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Why Westerners like Tokyo Ghoul so much?

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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-01-01/new-york-times-manga-best-seller-list-december-20-26/.97130

I understand the hype around OPM (heroes) and SnK (human vs giants), but TG doesn't seem to be the kind of series with much mainstream appeal.

The hype began after the anime or comes before that?

I make it clear that neither love or hate any of the aforementioned titles. It's an honest question. Btw, Happy New Year!
The hype began after the anime or comes before that?
I make it clear that neither love hate any of the aforementioned series. It's an honest question. Btw, Happy New Year!
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>>135549209
Are you implying people in japan don't like it either
because you're wrong
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>>135549209
Shit, the text was duplicated. Anyway..
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tumblr + reddit latched onto it.
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>>135549209
Maybe TG is just genuinely good?
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>>135549256
No, I know that the japanese enjoy the manga. I just don't understand what is the appeal to the West.
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It's like you forgot what the appeal of Vampires are, but in this case it's with Ghouls.
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>>135549209
The anime was pretty big in the west.

The manga volumes are in pretty decent quality unlike other shit so not surprised it's selling so well.
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>>135549290
You're killing me here.
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>>135549290
Oh, of course, why didn't I think of that.
Fuck off, faggot.
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>>135549330
Naw it's your elitist shittaste.
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>>135549290
But there are several series that are good and still fail to achieve such success.
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>>135549376
>elitist
>shittaste
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>>135549209
There is literally a tg thread you cancerous shithead. Just hang yourself already. Really just do it and fuck off already
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>>135549209
TG is edgy and westerners like edgy stuff.

And I guess people especially enjoy this manga because it's edgy done right.
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>>135549324
>The anime was pretty big in the west.
Really? I didn't know that. I thought the fans hadn't liked the adaptation.

>>135549321
>Vampires
Good point.
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>>135549376
FUCK OFF ALREADY

Mods just ban these retards already
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>>135549416
Sorry. But, as I posted the link to the sales, the discussion can go beyond.
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>>135549445
Nomalfags like it.
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My sisters boyfriend got me the first and second volumes for Christmas.

Apparently he doesn't know much about that stuff but he heard TG and Attack on Titan were good.
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>>135549436
Blue Exorcist has an edgy theme as well. The series managed to make similar success in the West? I don't remember, so I guess not.
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>>135549436
More like edgy done literally wrong.
>telepoting behing
>shitty antagonist sceams while perfoms a death like scence then comes back
>MC replicates characters and becomes asspull like character
>time skips
>muh gender issues
>muh dark skin
etc etc.
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>>135549558
When the hell did Eto scream faggot?

>teleporting behind

What.
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>>135549436
nice buzzword
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I will kill myself tonight
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>>135549612
>muh gender issues
>skin issues

That's the fan base not the actual manga retard.
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>>135549633
nothing personal kid

Also pls don't show your shit
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>>135549644
Good luck.
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>>135549612
There are no dark skinned characters in TG, that was just Imperial Scans fucking up on all of their scans making characters darker.
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>>135549644
dont do that. dont give up. you're stronger than you think.
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>>135549612
>muh dark skin
you can thank imperial shits for the shitty scans
>muh gender issues
? Its a theme the author has been working on since the first manga
>time skips
>greentext


I'm not even going to bother refuting the rest because I don't think you've payed attention
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TG is shit.
The story literally starts because the MC wanted to fuck a girl and ended up getting the strongest powers pulled out of his ass. Trying to make the reader sympathize with the ghouls or the ones hunting them doesn't work. Who would sympathize with these faggots?

>They killed my wife/husband/friend/whatever, now i have to kill them back!
>I killed them because they killed my wife/husband/friend/whatever first!

Also, schizophrenia MC because of a centipede.
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>>135549682
The muh gender issue is pretty much also in the manga itself, with the huge amount of traps and fucking kanae

Kill yourself
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>series you hate become popular due to widespread appeal
>your favorite series are practically forgotten due to their niche appeal
Life sucks
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>>135549760
Which series?
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>>135549542
>My sisters boyfriend got me the first and second volumes for Christmas
How old are you?
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>>135549682
>>135549718
>>135549736
These are tgfags for you.

No one gives a shit about your translators bullshit issue
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>>135549760
Fuck off faggot. Enjoy the things you like. Don't be a jealous cunt because other series are more popular.
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>>135549612
It seems that the only edgy thing is you.
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>>135549865
Then why are you replying shithead?
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>>135549878
I'm edgy for hating edgy shit? How fucking delusional tgfags are?
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>>135549847
24.
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>>135549753
>kill yourself

Oh wow look at that edge. Do you have any angst teenage issues anon?
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>>135549865
>someone proves one of your points wrong
>"sh-shut up! no one cares! go away!"
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>watch S1 of anime
>it's shit, but you guys said S2 (root A) was better
>watch S2
>it's shit as well, but now you faggots said that the good stuff is in the manga
>begin reading the manga
>it's garbage
Why don't Tokyo Ghoul fans just acknowledge that they have shit taste?
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>>135549903
Because no one gives a shit about them and no one will fucking discuss shit about them.
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>>135549959
The ''kill yourself'' is pretty much /a/ and 4chan as whole

/a/ is edgy but has a different taste. Fucking reverse bullshit.
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>>135549975
>>it's shit, but you guys said S2 (root A) was better

That's where I know you're baiting faggot because everyone thinks Root A is garbage.

Come up with better bait.
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>>135549962
One point and?
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>>135549209
Because it's edgy and pretentious shit. That's why Amerifats and landwhales love it.
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>>135550046
You guys complain about edgy shit yet all you faggots are edge incarnate.

How ironic.
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I dont know really

The setting is meh, the ability / power is so so, and the character development / plot is mediorce at best. I dont even understand why people hype it up so much, got to like chapter 50 or so before i dropped it. Is this another case of "the manga is so shit but i read it for the characters" like shitdaka?

Every characters feel so edgy and shallow
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>>135550052
He literally said it was garbage due tastes not because it was better. Also its literally elfen lied of tokyo
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>>135549946
That's makes it worse than if you were 14. Does he pity you?
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>>135550116
You really not belong to here if you don't understand why and our complaints, even though these aren't complaints but only you
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>>135550153
>of tokyo
I meant these times
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>>135550144
>>Every characters feel so edgy and shallow
That's why tumblr loves it.
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>>135550153
No that anon said that people told him Root A is better than season 1 when the truth is everyone thought it was garbage.

So no the bastard is baiting.
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>>135550217
>You really not belong to here if you don't understand why and our complaints, even though these aren't complaints but only you

Hot damn are you fucking 5? Your grammar is complete shit, then again you're probably a dropout neet.
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>>135550264
Tumblr loves shit like Haikyuu not edge.
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>>135549209
The Western anime/manga fanbase tends to like things that are dark and edgy.
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https://youtu.be/IxYsu-cjQR4
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>>135550334
Literally incarnation of crossboarding or whichever site you came from.
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>>135550388
And whats the point of posting this shit?

Being this desperate because your favorite manga appealing to teenagers?
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What is even good about Tokyo Ghoul? Fights arent good, characters developments arent good, characters arent good, not even the jokes are good and the art looks like a cluster fuck as time passes
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>>135550523
It's Sasuke Uchiha - The Manga, but the fans won't admit that.
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>>135549209
Minus the buzzwords and edge throwing I would just say it's the anime that did a good job of appealing to the west. Before the anime barely anyone knew what it was. Thanks to the anime turning 50 chapters into 12 rushed episodes you get less dialogue and more shounen like action each episode. The manga is mostly dialogue with some action until way later in the series. The anime attracted people, the ending of the anime along with Kaneki getting "killed " in the manga also attracted people. Tumblr now loves TG along with animefags now and the tokyo ghoul fan base even on /a/ is terrible. This is a bait since this question have just been asked in the TG thread but it doesn't even matter now. I love the manga but I hate the people who read it thanks to the cancer it attracts now.
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>>135550480
Stop whining, faggot. It doesn't appeal to you so leave it at that. You're acting like your opinion is relevant in some way.
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>>135550798
>but I hate the people who read it thanks to the cancer it attracts now
It's the new SnK.
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>>135550803
>leave it at that
Leave it then what tumblr rampant and invasions? No I don't think so.
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TG should have ended at TG, :re has been more about le ebic fights and shounen edge while TG was actually amazing and the best manga of this decade in my opinion.
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>>135550869
As someone who loves the manga you are absolutely correct. The threads are do cancerous I don't even bother trying to have a discussion anymore. At least SNK is a monthly manga so it has less threads. TG is weekly so we get daily threads.
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>>135551060
Do you read only snk and tg? Just curious
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>>135549209
edgy teen
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>>135549376
literally babby's first
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>>135551110
Why would I only read two manga. Because I only mentioned these two?
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>>135549445
>I thought the fans hadn't liked the adaptation.
Us manga fans hate it. Edgy teen weaboos ate it up. They aren't watching it for the characters and themes present, they're just watching it because its got "le ebin Cannabalism" and edgy fighting.
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>>135551203
They both always get mentioned at the same time so I got curious
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>>135551364
>Us manga fans
You are pretty new, just throwing it out there
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>>135549753
>with the huge amount of traps and fucking kanae
Yeah, only in the manga its the exact opposite of how tumblr percieves gender issues.

>Mutsuki dresses as a man because she was raped and doesn't want to be looked at like a women because of it.
>Kanae took the persona of a man to continue her family's bloodline that would've ended with the death of her brothers
>Jouzou looks like a girl because a crazy crossdressing ghoul crushed his testes before he entered puberty

If it was the tumblr take on it they'd all be "BORN THIS WAY" and leave it at that.
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>>135549593
>The series managed to make similar success in the West?
Yeah it was actually.
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>>135551478
Just fuck off with your tumblr boogieman already. I'm fucking done with this, you are not even a new poster, even if I hate this IP counter
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>>135551387
they're just similar in some ways. Especially the fanbase.
>monsters that only ear humans
>a super power fighter that's better than anyone else.
>main character has something special about them.
>seinen
>popular after anime
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>>135550264
tumblr loves it because they thought it had crossdressing black people and a bunch of other gender minorities.
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>>135551648
>>seinen
SnK is monthly shonen.
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>>135551125
Nigga I love the manga for Tokyo Ghoul, but that doesn't mean I don't read other good manga like The Ancient Magus Bride, Kokou no Hito, Sanctuary, Luficer and the Biscuit Hammer, Barakamon, Yotsubato, Dorohedoro, Berserk, or other old classics.

You faggots need to stop with the accusing that if you like one manga that means it's your first manga mentality.
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>>135551445
I was implying the people who are specifically fans of the Tokyo Ghoul manga. Just because English isn't your first language, and can't understand subtext doesn't mean I'm new.
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>>135551719
It is? I always assumed it was seinen.
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>>135551646
>tumblr boogieman
Sorry 4chan isn't the safespace your accustomed too. But honestly, if you were in TG threads before and after the anime, you could literally track the amount of tumblrites growing with each passing week. It isn't some boogie man when you can look at the archives and compare the quality of discussion and see the conversations increasingly shift towards gender identity more and more.
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> the mc changes personality like its nothing
> despite the manga called dark still full of death cop outs
> the mangaka showing transphobic tendencies etc
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>>135551852
Nope, just a semi-gory shonen.
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>>135551905
Guess I picked up on the meme that gore=edgy=seinen.
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>>135551946
I bet you thought Akama Ga Kill was seinen
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>>135551982
Now that I think about it, I guess I did. It's shonen too? From what I saw that's just full of shock deaths.
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>>135551648
SNK was popular even before the anime.
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>>135551900
>the mc changes personality like its nothing
>Mother works herself to death for ungrateful family members
>Suddenly has to eat human to survive
>tortured nonstop for several days
>Stabbed through both eyes and into the brain

Yeah like its nothing. The whole point is that Kaneki has always had problems, but as things get worse and worse for him he gets worse at hiding it.

>despite the manga called dark still full of death cop outs
We followed the strongest human characters in the first manga, and ghouls are full of regeneration. Near the end of the first manga and now in RE we've been getting character death out the ass.

>the mangaka showing transphobic tendencies etc
The author doesn't owe anything to you, and it isn't his responsibility to champion your causes.

>>>/tumblr/

>>135551946
That'll get ya.
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>>135551900
>transphobic
Hello Tumblr.
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>>135552067
So was TG. Just not as much so.
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>>135551900
Spotted anime only faggot.
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>>135551900
No, he is not.
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>>135549209
Well modernized vampire story.
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>>135551776
>Just because English isn't your first language
It's nothing to do with English, as I said I just throw it out. You could also call yourself a ''fag''.

And being a newfag doesn't mean you won't learn how this works
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>>135552181
>Vampire connection
Pretty spot on. Vampires are still pretty popular after all.
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>>135552193
Yeah whatever you want to think buddy.
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>>135552220
Weird how Seraph of the end didn't manage to explode in the west then.
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>>135552340
People are tired of straight up vampires.
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>>135550116
Well, I will spoonfeed you since you are this picky, /a/ is very hypocritical massive fag. /a/ loves girls. They love girls in their shows and a lot of girls, and that's why they won't care about this fujo manga. Despite the fact that Akama Ga Kill was an edgy manga, this manga was even more popular in here, since this manga had a lot of girls. Moe or not moe, whichever suits your taste. This is /a/'s taste.
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>>135552340
Yeah you're right. I wonder why aswell.
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>>135551051
I like TG, but I felt that there were too many loose ends for it to truly be a self-contained story.
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>>135550271
this the only thing good from root a was music NOBODY THOUGHT ROOT A WAS DONE WELL
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>>135549290
It's alright, I don't like the shounen shit and wish it spent more on the territorial establishment.

Along with explaining where ghouls come from and how society has managed to sustain itself with these beings who require to eat people to live.

Where?
How many over years?
When did ghouls become known?

All this would go a mile more to making it great, instead they explain a rock paper scissors battle mechanic.
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>>135553239
It's not a sci-fi manga. It doesn't need to explain all of that.
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>>135554716
Yet it went out of its way to explain the Kagune but not the more interesting part.

if it explained where ghouls came from it would be very world building to the kind of problem that is being faced by the characters.
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>avid TG thread poster.
>Come into this thread asking about it's popularity with Westerners.
>Easily most non-toxic, genuine discussion about the series since Takatsuki Sen went to the CCG headquarters.
>Click on actual TG thread in catalog.
>Immediate "my waifu is best and here's why yours is a shit."

TG is suffering. Delicious suffering.
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>>135555139
I think that's one of the secrets that's going to be exposed in the future. Similar to what drove Kanou into abandoning the CCG.
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>>135549209
>I understand the hype around OPM (heroes) and SnK (human vs giants), but TG doesn't seem to be the kind of series with much mainstream appeal.

You seriously think people like OPM or SnK?
Those are memes dude.
Both are absolute trash and you fell hard for the b8.
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>>135555139
Because kagune is more relevant to the characters right now than knowing where ghouls come from. What's the point in knowing? It wouldn't change anything, we can already assume they are just humans that evolved to cope with large amount of rc cells. That's enough.
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>>135555347
I will stand by my opinion that waifufags are the worse thing to happen to the TG threads.
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>ctrl + f edge/edgy
>25 results
You faggots need to calm the fuck down.
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Because it's actually better than opm and snk.
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>>135555399
I hope so,I prefer world building a depth ahead of fighting mechanics.

>>135555467
Relevant to establishing tension of how x fights y.

Because knowing is interesting, just how exactly has society coped, where'd the first ghouls come from?

Did they slowly lose the ability to eat normal food or was it innate?

Ghouls would have to be small in number for there to not have been a mass extermination or hiding a la Parasyte.

I think I have different points of enjoyment from a series.

>>135555522
I don't see any of them as fleshed out enough to be waifuable.
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>>135549436
>And I guess people especially enjoy this manga because it's edgy done right.
No, it's not.
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>>135555347
>genuine discussion
>buzz word in the thread is edgy

stop
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>>135556048
Time to get a few more. Edge edge edge edge edgy edgy edgy.
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>>135555419
>>135556103
The intention was never to create a comparative thread. I just used these other examples because they are on the bestseller list as well.
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>>135556228
It's still not relevant to our characters. Do you think Kaneki gives a shit? Right now he's just going around being " black God of death". We very well may get more information down the line but it's literally not something our characters to worry about. You'd be better off waiting for kanou or Eto to bring it up later.
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>>135556228
I always imagined ghouls as a predatory species that evolved alongside humanity.

Hell, maybe before the recent era there were human tribes that worshipped them as some sort of gatekeepers to the afterlife, or tribal guardian spirits/protective deities that would kill and remove the more troubling elements of human society. Like thieves or murderers.

It's been heavily implied that ghouls are fairly secretive, with most people knowing jack shit about their eating habits and abilities beyond the fact they appparently consume humans.

They probably had a nigh mythical status earlier in the world's history. With ghouls co-mingling with unaware humans. Hence huge ghoul dynasties like the Tsukiyama family.
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>>135549209
Teenagers like to pretend they are mature because they watch cartoons with violence and blood.
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>>135553239
>shounen shit
You know that it's seinen, not shounen?
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Because Westeners loves Twilight.
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>>135549209

>but TG doesn't seem to be the kind of series with much mainstream appeal.

americans secretly want to eat other americans
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>Vampiresque creatures
>well written edge
>"badass transformation"
>its actually imteresting
>young adults/adults characters
>pretty great management of "serious" topics


There are plenty of reasons anon, also a lot of fucking luck.

Yeah,the anime was the main reason why is so popular despite being shit.
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>>135549975
>baiting this hard

Wow!
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Half of these faggots haven't even read Tokyo Ghoul.
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>>135555139
It's not all too unlikely that ghouls started out as humans who overcame the RC cancer, also known as ROS (RC Cell Over-Secretion Disease)

Just because the mangaka doesn't spell it out doesn't mean he doesn't give us enough material to make educated guesses.

I'd even go so far as to say that giving us a lot of meat to make such educated guesses is better than just telling us outright.
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>>135556300

But compared to the waifu faggotry and that one Suzuyafag this is very much welcome.

Buzzword bait thread or not.
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>>135551646
>tumblr boogieman
>so fucking done with this

Sorry, even if you'll cry for your safe space, all we're gonna tell you that one such site already exists in the form of Tumblr. 4chan isn't your personal safe space.
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>>135556790

Are you going to act like TG doesn't have a lot of Shounen elements within it despite being a Seinen?
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>>135556486
You know what else has been on a best selling list?
>Nickleback
>Avengers
>Destiny
Just because a bunch of niggers by something doesn't mean it's good.
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>>135549975
>You guys said S2 (root A) was better

If you're gonna bait, at least bait convincingly.
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>>135549316
same appeal to the Japanese
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I don't know about the rest of the US, but personally the reason I like Tokyo Ghoul is because I have a fetish for anything involving cannibalism.

I know the word "fetish" makes it sound sexual. Which is good, because it is.
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>>135557634
Don't forget:

>lots of properly executed foreshadowing
>tarot symbolism
>flower symbolism

It has a lot of stuff below the surface to look into as well.
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Man, I should do what, according to some posters here, the rest of /a/ does.

Berserk is edgy shonenshit.

I may have never read it, but I still know so because other posters on /a/ told me so.
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>>135558499
What the fuck are shounen elements?
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>>135558777
Apparently, that there are fights in it or something.

I can't even fucking follow anymore. Just seems like there are a lot of underage people on /a/ now who just say stupid shit for the sake of saying it and then like to pretend they're not somehow shitposters.
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>>135558499
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>>135551060
Threads are at their best when spoilers are out, but even then there are shitposters who stumble in.
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>>135558777
>>135558806

Example : When Dr. Chigyo shows up OUT OF NOWHERE and throws Amon the 2 quinque suitcases?

I love TG to death but its fuckboys like you that absolutely tunnel vision for the series that you just cannot accept the idea that the series is just like any other fucking series - it follows themes, tropes, and symbolism that isn't all that so fucking special.
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>>135549209
The writer himself is kinda westaboo. Kafka reference and shits.
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>>135559587
Oh, is it you again? To date, that's the only thing ever brought up. Not saying it doesn't count, but if it's only one thing, I don't think it gets to outweigh the rest of Tokyo Ghoul.
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>>135559481
Is there a delay or why weren't the spoilers posted yet?
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I'm not really sure why I like TG so much

In the original series, I think I liked the mild philosophical questions it asked about what it must have been like to actually grow up as a ghoul in a society of humans. I thought that the shonen aspects were handled decently, with some interesting mechanics for combat. But I felt like the narrative was a little lacking.

RE: I feel like has improved the battle manga elements but has also fleshed out the world more significantly.
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>>135560141
That's because the first part was intended to be essentially a tragedy in the literary sense.
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>>135559587
You fucking retard.
Show me those "shounen elements" in Aria or Yotsubato.
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>>135559587
You're that same fucking anon who always brings that up.
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>>135560141
:re made the series too much of a battle manga, I prefered back when fights weren't happening every couple of chapters.
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>>135549445
they have to watch it to find out right?
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>>135561361
>CCG POV

It's like you forgot Kaneki switched sides and is a investigator that hunts Ghouls. Which is why there are more battles in Re. Whereas in TG, Ghouls had to hide from CCG Investigator.
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