I'm wondering, people sometimes complain about the fanservice

>>135028162
Anyone who complains about fanservice is pretty much an idiot, both for having up-their-own-ass standards that deny themselves natural enjoyment and for watching a medium absolutely full of fanservice and built around that kind of enjoyment and then complaining about it.

>>135028251
I sort of agree with you and sort of don't. I enjoyed stuff like Kill la Kill or Monogatari, but I think those shows had something offer besides just fanservice. On the other hand I've seen lots of ecchi were really most of the thing was just a chore to watch and as much as the girls were sexy it just wasn't enough. I mean in the end if I want to fap I'll just watch hentai, porn or if I specifacally like the designs of the girls in that show I can easily find compilations of the erotic scenes.

I think there was a lot more nudity in Kill la Kill, despite it actually mattering in the narrative. Not to mention there isn't a male main character that casuals can project themselves onto so some people will complain about things just to shit on it.

>>135028537
I'd rather have an attractive, independent girl as a main character then some kind of lame boy who has to "get strong".

>>135028421
TV anime has better production values than hentai.

Yoko fan service is fine so is in kill la kill
shitty fanservice is pause the episode every two minutes because
>KYAAAAAAAA BAKA HENTAIIIIIII
it's cringe, most girls don't give a fuck if you accidentally gropes them

>>135028162
Then why does Yoko get almost zero fanservice in the latter half of the show?

>>135028739

>>tumblr

>>135028915
But you usually get 1-2 ecchi moments in a series. If you really prefer that you can download some kind of fapcompilation and don't have to deal with the shitty plot and generic characters.
>>135030049
Are there any human languages you speak in?
>>135030106
I don't know, my point is that complaining about fanservice in kill la kil is practically like complaining about cyborgs in ghost in the shell or about ecological themes in ghibli movies. It's not useless, it's part of the structure, narrative and themes themselves.
>>135030158
Sorry, that I'm not a middle-schooler anymore and don't have the need to "insert myself" into the lead main character. Which is kind of gay by default let's be honest.

Yoko is a goddess and Ryuuko is just a qt

>>135030793
Well yeah, godesses were usually presented through statues and Yoko has just as much personality so it does kind of fit.

>>135030793
Fuck Yoko
Marry Ryuuko
Kill Nia

>>135030647
>you usually get 1-2 ecchi moments in a series
If that's the case, then you're clearly not talking about an ecchi series, and the main draw is presumably supposed to be something else. When you say ecchi series, I'm thinking Seikon no Qwaser or something.

Yoko was the Unattainable Hot Girl for the purposes of Simon's development.

>>135028162
Yoko had the purpose of being object of attraction for Kamina and Simon.

It's the very thing that caused their fatal divide.

Yoko got toned down a hell lot when Nia came into the picture since it was obvious that Nia was the OTP for Simon.

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This usually shuts up insufferable tumblrinas about KLK.

>>135031406
That was the point of her character, not of the fanservice.

>>135031539
Audience empathy. You can't love a character that you hate. You can't be expected to feel lust for a character that you don't want to bone.

That's why Yoko fanservice is usually followed by some guy ogling. It's audience empathy. It's pretty basic level shit.

I mean Rossiu intro episode basically turned her into a fucking Muslim practically to tone the fan service down. Yoko and whatever way she was presented was done well.

>>135028162
>Yoko is there for pure fanservice

agreed. she did nothing but kill 2 good characters by kissing them. other than that, she barely contributed to the story at all.

>>135031698
That's barely an excuse for fanservice compared to Kill la Kill which has its entire thematic purpose centered on it. I don't mind the fanservice with Yoko, hell I find it pretty damn hot. But I just find it contradictory to critisize kill la kill for the way it uses fanservice if you consider gurren lagann a masterpiece.

>>135031915
Kill La Kill lost their way by second half.

Satsuki's speech about how she will strip naked and get stared at if it means shit gets done was very concise and to the point, but by second half the plot just went all over with very little unifying themes that made fan service pretty pointless.

If KLK is being criticized for fan service, it's because the series itself had plenty of flaws. The entire nudist beach plot point and characters were entirely unnecessary.

What did Aikuro serve by being sexy around Ryuko? She never made a bad decision or fucked up because she was temped by him.
Are clothings bad because they define who we are and nudity good? Or is clothing actually extension of who we are as a person because we are supposed to care a lot when Senketsu burns?
Kill La Kill fanservice feels unneeded because a lot of the series feels extraneous.

>>135031506
So Tengen Toppa was about masculinity and Kill la Kill is about femininity? I like this actually.

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>>135032433
Kill la Kill never loses it's way, by definition. You just can't see where it went.

Also, Aikuro was there mostly for comedy, as well as some beefcake.

As for the clothing question, I think that's one the viewers have to answer for themselves.

>>135032556
Yeah, one of the few decent things a tumblrfag has managed to put together relating to animu.

>>135032433
The answer to your last question is that both are true. Clothing can both be symbol of cultural conformity or a way to express oneself depending on how it is used.

>>135032433
You must still understand that this isn't haibane renmei, lots of the elements are there for comedy or just to fit the setting. Enemies are clohtes so it makes sense to make the rebelious groups - nudists. In the end I think it was pretty obvious that Ryuuko finds a balance between the two philosophies, so yes here nudity as well as senketsu were important.

>>135032786
>lots of the elements are there for comedy or just to fit the setting.
How much of that was necessary though?
GL had it's share of comedy shit, but it always had a pay off.

Every KLK fan agrees that Tsumugu was the biggest waste of a character. The entire Nudist Beach never actually accomplishes anything besides being a delivery bus for the heroines. They didn't even do that much work as exposition dump once Satsuki joined and said that she knew everything.

Back on the original topic, the first half of KLK's fanservice is very on point. Second part muddles everything until it just kinda meanders about.

>>135033264
First of all, nudisto beach explains pretty much the whole setting and lore. It's safe to say that Tsumugu is the most important exposition element in the whole series. The fanservice is still there in the second purpose, because... why would it stop? There would be no reason for that and it would be anti-immersive. Complain about this is kind of like that "forced animation" meme.

I'd say that the second part actually gives reason to the the fanservice. Before that people might think it's just tits and lols. After finding about embracing nudity and evil clothes it only makes sense.

>>135031506
10/10

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>>135031506
Jesus fuck, no, that's exactly the type of shit insufferable tumblrinas and Redditors spew about KLK, and if you'd been here for it you'd know. The attitude that says every run-of-the-mill, for-entertainment-only anime is some sort of deep commentary is one of the worst cancers on the entire community.

>>135034057
Its not a deep analysis of it.

Its literally just applying the feminine version of TTGL's message to KLK

>>135034057
Kill la Kill is definitely the sort of show that is trying to make a commentary. Just look at it's pedigree.

>>135034057
fuck off, /pol/

>>135034057
No, because tumblrinas feel like EVERY form of entertainment must be processed in its "social context" before it can be safely enjoyed, it's saying, "Why don't you consider that there might be absolutely nothing wrong with this?"

At the very least, it manages to short circuit their logic centers.

>>135028162
>After all in KlK the nudity actually did fit the narrative context
Really?

>>135034168
No, it's arguing that a fanservice-heavy homagefest is actually involved in female empowerment by way meta-commentary on the "male gaze." That's overanalytical bullshit.

>>135034228
>its pedigree
What? You mean a giant robot show that was also made of homages and the most basic thematic ideas in the medium? Or a trashy pulp sci-fi movie? Or any number of other fanservice-heavy school battle shows it draws from?

>>135034264
> No
This isn't something you can dispute with your ideas of what tumblr does and does not typically do. This is actually what happened. That picture you have, from tumblr, is not an exception, it's a sample of a very common reaction tumblr and other similar sites had to the show. They loved that idea, and you weren't there to see it and are trying to spread some alternate history based on your own half-baked guesses at how it probably was. You seriously need to commit suicide already.

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>>135028162

>After all in KlK the nudity actually did fit the narrative context

It wouldn't be so bad if the cinematography didn't focus so much on the TnA.

>>135031506
TLDR: its just excessive fanservice

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>>135034727
>It wouldn't be so bad if the cinematography didn't focus so much on the TnA.

Get The Fuck Out.

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>>135034727
ass.dat

>>135031915
So if a show uses nudity, and the like, as part of it's narrative, it's allowed to have fanservice at every turn without criticism? Otherwise, without the narrative reasoning it's shit for doing so?

If you want to watch shows that fits what KLK did, so be it. But shitting on other shows that includes fanservice is simply hypocrisy at it's best.

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>>135036731
Of course not, the point though is what social message is being presented. If you're offended by nudity /per se/, then that's just Victorian morality and really not something us adults need to take seriously.

If on the other hand you're concerned that it's sending a socially dysfunctional message to viewers, than discovering that it actually is a critical part of a bigger positive message can at least assuage your concerns.

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>people responding seriously to the most cancerous tripfag

>>135036731
If a show is thematically consistent with the use of its visul elements then wha't wrong about it?

Plus, you misinterpreted what I said. What I mean is it's a hypocracy to critisize Kill la Kill and glorify Gurren Lagann. If you dislike both of them for similar reasons then I can understand.

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>>135037162

>>135037244
No, that's just an insult, you stupid teenager.

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>>135037239
Ah. That makes a lot more sense. Thankfully, I've never met anyone retarded enough to think that. Most SJWs just think all of anime is another patriarchal phallocratic institution for them to smash later on down the road.

>>135037337
Couldn't you respond in some kind of normal human language? I have no idea what your response meant.

>>135037578
Nope, he's too busy speaking like his high school buddies told him educated people did and posting cancerous pictures he doesn't even understand half the time.

>>135037578
It's called a joke, anon.

>>135037709
jokes are funny

>>135034057
It's actually a rather shallow commentary. Sorry about your mental disability.

>>135037337
>SJWs
>Caring about other countries
lol

>>135039319
It doesn't exist. KLK does not have an empowering narrative or commentary through the use of the male gaze about the struggles women face.

>>135030882
/thread