2003 was superior to Brotherhood >better pacing >better

Don't forget the superior orchestral soundtrack, OP.

Votes:
2003: 2
Brotherhood: 0

>>135319238
they were both garbage one had a shitty ending and another had out of place comedy

stop bickering about entry level shounen garbage that 90% of this board has already seen and watch something good/

Yeah you're right I can't prove you wrong it was much better.

>>135319297
Yeah, and the OPs and EDs were better too. Brotherhood had some good ones, but 2003 had Ready Steady Go, Rewrite, and Kesenai Tsumi.

>>135319238

>Debate

are we reddit now?

>>135319238
Manga>03>shit>Brotherhood

>>135319704

This kid thinks neo-/a/ is better than reddit. Heh. /a/ had bigger fall from grace than durarara.

>>135320002
>neo-/a/
Go back to wherever the fuck you came from.

>>135320087
I can't go back. /a/ doesn't exist anymore.

>>135320002
Says the redditor

also

>durarara
>fall from grace

If you didn't already see it for the overrated tripe that it was, that's your fault. Durarara was always trash.

>>135320123
Epic, /b/ro!

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>>135319238
Nice reddit thread you got here, op

>>135319238

I watched them both back to back and thought 03 was unquestionably better. I honestly think having the brothers both whole but in separate dimensions was a better ending than having them both become whole and then going their separate ways (what the fuck were they thinking with this).

humonculi were much cooler in 03 too, I think the whole idea of them being the result of a human transmutation was way better than them just being henchmen created by father. Lust and Greed also got some good characterization, though I guess you could argue Greed got characterization in brotherhood even though it was muddied by the whole "sharing a body with chinese guy" thing

also the chinese people in general just seemed weird and out of place and i can't think of anything they did that made them worth adding

also for the dub, alphonse was way better in 03

>>135320491
Were the Chinese even in the manga at all?

How different is the manga from Brotherhood? I thought it was supposed to be a close adaptation.

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>>135319238

why not both?

I liked the ending of 2003 more, and 2009 dragged on for too long the final 10 episodes

>>135319238
Agreed

>>135319704
>>135320205
>>135320347
>reddit
>>>/tv/

>better pacing
no

>>135319363
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People here actually think having better art makes up for the show being shitty

>>135320890
that 2009 image is pretty bad.

Brotherhood was way better. Better pacing, better art, better characters.

Ending was way more satisfying to. Original made it felt like the journey was a waste.

The fact that Brotherhood expects you to have seen/watched 2003 version, makes 2003 better.

>>135319238
Objective best way to watch FMA: First 15 episodes of 2003, then switch to brotherhood

>>135322308
The only thing you miss is who Yoki is and why he hates Ed

>>135322387
Thats critical to the story

>>135319238
Okay, I watched FMA 2003 back in 2003 and drooped it, then I gave brotherhood a chance and loved it. I know this isn't the best argument but 2003 just couldn't keep me entertained like BH.

not disu shito agen. sage

>>135319238
Who fucking cares?

>>135322456
His backstory is only relevant when its explained why he's in that Ishval camp. It gets dropped immediately afterwards. I don't even think he talked to Ed the entire series.

>>135322387
Not really, they explain it shortly in one of the episodes, albeit it lacks the strength it had in 2003 because of it's under 10 minutes, though Yoki's hatred for Ed isn't really such a big deal in 2009, or more that it's not taken seriously, just like Yoki's character entirely.

>>135322387
Or having any attachment to Hughes. I felt nothing for his death in Brotherhood.

>Brotherhood had too much Shonenshit garbage with unnecessary comedy shit

>2003 version had a more consistent tone and arguably better characterization

Fuck I'd rather take the ending of the 2003 version than the cliched shitty Shonenshit ending brotherhood had.

>>135320817
>Were the Chinese even in the manga at all?
Yep. Still felt out of place.

2003 version was much better, even including the movie.

>>135322718
>Fuck I'd rather take the ending of the 2003 version than the cliched shitty Shonenshit ending brotherhood had.

Pretty much this

>>135322699
>Or having any attachment to Hughes. I felt nothing for his death in Brotherhood.

Yeah this was another problem I had with Brotherhood. I didn't give two fucks when he died in Brotherhood. I was like oh he died cool, but in 2003 version I actually cared when he died.

>that greed sacrifice scene.

Brotherhood wins by that alone.

What I don't get is how the 2003 homunculi were named after the 7 sins if they weren't literally sins like in Brotherhood. This would mean that there could only be 7 at any time. Also, Sloth had nothing to do with sloth.

>>135319238
>muh 2003 nostalgia
>better pacing
Only because the studio that did Brotherhood went ahead and skipped reanimating stuff already done in 2003
>better art style
That isn't really up to debate, yeah.
>scenes deliver a stronger emotional impact
Brought on by the soundtrack, which is the only saving grace this had
>thought provoking anti-religious themes built around Renaissance ideology
I tip my fedora to you, good sir. Get the fuck out with that shit.
>better character development for Ed, making him flawed and ambigious as opposed to a typical hero
And Brotherhood Ed wasn't? Come the fuck on. It was the same thing different circumstances.
>bittersweet ending that fit the mood and themes of the series and delivered a strong message about sacrifice to the viewer
Subjective, I thought of it as sudden and just bitter. You stick with the heroes throughout only to get shat on by having Al not even remember their struggles and Ed MIA in Nazi Germany. Bravo.
The only thing good that came out of 2003 was the OST
The only ones that prefer 2003 over Brotherhood are would be intellectuals that think angst and grimdarkness make something good.
>>135322960
What about Brotherhood King Bradley? An old man wreaking the shit out of everybody with a sword and a granade was great.
>tfw even tired and injured a full group of characters still shit their pants at the sight of Herr Fuhrer.

>>135322985
What about that fucking kid that was supposed to be Wrath? Apparently Wrath means throwing tantrums all the time.

>>135322985
If they weren't literally the sins, why couldn't there be more than seven?

>>135323204
Then the names would go Lust, Gluttony, Envy, Pride, Wrath, Sloth, Greed, and Steve.

>>135319238
None that changes the fact that Brotherhood is fully based on the original manga, which was incredible by the way, and the 2003 anime was loosely based on only the first few chapters. If you go back to the original source of the story you'll realize that the 2003 anime is shitty.

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Brotherhood was superior just by having the scene with Mustang exterminating Envy.

Also, the ending to 2003 was fucking dumb and infinitely inferior to Brotherhood's ending.
>pic related

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Another 2003/brotherhood thread.

>>135323105
Based on your arguments you concede 3 points to 2003

1 was a shitpost "tip"

and 2 for Brotherhood

So 2003 was better.

>>135323275
Throw in Acedia or Vainglory and pretend it's fine.

>>135322241
Original fell in line with the concept of equivalent exchange while also accounting for etropy.

It basically pushed the message that life isn't fair, it's what you make of it. Thus, giving a much more powerful and real conclusion.

Brotherhood was "if I try hard, I will surely win" and gave us a generic Ubermensch sort of villain.

2003 broke down Ed, and his ideology. A stout atheist, doubting the value of equivalent exchange. It's a hard lesson, and one that holds true to real life.

>>135322528
>anecdotal evidence

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>>135323555
Is it really?

>>135323463
>garbage Shonenshit ending

Like I said I'd rather take 2003 ending.

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>>135319238
okay but 2003 killed this girl so brotherhood wins

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I thought this movie was a great conclusion to the 2003 series.

FMA 03 is shit and far cry from the original work. Almost a disgrace really. I can barely finish it after Brotherhood.

>>135323701
Enjoy your shit taste then.

>>135319238
I see 2003 as seinen and Brotherhood as shounen.

So Yeah I like 2003 better.

2003 had better artwork

that's why it wins for me

>>135323701
>Watches shonenshit
>Enjoys when shonenshit becomes fanfiction
>Gets mad when shonenshit remake is exactly what it's supposed to be.

>>135322985
Dante, connection to Renaissance writer Dante Allegiri and his Divine Comedy.

It's metaphor for his trials, hense the anti-religious themes.

Dante the character named them that as an allusion to how Dante the writer mentions the sins in his poem. In fact, the four sins most prominently seen around Dante the character are the first four mentioned in Inferno.


>>135323105
>atheism is bad

Anti-religion is at the very core of FMA especially when your MC is an outspoken, arrogant atheist, what's wrong with you?

Plus, the abti-religious themes fit in with the theme of the show since it was built around Renaissance ideology when the church was most powerful and opposed science, even going as far as persecuting Alchemists for standing against the church. DaVinci, Newton, etc... all of them had to keep their alchemic writings secret out of fear of the church.

Why is it unusual that a show about science and alchemy would go out og it's way to oppose religious doctrine? Why is that "fedora tipping bad?"

2003 wins for not trying to be nice about it to avoid offending people, and just straight up calling it like it is to get the message across.

Go back to reddit you faggot, and fucking educate yourself. Not saying religioun is inhetently bad, but anti-religion is at the core of alchemy.

>>135323827
>Instead of just Ed trapped in 1940's Germany, Al is now there too.
>Leaving everyone that ever cared about them behind.
That was the equivalent of pilling shit on top of shit.

>>135323827
I hated it at first and it took me like a month to realize that it was actually pretty damn good.

>anime debate
lol

>>135319238
I never saw 2003 but I always thought it was probably a lot better than brotherhood, also I think Ed dies in that one

>>135324114
Kind of, yeah. But he survives.

>Ed goes full militant atheist on Rose
>actually met God

>>135323981
>Mal and Reddit enjoy the Shonenshit ending

The only reason newfags like yourselves think Brotherhood is better is because you faggots enjoy the cheesy cliched route of everything being safe again with no consequences. Brotherhood went with the cheesy route of if I work harder everything will be alright in the end but contradicts the message of equivalent exchange. While 2003 version follows through with message of equivalent exchange in that life isn't fair and you'll always pay for the consequences.

>>135319238
Brotherhood had King Bradley.

>>135324114
If you consider hijacking the body of the him living in Nazi Germany to be "dying", then yes.

>>135324220
2003 goes even one step further in fact, by showing that equivalent exchange is flawed thanks to entropy, meaning that you'll always lose more than you get back.

That was the whole point. But the overall message is that even if life is shitty and unfair, that's also what makes it beautiful, so you accept it for what it is and live on.

A message 1000x better than the one Brotherhood and the manga shat out with their happy feelgood ending.

>>135324348
That was his normal body in the movie. His regular body was in England and died in the main series.or so I remember
He did the in the series too, when Envy stabbed him.

>>135323827
i hate the ending of this movie, instead of coming back to their own dimension, they leave everyone behind

I enjoy how the 1st OP of 2003 rips off a Brandenburg concerto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDB5Bi18iW8
(you can skip 3 minutes in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkWg7N84Og4

>>135324606
equivalent exchange

>>135324691
Holy shit.

People who like Brotherhood always use "it adapts the manga" as their primary argument as to why Brotherhood is a good anime (they never mention the quality of its writing or the depth of its characterization because this seemingly isn't a thing). I wonder how much people would care about Brotherhood, and how much it would stand out from the average shonen, if 2003 didn't exist.

>>135319337
>one had a shitty ending

2003's ending was unique, creative, and unexpected, something I've actually come to appreciate far more after watching so much anime in which the ending was completely forgettable, predictable, or nigh non-existent.

>>135323177
Wrath makes way more sense in 2003, than Brotherhood's stoic and collected Wrath.

I just wish '03 wasn't in 4:3 aspect ratio.

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>>135319238
>current year
>defending BONES writing
Are you retards still stuck in 2003 or something?

>>135323463
Or Mustang curbstomping Lust while flashing his inhuman abs. Now that I think about it, Mustang got some really fucking cool scenes in Brotherhood.

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>>135323998
>Goes full euphoria
>Confuses magic alchemy with actual alchemy. Like making tea
>Tells someone to educate themselves.
>tries to not ruffle any feathers by saying religion isn't inherently bad instead of sticking with his beliefs no matter how much flak.
desu senpai, you're the one that needs to go back to reddit.
And I have no idea what version of 2003 you saw but no alchemist was afraid of having the inquisition cracking down on their work, they even got state funding.
Even when Ed and Al repaired that radio they weren't burned at the stake once they were lauded for being prophets and proceeded to shit all over that with heresy most heretical.
And that is the deepest they went with religion.

>>135325045
>muh original, battle shounen manga writing

BONES did better.

>>135325073
Even Yoki and Havok got cool scenes

Both OSTs are good, but 2003's is just a bit better, there are far more memorable pieces from it than brotherhoods. Same goes for the OP/ED's, nothing beats melissa, ready steady go, undo and rewrite - the endings are also top tier. There's not a single bad op/ed in 2003 whereas brotherhood had a few bad op/eds. The only memorable op/eds from brotherhood are the first ed - uso by sid, the last ending and the 5th opening, the rest were garbage.

While brotherhood was your classic shounen with a happy go lucky ending, power of friendship everybody wins, 2003 had a really, really bittersweet ending. In brotherhood literally everyone gets a happy ending whereas in 2003 and the movie everyone from ed/al/winry to mustang and riza are fucked up beyond belief, not even armstrong seemed okay at the end.

manga > 2003 > brotherhood

>>135323105
>Subjective, I thought of it as sudden and just bitter. You stick with the heroes throughout only to get shat on by having Al not even remember their struggles and Ed MIA in Nazi Germany. Bravo.
Yeah 2003's ending just pissed me off. It didn't even feel like and ending, it was more like, "well shit we're almost outta time and cash, better find a way to wrap this puppy up as quickly as possible while looking like we actually tried".

It didn't have to be a happy ending, but 2003's end was executed extremely poorly.

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>>135325264
Let see what other masterpieces the responsable of FMA 2003 was able to create since then:
>MSG 00
>Un-Go
>Concrete Revolutio

B R A V O
R
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>>135324363
The way I see it, 2003 tries way to hard to push the idea that equivalent exchange == life sucks fuck you.

In Brotherhood EE fucks over people a lot, but the characters realize that it's something that can be gamed just like anything else. It's about making the calculated sacrifices and tradeoffs (for example, Ed, a prodigy alchemist, never being able to do alchemy ever again) whereas 2003 was edgelord-worthy indiscriminate reckless sacrifice and suffering.

>>135319238
03 FMA is for sure better then the shitty 09 brotherhood version. 03 has a much deeper level of meaning and understanding to it. Far more interesting plot and character development. The ending is far from cheesy or typical. Mind-fucking and unexpected.

>>135319238
>Prove me wrong.
But you're correct.

The samefagging in this thread is unreal.

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>>135323105
>Brought on by the soundtrack, which is the only saving grace this had

Compare the ending to Greed vs Ed, in which Ed is forced to kill someone for the first time, to the emotional impact of almost every fight in Brotherhood. Even Toriyama does a better job at making his fights meaningful and relevant to the story (Goku vs Vegeta or Frieza or Gohan vs Cell). What did Armstrong vs Sloth add to anything? Ed vs Father? 2003 was focused on drama, while Brotherhood was focused on action and the fights, which weren't even particularly good, either in their emotional context or in terms of being visually impressive.

>And Brotherhood Ed wasn't?
This really is tackled above. 2003 Ed grows up a lot throughout the series.

>>135325623
Still a better take than the genetic shounen ending of Brotherhood.

Plus, EE is based on thermodynamics, and thermodynamics also has entropy to take away energy, it makes sense.

Plus, how is it being gritty and with real consequences bad? On the contrary, that's good writting.

Are you one of those contrarian hipsters that thinks ASOIF is bad for being "edgy?"

>2003 sympathizer
ughhhh

>>135325705
89 replies
51 posters

That's less than two replies per person. Anon, you're retarded.

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>>135325073
>this fucking fury

>>135325755
>if I memeword hard enough it becomes true!

>>135319238
How to spot a homosexual plebeian: the post.

>>135319238
I enjoyed Brotherhood more therefore I have proved you wrong in my books

>>135325794
50 no's
1 yes

>>135325843
>liking the generic battle shounen that is brotherhood
>not a plebian

>>135325825
>ad hominem...

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>some dumb Bones monkey tasked with coming up with an half decent plot due the lack of source material knows more about the themes of the series than the author herself
Stay classy.

>>135325854
>anecdotal evidence

>>135319238
I agree OP, 2003 was superior to Brotherhood, for sure, if you're a fedora tipping Redditor neckbeard like you.

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>>135325420
>Un-Go
Im watching this now and am just wondering "how the hell did this end up on my backlog" the whole time.

>>135325755
>he likes both FMA2003 and Game of Plebs
It all makes sense now.

>>135325865
Or maybe people have different opinions?

Take your meds anon, you're imagining things again.

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>>135325877
>too absorbed in bullshit pretenses to enjoy a traditional archetype about growth and overcoming challenges

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>>135325895
2003 had a different, and far superior, set of themes than Brotherhood, even from the beginning.

>>135325755
Real consequences are one thing, but being handed a platter full of shit regardless of what you do are quite another.

It's just as bad if not worse for characters to have no even remotely good outcome as it is for them to always be able to win no matter what. The best is being able to land your story's ending right in the middle. FMAB doesn't quite achieve that but it sure as hell comes closer than 2003 did.

>>135325986
I can enjoy battle shounen when its actually well done. But the only exceptional thing about Brotherhood is its better pacing, which is actually such shitty pacing at the beginning that people who like the series tell people to watch the first few episodes of 2003 instead.

>>135325986

so you are talking about the first series?

>>135325967
>ASOIF is the same as the show.
>he dislikes G.R.R. Martin's writing

I bet you like The Force Awakens too... Good God anon, your taste cannot be worse.

>>135326059
2003 had a bittersweet ending. Brotherhood had a happy ending. The former of these WAS in the middle.

>>135325986
Hunter X Hunter is shounen well done. One Piece is shounen well done.

That said, 2003 shits all over Brotherhood.

>>135326028
That middle shooler tier wankery about equivalent exchange not applying to reality because life is unfair qualifies as deep and engaging themes for you?

>>135326059
This.
Nothing wrong with realism but many always fail to balance it and end up with fullblown cynicism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRoNBaAP4mM

When the anime is greater than the manga.

>>135326191
>One Piece is shounen well done.

Top kek, you mean the same formulaic generic garbage that happens every arc. One Piece turned to shit anon.

>>135319238
2003 being better than Brotherhood will always be my favorite meme.

>scenes deliver a stronger emotional impact
Epic.

>>135326137
>reading genre fiction
:sigh:

>>135326137
>https://youtu.be/QmKhGqWcJGY?list=FLiaMbn81QrxWRwdWFaWN3Jg

>>135319238

i agree so much. so much.

>>135326059
You ever hear of a Tragedy anon? Life's not always fair, this is why Shakespeare was successful.

Did you hate Hamlet and Julius Caesar too?

>>135319238
>bittersweet ending means good

>>135326191
>One Piece is shounen well done.
Comedy gold.

>>135326261
He probably hates Frankenstein by Mary Shelly because Frakenstein couldn't have his happy ending by banging his adopted sister.

>>135326248
I find that usually when people say that, the scenes they're referring to are the ones that are faithful reproductions of the manga.

>>135326255
>Le epic maymay
>I don't even read the books, I just parrot what others say to shitpost

Kill yourself.

>>135326303
They are good.
FMA's was just bitter though.

>>135326213
Arakawa, apparently, couldn't figure it out.

>>135326261
>bringing up Shakespeare
How's high school going?

Honestly fuck Ed's story. I'd take a whole series about Hohenheim and his travels.

>>135319238
This. I pretty much hated the manga because of all the shounenshit, and I tried 2003 out of curiosity, since everyone likes to shit on it.

Turned out to be easily the best out of all 3. Fuck all of you, the manga is shit.

>>135326152
No, the end was pretty shit for everyone involved. The net losses were far greater than the net gains. That's not bittersweet.

>>135326261
Tragedies are great if they're crafted as such, but 2003 was not crafted as a tragedy. It had a tragic ending sledgehammered on as a shock tactic to distract viewers from the fact that BONES didn't have anything better they could come up with given time and budget constraints.

Well, that's just like your opinion, man.

>>135326309
It is anon...

As far as shounen battle manga, those are some of the best written stories in a genre littered with predictable clichés.

You can try to be an edgy contrarian all you like, but go ahead and name 5 shounen battle manga with better writing.

>>135326225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UHTE1oRXnA

The 1st half was definitely better. The 2nd half is liquid shit, and I hope that everyone that defends it goes to hell.

>>135326391
It's not that she couldn't figure it out, she wasn't intetested in going down that road because she realized it was obvious and not interesting.

>>135326255
Oh my god, so embarrassing to see someone who's clearly a fellow Czech / Slovak shitposting on 4chan.

And even more embarassing that we can see all your favorite videos.

I bet you're one of the legendary first autistic neckbeards to ever have existed in Czechoslovakia.

>>135326428
It was an ending in which the bad guys lose and in which none of the main characters actually die. It was bittersweet.

Why the fuck did Truth take Roy's sight? He was forced against his will into opening the gate. We know the thing is sentient so why the hell did it do it?

>>135326421
You must love akame ga kill

>>135326506
Man, I know all the 2003 tippers are gonna hate me for saying it, but that was one great dub.

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Which one was better?

>>135326534
Pretty certain it takes more than "everyone doesn't die" to be bittersweet. There's barely any sweetness to it at all.

>>135326585
I traditionally hate dubs but the FMAs were dubbed pretty well.

>>135326566
because he loved his country, and he could never see it again

>>135326436
That other anon already said it all.
It's formulaic repetitive garbage.
You can take any classic shonen from the 80s and it will destroy OP in every way.

>>135326636
Dante, obviously. She was the more complex character and had more character development than anyone in Brotherhood.

>>135326636
The fuck is that at the top

>>135326355
I tried to read those books. I stopped at the scene where Khal Drogo inserted his finger into Dany, which elicited a moan from her or something like that. That's a high level literature right there.

Kill yourself, friend.

>>135326643
So? He didn't want anything from it to begin with.
The thing is sentient and all knowing. It should have figured out what was going on.

>>135326428
Except it was.

Tragedy was all around the Elrich brothers.

Ridding the town of the Priest in yhe first episodes only made problems worse for them early on.

The tragedy of losing tgeir mom.

Their attempt to bring her back.

The Brown people and the war.

Scar.

That one girl who gets turned into a chimera.

Hughes.

List goes on. FMA is in fact very depressing due to how tragic it is. And 2093 is just a downward spiral tgat just gets more and more dreary as it goes on. There's that glimmer of hope that the Philosopher's Stone will solve all their problems, but that'd just be the easy way out, and it is. In the end, gain comes through sacrifice, and the final conclusion just seals an over all sad story with a fitting ending.

>>135326585
I Don't give a shit

>>135326660
Now this is shitposting.
Dante didn't have any character.

>>135326636
Dante was one of the best things out of 2003

>>135326521
No; that would be most shonen writers. Most shonen writers don't harp on about equivalent exchange. To Arakawa, and even many other adults, 2003's message really wasn't obvious; just speak to the average political conservative. Ed was a child who believed that hard work was almost always rewarded, and his story arc, in 2003, involved growing up and being forced to come into contact with the less than ideal reality of the world.

>>135326677
he obviously did

>>135326707
Stay assmad that /a/ agrees that Brotherhood was shit and the manga ending is garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqO2_qRFHjI

>>135323998
As an Italianfag reading Allegiri made me chuckle. But I should feel worse because I didn't make this kind of association. Never thought about it like that, sasuga anon.

>>135326766
nope just you

>>135326746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf78qYcsQwo
Exactly WHAT did he want from the Gate then?
Please. Enlighten me on this glaring ass plothole.

>>135326637
If 2003's ending wasn't bittersweet, then how would you classify the ending to something like Berserk, or even Cowboy Bebop?

>>135326137

I detest where the show has gone and even I will tell you that books 4 and 5 are hot garbage compared to the rest. Martin's pacing has fallen apart completely and he clearly has no idea where to go next.

>>135326649
Except not really?

OP has a narrative that was clearly outlined from start to finish. If you're paying attention, it's obvious the story is constructed in layers, and they're carefully woven together to give just enough information as you go along. There's a lot of shit going on in OP, it's not just the silly adventures of Luffy and Co.

>>135326766
Most of /a/ also likes moeshit

>>135326846
>moeshit
Brotherhoodfags, everyone.

2003 > Manga >>>> Brotherhood

>>135324859
>2003's ending was unique, creative, and unexpected
It shat on both brother's love for each other.

>>135326670
Ok anon.

I can't help it if you have shit taste.

>>135326839
>the ending to something like Berserk
Just popping in this thread to say that Berserk technically doesn't have an ending.

>>135326839
>the ending to something like Berserk
>Berserk
>ending
That's a good one

>>135326724
Subverting the usual shonen message isn't any more interesting that that message itself.
And if you think the overall theme of FMA is hard work = reward I'd suggest you to read it again.

>>135319238
The End of 2003 had Hitler as a character.

>>135326874
The manga and brotherhood endings are the same so

>>135326897
Berserk anime ended with Black Swordsman Guts after the Eclipse.

>>135326845
The overall narrative doesn't matter when every arc had basically the same strutture, the characters have little to no development over the years and the retarded lenght of the work isn't absolutely needed to deliver the shallow themes it is going for.

>>135326846
>/a/ likes
Personifying boards doesn't really work where anyone will disagree with any opinion. Unlike reddit, you can't downvote unpopular opinions or block other users. The only quality control here are the mods, and even then, they only delete blatant shitposting and non-/a/ topics. I hate when people say "this board hates this" when it's just conjecture.

>>135325895
The fact that the setting and characters are the same doesn't mean that the themes are as well. And in fact, they aren't. Other than being the story of two brothers practicing alchemy in Amestris they have nothing in common. It's a re imagination of the series, your point does simply not stand, Bones didn't try to continue the manga from where it was, they created a new story from the same premise.

Do you children ever get tired of yelling at each other's tastes, as if any of this shit matters?

>>135327233
Why are you even here?

>>135327194
Have you ever actually seen the front page? Half of them are just blatantly waifu threads.

>>135327205
Yeah, tell me more about BONES legendary ability in coming up with anime original material over the years.

>>135326213
That middle schooler tier wankery about "if you work hard, you will succeed" happy ending is a deep and engaging theme for you?

>>135326677
He wanted to save Riza.

>>135327421
Look at >>135326817
Riza wasn't even in any more danger than the rest of them when the Homunculi forced him to open the gate.
So what the fuck?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mwrzJQu-Kc

>>135327414
His argument wasn't about Brotherhood having deeper and more intricate "themes" than 2003, unlike yours.

>>135327414
FMAB's ending is, "decide what's really important to you and be prepared to give up everything for it," not "work hard and succeed". I don't even know where you got the latter from.

>>135326191
>Hunter X Hunter is shounen well done.
Absolutely.
>One Piece is shounen well done.
Absolutely not.

>>135327501
I remembered it wrong then. Now I can suppose that he payed the price to see god and go through the portal, which is a special thing by itself considering you get to know many secrets about alchemy and get the ability to transmute things without a circle. If it isn't even this, I don't know.

>>135319238
you forgot

>retarded plot holes everywhere

>>135327721
>Now I can suppose that he payed the price to see god and go through the portal, which is a special thing by itself considering you get to know many secrets about alchemy and get the ability to transmute things without a circle. If it isn't even this, I don't know.
But the difference between every other person who did so, did it out of their own volition.
This is actually a pretty big plothole imo.

>>135327385
Has that anything to do with the argument that Bones unjustly pretended to know what Arakawa had in mind? No.
I'm not saying that they made a good story, that's up to you to decide, but I disagree with the fact that it's bad just because it's a different story than the one the original author developed.

>>135324859
>I like 2003 because I watched that first

>>135322241

>better pacing
>those first 15 episodes

did you even watch the show, jesus

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>>135325888
>van hohenheim

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>>135327385
Courage punch was a better ending than lolboobs

>>135322241
>Ending was way more satisfying to. Original made it felt like the journey was a waste.

are you kidding me? brotherhood ending made the journey literally a waste since we find out all ed had to do all along was trade his ability to transmute in exchange for their bodies back. that whole bit was completely retarded, author must have pulled it out of his ass right before sending it to get published

>>135328245
Ok

>>135320890
Izumi is fucking hot.

>>135328245
it made perfect sense
be quiet now please

>>135320890
2003 >

>>135328505

>it made perfect sense

only if you literally don't think about it at all. i assume brotherhood babies just muted the series when they watched or did turn on subtitles because if you actually listen to what is going on its completely retarded

>>135328652
even more of a reason proving brotherhood is shit

>>135328655
no, you have to pay attention and recall key moments in the story.

>>135328652
>MAL

Will you be posting Reddit next?

>>135328652
>thinks MAL scores matter
Back to reddit with you.

>>135328652
Come on now, I like brotherhood a little more than 03 but this is just sad to post anything MAL related.

>>135326394
Says the retard watching anime based on a manga targeted to adolescents.

>>135328844
They do matter, you just werent included

I liked the manga ending a lot.
Only watched the '03 ending and it's hazy to me. What I liked about the '03 series is that it tied directly into the film, which offered some closure regarding that universe's set of characters.
For an original ending, I don't think many other series get that opportunity.

nah brotherhood is better

>>135319238

must have forgotten how 03 ending was a complete ass pull of plot that made no sense whatsoever

09 isnt a shit ending, it's the perfection of the shounen ending

and that's why u dont like it kek

I never liked how 2003 involved the real world, and how most of the Homunculi didn't have much to do with the sins they were named after.

Otherwise it was pretty good, but it wasn't deep or meaningful any more than the manga or Brotherhood was. It tried to be all grimdark with EE always working against the alchemist (with this logic, the entropy should affect both sides of the exchange, not just the main characters for a tragic plot point), rather than Brotherhood actually making the exchange equivalent.

>inb4 muh ending

I feel like the AUthor ended FMA with the intention for a sequel or related series but couldn't be fucked writing more fantasy and went on to do other things. It really is pretty damn open ended.

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03 ending was shit that completely ignored Ed's character.

>>135328245
>author must have pulled it out of his ass
>his

I will be honestly be surprised if I ever see following threads:
>brotherhood was superior to 2003
>11 is better than 99
Is the reason those won't be seen because stating the obvious is redundant?

>>135329854
>I feel like the AUthor ended FMA with the intention for a sequel or related series but couldn't be fucked writing more fantasy and went on to do other things. It really is pretty damn open ended.
I like to think that more of the FMA universe is a possibility in the future. I'd imagine that keeping track of such a large universe is draining, both in the creative sense and in the sense of actual energy. Maybe Arakawa just needs a break before continuing on.

>>135331127
I always thought FMA was the perfect setting for an action rpg, though Alchemy is pretty damn complicated for videogame mechanics (maybe you could choose what you specialise in, which determines your power set?)

>>135331323
Just have paths that can be equipped and expanded upon that determine your move set which can be switched on the fly if needed or for combos.
Think Devil May Cry 4 Dante but instead of weapons it's alchemical symbols so you can have a ranged fighting style like Mustang with incineration and switch to a more up close and personal style with blocks and counters aided chargeable alchemy attacks akin to Armstrong etc.

>>135320002
>Heh.

n i c e e d g e

>>135331127
Arakawa got the green light to work on Arslan, a series she's a huge fan of, so it's no surprise she dropped everything else to focus on it.

>>135319238
>renaissance ideology
>anti-religious

Renaissance ideology is literally, "it's older so it's better."
Renaissance thought, if can so be called, is about fellating the concept of antiquity and nothing else. It was all still thouroughly infused with Christian theology and thought; even low key sun worship in the form of neo-platonism and hermeticism arose as a part of the Renaissance.

>>135329854
>>135331127
>>135332568
Do you think she could go back to it?

This AUthor thing is super gay.

>>135332568
Has she surpassed the new adaptation yet?

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So I've read through this thread, and I think I've figured out a pattern.

2003fags are mature adults that enjoy diverse themes and prefer character development over "lol epic action scenes dude!!!". They appreciate endings that are realistic, where everything isn't just wrapped up nicely to make the viewers feel good.

Brotherhoodfags are millennials in their teens or early 20s who still live with their parents and like fast-paced fight scenes over plot development. They hate anything outside the rigid feelgood shounen narrative structure and can't deal with endings that aren't feelgood hugfests where everybody lives happily ever after.

Is that about right?

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>this thread
>we literally reddit now
sayonara /a/

>>135334493
This. Manga and Brotherhood are dogshit and anyone who claims they're better are literal teenagers and probably even virgins.

>>135334444
You mean the new anime that's based on the manga version by her that's still running?

>>135334618
Yes. I remember the last few episodes being anime only compared to her she was.

>>135327156
>the characters have little to no development over the years
Confirmed for not reading OP.

>>135334493
I wouldn't call the 2003 ending realistic, as it fucking involved magic, but that sounds about right.
2003fags care more about the story, drama and characters
FMABfags care more about the action scenes
Basically what >>135323940 said

>>135334507
Nothing wrong with that desu

>>135334924
Realistic in the sense that everyone doesn't live happily ever after and doesn't have to sacrifice anything to get what they want. My point is that real life isn't like a shounen anime, and 2003 understood that while Brotherhood didn't.

read the manga. loved it. tried watching 2003. It was off the rails on its own shit withing 3 episodes, fucking around with bird-men and some puppet master, and it was all melodramatic and overblown and slow as fuck.

brotherhood was a pretty decent adaptation of a great manga. Needed more budget, or maybe more competent animators.

>>135334493
Grimdark doesn't make an ending realistic, and any ending that somehow lands in WWII germany is the furthest thing from realistic. In fact, in any other media it's considered jumping the shark as soon as nazis are involved because it instantly degrades the story to robot-space-vampire fanfiction levels.

>>135334982
>real life isn't like a shonen anime
anime isn't like real life, so I'm not sure why that matters.

also fuck out of here with this "no sacrifices" bullshit, that was the entire fucking point of the series and gets hammered home quite thoroughly in both of them from day 1.
>buccaneer dies
>fan dies
>hughes is still fucking dead
>izumi still can't have children
>roy is blind
>greed died
>ed lost his alchemy
>hohenheim died

Manga >>>>> 2003 > Brotherhood

>>135335144
>Huges still still dead

His death in Brotherhood was pathetic like I didn't give a fuck. However, in 2003 version it actually made me care.

>>135335132
>In any other media it's considered jumping the shark as soon as nazis are involved

This is how you can spot a Brotherhoodfag. He doesn't even know what the Ishvalans and Amestrians are supposed to represent.

https://youtu.be/dd1V816mVdU
It had best opening at least.

>>135331323
There have been a few FMA games but I don't think any of them were that good.

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>>135335238
It's pretty fucking obvious, but that doesn't mean you need to get the real world parallels involved. The real world shouldn't have ever come into the picture. A quality ending would've occurred entirely in Amestris and the surronding countries.

>>135335327
>tfw new shows will never again have L'Arc~en~ciel or Ajikan OPs

>>135335468
Even a crappy show could be livened up with a good OP like that, would get me in the mood for some popcorn anime.

As an aside, I just realized something, probably not intentional but neat anyway. In FMA Ed is always really anti-religion, pro-science, but whenever he wants to perform alchemy he has to clap his hands, mimicking the motions of a person who is praying to god. He has that big exposition about how humans don't need god because they have science, and yet he has to beseech god for help any time he wants to use alchemy.

>>135335468
>but that doesn't mean you need to get the real world parallels involved

I disagree as I really liked them, especially the part about alchemy in Ed's world being fueled by war and destruction in our world, but to each his own.

>>135335569
One might say that alchemy was Ed's god, especially earlier on when he thought it could fix any problem.

>>135335599
Being thrown in the real world I think would've worked a lot better had it been alluded to/hinted at/built up to through the series, but it came out of fucking nowhere which makes it a lot harder to believe. It feels so disjointed from the rest of the series, like it was something they conjured up in the last few seconds.

>>135335132
I thought the 2003 anime did far better with tone, but I agree that the whole WW2 world jumping thing was pretty out of left field.

>>135335701
damn look at all these deep and complex themes

>2003 isn't canon
So brotherhood wins.

>>135334507
We just need to behead and exterminate all redditors (read; tippers of fedoras who prefer 2003 over Brotherhood).

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Both shows are superior.

>>135335468
I wanna jerk off in front of her face and nut on her mouth and eyebrows while she cryin like this in front of me.

Brotherhood >>>>>>>> shit >>> 2003

Sorry, nostalgiacuck hipsters. Having more than 50% shit-tier fanfiction as script is enough to lose.

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I will say this. FMA 2003 gave Martel a bigger role in the show. The manga/Brotherhood version did not. So points to FMA 2003 for that one.

>>135336032
You are a good poster, thank you.

>>135336111
Who gives a shit about that Martel? Not even Charles.

>>135323582

>>135335327
this op brings tears of nostalgia into my eyes

>>135335327
What a shitty opening.

FMAB is better than 2003 mainly because of the quality of the writing. Everything is foreshadowed. There are no asspulls. There are no plot holes. Whereas 2003 goes full fanfiction all over the place.

FMAB also had better visuals. 2003 looks extremely QUALITY half of the time.

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Okay but which is worse?

>>135339247
The first had a fanfic-quality plot and those horrible, horrible CG armor suits and the second I struggled to stay awake through because it had a very obvious "filler writing" quality to it. Neither was really good.

2003 was shit, and Brotherhood is surprisingly good, coming from someone who hardly tolerates this kind of shounen.

>>135339247
>MUH ANGST
vs
>MUHRY SUES

both a shit

The main issue with brotherhood is that it's too loud. That orchestral soundtrack drones over every scene. Needed less noise.

>>135339536
I think you have just some special sort of autism.

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>>135339566

>>135319238
Manga > shit > 2003 > brotherhood

This Shit is still here

>>135335327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uq34TeWEdQ

>>135319238
Olivier over who Rose.

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2003 writing and characters were pure garbage.
Brootherhood was bad because it rushed everything but the manga was way better than 2003.
The "shounenshit" argument is pathetic, they're both shounenshit: 2003 is an edgy shounenshit (like agk for example) with pointless suffering and 0 characters development, the manga is a more lighthearted battleshounen with decent story, good writing and good characters that actually grow during the story. The suffering isn't pointless in the manga, it makes them grow.

>>135340492
>Brootherhood was bad because it rushed everything
On top of adapting every single panel,it also had minon fillers.How was it rushed again?

>>135325249
>>135323105
I preferred it when the fedora-tipping/euphoric meme was used against obnoxious retards who loved arguing about religion rather than just anyone who expresses any slightly atheist sentiment.

We've settled this argument already.

2003 up to where it deviates > Brotherhood >>> shit > 2003's anime original shit.

and as always, manga > anime.

>>135340799
They didn't do panel to panel for the stuff that were adapted by '03. at least as far as I remember. Also, going panel by panel doesn't mean it can't be rushed.

>>135340799
>>135340867
They also butchered the Ishval war.

>>135340867
>2003 up to where it deviates > Brotherhood
> Also, going panel by panel doesn't mean it can't be rushed
Are you addicted to fillershit?Because as far as i remember,2003 drugged too long for stuff no ones cares.

manga > 03 > brotherhood

Also Milos is pretty damn entertaining.

>>135335327
God tier.

Can someone give me a summary of the 2003 ending?
I liked both of them, but I remember 2003 being darker, which I'm a massive sucker for.

Brotherhood>03. 03 peaked at greeds death.

>>135341518
>half-assed adaptation better than true full adaptation

epic meme reddit

>>135342157
>>>/v/

>>135339247
One gets better the more you watch, while the other sours like milk.

>>135342157
>true full adaptation
Definitely not talking about Brotherhood there. And I understand why people would dislike 03 but it certainly wasn't half-assed. Also

>crying Reddit because of different opinions

pretty convinced its just lustfags liking 03 better

I don't have the energy to write out the specifics about why Brotherhood is better but suffice it to say anyone who thinks 2003 was better overall is a garbage person and needs to leave.

Nah. 2003 anime and the Shamballadingdong movie screwed Winry over, so the manga/Brotherhood is automatically superior for giving her a well-deserved happy ending.

everything but the ending is better in the original

Original FMA > Brotherhood > 2003 fanfiction garbage

>>135339247
I still haven't managed to get past the first 30min of Milos despite the fact I was hype as fuck when I heard about it and the fact it was traditionally animated, Shambala I've seen a good 5 times and have generally stuck to watching it once every few years after a re-run through the series; not that it's particularly good, but I find some things about it enjoyable

>>135342266
Also edgy faggots who are all "muh 2deep4u dark edgy ending, happiness is for faggots and endings that aren't depressing are shit, check out my black trenchcoat and bloodthirsty katana I named ragnarok"

>>135323612
anecdotal evidence is all we have.

>>135323612
>Implying that there is anything other than subjective, anecdotal opinion in a debate that is all about subjective opinion.
Really anon?

>>135334861
Confirmed for not having read any kind of decently written fiction.

I read the manga. And it was awesome.
I don't give a shit about anime this or that.

>>135325755
Martin's bullshit is bad because he's a fucking hack writer that couldn't twist a yarn together with a sweatshop and an automatic loom, not because it's "edgy". It's far from "edgy" in comparison to the rest of dark fantasy.

>>135319363
Brotherhood had so much better openings.

I preferred Brotherhood; better art and animation, faster pacing android I'm preferred the happy ending to the parallel world portal bullshit.

>>135326506
>edgy 14 year old anger is superior to self-sacrifice

You people are fucking subhuman.

>>135322718
you said it anon. the ending where all of good guy shouting ED GO! ala nakama powwah toward final battle with father is standard shounenshit tripe. i legitly goosebump watching the 2003 finale.

>It's a happy ending so it's bad!!

This is the same argument I always see 03fags make, which is hilarious since they have a hissy fit every time someone says the opposite when talking about 03's sad ending.

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>>135344183
Like yours right

They're both good.

they're both shit

They're both irrelevant, the manga is the only thing that matters.

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>>135344183
Yeah, rage towards the thing that murdered your best friend, and stopping before you go down a dark path is edgy. Right.

>>135343083
From what I gather, the most notable thing about Brotherhood is that it "followed the manga" so therefore it's a good anime. Brotherhood fans can't go five words, in regard to 2003, without yelling "fanfiction," as if the fact that 2003 was written by a different person than Arakawa, elevates the pedestrian status of Brotherhood's writing, direction, action, and OST (I guess their logic is that Brotherhood is the "real" FMA, like the one that really happened, though it's all fiction, of course). There's tons of shitty anime that follow their respective manga or light novels, which is something Brotherhood fans would know if they watched a decent amount of anime.

>>135343560
edgy

>>135328245
...you for real? A story is always about the journey. How the fuck was ed suppose to realize that was the case from the start? Fucking pleb

>>135344815
>tfw you didn't understand she was raped when you watched it for the first time

>>135319238
You forgot to mention that it didn't have Brotherhood's absolutely garbage comedy.

Fullmetal Alchemist.

FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST.

>>135340045
Goddamnit, I want to watch brohood again.

>>135330980
Yeah, and it doesn't work as bait either.

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>>135340492
>they're both shounenshit: 2003 is an edgy shounenshit (like agk for example) with pointless suffering and 0 characters development

>>135326059
Well brothers do horrible things due to their ignorance, they search for a horrible thing due to their ignorance, they pay the price for knowledge and when they have it they start to understand that it's not worth it - but you already payed and there is no turn ins.

>>135323998
How would Dante know the connection to the Dante from our world's renaissance?

Especially when Envy is like 2000 years old?

And why does the nomenclature change from Homunculus to Homunculus:
Greed is named Greed because he is greedy.
Lust is named Lust because she was lusted after.
Sloth is named Sloth because she was a failure due to her children not practicing enough? Even though the transmutation always goes wrong anyway?

I liked Al more than Ed

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>>135342787
Look at this beta-cuck.

>>135350128
Lust also probably got that name due to her creator losing his genitals to equivalent exchange.

>>135339247
I recently watched Star of Milos

it felt like some MGS plot with how many twists they threw at you within 20 minutes

I feel like I'm the only person in this thread who appreciate both the manga/Brotherhood and the 2003 for different reasons.

Tell me I'm not alone, /a/.

>>135351807
/a/ here, you're not alone.

>>135351807
No I too enjoy them both for different reasons. Slightly prefer 2003 but I respect them both equally.

>>135349210
What??

>>135319297
This. I've watched the 2003 version 3 times and I haven't even managed to finish brotherhood. This I feel is mainly because the new soundtrack isn't even in the same league as the old one, and a big part of me just feel that most of the scenes in the new one have no impact due to this.

I still listen to many of the tracks on the old soundtrack from time to time.

>>135324691
Rhythmically they're pretty different. And that sort of i-iv-VII-III downward sequence melodic motif (especially that one in particular) is really common

>>135320249
Salty

>>135352753
The main problem in brotherhood is the quality of animation and the colors. They just suck too much.

>>135339247
Shambala was fucking great for so many reasons up until the retarded fight at the end.

They bring back Ughes, they give us both normal Alphons, but also present us an aged, other Alphons that would have been what the normal one would look like without the ritual.
Less cocky Mustang. good drama in our world, lots of intriguing stuff.

Then the fucking fight happened and the retarded vessels/transformation of the bitch that made no sense.

Ending was god tier, especially th after credits.

>2003 was edgier so it's better

Jesus...

>>135356685
>edge meme
educate yourself edgelord

>>135356685
If you think FMA 2003 is edgy because it doesn't end on a perfect happy ending you completely missed the point.

Ed and Alphons are happy at the end. The idea is that life can give you shit no matter what sacrifice you make and you just have to make do with that and find good where you can.
Which is imo much more mature than the work hard/feelzgoodok platitude the author threw at us. Not only that but the brothers separating on their own/Ed fucking winry was completely retarded but that's something else entirely.

>the 2003 fans still screaming at the top of their lungs, even now, five or so years after the manga ended
It's amazing how you continue beating a dead horse, this Brotherhood/2003 "debate" is stuck somewhere back in 2009. The Brotherhood fans have moved on, so why can't you?

>>135357374
It's just like JoJo. You gotta remind the plebs the old one was way better lest they forget.

You're all wrong, the manga is the only FMA worth mentioning.

>2003 anime circlejerk thread
Disgusting.

>>135358090
>circlejerk
Fuck off, illiterate idiot.

Threads like this are pointless.

They both have their good and bad points, but they're almost impossible to compare; might as well be two completely different shows that just so happens to share the same name.