Is 2014 and 2015 the year anime became shit?

>>134850894
Two bad adaptations of great franchises? Yes.

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Both years had Ping Pong and NNB Repeat respectively.

Clearly not.

>>134850894
Oh boy a shitposting thread. Check em.

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>>134850894
G-reco was good though, only retards with short attention span(which are 90% of this board) hate it

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>>134850894
Oh anon... Every year is the year anime became shit!

Yeah, just like 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, 1996, 1995, 1994, 1993, 1992, 1991, 1990, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1986, 1985, 1984, 1983, 1982, 1981, 1980, 1979, 1978, 1977, 1976, 1975, 1974, 1973, 1972, 1971, 1970, and so on. Fuck typing all the way to 1933 or whatever

>>134850894
i liked greco

>>134851066
You missed 2014.

>>134851096
Refer to >>134850894
>Is 2014 and 2015

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Anime was always shit, anon.

>>134850939
>Bait/Gay Blight
>great franchise

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>>134851279

>>134850894
Stop having shit taste

>>134850894
>Cherry picking a bad entry in a usually good series that suffered from serious time constraints and one of the shittiest series of all time
>"Is all anime shit?"
No.

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>>134850894
>Fate
>"great" franchise

>>134851313
Thanks for the attention :)

>>134850894
i finally watched g reco despite all the hate it got because it looked pretty, and it certainly was pretty. The story was handled pretty badly but its nowhere near the train wreck people made it out to be. the pacing is pretty shit in the first couple episodes but it got better although they tripped up again in the last episode. I feel liker it could have been a lot more than it was, it just kind of messed up the execution. like there was just too much condensed into too few few episodes

>>134850894
MSG has had highs and lows for decades. (W, Destiny, etc.) G-Reco is just one of those dips, and Tekketsu seems to be doing much more favorably as far as general reception goes.

The Fate franchise is basically garbage in it's entirety. Granted Zero had better character design, but as a whole the UBW wasn't a sharp drop in quality.

>>134851037
Love this meme

Peak anime was in 2007, it's all been downhill from that magnificent year.

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>>134851623
>The Fate franchise is basically garbage in it's entirety.
Read the fucking VN

>>134851697
The VN is still shit. It's just a fucking porn game with shit writing. Nasu is a hack.

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>>134851720
>I didn't read it
Fuck off.

>>134851777
>I can't read moon but I'll pretend that Nasu has super deep and complicated nuanced writing
No really, the writing is shit from the prose and dialog all the way down to the hamfisted introduction of those shitty reality checks for Shiro.

Now feel free to dump those shitty bait images you idiots love to use when you can't form a coherent thought.

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>>134850939
>Fate
>great franchise
When did this meme start?

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>>134851841
Yes. Whatever his faults, things like this set Nasu aside as a truly excellent writer.

>>134851720
>It's just a fucking porn game
Found the retard.

>>134851841
Nasu is a legend, and one of Japan's biggest treasures.

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>>134851841
Nasu's strong suit is his wildly experimental style, both in form and function. I love the way he winds really understated and esoteric themes under the more overt layers of general fantasy mythos that permeate his works.

>>134851941
Around 2006.

>>134852031
That isn't good writing though. His character revelations and climax moments are as garbage as the rest of his writing.

>>134852052
9/10

>>134852074
>really understated and esoteric themes
You can stop now.

wow yes

I love this meme

>>134850894

100%

>>134852167
nice argument

>>134852205
nice meme

>>134852167
>That isn't good writing though. His character revelations and climax moments are as garbage as the rest of his writing.
You have no idea what you're talking about do you? You're literally only saying "it's bad because I say so." I doubt you even know what prose means.

>>134851841

I like this poster and I mean that legitimately. Anyone that calls /a/ out on its shit is a friend of mine.

>>134852169
ME TOO THIS MEME IS FUCKING AMAZING. THANK YOU MEMESTERS ANOTHER EBIN THREAD FOR THE AGES.

>>134851697
How many other VNs have you read, exactly?

>>134852260
Except he got btfo and respond with "You can stop now."

>>134850894
greco wasnt that bad
it wasnt even the worst gundam that year. i mean TRY was so bad that people just pretend it never existed

>>134852393
Try was bland and boring. G-Reco was bad.

>>134852260
>Anyone that calls /a/ out on its shit is a friend of mine.
>Hehe I called out anonymous posters on the internet, I am so cool.

>>134852300
I'll assume this isn't malicious and just link you my list: https://vndb.org/u98201/list

>>134852205
Right back at you.

>>134852240
>I doubt you even know what prose means.
Do you? Have you ever read his work in its original fucking language, because if you haven't then you have no place talking about his fucking prose.

>You're literally only saying "it's bad because I say so.
No, I'm saying it's bad because he doesn't have a semblance of nuance or tact in his writing, and his plot devices are extremely heavy handed and obvious.

>>134852260
I like you too.

>>134852386
>Except he got btfo
By who? The fucking idiots who type in broken English and pretend Nasu is a good writer? "Fate is good, here's a bait meme image" isn't a fucking counter-argument, you retard.

>>134851697
I have read it, notice how I use the word "franchise" instead of "anime adaptations". It's still shit.

FSN has been fully translated for over half a decade now, it's probably the most popular VN translated VN in existence and anyone with an inkling of interest in VNs who can't read japanese has likely read it by now. Forget people who can read moonrunes trashing on EOPs, Fatefags who throw around the word "secondary" are a completely new level of pathetic.

>>134852450
Isn't bland and boring bad?

>>134852503
Oh man is one of those posters who thinks he is a master writer.

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>>134850894
But its 2015 and we have the best gundam of the last 15 years

>>134852477
>Fate
>10
And all credibility lost, now and forever.

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>>134852576
>It's still shit.
Fate/stay night takes the set of ideals a lot of fictional stories just run with and says - "but the real world does not work that way" - setting up an indepth exploration on what could motivate person to pursue such a path, thereby deconstructing the idea of heroism and pragmatism and the idea of selfless actions for selfish reasons (namely the idea that the fulfillment of "saving people" can only come from people actually being in peril).

Through Rin's conflict, a dilemma between emotions and logic is explored - is a decision that is logical and sound always the best? Is a decision that is rash and based on nothing but emotions always the worst? Is there a line you should not cross into either side? Is being logical or emotional inherently "bad"? Can there be a balance between both?

Rin's character also explores the idea of facades and how we hide ourselves within society and whether that always works or is even good for us. Rin and Shirou's story is all about Shirou forcing Rin to open up from her hermit-like existence, to not be afraid of weakness and mistakes, in the same way causing Rin to question the whole ideal Magus persona she had been harboring.

Through Saber we explore the idea of consequences of our actions and regret, exploring the theme of nihilism and whether what we do matters, which connects nicely with the heroism theme. Does anything matter if nothing what we do matters?

The meaning of existence is also the core theme of Shirou - someone whose self has been dead and who has built a new "himself" on top of a single idea. What makes person a human being? What is individuality? Is it genetic or is it something we build ourselves? What makes a human life matter?

>>134852477
>https://vndb.org/u98201/list
>good third of the list is just Type moon
>everything else is entry level
>FSN rated at 10

Yeah, pretty much everything I expected.

>>134852608
>Haha, you got btfo!
>U-Uh oh, he actually knows what he's talking about
>Better shitpost harder!
Are you ESL or do you just write like a retard because you're still in middle school?

The last good anime that was produced was ping pong the animation

>>134852644
every time

>>134850894
Fuck off, retard. G-Reco is great.

>>134852576
>It's still shit

VN? No. One of deepest VNs written that explores concepts and ideas others do not.
Anime? Yes.

>>134852660
I am not even them, but thinking your opinion means shit here is kinda of funny. So I will laugh at you as you keep fighting anonymous posters.

>>134852644
>Nasu does a horrible job at bashing his readers over the head with "I'm going to try to explore the human condition through horrible dialog, contrived plot devices, and paper thin characters that act as walking mouthpieces for whatever "wisdom" I'm about to enlighten the MC with"
>Idiots think an attempt at exploring themes inherently means it's pulled off well
I fucking love this pasta.

>>134852503
>Do you?
I asked you first. Your response indicates that you don't.

>No, I'm saying it's bad because he doesn't have a semblance of nuance or tact in his writing, and his plot devices are extremely heavy handed and obvious.
And again all you say is "it's bad because I say so." How does he not have a semblance of nuance? Do you even know what this means as well? You don't know what prose is, so I assume you don't know what nuance, tact, or even plot devices are.

>>134852450
did you actually watch either?

>>134852593
No, because if it was then UBW would be bad.

>>134852755
Did you?

>How dare you guys think something is good, let me write baseless arguments that will show them!

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Is there a bigger Gary Stuesque character in all of mecha than Kazuki Makabe?

Kazuki Makabe has no less than 3 different female characters who lust after his dick to the point of death, using time travel powers to find a future where they can find a future they can be together, and becoming a cold blooded killing machine so he doesn't have to kill people.
He is an ace pilot to the point where despite every other pilot where he's from being designer babies as well, his genes are SO good they literally start injecting them into people who can't pilot so they can.
His mother was so special and unique that when she got assimilated into the alien hivemind they're fighting she was able to influence it in an entirely unprecedented way just to meet him.
He's so innocent that despite saving his best friend/boyfriend from being eaten by aliens as a kid, he literally repressed that memory of why he did and spent the rest of his childhood moping and wanting to die because he felt like he hurt his boyfriend for no reason.
He was then given a super one of a kind super mech that no one else can compete with that only he can use and will EAT other people who try and pilot it.
In the end piloting these mechs will kill the pilot if they don't stop but Kazuki manages to escape while only losing his eyesight, which then gets fixed in the movie by alien magic as something that had NEVER OCCURRED BEFORE
Said movie also resurrected his dead boyfriend because he was lonely without him in another precedent that had NEVER OCCURRED BEFORE.
He then starts piloting again, but this time his machine doesn't have limiters so it should kill him even faster, but right as he should die the ALIEN HIVEMIND OF HIS ISLAND TELLS HIM HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE THE WORLD AND HEALS HIM UP AGAIN.
All the while he says stuff like he doesn't want to cut his hair because it's alive, never has to fight humans but cries over killing hate filled aliens and never punished for bad choices he makes.

>>134852724
>Your opinion doesn't mean shit if you disagree with me!
>I don't care if you actually have a grasp of what makes writing good!
Ok.

>>134852704
>One of deepest
0/10

>>134852752
>Your response indicates that you don't.
You fucking idiot. If you can't read the original language, then by definition you aren't reading his prose. Thanks for invalidating literally every point you were pretending to make by showing your flagrant ignorance at not knowing what fucking prose is.

>And again all you say is "it's bad because I say so."
>I disagree so I'll just shitpost like a retard!

> How does he not have a semblance of nuance?
DON'T YOU SEE! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE TO YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR IDEALISM! YOUR IDEALS CLASH WITH REALITY AND THIS IS LITERALLY HOW YOU WILL END UP AFTER A REALITY CHECK! DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET?!
He's a fucking hack.

>You don't know what prose is
"Prose is a form of language that exhibits a grammatical structure and a natural flow of speech rather than a rhythmic structure "
If you can't read the original text (which you can't) then your aren't reading the authors prose, just someone's interpretation of it. You are objectively wrong, and a fucking idiot.

>>134852880
Shinji

>>134852852
>How dare you call a shit series shit!
>I can eat fecal matter as much as I want to!

>>134852904
>I don't care if you actually have a grasp of what makes writing good!
Quite honestly I don't, because you certainly have not proven to me why you are above the rest here.

>>134852955
Shinji isn't Gary Stueqsue.

Shinji gets insulted and punished for his bad choices constantly

>>134852974
>>134852852

>>134852974
>I can eat fecal matter as much as I want to!
Who are you quoting dude? Oh you think people enjoying what they like is eating shit because it doesn't match your shitty standards? Grow up.

Anons, please, stop liking FSN. You're triggering that guy's autism.

>I am an arrogant fuck that knows what good writing is believe me!

>Anyone who likes what I dislike is wrong I swear!

>>134852981
>you certainly have not proven to me why you are above the rest here.
Well for one I can actually read moon so I'm qualified to discuss the writing style, and two I've actually talking about the writing in the series with direct criticisms unlike the shiteaters with low powerlevels who think baby's first "deep" VN is good because of availability in English and the appeal of chuunishit and waifushit.

You have to be braindead to think Nasu is a good writer.

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>>134852904
Is this bait? In the analysis of Fate/stay night, I immediately saw that Nasu's thematic voice and highly conceptual plot progression are fantastically written. This small scene in UBW alone is better than most full series.

The fight does not have a practical meaning, but it has a thematic one, which complements what happens in the rest of the episode. Assassin is a fake, in a truly Nisemonogatari turn of events, only further enhanced by him being voiced by Kaiki, we learn that he is a fictional Heroic Spirit. The man who lived, and the ghost Servant who now appears are not the same, he can only use techniques described in the legend, thus explaining his impossible sword slash, the Tsubame Gaeshi.

He calls his existence meaningless, he had no wish for the grail. However, this one moment he is living in now, this fleeting moment where he can fight Saber, is the one that matters, he is living for the present, and he has decided it holds value and meaning to him. An apt counterpoint to both Gilgamesh’s nihilism, living to make the world like what it was in the past, and Shirou, struggling for an ideal that will destroy him, but believes will save more people in the future, in the long run, once he becomes a Counter Guardian.

Assassin was a man who lived and died in obscurity, so his only gospel was his tale as Sasaki Koujirou, so he wants to prove the worth of that tale in combat. We learn in the Fate route that Servants are but disposable copies of the original being, keeping no memories between each summoning for Holy Grail Wars, all experiences and emotions they felt during their summoning are but a recording, doomed to be lost to oblivion. Saber is different, due to her pact with the grail, she retains memories each time and continues being summoned, only to be returned to the place of her death (and the fall of Britain) every time she fails. If Assassin can make a lasting impression on Saber via combat, he will be remembered through all of time.

>>134852904
>You fucking idiot. If you can't read the original language, then by definition you aren't reading his prose. Thanks for invalidating literally every point you were pretending to make by showing your flagrant ignorance at not knowing what fucking prose is.
So instead of proving you know what prose means, you yet again try and move the goal post for the third time. Oh but wait! You used google at last to get an answer for a term you yourself were unable to define! Congrats!

>DON'T YOU SEE! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE TO YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR IDEALISM! YOUR IDEALS CLASH WITH REALITY AND THIS IS LITERALLY HOW YOU WILL END UP AFTER A REALITY CHECK! DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET?!
You aren't proving a point with this, and it's really cute that you think you are. Seriously, do you know what nuance is? Do you even know how to make a proper contextual argument? You're just spouting nonsense off the top of your head again.

>If you can't read the original text (which you can't) then your aren't reading the authors prose, just someone's interpretation of it. You are objectively wrong, and a fucking idiot.
Nice projection. Seriously, very cute.

Listen anon, when you learn how to make actual contextual arguments and know how to use the words you're using, you can try again. In the mean time you can continue to cute post.

>>134853090
>I can actually read moon
And this makes you someone qualified to judge writing? Pffthaha

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>>134853090
>unlike the shiteaters with low powerlevels who think baby's first "deep" VN is good because of availability in English and the appeal of chuunishit and waifushit.

>>134853036
How do we help him anon? Do we raise an army to lower FSN EGS and VNDB score? Do we make a time machine and stop the original release and all its re-releases of the VN from being some of the best selling VNs of all time? What can we do to help him?

>>134851066
/thread

>>134853036
>liking FSN
No problem.
>pretending it's well written
Objectively wrong.

>>134853084
>I'm a fucking retard who drinks shit and then meta-shitposts when I realize I can't explain why the writing isn't shit!
There's a reason Fatefags are universally hated and made fun of.

>>134853099
>I immediately saw that Nasu's thematic voice and highly conceptual plot progression are fantastically written. This small scene in UBW alone is better than most full series.
Sorry, I can't take your bait seriously after that.

>>134853126
>So instead of proving you know what prose means
The fact that I pointed out you need to be able to read the original language should have been your clue. Still pretending you understand Nasu's prose while not being able to actually fucking read it is why I defined it for you, because you clearly have no fucking grasp on it. So are you ready to admit that any commentary you have on Nasu's prose is utterly worthless since you can't fucking read it?

>You aren't proving a point with this,
Actually I am. I highlighted the completely overt nature (that means it lacks nuance) that he decides to expound on that idea with and bashes the reader over the head with until there isn't a shred of doubt left at what half-baked idea he's trying to get across. That's a lack of nuance. Objectively. Try making a real point sometime.

>Nice projection
Prove you know moon or fuck off.

>when you learn how to make actual contextual arguments
By defining words correctly and using examples like I have?

>and know how to use the words
You're the guy pretending you understand Nasu's prose, which you've OBJECTIVELY never read a word of in your life.

It seems you lot need to be reminded that Fate/Stay Night is a gateway eroge of the worst kind. It's a bad game, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive powerlevel faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the VN itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the Noble Phantasms, ridiculous, color-coded clothes, the whole Servant faggotry and everything about the Fate/Stay Night world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on the NATURE of HEROISM, and overall chuuni tone of the VN makes it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

Fate/Stay Night is basically THE franchise to attract the most hated fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this franchise and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Fate/Stay Night threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.

>>134851623
>Tekketsu seems to be doing much more favorably as far as general reception goes.
Its tracking worse than G-Reco and the only people praising it are newshits

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>>134853280
>Sorry, I can't take your bait seriously after that.
No argument? A shame, I was in the mood for debate.

>>134853280
>There's a reason Fatefags are universally hated and made fun of.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>134853280
No need to get so butt flustered, oh wait.

>>134852611
I love this meme

>>134853350
G-Reco was more incoherent but Tekketsu is more boring. both are still above average for a Gundam.

Fate/stay night is a beautiful exercise in the emotional craft of storytelling. It isn't a story about mythological heroes going at war. It's a story about the importance of what heroes represent, and fighting for those ideals. Tightly plotted, thematically consistent, emotionally affecting, and incredibly layered. There's so much more to Fate/stay night than there may seem to be at first glance

UBW's story glides across the surface of an enormous ocean of philosophy. The anime simultaneously questions the metamorphosis of human ideals, man's quest for heroism, etc. If you don't understand the full weight of the words "I was not wrong", you haven't really paid attention.

There are thousands of themes seamlessly woven together. Idealism vs Utilitarianism, the importance of hope in the face of adversity, wishes as an inherently selfish act, cultural expectations of good and evil, the contradictory nature of child heroes, redemption, and a whole bunch mythic revisionism and allegory to top it all off.

Don't get me started on the visuals, every frame tells a second, sometimes even third narrative underneath the first. I think it's statement to its greatness

Nasu crafted not a game, not a "story", but a universe. It's every bit as detailed, every bit as supple and responsive as ours. It's a moving Sistine Chapel ceiling. But it's wasted on the cynics who can't discern between valid artistic statements and disposable crap.

Leave the real criticism to those of us who have done the requisite study to understand what they are talking about. The rest of you can keep the shallow thoughts to yourselves.

Anyone up for DUBS?

>>134850894
One show was hated by retards
One show was hated by newfags

>>134853436
God damn I am trash.

>>134850894
Here's to wishing the next decade isn't shit.

>>134853335
Fate/stay night is an aesthetic experience. I can't tap into your nervous system and make you see what I see, but I can try to explain the soaring heights Fate/stay night sent the show-going public to.

Citing sources is a pedantic exercise. And besides, this is a forum for those to kick back and appreciate great art: a bit like a gentleman's club in centuries past. Here we chomp our cigars and wax poetic about the great works and the unanswerable questions.

I must say that you (a non-believer) have made a pariah of yourself at this club. What is instantly evident to us (those who have mastered Nasu's epos) isn't something you grasp. It's an exercise on futility to educate on the whys and wherefores of great art. Suffice it to say you have proven yourself a dunce among gentlemen. I consider my point carried and Fate again redeemed.

That may sound like a hominem as populum, but so is telling a schizophrenic man he isn't really seeing ghosts. When the entire community of learned anime connoisseurs clearly sees a work of genius, it's an act of insane vanity to attack it.

Fate and Nasu are simply beyond you. I wish I could help you, but I fear there's no fixing stupid.

Dancing atop this fathomless ocean of meaning is Nasu's story. It revels in all that lies beneath, but only suggests... Only hints. He leaves it to you to draw the myriad connections he's put in the story.

But this requires, you see, some understanding of history, science, imperialism, philosophy, theology, astronomy, and anthropology.

Fuyuki City is simply too grand a creation for some to come to terms with. Maybe one day you'll grow up enough to "get" it. I've seen it about 15 times and I'm still learning.

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>>134853280
This focus on time and urgency in F/SN holds bounds in every facet of the text. This element is incredibly important to the Shirou/Archer dynamic. While the idealistic struggle does see great heights, what is even better is the sentiment of learning from the past, and also the future, this is the basic idea behind Shirou’s Unlimited Blade Works ability. He is able to reproduce blades from all periods of time, in clashing with his future self, he began to improve his abilities exponentially. This is critical for him to be able to learn to use his Reality Marble, Gilgamesh is essentially an undefeatable opponent, acknowledged within the story to be preposterously powerful, the only real counter to him was Emiya Shirou as Archer. Every moment Shirou is getting stronger, every moment he lives is important, even a fraction of a second.

If you read the VN, you will also be scratching your head, thinking that all this is a really graceful thematic thread in the story. Don’t worry, I think the same, but it sounds exactly like the kind of esoteric thing Nasu would write. You just have to pay attention rather than shitposting about your moon level on an imageboard.

>>134853468
Every year is shit for the amazing writers in this thread.

>>134851697
>over one million fucking words
The worst paced piece of fiction I've ever read

>>134851037
i fucking love this meme

What was your favorite part of F/SN? Mine was when Rin fingered Saber.

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>>134853506
Nasu Kinoko's works are very conceptual and extremely complex, so it is understandable that some people would not enjoy them
however, i believe that the journey of understanding the concepts and complexity behind the story, is one of the great strengths of the author's work

>>134853525
how's that ADD

>>134853362
>I was in the mood for debate.
Your entire post lacks substance, all you do is give a plot summary and a synopsis of it's ideas at the surface level (not that the series has anything to it besides that). "The character had motivation!" doesn't make the scene well done no matter how much you try to dress it up. The buildup, foreshadowing, dialog and ultimate execution of the ideas are incredibly hamfisted and juvenile, and the way he hits you over the head with the ideas says to the audience "I know you're too stupid to think about this on your own (otherwise you wouldn't be reading this trash) so I'll put training wheels on and make every bit of motivation and revelation as painfully obvious as possible by using the most banal plot devices imaginable."

>>134853390
https://desustorage.org/a/search/text/fatefags/
Sorry sport.

>>134853501
>really graceful thematic thread in the story.
Thanks for the laugh, friend.

So that's still a "no" to the question "Can you read and understand a single word of his prose?"

I only watch good written anime for sophisticated gentlemen.

>>134852702
Spot the autist

Fuck off back to /m/

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>>134853575
>Nasu Kinoko's works are very conceptual and extremely complex

Can you be incorrect without being wrong?

>>134853614
>https://desustorage.org/a/search/text/fatefags/
Wow look at that, this anon is right this anonymous imageboard hates Fate.

>fate pandeirng night
>great franchise
heh heh

Gundam is ok but reco sure was a shitstain

>>134853700
You can be a smartass while being a braindead retard. Perfect example would be the sophisticated gentleman in this thread who 'knows' about writing.

>>134853783
>If I put a word in quotes, I can fool people into thinking I know what I'm talking about without ever having to actually display a working knowledge of the subject at hand!
Sasuga, fatefag.

>>134853614
You have no idea how /a/ works, do you? Try searching for any other series + fags. All you get is complaining, bitching and hate.

>>134853835
>Try searching for any other series + fags
Show me a single fanbase that gets as much hate as Fatefags. They get shit on more than Yaharifags, LN haremshitfags and SnKfags combined.

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>>134853614
The whole Fate series deals with humans trying to find worth in their living (or inherent value), a meaning of life. This is most obvious with Shirou whose Origin is Sword and Kirei in HF who cannot find pleasure in anything but evil. This series title literally means "stay the night". By establishing a boundary of what is subjective, you're establishing what constitutes perception of morality. Consequently, you're also establishing what has idealistic value. I think the series thematically deals with that and it's why it's released in specific route order.

The first route thematically dealt with relentless altruism. This is a result (not the only possible one but a possibility) of people lacking self-worth. By seeing the effects of the Grail fire, Shirou realized that they don't hold any weight to everything that happens and exists around them and ,as a result, will also be insignificant to the world. This is a perceived reality that goes hand in hand with their personal reality. Meaning, when they are confronted with reality that contradicts their perceived reality, he experienced a cognitive dissonance. Through direct contrast with Saber's backdrop and character arc, his ideal is reaffirmed, seeing fruition in the route's climax with Kotomine.

>>134853834
Never said that buttflustered gentleman. You have yet to give valid reasons why anyone should consider your opinions.

>>134853575
Are you actually claiming that seeing the same CG of Saber wounded on the first night, with almost completely identical dialogue, several times, often accompanied, preceded or succeeded by the CG of the fire, with near identical dialogue really added anything to the work besides arbitrarily adding to its length?

I would say pointlessly repetitious scenes are mostly confined to the Fate Route, but that would be dead wrong.
>it's a Shirou attempting to do magic scene
>it's a Rin plot dumping info, probably about magic,slightly different from last route scene
>it's a fucking cooking scene
>it's a fight scene where Nasu uses the syntax "if x was like a y, then z was b"
>it's a scene that relies on tautology
No fucking thanks

>>134853876
Fate is much older newfag. Keep trying though it's very cute.

>>134853719
Greco was so bad that I refuse to buy anything related to it

Any SRW games with Greco in it means no buy

Already cancelled my preorder of VS Force too

>>134853280
>The fact that I pointed out you need to be able to read the original language should have been your clue.
You knowing what prose means after looking it up and adapting you're argument as such doesn't really make it obvious that you knew what prose is.

>I highlighted
>using examples like I have?
Notice how the only posts in these response chains attempting to use examples from the visual novel aren't the ones you're posting. Citations exist for a reason.

>You're the guy pretending you understand Nasu's prose, which you've OBJECTIVELY never read a word of in your life.
Again, nice projection. Why should I prove that I know moon? What will that actually contribute to the argument that you aren't making? That I don't know Nasu's prose? Are you so shallow minded that you think prose is the only component of writing?

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>>134853892
several people made intelligent responses directly referencing the text and he replied with "didn't read the bait"

that anon is clearly autistic and frankly retarded

>>134853929
Don't kid yourself. 90% of Fatefags on this board didn't get into it until Zero.

>>134853876
Fate has had a constant presence on this board since 2006, the hate base is nothing but bandwagoning newfags like you who showed up here in 2012 at the earliest. This is proved by all the new as fuck shows you named, and likely band wagon hate just like Fate.

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>>134853877
Good post anon

>>134854078
>90% of Fatefags
I would like citations newfriend. I don't remember that being the case, but I could be wrong since you are always right.

>>134853876
>Show me a single fanbase that gets as much hate as Fatefags.
Sure, I'll show you one that gets even more hate despite the fact that said fanbase is pretty much non existent in the anime community anymore.

https://desustorage.org/a/search/text/narutards/

>>134853877
>Your whole post is just a surface level synopsis
>Proceeds to just post more summaries
Ok, I'm done. I shouldn't have expected you to be able to form a coherent and pertinent thought in real time, or really be able to do anything other than regurgitate "Fate is awesome because it has characters and themes that exist in the story."

>>134853892
That's called an implication. But please, explain what other meaning those quotes had.

>>134853929
That's adjusted to for age, don't worry newfag.

>>134853949
>You knowing what prose means
And you're still objectively wrong. My point from the start is that you don't know his prose if you can't read moon. You objevtively have no grasp of his prose because you can't read it. It's the way he writes in his common language without a rigid rhythmic or verse scheme, it's the type of writing you and I are using now. It's the way he writes encompassing everything from how long sentences are, to how many clauses he puts in each, to how he orders his sentences, to the type of language to uses to create imagery, all the way to word play. You don't know Japanese, so you don't know his prose at all.

>attempting to use examples from the visual novel
Except I brought up one of the biggest plot points in the series, whereas you've just sidestepped literally everything.

>What will that actually contribute to the argument that you aren't making?
It would substantiate the idea that any commentary you have on his writing style is worth anything. Without being able to read moon, your claims are fucking worthless.

>Are you so shallow minded that you think prose is the only component of writing?
Are you so ignorant that you think it isn't an important component?

>>134853979
>intelligent responses
Sorry, I don't count plot summaries followed by "And it had these themes!" as intelligent responses.

>>134854103
>This is proved by all the new as fuck shows you named,
No, those are just the shows that get the most hate.

>>134854201
>No, those are just the shows that get the most hate
Yeah in 2015, you fucking newfag.

Oh, and your "fatefag" archive search turned up only around 630 results. And only goes back to July of this year. Sounds to me like your entire hater clique is nothing but bandwagoning newfags like I said.

>>134854192
You got me. There's one fanbase that's caught more shit than Fatefags. Guess you guys only take the number 2 spot.

>>134854201
Guys not only is he autistic he is also an attention whore.

>>134854227
>Fatehate is new
Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>134854248
Nope, just responding to people instead of blindly copying and pasting in a meaningless paragraph or shitposting with a bait image, or pretending that Fatefags aren't universally hated.

>>134854192
> said fanbase is pretty much non existent in the anime community anymore
This is weird to think about.

>>134854293
Ah, I know you. You are that shitposter who generalizes shit and thinks he is smart.

>>134854333
>Anyone who calls me an idiot and calls out my lack of an actual point is a single shitposter
I fucking love it. 10/10

>>134853877
>The whole Fate series deals with humans trying to find worth in their living (or inherent value), a meaning of life.
Sounds like the plot of every battle shonen ever.

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>>134853458
They're interchangeable.

>>134854378
How does it feel being generalized into a single shitposter you retard. Glad that rustled you.

>>134854402
No anon, you don't understand. Fate is actually really deep because of the brilliant way it delivers those ideas.

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>>134854402
F/SN deconstructs the idea of shounen protagonist and ideals.

>>134854293
Shitposting the Fate franchise didn't really start until late last year. Prior to that nobody really minded Fate at all. Zero was very popular when it aired, and the 2006 anime also birthed a lot of memes that still carry over to this day. There were plenty of people who didn't like any of it, but the type of shitposting we see now was mostly caused by Zero fanboys who got extremely butthurt by the elitism of the main fanbase who saw them as outsiders, so they proceeded to shit up every single Fate thread for over a year in one of the biggest displays of autism I've ever witnessed on this board, and I bore witness to Accel spam.

>>134854428
>Glad that rustled you.
Actually I haven't been able to stop laughing. The idea of an idiot sitting there and getting proven wrong across multiple threads, only to sit there and think "Fuck. It must just be one guy. It can't be me or the fact that I have no idea what I'm talking about, it's definitely gotta be this one asshole who just pretends to be smart by using big words in ways I don't understand." is fucking hilarious.

No that was last year

>>134854511
>deconstructs
It gets better and better.

>>134854512
>didn't really start until late last year.
What kind of revisionist history is this?

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>>134854402
>Sounds like the plot of every battle shonen ever.
The whole point of FSN is it takes the set of ideals a lot of fictional stories just run with and says - "but the real world does not work that way" - setting up an indepth exploration on what could motivate person to pursue such a path, thereby deconstructing the idea of heroism and pragmatism and the idea of selfless actions for selfish reasons (namely the idea that the fulfillment of "saving people" can only come from people actually being in peril).

>>134854514
>Misses the point
Oh well can't help the brain dead.

>>134854568
>What kind of revisionist history is this?
It's what actually happened, newfag. Nobody really minded Fate at all. It was a franchise that had been on the board longer than most of the posters. You were actually more likely to find criticism and negative opinions about Fate within the fanbase than outside it. Most people only knew about Fate from dense Shirou memes or other jokes handed down from the 2006 anime and had never really watched it. When Zero aired it was pretty popular, but most of that crowd were Urobucchi fanboys and didn't really care about the Fate franchise as a whole.

It wasn't until the new UBW anime by Ufotable was announced that trouble started because a lot of the Zero-only crowd was drawn in by it being done by Ufotable, and they got seriously butthurt after being told to read the VN and started shitposting in ever UBW thread. There was one guy who for months would post the same copypasta telling people not to read the VN.

Then newfags like you saw this autism and joined in like the mindless drones you are, hating something because you see other people doing it then thinking you're part of the majority when you're actually just this small clique of bandwagoners desperately trying to fit in with each other.

>>134854201
>My point from the start
Your point from the start was >>134851841 which was an all encompassing statement not just limited to prose. The fact that you might also be >>134851720 makes it mind boggling you'd go to such length arguing over eroge when you clearly don't think much of the medium and other prominent eroge feature even more graphic sexual situations. And since you're the one who keeps bringing up prose, how about you prove you know moon? How about you actually take an example from the VN, and explain in Japanese why said scenes in the long run of things contribute to your argument? The fact that you probably used >>134853925 to make an argument and have gone on for so long not trying to flex your moon muscles, let alone provide even a screen shot from FSN in making your arguments is really telling.

>Except I brought up one of the biggest plot points in the series, whereas you've just sidestepped literally everything.
You brought up a biased interpretation of a plot point for the purpose of fitting your own argument, not an actual example from the VN. The fact that you haven't done this is why others continue to treat you like a shitposter.

>It would substantiate the idea that any commentary you have on his writing style is worth anything. Without being able to read moon, your claims are fucking worthless.
Whether I knew moon or not, I haven't made any claims about Nasu's prose, and it wouldn't change the total argument at hand.

>Are you so ignorant that you think it isn't an important component?
You're the one who took a broad argument you yourself made and choose to only focus on one aspect, while continuing time and time again to not provide any examples because as you've shown time and time again, you lack the capability to do so.

>>134852167
0/10 lad

>>134854402
>Sounds like the plot of every battle shonen ever.
You'd have to really spin the stories of a lot of battle shounen to come up with such a conclusion.

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>>134854293
Fate is easily one of the oldest presences on /a/ and /a/ has thus been the source of numerous nasuverse memes, going all the way back to when the Deen anime spawned "gar" nine years ago. It's only with the release of the UBW anime, and the influx of teenage secondaries backlashing against the post-2011 hype, that an actual hate base has emerged. Also, dismissing /a/ material because it comes from a "porn game" is a neo /a/ thing borne from the invasion of normalfags. Nothing used to be too deviant for /a/.

>>134854729
"Your posts are stupid and don't have a point, and you just make blanket statements to call other people stupid while pretending you're right. There are a lot of idiots on /a/ like that, and you all blend together. It must suck knowing that your posts blend into that sea of self-importance because you're on the same level as all those other idiots."

I understand exactly what you were trying to say, and I still find your stupidity to be hilarious. Your post is kind of eye opening though, you idiots think there's depth and confusion in regards to true meaning (just like with Fateshit!) when in reality it's clear as day, and you're just an idiot for thinking there was any depth there to begin with (just like with Fateshit!).

It's still hilarious that every time you get called an idiot, you go through that much cognitive dissonance to convince yourself you're not a moron.

>>134854767
>It's what actually happened, newfag
Just stop anon, you're not fooling anyways. You idiots have always been hated, the "muh secondaries!" shitposting just took it to a new level.

>>134854821
>you clearly don't think much of the medium
Nice strawman.

Still waiting on you to make a real point.

>You brought up a biased interpretation of a plot point for the purpose of fitting your own argument
>You made a point but aren't sucking Nasu's dick about a horribly implemented plot point like I do, so I'll call it biased
Alright, we're done here. Enjoy your shit franchise.

>>134854835
8/10

>>134855205
>It's only with the release of the UBW anime, and the influx of teenage secondaries
Ok anon, enjoy your fake history.

>dismissing /a/ material because it comes from a "porn game"
Shitty porn game, not porn game.

>normalfags
I taught myself moon to read H-manga, play VNs, play unlocalized games and read more manga. What point are you pretending to make about people who hate on shitty porn games being normalfags?

>Nothing used to be too deviant for /a/.
Yotsuba has always been and will always be sacred, newfag. NTRfags have also been shit on since the dawn of time.

>>134855366
He's just giving you one sentence bait replies, you on the other hand are writing walls of texts. If he's a moron, you're an even bigger one for wasting your time arguing with him.

>>134852035
It is a porn game, though.

>>134855686
It's not. Learn the difference between porn games (nukige) and games with sex scenes (eroge).

>>134855686
Breaking Bad is a porn show.

>>134855741
Eroge are porn games without exception. An example of non-eroge VN with sex would be the Kikokugai remake.

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>>134850894
Who cares? 40 years of backlog on bakaBT.

>>134856043
/thread

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>>134855606
>no, you've always been hated because I say so!
You could at least prove your point with examples or something like the other anons did. Shouldn't be that difficult if you were here 9 years ago.

>/a/ pretending to hate Fate

lel This always cracks me up.

>>134856094
You're asking him for examples of poster disliking Fatefags from 2006? Do you have a photographic memory or something?

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>>134853501

Are Fate fans the most autistic on /a/? I mean they have to be to know so much about so little, and then defend it so vehemently.

>>134855606
>You idiots have always been hated

You're not going to find much information to support this view, which is probably why you're the only one attempting to argue it. Closest Fate related thing to being widely disliked on /a/, prior to 2011, was the DEEN anime, and even that spawned numerous memes, and a constant stream of VN generals.

>>134856220
>so little
>a sprawling philosophical narrative with the most detailed characterizations in the vn medium

here's your (You)

>>134856094
>like the other anons did
What?

>Shouldn't be that difficult if you were here 9 years ago.
You faggots probably aren't even old enough to have watched Ghost Slide with /a/ while it aired.

>>134856288
>Fatefags are shitposters from /v/
Makes sense.

>>134850894
2016 reviving anime

Cap it

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>>134852611
"Best Gundam of the last 15 years"

Well that isn't very hard now is it anon? A very low bar indeed.

Fuck I am watching "first Gundam" again to get away from the depressing shit that comes out these days.

>>134852125
deen was shit dont lie to yourself

>>134857296
Why not try watching something other than Gundam instead?

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>>134856359
>What?

The other anons are actually posting multi-sentence responses to support their point followed by your one line refutals of "no u." Given the amount of material /a/ has produced from Fate since ever, you'd have to be retarded (or given your lack of effort, a particularly lazy troll) to think that its prevalence here is anything new.

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>>134851066
1969 was truly the last time anime was great.

>>134857615
>multi-sentence responses
Hearsay if fucking worthless, you idiot.

You shitheads say this every year.

>>134857713
Lazy troll it is.

>>134857748
Still waiting on proof that Fatefags haven't always been hated. Real proof, not "If I say so enough it becomes true."

>>134852393
>greco wasnt that bad

It's so awful /m/ still can't stop shitposting about it 24/7.

>>134857842
/m/ shit posts about everything newshit. It has nothing to do with quality.

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>>134852611
>we have the best gundam of the last 15 years

Funny how the people keep saying this but never explain why. I always assume they're either newfags or trolls.

>>134857842
Found the retard.

Fate is literally the Naruto of VNs and if you unironically think that Nasu is a good writer, you're just as bad as Narutards.

>Is two years the year anime became shit?
That doesn't even make any sense.

>>134850894
G-Reco was pretty neat.

Fate had way too many episodes and not enough budget.

>>134855606
Stop trying to rewrite history with your biased view. Regardless of their actual quality Nasu's works have always been well liked on /a/ until arguably recently when new fans started watching primarily with Fate/Zero.

>>134862010
>G-Reco was pretty neat.

In term of animation and music

Story and dialogues? Damn, they're just pure garbage

Fucking Tomino on Prozac

I have no idea if the anons here are serious or shitpostig. Either way, anyone with a brain would realize that Nasu isn't a very good writer. He did, however, make an awesome setting, and I am thankful for that.

>>134857842
>>134859977
I would say
00 > BF > Reco > IBO > Seed

Although subjectively
IBO > Reco for my enjoyment of it, but it's lower quality.

I plan to rewatch Reco someday, it deserves a second chance for me.

>>134862598
>Story and dialogues? Damn, they're just pure garbage
Welcome to Anime, enjoy your stay.

>>134863680
More like welcome to tominoid shit writing and directing.

>>134850894
>Hibike! Euphonium
>Non Non Biyori S2
>YuruYuri S3
>Owarimonogatari
>hell even fucking one punch meme was pretty decent

in short, no. Your taste is just garbage.

>>134863752
I don't even care about Gundamshit, but if you think there is any anime out there that has "good writing", directing or dialogue, feel free to show me. Anime in general is complete trash

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I'm kinda amazed there is something that gathers more shitposting than Greco

>>134863295
Take this

honestly the show is not hard to follow like people say, the pay attention meme is really true cause it's all in there.

So its not just a meme. There are people who actually believe that F/SN is a literary masterpiece because it has metaphors in it.

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The only thing that is actually total shit is the quality of the Fate threads since UBW, for fuck sake could anyone stop shitposting already ?

UBW is literally JUST the type of clusterfuck I was expecting, it's whole plot is nothing but a glib non sequitor.

If Fate Stay Night was all I had access to as a teenager in terms of anime I probably would become one of those crazy Fatefags, but thankfully I had access to more diverse choices in anime from very early on in my youth years that my mental balance is very stable.

Seriously, if you have watched Akira, you'd realize just how sophisticated anime done right can be and it blows away anything UBW would have to offer.

A lot of people mention Ghost In The Shell, which has just enough of sexuality in the mix to draw in an audience I suppose but I must say that Ghost In The Shell is not even in my top 10 anime, not even close, but UBW cannot even approach that.

Some anime is so disturbingly mature like Fractale that I wish it would challenge the system and submit it as a Drama category in the Oscars just to bitchslap the snotty Academy.

It's not just the level of maturity and sophistication a well-written anime should have, it should also be original, entertaining, and visually fantastic. I would regard such an anime as the highest form of art-form.

But hey, me preaching about the actual good anime (not like UBW) won't do you any good, you gotta go out and see it for yourself just how much you are missing, wallowing in your shitty Fate autism.

The recent one I would recommend to check out is Sword Art Online which is light and easy to get into anime for the first time yet appreciate it as much, but if you want the heavy stuff right off the line check out Guilty Crown in which the plot is so complex and twisted that you'll need extra oxygen pumped into your brain in order to comprehend everything, and if you want amazing visuals and a gripping drama that also has awesome mecha battles Aldnoah.Zero is the shit.

Seriously, if you had more exposure to more diverse choices in anime like I do, UBW looks like it's something for little pretentious kids.

>tfw you expected UBW to bring new shitposters to the board back when it was announced but it brought out an entire new age of advanced shitposting instead
From that outcome alone I can determine that UBW is clearly the greatest anime since Bakemonogatari and can't have turned the entire medium to shit

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>>134850894
But I liked both.

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>>134865846
Subtle.

>>134863931
>The entire medium is trash
>Only real mature novels and arthouse films can have good writing and directing!
I fucking love these memes, they're always perpetuated by idiots who read high school level literature, haven't seen more than 50 anime, and don't understand why certain books and movies are praised in the first place.

>>134864967
There are people who think TTGL was deep because it (tried to) have themes.

What's your point?

>>134863295
IBO is more boring than G-Reco

>>134869276
I won't deny it. Reco just distracted me while IBO is slower paced and more easy to follow.