What went wrong?

One is a good well developed character and the other isn't.

Pretty much todays modern tsundere are tsundere for the sake of it and aren't characterized as having nothing else.

>>135387776
>What went wrong?
You are a stupid shitposter and didn't even get quads. Fuck off with this shit.

Tsundere archeotype evolved and got better?

Kirino makes a shift from tsun tsun to dere dere over the course of the series. She's actually a classic tsundere by any reasonable definition.

>>135387899
But this is wrong, though. If you read teh novels or even watched the anime, you'd know why Kirino is so abrasive.

>>135388060
Just don't use those terms at all, they have become completely meaningless. People only use it as "I like x therefore she's classic while y is shit and as such modern". This thread is the perfect example.

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>>135387776
Every canon tsundere in every show save for one is shit

That's whats wrong

>>135387776
otaku

>>135388119

Yes because I would subject myself to a light novel that is about incest love. Top fucking kek.

>>135388233
>shitposts without knowing the series
>against incest
>top kek
As expected.

>>135388233
Well, that's your own preference, but don't pretend to know a character's motivations or the reasons for their behavior if you haven't even read the series. That's pretty silly.

>>135388233
D-do you know where you are?

>>135387776
Both shit. I don't understand the appeal of tsundere, their interactions are almost always the same and the way they overreact over anything it's really annoying.

>>135388314

Who gives a flying blubbery fuck about this incest cunt? Look she wants his dick, that is all I am going to say on the subject.

https://youtu.be/H8Jecscb4vU?t=123

>>135388468
Yeah, she does. And he wants her. But that doesn't mean she's "just a tsundere for no reason". She acts that way for reasons explained in the material.

>>135388818
Ignore him, he's throwing around insults and is against incest in general. Stop bumping this shit thread.

>>135387776
Nothing, what are you talking about? On the contrary, based solely in your image, it got lightyears better. Left is fapbait for otakus, right is a well written character, I wouldn't even put her on the "tsundere" archetype since she have her own personality and way of thinking, but it's more easy to do so.

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>>135388889
>Kirino isn't a tsundere, she has her own personality

TOHSAKA RIN PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY

>>135388882
It's my most hated and loved meme at the same time, for one side I hate people just coming and saying "shit shit shit" and for the other I love how nobody can explain why or just made up things. >>135388914

>>135388818

Humour me and tell me why she is a tsundere.

>>135389044
Well, Kirino is definitely a tsundere, it would be stupid to argue against that. And again, don't bump this shit.

>>135389106
I didn't say she wasn't, but you are right.

>>135389086
She acts abrasive toward her brother because he became someone he's not. She used to look up to him when they were young, and they spent a lot of time together. He always put his best foot forward and was helpful to those around him.
But then the most popular girl in his class got injured when he and her went climbing and the entire class blamed him and treated him like shit. He went to Manami for comfort, but instead of supporting him, she just emphasized what they were saying in a different way. She told him he was average and uninteresting, and that he should stop trying to aspire to be more for himself and those around him. He was depressed, and she she took advantage of it to bring him to her level.
After that, she started monopolizing him and he stopped being the person he was. He ignored Kirino and his old friends and stopped trying to do his best at everything he tried to do. he became a lethargic, apathetic bum who didn't give a fuck. And so, Kirino started to dislike him.

>>135389220
There is nothing worse that looking the person you admire the most reduced to a deplorable state.

>>135389220
You're right about all major things, I only think that Sakurai was not the most popular girl. She used to skip school almost all the time and only started going there for maybe a few weeks before the accident.

>>135389377
Yeah, Kirino legitimately hated him at the beginning.

>>135389404
That's actually a good argument to say that Kirino wasn't a tsundere, she just had a normal development on her feeling from beginning to end.

>>135389674
She went from hating him to kinda liking him to acknowledging her hidden feelings and openly loving him, which definitely fits the general tsundere archetype.

>>135388233
so you shitpost about something without having any knowledge on the subject
I don't know what I expected

>>135389761
Maybe I lost the actual definition of "tsundere" somewhere, and Kirino it's been the only good one in many years. That could explain it, since most of the tsunderes just act "violently" while loving the main character.

>>135389870
>so you shitpost about something without having any knowledge on the subject
This literally should be a banner.

>>135387776
Nothing went wrong. Kirino is a decent tsundere, the anime exaggerated here personality, similarly to Louise in ZnT.

Try reading the LN next time.

>>135389404
>Yeah, Kirino legitimately hated him at the beginning.
At the start of the story, sure. Yet prior the story Kirino's hatred wasn't there, she used to like Kyousuke.

>>135387776
>Rin
>classic tsundere
What the hell. If you're using Fate, Saber is the classic tsundere.

>>135390626
I hope you're joking.

>>135390626
>Saber
>Tsundere
Saber is a 100% Shirouboo as soon as she's summoned.

>>135390768
>Saber is 100% shit.
FTFY

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>>135391236
No.

Nothing, Kirino is a perfection and a miracle of the universe.

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Filicide.

>>135392729
>Didn't even give Mordred the honor of dying by Excalibur
Truly the worst of heroes, kings, and fathes

>>135392729
Keep the /vn/ memes on /vn/ please.

>>135387776
>tohsaka
>classic tsundere
fucking fatefags

>>135392952
I K I K O I
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>>135387776
Both are terrible sisters.

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>this thread

>>135387776
>What went wrong?
Well, thinking Rin was a tsundere was your first mistake.

>>135392969
Hello newfriend :^)

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>>135387776
>strongly hostile for more than half the story until gradually moves to dere
>has real development
>implying not classic
Moron.

>>135388249
this

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Just posting top tier tsundere, don't mind me.

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>>135396175

>>135387776
That image is factually incorrect. A classic taundere is one who starts the show tsuntsun and eventually transitions into a more deredere role. An example would be Madoka from Kimagure Orange Road. A modern tsundere flip flops between the two. Tohsaka and Kirino are both modern taundere.

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If Kirino is modern then so is Rin.

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>>135396175

>>135396385
>tripfag
>utterly retarded
How very surprising.

>>135396385
They are both classics, you dolt. A real modern tsundere isn't as common as some people think they are. Fumino from Mayoi Neko Overrun is a prime example of modern tsundere who alternates between tsun and dere from start to last. Chise who is from the same series is a classic tsundere contrasting to Fumino.

These terms classic and modern that suggests a contemporary difference is what's truly factually incorrect. Both tsundere that have a steady tsun to dere progression and those that who switch to tsun and dere frequently have existed for a long ass time. Japan doesn't have this "classic" and "modern" segregation that we have, which is built on misconceptions to begin with.