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We should have a serious, in-depth Fate discussion.

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We should have a serious, in-depth Fate discussion.
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Gilgamesh own all the banks.
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I want to fuck Rin
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>>135060888
Fate is shit. Here's your discussion.
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>>135061052
>Typemoon is shit. here's your discussion.
ftfy

this said, let's talk about Medea-san and how she's the best.
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If Zouken's main body is in Sakura, and Shirou has sex with Sakura, does in then in turn have sex with Zouken?

Discuss.
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>>135061162

I think he fucks them both.
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>>135060888

Fate/ was really just who has the bigger dick between Shirou and Gilgamesh, if you look at it from a Freudian psychological point of view, the swords that Shirou always dreams about represents penis. So whenever he constructs swords out of his hands or in his mind he is really just giving birth to penises, the final fight between Shirou and Gil was really just comparing dick sizes to see who has the bigger dick.
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Could Ryougi kill servants?
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Luvia best girl
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>>135061162
Shirou fucks old men for free.
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>>135061453
Could any SHIKI defeat a servant?
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>>135061493

Even Rin agrees.
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>>135061433
reminds me of this

(1) good will eventually prevail over evil

(2) creation was initially perfectly good, but was subsequently corrupted by evil

(3) the world will ultimately be restored to the perfection it had at the time of creation

(4) each human bears the responsibility for the fate of his own soul, and simultaneously shares in the responsibility for the fate of the world.

https://autisticcatdesu.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/fatestay-night-the-zoroastrian-epic/
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>>135061563
Where is this from? I've completely dropped out from Fate stuff lately.
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Who are your top five Type moons? Mine are: Arc, Medusa, Ayako Mitsuzuri, Luvia and Tōko Aozaki.
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Don't you always discuss this shit seriously?
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>>135061782
Not since the UBW anime started airing.
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I fell asleep twice during the first season.Overrated shit.
>Inb4 "2deep4u go watch moe!"
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>>135061752

Prisma Drama CD. They demonstrate Mana Transfer.

http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2206144?tags=luviagelita_edelfelt
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>>135061563
>>135062030
Will we finally get doujins of these two now?
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>>135062104

We can only hope.
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>>135061433
>Freudian
Fuck off with your Freud bullshit. Freud was a literal faggot.
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>>135060888
Fate is seriously and in-every-depth bad.
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>>135062104
Id rather have Genderbend Kirei x GB Goldie
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So I just finished the VN last night, and I have to ask, how the fuck do you make a girl so worst that turning her into a "muh shadows" edgemistress becomes an improvement?
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>>135060888
>We should have a serious, in-depth discussion about some porn game that's over a decade old
I don't get it
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Shirou can kill Gilgamesh who is a Servant.
Shirou is a highschool student.
Shiki can kill highschool students so he can kill Shirou.
From this we can assume that Shiki can kill Servants.

Checkmate atheists.
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>>135060888
Emiya Archer can beat saber alter
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My dick can beat Luvia
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>>135063809

Only Tohsaka's anus can do that.
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Best girl
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>>135061831
Too deep for you go watch moeshit
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Saber is actually American.
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>>135060888
Go back to your containment thread you filthy EOP.
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>>135064358

>Watoson

Kek
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>>135064358
>Watoson
>Watson
Oh nippon
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Why do I have to go through so many workarounds just to get some shitty card game app? Fuck Grand Order and smartphones in general.
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>>135064185
Ded maid.
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>>135062252
I would kill to see that
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>>135061720
How is creation evil?
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Can servants impregnate human girls?
If yes, will the pregnancy be affected when they disappear as the war reaches its conclusion?
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>>135066788
Yes, servants can impregnate human girls and no it doesn't get affected at all just as destruction doesn't magically go away.
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>>135061028
I want to make love to Rin.
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Why is Waver so poorly written? It's as if everything about his character is thrown away when he summons Rider and the whole story is about him going back to his status quo.
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>>135062154
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>>135067295
Cause he turns into a fag.
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>>135067295
He's a teenage kid who never experienced any super real shit, and was cocky to prove himself. When it came time to do that though, it turned out reality was pretty brutal, and he wasn't as tough as he thought he was.

The story builds him up into becoming the man he thought he was at the beginning.
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>>135067846
I still think his team got it waay too easy. Like how Saber spared them both, or how Gil complimented him and Rider and let him live.

Rider shouldve died against Saber. Saber and Gil fight somehow and Waver has to deal with Kariya & Berserker alone.
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>>135066634
Life = suffering. Any act of creation is an act that creates suffering. Suffering is bad. Therefore the act of creation is bad. Creation is bad.
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Which Tm character would you most like to punch in the face?
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>>135069054
Shirou
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>>135060888
Why isn't Kara No Kyoukai canon?
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>>135069054
Zouken
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>>135069192
It is.
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>>135069366
no, tsukihime is
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>>135069054
Kirei.

I like seeing smug characters taken down a peg.
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>>135069054
I'm having trouble deciding between Shirou, Manaka, and Gilgamesh. Probably Shirou. Because fuck that guy.
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>>135060888
You can't have TM threads on /a/ anymore. You were able to until the first half of 2014, but then shitposting skyrocketed. I blame mods.

btw I just felt like browsing this board a bit, now I frequent other boards. /a/ is really bad now with a lot of casual scum, just what every oldfag tried to get away from. Have fun if you can.
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>>135069054
I'd love to punch Kirei or Gilgamesh in the face with a fist of swords.
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>>135068033
Why? I can understand Gil killing them for shit and giggles, but the others don't really make sense. Saber is an honorable knight and shit, so killing Waver is out. Killing Rider is also kinda out, she did form alliances and truces with other servants, though technically that was in the future.

Kariya likely wouldn't have touched him either, all he cared was getting the HG to save Sakura, a servantless master means nothing.
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>>135069528
Okay.
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>>135069528
TM discussion in neo-/a/ involves waifu circlejerking, shipping, and spamming unfunny memes such as "le rin pleases old men xDD"
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>>135069415
Where do you think Shirou's new body came from? Relative to FSN tsukihime is actually less canon, the only common thread being Zelretch, and he can teleport through different universes so that doesn't really count.
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>>135069192

because it is objectively shit
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>>135069706
Nah, we get the odd awesome thread. Sure most of them are shit but thats entirely down to the lone shitposter who constantly makes bait threads.
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>>135069719
There's a Touko in both universes.

Tsukihime and Fate take place in the same universe, as confirmed by Nasu. Since Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime can't co-exist, Kara no Kyoukai is an alternate universe. According to Nasu, there can only be one user of the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception per universe.
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If a Heroic Spirit in the Throne can read the records of one his copies after it dies on earth and returns to him, and the Throne itself exists out of time, wouldn't this mean that very single Servant knows beforehand the result of their battle in a war? Or are their memories altered when being summoned?
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>>135061157
I don't say Typemoon because Tsukihime is funny enough that I can enjoy.
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>>135071729
>If a Heroic Spirit in the Throne can read the records of one his copies after it dies on earth and returns to him

Can they? I've seen people say this when talking about Archer's resolution in UBW, but never any citations.
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>>135071729
The records are practically infinite, vague and heavily disordered due to the outside-of-time nature of the Throne.
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>>135060888
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>>135071931
Does anyone have the dub version of this scene? I want to hear how they translated it.
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>>135069706
>spamming unfunny memes such as "le rin pleases old men xDD"
That's nothing new. Just look at "wormslut".
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>>135069054
Roa, then Luvia
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>>135069192
Cause there can't be 2 MEoDP users in the same timeframe.
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>>135072472
Worm-anon spotted
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>>135072091
If you have US netflix, you could just skip to the end of the episode. Pretty much every translation since the original one has changed what Shirou said there, even the official translations of episode 21.
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>>135069415
Tsukihime is a dead franchise. The canon arc is the one in Fate Extra.
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>>135069054
Rin.
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>>135060888
>We should have a serious, in-depth Fate discussion

UGH. FUCK OFF.

There's nothing deep about Fate. Just like there's nothing deep about Evagelion or any anime ever. PISS OFF, FATEFAGS!
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>>135072547
>DUDE WORMS LMAO XD
Yup, just like that. People have been at it since the very beginning.
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>>135069054
Shinji.
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>>135071640
>According to Nasu, there can only be one user of the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception per universe.

Technically not true. There can only be one MEoDP FROM a given universe, but if Second Magic bullshit happens more than one can end up in the same universe.

See Actress Again. Though I think that was Gaia or Alaya bullshit rather than Zelretch bullshit.
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>>135073155
That's an anomaly. Dimensional travel is obviously an exemption from the rule.

Point is, up until then, Tohno Shiki was the only one who had the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.

Also, there are no True Ancestors in Rakkyo's world either.
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>>135072879
Didn't like EVA? what's the matter... too DEEP for you?
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>herp derp porn game

It took 4 years for retarded casuals to figure out what Zero was based on. Who cares.
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>>135071535
And mods do nothing.
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>>135060888
>porn game
>serious discussion
fatefags...lol
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>all this shitposting and secondaries in an actual attempt to have a good thread

Fucking hell, Type-Moon's fanbase will forever be cursed by Fate/Zero.
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Best Turkeyhandle, best Melty, Best Type Moon.
Prove me wrong.
Protip: You Can't
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Don't take fate so seriously.
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>>135060888
God VNs are pure cancer.
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>>135068760
How do you stop creation?
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>>135079871
You kill God.
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>>135080022
>You kill God
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>>135061505

Rin isn't going to like someone moving in on her turf.
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Why is Rin popular when she's a bitch who thinks she's too good to have friends?
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>>135081919
smart, pretty, athletic, etc
people admire her as a school idol
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can gaia be killed?
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>>135076306
There are still people who think F/Z is a VN.
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>>135081919

She has friends doesn't she?
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>>135082131
Ayako can be considered her best friend and she's friendly with the track team trio. Beyond that, we never learn that much more about the friends she has at school.
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>>135082078
Humanity has been slowly killing it for thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of years.

The Aylesbury Ritual going wrong can mortally wound it as well.

Besides that, maybe a catastrophic impact that puts the K-T Extinction Event to shame.
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>>135076533
No, the shitposting was brought by the UBW anime. Zero aired years ago and the threads were fun even with the secondary.

UBW threads were cancer.
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>>135081919
Rin is the best because she is the best.
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>>135082650
Just because she's the best doesn't mean she's the best.
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>>135082574
UBW threads were only as bad as they were because of Zero, for a couple of different reasons.

First, we had the secondaries who watched Zero but didn't follow through in any way between series. They came in expecting more Zero, and were disappointed in the lack of that Urobuchi edge, and proceeded to shitpost about it.

Second, related to the fist, were the people who missed the Zero boat, but still heard about it and watched UBW. Or the people who'd heard about the 2006 series, or the VNs, or Kaleid Liner, or whatever else. They were largely similar to the first group, though. They shitposted because the series didn't meet their expectations.

Third was the seasonal shitposters. Zero was good, and it was popular, so the sequel was of course a prime target for shitposting. If Zero didn't take off like it did, seasonal shitposting would have still happened because of TM's eternal presence on /a/, but it wouldn't have been as bad.

Last were the purists, the actual TMfags that hated the secondaries Zero brought so much it either drove them to shitpost back at the secondaries, or made them blind to the bait of the shitposters.

Zero was the cause of the infection. UBW just showed the symptoms had worsened.
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>>135083245
When the anime was announced was the best time for these threads.
A lot of activity, but it was all people who'd read the VN.
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>>135082650

Best at what? At whistling? At walking backwards? At peeing standing up?
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>>135083245
With more general TM anime on the way, I'm hoping that Zero being the "face" of the franchise to secondaries will soon be eroded. There are talks of a Grand Order anime being announced soon.
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>>135082650
>>135083418
Best at being oppressive, greedy, and loud like a myna bird.
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>>135083482
Rin has way more heart than Ilya.
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>>135083482

Beethoven's Myna Bird?
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>>135083514
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>>135083563
I want to bully Liz
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OHOHOHOHO! Tohsaka Rin pleases old men for money!

http://pastebin.com/x7PS1Dnb
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>>135083563
I think Liz needs a hand.
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>>135061493
Can someone remind me where this happens? Cant remember it.
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/a/ will never be free from Fateshit.
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>>135083820

Fate's been on /a/ since the very moment /a/ was created.
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>>135083430
Wait, that's not just HF news?
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>>135061453
Yes,I imagine shes match for Seiba
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>>135061453
Hell no.
Tohno has better odds.
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>>135083245
The whole situation is a mess, and there are still threads like these >>135081333 being made frequently that people who didn;t read the VN legitimately believe
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>>135083482
>>135083514
>Rin has way more heart than Ilya.
Rinfag here. Even I can tell that was going too far.
Apologize to the loli immediately.
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>>135083842
Isn't /a/ older than Fate? I'd believe you if you said Type-Moon, though.
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>>135084028
I've heard that they're planning on announcing something with Mashu/Shielder's seiyuu, and the only other roles she has in TM are other Grand Order Servants.
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>>135080022
If you can kill a God than it's not a God.
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>>135084193

By about a year, but Fate has been with /a/ ever since it was first released.
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>>135084193
The panel mostly looks like it's going to consist of GO VAs, with the sole exception being Sugiyama, who's there.

If it was HF news I'd think it'd be a more general FSN cast, or at least have Sakura's VA there.
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>>135084219
>>135084282
Noriaki Sugiyama (Shirou) will be there. It's not an F/GO anime.
It has the F/GO logo because it's the most lucrative ongoing cash cow project for Type Moon ATM.
There will be a ton of ads for it and maybe a Drama CD, but that will be all for any GO related material.
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>>135083245
no, the most cancerous posters were the VNfags who keep saying why is Shirou's lifting right hand instead of the left one. WORSE ADAPTATION EVER.
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>>135084322
Can we be so certain?
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>>135084331
nice strawman
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>>135084366
Not him, but I agree somewhat. I mean we did have folks like the Cooking Priest brigade.

I mean Jesus, I still can't believe he wasn't being ironic.
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>>135068760
>Life is good
>Suffering is a part of life
>Therefore suffering is good as long as it is a part of life

See the problem here? You can't just go around, claming that some concepts are "evil" or "good", that's retarded. We don't really have a distinction between good and evil in real life, 'cause those are concepts created by man, which are helpful only to us, humans, but not for the universe as a whole.
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>>135084405
>people are disappointed at rushed adaptation with michael bay explosions and fanservice shots of rin's legs everywhere
>T-THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT SHIROU LIFTING THE WRONG HAND!
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>>135084476
Put your trip on.
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>>135084363
Yes, I expect HF anime news rather than a GO one.
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>>135084541
Have they announced if any Ufotable guys are gonna be there? That would be the big clue.
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>>135084563
Not that I know of, just the VAs.
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>>135084692
See if that's the case that's what makes me wonder. Sakura's VA isn't there, no Ufotable guys. Unless they're keeping it on the down low to not make it obvious.
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>>135084725
Isn't Sakura's VA pregnant?
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>>135084767
She is, yeah, but you'd think she'd still try to be there, or they'd arrange something. Rin's VA should also probably be there too, but she seems AWOL.

It's just GO people plus Shirou's VA. If it's not a Grand Order anime, I hope it's at least not some fluff, like pure announcements for the game, or some manga that'll never be scanned and translated.
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Why is Shielder the best kouhai?
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This was such a good moment.
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>>135084855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awH9oO95sNk

the line spoken by her is from the normal end. ii can't tell if it means they are adapting it?
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>>135084899
They haven't even entered pre-production as of last summer, that event took place almost a year before it.

They ended up adapting UBW Good though, so I'm sure they'll make a BD special out of HF Normal too.
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>>135084822
>Rin's VA should also probably be there too, but she seems AWOL.
Didn't Rin's VA recently die from a respiratory disease? the one who raised her own death flag by saying if she pulled through she would like to get married.
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>>135084976
That was Hisui's.

There would have been a way fucking bigger uproar Ueda who died. She's a fair bit more mainstream.
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>>135084976
...you're thinking of miyu matsuki who voices hisui from tsukihime, not rin.
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>>135085006
>>135085011
Glad they don't have to recast Rin. Although Rider being recast would be hell.
Also, didn't Rin's VA voice Hisui in Shingetsutan Tsukihime?
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>>135085092
Nope she voiced Kohaku.
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>>135085129
Thanks. Here's a clip of her playing Halo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlVxXwlAoM
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>>135060888
GREAT WRITING
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>>135085161
And here I thought Rin was a Sonyfag.
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>>135085197
Rin is a pong console fag
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>>135084331
The direction of the second half is just abysmal.
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>>135085221
I disagree. The best episodes were in the second half.
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>>135085232
That isn't saying much.
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>>135085221
The second half was great IMO.
Zero's second half on the other hand was shit compared to the LN. Everything went downhill after the young Kerry arc.
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>>135085232
And as a whole it was worse than first one and prolog.
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>>135085287
I thought the first half was really solid, but the ones that left an image in my mind were definitely in the second half.
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Can archer charge a caladbolg and then make 20 or 50 copies of it in mid air with the already charged attribute and shoot them to wreck havoc on humanity?
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>>135085315
The prologue was amazing, I'm not gonna deny that, but in terms of weak episodes to strong episodes it's about even in my book.

I mean people say episode 22 was slow, but so was episode 4. 19 was real talky, but that was the case with 9.
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>>135081919
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>>135085376
Would probably use way too much magical energy. It takes him quite a bit to just charge up one of them.
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>>135085376
With UBW up he could make 20 or 50 copies of uncharged Caladbolg instantly. Charging one and copying it is not possible, though.
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>>135085403
>It takes him quite a bit to just charge up one of them.
It doesn't. Just look at Archer vs. Caster round one.
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>>135085391
From my perspective after the Fillersviel scene and sorrows of young IIlya, it was episode 15 I think there was nothing very interesting exept for maybe Archer vs Shirou. Final Arc was too long and Gilgamesh in compare to Kirei or Zouken is a shitty villain (I mean i know that it had to be that way but still it was as bad an in VN)
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>>135085647
>implying Kirei is a good villain
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>>135085647
The Ilya scene in episode 15 served a purpose. You, the person reading and watching, are supposed to care about Ilya at this point in the narrative. In the VN, you've read Fate and by the time that's done, she's happily living with Shirou, so in UBW, it should shock you that this person you've come to care about is dead.

With UBW, they didn't directly have Fate to tie into things, and while it's true there's the 2006 series and the VN that they could have just told you to look at, there was still Zero, which Ufotable had made, and Ilya was a character there, so what they did was bridge some things regarding her and the events from that story into UBW. It was a bit patchwork, but I see the intent.

And really, Archer is the villain of UBW. He's the biggest enemy Shirou has to overcome. His own future and the worry of his doubts about his ideal.

What Gilgamesh functions is is as a final obstacle for Shirou to overcome and a capping off of the themes of UBW.

Shirou, after dealing with Archer, is resolute in following his path of becoming a hero, and while that's all well and good, so far it's mostly just been talk. He needs to prove himself, and so the story presents Gilgamesh.

Gilgamesh is the /King/ of Heroes, and has a plan that would essentially destroy the world. He's the toughest guy shown in the narrative thus far, and Shirou is placed with having to overcome him.

Thematically Gil works great, because all throughout the story there's the theme of imitation. Shirou is an imitation hero with an imitation ideal whose own powers are to imitation. Gil is the original hero who owns all the original weapons, and has a plan that starkly goes against Shirou.

To prove himself, to prove he can be a hero, and to prove that an imitation can surpass an original, Shirou needs to defeat.

Gil really works as a neat little bow tying up everything in the story.
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>>135085647
Caster and Gilgamesh were laughably bad antagonists.
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>>135085843
>Seriously replying to obvious bait
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>>135085896
I like the Caster arc. It removes Shirou's training wheels and forces him to learn to be capable on his own. I also like that it doesn't end back at status quo, with Saber as his servant.

It also helps that, in terms of things overall, Caster certainly isn't one of the least developed servants, especially if you take things like HA into account.
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>>135085843
the bullshit flashback served more purpose than Caster's FIller master, but ITs full of needless tryhard edge and a pacing killer interruption. no explanation on why Illya in winter forest is even happening. Ufo missed the point.
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>>135085896
The UBW VN fleshed out Caster's character as such to make her into a tragic and sympathetic character in spite of the evils she pulled upon Shiro, Rin and the Fuyuki populace. The anime adaptation here removed most mentions of her past while alive and had some rather noticeable inconsistencies in the depiction of her character due to a combination of altered content or removed key scenes.

Gilgamesh is a complex villain with believable motives as well as the perfect cornerstone for the route, how is he bad?
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>>135085988
Caster's master is straight up canon now, he's shown up in Case Files, so in terms of overall stuff, that's not filler.

And I guess they didn't explain why she was specifically outside, but I don't think that's super important, since they already went over that the Einzberns were putting her through some real shit.
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>>135086053
Case Files sounds real fucking interesting.
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>>135086053
THe episode was emotionally dull as fuck. The atmosphere was not portrayed correctly (muh michael bay slow motion and edgelordery flashback), Illya/Berserker bond was understated with her calling for him when he's MILIMETERS BEHIND HIM. most of Winter Forest context was missing and most of filler additions non-canon and pointless.
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>>135086178
>muh michael bay slow motion and edgelordery flashback
Did someone say Fate/Zero?
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>>135060888
>We should have a serious, in-depth Fate discussion.
Said no one ever
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>>135086070
Could have done without the ridiculous Saber descendant. Saber didn't have any kids other than Mordred, and Mordred also died. Where the hell did the descendant come from?
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>>135086178
Well shit, that's your opinion. I thought it was fine.

I though do think it's kind of funny that you're trumpeting out "edgy" when this is literally the set up for the the Ilya heart grabbing scene.
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Here is my christmas gifts for you guys, headphones recommended.

https://my.mixtape.moe/aqovcq.webm
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>>135086236
I did in /vn/, then someone reposted it here.
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>>135086261
You added sound effects to the OP?

Neat.
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>>135086301
I added for one punch man too, this is not an OPM thread but it got really nice.

https://my.mixtape.moe/avfgpg.webm
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>there will never be a Taiga route
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>>135060888
Who can beat Saitama from this franchise?
Protip : There isn't
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>>135086578
Ryougi Shiki
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>>135086578
A well placed cut from Shiki.
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>>135086053
He's an equip card in Grand Order as well, but it's a largely garbage card.
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>>135086578
Normal punches and weapons don't affect servants, so Saitama can't beat them either. Maybe he can beat Gil because he has a human body in F/SN, but not the rest.
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>>135086648
They made his card garbage just like his UBW episode, meta as fuck.
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>>135086578
anemic schoolboy,girl with a katana and punch of maguses.
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>>135086655
>Normal punches and weapons don't affect dematerialized servants
Fixed.
A material servant can be destroyed by physical action, so long as you damage the brain or heart to cause the spiritual core to rupture.
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>>135086578
From the extended setting, fomorian Balor. Just by looking at a mortal with his evil eye, they will die.
Also True Demon Kiara Sessyoin, who can liquefy any existence that can experience a sensation analogous to pleasure.
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>>135086562
tfw no mordred route
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>>135086738
>A material servant can be destroyed by physical action
Citation needed.
Servants can only be destroyed by magic or other servants, who are basically spirits made of magic.
Notice how Kuzuki beat Saber to a pulp when he was reinforced by Caster's magic but his punches couldn't damage Archer when he fought him after Caster died.
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>>135086806

Fate/Complete Material III: World Material

>Spiritual Body and Material Body

>“Spiritual Body” is a word that describes an existence with spiritual properties. In other words, a shape is constructed without relying on components with physical properties. On the other hand, “Material Body” means something that is identical in structure as our flesh bodies. A Material Body, just like us, cannot walk through walls, and will hurt and become wounded when beaten with an iron baton. However, a Spirit Body is capable of completely disregarding such physical interference. Attacking a Spiritual Body with a baton or sword (unless they are magical items) will only hit empty space.
>When Servants materialise, they acquire Material Bodies in this world. They can also switch to Spiritual Bodies through their will. Spiritual Bodies have the advantages such as low mana consumption, and difficult to be detected by enemies. One of the properties of a Spiritual Body is that it is unaffected by physical interference, but conversely it is difficult for a Spiritual Body to affect a Material Body. As a result, Servants Materialise when engaging in combat.

Significant parts:
>A Material Body, just like us, cannot walk through walls, and will hurt and become wounded when beaten with an iron baton.
>When Servants materialise, they acquire Material Bodies in this world.


Magic helps a lot because actually damaging a servant is ridiculous by typical standards, they can shrug off tank shells or missile strikes with relative ease. Their bodies are freaky hard to damage. The magic given to Kuzuki was strengthening, which amplified his ability to devastating levels.
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I want Archer to fuck me
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>>135086806
>Notice how Kuzuki beat Saber to a pulp when he was reinforced by Caster's magic but his punches couldn't damage Archer when he fought him after Caster died.

Notice how Kuzuki was being powered by Caster's magic, and without it, he was small time compared to a servant?

I mean that doesn't make any sense, remember when Rin just straight up sucker punched Caster with her karate?
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Why dont servants fight each other to see who can cum first?
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>>135086870
Rin was boosted by her own magic. It's not as powerful as Caster's, but at the same time Caster's defenses are weaker than Saber's.
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>>135086802
>tfw Saber will never teach Mordred how to please a man
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>>135086892
The answer is Saber.
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>>135086859
We've never seen a purely physical feat damage or destroy a servant. Regardless of what could happen in theory, in practice, servants need to be killed by magic-related attacks. And the spiritual core can ONLY be damaged by magic anyways.
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>>135087089
>We've never seen a purely physical feat damage or destroy a servant.
Because it's stupidly difficult to manage.
>Regardless of what could happen in theory, in practice, servants need to be killed by magic-related attacks
The very retarded original point of this was Saitama, who's strength is essentially "arbitrary value". Established practice is irrelevant.
>And the spiritual core can ONLY be damaged by magic anyways.
The spiritual core will become unable to retain magical energy if the brain or heart are damaged, also from Complete Material III. It does not say by what manner.
Attacks from magical sources will drain magical energy from the spirit even if they do not hit the core, but attacks to the heart or brain impact the core directly.
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>>135071931
More like Aniplex subs in a nutshell.
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>>135087147
That's actually Crunchyroll.
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>>135087144
>Saitama, who's strength is essentially "arbitrary value". Established practice is irrelevant.
His strength in a vs match is as high as his greatest feat of strength, don't bullshit me.
Saitama is still not even a planet buster.
And we don't have feats or even calcs on servant's pure physical resistance.
We only know that Nasu said no modern weapon can do a thing to them.
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>>135087272
The most durable thing below god level in Type-Moon is Nrvnqsr Chaos's soil of genesis, which only requires firepower equivalent to a continent to destroy. That is a level of output that Arcueid is hard-pressed to match at 30% power, thus, it is higher than what a servant would be capable of resisting.
Unless you're saying soil of genesis could be broken by a servant but not 30% Arcueid (who is 5x servant level) somehow.

Saitama's serious punch is clearly a continent-level attack.
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>>135060888
I think swordspam is a cool power. So good on Fate I guess.
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>>135087464
It could probably be beaten by Ea or Excalibur.

Gae Bolg might be able to take Nrvnqsr out.
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>>135087536
Ea would wreck Nrvnqsr because of its anti-Reality Marble properties. Excalibur would probably have a tough time.
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>>135087536
Ea definitely. Excalibur no way.
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>>135087536
Enuma Elish and Excalibur are more than enough to obliterate servants on their own.
Without utterly formidable defensive measures like Pegasus or Gordius Wheel, no servant will survive, even 12 life Heracles or 10% damage Karna.
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>>135087464
Nothing of what you brought up is about conventional physical resistance.
A fight between Dead Apostles/True Ancestors/Servants is still a fight of magical beings.
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>>135087567
It should be fine. Soil of Genesis is tough, but it's not as if Nrvnqsr himself is invincible. Arcueid was able to destroy a number of Nrvnqsr's bodies with pure force. Considering how huge and powerful Excalibur is, being the second-most powerful direct damage Noble Phantasm in the series so far, it should be able to wipe out all of Nrvnqsr's bodies in one blow.

After all, at full power, it can even take out all of Berserker's stock of lives.

>>135087593
You're underestimating Excalibur. In terms of sheer powerful, it's the second-most powerful of all Noble Phantasms, and its AOE is pretty huge, as shown in Fate/hollow ataraxia.
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>>135087648
Still not enough to destroy a continent.
You're overestimating it.
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>>135087644
There's no need for magic when dealing with Dead Apostles. Destroying Soil of Genesis only requires sheer firepower, not magic.
Even a completely ordinary shotgun can harm vampires, though their curse of regeneration will undo the damage in short order.
So, again, you're saying a servant is more durable than a continent, and Arcueid who is 5x stronger than a servant would be hard pressed to damage a servant?
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>>135086802
best saber. cant wait for her to appear in FGO
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>>135087648
>being the second-most powerful direct damage Noble Phantasm in the series so far
I think it might be third or fourth. Proto Arthur's Excalibur is EX rank compared to Arturia's A++, and Proto Gil's big attack whose name I forget might be stronger as well.
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>>135087593
>Excalibur no way
Yes way. A degraded Excalibur traced by Shirou destroyed the Great Holy Grail. Chaos is not on that level.
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>>135087687
That's not the Knight of the Sun.
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>>135087648
>Soil of Genesis is tough, but it's not as if Nrvnqsr himself is invincible
You seem to have mistaken something about the existence of Chaos.
Soil of Genesis is Nrvnqsr, it is 500 Nrvnqsr arrayed in a binding cage.
You can't destroy him and not destroy it. At best, you can make him collapse the array and bring the 500 souls back into mobile form.
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New Holy Grail with Rabbit Guardian when?
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>>135087679
>you're saying a servant is more durable than a continent, and Arcueid who is 5x stronger than a servant would be hard pressed to damage a servant
Your logic is full of holes.
Arc could rape a servant using her Marble Phantasm but still have a hard time by only using her claws. No one said HOW Arc could defeat servants.
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>>135087700
We have no idea what makes Prototype Saber's Excalibur EX rank, don't assume it's just higher output.
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>>135087724
I think he's mixing up Soil of Genesis the cage with Chaos the goopy black shit that Nrvnqsr is made of.
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>>135087752
Your logic is the questionable one saying servants are more durable than continents.
Arcueid would not have a hard time fighting a servant in any manner. Her statistics are far, far superior. In terms of physical output, she is their greater by far.

You are making the extremely bizarre assumption that servants require inordinately MORE damage from nonmagical attacks, but that is not the case. They require inordinate damage from any source, and magical effects are just a really goddamn good source of damage.
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>>135087724
Nrvnqsr isn't invincible. In fact, he needs to consume large quantities of flesh in order to keep himself going. Even after devouring an entire hotel full of people, he was still hungry the next night.

Furthermore, you can't really quantify Excalibur's power in that manner. Excalibur can't destroy entire continents due to its range, not its power. We don't know the full limits of Excalibur's attack power. What we do know, however, is that in terms of power, it transcends even Karna's Anti-Country Noble Phantasm Brahmastra Kundala.
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>>135087790
>Arcueid would not have a hard time fighting a servant in any manner
Citation needed.
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>>135060888
Can Saitama kill servants?
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>>135081919
I've been waiting a long time to post this meme...
it's name is...


EXSU-CARIBAIT!
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>>135087831
No. He can't harm them, but they probably can't harm them too, unless they have conceptual shit like Gae Bolg, that always pierces the heart.
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>>135087829
Fate/Extra.
Before you say "but she's gotta magic there since she's a servant too", no. She's just her ordinary elemental self. She wasn't summoned by the Moon Cell, she was dragged to the moon by Gatou. She isn't a real servant. She's just designated as a servant because the Moon Cell was confused as fuck. Gatou did no summoning.
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>>135087864
>Fate/Extra
kek
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>>135087864
No, she is a Servant. She wasn't summoned, but she was forced to adhere to the rules of the Grail War and was forced into a Servant mold. And that made her WAY weaker than normal.
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>>135087922
No, you're making assumptions. She wasn't weakened by the servant model, but by her master's image of her which demoted her from Planet to God. It locked away her incredibly broken skills and diminished her statistics. Being a servant had nothing to do with it.
In her "real" servant class of Funny Vamp, she'd have all her ridiculous stats.
But she's not a servant to begin with. She's an elemental along for the ride. The Moon Cell just responded "what the fuck is that? whatever, I guess it's your servant".
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>>135087922
To be fair, the reason she was weaker was because A) She was a Berserker who couldn't even receive Mad Enhancement and 2) her Master was so inept that he actually made her further weaker still.

Don't blame the Servant system for her weakness in that game. It was all that idiot zealot's fault.
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>>135067406
>left->right
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>>135087948
All this unquoted bullshit...
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>>135087962
Fucking play Fate/Extra you shit, it's in her completed matrix.
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Also, additionally, you can't really compare the Moon Cell's Servant system to the Fuyuki Grail's version. Some Servants are rendered stronger or weaker due to how the Moon Cell works. Divine Spirits can actually become even stronger than Arcueid in this setting, even though that wouldn't be possible on Earth.
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Honestly, I miss BRAAAAAVEEEE SHIIIINEEEEEEE
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>>135061453
Memeing aside, both Ryougi and Tohno basically get destroyed because Servants are just way better at fighting and both Shikis are only human. Void Shiki can at least put up a defensive fight, though.
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>>135087995
That has nothing to do with anything and is a transparent deflection tactic. You can explicitly make your servants stronger than they ever were in life (they literally SAY so after Alteration of the Soul), and Arcueid can still fuck them up.
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>>135088007
Why did you reply to 12-hour-old bait?
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>>135087982
No it's not. I just checked.
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>>135088021
Because its fun
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>>135088019
You've been mixing lore mechanics with game mechanics all this time, get your shit together, because burden of proof is on your side.
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>>135087962
>>135088022
It's from Extra Material and Complete Material IV.

From the former:
>Not actually a Servant, but a mysterious creature Gato brought with him from the Earth
>Incidentally, in the EXTRA world where the information world has become more mainstream than the physical world, she isn't so all-powerful.
>In the information world, legends become truth, so the deifications of natural phenomena, the so-called "Gods" often have powers greater than that of the original natural phenomena.

And more importantly, the latter:
>Berserker was originally an spirit from the Earth called "True Ancestor" but, due to Gatou's misconceptions that say "she = God" her status downgraded from Planet to God, making her unable to properly display her abilities.
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>>135087717
>Sir Gawain
good choice, 3rd best in my list. cant say no to this.
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>>135088022
Blind Rage [A→C]
Raises all basic stats at the cost of impairing high-level cognitive thought...the effects of which have been made more severe due to the incompetency of the Master.

Demonic Eye [A→C]
Those who possess the ability of Demonic Eyes are capable of influencing the outside world...the effectiveness of which has been severely reduced due to the incompetency of the Master.

Origin of All [EX→X]
The Ultimate One.
By receiving support from the planet itself, one's entire being is raised one class above the opposition's. Unfortunately, this ability has been rendered useless due to the incompetency of the Master.


02 - "True Ancestor"
A true Ancestor who has been twisted and warped by Monji Gatou's delusions.

Because she is first and foremost an Elemental of the Earth, her presence and activities in the Moon Cell causes excessive stress within the systems. Although categorized as a Berserker, her original class was actually more akin to "Temptress" [Funny Vamp in japanese] than anything else.
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>>135088047
There's no fucking game mechanics here. Alteration of the Soul is part of the lore. (Your servant is canonically weaker than their real self. They can become as strong or stronger.) Enemy servants being able to kill your servant is part of the lore. Fuck off.
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>>135088019
Alteration of the Soul is just a gameplay thing, and in the course of normal play, it's not as amazing as you think it is. In any case, that's not even what I'm talking about.

In the Moon Cell, some Servants' abilities get boosted. Archer, for instance, can use Gradation Air to recreate divine-forged weapons, something he wasn't originally able to do on Earth. Solar deities like Amaterasu are granted an inherently higher position. All myths are considered true, so Bodhisattvas and primordial deities have unfathomable power.

Meanwhile, other Servants get gimped. It doesn't matter much in this case, but Gilgamesh is actually technically weaker in EXTRA, due to the Moon Cell being unable to render the entirety of his treasury properly. Of course, in the long run, it's not really an issue, since not even Gilgamesh is aware of the full contents of his treasury.
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>>135088092
Still has nothing to do with anything.
And alteration of the soul is part of the canon. The exact how and why of it is gameplay, but your servant does regain their strength over the course of the story.
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>>135088061
Where does it say she's not a fucking servant?
And the Funny Vamp thing is obviously a joke, moron.
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>>135088137
>Where does it say she's not a fucking servant?

Right here: >>135088056
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>>135088112
It's canon, but you're overestimating how amazing it is.

It has diminished returns the stronger your Servant gets. For Hakuno, whose Servant is at their weakest state possible, it's a great boon, but for other Servants, it's little more than a minor boost. A little bit of insurance. That's why you never run into anything with all A-class stats, unless that's actually the Servant's natural state. It's much easier to go from E-rank to C-rank than it is to go from B-rank to A-rank. There's also a Servant's natural aptitudes to consider.

Basically, Alteration of the Soul is just a minor power-up for most Masters, and an equalizer for Hakuno.
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>>135088157
That's mostly a joke entry, and it refers to her origin, not as her status as a Berserker in the game. The Moon Cell still puts her in the Berserker class, effectively making her a servant and giving her Mad Enhancement (AKA Blind Rage).
The first line, which you conveniently ignored says:
>The SERVANT you fight in the fourth round, version 2.
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>>135088382
If it were referring to her origin, it probably would have said "Not actually a Heroic Spirit" rather than "Not actually a Servant."
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>>135088403
Good job completely ignoring the important part of the post
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>>135088440
What, the insistence that it's a joke entry?

Anon, this is the Nasuverse. Everything is canon, even the jokes. ESPECIALLY the jokes.
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>Heavens Feelerino didn't get the TV series
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>>135088382
>>135088403
Well if the definition of a Servant is a "Heroic Spirit temporarily summoned into the world (or in this case, the SE.RA.PH)", then no, Arcueid is not a Servant. Up until Fate/EXTRA, the term "Servant" was used exclusively for Heroic Spirits. In fact, Servants aren't even exclusive to Holy Grail Wars. Any Heroic Spirit summoned under similar conditions would be called a Servant, Holy Grail or not.

Fate/EXTRA does blur the line a bit, though. Fate/Grand Order blurs it even further, since it has Merlin, Scathach and Da Vinci as Servants, even though none of them are Heroic Spirits. After all, you can't become a Heroic Spirit if you can't die.

Actually, if you think about it, the line was blurred from the very start. Saber herself was never a proper Heroic Spirit at all, since she was taken from just before her death. And once she goes to Avalon, she completely loses her prospects of becoming a Heroic Spirit at all, since she's technically considered to be "alive" by the world.

Semantics are a funny thing.
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>>135088466
No, the fact that the system still makes her a servant regardless of who she is. She is still under the Berserker class, and gets the Mad Enhancement skill, which is a SERVANT skill, not her own. She also gets stats, ranks, and all the other shit servants get.
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>>135088562
The system gives her certain traits of a Servant, like Mad Enhancement, but it also VERY CLEARLY STATES that she's not a real Servant.
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>>135088585
>The system gives her certain traits of a Servant
You mean all of them?
>VERY CLEARLY STATES
Very vaguely. Since like two lines before and after calling her "not a servant" it calls her a servant.
>that she's not a real Servant.
What does that even mean? what does it change?
Real or fake, she's still forced into the system and given all the attributes of a servant. It's like saying Arturia or Gil aren't servants because the former didn't actually die before becoming a servant and the latter got incarnated after the 4th HGW.
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>>135088562
Again, going into semantics, but the term "Servant" actually predates the Fuyuki Grail War, as well as the Moon Cell's usage of the term.

A Servant is any Heroic Spirit summoned to the present era under "improper" channels. Only the world can summon "proper" Heroic Spirits. Aside from the world, it's apparently possible to summon Heroic Spirits through other means, including through the Holy Grail, but these summonings can only summon "copies" from the Throne. These copies are Servants.

The Moon Cell obviously works differently. In the case of the Moon Cell, Heroic Spirits and Servants are exactly the same thing. Under ordinary circumstances, Servants exist for the purpose of protecting the Moon Cell, while in the Grail War, they exist to serve their Master and assist them in achieving the Holy Grail. Arcueid is an outsider, an interloper who was never supposed to be there.

However, much like in Fate/stay night and Fate/Grand Order, the line is heavily blurred here as well. The Moon Cell only employs HEROIC SPIRITS as Servants. Divine Spirits like Amaterasu and Bodhisattvas like Saver shouldn't really be under that category and don't have the same functions as proper Servants. But if they desire, they can negotiate with the Moon Cell for the right to become Servants. In Tamamo's case, she had to give up a huge bulk of her power to be Hakuno's Servant. So basically, she's a Divine Spirit who, through the power of negotiation and compromise, was allowed to become a "Servant" for the Grail War.

Under that definition, Arcueid is technically a Servant, except instead of "negotiation and compromise", it was mainly just her having no idea what she was getting into and signing the fine print without reading it.

But for the duration under which she was contracted to Gatou Monji, she was technically a Servant. On paper.
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>>135088492
Good. UBW is a better route.
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>>135088781
>she was technically a Servant. On paper
And stats, and skills, and ranks, and mechanics, and everything but in origin.
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>>135088837
Stats, skills and ranks don't mean much. Even a Magus can assign ranks to their spells. Rin's gems are A-rank, which is good enough to hurt Berserker.

A lot of that stuff's just formality. It's just that being shoved into the Berserker class under an incompetent Master nerfed her heavily. Under ordinary circumstances, being a Servant shouldn't be detrimental to her abilities at all, since the Moon Cell has absolutely no right to restrict her in any way. But, like I said, she failed to read the fine print and got shoved into a bad class under a shitty Master.
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>>135088893
>A lot of that stuff's just formality
Except it's not.
Like you said:
>being shoved into the Berserker class under an incompetent Master nerfed her heavily
Becoming a servant means you get a class that limits which skills and weapons you can use from your whole arsenal, gives you some generic skill that you didn't normally have, like Mad Enhancement, and means you're the familiar of a Master, who will have an impact in your amount of prana, stats, and free will.
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>>135089075
Yeah, Arcueid has the right to nullify that stuff normally. In fact, the only reason given for all of Arcueid's nerfs is Gatou's own incompetence. The reason she became a Berserker was because she signed the contract before she realized what was going on.

Otherwise, do you really think the Moon Cell would allow her to keep an ability as ludicrous as Blut die Schwester? It didn't allow Tamamo to take part in the Grail War without shedding the grand bulk of her power, and it even banished Gilgamesh to the deepest reaches of the Far Side. The Moon Cell can't really restrict Arcueid's power without taking away her sanity. If she had her sanity, she could just ignore the Moon Cell and leave whenever she wanted, something that ordinary Servants would never be allowed to do.

To put it another way, you could say that putting her under the Berserker class and taking away her sanity is the only way to restrict her at all.
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>>135089173
On the other hand, it's not like she'd qualify for any other class anyway. She doesn't have a sword, so she can't be a Saber. She doesn't have a lance, so she can't be a Lancer. She doesn't have a bow or any sort of ranged weapon, so she can't be Archer. She doesn't have a vehicle or steed, so she can't be a Rider.

Perhaps one could make the argument that she's could be a Caster thanks to her Marble Phantasm, seeing as how Andersen can be one simply due to being a storyteller, but that seems a bit of a stretch. Or perhaps she could be an Assassin, seeing as her original role was basically to "assassinate" fallen True Ancestors.
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>>135089541
Funny Vamp is a class you know. There is a lot of non-conventional classes like Idol, Buttler, Saver, Gunner class and Gilgamesh class.
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>>135083245
>watch a show
>don't like like the show
>complain about it in a thread discussing the show
>somehow you're cancer
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>>135090529
Not liking something by Nasu makes you a cancer, yes.
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>>135087648
>In terms of sheer powerful, it's the second-most powerful of all Noble Phantasms

Vasavi Shakti says hi.

It's also equaled by the strongest demon sword, Gram.
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>>135087717
Shit cook.
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>>135087701
when did shirou ever trace excalibur to destroy the holy grail?
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I need more Dark Sakura in my life.
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>>135092746
Did you play HF?
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>>135092820
shirou never traced excalibur in HF

or did I miss something? a bad end perhaps?
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>>135092820
oh right, normal end

I got it
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>>135092879
Archer mentions in I think UBW that he can trace a degaded copy of Excalibur, though doing so would drain away all his mana and be effectively a suicide attack.

This comment receives a payout in the Normal end HF, where Shirou successfully traces a degraded copy of Excalibur to destroy the Grail.
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>>135060888
We should.
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>>135093562
Chekhov's Excalibur.
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>>135095930
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>>135071931

I understand it.

An objectively correct choice vs a morally right choice.
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