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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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JAPANESE LANGUAGE DIFFICULTY POWER RANKINGS

EASY-BUT-TAKES-AWHILE:
JOUYOU KANJI
CORE10K VOCABULARY
BASIC GRAMMAR

KINDA-HARD:
SENMON VOCAB
LISTENING

OW FUCK MY EYES:
MANHYOUGANA
PRE-WAR KANJI AND KANA ORTHOGRAPHY

GOD, WHY! WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE:
RENDAKU
NAMES
うるさい TURNING INTO っせぇ
ENGRISH WRITTEN IN HIRAGANA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
The devil finds work for idle hands.
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>>134184374
Rendaku becomes rather intuitive after enough exposure.
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>>134184405
And then it uppercuts you when you least expect it.
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My best friend died of cancer today and I still finished my reps, I guess that's what a habit does to you.
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>>134185172
Work is a great cure for worrying and sorrow. You should triple your reps.
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>>134185172
Good, never skip your reps.
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Anyone know of a tool like Translation Aggregator but for linux?
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>>134185172
Nice blog. :^)
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>google something unfamiliar
>first result is explanation for exactly what I didn't understand
>http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/21834/unfamiliar-phrase-ありきたりっちゃありきたり
Noice
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>>134185352
Try installing Windows
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>>134185228
Good idea.
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>>134184374
rendaku and うるさい TURNING INTO っせぇ are way easier than vocab
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>>134185664
It is my opinion that vocab is not hard, but is rather tedious to accumulate; senmon vocabulary was put under kinda-hard because certain words have difficult to understand, abstract definitions.
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>>134184374
>うるさい TURNING INTO っせぇ
i laughed but now im not sure if you meant this as a joke
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Have you guys ever felt that Japanese isn't the final destination?
I mean, I used to think I would only ever need Japanese and English, but the more I study, the more I get this urge to learn another language after Japanese, like Mandarin or Cantonese.
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>>134186037
Yes
>>134186087
I wipe those thoughts away by thinking of the thousands of hours I would inevitably spend grinding vocabulary. Huge opportunity cost
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>>134186087
I'd rather master Japanese than learn a bunch of different languages and half ass Japanese
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>Due to his awareness of human limitations, Shinran advocates reliance on tariki, or other power (他力)—the power of Amitābha (Japanese Amida) made manifest in his Primal Vow
>tfw theism infected buddhism
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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>>134186087
I've been thinking maybe Korean, but that's 5+ years off. I want to have a really solid grasp on Japanese first.
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>>134186841
I don't see any need to learn Korean. I already know enough words just from Japanese to be pretty much fluent in Korean without even trying.
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>>134188067
What? Do they share vocabulary or something?
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>>134188219
Pretty much. See: わんわん!わんわん!
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I'm just starting the deck but I can already think of an easy-to-do improvement for the DOJG deck. Add to the example sentences the entry numbering like KS(A), KS(B), etc. and Ex. (a), Ex. (b), etc.
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Deleted all my decks

Feels good to finally be free. Won't be long until I forget everything I've learned.

Shit language and culture tbfh. Wasted over a year and a half on it thinking it'd get better when I understood more and more. Quite the opposite in fact.
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>>134184393
What's the source of that image anyway?
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>>134188564
Look at this faggot and laugh.
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>>134188564
さようなら
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>>134188219
No, they don't. He's a retard
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>>134188564
M-maki navy anon?
Anyway I don't follow you. After 2-3 VNs I didn't struggle with grammar much. After 20 VNs I realized I knew pretty much every word I saw. I didn't stress over it or anything. I just read VNs and had a good time (and did some anki). No idea why you went on a downward spiral. Oh well.
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>>134188676
He is asserting that, the more he understood the language, the more he started to hate the "culture", even though he was expecting the opposite to be the case, which left him in a somewhat dejected state of mind.
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Recently took the JCAT
damn I'm in bad shape for the N2 on sunday
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>>134184374
>RENDAKU
>NAMES
>うるさい TURNING INTO っせぇ
>ENGRISH WRITTEN IN HIRAGANA
None of these are a really big deal. They should all fall into easiest, except for names which should go into easy-but-takes-a-longer-while.
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>>134188564
Are you proud of yourself?
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>>134186087
Going to do Latin and quit Japanese when I get bored of cartoons and comic books. Can already feel myself engaging in them less and less as the months go on. Don't have the willpower or the time to maintain both of them. Have too many other hobbies.
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>>134188767
Oh. My mistake.
I can see that I guess. If I didn't like cute girls a lot I could see myself getting disappointed while reading VNs.
>>134188818
That was just joking, of course, except for names, which are undeniably a big "fucking why Japan" phenomenon.
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>>134188564
Goodbye failure. Hope your next efforts won't be such tremendous failures.
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I'm trying to into Japanese with Anki, but I keep getting a 'please install mplayer' error. How DO I install mplayer? I can't find the option in Anki or on their webpage.
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>>134188564
You can't DO ANYTHING
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>>134188845
Yep

>>134188921
Except I didn't fail?

If you play a video game, and after 10 hours you decide you don't like it so you uninstall it, that doesn't mean you fail at playing it.

Wanting to finish it but being unable to is failure. Japanese is literally a case of: Do your reps

Anyone can learn it if they spend enough time
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>>134188781
It's okay, Chris. Let's do our best together.
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>134189168
Holy shit what an attentionwhore.
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How long does it take to get your JLPT test results?
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>>134189168
>Wasted over a year and a half working on a skill which didn't amount to nothing and will eventually be completely lost
Sure you didn't. What counts is the journey.

>Japanese is literally a case of: Do your reps
No wonder you failed.
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>>134189168
Is this what you always tell yourself after you fail at something?
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>>134189168
>Anyone can learn
Except you that is
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>>134189245
They should be out February, March at the latest.
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The site says results will be mailed out late January, so I'm expecting them to arrive somewhere middle of February.

I didn't get my site info and voucher till last week and they promised it early November, so expect some extra lead time on this stuff.

Maybe they post it online and we can access it in January.
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>>134188781
When I scored this on October 14th, I knew it was a good choice to leave the N2 for next year. I took N3 last year and passed it with 134 and this year I didn't put much effort into learning Japanese. I've been taking measures to fix my weaknesses since taking the JCAT (mostly reading practice and grammar).
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>>134189249
>Wasted over a year and a half working on a skill which didn't amount to nothing

I read stuff I wanted to read. Played stuff I wanted to play. Watched stuff I wanted to watch

Then came the part where the novelty of "I can read/listen to Japanese!" wore off and I came to realize just how trashy Japanese culture is

Maybe when you get beyond 1000 vocab and also experience native content, you'll understand

>>134189270
Except I did? Unless you're going to arbitrarily define "learned" in which case, I'll do the same and no one ever learns any language. Ever.
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>>134189245
The online result announcement is at the beginning of february, getting the actual paper certificate can take another month
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>>134189249
>No wonder you failed.
Not that guy, but I by and large agree with him... of course, reading and listening practice is VERY essential, man can't live on reps alone, but in my opinion, those are fairly passive activities; there's the initial bump of learning a language where you have to really study grammar and every other word is unknown, but that only lasts a couple months, after that it's literally years upon years of casual reading for vocabulary acquisition; the bulk of learning Japanese really is just "do your reps" in the sense that all you need to do is steadily increase your vocabulary.
If someone passes the initial grammar bump, and never gives up anki (see: always adds new words, doesn't have review cap), then I definitely think they will learn Japanese no matter what.
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>>134189479
You are genuinely pathetic. It's too late to quit gracefully now.
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Right, so went through the big Google document and I just gotta ask, but even with the START HERE prompt, I admit it seems like it looks like there's a shit ton to keep organized. Or at the very least it seems very overwhelming.
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Has anyone here flunked a JLPT test? What level?
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>>134189479
How do you only manage to realize your opinion of a culture 1.5 years after committing yourself to study and participate in it?
It sounds a little bit like you're trying to justify giving up.
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>>134189751
t. Japanese cultural expert who has seen lots of anime
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>>134189632
N1
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>>134189606
How autistic can you possibly manage to be?
Are you projecting his failure onto yourself, because you know that most likely you haven't tried near as hard as him, so him quitting means to you that soon you will to?
Stop being such a fucking kek.
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>>134189796
>>134189848
>>134189949
all the same person
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>>134190141
wew...
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How important is sleep really?

Is six hours enough?
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>>134190830
Isn't there a theory that memory consolidation is done during sleep? 6 hours is 2 cycles, sounds fine, if you're actually getting 6 hours and not going to bed and falling asleep an hour later.
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>>134190830
Nobody knows
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>>134190830
It's not insufficient in a way, then depending on various factors it may not be sufficient either, depending. What I'm trying to say is it depends on various factors. Please cherish your well being as much as possible.
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How can I use my kindle to get shit from amazon.jp and still be hooked to my regular amazon account?

If above is not possible, where do you guys get your jap ebooks?
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>>134190830
5 hours works fine.
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>>134190830
24時間働けますか?
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>>134188676
Anon, just wondering: how much anki did you do over the course of your 20 VNs? Did you put most of the words you didn't know into the deck to grind? Or just the really pesky ones you had problems remembering?
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>>134191406
I mined 5,100 words. For the first 1,000 or so words, I only added words with kanji I didn't know; this was a hard time because it was a new kanji every single new card (I had just finished core2k, and so had 1,000 kanji known). For words 1,000-3,500 I added any word with unknown kanji... OR with kanji I failed to read (i.e. I know both 感 and 染 in 感染 but I didn't know 染's on reading so I added the word). This worked much better. For words 3,500-5,100 I added any word which I couldn't guess from context (at this point, I saw very few new kanji). That's pretty much what I'm still doing.

I think it's probably better to add every single word you don't know. Reason being: if it's an easy word like 水 or something, you'll absolutely smash it with 100% retention and it won't be a lot of work. So there won't be a lot of time wasted on "easy" cards even if you add a lot of "easy" cards. The only problem with adding every word is that it will take longer to learn kanji if you don't balance it.
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>>134190830
The SuperMemo guy has an overdetailed article here: http://www.super-memory.com/articles/sleep.htm
The key point:
> Go to sleep only when you are very tired. Not earlier. Not later. Wake up naturally without an alarm clock.
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>>134191686
If I did that my sleep schedule would continually shift hours into the future and my day schedule would crumble.
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>>134191686
Holy shit that is a fuckhuge article
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How did you guys learn grammar? Did you actually make notes and do exercises, or did you just read resources like Genki and focus on being able to read the example sentences?
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>>134191686
It's easy to keep your mind awake if you're doing something compelling. Shit advise.
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>>134191865
Read Tae Kim
Do DOJG Deck in Anki
Read Native Material
Reference Back to Tae Kim when You Don't Understand Something But Remember Seeing It In Tae Kim
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>>134191865
Read tae kim and take notes.
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>>134191994
You underestimate the importance of a good night's sleep, not eating junk food and exercise. I once did too.
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Is using that dojg deck a good idea?
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>>134191686
The problem I have is my curtains are shit and so once the sun's risen my room is bright as fuck and I have to wake up. Is this bad?
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>>134192301
615 cards in exchange for knowing most grammar patterns you'll see while reading. Sounds worthwhile, doesn't it?
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>>134192004
>>134192158
Are the issues with Tae Kim's guide overblown? Read a few rants on it and got the impression that it overgeneralizes.
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>>134192548
It's ULTIMATELY good, and definitely worth reading; no grammar guide is perfect (except DOJG) so you may as well read Tae Kim which is both brief and understandable.
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>>134191865
Watched anime
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>>134192617
>no grammar guide is perfect (except DOJG)
Careful there, DOJG has flaws of omission.
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>毎日お暑ですね。
Typo in the DOJG deck, it's missing an い.
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>>134192937
The content in DOJG is perfect and accurate. You can point at Imabi and laugh at 人を先に使う, for example, but you can't really point at any bit of DOJG and have it actually be wrong.
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>>134193001
Yes, I know what you're saying. I'm just spitting the shit.
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Noob going through tae kim's section on explanatory の:

what's the difference between 学生じゃないんだ and 学生なんじゃない?
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>>134192617
Good to know, thanks.
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>いい、まだです
Another typo. Should be いえ.
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>>134193309
I dunno why you're posting here, those errors have been there literally for 9 months
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>>134193171
"The thing is, (he) isn't a student."
vs.
"It's not necessarily the thing that (he) is a student."

Use the first one.
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>>134193171
> 学生じゃないんだ
It's [like, I'm] not a student
>学生なんじゃない
It's not [like, I'm] a student

The "like" is just there in my translation to keep the "not" clause from being parsed as a relative clause. [It's not "I'm a student"] would work differently.

The first one is a statement that, fact is, you're not a student.

The second one is a statement that, fact isn't, you're a student.

It's like a partial negative. Let's imagine a situation like this:

- Are you a student?
- I'm not a student.

That kind of exchange might use the first kind.

- Are you studying?
- It's not [like] I'm a student.

(again, the "like" is only there to keep the "not" clause from being interpreted as a quote.)

That kind of exchange might use the second kind.

Essentially, just like english, the "not" is in a different place, which means that they can be used for certain levels of logical inversion.

Oh, and please don't take my examples as gospel, I'm not fluent.
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>>134192270
That's why having a fixed schedule is important. You simply won't feel tired sometimes.
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/djt/, what is your favorite picture from the anki core decks?
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>>134193775
Elbow boob.
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>>134193775
>actually having pictures in the deck
They are pointless so I didn't bother
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>>134192301
>>134192395
Where can you get this deck?
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>>134193445
頭とおしりが同時に決まってくると思うよ。おにーちゃん

片方しか使えない
>まだ、学生「 _ 」

両方使えるけど、どっちをいれるかで全然違う意味になる
>そっか、もう学生「 _ 」
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>>134193885
>come back to check /djt/
>imouto using kanji
disgusting
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>>134190830
I have several nip friends and all of them confess to sleeping 6 hours a day or less. Crazy motherfuckers.
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>>134193835

http://www.mediafire.com/download/g0388ruwmhz6x0l/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E6%96%87%E6%B3%95%E8%BE%9E%E5%85%B8%E4%BE%8B%E6%96%87%E5%85%A8%E9%9B%86%28cloze%29%288%29.apkg
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>>134193775
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Holy fucking shit. I didn't expect this story to open up with a fucking horror prologue. I'm shaking in fear goddamn
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>>134188564
kelk
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>>134194421
That's an old version. Here's the newest one:
https://mega.nz/#F!HlFTiCxI!I3_D5C9_NyysiMHOfr0pkw
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>>134194529
>Shaking in fear when you don't understand most of the words
Ok bud.
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私を日本語で一番
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>>134194621
You don't know me?
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>>134188595
Shuudan rape mensetsu or something.
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>>134194683
hate this meme
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>japanese friend has the same birthday as me
>my name means a certain thing in my native language
>japanese name with the same meaning is homonym of his name
World is weird sometimes.
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Today was my first day with mature cards.

I got 2 correct out of 3.
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>>134195050
そりゃ傷つくわー
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Can I do the DOJG deck if I have no prior exposure to grammar and aren't doing any reading?

That is, is it a good first exposure to grammar, and can it be followed if I'm still working on vocab?
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>>134195690
No, read Tae Kim's guide first
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>>134195415
Within the margin of error. You're still getting used to SRS, so don't worry about your stats yet.
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>>134195415
You should probably give up
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>>134195690
You pretty much have to do Tae Kim first. DOJG deck offers explanations, but it doesn't *teach* the fundamental grammar necessary to understand the explanations in the first place. To put it another way - you NEED to be able to read the example sentences and see how the grammar works, if you haven't done any grammar beforehand (tae kim) you'll just be lost. If you try it out you'll see what I mean. It explains how は~だ is used, but it doesn't explain particles. So you need to do Tae Kim to learn about particles.
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Would anybody be against an IRC group or something of that nature for meta on things and general banter and how to improve stuff and...friendship comraderie?
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ちなみに、油揚げを別に買ってきて、それを魚焼きグリルで焼き、酢飯を中に入れて、ポン酢を付けて食べるのも、これまた上級者! さっぱり頂けてマジウマし!

>油揚げを別に買ってきて
Is this saying that if you buy the inarizushi seperately.. etc?
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>>134195980
I would join it, but /a/nons are typically against IRCs.

IRC would be much better than skype, in any case. The social norms of IRC were established by the original basement dwellers.
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>>134196063
>skype
>direct beaming autism to microsoft data centers
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>>134196081
I know, right?
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Can someone post the video where japs made a game show about trying to pronounce english words to Siri.

It was posted here a few days ago.
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>>134195980
It'd turn into an autistic circle jerk very fast, like is always the case with these things, and reddit would flood in.
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>>134196063
Naw skype is doxing heaven.
Irc you can at least mess with it.

I've never been in an irc room before what's the social standards? Dont be an obnoxious faggot?
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>>134196202
You seem to have read the post wrong.
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>>134196202
>I've never been in an irc room before what's the social standards? Dont be an obnoxious faggot?
Pretty much

there's a lot of similarity between the social standards of generals and IRCs
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>>134196170
It's YamaP no kiss.
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>>134196231
My hands are cold my bad.

>>134196266
I guess it's really not necessary because this general is fine because of a s moderation. Im glad it's on here instead of jp because than wed have more trips and names and avatarfags. The ones we have are pretty cordial. Honestly I just want some friends and feel like im making this place better.
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突っ伏せる
RENDAKUUU
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>>134196635
Got it right. やった!
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>>134196635
It's after a っ, you know 100% that it has to be hard sound rendaku even without looking it up.
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>>134196635
Why would you ever think that つっふ would be an acceptable sound to make?
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>>134196685
>>134196729
>>134196759
野垂れ死に・・・・
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>>134196785
なにが言いたいの?
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>pick random short nukige
>blackmail femdom h scene
>scene has a lot of non-moaning dialogue as a result
>harder than diamonds and reading it is a productive use of my time
Don't forget to read compelling content, DJT.
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>>134197152
>read compelling content
>neet talks about how he wasted his life and regrets spending all of his time in front of a PC doing nothing with all the free time available to him
>feel like absolute garbage
Be sure to read compelling, happy content
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>>134189549
What do you mean review cap?
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>>134197232
Anki by default limits your reviews to 100 (i.e. a review cap of 100). This means even if you have 200 reviews scheduled for a day, anki will only show you 100 of them. This is pretty much god-awful. Many unsuspecting people (they have posted here several times) end up with THOUSANDS of reviews built up, due to only doing 100 a day. It's awful and completely ruins your chances of success.
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>>134197288
How do I undo this?
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>>134195992
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>>134197203
we're all gonna make it bros
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>>134197328
Click on a deck, go to options on the botom, select the "reviews" tab, put in 9999 in the maximum reviews/day box.
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>>134196460
What does your captain's dick taste like?
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How far into studies were you when you started playing Japanese vidya and begin to understand it, and what game?
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>>134197422
Thank you.
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>>134197461
I have a pokemon emerald rom on my phone, I play it when I have downtime on my phone and don't know what else to do, over the course of a year i went from knowing jackshit to playing it like it was in English (minus knowing the pokemon names and moves).
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>>134197461
1.5 years. Nayuta no Kiseki
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>>134197335
何かがおかしいよ
探しても探してもワルドさんが見つからない
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>>134198397
あ、今ググったらWaldoは日本ではウォーリーという名前らしい
ワルドだったらワールド(世界)と勘違いしやすいからかな
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Is this grammatically correct?

ネコマスターにおれはなる!!

(I will become a cat master)
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>>134198619
Cut out the おれは it's implied by context
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Is there anything for studying Japanese that you'd consider worth buyfagging that you can't just download somewhere?
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>>134198647
ネコマスターになる!
is a better way of saying it?

Is leaving it おれは kind of explicitly saying it and not typically done?
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>>134198467
日本人に馴染みがないからじゃね?
ドナルドは本名ロナウドだしな
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>>134198647
The おれは part is clearly intention.
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>>134198666
Manga. Scans are usually so shit they're unreadable and scanlation groups will never ever share raws.
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>>134198619
It would sound better with おれは at the beginning. Taking it out entirely is fine too, but leaving it in sounds more emphatic
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>>134198666
In terms of things that you can't pirate
1) Anki for iPhone for those unfortunate enough to not have an Android
In terms of things you can pirate
1) Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Series

... Honestly I expected a bit more. Tae Kim's guide being legally free, Anki being free, and Jisho being free really means most good tools are free. I would pay a lot of money for Chiitrans Lite, I think, knowing just how fucking essential it was, but that too is free (and now I don't *really* need it).

Anon has a point about manga, the scans for older manga (Card Captor Sakura last I checked) are often just plain unpleasant to read.
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>>134198666
I bought a kobun textbook, and several novels.
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>>134186604
>not first
What
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>>134198647
>>134198793
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>>134198895
What's your point?
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>>134198916
pic is the point.
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>>134198944
I don't get it. Explain.
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>>134198949
You have no enough Japanese skill for correcting others' grammatical error.
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>>134198771
>>134198795
How's the quality of used manga? I noticed buying new is several times more expensive for a lot of the series I want.
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>>134198984
I disagree.
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>>134199009
go pound sand, kek
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>>134199003
They probably read it while on the shitter than clean their asses with the pages once they're done
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>>134199067
Jokes on you, I don't even know what that means and I'm not gonna look it up.
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>>134199003
I have never bought any, but I've read that used stuff from Japanese is generally in good condition.

I'm hate buying used books in the US. Sometimes you get really lucky, like the German read I bought that looked brand new. Other times you get unlucky, like the textbook I bought where literally 90% of the book was highlighted. I'm not exaggerating. I wish I kept it just so I could show people how ridiculous it was.
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>>134199003
You'll get hotglue on maybe 50% of used shit you buy from Japan, it's crazy
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>>134198895
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>>134198467
こんにゃのがあったよ。おにいちゃん
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2269121
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>>134199153
>posting XK "I'm the creator and a gay faggot" CD crap
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>>134199239
There is nothing wrong with that strip.
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>>134199203
Where's Waldo?とよばれているのはアメリカとカナダだけだったか
全然知らなかった
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>>134199153
Cutting out subject is grammatically incorrect in Japanese, it's just allowed.
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>>134199153
I don't get it. Is it supposed to be funny because he's acting like a Muslim?
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>>134199203
とりあえず気色悪い日本語話すのやめてくれ
どうせオッサンなんだから
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>>134199282
I have no idea what you're trying to say.

But it's obvious that the person who posted the original question was just posting it as a ひっかけ問題. He wouldn't have thought to do so unless he too thought it was slightly unnatural (or at least, that other ways would be more natural if just assuming that it's a beginner trying to say a silly sentence without extra context). He then posted the context and acted smug about "hurr your suggestions are wrong"

So the xkcd comic is pretty accurate, I think.
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>>134199377
Aw man, now that you mention it, you're probably right. I thought >>134198895 was a second party jumping in but no, it was a leading question, for sure. Feels bad man.
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>>134199377
I'm native Japanese and I can say the original is grammatically correct. Of course the impression will differ from 俺はキャットマスターになる! or キャットマスターになる!

But since キャットマスター itself is not even proper word, people would assume he is pretending to be Luffy, so the original one is only one correct answer.
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>>134199458
It was ネコマスター you korean
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>>134199487
キャットマスター is better then. ネコマスター is composition of Japanese word and English word so it sounds little bit strange.
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>>134199458
I didn't say it wasn't grammatically incorrect, just that other ways would be more natural. Although if he is trying to imitate Luffy as you said, then clearly it was the right way.
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>>134199590
>just that other ways would be more natural.
I got input from a native myself and he said 俺は in the front rather than the middle sounded better so I will agree with you.

It really does seem that a clear-cut correction was turned into a "BUT TECHNICALLY" situation rather than a productive one
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Personally I think this

おれはキャットマスターになる

sounds the best. But original is also grammatically correct
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The original post was this>>134198619
And only correct answer is he did not grammatical mistake and it completely depends on the situation if it is more natural or not compared to others.

>>134199653
>I got input from a native myself and he said 俺は in the front rather than the middle sounded better so I will agree with you.
He is right, but he is talking about natural sound so if you talk about the line ネコマスターに俺はなる!., only this original phrase sound natural and other sound strange at least without contexts.
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>>134199818
>And only correct answer is he did not grammatical mistake and it completely depends on the situation if it is more natural or not compared to others.

If someone asks a question like that in a beginners thread and doesn't say anything about the context it's completely fair to assume they are just a beginner trying to make a silly sentence, and there is no deep situation. In that case, the most "standard" way of saying it is the best one.

The point is just that he was technically right but it was a faggy ass leading question and this conversation doesn't deserve to continue.
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>>134199818
>And only correct answer is he did not grammatical mistake
He didn't make an objective grammatical mistake, of course, but if you think of the context (i.e. an apparent beginner trying to construct a sentence) then he clearly did not choose the most optional phrasing. Right?
I mean, I don't want to argue with a native on this, it's a losing battle, I just want the situation to be clear-cut and everyone on the same page.
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>>134199003
Good luck buying Jap Manga in Burgerland, queer.
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おれ、ツインテイルになるます
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>>134199962
なりまする!
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>>134199962
Forgive me for I have posted before reading my own post.
おれ、ツインテイルになります
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>>134199905
>>134199911
His original phrase is ネコマスターに俺はなる!!
How beginner who is trying to construct a natural sentence use two exclamation mark at the end?
The exclamation mark is not proper mark in Japanese so it is technically grammatically incorrect.

Most of native Japanese would assume it was from manga line. That's why I said it is grammatically correct (when you ignore exclamation marks) but only sound natural in this word order.
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わたしわ
飲みする
でんだい
頃背亜字
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>>134199962
ツインテイルだと、たぶんこっちになっちゃうよ。おにいちゃん
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Can we all just agree you'll never learn Japanese?
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>>134200095
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>>134200114
I CAN learn Japanese, because I have amphetamines.
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>>134184374

Kyujitai isn't that hard c'mon
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God damn the ordering of the core2k/6k deck is fucking stupid.
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>>134200218
I agree
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>>134200218
What's a better order and where can I get it before I ruin myself?
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>>134200185
I hear that Japanese natives struggle to read pre-war books in kyujitai so unless that's a lie then I have to disagree.
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>>134200262
Maybe if they've never read such a book before.

I mean, yeah you have to learn them, so you aren't just gonna be able to skim through a book that's full of them. But you only have to learn each one once, you already know the words, and many of them look similar to the shinjitai.


Basically, "Japanese can't automatically do it" doesn't mean it's hard, it just means that it isn't something Japanese specifically study.
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>>134200322
>Basically, "Japanese can't automatically do it" doesn't mean it's hard
Well, keep in mind it was put under "WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE" not "HARD". Names aren't really "hard" but at the same time they're real bullshit, just like having to learn kyuujitai
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>>134200386
Fair enough.
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>tfw you don't know how to read Tae Kim
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>>134200458
>tfw you don't know how to read Genki
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>>134200464
>tfw when you don't know how to read English
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>>134200458
>>134200464
>tfw you didn't read either and learnt Japanese anyways
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>>134200218
Are you using the optimised i+1 deck? pic related
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>>134200531
Where is this and why is the bullshit order one in the pastebin?
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>>134200218
While this is true and the ordering is pretty bad, I think I would still recommend any beginners do it, simply because it's so convenient, much easier to set up and use than a mining deck, and all the words except 日ソ are essential and you'll end up learning them anyway. I think the downside of learning a few words a bit early and a few words you'll already know from reading by the time they come up in Core, while non-ideal, doesn't counter out these advantages.
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Is there a way to generate a kanji grid for all of my cards and not just one deck?
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>>134200872
Drag decks over each other and use kanjigrid on the temporarily joined decks
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I think there comes a point where one's worries changes from "Will I be able to learn Japanese" into "Will I ever be good at Japanese", and I can't tell which is worse. It feels good, now, to know Japanese, to read and listen and have a swell time of it, but it feels BAD, wondering if I'll ever SOUND Japanese and not so gaijin-esque, if I'll ever be able to write essays that don't read like garbage, if i'll ever be able to... be GOOD at Japanese...
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>>134200960
>Wanting to do anything besides read/listen
Fag.
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Is つ used as a counter for your own age often? I just heard it in anime.
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>>134200606
This one is in the optimised i+1 order
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/953269262

That said, I took a quick glance at the deck in the Anki Startup pastebin without the media files (http://www.mediafire.com/download/2hzy5cz5urb8da6/core2k+6k+backup.apkg) and I don't really see anything bad about the ordering.
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>>134199930
You can buy full sets of used manga from Japanese Amazon.
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>>134200960
I've been able to fool japs into thinking I am a native after only two years of light conversation practice with japanese friends.
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>>134201065
Nah
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>>134201084
finland?
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>>134201202
No, russian anon.
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>>134201227
Doesn't count. Russian is just another form of mong speak, so you pretty much already knew Jap to begin with.
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>>134201001
How do the fuck do I train my listening? I want to understand my seiyuufus.
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>>134201275
>How do I get better at X?
Do more X.
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>>134201275
watch with japanese subtitles
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>>134201254
>tfw know russian

i can learn japanese
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>>134201254
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>>134201254
Russian is way more closer to Japanese in pronunciation than English is so I guess you're right.
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>>134201604
Have you watched those movies I recommended to you?
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Anyone use A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese? It seems quite useful, it's got the 5000 most common vocabulary and I wonder if that's applicable to be learned. Apparently those 5000 make up like 95% or something of all conversations.
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>>134201778
>do core2k/6k
>never care about "a frequency dictionary" ever again
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>>134201710
not yet, I still have some more things on my backlog.
I'll get around to it though. Saved your list of recommendations and downloaded a couple of them too.
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今日は頑張りたくない、実は。
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>>134184374
ほり ふぁっく にっがちゃん えいよおおおおお
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Where can I find grammar lessons that make sense?
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>>134202191
Learning Japanese the Manga Way
Tae Kim is mostly a troll for new people, ignore that
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>25 dollars for anki on iphone, while the android version is free.
>Got an iPhone as a gift, my old fucked up android phone where I used to study anki is dying

Fuck.
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>>134202203
>Tae Kim is mostly a troll for new people
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>>134202221
Tae Kim is garbage, God save you if you intend to learn anything with that gook paper.
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>>134202231
0/10
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>>134202191
それは簡単です、もっと読んでください。
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>>134202282
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>>134202257
>uh oh someone said something I don't like about a thing I don't like
>better use le rating meme, that will imply the post I am replying to is a bad troll
go back to /r/learnjapanese
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>>134202312
What purpose does this bullshit serve?
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>>134202221
What's his name again?
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>>134202312
もっと読んでと言った、もっと書いてと言わなかった。

でも、手書き能力が必要。
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>>134202323
I dunno mate, an immaturity shown in those posts is trumped tenfold by your own asinine flamebaiting
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>>134202325
Better recall
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>>134202430
Total recall?
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>>134202325
distinguishing in an instant 読 from 続, 持 from 待, 石 from 右 without the need of context, among other things
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>>134202530
Holy shit, someone's been asking for that picture for literally months, I hope he sees that you posted it
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>>134202551
That guys an idiot because I have another version of it.
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>>134202343
Steven Merchant
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>Steve will die in your lifetime
>all that knowledge will rot away
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>>134202911
彼は子供がないの?
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>>134202928
He has a son, I think?
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>>134202911
We have to carry on his legacy by becoming polyglots
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So I've started
>Tae Kim
but am having trouble with pacing it out.

Currently I'm expecting to learn grammar and vocab from it but I can't figure out good times to slow down/stop and review. Is it worth completely grasping a concept before continuing or understanding it at a basic level to passively review it as I move forward?

I interpret >>134191865 as using Genki for a supplement.
>>134192004 as use Tae Kim as an "intro", learn off DOJG, read native, and refer to Tae Kim as needed (retain what you can, look up otherwise)
>>134192158 as above, but more oriented on breaking things down but not exactly reviewing them

To reiterate, the problem I'm having is exactly when to make time to review (grammar, vocab, whatever) as opposed to proceeding onto new content. I'm not expecting to learn it over night but learning how to progress properly would be nice.

I can stare at decks all day but without moving forward onto newer (deck content) and I'll eventually get the former but not the latter.
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>>134202994
Just wing it the problems will iron themselves out later
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>>134202960
He has 2 sons. One played professional hockey in Japan. The other lives in London and I don't think he has ever been on camera.
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>>134202994
ideally you should be reviewing and moving on each day, but if you don't feel like you know it well enough, you don't have to move on yet.
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>>134202994
Good luck my nigga. I've been on TK for two months.
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>>134203536
Aim to go through most of TK in 2-3 weeks. Then read native material with text hooker to drill the grammar in. You can use Anki for N2+ grammar later on.
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>>134197514
That's a good idea, thanks.
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>>134184374
>EASY-BUT-TAKES-AWHILE:
Why won't this autism go away?
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>>134193885
>頭とおしりが同時に決まってくると思うよ
What does this expression mean ?
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>>134204279
My asshole is always the same.
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>still shaken up from yesterday
>been tense and jittery all day
>tried to study a few times
>too mentally erratic; the ability to focus just isn't there
>took a pill, which did nothing
>sleep deprived, which undoubtedly isn't helping

Maybe I should just close anki and go to sleep. Don't set my alarm, turn my phone off, take a melatonin, and sleep until my body is ready to wake up, even if that's like 6 p.m. or some crazy shit like that. This might put me three days behind, but it's not like that's something that I can't come back from over the course of tomorrow and the day after.
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>>134204360
Did some muslim see you watching anime and try to behead you?
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>>134204360
>>still shaken up from yesterday
What happened?
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>>134204375
>>134204389

Missed the financial aid deadline due to delays. I'm pretty much stuck between a choice of continuing with a degree that I don't want at an online college (another useless 5k worth the debt), and entering repayment that I'm not ready for.
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>>134204414
Don't worry about that shit, just do your reps, get some amphetamines if it helps.
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>>134204414
Shit nigga better start flipping some burgers !!
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>>134204414
Is it possible to take an aid period off, or do the details disallow that?
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I realised that in anime, manga and VNs characters often refer to each other by their names when talking to the other person. So for example you have

"〇〇くんお料理上手だね!”
Is translated 100% of the time to "You're pretty good at cooking!" instead of the literal translation using the name like "〇〇くん is pretty good at cooking. It's a pretty shitty example but I see this used with 先生、先輩 or basically any way to refer to someone simply translated to "you".

Does anyone know why translators do this? I haven't read a lot but I'm pretty sure translating everything to 'you' loses some meaning from the original material.
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>>134204424

Unfortunately, it's not something that I can just forget about. This is kind of a big deal, and a holdup in my plans. It's also a ticking time bomb.

I have to fall FAFSA and see what my options are. Maybe they'll allow me to sign up for the summer semester?


>>134204426

I don't know about burger joints, but I have seen a few places that I'm going to apply to.


>>134204430

There's suspension (you can take up to half of the year off), but that's not what I did. I simply didn't renew my financial aid for University of Phoenix when it ran out. Instead, I began filling out a new application at a two year to get my math and early science requirements out of the way.

That school honestly looks like a piece of shit, though. I wasn't impressed at all when I visited it three days ago to see where that main campus was. And given how they handle admissions... I just went there because it's a cheap school that offers straight early computer science curriculum (which I don't know that I can get at a pure online college that follows the five week format; haven't researched it yet, though). My grades are really good (over a 3.7), so the plan was to attempt to get into Georgia Tech or MIT after that.
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>>134204525
Because it's the normal way to refer to the second person, you have to translate it as whatever the normal way of referring to the second person is in the target language. Otherwise, you change the /pragmatic/ meaning of the text, by creating new information that a character is referring to the second person using a way that's not normal.
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>>134204348
What?
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>>134204571
>Otherwise, you change the /pragmatic/ meaning of the text, by creating new information that a character is referring to the second person using a way that's not normal.

What do you mean by this?
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>>134204279
文末と文頭には、良い組み合わせと、悪い組み合わせがある。

>さあ+行く


>さあ行け
>さあ行こう
>さあ行きます
>さあ行きましょう
>さあ行きませんか

×
>さあ行くな
>さあ行かない
>さあ行きません
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>>134204604
Language isn't all about syntax. It's also about "pragmatics". Basically, there are core ideas that shall be communicated using language, and the actual grammar and words will differ between language in more ways than are reflected by their core differences.

English is actually a good language to look at this in.

When you say someone's doing something in the present, continuous tense, in english, there's no conjugation for that. In fact, instead of having them act something, you say they "are" something, and that something that they're doing is the state of doing something else. They are the state of doing something. "He IS jumpING", as if "he" were somehow the concept of jumping itself. Yet this doesn't come across at all as such a statement. The syntax is immediately thrown away and the pragmatic meaning of being a present continuous action by the subject is immediate.

If you were to literally translate "He is eating" into japanese, including all of the words in exactly the same roles (aside from the fact that Japanese has no gerund), you might get something like "彼が食べることです", which means something different. This is really not a perfect example of making something syntactically equivalent that doesn't fit, but it should show that it's a minefield to try.

This goes all the way up to pronouns and even how to express relative clauses and link sentences together. Different constructions have completely different "pragmatic" meanings if translated excessively literally between languages. You can draw the line at any point, like saying, verbs should be translated this way, conjunctions should be translated that way, but you always make a compromise at some point.

The most important skill of a good translator is to keep the pragmatics as intact as they possibly can. The meaning carried by the words and constructions used is what shall be translated, not the words and constructions themselves.
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>>134203256
His son in London has been on national TV and radio a few times to discuss various political issues.

He's clearly the more successful of the two. The other one literally has a LingQ certificate signed by his Dad on his LinkedIn profile
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God damn it I can't understand this grammar shit and Tae Kim sucks at explaining anything. This is why Genki is better.
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>>134197697
also 1.5 years, Sora no Kiseki
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>>134204950
If it helps, you can basically take each word and read it in right to left order. Aside from the subject, of course.
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>>134204950
They're both shit to be fair

Genki is by far the shittier of the 2 though
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>>134204784
So what you're trying to say is you need to translate the meaning of the sentence and not the sentence itself? I can get behind that.
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What do you call a NEET that is studying a language?
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>>134204998
Yes, but if I put it in short words like that, someone would say that the low level grammar and words themselves are the meaning.
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>People still believe you can self teach a language.
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>>134204757
うわ、パンツ屋かよw
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>>134204525
You are correct, it does lose some meaning. A degree of subtlety is lost.

That's the reason a lot of us are even here, because you can enjoy anime much more in the native language, due to subtleties like that which don't exist in English and get muddled.

But that's the reason- there is no English equivalent. Calling someone their name to their face would be awkward 99% of the time in English, which is as far as possible from the original meaning.

Honorifics don't translate either. You can't translate senpai - as it is used - accurately. You have to either leave it untranslated, so NEETs who know what it means can pick up that subtlety, or you have to convey the meaning through tone instead.

Japanese has like 20 ways of saying "I" or "you", English has effectively one for each. There's no perfect way to translate them without losing something.
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>>134205002
A waste of his precious NEET time
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>>134205063
>People still believe you can learn a language from institutionalised education.
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>>134205002
language learner can't be NEET
coz they are learning something
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>>134205063
What you really need is a professor telling you to go extra slow so he can suck more money out of you
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>>134205106
The education in NEET refers to formal and/or institutionalized education.
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>>134205118
Thanks.
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>>134198895
Is this image quality typical of scans?

Because if I didn't already know what it meant, I'd never be able to decipher those 3-pixel furigana.
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>>134205079
I'm thinking you could use junior/sophomore etc. The case where someone talks about a kouhai or senpai before his name is mentioned is also very complicated since you can't just sub that in. The best choice in the end is probably just leaving it as senpai since everyone on the internet already knows what that means.

On the topic of tone, it seems like 99% of translators don't even know it exists. It almost feels like they don't put any thought into translating at all besides getting the rough meaning across. I don't know whether it's because they're ESL or because they have never read a book in their lives but the situation is just vexing desu senpai
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>>134205152
it's downscaled
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Finished Yui's route. Took me over a month. Best route and best girl, sorry Amane. I'm going to have to do 1 route per week to finish by the end of the year. Probably going to fail.

Sakurako is next. I'm expecting her to be the worst route.
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>>134205152
It varies to a large extent. There's a few online raw manga readers listed on the guide, you can go check that out. For example if you want to find scans of Yotsubato they're extremely high quality but god help you if you want decent raws for gakkou gurashi. At that point you either start buyfagging or switch to VNs.

Oh and not being able to see furigana isn't that big of the problem since you can use OCR tools or just draw it in google translate
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How accurate is Anki's hours studied timer?

Mine says 400 hours, but I seriously cannot do shit in this language. Not even basic reading.
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>>134205238
That's pretty typical.
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>>134205238
400 hours of what? RTK?
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>>134205182
Is there some recommended order I should be doing the routes in?
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>>134205063

>People have become so dependent on classes that they believe that you can't learn anything meaningful without a teacher looking over your shoulder 24/7
>without realizing that they're conversing with a German or a Frenchman who taught himself English by watching American movies

I can guarantee you that if you take the typical DJT member who's been at it seriously for two years and the typical student who's two years into Japanese classes, the former will run circles around the latter and make him wonder what the hell he's been doing for these past two years.

Classes are a terrible place to learn languages, and they have a success rate to prove it. Everyone knows someone who's taken several years worth the classes and walked away with a superficial grasp on the language.

What you do need, at some stage, is a native to critique your output. However, that doesn't necessarily dictate going to class, or years worth the tutoring. The overwhelmingly vast majority of your progress will be made while doing flash cards and listening to/reading things that interest you.
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Are there someones speak Japanese as second language and English as your third language?
I feel sepeaking or writing English is uncomfortable than Japanese:(
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>>134205280
Are there <people who> speak Japanese as <a> second language and English as <a> third language?
I feel <like> speaking or writing English is <more> uncomfortable than Japanese :(
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>>134205238
Have you tried reading? Have you tried again? How about now?

What did you study with anki anyway? 400 hours is a lot of time to spend without getting results.
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>>134205266
Start with the girl you like most. Do the girl you like least 4th, because it will be hard to finish if you leave the worst for last. That is my strategy so far.

Amane -> Kururi -> Yui -> Sakurako -> Mayuri
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>>134205346
I like max the least tho
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>>134205238
400 hours? Jesus, how long did that take? I'm at 61 hours and it's been 4 months, 5.4k cards down.
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>>134205375
He doesn't have a route though, except in the fandisk
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>>134202870
10/10
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>>134205346

>hating the only girl in the dorm who's not a psychopathic cunt; also, best hair
>Kururi, that little ball of malice and hatred that not even twintails can save, in second

Shit tastes.
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>>134205311
Thank you for correcting my poor sentence hehe
I'm learning both Japanese and English and I sometime see this thread for get studuing tips, but everybodies are talking in English, even though here is Japanese thread, so I feel tired to read all you guys posts.
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>>134205447
>someone noticed me
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>>134205489
Where are you from and how old are you?

You speak like a 14 year old Slav
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>>134205479
I don't hate her, I'm just not interested at all. Her route could change that.

Kururi is kawaii. Her route sucked though.
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>>134205565

Flyable Heart sucks. Largely because it contains Kururi.
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>>134205002
AmphetaNEET.
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>>134205489
Read a book, like narnia or some shit

It will help you a great deal
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>>134205512
too many fat americans mate
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>>134205588
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せんねんしんぜんえんのもんぜんのやくてん、げんかんばん、にんげんはんめんはんしん、きんかっぱん、きんかんばんぎんかんばん、きんかんばんこんぼんまんきんたん、ぎんかんばんこんげんはんごんたん、ひょうたんかんばん、きゅうてん
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>>134202870
This is a really underrated comment. I'm hoping the double meaning there is intended and not just a fluke.
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>>134205539
I'm 18.
I was born in Cambodia and migrate to Japan with my family when I was 10. That's why I speak Japanese as second language^^
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>>134202870
Like a fucking glove.
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>>134205772
両国の治安はいかがですか
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>>134205642
少し黙ってくれ
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>>134205772
8 years in Japan and you still need tips from the DJT? Half of the uses here have been "studying" for 6 months, 1 year at most
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>>134188853
I quit Latin to do Japanese
Studied it for 5 years compulsory at school. Hated the syllabus
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>>134186087
Language learning is a shit tier hobby.
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>>134206166
I don't think schools are very good at teaching any language. Just look at how poor Japanese classes are.
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>>134186087
I'm planning to learn Hebrew once I've reached my goals in Japanese.
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>>134206235
Knowing how to speak to Jews won't make you any better at making money you know
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>>134206085
kek, what are you expecting from third world subhuman like a cambodian immigrant?
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>>134205975
東京都の両国のこと?
冗談だよw
日本のほうがいいと思うよ。でもカンボジアの犯罪と日本の犯罪はタイプが違うから・・・・難しいね。
地雷はもう少ないと思うけど・・・・
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>>134206253
I'm already jewish though.
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>>134205629
What a slut
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>>134206495
This. Goyim are still goyim to the Jews, they will always be cattle even after you convert and learn their sand language.
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>>134206085
well, I know can't get real tips in here, but it's interesting reading you guys funny posts^^
I'm just enjoying reading you guys opinions.
>>134206260
you are awful:(
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>>134206543
Do you ever go on holiday in cambodia?
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>>134206556
I've never gone to Cambodia since I came to Japan.
My dad went back there twice for his job, but that's all. Most of our families are in Japan so we don't have much reason to go on holiday in Cambodia.
Flight tickets are expensive senpai:(
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>>134206794
Okay I've wanted to know this for a long time. You went to school in Japan right? What kind of books do they read? Do people still read or is it something that only one or two kids in your class do?
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執拗
執事
執刀
執筆
確執

執着
執念
執心
妄執

I can never remember when this son of a bitch is しつ vs しゅう. Any tips on keeping it straight?
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>>134206436
日本語上手いね。
インターナショナルスクールじゃなくて普通の学校に通ってるの?
日本人はカンボジア好きだよ
アンコールワットは超人気旅行先だし
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>>134206853
It seems like 執 is usually しゅう when the word is something involving devotion or attachment. The only exception in that list 執拗 (しつよう).
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>>134206831
Many students are reading manga and some students prefer reading novel like Keigo Higashino. I like reading light novel.
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>>134207039
Thanks, it was something I've always wondered about.
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Why is leaving the comfort zone of anki/grammar guides so difficult?
I should have enough of a base to attempt easy manga but I just can't get started.
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>>134204148
Unless you're retarded pretty much everything considered "hard" is actually easy but takes a while to do.
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>>134207078
If you can't even read Yotsubato you either don't have a base at all or you should just give up
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>>134207078
J U S T D O I T
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>>134206864
ありがとう^^
初めて会う人からは大抵日本人だと思われるよ。名前でばれるけどw
インターナショナルにも通ってたけど、学費が高くて辞めた。
人気なの?たぶん有名な場所がアンコールワットしかないからだよ・・・・・泣
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>>134207115
ハーフとかじゃなくて、両親ともカンボジア人なの?

>たぶん有名な場所がアンコールワットしかないからだよ・・・・・泣
もちろんアンコールワットも有名だけど、カンボジア人の温かさに触れて永住を決める日本人も多いみたいだよ
もちろん仕事の関係で現地で働いている日本人もいるし
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>>134207104
I can, it's just that after 10 minutes I switch to something else and time disappears somehow.

>>134207107
Thank you. Today is the day!
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>>134207207
隣国とは仲悪い説はかんぼじあも同じかな?おにいちゃん
ええと、多分マレーシアとヴェトナム?
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>>134207253
うっぜえええええええええええええ

いっつもそういう隣国がどうとか臭い話してんの?
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>>134207207
両親はどっちもTheカンボジア人だよw

>カンボジア人の温かさに触れて永住を決める日本人も多いみたいだよ
本当に温かかったら俺たちは日本に移民なんてしないよ・・・・まあ、人によるけどね
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>>134207360
まあ、内戦はアメリカやら共産主義者やらのせいであって、カンボジア国民には罪はないよ
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二千十五年だ。
二千十六年じゃない。
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>>134207063
I don't know where you from, but Japanese people like reading more than most people in tha world.
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>>134207253
マレーシアはわからないけどヴェトナムからは馬鹿にされてるよ泣
そもそもマレーシアは隣国じゃないぞ!w
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>>134207561
When I was a kid people loved to read those CYOA type books and sci-fi and all that good stuff. The teacher would catch people reading under their desks in class.

Nowadays, even six year olds own iPhones and reading has become a hobby for pretentious hipsters. It really, really sucks.
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>>134207451
fucking americans are so slow, it's already 2016 in my timezone
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For my new years resolution, I'm going to go to the gym, eat better, read more, find a girlfriend, move out of my parents house, be more grateful and stop making such silly jokes ;^)
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>>134207636
>reading has become a hobby for pretentious hipsters

r really?
That's a big cultural difference between Japan and your country. In japan, reading is one of the most common hobbies like watching movie or travelling.
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>>134207923
Start now instead
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>>134207939
You first.
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>>134207931
It's the case in most Westernised countries. People who read books that aren't young adult fiction are pretty much all pretentious fags who lean to the left. I suppose this is the result of normalfag culture perpetuating the idea that doing things alone makes you a loser virgin.
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>>134208008
Both my parents are normal people who read every day before bed. Stop making these retarded assumptions.
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>>134206831
I'm rather curious how many people read books in the West. Is reading culture completely banished there?
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>>134207923
Speaking of, is there anyone still here who started learning Japanese as their 2015 new year's resolution? How much progress have you made since then?
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>>134208008
That's horrible... I really feel thanking our grandparents fought against Westerners to protect our culture.
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>>134207634
まちがえてごめんなさい。おしえてくれてありがとう。

日本と同じで土掘っても何も出てこないみたいね。
せめてなんか鉱石が出ればとおもって、ほってたらアンコールワット掘り当てちゃったのかな
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>>134208022
>normal people

nice projection retard
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>>134208022
Talking about young people here
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>>134208008
>Some Americans think the man who is reading book is gay

I was really shocked when I heard this kind of joke.
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>>134208338
They'll be reading books too when they grow up.
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>>134208008
Stop projecting you dumb faggot.
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>>134208008
>Why read when you can just flip on the tube?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwkdGr9JYmE
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Are there actually any good audio resources for learning Japanese? Things that one could use while driving or working out. Most of the podcasts and similar resources that I've seen have been utter shit.
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>>134208699
Just stick on Japanese radio, or Japanese children's programs.

There's a whole bunch on iTunes U. Today I learned about pond-skaters.
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>>134208675
The absolute legend, my favourite comedian
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Is 6'1 considered very tall in Japan?
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>>134208848
fucking manlet
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>>134208699
https://jclab.wordpress.com/
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>>134208911
ありがとう
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>>134208801
He's dead though.
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>>134205772
>>134206543
>>134206794
>>134206436
>twf subhuman Cambodian speaks Japanese better than me
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>>134208312
I don't know what the fuck are you trying to say.
Your Japanese is far shittier than the Cambodian guy (his Japanese is perfect in fact)
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>Can't read Hanahira!
Y'all got anything easier?
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>>134209176
just give up
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>>134209176
even i can read hanahira and i've literally done nothing but watch, like, 350 hours of english-subbed anime
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>>134209200
You'll never learn if you don't watch more anime. Step it up.
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>>134208526
I don't think people didn't read book in his young age will not read book forever. Japanese students are reading books in school as a leisure, young people are the people who read books the most. I don't read books now as many as that time.
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>>134209242
>I don't think people didn't read book in his young age will not read book forever.
*I think

oops...
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>>134209200
>350 hours
I was going to make a shitpost about it but I realized I have at least 1500 hours
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I'm thinking of taking a class to learn Jap. This self study isn't working for me. I don't have the resources you need.
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>>134209097
Don't blame 12 yerars old girl
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>>134209315
Yes you do.
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>>134209315
the resources are in the OP
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>>134209176
Assuming you've already read a couple volumes of Yotsuba, try Flyable Heart. I actually found that aside from the higher vocab count. Hanahira's colloquial retarded moeblob writing was too confusing for me. Granted, the MC's dad will throw you 3 line sentences constantly at the beginning, so be ready for that.
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>>134209327
He's over 30 years middle aged man.
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>>134209343
>Hanahira's colloquial retarded moeblob writing was too confusing for me.
>hurr i don't get what the "nyuu" and "pokipoki" at the end means
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>>134209327
>4chan is 18+ website
So if I report it, it will stop shitposting?
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>>134209343
>Assuming you've already read a couple volumes of Yotsuba
Why would you assume that? I can't even read I don't think.
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>>134209331
>>134209332
>10:16:55
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>>134209390
>slurring, slang, and incomplete implied sentences, making looking stuff up confusing, especially when the text hooker or rikai won't pick up any of it
Coming off of Yotsuba, I found Flyable Heart easier than Hanahira. If it was the opposite for you, then cool. No need to be a dick, friend.
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>>134209545
>Using the google translator
>Why is it hard to understand?
I wonder.
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>>134209545
>>slurring, slang, and incomplete implied sentences,
EVERYTHING a beginner could read has that.
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>>134209097
I think imouto is Chinese weeaboo so I don't blame his Japanese is so shit.
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There's literally nothing wrong with shitposting as long as you do it in japanese.
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>>134209097
>mt stupid thinks he knows it all
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>>134209679
But as Japanese native, his shitposts are irritating just like what you feel when you see English shitposts.
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>日本と同じで土掘っても何も出てこないみたいね。
>日本と似ているのは、採掘場が少ないことだね。
>石油・石炭・金属などなどの地下資源に乏しいところが、日本と似ているね。
>鉱物・化石資源に恵まれていない地理的条件で日本と相似だね。

>>134209327
おにいちゃんは、どこまでNo rikaisamaで読める?
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>>134209390
擬音はある意味恋の呪文
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Please help me with grammar.
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>>134209545
This was probably because Hanahira is absolute garbage, and FH is just average.

How compelling the content is, changes the perceived difficulty. Honestly, you should always be reading stuff that's a little harder than you're comfortable with, that's when you learn the most.
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Just read dat YOTSUBER
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>>134209580
Why would you leave the translate part of the text hooker on? Hell, why would you even leave the color highlighting of the text hooker on? When you're completely lost on a sentence are you telling me you just skip it and don't bother trying to use a dictionary or look things up? And that a text hooker doesn't speed that process up? Don't be ridiculous, anon.

>>134209621
Yeah, Yotsuba and Flyable Heart both have that, but Hanahira was to a greater extent for me. All I was saying was that Flyable Heart was genuinely easier to read for me for whatever reason.
There's not really any point in arguing over this though as I'm speaking from personal experience. If you feel like you know what my personal experience was better than I do, then feel free to get the last word in if that makes you feel better.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36l9ngO2gLA

Feeling festive, DJT?
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>>134210100
Nigga I can't read.
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>>134210169
Why the dislikes?
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>>134210169
Chill your beans, it's still more than three weeks away.
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>>134210100
>why would you even leave the color highlighting of the text hooker on?
Because I don't know how to turn it off.
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>>134208312
So you're Chinese thus you're interested in underground resources in neighbor countries?
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>>134210196
Every one of the related songs in the sidebar has about the same ratio of dislikes. I think it's just the high pitched children singing.
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>>134210196
Japs hate happy things if they can't wank to them.
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how do I say someone is satisfied
do I have to add の to 満ち足りる as well?
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Mind if I ask which kanji this is? It's really fucking with me on look-up.
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>>134210473
操る
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>>134210460
満足する
This is the most normal way to say it.
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>>134210460
Use 満足
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>stop coming to this thread
>now learning faster
t-thanks
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>>134210750
You've discovered the true secret to learning Japanese. Dekinai-chan is real, but she is eternally trapped in this thread.
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Does anyone know what からのー means? I'm sure it's a slang for something but I'm not sure what exactly
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>>134210805
彼の
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>>134210533

Awesome. Now the sentence makes more sense. Thank you!
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>>134210805
It's her catchphrase.
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吾輩を猫である
名前へまだない
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>>134210805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9QUz9kh4tc

This is originally from a comedian's catchphrase.
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Do you know what ateji is?
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>>134210840
Hmm. Probably not "kare no-"

>>134210918
I'm sorry, whose? I've seen it written on a line sticker
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>>134211068
Oooh, I see. Didn't see your post before replying. Thanks a lot!
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Please help.
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>>134211187
しゃぶれ
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>>134211187
Herepu janakatta.
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>>134210805
>からのー

つまらない話をしたお前が悪い、埋め合わせに面白い話を早くしろ。の脅迫で使うかも
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>>134211259
そんな使い方するのお前みたいに性格悪い奴だけ
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>>134211259
Did anyone try to explain to this guy that avatarfagging is frowned upon?
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>>134211339
You tell him that, mate.
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>>134211339
imouto's probably the only poster I don't mind doing it. I do wish he'd at least mix things up and use pictures from other anime (like NNB, since he's posted a few Renge pictures) more often, though.
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So if I asked you to read

たらの芽
世のなか
つかの間
素のじぶん

aloud, I'd get a laugh?

Because that was the correct answer, and if it's true I'm speaking to someone who read Dies Irae I'm starting to believe you didn't understand a word of it. Literally grade school kanji with extremely simple readings.

this is the last response if you're not willing to continue the conversation here
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>>134211072
>>134211450
Warning, these guys are a bunch of Vitagenners.
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>>134211072
>>134211517
Fuck off
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http://strawpoll.me/6150291

Apparently this is a good test of Japanese knowledge
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>>134211517
One guy trolls vitagen and they get so mad they never forget. sasuga.
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I assume someone I have filtered is posting a lot, since I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
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>>134211622
Shitposters and EOPs are flooding the thread
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>>134209773
Savage.
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>>134211622
Only scumbags and safe space pussies filter posts.
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I DID IT GUYS
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>>134211696
Yes, mr. south park, let's expose ourselves to worthless trash posts for no reason, wouldn't want to be like tumblr now.
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>>134211745
Okay, yeah. Let's bury our heads in the sand, yeah.
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>>134211730
よくがんばったね。おにいちゃん
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>>134211791
I don't go to /v/, because 90% of the posts there are teenagers who do nothing but spout shit. I guess that makes me a coward, huh?
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>>134211867
There's a difference between simply not going to places you don't like and going but hiding everything.
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>>134211838
ありがとう!僕はまだまだだけど、大喜びだ。
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>>134211913
Calm down I just filter tripfags, spam, and trash memes like "desu". It's not like I go through every thread hiding posts that hurt my feelings.
>>


wipeout™
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>>134211969
Oh look, the trash meme that I mentioned already has a BUILT IN filter by 4chan. Guess everyone here is in a safe space.
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