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>>134717353
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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がんばれ!がんばれ!
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My ideal sensei.
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94% of people who try to learn a new language give up within 2 months. Why even waste your time?
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>>134753804
Because I managed to learn English, Russian, Latin and a bit of German.
I'm not confident enough to consider myself the arbitrary 6%.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Every noble work is at first impossible.
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>>134753804
94% of people are morons
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Did any of you try the JLPTs and can tell about it?
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>>134753804
>94% of people who try to learn a new language give up within 2 months.
Source?
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>>134754409
おとなは数字がだいすきなんだよ
たいせつなことは、目に見えないんだ
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>>134753804
Don't stop me now, I'm having such a good time
>>134754409
/a/non source
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>>134754459
You've already given up on learning English, haven't you?
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>>134753804
I need to be able to read doujinshi with intricate plotlines
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>>134754314
What do you want to know about it?
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The great quest to find compelling content
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>>134754880
Do you have to be able to write hiragana/katakana/kanji or simple multiple choice? how hard are the listening comprehensions?
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>>134755258
The entire test is multiple choice so no writing skills required.

I didn't practice for the listening sections at all so I'm wasn't sure about the format or difficulty when I took the test. There's a 30minute break between the vocab/grammar/reading section and the listening section and I used that time to listen to a few questions from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk04g9NrkF8
which I thought was pretty easy. But then the actual test rekt me so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>tfw your mom buys store brand snacks.
This bitch ...
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>>134755835
>eating the sugary Jew
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>>134755497
Thanks, at least the reading part seems easy enough with multiple choice
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>>134754314
http://www.j-cat.org

Take it, it's free, and it seems to be a pretty good predictor of JLPT success.
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>>134755897
Salty.
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>>134755497
Fuck yeah, I could listen to that pretty well and this is N1 level. Maybe I can take the N2 next year without much trouble after all.
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When it comes to do WK there is no problem for me. I'm used to do it everyday and it's kind of easy because it's a "no brain" activity (SRS system power).
But when it come to grammar I can't find the will to do some... and without grammar it's obvious that I won't go very far.

So do you have a grammar routine, if yes what is your method ?
Do you have a book and do 1 lesson each week , Do you study each day with exercices aside doing Wanikani ?
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>>134756004
Last year it was 'edgy' and this year it was 'pretentious'. Will this be the new ebin word that's going to be misused by retards all over the internet?
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>>134755988
I hope the people who did JLPT earlier this month have done or will do JCAT so they can post both scores at the same time
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>>134756074
I was correcting his assessment of what kind of snack I was munching you faggot bitch.
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>>134756074
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>>134756062
Can't add a DOJG deck to Wanikani can you JAJA
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>>134756074
>Being this edgy, pretentious, and salty
Slow down. I think he was saying "salty" as opposed to "sugary".
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>>134756159
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>>134756294
Doxxing you as we speak.
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>>134756062
What I did:
1) Read through most of TK
2) Install a VN and texthooker and read
2.1) Regularly consult TK, DoJG and google (https://www.renshuu.org/ , jgram, etc) when needed (which was once every sentence when I started)
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How would you say,

I came to America when I was four?

I have
>私は四さい(what am i missing here?)アメリカに行きます
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>>134756963
四年歳の時はアメリカに誘拐された
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>>134756963
watashi wa amerika yon ikimas su.
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>>134757024
hilarious
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>>134756963
4がわたしをアメリカにした
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>>134753804
I'm at 20 months
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>どうにもならない事をどうにかできないかと考えている

"I'm thinking that someway or another couldn't I do something about the things I couldn't do anything about."

Is this a correct translation?
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>>134756963
よんさいのときおじいさんに童貞卒業しました
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>>134757151
can you read yet?
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>>134754897
The quest for me is finding compelling content that isn't porn. It's really a struggle.
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>>134757191
I'm thinking about whether or not I could have done something about the things I thought I couldn't do anything about.
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>>134756963
4歳の時渡米いたしました
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>>134757221
I can read H-games and most moege without a texthooker - not necessarily knowing every word, but consistently knowing enough to understand every line and not have using a dictionary be obnoxious. So yeah, I can read. If I leave my bubble though things get hard, my struggle right now is getting myself to read non-nukige and non-moege, all the things I want to read like Muramasa require texthooker spam so I lose motivation (because I feel myself trampling on the story).
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コードギアスが好きだ。
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>>134757275
thank you.

Is there a reason why the 考えている is applied both to the どうにもならない as well as the どうにかできない or is it just for ease of translation?
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>>134757328
>there's a word for going to the US

why
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>>134757270
I can find tons of compelling content, the problem is it quickly loses its shine when I'm looking up words nonstop and struggling with grammar.

It's like streaming porn on a shitty connection. Is the content compelling? Hell yes. But after about 2 minutes, I can't be bothered to watch it anymore.
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>>134743347
>ろうったってそうはいかない
What does this mean?
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>>134757334
>moege
>Murasama
That's quite a gap. What about the games in between like 穢翼のユースティア、Baldr Sky Dive、Hapymaher、素晴らしき日々~不連続存在~、etc
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>>134757397
I think the object of 考えている is どうにかできない, whose object is どうにもならない事
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>>134757397
I wish I have make possiblity to do it.

よーわからん
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>>134757270
Read books
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>>134757430
>ったって
I believe this means "even if", I vaguely remember it from DOJG
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>>134757397
I'm thinking about (whether or not I could have done something about (the things I thought I couldn't do anything about.))

Remember that Japanese word order can mostly be considered as reversed, given the placement of verbs.
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>>134757430
しらを切ろうとしても、そうはいかない
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>>134756963
四歳にアメリカまで来ますた
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>>134757398
https://twitter.com/rmnsq/status/489959986072518656 
>>134757336
イレブンかぶれか
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>>134757398
They have one for all the countries that matter.
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きょうのよくわからないにほんご

>だいこんでなぐられるといたい
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>>134757454
I opened Aiyoku no Eustia (because I had it downloaded and you listed it) and read for 10 minutes non-stop without having any problems understanding the majority of what was being said without any assistance. So, I guess it's included too. The beginning didn't have any fantasy vocab spam so later parts would probably give me struggle, it's a pretty large game.
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>>134757270
I struggle too. It really is a cultural wasteland for adults.
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>>134757894
Nah, there's plenty of adult content if you open your eyes and look around, the problem here is just me myself being attention deficit if there's not porn to keep me hooked. A personal problem.
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>>134753804
>Just hit the 100 day mark a few days ago
Sweet I'm the 6%
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>>134757840
It hurts when you get hit by a giant radish?
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>>134757894
ほめるてるのか、けなしてるのか
どっちなの?おにいちゃん
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>>134757852
I'm not sure what would classify as fantasy vocab spam but I think the vocab and grammar remained fairly simple throughout the game.
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>>134757963
Aren't you ashamed of hoarding all the learned words to yourself? Everybody deserves their fair share of Japanese words.
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>>134758090
I only know 6,000-10,000 words (6k in anki, who knows how much from reading), so really, when my bubble is popped I'm a fish out of water. By "vocab spam", I just meant, really any fantasy vocab at all, I've only read 2 real fantasy VNs before, if Aiyoku starts talking real heavy shit about castles or whatever I'm absolutely fucked.
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>>134758205
I feed off the failures of weaboo normalfaggots who give up 2 weeks in
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>>134753804
2 weeks until 1 year anniversary.

If only I knew all the Kanji already.
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>>134758477
You would if you did RTK.
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>>134753804
Two year anniversary was about three days ago.

I watched some raw anime and read some manga in a magazine.

I feel like I'm reaching the opposite end of giving up. I feel like I'm slowly, ever so slowly grinding to a halt at which I will just be enjoying all the compelling content which I want to enjoy while not actively learning Japanese anymore.

Not tomorrow, not in a week and not in a month. But sometime. Certainly within the next year.

I wonder what I'll pick up next.
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>>134758945
> I feel like I'm slowly, ever so slowly grinding to a halt at which I will just be enjoying all the compelling content which I want to enjoy
That's the point I'm at now. Feels pretty good.
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>>134759100
What's it like?

I feel like it's the natural progression of things, but it also feels a tiny bit scary because I know that I will not be studying Japanese anymore. Something which has been a large part of my life for the past two years.
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>>134758278
I'd recommend you to continue reading Aiyoku since it's a great read. Aiyoku reuses vocab a lot and there's not that many info dump scenes so you should be fine.
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>>134759138
Day-to-day, it feels great, because I'm finally *free*. I always, like, I would see my friends going out and playing video games all day, and I'd think "how do they have the time to do that" as I finish my reps and study all night. Studying dominated my life. If I had a social life before hand, it surely would have been destroyed by obsession. I too have been studying for just about 2 years, and looking back, they're a haze of Anki and endless vocabulary. But now, I just do a little anki out of habit (and fear I suppose) and have a good time all day doing my hobbies. I can do other things if I want to, like play video games again, or watch youtube videos without feeling lazy. It's just good.

That said, I'm not native-level which is always a thorn in my side, I can enjoy all the compelling content I want to but if I say watch some old rakugo I completely lose track of what's going on if I shift my attention at all and it's hard to get back on. So I can't tell you what it's like to be fluent.
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okazoomi
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>>134758205
You know putting it in that perspective makes me want to learn more.
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>>134760066
>NTRing rare vocabulary away from natives
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Is there software that can mine words from text automatically without me having to go through saving words 1 by 1?

i.e. I'd like to be able to feed a couple pages of a LN, or a .srt subtitles file to an application, and get a word list back to make an deck that I can grind for a few days before I try to read / listen.

Maybe it will make absorbing "compelling content" a little less arduous.
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>>134760461
Epwing2Anki
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>>134760461
> like to be able to feed a couple pages of a LN, or a .srt subtitles file to an application, and get a word list back to make an deck that I can grind for a few days before I try to read / listen
Japanese Text Analysis Tool then Epwing2Anki
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>Do I need an indirect object when using causative form?
These kind of questions definitely indicate an error in one's approach to learning, right?
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>>134761249
No.
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>>134761249
It's not a mistake if you figure out its cause.
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>>134761249
Yes.
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Are you a bad enough dude to translate "ain't nobody got time for that" into Japanese while maintaining the tone and nuance?
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>>134762089
You can't talk like a nigger in Japanese.
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Alright, I don't think I get the difference between ごとに and おきに. Sometimes they mark the same interval ごとに = N and おきに = N but sometimes it can also be ごとに = N and おきに = N+1. Why?
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Getting a job has absolutely destroyed my progress. Studying on the train is so distracting and I can't seem to bring myself to do it on the weekends at all so I'm always behind.

I'm starting to think I should just move away from anki even though I haven't finished my deck yet because it's just not going to happen at this point. So my question is, does anyone here use a tablet for reading? Would you recommend it? What model do you use? I think it will have to be a Windows one so I can use shit like Kanji-tomo but other than that I'm pretty clueless.
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>>134762345
Anki should only take 10-30 some minutes for someone who's been studying as long as you. Dropping anki is not going to save you any time. Ultimately I think in your situation, you're just going to end up studying less after dropping anki, which won't help you at all. I fully admit to be projecting/prejudicing/whatever when I say this but: are you sure you're not just being lazy? I know, you have a job. I got lazy when I got a job too. But it was just laziness. Laziness from not wanting to study after getting a job. Are you wanting to move away from Anki because you think it will help you, or are you just being lazy?
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>>134762345
Just keep your anki time down to 15 mins or less if you really can't do it outside. You can spare that time can't you?
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>>134762089
i tried to translate this to practice, why is this so hard?
それが時間持つない誰も
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>>134762494
I'll admit it is partly laziness, that's why I don't do it on the weekends, I just can't bring myself to do it. And I'm really slow at anki my average is 60mins for 170~ cards.

I'm not going to drop it entirely but I think switching focus might help since I'm found so poorly currently.
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>>134762345
ipad with jailbreak (ios anki isn't free)
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I'm using the core deck linked in the guide and going over TK's grammar guide.

Is there anywhere I can practice grammar?

Also I've left all the settings in Anki at default. Is it recommended to change anything?
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>>134762204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gCfBMZRYow
>ピース 元気か?
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>>134762808
I have anki for phone, but I was thinking of getting a tablet for reading so I could install the ocr translation text hooker bullshit on it.
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So I'm going through the core 6k anki deck.
How exactly am I supposed to remember the readings of these words?
Should I be assigning each word a little story in my head depending on what the kanji looks like?
How do I make the connection between some random squiggles to a definition and sound?
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It is of course possible to learn Japanese without Anki, or flashcards; consuming native content is ultimately the royal road of language and will always be a path to success. However, there are many things to consider that, ultimately, lead to Anki always being an incredibly valuable asset, and one that can be instrumental in successfully learning a language, particularly for people not living in the country of their target language.

1 - Anki allows you to expose yourself to targeted material and thereby quickly improve in certain areas. A kanji deck, for example, will teach you how to recognize more kanji far before Core6k or similarly styled vocabulary decks will. Similarly, for late-intermediates, Anki lets you target problem words and less common words must faster than you otherwise would. For example, if you struggle to remember the word 白を切る due to it's odd pronunciation, you could add it to anki and memorize it far sooner than you would if you waited for reading to naturally get you there. Therefore, even an ardent reader can still benefit from a little anki.

2 - This is the real killer - context. When reading we restrict ourselves to certain contexts. It's not uncommon for learners to shy away from reading newspapers or what have you due to how dry the material is and how difficult the vocabulary is. Therefore, it's possible for a language learner to completely avoid large portions of the language, and thereby drastically limit their potential. Anki helps circumvent this by teaching you words without forcing you to read the material they're found in. An example of this is prefectures - it takes a long time to pick up prefecture names just from reading, whereas it takes only an hour or two to have them all memorized in an anki deck.

3 - Anki ensures progress. If you do 20 new cards a day, you learn 20 new words a day without fail. It's possible to read for hours ignoring unknown content and therefore not progressing in terms of vocab.
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>>134763070
RTK/Kanjidamage
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>>134762798
Are you sure switching focus will help? I don't know your situation, I just, you know, think you should really think if this is actually going to help you and if you're actually going to read enough to make up for the lost anki gains.
>>134763070
Just keep hittin' them till it sticks. Often-times radicals will give clues but it's not consistent. There's really nothing you can do except grind them out. You can make it easier by reading furigana stuff / listening which will expose you to the readings without kanji but I imagine that's above your level. You could also do mnemonic based approaches like >>134763146 but your mileage will vary.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl6_pZP-_jg
Am I going fucking crazy? I hear "教てて" in the beginning instead of "教えて" no matter how much I replay the song and focus on trying to hear え.
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>>134763352
Get headphones
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>>134763411
I have them.
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>>134762251
Guys?
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>>134763352
You might be. That's probably the most clear え I've ever fucking heard, I can't imagine anyone mistaking that for a て, even more so when there's one for comparison directly after it.
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>>134762846
>Is there anywhere I can practice grammar?
Outside of the example sentences, not really unless you want to jump into native content while constantly referring to a dictionary and not understanding a most of the grammar (depending how far into Tae Kim you are). If you mean reviewing Tae Kim grammar, I think we have a Tae Kim deck somewhere with the example sentences, but I'm not sure how worthwhile doing that would be.

>Also I've left all the settings in Anki at default. Is it recommended to change anything?
Don't limit reviews (set it to 9999 even if there's no way you'll ever reach that). Beyond that it's mostly personal preference. Read up in the Anki manual to see what stuff does. Starting interval, interval modifier, and a lot of the other settings are largely personal preference.
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>>134763352
Get better headphones

also, it's music man
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>>134763421
Get better ears.
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>>134763352
she clearly says てて and says it multiple times. Also you know what it says and it's just an ending. Why are you so held up by this one little thing.
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>>134763352
Yes, you're crazy, i can clearly hear it. try to focus on the syllables?



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>>134763550
>>she clearly says てて
Is this some shitty headphone thing or something? Like some crappy crackling being mistaken for a t?

The え is slightly elongated, but in a "eh" kind of way, not a "te" kind of way. There's no possible way you could mistake it for a て unless you have literally no experience with listening.
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>>134763550
>she clearly says てて and says it multiple times.
I see
>Why are you so held up by this one little thing.
I listen to this song in particular a lot, and it always bugs me. Thought I'd make a post about it.
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>>134757959
>plenty

Honestly, try to name a single interesting modern Japanese author besides Mishima, you can't.
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>>134763486
You seem to know a fair bit about anki, is there a way to reset or cap the intervals?

I just got back into it after a few months haitus and there are words with >7month intervals when I answer "Good", I don't want that when i'm basically trying to review everything
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>>134763733
Do you remember them? Mission accomplished, those intervals are accurate.
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>>134763690
Yamada Masaki, Sasamoto Yuuichi, Romeo Tanaka, Enjoe Toh, Tsutsui Yasutaka, Mareni, Kambayashi Chouhei, Nojiri Housuke, Mitsuse Ryuu, Oohara Mariko, Aramata Hiroshi, Sakyo Komatsu, Edogawa Ranpo, and Ogawa Issui.
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>>134763899
I said interesting.
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>>134763927
If you find all of those people boring, then you yourself are boring. They're interesting in their own ways - not everyone has to be an over-the-top masculine samurai to be interesting.
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Guys, help me, I need some listening practice and I have no anime left to watch right now
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>>134764096
>I have no anime left to watch
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>>134763927
Are you serious?
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>>134764169
The fact he replied in less than 1 minute leads me to believe he didn't even read (or recognize) the names and just wanted to make a snappy reply.
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>>134763733
If you're sure you want to set a blanket cap, "Maximum Interval" should work for that purpose if you want to set a cap of 3 months, but that means 3 months from now you'll get pummeled with a huge amount of reviews, so I'd recommend just toughing it out since you went 3 months longer than intended for those reviews anyways and probably won't have issues just hitting 7 months or however long it is.

If you mean just starting over completely with 0 learned cards (which I don't know why you'd want to do that and I'd advise against doing that), then you could just export the deck, uncheck scheduling information (export another WITH scheduling information in case you change your mind and want to recover the deck), delete the deck, then import the deck that you just exported without scheduling information. Again, I'd advise against doing this and to just tough it out and do the reviews you missed, even if it fucks up your mature stat.
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>>134764129
I assume he means good anime, which is easy to run out of
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Daily reminder that 40,000 cards spread equally over 100 days is only 400 reviews a day.
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For people who used Heisig, did you just go about remembering the meanings, then just learn actual pronunciations as you came across vocabulary that used those kanji?

Also, in general, how do you go about learning new vocabulary? Do you learn the pronunciation of the given vocabulary first then introduce the kanji once you know the word in hiragana? Or do you you make a flashcard (front/back) that has hiragana/english, kanji/english, or kanji/hiragana?

Also, what's the best thing I can do to practice grammar? Like, I sort of understand concepts like:
--> progressive tenses: "I am eating." == "食べて います"
--> wanting to do with "-tai" endings.
--> wanting things with "ほしい"
--> particles, what seem like subtleties to me between "wa" and "ga", and using the particle "e" for direction.
But I really need to do something to practice those ideas, rather than just read about it, you know? Everyone always says to read, but I barely know any kanji so it's very difficult.

Sorry for the blog post, but I've been studying for 6 months and kind of feel like I'm not making much progress anymore.
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>>134764129
I have nothing downloaded and would have to go look at older anime to find something good. Also need to finish it in a couple days so I can start watching the current season
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>>134764246
>400 reviews a day
yOU SURE66
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>>134764417
Yeah.
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>>134763215
Well to switch focus a bit, you said anki should only take 10-30mins. If that were the case I could do it easily. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. Anki says it it takes me 20sec per card. Should I be racing through it? Usually it takes me a while to recall the reading/word but maybe if I can't remember it right away I should just fail it?
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>>134764507
really sure7
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>>134763899
Those are some interesting names. Do you know any more outside the SF genre?
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>>134764521
Naturally, the time one takes in anki is pretty personal. It is my experience, and it is the experience I have noted it many others, that once they are fairly comfortable with kanji, that their speed shoots up. So when I said it "should" only take 10-30 minutes, I was thinking of that + the fact that if anki is taking 1+ hour it would be wise to scale back new cards to keep it around 30m (for someone such as yourself who is getting burned out).

For me, personally, if I don't remember a word within 5 seconds I fail it. This leads to struggling a little bit with memorizing unfamiliar kanji, so I give myself more time on those. It it my opinion that if you can't recognize a word within 5 seconds in anki, even you remember it eventually, you didn't remember it well enough that you wouldn't benefit from reviewing it more in anki. So that's how I keep times down. Do what you think is best for yourself, I am absolutely not saying my advice is the ultimate thing to do, I just don't want to see someone drop anki and suffer a lot from it, which is something I see occur often.
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>>134764670
Sorry, SF is my favourite genre so that's what I'm familiar with. I know Yoshiki Tanaka has a fantasy series, Arslan, I've been meaning to read that.
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>>134764247
Learned "meanings" via a combo of the keywords, kanjidic meanings, and some example vocab. Learning readings through vocab. Learned handwriting from mnemonics (usually just used Koohii stories or my own stories, I didn't like most of Heisig's stories). Adding new kanji found in reading to my kanji production deck.

>Also, in general, how do you go about learning new vocabulary?
Generally just kanji on front with meaning, reading, audio, and example sentence (usually the sentence I mined it from) on the back. I usually only import as kana-only if there isn't a kanji counterpart or the kanji counterpart is extremely rare to see (though even then I usually import the kanji counterpart as well).

>Also, what's the best thing I can do to practice grammar? I really need to do something to practice those ideas, rather than just read about it, you know?
Try the DoJG deck in the OP. You might need to do some re-arranging of the card format to make it work well for you though (or delete one of the card types if you want to go through it faster). Someone last thread posted their recognition layout (looks different from the default styling-wise, though) >>134725200. Beyond that, it really is just a matter of read more. I guess you could try production on lang8 or with a skype language exchange too if you're interested in speaking in the near future, though most here are putting it off until they're at a high reading/listening level.


Sorry for the long post. Hope it helped, though.
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Besides from lang-8, are there any decent ways online to speak with Japanese people? I'd like to practice my pronunciation
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>>134764891
Skype. And I'm pretty sure if you want good pronunciation your focus should be listening, I'm not an expert so if someone can back me up / shoot me down here that'd be helpful thank you.
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>>134764507
400 new cards a day. That translates to about 4000 reviews a day over the long term. Good luck with that.
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>>134764972
I agree, I do both listening and shadowing daily. I'm not sure where to start on finding Japanese speakers on Skype, but I'll check it out thanks
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>>134755940
The difficulty isn't actually answering the questions. It's answering the questions under a harsh time limit in a stress situation.

A lot of JLPT is reading speed, endurance and being used to the test format.

That said, it's not easy just because it's multiple choice. Most answers seem plausible and stopping to think (or even worse, rereading the text) costs valuable time that you just don't have.
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>>134765091
Woah, you misunderstood bad fella. I was talking about interval limits. If you limit your interval to 100 days, worst case scenario, literally worst case with a deck of 40,000 cards all at interval limit, you'll still only get 400 reviews a day (40,000 mature cards, all at interval limit, 100 days, 400 a day). I posted that in response to people saying limits are a bad idea. While perhaps not the best idea, even in the worst case scenario they don't add that many reviews (as long as you stay over 100 - an interval limit of 1 month or 2 month would be awful).
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>>134758832
New to japanese here.
How do I "do" RTK?
Do I just have to read the book?
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>>134765220
Age hasn't been kind to Miyamoto.
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Are you a bad enough dude to read the first page of Arslan Senki?
I am displeased to learn it doesn't have the two-box method of splitting text like LOGH does
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>>134764714
Thanks for the help. I appreciate it.
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>>134765356
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>>134765392
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>>134765392
Feels good to be on top
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>>134765484
That one was for the commentary. Last memeable one here.
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>>134765356
Is that a graph joke?
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>>134765628
It's real.
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>>134765709
the joke is that the chart resembles the japanese flag
thank god no one lived there though
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>>134765742
oh, kek
That's brilliant
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>>134765356
"Have you ever been to Japan" might have been more interesting
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>>134765833
Maybe. I thought this might catch some outliers that have a completely different experience with the language, though.
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>>134765880
>go to japan
>try to speak to people
>cant understand what they say
>go to room and do anki while crying
I'm sure it's a completely different experience
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>>134765356
陶器のように
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>>134766093
It was, three months or longer and not early childhood before you learned how to speak.
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>>134766093
>>go to room and read the first chapter of Genki again
Fixed that for you.

The only people stupid enough to move to Japan while still in the lower beginner stages of learning are all on Reddit.
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>>134766223
>go to japan
>try to speak to people
>say "agoogogoo" and "mama"
>don't understand a word of what people say
>go home a shit myself to sleep
Good plan
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>>134766231
Nah, we had one of those here not too long ago.
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壱謁劾款斤琴虞桑倹侯坑墾崎桟嗣諮滋璽酌儒准抄詔帥杉窃仙塑租衷勅朕塚坪逓迭痘謄弐賠舶藩頒罷扶賦附丙俸某岬窯酪厘廉唄岡韓畿錦熊舷梗埼腎曽堆酎椎栃斑阜冶弥梨賂哺毀憬楷瘍諧錮

I need these kanji to finish off the Jouyou kanji. Time to mine a bunch of words from Jisho.
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>>134765178

What do you use for shadowing?
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>>134766341
You're just a breath away from being a real person, you can do it!
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>>134764840
>Sorry for the long post. Hope it helped, though.
It did, thank you!
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>this part of core2k
>上がる
>毎年
>空く
>5+ pronunciations of 下
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>>134766593
Literally the hardest part of japanese
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>>134766593
上 and 下 are annoying for any beginner, but it's literally one of the most annoying kanji, from there on out most kanji are two readings, some of them only have one, and a lot of them are used 99% in only a single word and never mentioned outside that context.
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Damn Steve is sexy
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>>134766710
>a lot of them are used 99% in only a single word and never mentioned outside that context.
Literally the worst. Might aswell use kana instead of these
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>>134766341
Heh. I cross referenced this list with a list of prefectures and added all of the matches to my Mining deck. Kanji grid: expanded.
山梨
岐阜
栃木
埼玉
熊本
静岡
滋賀
長崎
宮崎
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>>134766831
Where's Steve?
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Does anyone have a torrent/download for the JALUP sentences? They piqued my interest but no way in hell I'm paying $100 for each level.
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>>134767301
Believe in the Steve, and you will find his presence within you as you read.
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>>134767625
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>>134767547
>Stealing.
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何これ
どうして
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>>134767885
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>134766093
>go to japan
>speak to people
>have better Japanese than they have English
>been studying a year, while they've been "studying" all through school
>converse in Japanese lots
Feels good, man.
I'd like to thank the authors of all the moege I read, especially fureraba, for my success.
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>>134767967
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Daily reminder to not use wanikani, unless you like paying for an inferior version of free software.
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>>134768163
Am I allowed yo use the free period?
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>>134768350
Do you have a note from your parents?
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>>134768121

ありがとう
今度こそ、「””」 を使ってなかった
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Word of the day: 突飛

「とっぴ」って
なんというか、声に出すとかわいいね

とっぴ
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>>134768412
I l-left it at home.
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>>134768163
Have you read twgok?
If not, go read it.
If so, remember what kami-niisama said about negative encounters? Because that's what you're doing.
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>>134768350
No. At best you waste time, at worst you actively harm your learning by incorrectly associating radicals.

Do a radical deck, and RTK if you have trouble telling kanji apart.
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So I've just finished learning katakana and hiragana, what is the best way to learn words?

Is just memorizing the anki deck enough? What about kanji?
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>>134753804
i was in the 94% but came crawling back cause the tools got heaps better than when i started
pimsleur a shit
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>>134768621
1) Download the core 2k/6k. Delete the numbers (ichi, ni, etc). You should study those outside of anki because it's so easy to mix them up and it makes your reps take forever unless you have a good memory.

2) Download Genki, and read Tae Kim. Once you have a good grasp of grammar, consider the grammar anki deck in the OP

3) Can you tell kanji apart (visually) or does it all look like moonrune squiggles to you? If you can, do a radical deck, and then kanji. Do not use wanikani.

If you can't, chug through RTK as fast as you can, while you do a radical deck, then do kanji.

But where do I get these kanji, you ask? Reading. Download Rikisama, start reading. Every time you see a kanji you don't know, mouse over it, it'll give you definitions, hopefully you can pick the not retarded one from the context. Make an Anki card out of it. Keep adding.

Do all of these at the same time.

Repeat.
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>>134768600
I have not anon.
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>>134767547
Core2k/6k/12k, Nayr Core5k, Japanese Grammar Bank, and more.

You don't need to pay for Mr. Shapiro for his sentence deck.
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>>134768628
Nothing wrong with Pimsleur, mate. It was designed by professionals. The problem is probably in your head.
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>>134753804
sauce on that stat? also an absurd amount of people regain weight after they lose it but i've been down 150 lbs. for 4 years now so fuck your math.
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>>134768842
Firstly go read it, it's great.
Secondly, by posting that repeatedly you're still helping get their brand out there and known, and even though your post is negative it may actually result in more people using it. A better approach is to just never mention it unless some noob asks about it.
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Should I learn 861 jinmeiyō kanji (name kanji) after the core 2136. Does it make much difference, or is it simpler to pick it up when I see them in text.
I mean according to testyourvocab.com I only know about 16k words in English and I can read pretty much anything, only with literature i need to look up some words.
Opinions?
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>>134769169
>simpler to pick it up when I see them in text.
Pick them up when you see you them in text. There'll be soooo many that you see so rarely, that it would be better to focus on expanding your vocabulary knowledge.
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>>134769124
I don't think he's posting with the best of intentions.
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>>134769169
at that point just pick up whatever you read. If you're not reading stuff with those kanji why learn them?
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>>134769169

Hm. I should improve my English vocab. Not knowing any of the final column's words on this test was a bit embarrassing even if you rarely see them.

English Core30k when?
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>>134769499
I mean come on. Having a higher vocabulary doesn't make you better, especially if you only achieve it by grinding flashcards. Strive for clarity and depth of thought, not for a swollen vocab dick.
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Are names in anime and manga purposely made simple? I hear people saying that it's super arbitrary and can be anything and then I see stuff like 姫川(ひめかわ)or 青子 (あおこ).
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>>134769562
They're simple on purpose.
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DJTは漢字が読めないばかりか、平仮名さえ読めない
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>>134769499
>Not knowing any of the final column's words on this test was a bit embarrassing even if you rarely see them.
There's probably an explanation for that.

It comes down to whether you want the savings of using more specific words (i.e. imbroglio
) instead of a combination of more well known words (extremely confused/complicated/embarassing situation).

If you want to be a dick to everybody else by forcing them to look up each niche word you feel like using, go ahead. Just know because you can't doesn't mean you should.

I have a feeling the same could be said about any language, basically cutting the fluff to commonly (read: exposed to) words. That survey at the end should give an idea as to why.
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>>134769848
Back in high school I would always give really grandiose speeches with the English equivalent of chuu2 vocab and stuff, and it was only after I graduated that I realized that it was very very likely that people simply did not understand what I was saying and just pretended to follow along. I feel pretty silly looking back at that.
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>>134769499
Most of those words are bullshit anyway. You might find each one used like once every 20 books in serious contemporary literature. At that point memorizing them is a waste of time, just use a dictionary when you come across one.
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>>134769499
fug :D
So this is the reason why I'm struggling with RTK's keywords.
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>>134769954
I don't get it, what's that nig saying?
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>>134770390
アニメ好きはやっぱりどこかおかしいと思われてる
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>>134770429
what does that mean
Liking anime is strange funny laughable anywhere you are?
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>>134769832
You need to read more.
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>>134770467
Translating to the best of my ability:
Afterall, If you like anime people think you are weird somewhere in the head.
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>>134769499
I got 23,400 but I don't know if it's accurate because I knew a lot of the "complicated" words simply because they were French words.
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>>134770467
アニメ好きはやっぱり「(アニメが好きな人は)どこか(が)おかしい」と思われてる
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>>134770467
>tfw that nig's japanese owns yours
Liking anime is thought of as strange.
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>>134770640
>と思われて
oh I get it, thanks
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>>134769499
I feel like a big idiot now, learning another language when I can barely speak English.
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名詞に付いて、一つのまとまりのある関係にあることを表す語。

what does "一つのまとまりのある関係にある" mean?
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http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1449970789781.webm
How do I get this to play on loop?
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>>134770863
It's already in loop if you use a proper web browser.
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素人目

did you read it correctly?
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>>134770900
Yeah, because I know the word 素人
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>>134770900
sirouto me
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>>134770863
If you're using firefox, there's definitely an extension for that.
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>>134771193
I just loaded it onto foobar and let it rip
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>>134770900
Nope, right now i'm up to 会談 in core 2k
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>>134769169
This site under-rates beacuse it's full of french loanwords.
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>>134768922
We should meme the fuck out of Pimsleur next. Who's with me?
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>>134768810
Okay, I'm looking at this radical deck, but I'm not understanding what it's trying to say. Like I'm looking at a radical, and it says water, but then it has a bunch of other words above it. It's also showing stroke orders for some kanji that doesn't even have the radical in it.
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>>134768810
>Do not use wanikani.
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>>134771779
Without an example of a card I can't help you anon.

>>134771852
Best advice to possibly give someone new. It's objectively inferior to anki in every way
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>>134771779
Try this one:
ankiweb.net/shared/info/1044119361
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>>134771892
>Objectively inferior.
>Better interface.
>Gamification is a good motivator.
>Easy to understand, gives more context than Anki, which just throws words at you.
Anki is why so many people from this thread give up. Look at other Japanese learning communities. What do they recommend? GENKI, WANIKANI, RTK, READING. Anki? Nope.
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>>134771703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmO62g1IDo
It's pretty cool when you look at it, no? It even teaches scummy anglos how to pronounce shit.
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>didnt study for a year
>come back to anki
>find that reading the sentences actually helps

onto my 4000 reviews
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>>134771892
Seems like the font may have been a glitch nevermind. But I'm not understanding what I do with this info. Do I just take it that this will always mean water? And I'm also not seeing how it's appearing in some of the later examples, they don't seem to include it at all.
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>>134770729
No-one?
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>>134772018
Sounds like you're dying to spend more time at /r/learnjapanese
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>>134772085
The goal is to be able to recognize the radical. How you use this information to help you with kanji later is your own business.
Make sure to look at the "alternative form" section, those later examples are using it
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>>134772018
>Objectively inferior.

It is

>Better interface.

If you find garish colours better, sure.

>Gamification is a good motivator.

Learning japanese is a good motivation anon. Gamification is about the only thing it has going for it.

>Easy to understand, gives more context than Anki, which just throws words at you.

You're supposed to combine a deck with outside study? I said to use RTK and genki and Tae Kim.

You're missing out on the fact that

1) It teaches you radicals incorrectly, leading to confusion when and if you stop using it, either because you hit the end or because you realized its shit

2) It's scheduling system is worse in every way, doesn't even bother to try to break cards away from eachother. Hope you read kanji in real life in that order, because that's what your memory is being primed to do

3) Can't export scheduling data. Forcing your to start from square 1 when and if you leave wani

4) Less customization in every way.

5) Since wanikani doesn't let you add cards, it eventually ends, and you can't study more with the system, unlike anki which lets you study anything you want

6) Wanikani is far slower in order to bilk money from you

I could go on. tl;dr, anki is a swiss army knife, wanikani is a spoon with shit on it.
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>>134772018
90% of all other japanese learning communities reccomend spending atleast 5 years on genki 1
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>>134772279
>eachother
>>134772289
>reccomend
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When you get right down to it, Anki is flashcards with an SRS system wrapping, and with many options for modifying both the cards and the SRS algorithm variables. That's it - it's really just plain flashcards, at the end of the day. And who in their right mind is going to try and say flashcards aren't effective memorization tools? All these debates about Anki vs Memrise vs Pimsleur vs Wanikani are all nonsense. They're all dressed up flash cards, and Anki is the only one that gives YOU all the tools to make them suit your own learning style. Anki wins, every time.
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>>134772018
>Contains literally wrong information
>Artificially limits your progress
>Locked in to it, can't export your scheduling information
>Tells you whether you got something right, have to go outside the normal system to make "dad" a synonym for "father"
>Objectively inferior scheduling system to Anki's
>Only customization is browser mods like scriptish
>Eventually ends and you're fucked if you want more content
>Artificially limits your speed, even if you go /as fast as possible/ you can only go as fast as a /normal/ anki user
>Costs money
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>>134772085
All those kanji in the bottom have water in them, anon. See the 3 dots on the left? That's from the water radical.

The radical won't always mean something, sometimes it's like the silent K in knight, but when it does mean something, it almost always if not always has something to do with water/fluid

汀 means water's edge
汁 means soup, juice, broth, pus
沺 means vast, surging waters.

Again though, not all are this obvious, I picked them because you can see the lines on the left, the water radical in use. Look at the alternative forms. The top in hiragana are readings.
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>>134772384
?
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Updated my kanji primer.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sO88keA0kMfRFInAzx-ZvFkoDzwtFEo8c_I4MFLQDgg/pub
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I preferred when people shilled RTK. At least then I was confident that no literal shilling was going on.
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>>134772384
"eachother" is valid, bro
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why anki so shit?

Why can't I go "I want to review this set of cards" instead of a random selection?
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>>134772218
I guess what is confusing to me is that the kanji itself means water, but then when put together with others it doesn't matter what its individual meaning is, am I right? I can see where the radical is on the other kanji but I'm not seeing how that helps to understand what the kanji means if the radical doesn't reflect the meaning.
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>>134772565
>random
It's not random, it's SRS. Read about what you're shitting on so you don't look like an idiot.
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>>134772565
Custom study
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>>134772494
>(nonstandard, proscribed)
Keep telling yourself that.
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>>134772065
This seems like fine listening practice, why do people hate it again?
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>>134772605
It's not a perfect system. Sometimes it means something, in which case that radical means water, sometimes it means nothing, but learning the radicals helps associate the kanji in your head, and you can kinda guess what a kanji means
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I'm going to Japan in less than a month. Is it too weeb to address a Japanese person with honorifics when you're speaking in English?
E.g. someone's last name is Suzuki, can I refer to him as Suzuki-san?
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>>134772666
>valid
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>>134772695
You'll be laughed at either way.
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>>134772695
yes, don't be a faggot
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>>134772687
Okay, I guess that makes sense. I suppose I just didn't get it because I was looking to start learning words instead of another sort of alphabet.
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>>134772695
Call him Mr. Suzuki, he might at least get a kick out of it.

Otherwise default to the standard fucking way of speaking, using pronouns.
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>>134770729
"一つのまとまりのある関係にある"
何らかのルールで ひとまとめに した状態
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>>134772756
>>134772797
>>134772804
So I guess first names then?
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>>134772695
Would you be asking this question if you were going to France and wondered if it were appropriate to add monsieur in front of people's names when speaking English or Herr in Germany.
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I'm wanting to get a manga off Amazon but there seems to be two "editions" available, Tankobon Softcover and Comic. It seems to be the same way on Japanese Amazon too. Anyone know what the difference might be?
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>>134772803
If you can tell kanji apart, you can start learning them at the same time you learn the radicals.

If you can't, do RTK as you learn the radicals, he makes up some odd names, but it helps with some mneomics. Just remember the real names of the radicals, and you'll be okay.
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>>134772085
What dick is this?
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>>134770729
>>134772110
Hopefully someone really good sees it and answers this. I'm shit at japanese

>一つのまとまりのある関係にあること
"the thing that is the single unifying/collecting relation"

i.e. a common thread

If what you posted is the dictionary definition of 系 I think it makes sense -- you see 系 used in terms like "cardiovascular system", "solar system", or for shit like ancestral/family lines.
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>>134772695
Use -sama when all else fails.
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>>134772861
Tankobon is the material that tenga eggs are made of. Do recommend.
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>>134772695
Use his fucking title, i.e. Mr./Dr. Suzuki or whatever
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>>134772605
Sometimes it does help you understand what it means like >>134772427 pointed out
In the end though it's not supposed to necessarily help you guess the meaning of a kanji, but make it easier for you to commit it to memory. For example the kanji 数, with the meaning "number," contains radicals for "rice," "woman," and "strike." These radicals do not help you guess the meaning at all, but given that you know how to write these three radicals, you now know how to write the kanji. How you ultimately use this information is up to you. For example you could come up with a simple mnemonic for the kanji in the vein of RTK now if you're having trouble with it.
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>>134772708
Define valid.
I don't think it's valid if it's nonstandard and proscribed.
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>>134772828
I should of rephrased, I know the general meaning of it is, but not how "一つのまとまりのある関係にある" works grammatically.
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>>134772870
I do think I can tell the difference. If I look at two kanji I can visually see they're different shapes, even if they're equally meaningless to me right now.

>>134773067
Okay that makes sense to me. I like how they can be symbolic. I was laughing because I got to the radical for tree now and I realized that 木, 林, and 森 are just the same character multiple times to mean how many trees there are.
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>>134773113
Well, that would be a ridiculous definition.
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The link to the anki startup deck is no longer valid.
https://mega.co.nz/#!OxZhUQAJ!6l_TJEmyoNrGZOrTvey3iDXPzFVHL8ww_Cyo_jcAzvk
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>>134773428
Then start working on a kanji deck. Try to find one with stroke order, as a lot of people find it easier to remember kanji if they write them down, and this way you'll write them down correctly. Work on your radicals, and try to find the radicals in each kanji.

You can flip through them like idle flashcards and try to bruteforce it, or actually study the kanji, and make it far easier on yourself in the long run.
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>>134773206
You're missing こと at the end there which nominalizes the whole thing. Pretty important. Split it into relative clauses:

「一つのまとまりのある」関係 - relationship of having a single unity
関係にあることを表す - indicates the existence of a relationship

now combine the two
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>tfw just doing reps
>tfw masturbating to hentai rest of the day
>barely making progress
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>>134773705
Just read raw hentai instead.
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>>134773767
I am reading raw hentai. It's too easy and I'm not getting better.
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>>134773457
It's useless to argue about definitions. I think ultimately if someone corrects you for using a nonstandard and proscribed alternative to a more commonly accepted term, you deserve it.
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>>134773795
Read ero-filled but lexically-advanced eroge.
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>>134773848
If such a VN exists I would be pleased to hear it. Closest I've come is Hoshizora on Bablyon
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>>134773811
Maybe if they're writing an academic paper or news article. Not if they're writing a post on an internet forum that isn't slaved to the pedantry and prescription of people who say such ridiculous things as to not split infinitives or saying that prepositions aren't something you can end a sentence on.
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How many months of study did it take before you started reading?
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>>134773890
Maybe you should just stop masturbating.
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>>134773916
6 years
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>>134773848
Those are very rare. You either get simple stuff with sex scenes every 20 minutes or 60 hour long VNs with 8 sex scenes interspersed throughout.

Ero-manga is better for this in my opinion. It's good that most of them are 24 pages long.
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>>134773929
>Maybe you should just stop masturbating.
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>>134773916
3 years before I got brave enough to read yotsubato.
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>>134773976
How about limiting masturbation?
Or using masturbation as an insentive to learn Japanese.
No hentai till you've read 50 pages of LOGH.
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>相手
>companion, partner
>other party, opponent
What the fuck? I thought it was just enemy
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>>134774102
敵 is be enemy among other things
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>「食事なら目的が定まってる分、相手もハッキリ返事しやすいだろ」
>なるほど、断るのが苦手な女の子でも、もう食事は済ませちゃいましたと言えばOKだし。

I give up, after almost one year of "studying" even fureraba is too hard for me
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>>134774102
I understand it as meaning "complimentary other-party" whether it be confrontational or romantic, etc. In a duel it's your opponent in a dance it's your dance partner.
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>>134773652
Ah this helps me a lot, however "relationship of having a single unity" sounds really cryptic, maybe I'm just tired.
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>>134774219
None of us are gonna make it.
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>>134774219
NO ANON
DON'T LET YOUR YEAR GO TO WASTE
PICK YOURSELF UP OFF THE GROUND AND TRY AGAIN
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>>134774219
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>>134774219
We're all in this together, anon.
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>>134772861
>>134772967

Seriously though, what's the difference. They're the same price and according to Wikipedia, "Japanese people frequently refer to manga tankōbon as komikkusu (コミックス), from the English word "comics"." so I don't know what the fuck. I might just flip a damn coin.
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>>134773548
One more thing, I can remember what a radical is now, but should I try to remember both the Japanese pronunciation or just focus on the meaning? I'm learning words along with these radicals but I don't know them yet.
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>>134774039
>No hentai till you've read 50 pages of LOGH.
厳しすぎよぉ
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I got the afterword of Gendai Manga Ronshuu's second print, though I'm not sure if it's the same as the 1969 edition that I have. I'll have to try and compare them.

Is this okay for reading? It seems to have OCR'd fine in ABBYY (however accurate it is), probably a few mistakes. I might just put these scans at the end, but I could OCR it and make new pages instead.
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>>134774330
okay I won't, now can you help me understand what the fuck those sentences mean
they want to pick up girls and I guess they are considering inviting one to a meal, but I'm completely lost after 食事なら目的が定まってる分 and I'm not even sure if I get that, I don't understand the 分 at all
Maybe it's "the minute the goal gets fixed"? I don't know
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>>134774405
Meaning. The radicals that are kanji you'll learn through reading/context.
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>>134773893
I agree it's a little pedantic, but don't compare it to split infinitives and ending sentences with prepositions. Those rules are almost universally ignored even by people who know about them whereas "eachother" will appear pretty much nowhere in the realm of writing.
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>>134774219
>learning a language to a comfortable and fluent level will take about 4 years
>fuck that im not fluent after 1 year i quite
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Yo so does every verb have a transitive and intransitive form? What is this shit?
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>>134774536
It is a historical spelling. The only reason it's considered incorrect is because people insist on saying it's wrong.

1826, G. H. C. Egestorff (translator), Friedrich Gottlieb Klopstock (author), Klopstock's Messiah (Der Messias), canto XIV, lines 94–6, page 427:

The pilgrims to the heavenly Salem, who / By nature for eachother were design’d, / In this life oft are near, yet do not meet.

1921 April, Charles Johnston, "Tao-Teh-King: An Interpretation of Lao Tse's Book of the Way and of Righteousness", part I (of VIII), in The Theosophical Quarterly, volume XVIII, The Theosophical Society, page 347:

Lao Tse is seeking to make clear the relation of the unmanifested and the manifested Logos to eachother, as poles of the same Being.
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>>134774219
These lines are tripping me up too. I don't really get it, but is it around
>「?, it's easy for your partner to respond.」
>I see, even women who are bad at being rejected will be fine if I tell them I already finished eating.
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tfw supposed to be studying kanji but chatting to livestreamers on niconico
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>>134774919
Any good streams?
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>>134774476
I would help you, but I've only been studying for a few months. Good luck.
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>mfw katakana was easier than I thought it'd be

Thank you dumb mnemonics.
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>>134775073
Yeah.`
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Does anyone want to talk to me?
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>>134774219
食事なら目的が定まってる分
"If it's a meal it already has a fixed goal (Eating, aside from dating, the 分 would point out the part that is 定まってる which is the 目的" So basically, because asking a girl out for food has the objective "getting food", that PART makes it easier for the other party to respond. Sorry if I suck at explaining this, I'm not 100% sure myself but it made sense to me. Besides, I'm sure you could still understand what everything meant by context.

>「食事なら目的が定まってる分、相手もハッキリ返事しやすいだろ」
>なるほど、断るのが苦手な女の子でも、もう食事は済ませちゃいましたと言えばOKだし。

>"If it's a meal, then there's already a stabilished goal to it, making it easier for the other party to reply."
> "I see, so even a girl that has problems turning people down could just say she's already had food and that'd be OK."
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>>134775205
いいぞ、お兄ちゃん、話を相手するよ!
元気?
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>>134775001
i was chatting to this kansai babe, but now im talking to guy eating his breakfast noodles.
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>>134775250
you are based
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>>134775450
いや、ごめん、文法を間違えたテヘヘ
今のがなかったことにしてくれ

>>134775493
I'm glad someone understood because I fucking suck at explaining things.
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>>134774611
>The only reason it's considered incorrect is because people insist on saying it's wrong.
That's how spelling works. It's why the word is described as nonstandard.
When a spelling falls into disuse somewhere and is replaced, it becomes a historical spelling. Is it technically "valid?" Is it still "correct?"
The answer is no one gives a shit what you mean by the word "valid" or "correct," it all depends on where you use it.
If someone thinks you're an idiot for saying "eachother" on 4chan, then you can choose to make that your problem, or you can keep using "eachother" and ignore them. It's your call.
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>>134775763
Why are you two still arguing with eachother?
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>>134775763
I'm a non native English speaker and the other day I noticed that my Australian spell checker marked anymore as wrong while my American spell checker marked it as correct. What do you do then? Is anymore wrong or correct?

By the way, I learned British English and just assume the Australian one is identical but I've mainly been reading American my whole life. Should I consider it a mistake?
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>>134775250
I'm still not exactly understanding the 分, from your explanations I'm getting that it kind of connects the 2 bits with a "because of that part" or something along those lines
It's still somewhat confusing, I looked it up on DOJG but it only has the definitions related to portions etc
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>>134775999
You'll just have to get a feel for it, really. Don't think about it too hard and just move on with your studies, you'll eventually bump into it again someday in a different circumstance and might understand it then.
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>>134775943
those are just regional differences
"defence" is right if you're in the UK
"defense" is right if you're in America

there are plenty of those; color/colour, aluminum/aluminium, etc.
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>>134775763
>That's how spelling works. It's why the word is described as nonstandard.
Look. This isn't merging an article into its phrase like "alot". This isn't a spelling mistake like "fagot". This is merging a set phrase into a compound word.

Your perspective is invalid.

>When a spelling falls into disuse somewhere and is replaced, it becomes a historical spelling. Is it technically "valid?" Is it still "correct?"

Yes, it is, in fact, still valid.

>If someone thinks you're an idiot for saying "eachother" on 4chan, then you can choose to make that your problem, or you can keep using "eachother" and ignore them. It's your call.

Good thing that didn't happen because I never used "eachother" in text.
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>>134776117
Again,
That's how spelling works. It's why the word is described as nonstandard.

This is not "my perspective," it is literally the definition of nonstandard.

Yes, it is great that no one thinks you are an idiot.
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i'm blasting this streamer with example sentances from core 2k and he's taking them seriously. we've been having a "conversation" like that.
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Is there any benefit to only using a monolingual dictionary to learn words?
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>>134776196
"Nonstandard" does not mean "wrong". "Wrong" means "wrong". You are using the fact that wrong spellings like "alot" and "fagot" are nonstandard to treat nonstandard spellings like they are wrong.

This spelling is in a dictionary. It is recognized. It is valid. Get over it.
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>>134776205
>sentances
Why is /DJT/ so fucking stupid?
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>>134775999
That ~分 is kind of similar to ~ほど. Or ~分だけ if you're more familiar with that.
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>>134776244
You don't have to read JMdict definitions
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>>134776244
You get the actual definition and not the best approximation.
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>>134776244
monolingual dictionaries are usually much more accurate than edict/jmdict are.
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>>134776283
Why are you so stupid?
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>>134776292
jmdict is the best tho
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>>134776357
kill yourself
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>>134776283
Everyone here is secretly a mexican/third worlder looking to better their lot in life with a new skill
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>>134774592
A lot of them come in transitive/intransitive pairs, but it's not rule that every verb must do so. The majority probably doesn't, but the most common ones often do. You've probably picked up on some patterns to them, for example:

Pattern A
(Transitive / Intransitive)
きめる / きまる
あげる / あがる
すえる / すわる

Pattern B
(Transitive / Intransitive)
まわす / まわる
のこす / のこる
おこす / おこる

And while they're good for memorizing (almost 2 words for the price of 1), they're not good predictors. To begin with, you have slight alterations in the pattern, for example, おえる / おわる (not おある) and おとす / おちる (おとる exists, but it means something different).

In the end, they're just nice patterns, not rules. For instance, you have たべる but not たばる, as well as ただす but no ただる.

You also have things like the pair はいる/いれる which seems to be a complete irregular.
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>>134776441
The thing I'm most mad about is that people who define the intransitive ones don't state whether the subject is doing it to itself or whether it's being done externally.
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>>134776272
I already told you I'm not going to indulge you in arguing over the definition of the word "valid" in the context of word spellings, that's not what I was trying to do

Arguing over definitions is a colossal waste of time and you just brought us full circle. >>134773811

No one should be surprised when a pedant corrects them for using a proscribed and nonstandard term. Hurling shit back at the pedant makes you look just as pedantic.
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>>134776441
What the fuck I don't understand any of this.
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>>134776539
>I already told you I'm not going to indulge you in arguing over the definition of the word "valid" in the context of word spellings, that's not what I was trying to do.
Good thing you kept repeating how spelling standardization worked like it was meaningful!
>No one should be surprised when a pedant corrects them for using a proscribed and nonstandard term.
I will repeat. I did not this "proscribed". term. I'm raging at you for defending making fun of *someone else* that did something that's not wrong. I have every right to do this; even more right than for you to make fun of this person in the first place. It's up to you whether you're going to ignorantly defend yourself to the death or fuck off.
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>>134776605
>今日の予定を決めた
I decided today's plans.
>今日の予定が決まった
Today's plans have been decided.
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>>134776496
It's typically the former. The latter would be expressed by the transitive verb in the passive form.

Transitive: きめる - to decide
Intransitive: きまる - to be decided (meaning the subject of the verb is going out of the state of not being decided and into the state of being decided)
Transitive in the passive form: きめられる - to be decided (meaning somebody decides something and the subject of the verb is this something)
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>>134776748
Are the pairs a relic of an old "self passive" verb form of some kind?
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>>134776732
So intransitive verbs are sort of used to describe something's state?
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>>134776732
poof
that's the sound of all my confidence in japanese disappearing
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>>134776817
I have no fucking clue how they came about really. I don't even know old this verb pairing feature of the language is. It makes sense for these "dual verbs" to develop in phonetically similar pairs like that to me, so I'm satisfied with that.

I do remember reading somewhere that there is some reason relating to old Japanese 為(す)for verbs ending in す to always be transitive. Not sure if here are any exceptions to that rule though. I can't think of any at least.
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>>134777099
>I don't even know old this verb pairing feature of the language is
how old*
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>>134776616
Standardization is meaningful and objective.

If you think nonstandard != wrong, then fucking good for you, you personally managed to redefine what a word means to yourself.

The thing is a simple greentext of
>eachother
does not imply "nonstandard," it does not imply "not valid," it does not imply anything other than a snide chuckle at the guy who said "eachother."

I'm not going to deny there's something wrong with me for sitting here defending pedants with you but there's definitely something wrong with you as well if you take time out of your day to frantically cover for >>134772494
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>>134777009
Sure.

The technical difference between transitive verbs and intransitive verbs is the transitive verbs can take a "direct object". An object is when the actor is acting on something. "I swing a sword". Swing here is transitive. "A sword" is the direct object, because I'm swinging that sword.

"The monster died". "Died" is an intransitive verb here, describing the state of the subject, which is "the monster".

"I went to the village". "Went" is acting intransitively here, but it's describing something that the subject, "I", is doing. Here, the subject is an "actor". "I" did the action of "going", and that action of going depends on or affects "the village", which is the indirect object.
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>>134777058
You shouldn't have much confidence if you're still not clear on the transitive/intransitive difference. If you use rikaichan then v1,vt are verbs that take a direct object, and v5(r),vi are verbs that take indirect objects.
vt: verb trainsitive
vi: verb intransitive
v1: 一段動詞
v5: 五段動詞
v5r: same as v5 but the ~る ending conjugates off.
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>>134777009
Try seeing the patterns here.
>田中くんを起こした
I woke up Tanaka-kun.
>田中くんが起きた
Tanaka-kun woke up

It's worth to mention by the way, that transitive and intransitive verbs in japanese are named respectively 他動詞 and 自動詞. The first one means it's a verb that depends on other things, hence the 他, while the latter is self-sufficient hence the 自. So there needs to be someone to wake up Tanaka-kun (transitive), but Tanaka-kun waking up by himself is intransitive.

>>134777058
You must've just started, that example was really elementary, you'll get there, but you can't fucking give up at the slightest sign of challenge!
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頭を振る

Did you read it correctly?
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>>134777219
>Standardization is meaningful and objective.

That's why multiple standards exist, right?

If standardization were objective then it would be wrong to split infinitives. There exists a standard which recognizes "eachother", therefore it is real within areas that do not proscribe it. Guess where you are?

Perhaps you subscribe to linguistic objectivism, in which case this conversation has no purpose.

If standardization were holy then language would literally never change, except in accent only.

>does not imply "nonstandard," it does not imply "not valid," it does not imply anything other than a snide chuckle at the guy who said "eachother."

If you were to not disagree with what I'm saying why would you argue with me?

>I'm not going to deny there's something wrong with me for sitting here defending pedants with you but there's definitely something wrong with you as well

Of course, but if this is just turning into an endurance contest, I have no more interest.

>if you take time out of your day to frantically cover for >>134772494

I'm defending >>134772279 , not >>134772494 .
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>>134777439
No, I read it as かしらのシンる.
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Reminder not to use Wanikani unless you somehow have a reason to need it in particular to the absolute exclusion of other systems.

>Contains literally wrong information
>Artificially limits your progress
>Locked in to it, can't export your scheduling information
>Tells you whether you got something right, have to go outside the normal system to make "dad" a synonym for "father"
>Objectively inferior scheduling system to Anki's
>Only customization is browser mods like scriptish
>Eventually ends and you're fucked if you want more content
>Artificially limits your speed, even if you go /as fast as possible/ you can only go as fast as a /normal/ anki user
>Costs money
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>>134777404
>>134777312
Thanks. That seems simple enough.
How did you go about learning the two different forms for each verb that has one? Did it just come naturally to you through reading?
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>>134777329
>>134777404
Nah, I'm over a year in and never cared about transitive/intransitive. I know the difference but I never bothered to pay attention to which verbs are which.
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>>134777694
It doesn't matter until you start writing yourself, then you're going to get a lot of ん?'s if you fuck it up.
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>>134777672
I barely read, it's something I should do more often. I've been studying japanese for over 4 years and can already easily pass JLPT's N2, but whenever I try reading a text that has more unknown kanji than I can handle (And I already know about 1700) my energy is drained from me and I drop it.
I'm reading Jojo part 5 right now and only do a couple pages a day because I get tired. Maybe if I read more I could avoid some dumb mistakes I usually make when producing text.

To answer your question, it only came naturally after I studied it for a while. I also lived in Japan for a year during an exchange program during high school and had classes there.
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>>134777868
>I'm reading Jojo part 5 right now and only do a couple pages a day
I don't blame you.
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>>134777868
>4 years
>only know 1700 kanji
I'd say you belong on Reddit, but they'd probably treat you like a fucking king.
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>>134778069
I've been pretty passive about studying in the past couple of years. I am aware that I should be way farther ahead but I just can't be assed to sit down and properly study. This year has been pretty hectic and I'm still pretty exhausted from all the effort I had to make during the first half. I'll probably pick it up again seriously next year.
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>>134778069
Hail to the king, baby.
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>>134777868
Beginner question, but when people say 'unknown kanji' in this sort of context, do they really mean 'unknown vocab'?
I'm struggling to comprehend the use of learning individual kanji outside of understanding poetic little nuances of the language.
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>>134778296
they mean vocabulary containing kanji they don't know you absolute buffoon
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>>134778296
Well, unknown kanji many times implies unknown vocabulary, but it's important to study individual kanji as well. You don't have to go over all of them, of course. Going through the Nihongo-so matome kanji books would give you a good idea how to study kanji on their own my opinion.
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>>134778296
Japan doesn't actually have a lot of sounds, so they have a lot of "their, they're, there" time situations. They could see the kanji and know the meaning, but not how to say it, or the opposite.
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>>134778397
>but it's important to study individual kanji as well
But why?
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>>134778069
If he had just learned at a rate of 5 kanji per day, he'd be at 7000 kanji.
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I've been studying on and off for some years without any real progress most of the time and that got me sort of down. Then I played Danganronpa 2 right to the very end on my PSP and didn't have a really hard time with it. Even got some really obscure references here and there. Sat for N3 some weeks ago and can't say I did well, but maybe I passed?

I'm so confused about my level. I don't even know where to go next, what textbook to use or anything, and I've learned so much passively. Feels weird, man.
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>>134778484
It's something you'll come to learn with time.
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>>134778526
How mysterious.
Should I have a kanji anki deck going alongside my vocabulary deck?
I'm assuming it's better to learn individual kanji before learning the vocab the kanji is used in (although I'm not too sure why).
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I don't know about you fags but I don't learn kanji individually. When I say I know a kanji it's because I know how to pronounce it and I get a meaning from the words it's in.

I've never not known how to pronounce 食 when I've seen it for example but maybe it has one obscure pronunciation.
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>>134778624
I don't think Anki is the best way to learn individual kanji, to be honest. Try getting one of the Nihongo so-matome books online, they're pretty good. You should be able to pirate them pretty easily.
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>>134778484
Learning the meaning and nuance of individual kanji will help you intuitively know the meaning of many jukugo as you start reading.
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>>134778624
Really depends on how you learned.
I said it will come with time because while a vocab only will doubtlessly give you proficiency, you'll start to notice a lot of gaps and flaws and thereupon realize the benefits of kanji study
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>>134778484
It isn't that comes automatically when studying vocab those kanji are used in. The only exception are kanji that are words in and of themselves like 又、訳 etc.
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>there people here who actually don't study kanji individually

This is what happens when people fall for the Core6k meme.
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>>134779483
why not study kanji as you go through core?
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There are people here who actually fell for the "kanji" meme and actually spend hours every day studying. Let that sink in for a moment.
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>>134779483
>>134779579
Get a room and fuck already.

The "there is only one study method that is good" meme is the worst. Both are fine depending on what you want from the language and what your weak points are.
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Word of the day: 朝マラの立たぬ男に金貸すな
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Daily reminder that there are people who actually believe in the 'japanese' meme and are studying rigorously instead of watching anime.
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>>134779711
>Tfw i can see myself
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>>134779676
wtfkek
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I'm browsing posts on スカイプちゃんねる and I keep seeing "固定". From the context of the posts, I think it's being used to infer that the poster is looking for "fixed friends", AKA people that will stick around. Can someone confirm this?

Example post attached.
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>ド変態!
What does the ド do there? I keep seeing it, I don't get it
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>>134779913

We've both learned something new.
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>>134779913
Nothing much, just adds emphasis. Like REALLY perverted.
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>>134779741
Nice.
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>>134779830
It's sex. They're looking for sex.
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>>134779711
So basically.

1) People who already have high levels of kanji knowledge don't memorize kanji because they don't need to
2) Outside of that bracket, memorizing kanji is associated with medial skill levels; not-memorizing kanji has a higher frequency of people with very few and very much kanji knowledge.
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>>134753559
The DoJG deck has been updated.
Now contains key and example sentence labels for both Basic and Intermediate cards. Fixed a few minor markup errors obscuring a couple of examples along the way.
Mega link now contains a seperate folder for the deck. There is a media and non media version (no concept images) and a txt and csv version for those after the data to update their decks that way.
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>>134780376
No one cares desu.
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>>134780476
I care, anon.
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>>134780376
I will use this opportunity to personally fix the format.
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>>134780376
Thanks for this. Just started the intermediate part of the deck (a mere 3 cards in) so I'll replace it before continuing.
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>>134780529
What needs fixing? There is nothing in the feedback for the deck.
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>>134780586
There's been lots of discussion on it
>>134728873
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>>134780586
Its recognition card type is actually an exposure card format.
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>>134780600
Please use the Public QC link on the DJT landing page and express isssues and suggestion via the Public QC Form Link.
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>>134780716
I decline. Not to be rude or anything but like I said I will just fix it myself. I do not expect this particular advice to change anything and so I will be the change I want to see in the world.
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>>134779913
弩級の変態
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>>134779830
Your interpretation seems right. 固定さん募集
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Hi DJT.
Was doing a quick QC pass over a chapter of manga I'm working on when I came across a line that sounded out of place/strange, so I decided to take a look back at the RAW (I don't know a moon at all, just the typesetter here, and the TL was anon in the first place).

Context is the older man is known for being sexually active, he's drunk and joking to some old folks at a company party. The shorthaired girl is not his actual child. The woman is someone he's rumored to have had relations with at some point.

The line that doesn't sound right is the third in the first panel, "kakushiko" (かくし子 → "Nobody knows this secret").
Another thing is the TL liked to translate/omit honorifics (which I dislike, but whatever), and I'm not sure if "obaa-chan" is done correctly here - it probably doesn't matter as much though.
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>>134780376
Is there a reason why when I import the text file, it adds some duplicates despite the first field being a match according to the browse menu (grammatical concept highlighted as red)?
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>tfw format is difficult as fuck to navigate
I'm genuinely impressed with how much work went into the format. Anyway, the fixed version looks like pic related, it was a simple fix. I really wanted to align all the text in the middle because having it on the left is pretty disconcerting but I know 0 html/css so even that is pretty difficult. I'm satisfied with this fix though.
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If you don't already have a gun, buy a gun!
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>>134763899
savage
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>>134780973
>The line that doesn't sound right is the third in the first panel, "kakushiko" (かくし子 → "Nobody knows this secret").
The translation is awkward, but it's hard to put into english anyways.

The translator thinks that the prefix is 隠し. As for whether that is correct, I don't know. As for whether the rest of the TL is correct, I don't know. More context as comic panels would certainly help.

>Another thing is the TL liked to translate/omit honorifics (which I dislike, but whatever)
That's normal.

>Context is the older man is known for being sexually active, he's drunk and joking to some old folks at a company party. The shorthaired girl is not his actual child. The woman is someone he's rumored to have had relations with at some point.
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>>134781111
>As for whether the rest of the TL is correct, I don't know
iktf, those two manga images are harder than novels wtf
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>>134780973
Translations are for plebs anyway, it hardly matters.

>>134781111
It's pretty obviously 隠し. What else could it possibly be? Realistically, I mean, the other choices are shit like 各死.
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>>134781111
I think the issue the other guy had is that 隠し子 means illegitimate child.
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>>134781008
Nevermind, I found where the duplicates are coming from. Posting here for others if they have the same problem:

Backup your deck before updating.

Update your deck (import the txt, select the correct card type / make sure the fields match up, allow html, update when first field matches, hit okay).

Go to the deck in browse.

Hit Edit (top left) -> Find Duplicates -> grammatical concept -> Search

Take note of the ones it lists and then delete the deck / undo the changes it did and restore the deck to how it was before you updated it.

For each card in the list, select the grammatical concept field, click the dropdown to the top right of the fields list, click "edit HTML", and replace " " with a regular space.
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>>134780973
It definitely means illegitimate child. I'm 99% sure of that.

And in the next panel the mother or woman whoever that is should be saying "You can't just say it out like that!"
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>>134755497
Ah, that was a bit difficult for me. I had to look up about 25 words during the whole video. At least the grammar was easy enough. I'm at N3 level. How do you study, personally? How long have you been studying?
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>>134781478
Stop talking if you have no fucking clue what you're on about.

She's saying "you're saying irresponsible things again!", "stop talking bullshit!" in Commie speak, in what fucking world does 適当 have a meaning even close to what you're saying?
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>>134781692
Whoops, I thought that he was actually serious.
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>>134781739
That wouldn't make an impact. You're just making shit up, no amount of context could salvage that.
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>>134781111
>>134781187
>>134781201
>>134781478
>>134781692
Typesetter here again, I was checking it against dictionaries earlier, 隠し子 was the thing that came up, and I suppose that'd change the line somewhat. Thanks.
As for the woman's line, I'm 100% certain she's calling him out on bullshit, yeah.

As for more context, have these pages. I'm not asking for a full translation (not the place to be doing so), but I'll post these pages that talk about the man a bit more. The woman almost has no real role, so I'm struggling to see if she's related to the girl (by blood) in any way, but that's irrelevant at this point.
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>>134781823
Okay senpai you're real fucking good at Japanese are you fucking happy now you piece of shit?
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>>134780757
Okay but if you have any changes you feel others would benefit, please do not hesitate to add them to the public QC spreadsheet. It was created for that purpose.

>>134781071
If you upload your layout as text with clearly labelled front, styling, and back templates for the card type to pastebin they can be uploaded along with images so users can simply copy/paste the layout if they prefer that.
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>>134781371
Not sure how to remove those little automated markup duplicates but thank you for posting that. I'll save it and upload as a readme txt for people having similar issues.
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>>134781976
I found another duplicate using the volume and page number, so make a note to check other fields too.

I'm not sure how to check what cards were added though, because it still says some new cards were added after fixing all of the duplicates.
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>>134781905
I will upload my format to mega.co.nz and link it to people when recommending the deck.
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>>134780716
I guess I'll add "Misc" as options for volume & page number so people can make general feedback / suggestions without selecting random shit and submitting feedback that has nothing to do with those cards.
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>>134782125
Now the hope is that people use it isn't of using the thread to express complaints with no real intention to formalize the issue.
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Yo maybe someone can help here.
In the phrase
えらく感じる
What does the eraku mean? Jisho has nothing.
Context: A guy is rubbing a girls anus
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>>134782259
偉く感じだ
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>>134782259
You don't know what an adverb is?
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>>134782259
Feels good man.
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http://www.mediafire.com/folder/iqyc6lwo11d2d

Authors:
Ishiko Junzou / 石子順造
Kaiji Jun / 梶井純
Kikuchi Asajirou / 菊地浅次郎
Gondou Susumu / 権藤晋

Artists discussed:
Tezuka Osamu / 手塚治虫
Shirato Sanpei / 白土三平
Ishinomori Shotaro (Ishimori Shotaro) / 石ノ森章太郎
Mizuki Shigeru / 水木 しげる
Tsuge Yoshiharu / つげ義春
Saito Takao / さいとうたかを
Nagashima Shinji / 永島慎二
HIRATA Hiroshi / 平田弘史
TAKITA Yuu / 滝田ゆう
Tanaka Teruo 棚下照生 (たなか てるお)
HAYASHI Seiichi / 林静一
Tsuge Tadao / つげ忠男
Sasaki Maki / 佐々木マキ
and then some essays:

Discussion on the state of affairs, Kid’s Manga The Collapse and Transformation of Idealism
Gekiga The Hell of Post War Democracy
Nonsense Manga, Why did Manga move towards nonsense
Ero-guro manga, the desires that lurk in savagery
Extra: history of post war manga by year
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Holy shit. I have no idea how that clusterfuck of a format came into being. Literally half of the stuff there didn't even do anything, and most of the rest just were annoying and prevented centering text. It took almost a full hour of wrangling just to center everything. Well, at least that's over. It's weird to me how the original deck, with a format with 14 lines, is so objectively superior to a format with close to 300.

Anyway, pic related is what I ended up with. It's not exactly pretty (tiny embedded junk like the circled 下 and (ks) stuff is just so annoying) but it's a format I can reccomend to beginners without worrying about "exposure" nonsense or what have you. What do you think, everyone?

https://mega.nz/#!jwRSzKpI!RHN3HOrSpKWZZ_fcADLQy__qF8G-IBI48xE8f5bn2cY

By the way, I'd like once again to express deep thanks to the people working on the DOJG deck, if I sound frustrated it's because the format (not the group) code was a humongous pain in the ass. Also, anon who gave me his format code to use, it just did not work with this version of the deck for whatever reason.
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>>134782411
Thanks anon.
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>>134782318
That was my guess.
Thanks anon.
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kanji of the year is 安
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You know, I've never contributed a single positive thing to any of these threads. Literally all I do is shitpost, do my best to instigate flamewars over dumb shit like RTK vs. core, and post purposely misleading advice in an attempt to trip up newbies.
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>>134782553
I prefer left aligned sentences and mouseover translations (it's easy to unintentionally read the translations and ruin the point of using the example sentences to see if you understand them without aid from the translation). Already said this last thread (or the thread before, I don't remember), but I have mine setup like pic related. Sentences show translations on mouseover and the formation/usage are on the back (but above the splitter so it scrolls below them since that's what I was doing anyways and allows me to only look at them if I'm having trouble).
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>>134782411
maybe someday I will be able good enough to read at this level
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>>134782713
Well thanks for coming clean and _contributing_ that anon.
Could this be your first meaningful co