip to earth he gets better afterwards. Until then, it feels like you have to put up with his whiny bigboy issues

>>135620460
Kek, that guys such a faggot. Mittenmyer looking at him pitifully was appropriate

>>135618434
>Oberstein saves millions of lives by letting the imperial civil war end months earlier.

I want to make sweet love to Frederica

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>>135618643
>a fleet of black dildos

>>135611364
This anime looks too outdated, why would you even watch it?

>>135621821
Are you retarded or just refusing to read and shit post? Name one piece of evidence that states that streaming live Reinhardt's fleet intercepting nukes would somehow not give a similar effect to Westerland getting bombed.

Oh wait, you can't. You're just self-inserting into Oberstein too hard to understand common sense. If America shot down the planes before they blew up the world trade center do you think everyone would just think it's okay and not invade the middle east?

That's how retarded you are right now.

>>135622101
>getting this mad over a fictional gang bang
Just fuck off already.

If Merica intercepted the planes, it would have impact on the world, just not as much as it did now.

>>135618069
did nothing wrong.

>>135622231
>Can't argue any further
>Spergs out while projecting
>Can't even straw man properly and just chimps out like a nigger

Obersteinfags everyone. Is there any doubt that the most handicapped in the head would feel the most sympathetic to the character that would be killed off through natural selection?

>>135622231

That doesn't change the fact that they would still invade the middle east, which is the equivalent of everyone siding with Reinhardt instead of the other guy. What is so hard to understand and why are you even trying to contest this? You were fundamentally proven wrong are you not mature enough to admit it?

>>135622875
>feeling the need to "discuss" a statement the narrator made

I didn't say it because I thought so myself...

>>135614262
It doesn't have anything to do with The Wire at all. If you want to compare it to anything, it'd have to be any Romance of the Three Kingdoms media.

>>135619783
Denkaman was fucking great

>>135611364
>single small fighter with standard weapons can penetrate armor of big ships, singlehandedly destroying them
>ships in space cluttered even closer to each other than naval ships ever do
>spaceship act like there's no third dimension, and space is small as fuck

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Democracy>>Autocracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGu1Szl74WU

>>135612543
>that fear towards oberstein
why didn't anyone just say fuck it and strangle the man in his sleep? life itself would suck massive dick if i had to fear every bite in my meals

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>>135621236
>implying military-men dedicated to their careers aren't the best type of autist that exists

you're one step away from being a 3DPD loving pleb

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>>135612043
>>135612114
>tfw she got zero screentime after Yang's death

>all disabled ships necessarily explode and get split into their atoms no matter where they are hit
This always bothers me in anime. Whether it's ships or robots, your chances of getting out alive if you're hit even once regardless of your armor and shields gets pretty much reduced to 0%. Might as well strip the armor out and go without life support too. To be fair to LotGH, the ships do have shields that work, but once they're gone the ship will blow up regardless of the place it's hit.

>>135619396
>>135611553
The greatest flaw of LotGH (not counting Mr. Mint) is that it shies away from strongly touching the moral issues regarding combat, of those ordering killing and of those doing it. To his credit he probably left it just there with such scenes for the readers/viewers to draw their own conclusions, but in the end it creates a "you might have killed a trillion people but you made me happy" situation on their end vis a vis the characters. Nobody really minds that most of our beloved characters caused the deaths of hundreds to millions mostly for reasons that are, in the end, pretty trivial and -in the case of many Imperial admirals- simply selfish. Oberstein's small discourse on pride worked well because of that.
Stranger is how the psychological aspect of combat on the level of individuals, especially in the context of ship boarding and fighter vs fighter or fighter vs ship combat, is pretty much not addressed at all. Julian would have been a good vessel to explore those issues, but his reaction to blowing up hundreds of people and later cutting people in half with an axe is basically just "lel".

Why were the Galactic characters so boring?

>>135625721
Because you've got shit taste.

>>135617982
>Let's not even try to compare it with something like Ravages of Time.
Let's not, because actual historical people and mountains of historical analysis, appraisals, criticism and fiction based on those did most of the work that went into RoT.

>>135625641
>The greatest flaw of LotGH (not counting Mr. Mint) is that it shies away from strongly touching the moral issues regarding combat, of those ordering killing and of those doing it.
That side is already touched by many modern and old series. And it's done pretty bad because no japanese screenwrighter or director have been in charge of the squad. And all their attempts of philosophising are pretty shit.

>>135619538
>have retardedly up-close naval battles with claustrophobic and typically planar battle formations
Do you have a single good reason why planar formations don't make sense?

>>135619641
LOGH is basically just 3 Kingdoms in space
The Ravages of Time is a spinoff of 3 Kingdoms
>>135625641
>The greatest flaw of LotGH (not counting Mr. Mint) is that it shies away from strongly touching the moral issues regarding combat
we really don't need anymore rehashed "killing people is bad" """""""""""philosophical discussions"""""""""""""
it's practically the norm in media related to war these days, I would take realistic and well thought out strategy over that any day (not saying LOGH has that, but you can't expect an anime producer to predict realistic combat in a setting centuries into the future)

>>135625769
Reuenthal is the only interesting Galactic character

>>135626283
No.

>>135626283
What do you define as interesting

>>135625834
I wouldn't say that many series do that. Gundam UC trilogy is always mentioned by apologists when there's talk about this, but it actually doesn't do shit.
In contrast, works that are centuries old and that have also been written by people that have "never been in charge of the squad", like Heike Monogatari, do it remarkably well. This also includes characters that don't participate in war, but are still hurt by it. This is no coincidence of course because the tale is a tale of war only superficially and there were other motives in compiling it then just talk about politics and conquest.

>>135625950
We don't really need the discussions if they're going to be rehashed. But the norm in war media is certainly not that, what planet are you even living on? It MIGHT be the case inside Japan, but if you actually looked through all the manga and anime that involve killing you'd probably find a balance of the number of works concerning giving a shit about the act and not giving a shit about the act (by characters themselves, by the story, or both) running both sides of the spectrum from praise/support to condemnation in differing degrees.

>>135625950
You can't have "realistic" tactics (I assume you mean tactics rather than strategy) within a fictional setting. The best you can have is "plausible" tactics. Also, I'd argue that LOGH is given a lot of unsubstantiated criticism in that regard.

>>135626433
It used to be that it was pretty much forbidden to portray war in a good light in Japan because of the WW2 thing. That attitude might have changed in recent years, but Eien no Zero still got massive criticism, as did the Wind Rises. I imagine it was worse during the 80's.

And it's obvious the author just wanted to create a good entertaining read, he didn't want to get involved in any political or philosophical debate.

>>135626555
>It used to be that it was pretty much forbidden to portray war in a good light in Japan because of the WW2 thing.
It may also have something to do with war generally not being a nice thing.

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>>135626555
>Japan's starting to get its Jingoism going again
Yay.

>>135626617
Cmon how many American movies have you seen like Pearl Harbour, Top Gun or other entertainment movies ending in "America fuck yeah!"? Compare that to Japan where pretty much every depiction of war is "It's all horrible, people die, who cares about why the battle was fought, everything's shit, let's not fight".

>>135626555
The Wind Rises' criticism was only in the initial stage, it got over-sensationalized by Western media. It died down afterwards because people realized it wasn't an Imperial Japan apology. Eien no Zero is another story, rightfully or not is up to debate.
Politics and philosophy are obviously a big part of LotGH, so it's unreasonable to think that the author had nothing to do with those. The very existence of the scenes portraying how a ship and its crew die indicates that he also wasn't just not minding this aspect too. However it's possible that he didn't delve much into it because he didn't know how to treat it well.

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Did Yang's contrived plot device death ruin the series for you?

>>135611477
The fact that the guy torn in half is calling for his mom sends chills of fear down my spine

>>135626907
No.
His death made the alliance a lot less interesting, though.

>>135611999
The aboslute best Yang moment was when he shit up Reinhard directly near the end of the second act of the show.
Iirc Reinhard stacked all of ships in a line or something, and Yang just fucking goes underneath them since they were 3D space. And he gets right in front of Reinhard. That shit was golden.

>>135612483
>Which most of the time they didn't, since they were used to being passed back and forth between the Empire and FPA

Pretty sure that's wrong. Unless they something in the Gaidens, but in the main series I think they said that FPA and Empire had been in a Cold/Hot War stasis for hundreds of years neither side ever actually acquiring territory, just blowing each other up at Isherlohn. Makes sense too as one of the underlying currents of the show was each side didn't really understand the other at all. If they kept passing rural planets back and forth, eventually lifestyles and information from the traded planets would filter out into each side.

>>135626775
You must be really unfamiliar with the military action and war movie genre. American depictions generally go the "it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do what has to be done, and you can be sure that it has to be done" or "FUCK YEAH KILL ALL THE ENEMIES" routes, they've been doing that since the very first American war movie.
Other than that,
>Japan where pretty much every depiction of war is "It's all horrible, people die, who cares about why the battle was fought, everything's shit, let's not fight".
really needs some citations because anti-war series as such are actually rare, the sentiment you can find in most depictions of war is closer to "ultimately it's best to eventually stop fighting without exterminating the other guys".

This of course goes for Japanese media dealing with war that is available in English, which is a tiny tiny tiny fraction of what has actually been produced. So it's hard to talk about it globally.

>>135618434
Oberstein was admittedly pretty retarded some times, but all of his plans were for the long term goal rather than the short term. He focused on slowly fucking up the enemy to ensure that there wouldn't even be any people wanting to follow them, or any stragglers. Kircheis dying was also completely Reinhard's fault, since he rushed his dick waving and failed to check the coffin of his former arch enemy that he strolled directly in front of him only a while after he had won.
Bittenfeld succeeds because he's the only one who can get away with charging because his fleet is fucking crazy strong. It's made to be THE berzerker fleet, and succeeds because he doesn't give the enemy enough time to think when charging. Yang's just the only one good enough in quick situations because he specifically studied years and years of tactics and maps out all possibilities rather than waiting then acting. Bucock did a damn good job stalling, but wasn't planning to escape and died like a hero.

>>135619566
It was some funky poison that caused fast spreading necrosis.

>>135619538
>have retardedly up-close naval battles with claustrophobic and typically planar battle formations

They measure effective firing distance in light seconds.

>tfw no other anime can compare to Logh

I hate how the planets are treated as if they're nothing more than cities.

All these brutal scenes illustrates to us how hellish it must had been for sailors during the greats wars trapped below the decks during enemy onslaughts.

>>135626555
>>135626783
Surprisingly for The Wind Rises, while in the West it was condemned by uninformed trogdolytes as a jingoist tribute to a kamikaze plane, in Japan it was condemned for being TOO anti-war and apologetic.

>>135620460
Actually both mittemeyer and the narrator said that Reuental was a better admiral than him

>>135629284
That I can understand since in-universe there is much more land to go around than there are people. A real life example would be Russia or Canada, where beyond a few major cities most of both countries are relatively unsettled hinterland. That and it's easier for a viewer to keep track of a few planet names compared to multiple cities on a single planet over several planets.

>every planet magically has an atmosphere of 78% nitrogen 20% oxygen 1g of gravity 365.25 day orbit and syncronized seasons

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Was he overpowered?

>>135631899
He's practically a space Zhuge Liang, so yes.

>>135611364
My shoes can take a hit from an axe better than that fucking armour and it pisses me off to no end. Plastic can take a hit better than that fucking armor. Its almost guaranteed that with the armor eventually you're gonna run into another dude with an axe. whoever built that armor was a dick of the highest caliber. Who sells that to a military?

>>135611477
>clearly see ship blow up into debris
>shows internal damage

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>>135611477
>>135619396
Meanwhile, in a certain slice of life iyashikei.

>>135631899
He was like Napoleon but with no political ambition.

Nice juxtaposition with Reinhard.
And Merkatz always seemed like a Blucher

>>135626283
He has like a little bit more personality than Oberstein

>>135631420
Why would people live on hellhole planets?
>>135632125
Immunity to normal guns&knives?

>>135631271
>hinterland

Is that actually an English term?
I mean, you don't have the words "hinter" (or "Hintern"), right?

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>>135631104
Mittermeyer is modest by nature also he defeated Reuental in battle, so Narrator can go suck a dick.
That said, Reuental was definitely the more interesting one.

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>>135631899
He was "overpowered" in the same way that Alexander, Caesar or Napoleon were. Military prodigies have always existed.

>>135635218
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/english/hinterland

It's a loanword from German, but yes. Usually used in contexts describing colonial/post-colonial outbacks.

>>135635449
Well when reinforcements arived he had a large upperhand beacuse reuental didnt have many thrustworthy and dependable subordinates. Its also said by the narrator that both he and mittenmeyer knew who the victor would have been if not for that

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Do you think he died as a virgin?

>>135624944
>Merkats and Schneider still wearing Empire garb while singing about Liberty
Did Julian really handwave the fact that those dirty sympathizers were still patronizing the Goldenbaum Dynasty?

>>135637234
Probably. Who knows what other medical repercussions were caused by his disease.

>>135618155
>Narrator kept saying Yang and Reinhard would've been bros in other circumstances
Bittenfeld and Poplan were literally separated at birth. Franz is like what Poplan is going to be when he reaches level 30.

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>tfw you will never be a phezzani merchant

Phezzan best nation. Sieg Landesherr Rubinsky

>>135618434
>Makes changes that allows Kircheis to die just to uphold a silly rule in enemy territory instead of bringing this up earlier/later back home
This is baldfaced libel. Obie was absolutely right and Sieg would've gotten lasered regardless of whether he was allowed his sidearm or not. Instead of focusing on muh Kircheis Privilege they should've had the common sense to scan the corpse and assailant.

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I found Truniht oddly likable despite being such an unrepentant scumbag parasite.

>>135639101
He may have been scum, but he was the realest scum.

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>>135637200
>Well when reinforcements arived he had a large upperhand

Yang would have defeated Mittermeyer with ease if he had Reuenthal's numbers

>>135639594
Yang was less hobbled by honor. He was not above trickery or running from his foes. Which in a way makes Reinhard's consistent victories all the more impressive considering how much it rankled him to retreat and how scrupulous he was about methods in war. Despite all that emphasis on conducting a war honorably he still managed to outfight pretty much everyone.

>>135640191
Yeah but Yang was crippled by his compassion and his obedience to civilian officials. Where Reinhard could act however he wanted, Yang obeyed orders even if he knew it would cost him victories. He literally won the Battle of Vermillion and then was told to stand down because his government had surrendered unconditionally.

>>135612185
In that order?

>>135632143
Not all of them get destroyed instantly.

>>135640318
I agree, Yang was always one step ahead of Reinhard, but his own lack of ambition and lower rank meant usually he could only fight Reinhard to a draw.

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Yang teitoku

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anyone else pre-order the novels coming out in march? Really looking forward to getting mine.

>>135647549
>that pic

;_;

>>135614262
>>big focus on realism
>sci-fi
Nah it was just well produced and well written for a 100+ episode series.
It had problems, namely how the involvement of the Earth Cult progressed in the story, but the pros vastly outweigh the cons especially during rewatches. So many memorable moments.

>>135647549
Is it a re-print in JPN or are they getting released in English countries now?

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english release.
http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Galactic-Heroes-Vol-Dawn/dp/1421584948

>>135648079
meant for >>135648002

>>135648079
>>135648110
Nice

>>135626775
Top Gun didn't even have any actual combat until the very last bit.