Will Shirazu get the Volume 6 cover?
Okay I am the 'newfag' guy, I just want to reintroduce my self (even if I am anonymous haha) I hop around from webshite to website just looking for things to do, I found this place and the thread image looked cool so I click onto it.
Thats when everything turned a mess and you all know what happened then. dot dot
Okay, so lets read some manga people.
This is bait?
If not, lurkmoar, 4chan has a writing etiquette which borders on sociopathy. Your post is like the distilled essence of newfaggotry, and that will only earn you ridicule here.
Jesus Christ I am convinced now he is trolling. See >>134213775
There's a trend going on here: characters with metals in their names always come back as half-ghouls
I don't know if Ishida will break the trend here but should something happen,you heard it here first
I'm starting to think Suzuya will be the one to finish Eto off after she runs away weakened from getting rekt in a fight with someone else. I can't see him not getting his revenge for Shinohara in one way or another.
Kaneki had already stopped working at Anteiku at the time of the Aogiri raid, anon, and it would take a pretty considerable leap of logic to look at several hundred Ghouls, and connect only two of them.
Keep in mind V would also know that, despite Kuzen and Kaneki being related, the two had gone separate ways. Kaneki was flirting with the idea of returning to Anteiku when the CCG struck.
If CCG connected Owl and Kaneki they would have prepared for Kaneki in the raid, I'd post the page but Washuu thinks something to the effect of "He shouldn't be here!" when Kaneki shows up.
Ishida didn't forget anything, that you somehow missed the inplicit connection between V and CCG implies you've been speedreading.
Can we just get over this, I said I'm sorry, just stop already.
I'm not trolling, if I was trolling I'd first look up more about the manga so I can find the fandoms berserk buttons like say 'x' died and I poke fun at them or whatever but still I am learning so maybe I'll come back and troll here for real some day but for now you'll just have to put up with me.
One more question, is all of 4chan like this all the time or is it just here? I mean I've look (or lurked) in a few threads but some people seem nicer than others
I'm not saying like you can't have disagreements at all but if some doesn't like say when someone opens the door, gets on the floor and everyone starts walking the dinosaur then what is the problem? This thread can be cool when it wan'ts to be :)
I mean that tumblr is pretty sensitive about calling Mutsuki with a male pronoun so if she somehow happens to drop this later in the manga to start a normal relationship with Urie aknowledging that it was a retarded thing, I'm pretty sure the majority tumblr would get mad about it
No they wouldn't be. They were still real.
Oh, I see. We'll have to wait and see I guess but they shouldn't be assmad in the first place. Not like Tooru wants to be a boy and have a penis, she's just scared of being seen as a girl. The only reason she crossdresses is her own insecurity, it would be an empowering moment if she drops this I think. Tumblr surely would respect and see that, wouldn't they?
To be honest, I really don't, the scene made me cry bitch mantears but Sharkbro had shittons of development and potential interactions left in him.
Like his burgeoning awareness of Haise's past as Kaneki, the guy was being used as a narrative lense into Haise's life externally throughout the entirety of :Re.
He was literally the last character I expected to die, while his death would have huge impact- who would replace him?
Look, I understand it's sad and tragic as hell that Shirazu is dead, but let the guy at least have the sweet release of death rather than whatever fate worse than death that Eto and Kanou would do to him.
I get what you're saying story-wise, it would be a cheap copout, but the impact it had on Urie and Saiko was still real. They're changed forever, well maybe that change would be even more profound if Sharkie stayed ded but still.
I see your point, but what other roles Shirazu have left in the story? He's the most developed Quinx so far. He overcame his trauma and finally brought his squad together. Bringing him back from the dead, as part of the CCG at least, would serve no purpose at all.
>they shouldn't be assmad in the first place
They've insisted that she's trans since the flashback of her talking to the CCG recruiters. At least a few people have said that they'll drop the manga if she turns out not to be trans. They feel they're loosing their representation if she turns out not to be trans. This could turn out like when Ishida posted the image of Mutsuki with lighter toned skin than they were expecting.
Eto is not even trying, same as Kaneki.
Eto is in a kakuja that doesn't require her to use her own power(like a mecha). She's just ate too much ghouls in result made her imbalanced kakuja.
Eto needs to fight Kaneki without her kakuja which is what happening next chaper, I guess
And I hope he recognizes her as Takatsuki, if not I'm dropping it
You're talking about Nuts, right? Sharkbro had issues before she came into the picture; a lack of self-confidence and a lot of baggage from what his father did and said.
Total narrative closer would probably be Shirazu stepping up to the plate as a real, confident authority figure. We know that he's a good leader, but he doesn't - and that's something that could be worked on. Complicated moral bullshit and decision-making post-OEG transformation might be just what he needs.
You could call him complete as he is, because he definitely has gotten more development than any other Q, but saying that his continued existence would "serve no purpose at all" doesn't feel right.
Not same anon but there's plenty of characters right now that serve no purpose at the moment like Nishiki, Juuzou, Banjou, or fuckin Touka, but they're are still around until Ishida decides to make use of them again. Being fully developed doesn't have to equal death.
A boy falls in love with a ghoul.
Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.
Depends on the special class, the technical definition is that an S class Ghoul is one that an Special Class investigator can solo.
An SS class is a ghoul that requires multiple special classes to take down. Hence why Kaneki was upgraded when he started kicking Shinomara's face in back at Kanou's lab.
An SSS is basically a ghoul that requires Arima to stand any chance of being defeated.
>Eto gets out of her shell
>her bandages are already off
>Kaneki has to fight a naked Eto
What caused the success rate of creating one-eyes to increase?
Kaneki was the first real success and now we've got loads of one-eyes mucking around, with two different organisations producing them. Have I missed something?
>An SSS is basically a ghoul that requires Arima to stand any chance of being defeated.
But Shinohara, Ui, Juuzou, Houji, and Kuroiwa were able to handle Yoshimura, who was also rated SSS. They don't need Arima all the time if they're properly prepared.
Kanou said he has a success rate of about 0.0025% with his Half-Ghouls, he's killed thousands with only 5 survivors, and three of those are considered failures.
The Quinxes aren't half-ghouls, they are humans with Quinques built into them, and even then they have to pass an aptitude test.
I don't know how great the testing pool was, but only 4 were deemed fit for the operation.
6 passed the aptitude test, but for some reason those 4 are the only ones who underwent the operation. The other 2 may have just chosen not to undergo the operation, or maybe the CCG just wanted to start off with 4.
That's only when Kaneki lived as Haise and was given suppresants. We have yet to see what Kaneki's RC is post-awakening. It may stay low if he chooses not to leave the CCG for a while.
We don't know what Kaneki's diet has really consisted of at CCG. I think the only time we've seen him eat something is when he gnawed off Takizawa's ear.
Takizawa is probably eating prime Ghoul meat every day, Kaneki is given RC suppressants whenever his sanity is suspect.
No. This 'Yami Kaneki' will most likely get the new cover.
>being this retarded
Shirazu is totally dead. Get the fuck over it.
If anything, CCG will experiment with his corpse (some shit about the first Quinx with all his frames being removed or whether his kakuhou box can be used again) then Urine will get mad and finally realize that they are only CCG guinea pigs.
We don't know. And you should stop talking bullshit because people will start spouting headcanons and think their headcanons are facts.
You're forgetting they weren't alone, the Manager killed almost all of the initial Investigator squads that accompanied him.
That's the technical definition given in the manga, and special class investigators aren't all created equal. Like I imagine Matsuri is probably a bit of a pushover compared to most special classes.
Suzuya and Arima, likewise, are abnormal.
I do think its important to seperate the SS rate Ghouls.
The top tier SS like Kaneki/Shachi would definitely need Special Class + support. Even someone like Suzuya couldn't handle them one on one.
The solid SS tier like Ayato/Irimi can be handled one on one by most of the Special Class we know.
Suzuya, and Arima are not emblematic of regular Special classes.
Same goes for Kaneki and to some extent the Qs, I'd argue.
Part of the problem is this series is focusing a lot on the exceptions, and those that aren't the exceptions (like the lip dude) get killed off with relative frequency.
>People cheering on Kaneki for fighting Eto
>They don't realize how fucked he is right now
There's literally no way Kaneki gets out of this in good graces.
Ways this can play out:
1. Kaneki stays with the CCG, kills his best friends Tsukiyama and Hinami for the sake of sucking up to Arima and keeps living as an investigator (unlikely)
2. Kaneki kills Eto, meets Washuu and his crew at the top of the building, Washuu demands he finish of Tsukiyama, he most likely would refuse even though Washuu would never grant him ownership rights. This leads to Kaneki betraying the CCG and trying to escape with Tsukiyama and Kanae (unlikely)
3. Kaneki and Eto don't finish fighting, Eto escapes and the situation is the same as above with Kaneki having to leave the CCG to save Tsukiyama
4. Eto answers Kaneki about "Why he should be saving her" by explaining that he's in no position to be saving anybody, but that he needs to be saved. He'd better get down on his hands and knees to beg her to help him escape or at least take Tsukiyama away or something. No matter what he does he's fucked, he really shouldn't be fighting Eto as an enemy right now if she can help him escape the situation without taking the blame I.E being "kidnapped" or something.
I thought it was cool how they showed Urie's development in that hecares more about his squad (at least Sharkbro) then he does about credit now. And credit meant fucking everything to him.
Matsuri's callous disregard for the death around kind of cinched it too, hopefuply we see an Urie appreciative of Sasaki in the future.
Not that the Sasaki he knew is really around, anymore.
I wonder how Kaneki would react when he finds out, would he lash out against the person who gave the order to split Ui and the Qs up to go back and handle Noro- a Ghoul with effectively no agency of her own?
Who gave that order again?
You do realize Kaneki at the end of TG likely had an RC count of at least 8000+ right? He wouldn't have been able to manifest his final attack against Arima otherwise, I'm pretty sure.
>4. Eto answers Kaneki about "Why he should be saving her" by explaining that he's in no position to be saving anybody, but that he needs to be saved. He'd better get down on his hands and knees to beg her to help him escape or at least take Tsukiyama away or something. No matter what he does he's fucked, he really shouldn't be fighting Eto as an enemy right now if she can help him escape the situation without taking the blame I.E being "kidnapped" or something.
Rememberz Ui and Matsuri don't see eye to eye, Matsuri even fantasizes about Ui being killed.
If Kaneki presses it, it's entirely within his right to claim Tsukiyama with ownership rights, Matsuri has no ability to deny him that. Even Arima acquiesced when he took reins over Hinami.
Matsuri might press it, but I could see Ui backing Kaneki up simply because Hairu is dead and he wants to spite the callous fucker responsible for organizing the bloodbath of an operation.
Fuck off. He paired the Quinx with Ito's squad. Thats a big fucking team. Ui was fair as fuck. Its not like he knew fucking Noro of all Ghouls would be there with his retarded regeneration.
Isn't Ui the main boss of this operation/the direct commander of Haise and co? Him and Matsuri are of the same rank I believe, I doubt Matsuri can overrule Ui if the latter decides to give Kaneki ownership rights.
Plus, you know, killing off Tsukiyama when they can safely take him to Cochlea is just really fucking retarded even from the CCG's perspective. He could have info that his father doesn't, or could use him as a bargaining chip to get his father to talk.
All Kaneki has to do is say he'd like ownership rights over Tsukiyama to question him over the partnership between them and Aogiri and that he'd took an interest in his kagune.
It was Sasaki's own fault. He wanted to advance quickly to get to Tsukiyama fast so he would tell him about his past.
Yes, he was ordered to go to the roof on his own but he pressed for it and rushed through to the top levels of the building with the quinx, leaving Shirazu who was obviously hesitant and uncomfortable hanging on his own with the command of the Qs squad.
Of course objectively he's not really to blame but we all know how much he loves suffering so I see him blaming himself a bit.
He lost his main weapon so he had to resort to what he had left at his disposal. And it's not like he wasn't trying. They took a lot more pain then what a average ghoul could.
They're both special class but I thought Matsuri was in charge of the entire operation as a whole, that's why he was safe in his helicopter watching everything while Koori was on the ground doing grunt work with everyone else. Also it was mentioned that "Haise" had direct orders to kill Tsukiyama, but he lied to Koori and told him he hadn't found him yet. If Koori wanted him to kill Tsukiyama, there's no way in hell Matsuri is going to feel compassion and let him be spared.
He has direct orders to eliminate him though, he just lied and said he didn't find him yet.
What else could possibly happen though? I can't see Kaneki walking away as friends with the CCG after all this. Plus he's still in trouble to lying to Ui and not reporting any of the shit going on at the roof to anyone. That looks sketch alone.
What I'm curious about is that Matsuri wanted someone killed before Ui, I immediately think of Haise/Kaneki because I'm not sure who else he would have been considering a threat.
If Matsuri beats the stairs while Ui is getting jobbed, would he attempt to kill what appears to be a severely beaten and worn out Sasaki missing an arm? Maybe chalk it up to Sasaki going berserk, had to be taken down.
Or would Ui?
What would either one do if they happened across the other trying to kill 'Haise'?
I think he had an inkling. I just reread the chapter, he was clearly pressing for the top in an unusually aggressive manner. Why else would he do that? Not like he was obsessed with credit like Urie.
Ui is suspicious of Haise because he doesn't trust him and is afraid that he'll lose control. He doesn't have a personal problem with him though. He will obviously help him out.
No, but he has no authority to do that. Wishful thinking on Haise/Kaneki's part.
It's up to Ui and Matsuri who both fucking hate Kaneki's guts and probably want him dead. Why would they ever grant him that? Arima isn't there to cover for him now.
Why do those retarded investigators (Urie, Matsuri, Ui) fight about and for credit so much? That mindset can get them into tricky situations. What do they gain other than money, promotions, prestige and awards?
Well I guess I answered my own question but it's a retarded mindset to have in battle.
>What else could possibly happen though? I can't see Kaneki walking away as friends with the CCG after all this. Plus he's still in trouble to lying to Ui and not reporting any of the shit going on at the roof to anyone. That looks sketch alone
Who would rat Kaneki out, Tsukiyama? There would be absolutely no reason for Ui to figure that out.
Not only that, but if the translations are correct than Haise was very technically telling the truth. He said "I have not confirmed the appearance of Tsukiyama's son as of yet.", which he hadn't. Tsukiyama could be a random ghoul worker for all Haise had confirmed.
Why'd he spare Amon again? He was his fav or something or was it just a coincidence he was caught in the act before starting to snack on Amon?
Need to reread part 1 I feel like I've forgotten everything by now.
>Why'd he spare Amon again? He was his fav or something or was it just a coincidence he was caught in the act before starting to snack on Amon?
It's unclear, it may have been his goal to eat amon at last/later, but it's implied that he actually cared about Amon, just like Amon cared about him although they are a Ghoul and a Human. There's also the possibility that the CCG got him before he could eat Amon.
Except he does, all Investigators get ownership rights over ghouls they capture. Their superiors can't just arbitrarily decide that their spoils should be killed. That's why I pointed out the scenario where Arima backed down when Haise took ownership rights over Hinami.
It would be like in the British Navy if a captain ordered his first mate to burn the ship he captured. There would be mutiny.
They're called "rights" for a reason.
>When has Ui ever fought for credit?
He envys Haise and him possibly surpassing Ui. He might not focus especially on getting credit every mission, but he sure as fuck cares about Ranks.
This is bait right? Nobody's THIS new, holy shit. This almost sounds genuine.
Nice fanfic. He has never shown to be jealous about Arima, thats some retarded tumblr shit you guys came up with.
Dude gets enough attention from Arima anyways. Who was it he went to see before the operation started telling him to be careful?
There was three, can't tell you the chapters though. One was when he saved Saiko, one when he was with one of the twins and one where he stands atop a building (not sure if that was in the same chapter as the one he saved Saiko in).
How is he overrated? He's a prodigy the likes of CCG had never seen since Arima, he can stalemate for a bit a SS ghoul (Ayato) without even having his quinque, soloed both Kuro and Shiro playing around without even trying at all.
There isn't any Kaneki and Eto, they are in a fight to the death right now. They also are fated to be enemies. Unless he beats down Eto and gets her to accept him ad her King she will never give in.
Let's settle this. Is kaneki back ? Or is this all a ruse ?
I distincly remember him thinking badly about Haise on a personal level. I might very well be wrong but I somehow thought jealousy was a part of it.
It would fit since even he is all over Arima's fucking dick as the page you've posted proves, god damn why do people love him so much.
Eto runs away
Tsukiyama sacrifices himself so Kaneki can get away/protect Kanae and undoes his mini arc development
Next arc Kaneki plans to raid the CCG prison and save Hinami with Qs confrontation
No he doesn't trust Haise and feels it would be a problem if Haise continues to rise up the ranks in the CCG. Nowhere has it implied he envies Haise or is afraid he will surpass him
He doesn't care about his personal credit.
Everyone is saying that Kaneki just wants to kill Eto then why is he asking her why she should be saved?
Couldn't he have just cut her to pieces right after he cut the armor away?
There's a scene where he denies the mask operation, and thinks that he doesn't want Haise and the Qs to get any more accreditations juxtaposed over an image of Arima's back.
And later when his subordinate points out that Ui hates the fact Haise got promoted. Which Ui explains away as Haise being dangerous.
He missed since the meat mecha is rather big and he didn't know the exact location of the host. He would aim for her neck next time as Eto's true position has been revealed.
Please be patient for chapter 56
> decide to watch the Jack animation
> Arima has blue fucking hair
What the fuck is it with those unnatural hair colours anyways. Is it SPs fault or were they by design by Ishida?
The chapter with shotaneki and Haise was really ambiguous imo. We could read it like Kaneki transmitting his suicidal will to Haise, or Kaneki wanting to wake up.
Either way what scenaristical sense would it be ? Haise has been established for 50 scans now, hwy would he be brushed away so easily ? I don't understand
I mean he only used one Kagune to cleave her, he has 7 others he could have extended right when he realized he missed, instead he pauses on top staring at her tits while he asks her why she is worth it.
It looks all right when drawn, on the volume covers as well, but it's so shit in the anime. Everything abou the anime looks cheap anyways though so no need to discuss it I guess.
Haise never existed. He always is and was Kaneki. I don't think you guys realise how disassociation personality disorder works. His personalities underwent fusion and he had been fusing by accepting more and more of Kaneki each chapter.
It's literally just Haise regaining his Kaneki memories.
Haise is shown to be bewildered and alarmed by Kaneki's desire to die, this doesn't mean Haise/Kaneki suddenly adopts that desire.
It just means the Kaneki we have now should be more optimistic than Kaneki in the past ever was, but no where near as naive as Haise was.
Yes he cares about Haise's promotion because he doesn't trust him and right there he has a flashback of Haise losing control when he was part of Squad 0.
What side are you on again? You are helping me quite a bit here.
They fused is all, he still remembers everything that happened in the ccg. He should still care about the q's since they were genuine relationships. He might want to rip Arima's throat though and he might not like Akira to much.
Can this end the debate now? Here is drunk Ui bitching to Hirako, probably his closest friend in CCG, about Haise.
This is how he feels about him.
Haise was more adjusted than Kaneki was, CCG let him feel human again.
His time at CCG will give him the ability to explore V from the inside out. I imagine we're moving into a double agent arc.
Where Eto gives him renewed motive to investigate V from CCG before she fucks off. Where Kaneki contacts his old ghoul friends and feeds them information from CCG to protect them while they in turn help him investigate aspects of V outside of his purview at CCG.
Hell, maybe he even starts working with Aogiri to "smoke out a liar".
Narratively, I think the anons who think he'll leave CCG are dumbasses.
All right. It's just... Haise grew on me you know ? And I was kinda waiting for Kaneki to come back, but, learning he was just looking for death just made him dislike him.
I wanted more of Haise
Do I have to go through every fight scene to prove you wrong?
I agree he won't leave right away. He will be interested in gaining any advantage he can before he is found out. Remember he is only at an rc level of 2900 or so he needs time to regain strength since the moment he leaves he will be hunted as much as Eto is.
If the Noro fight was still going on, I'd say maybe, but probably not now. Tsukiyama probably won't die. Kanae's a Joker, so she'll probably live longer. And no way in hell will Eto die.
If Matsuri shows up on the roof, I could maybe see him getting BTFO.
Their mental states are already fucked up beyond belief. You can't kill what's already dead.
I expect more trashtalking from both sides and that this useless piece of shit Ui finally arrives.
I'd say the only real candidates are Ui and Matsuri. If Kaneki decides to play the ruse game and pretend he's still Haise, Ui will survive as being the Sargent Doakes of that arc, otherwise he could get killed when he makes it up the stairs.
Matsuri may just be BTFO as soon as he fucks with the Owl and Centipede, though.
More than that: thematically CCG is hugely important as a facet of V, who are and have always been the ultimate antagonists of this series.
Haise remaining in CCG gives an angle into V that is denied almost everybody else trying to pin down V's movements. Not to mention the balancing act between ghoul savior and investigator is pretty symbolic.
If he ever leaves CCG, it will probably occur after some huge revelation of V's plots. Maybe bringing the remaining Qs up to speed and anybody he trusts- like Akira- before fleeing altogether.
Letting them continue his work.
Haise should kiss Eto on the forehead next chapter and tell her that she is cute no matter what form she takes
Then while she is calling him a Baka centipede he can have time to plan.
Nope; if he just cared about Haise being a ghoul, Fura wouldn't have focused on the promotion there you retard. Read between the lines. Of course he hates Haise for being ghoul scum, but at the same time he compares himself to him, rankwise. So whenever Haise got promoted, Ui got triggered.
I think it'd probably be more of a loving bite or a head butt, just because that's how they roll.
I have a theory as to how re will end, which I think is very plausible:
Kaneki will die. But his soul will choose to go back in time, the time when he was happiest, and he will be at volume 1 first chapter. Eto who loves Kaneki wants to be with him too and wants to be in a time when Kaneki'd love her, but since he already loves Touka she'll go back in time before Kaneki is born, and become his mother.
Don't forget the scene where Ui thinks it would be dangerous if the Qs got any more credit.
He isn't trying to shaft just "Haise" as a ghoul, he's trying to make sure that even the squad he runs gets no merit.
Ui is a hero of justice and the hope of arima squad.
The stairs is just a metaphor for him trying to overcome the guilt brought by his waifu's death.
When he finally reaches the roof we will se his true form
fuck off, fag
Of course if his squad gets success, the squad leader will naturally get a great amount of credit.
Anyways, he obviously cares about Haise's position in CCG. that was never up for debate. Nowhere has it been shown that Ui is a credit whore which was the main point of this shit.
>yfw Haise wanted to be hugged and now never will
>Mfw this entire Haise thing was a ruse by Arima to train Kaneki and make him even more powerful so he can have a truly worthy opponent that can kill him
Again, I disagree with that. Ui isn't Hairu. I think his fear of Haise losing control is genuine, see the omake where he is bitching about it to Hirako. He doesn't trust him and feels he is a threat to CCG (which is all true).
I think this might be the big reveal, a kind of Soylent Green moment when he finds
V is farming humans to feed ghouls in harvesting factories, a kind of disgusting enterprise which both species would find reprehensible and abhorrent.
Yeh that sorta implies he's jealous as well doesn't it.
> be Ui
> get to spend loads of time with Arima-senpai you look up to
> get your own squad
> no more time with papa Arima
> instead Arima starts spending more and more time with that fucking half-ghoul scum while you're sidelined
It only adds onto the dislike.
Not saying he's a fag or that jealousy is the main reason he dislikes Haise or whatever but I'm sure it factors into it, even if it's only a tiny bit.
What does it matter what his rank is if he loses control?
Regardless of rank, he'll be deployed to the battlefield according to his ability. Like we saw at the auction arc. So he'll lose control in the same spot on the battlefield regardless.
The only difference would be that his official title as an out of control ghoul is different. Which is stupid.
The whole idea of a ghoul inside the CCG still bothers me. Haise and the Qs were treated really well. How many people there lost friends or family to ghouls? And even so, there you have a ghoul skyrocketing through ranks.
I hope we get more deep into it when Ishida explains how Haise happened.
He's right though. Kaneki beating someone doesn't mean they're weak, the dude is a fucking beast.
From the special classes we have seen, only a few have real chances one on one against Kaneki.
Why the fuck would he lie to Hirako while drunk in the middle of his bitching session? I'm amazes he can still lie to Hirako and himself if that is the case.
Why would he have a flashback of Haise losing control while he was part of Squad 0 in the middle of that conversation with Fura?
Its pretty obvious he's being genuine. You guys are reading way too much into it honestly.
We've been over this, Qs are not half-ghouls. They eat human food.
As for Haise, the only person CCG suspects he killed is Amon, and even that's unconfirmed with multiple eyewitnesses seeing that Kaneki never wanted to fight him despite being able to absolutely wreck Amon.
Itou, for instance, is friendly with Haise probably, in no small part, because Kaneki kicked his shit in but didn't kill him despite having the ample opportunity to do so.
Even then, though, Haise isn't tolerated unilaterally by all the investigators. Take the fat lipped dude and Ui for example.
>there are actually people who think Eto will die
If she gets caught Kaneki will have the perfect opportunity to bust out her and Hinami from cochlea.
He's still a ghoul. There sure are some good points going on, like the fact that he was human and never really killed a human on intention.
But I can't see people who had their family killed and have been fighting ghouls their entire life just accepting it. He's pretty much their major enemy, right there, rising through the ranks.
It's even more odd when you consider he goes crazy every now and then. A lot of investigators saw Kaneki's worst and still we only have Ui and Lips who are clearly against.
It's like throwing a jew inside /pol/.
Kaneki understands her but it doesn't mean he cares about her. It's not like Yoshimura actually wished for her to be alive and happy, he wanted her to be "saved" and it can mean a lot of way.
You probably didn't understand that your question was already answered in TG. Remember when the CCG found out about Ken? When they asked themselfs if he should be judged as human or ghoul? This is the answer. Although he was turned into a ghoul the CCG as a organization accepted him. The view of individuals is meaningless in this matter. He is considered a "human" until he becomes an enemy of the CCG.
Not a lot of people know about Kaneki's rampages.
And again- a lot of investigators don't accept him because they see him as a Ghoul. But, while CCG recruits are trained to dislike all Ghouls, some recognize that Ghouls are living creatures too and even feeling guilt over killing them should be permissible.
Haise in particular has done far more to curb dangerous ghouls as Kaneki than most CCG recruits will ever do. Investigators in the know, like Akira, are aware that he was responsible for cleaning out the ghoul restaurant on his own.
I understand your point, but it just seems odd. We have a lot of eccentric characters who just go with it, so that's normal I guess. What bothers me is this cliche scenario where your enemy joins you, but somehow they just don't seem to really care. He gets promoted just like anyone else, it's like nobody even cares.
Most of them don't know that Haise = Eyepatch, so they probably don't care about a random semi-ghoul joining them. Also it's pretty adult behavior, to just accept what your boss tells you without holding grudes especially if you don't even know what the other party did. Hirako expressed that at the end of TG when he chilled with Ui.
I should change the chart then, for all we know they might be alive on kokuria, even if it's unlikely
They might have even been captured by aogiri and used for kagune experiments on fodder
>They fused is all,
I didn't get that they "fused" at all, I think "Haise" is know being repressed because Kaneki can't reconcile the two different lives he as right now, so he's locked the "Haise" part of him away. That's why he said "Goodnight Haise", as in Haise is the one dreaming.
>What else could possibly happen though? I can't see Kaneki walking away as friends with the CCG after all this. Plus he's still in trouble to lying to Ui and not reporting any of the shit going on at the roof to anyone. That looks sketch alone.
Fightning agaisnt Tsukiyama, Kanae and Now The One Eyed King, is a good enough excuse.
Ishida sure has done a great job humanizing Tatara in the omakes in both the prequel and :re.
I always liked him but the omakes made him my favorite character.
He probably does deep down but he has given up on it being possible, he still wants to be loved by others shows that he still cares about the world. He just feels the only way he can be loved is by dying as a martyr.
>it's pretty adult behavior
>Hey guys, this is Haise, he's a half ghoul
>By the way, he's also a psychotic murderer who butchered and cannibalized dozens of his own kind
>His friends are known investigator killers, and some of them might have killed your family
>If you were in the Owl raid 2 years ago, you probably saw him beating our investigators around
>Also, he tortured this 14 year old kid some time ago, but hey, he asked for it!
>Oh, I almost forgot, he also goes off and attacks anyone around him from time to time, be careful
>I'm sure you guys will understand it, you're adults after all!
Why Naki doesnt cannibalize ghouls and get strong like his aniki?
Or did Yamori tell him that cannibalizing is bad so he doesnt end up like him?
Aogiri sure get a lot of omakes. We need more chapters dedicated to them.
Read the post you quoted. Most people only know that he is a ghoul speedreader. Not what exactly he did. There was a reason why they removed the eyepatch case from the database besides Haise finding it obviously.
But they said at the end of part one that no prisoners were taken into cochlea. Koma and Irimi both went to V14, and only the capture of investigators by Aogiri was implied. It seems really unlikey that they'd be alive.
>He just feels the only way he can be loved is by dying as a martyr.
This, I don't get why some people find Chapter 53 Kaneki so hard to understand and reconcile with TG Kaneki.
>But they said at the end of part one that no prisoners were taken into cochlea. Koma and Irimi both went to V14
That's the issue. We saw the corpses of their friends, but there is no way for us to know that they were there too. Ishida could always reintroduce them and say that they didn't reach V14 because of some stupid reason.
Nowhere says that no one knows who he is or what he did. All we have seen is nobody mentioning it. You're just talking crap out your ass.
Fuck off with your made up bullshit and /b/ memes.
Like I said, fanfic. There's one million reasons why the data could be missing, it doesn't prove anything.
If you're gonna talk out your ass, at least provide proof other than "lol reread faggy XD".
I agree think about being in Kaneki's shoes at the end of Tokyo Ghoul.
Everyone else is out to make up for their sins. You desperately try to save the manager but then get heavily injured by Amon. After that you wander the sewers realizing you are to late but still try to move. Suddenly you black out and when you wake up there is some blood in your mouth and a feeling of loss. You make your way forward feeling with each step how much you failed your friends.
Then you run into Arima and break down after you realize the two you managed to save are likely dead by this man's hand. You feel the urge to run but you stop because you would rather join them and go out with a bang then run and fail them again.
Indeed. It was too vague. If Ishida wanted to confirm that Woof-Woof and Ape are dead he could/would have shown their faces. All the corpses there had their masks while the two of them left their masks behind at the scene where Kaneki saved them.
Nah, I'm the Ui faggot here. I've just been reading this thread for the past half an hour or so.
I'm so excited for the next chapter. Hopefully it'll be the opposite of the last chapter content wise. 3-4 pages of CCG and the rest dedicated to Kaneki and Eto.
God, what a fantastic arc. I know it's been said by many but I haven't been this amped up since the Anteiku raid.
>I know it's been said by many but I haven't been this amped up since the Anteiku raid.
Remember when /a/ said this arc would be shit?
Has anyone made an /a/'s expectations vs reality yet?
People still don't get it. The only ones on suicide watch are Toukafags.
Not to mention the fact that he went into the Anteiku raid after everyone warned him it was complete suicide - he thought he was doing it to save his friends, but later realised it was out of his own selfish desire - probably to be like the heroes in the books he reads that everyone loves.
I don't get why Touka/Kaneki shippers exist, they haven't had any chemistry for at least over a 100 chapters. I don't normally care what people ship, as long as they aren't obnoxious about it, but it's literally the most boring option
I mean I get it, she was girl MC for awhile and is pretty cute. Plus fits Kanekis preference for brash, dominant women. She's not really relevant anymore though, and considering how bad she fucked up I'd hate to see her casually accepted back. I mean I get it, she learned from her prior mistakes and is just avoiding all the bullshit now, which is probably the smart thing when you look at the current body count, but she still completely abandoned Kaneki.
>not Owl fucking the Centipede
We can't know really since there's so much blank periods but I don't say how she would've figured it out, with Touka eating all the food she made and all.
That was one thing I actually disliked about Touka, I thought it was sentimental and retarded to eat EVERYTHING. Appreciating it and eating it when she's around, sure, but that soup for example that was brought to her door... just unncecessary.
I honestly love it, and I don't think romance has any place in TG (Not that I think they'd be particularly romantic) the dynamic is great and the lead up is there. I won't be surprised if nothing comes of it but I won't be shocked if something does, either.
I've got a lot of respect for Ishida in not forcing Touka into the story just because she placed first in the popularity poll. She is as irelevant as she was in the prequel post Aogiri which id perfect.
Exactly. The Kaneki she 'knows' is the bumbling awkward starved kid she taught to fight who she thought was just an innocent, pampered boy. Even THAT isn't true, but he's just completely different now.
I do love some of the art with them together, though.
>tfw people think this chapter sunk Kaneki/Eto
Their "fight" was basically their version of dancing on their first date, look at the glee on their faces.
A little negging isn't going to stop them.
>mfw I was listening to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ9kKyo40PY while reading the chapter
She must have known that Touka worked at Anteiku so I don't know see how she wouldn't. But I think she might have accepted her and that they might still keep in contact. Don't see much purpose in her character other than for Touka so I guess we'll learn at one point or another.
Kaneki abandoned her twice. She doesn't really have the knowledge of what happened to him at CCG and she might think it might be better for him there.
>She's not really relevant
She will be again at some point end of TG and beginning of :re, even the title of second part pretty much spells it out.
If she'd interacted more with Kaneki after the aogiri arc I might like them together a little more, but as is what's even there to like apart from her pretty character design?
The Kaneki she interacted with hasn't existed for almost 150 chapters and is never coming back.
I mean Ishida has been hinting at it pretty fucking hard. It's not meaningless that he wondered whether she had a date for Christmas. And Touka has had enough screentime even if she hasn't been around in a while.
Same, I hope it stays that way.
Although iirc :re Volume 2 sold especially well just because of the Touka cover, so the pressure might still be on him from editors to include her more.
Kaneki? Not so much, as Haise though- yes.
Kaneki did shit like give her a keychain on Touka's birthday, which in an omake led her to ask Nishiki if he gave his girlfriend presents like keychains.
She's pretty smitten by him, there might be an electra complex wrapped up in there somewhere.
On Haise's part he is struck dumb by her beauty when they first meet, and fantasizes about her after the Christmas party.
I still want a Haise tulpa when Kaneki meets Touka again, telling him to get "sasirious" and fuck her brains out.
The only thing that makes me think that Ishida intends to make Touka/Kaneki happen is that he draws Touka pretty often in colour images and stuff.
In terms of the actual plot of the manga, Touka's been irrelevant for about 2/3 of it.
Not him, but I think it's possible. Of course Haise is simply Kaneki without his memories, but I think the current Kaneki might be repressing the "Haise" part of himself, because reconciling two different lives he has is just too much for him right now, and it's easier to compartmentalise Haise away. Hence the "Goodnight Haise" as he's currently the one "sleeping"
I don't know, it really doesn't seem like they've "fused", they will at some point, but I doubt they have yet.
Touka was never really that relevant after Mado died, she was mostly just there, like Nishiki, woof woof and ape.
The most important people around Anteiku, plot wise, was Yoshimura, Yomo and Uta. Touka was mostly just around as Kaneki's close friend.
Good. Pretty tired of his faggotry. Also
>implying Vash didn't talk shit about Hirako show empathy to Irimi
>implying CCG upper echelons don't know about that incident
>that's why he doesn't get any promotion
Poor Take. The absolute madman
I think she is, but from a narrative standpoint it doesn't seem like a good idea because she's been irrelevant for so long, and there's no indication that they would have any chemistry whatsoever.
Maybe Ishida will take it to unexpected places and make it work, I don't know.
Why did Ishida kill off so many good characters in just one arc?
Because the dream is over, and it's time to wake up.
As long as whatever happens is told well, I won't be disappointed.
That's just my reading of what's happening, and I've been right a lot in my predictions thus far, though Ishida is pretty impossible to predict totally.
>She'll probably be taking center stage
What? The stakes have never been higher, most of the major players are currently active, and Touka hasn't been in a fight for who knows how long. She'd be fucking wrecked if she was anywhere near the center of the stage right now.
Kaneki is now a stranger to CCG.
His father skullfucked him and he killed the husbando of his mother. Everything at CCG has been a carefully crafted lie, these people were his enemies.
Touka and Re are familiar ground for him, people who accepted and protected him in his entirety, lied to protect him and gave him truth when he was ready for it. The people at CCG just lied to deceive and control.
Who else would he talk to about his sudden remembrance if not Touka and company? CCG in the best case would interrogate him and attempt to suppress the memories again, ala brain surgeon Arima. Worst case they would kill him.
True, but it's irrelevant to his point. Nishiki is obviously considerably stronger after the timeskip so there is nothing stopping Ishida from giving the same treatment to Touka if that's the direction he wants to take the story.
Nah, it was a long image with theories like, what happened to hide, that TG Amon pic, Shirazu being blood thirsty etc vs what we actually got like how sasaserious turning out to be a crying bitch.
There's a few things. For one he's made a point of showing that Touka is a much more calm, peaceful person now. The implication being that she spends much of her time working at :re as the manager. Sure, he could easily say 'Oh, but at NIGHT she's been out fighting' but it would be bad writing of the worst kind. If anything Touka could be weaker then she was before.
It seems like we've got Don Kanekipede back though, I don't think he'd be eager to "talk to about his sudden remembrance".
He's acting really close to how he did after escaping Yamori's torture chamber, after which he pushed her away for six whole month
And we're probably going to get a CCG undercover arc anyway.
Kaneki will go to :Re after this arc and ask his friends for help to get Hinami out of Cocklea, right?
>It seems like we've got Don Kanekipede back though
God I hope so.
He has already been visiting the coffee shop as Haise, and if this Kaneki has all the development of the old Kaneki with a bit of the optimism of Haise I don't see why he wouldn't want to touch base with his old family.
Keep in mind Kaneki recognized his desire to work alone in TG was inherently cowardly and selfish. That his decision to return to Anteiku was a way to rectify his ways.
If we have to go through another edgy growing arc for Kaneki to understand that again because he forgot, please kill me now.
>He has already been visiting the coffee shop as Haise, and if this Kaneki has all the development of the old Kaneki with a bit of the optimism of Haise I don't see why he wouldn't want to touch base with his old family
So did you miss the part where he accepted that Haise was a completely bullshit fantasy and that he wanted to die?
>I burst out crying when pic related is shown
Truly suffering on a whole other level. Shirazu didn't even die peacefully.
I want Don Kanekipede at the CCG pretending to be Haise and friendly and all.
And then the second he's out of CCG's eyesight, shifty eyes Kaneki plotting how to take down Arima and rescue Hinami
Actually, if I were Ishida I'd do a sudden timeskip, pretend to have "Haise" back, and then at the end of the chapter reveal that it's just Kaneki pretending.
And /a/'s reaction to the spoiler pics of "Haise" would be hilarious.
No please. I agree with the rest. Like another anon worded up further up, basically having Ui as Sargent Doakes, trying to catch him in the act.
It almost seems like it's too predictable a way to go for Ishida, so I'm not holding my breath yet. The next chapter will probably give us a better idea of where he's going next.
We're definitely getting a CCG double agent arc, that doesn't preclude seeing Touka and the others though.
The Qs already know its one of his favorite haunts as Haise. Kaneki knows there's something bigger at stake here than just the Aogiri vs CCG affair, his old friends might be able to provide him a lot of information on top of comfort.
And loyal as hell well like everyone on tsukiyama's family
Shotaneki was so based. That suicidal little shit.
Ah, I only mean a short timeskip - basically not showing the immediate aftermath of the battle and what Kaneki decides to do.
Yeah, I think I suggested Ui as the suspicious one at the CCG yesterday too, as it would give him some relevance and dignity back.
It is obvious, but it's just such a fun potential plot, I want it - and if Ishida doesn't do it now, it can never happen.
Obviously in the last chapter the CCG was dragging their feet on getting to the roof, but this chapter they're getting all their guys together to fight Eto
If they get to the roof and see Kaneki duking it out, will Washu say "fug 2 ghouls :DDDD" or will he say "Haise is a tool and nothing more, if he doesn't finish One eye off then we make our move to end it once and for all"