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Japan's curious passion for the business novel

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35125739

When can we expect to see anime adaptations about Cute Salarymen Doing Cute Things?
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I'd watch it.
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>>134937773
>Business novels are some of the best selling novels in Japan
Thats the most depressing thing I've ever read. Really draws attention to their whole
>I must be a faceless salaryman and work myself to literal death
Mentality. It even extends so far that its infected their fiction, something that is usually an escape or experience of something new.
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no, anime isn't mainstream
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>>134937919
>people like reading about relateable characters instead of spaceship pilots
Whoa, what a shock.

Go watch Hanzawa Naoki, you fucking pleb.
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>>134937773
>Business Novel
Trump anime soon
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No, cgdct or death
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>TV drama
Nah.
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>>134937773
Would it be like servant x service?
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>>134937919
>something that is usually an escape

a business man who becomes a hero and saves the day is exactly what escapism is.
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>>134938117
>servant x service
>Shirobako

I want more.
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Could a war in space really happen?
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Someone give it to me straight.

Why does Japan love light novels so much?

Why do we (America) hate them?
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>>134938389
Light Novels aren't really a "thing" in America. The closest I can think of are your standard YA fiction, and we seem to eat those up.
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>>134938389
Middle school level reading. America just calls them young adult novels and rake and the cash from adaptions of John Green books.
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>>134938436
Light novels are a thing in America they are all targeted towards 13-16 year olds though.
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Easier to self insert that way.
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>>134938389

I blame reading classes they forced us to read some really shit books and this forced kids to not like reading in the future.


Its like how comics failed in America due to comic code and this resulted in comics becoming mainly capeshit with a few gems in a pile of shit.
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>>134937773
Office harem when?
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>>134938436
YA books aren't really anything like LNs though. Only thing they have in common is being bad and there are tons of book trends that are bad.
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>>134938692
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Honestly, these don't sound too different from shows like Mad Men and other corporate dramas.
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>>134938737
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>>134937919
>I must be a faceless salaryman and work myself to literal death
Westerners used to be proud about having this kind of mentality but now they're rejecting it. Is this why their countries and societies are going to the trash?
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>>134938569
Light novels in Japan are aimed at young teens and teens for the most part as well.
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>>134938769
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>>134937985
It mush be a sad life to be unable to relate to a spaceship pilot.
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>>134938777
Perhaps, but its certainly better then a declining birthrate and fractured social values
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>>134938014

I'd watch it.
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>>134938630
>and this forced kids to not like reading in the future.
Too true. The worst part was that we were graded for writing about them.
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>>134937985
>Hanzawa Naoki
My African friend, it was a fantastic show.

Too bad they probably won't do S2, since Sakai reportedly said he didn't want to be typecast and the production team is busy with Shitamachi Rocket. But you never know.
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>>134938491
They are not middle-school level. Basically you need a dictionary to read "standard" Japanese literature because of how kanji were used, even if you are a Toudai graduate. Their language is not modernised. What makes LNs light is that they use only the most used 3000 kanji instead of bazillion of other obscure ones.
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>>134938838
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>>134938839
>I might have cancer but at least I don't have cancer.
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>>134938630
>schools force kids to read
>somehow bad

Top fucking kek.
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>>134938389
I think LN is easier to read because of less kanji. American books don't have the same issue, since any retard can read words on a page.
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>>134938630
I loved reading until I got older. Most of the books they assigned weren't the best stuff, but they were usually easy to read newer classics like the giver or old classics like john steinbeck/ayn rand etc. so I don't see why it would cause kids to hate reading that much.
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>>134939039
>Steinbeck
>Ayn Rand
I think the reason why Murrican kids hate reading is because their high schools tried to push American classics on them. Most American "classics" are awful, plain awful, only Twain and some Hemingway are remotely enjoyable.
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>>134939178
>American Classics
>F. Scott Fitzgerald
>John Steinbeck
>Chaim Potok
>bad

Top. Fucking. Kek. The novels are fine, I'd say, however, it's boring to read about American history again and again, nonetheless, as literary works they're great.
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>>134937773
>business anime
remember this trainwreck?
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>>134939272
I-I liked it.
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>>134938389
Forced reading in American education and getting graded on it.

I despised Shakespeare and other writers after highschool.

Also, I hate Charles Dickens the most.

I felt I was brainwashed by A Tale of Two Cities during my 2nd year of highschool.

Charles Dickens ruined my view of British people, forever.
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>>134937919
>What is stupid banal shit like The Office

Same thing, really.
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>>134939272
But it was good!
Just not that memorable.
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>>134939464
>Dickens and Shakespeare
I recommend reading Jane Eyre.
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>>134939464
>>134939707
I recommend reading Marcel Proust :^)
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>>134938839
You mean these kinds of fractured social values?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/11/free-speech-is-so-last-century-todays-students-want-the-right-to-be-comfortable/
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>>134937985
>He doesn't think you can have a relatable cast and compelling human drama with astronauts
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>>134939738
>Generally sit somewhere on the centre left of things
>Also feel that freedom of speech is one of the most important principles for any western nation to uphold
Send help.
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>>134938865
Why is Japanese such a shit language?
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>>134939272
I don't watch Comedy Central
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>>134937773
Man, fuck this business shit, I want to read that war in space article.
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>>134938839
>declining birthrate
Yeah, it must be terrible to have a birth rate exceeding that of most native European populations.

I know the kikes have brainwashed you into thinking that population growth is the magic bubble the expands forever, but in reality all it does is completely erase any sense of culture and send crimerates through the roof.
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>>134938839
Yeah man, it's so awful that an overpopulated, fairly small island nation has declining birthrates, right? I mean technology is fucking irrelevant man. Fucking let the whole world immigrate. Who fucking cares about personal space and a superior standard of life?
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>>134940509
It's not actually overpopulated on the whole, is it? It's just that the population is heavily concentrated in certain areas.
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>>134940583
Which is why Japan has to invest in infrastructure. Right now, everyone wants to go to Tokyo or Osaka.
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>>134940583
Pretty much, the suburbs are practically deserted, and there's an entire prefecture that has a really sparse population.
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>>134939464
The American school system makes kids read some of the most awful shit.
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>>134940843
Regular classes don't read the same books as AP classes anon.
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>>134938630
I know this feel anon

>test asks what this story made you feel
>get it wrong because I had the wrong feeling

I feel like I lost five years off my life from all the stress.
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>>134937978
Daytime stuffs pretty mainstream even if it's kid shows.
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>>134939399
Well, I can't argue with dubs.
I withdraw my argument.
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>>134939259
>Steinbeck
>good
what a whiny cunt, as whiny as that bitch jane austen. Don''t even get me started on ryand and fitzgerald.
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>>134939738
>uk
britbong plz
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>>134938014
>>134938841
Trailer :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbi7jNI1yOQ
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>>134937773
>cute salaryman
Haven't you fujoshis had enough ruckus for one night already?
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>>134938389
The Japanese read on trains. Plus there just isn't a distinction between light and heavy novels, so you have a lot of light genres in the west. Harlequin romance, pulp mystery, fantasy, sci-fi... The majority of all genre fiction is designed to fill that same role of thoughtless comfort reading. We just don't have a commonly used special name for it.
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>>134942348
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>>134938923
Forcing kids to read beyond frustration level is bad, and for dumb kids, reading grade-appropriate texts can be frustration level.
Source: I'm a teacher.
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>>134942029

http://www.mediaite.com/online/yale-students-interrupt-and-protest-free-speech-panel-allegedly-spit-on-attendees/
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>>134938630
>its like how comics failed in America due to comic code
A popular meme that's not actually true.
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>>134939464
Dickens is probably a bad choice for high school students, but reading literature in school has it's value. A lot of themes and tropes used in pop culture today are still borrowed from Shakespeare plays, and it's illuminating for people to see how culture changes and builds upon itself. A lot of novels paint a more compelling and accurate picture of the past than a history class ever can, like Huckleberry Finn. And beyond this, making kids read and analyze possibly challenging literature improves their reading comprehension skills and teaches them critical thinking. Classes that also have you discuss what you've read in groups help kids organize their thoughts and present them to their peers. What might be improved is giving students more choice over which novels they read so that they can take some agency in their education and pick stories that appeal to them to foster a passion for reading.

Japan still has Japanese classes and they love reading, abet shitty novels. I think it has more to do with public transportation giving them more time to sit and read.
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>>134938777
Did America ever subscribe to that mentality? I thought our whole deal was confidence and ambition. We pride ourselves as starting from the bottom and using hard work and brains to get to the top. I understand that in Japan ambition is considered foolishness, and that the best thing you can do is toe the line and not stand out too much.
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>>134944345
Tell me about the American comic book industry senpai.
Why if not the Comic Code did cool shit like Tales from the Crypt die out in favour of capeshit?
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>>134939987
Don't let extremists fool you into believing there are only two sides of the political spectrum. Somewhere in the middle a little to the left is the best place to sit.
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>>134940583
Over population isn't about physical space. You could fit all the world's population shoulder-to-shoulder in an area only a little bigger than Delaware. Over population is more about the amount of resources we consume and the amount of waste we produce.
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>>134944651
Honestly I think I'm a touch more libertarian than I am left or right. I can agree with either depending on the issue.
I'm aware that the name probably bares some awful connotations in American politics but every fucking orientation has something awful associated with it in the US.
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>>134937773
>Cute Salarymen Doing Cute Things?
Does not exist. And they're trying to avoid with all costs.
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>>134938630
I got into reading with Deltora Quest, loved it.
>>134941826
Of Mice and Men was good, beyond that i agree though
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Kodoku no Gourmet has a guy in a suit relaxing in various food establishments. It's actually quite popular in manga sales.
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>>134937773

"Boku no Sexual Harassment" has been around for quite a while now.
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>>134937985
>Hanzawa Naoki

Seriously the best TV series I have watched in recent years.
Give it a go, if you haven't, yet.
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>>134938389
My guess would be that dime novels ruined that segment for all eternity.
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>My Christmas Cake Secretary Can't Be This Cute!
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>>134938389
>What is The Maze
>What is Twillight
>What is The Fault in our Stars
>What is Papertown
America is in love with Light Novels, they just call it YA Novels instead you ADHD landwhale.
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>>134937919
I don't live in Japan, so I can't really say I know their social structure very well, but if what we hear here in the west about people literally working to death, power harassment, never seeing their familiy due to work, I agree with you.
This is why I sympathize with the "vegetarian men", though their take on the situation may be too extreme, (giving up on finding a woman completely) at least they are signalling that there's something wrong with the salaryman mentality, not that the high suicide rates are not a red flag in itself.
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>>134945956
Sakai is a wonderful actor. I loved him in Legal High too, but it doesn't have the all around awesome cast like Hanzawa Naoki did.
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>>134946128
Did people actually read the maze?
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>>134937773
Hanzawa was fucking awesome.
None of the anime recently can even come close to it.
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>>134937919
>I must be a faceless salaryman and work myself to literal death

Did you even read the article?

It makes a distinctions between the worker drone 'salaryman' and the righteous business man who fights corruption, is inventive and resourceful, focuses on something other than 'the business' e.g. romance.

>"It's a question of how you stay human when the system is so machine-like. That's the consolation - how do you stay human, in spite of it all?"

>"I wrote this book to share my experience with other people. Like this character, I went there from outside and I thought something here is very wrong.

>"I solved the problems one after another, just like in a suspense story. So it was like a real-life suspense story going on," he says.
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>>134946705
You clearly didn't watch Classroom Crisis.
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>>134937773
This is classroom Crisis.
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>>134946888
If it's like that, I'd very much like to read it (or even watch an anime about it, as long as it's not moe)
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>>134947011
>pleb didn't watch laughing salesman
I yearn for the old /a/
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>>134946993
>red ink class
I don't even need to check the episode to know that he said 赤字 and that that's not what that word means to anyone except maybe a machine translator.
So, whose shitsubs were you watching?
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>>134947011
>as long as it's not moe
Halt!
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>>134946669
Seems that way, all the teens went and saw the the movie, the author is swimming in cash.
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>>134937773
But this is what Saitama from OPM is...
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>>134937773
So when are we getting an anime about loli's living the salaryman lifestyle?

>>134938389
>Why do we (America) hate them?
Japanese kids are disciplined, while America chose to embrace nigger culture, and as we all now nigger culture is anti intellectual, anti reading.
Also manga, it's big in Japan and atleast gets kids to read.
Meanwhile kids in the west dont read much in their free time, if at all.
>Read books as a kid
>Have little cousin
>He just likes minions, one direction and other trash.
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>>134947159
I have nothing against moe, but with a plot like:

>"It's a question of how you stay human when the system is so machine-like. That's the consolation - how do you stay human, in spite of it all?"

>"I wrote this book to share my experience with other people. Like this character, I went there from outside and I thought something here is very wrong.

>"I solved the problems one after another, just like in a suspense story. So it was like a real-life suspense story going on," he says.

cute girls just feel out of place.
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>>134947159
>tfw no moe police officer
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>>134946640
>giving up on finding a woman completely
the thing is in most cases you dont have other choice, women search men with money, but to get money in japan you have to work yourself to death, so inorder to not work yourself to death you have to let go of women
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Can judges also be moe?
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When will we get the manga version
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>>134937773
Space Bros?
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>>134947307
The movement is catching on in the west too.
Women just arent worth the effor these days. I mean why work yourself hard for someone who can drain you of your money and stab you in the back so easily?

I'm honestly suprised we dont have more herbivores than Japan, becuase our women seem far, far worse. Atleast Japanese girls pretend to not be total bitches.
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>>134947246
"Moe" does not mean "cute girls".
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>>134939464
A Tale of Two Cities was something I had to drag myself through to read. On the other hand, The Count of Monte Cristo was the shit.
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>>134947487
Whatever mate, you know what I mean.
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>>134947450
>Atleast Japanese girls pretend to not be total bitches.

Eh, I wouldn't know about that, anime is not a reliable source.
Anyway:
>why work yourself hard for someone who can drain you of your money and stab you in the back so easily?
Gold diggers are the worst, but not all women are like that.
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>>134937773
I hope
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>>134939259
>>134938923
>kek

Fuck off and kill yourself, retard.
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>>134937773
Was Mad Men popular in Japan?
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I remember making a note reminding myself to research the business world in Japan. It seems interesting. There are legendary stories about how they conduct business in the higher executive levels.
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>>134938014
Not going to lie, but I find Trump's life incredibly fascinating. I'd read his book.
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>>134938839
Most of the developed world has a declining birth rate now. The US has only just been breaking even (marginally declining every year since 97 except 2007 and this year by 1%), mostly because immigrants don't stop fucking no matter what.

Saying "Japan has a declining birthrate" isn't special any more, it just makes them like everyone else now.
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So can we finally have that TTGL Office?
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>>134947993
>not all women are like that
I'm sure most know that, but identifying which aren't and which are is too much work.
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>>134938839
The birthrate in Japan is literally higher than the birthrate in in Europe. Importation of immigrants and their spawn doesn't count as the country's native birthrate.
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>>134947307

Porn and games (or anime) are enough for a small, but growing, amount of men. As technology improves things will only get worse.

That's bad for society, because we know that the ones who do the really necessary work are mostly men.
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>>134938923
>>134939259
kill yourself, your books are shit and not enjoyable in a single way
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>>134950830
It is not higher, Japan's birth rates are the lowest out of any first world country. Germany used to have similar ones but they're slightly higher now.

Anyways, it's irrelevant since low birthrates are a good thing in countries with high technological advancement and production capabilities. Not to mention that people somehow take baby boom and constant, steady population increase for granted and as a normal state. It is not.
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>>134951079
You niggers completely disregard the disbalance between working age taxpayers and retirees low birth rates bring about.
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>>134938871

Would read. Also that art... Nice. I may as well learn to enjoy becoming a cubicle slave. This is my future in a few months.
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>>134937773
still better than those god damn cancerous light novel bullshit they've been pumping out...
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>>134950834
I think porn causes men to go herbivore only in a very tiny fraction of cases, improvements in technology will only make the products more accessible imho, but the real problems lies within society.

Blaming eroge and shit is just the most comfortable conclusion that everyone seems to be okay with: herbivores don't care (anymore), salarymen are not concerned with the issue, politicians and basically every "proud" japanese man, by doing so, don't have to admit that it's due to their work culture, which advocates an almost literal rat-race life.
I'm sure most herbivores would give up their waifus if they could be with a 3D woman who doesn't care about him working to death.
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>>134946993
Is it worth a watch? I have it on my backlog from this year and I'm not sure if I should bother.
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>>134951165
No one said that there aren't problems linked to it, but saying low birth rates are a problem is false. Now paying out of the ass for old and useless fucks, which in Japan's case tend to live long is something to look at. This is a problem of its own though and only partially related to birth rates.
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:^)
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Shitamachi Rocket is a pretty good series, I can't blame them.
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>>134938340
I am fucking shocked that you seem to be the only one to point that out.
I want to know as well.
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>>134938340
>>134953385
What do you mean?

Our weapons work just fine on space, so if you mean lack of weaponry, then there's nothing wrong with it.
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>>134938340
What would be the point? There isn't really anything to fight over.
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>>134953944
Someone's ought to free Cars. Someone's ought to stop them.
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>>134937919

Someone didn't read the article.
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>>134940699

So you saying we should all go to the Jap burbs for cute waifus and cheap houses?
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>>134950798
>identifying which aren't and which are is too much work.
this.
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>>134951165
And this is the reason why Japan is investing so heavily into robotics and bionics, so that the can compensate.
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>>134938865
>What makes LNs light is that they use only the most used 3000 kanji
Stop pulling shit out of your ass.

t. JLPT1
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>>134945101
>libertarian
No shame in that

We have Rush
And Penn & Teller

Just try not to think about the manlet and his meme father
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>>134937773
This looks cool

I wouldn't mind reading something like that
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>>134951358
don't. it's shit
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