Why does human meat disgust CZ?
Jesus Christ, I just made the previous thread because I had finished watching the anime, I didn't expect there'll be this much interest
>Agreed, but when an inhuman monster slays 250.000 of them (because the Kingdom's soldiers are conscripts after all), this isn't just an attack on a few uppity noblemen, it constitutes an attack on mankind. The LN explicitly states that this what most humans on the field felt that day. Even the Empire's soldiers felt sick.
I understand that, but at the same time it is not relevant to most people not directly impacted by the deaths. An 'attack on mankind' matters very little indeed when your own land benefits. That's how humans are, esp. if the attacker of mankind ceases to attack mankind.
>Well, that remains to be seen. If Ainz will for some reason stop being such an asshole now and treat his human subjects fairly, then I will accept that it might have been worth it. But as is, it's not looking too bright.
Yes, that's sort of the hinging point. I do doubt he'll be an asshole however - he has never, EVER harmed his own subjects after they've accepted his rule and in fact is incredibly offended when someone even suggests trying to, since they are considered people he has sworn to protect.
>What an odd example. Vlad Tepes is regarded by modern Romanians to be a hero, but that didn't really matter for his situation at the time. Certainly, a lot of people supported him because they feared the muslims from the east, but I don't really see how it relates to Ainz.
In that his actions are hardly humane (imapling 30k dudes on sticks to make a forest isn't the height of being humane) but he is still regarded with awe and respect, not hatred.
>you're just too afraid to accept that some people find certain parts of the LNs imperfect
I'm not even him but this is a ridiculous accusation.
>Plenty of options really. It depends on his goal.
His goal was to take E-Rantel as well as smoke out players in the Kingdom once and for all.
The Kingdom would not have given E-Rantel up without a fight and simply putting down the Super Tier magic after setting it up would've been embarassing to say the least.
>He could take given other terms instead of just bullying them into going to war against the Kingdom. That is what motivated the Emperor to conspire after all.
Actually, the Emperor himself was surprised at how damn good the terms were and how little Ainz pushed for better terms.
>Or, he could just assassinate the emperor.
Can you actually, you know, tell us WHY you think killing the leader will do something instead of claiming over and over that it will in fact work when evidence to the contrary, both logical and historical example-wise, has been provided repeatedly?
>Ainz didn't even WANT to defend the village
Sure, but that doesn't really solve the problem: Ainz' insta-transformation into a dickhead from a demure MMO player in a span of a few chapters. That's not interesting character development, that's jumping the gun.
>We're going forward seeing Dorfs
Yes, so as suspected, Overlord shares many things with ASOIAF: Great and entertaining world-building, but lack of meaningful plot development. I absolutely LOVE the world that the author paints and even the base characters he introduces, but I'm consistently disappointed with what he does with them after that.
>From volume 10 on he'll have a new problem
And hopefully it will be a bit different from how it is right now! Like I said in my very first post ITT, volume 9 was a mixed bag to me, so I hope future volumes will spice things up.
>This is the reason why arguing plot is pointless
We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. It is pointless to argue "to be right" of course, but it's still possible to discuss how you feel about each volume, and whether or not you like the direction the story is moving.
>It's not meant to be shocking
I disagree. Especially volume 7 reeks of "oh boy, I bet you thought these characters were pretty cute, NOW WATCH THEM DIE HORRIBLY! :D:D"
>It tries to tell you that yes, people die, and plot armor isn't a thing.
Again, this is good in doses, but ASoIaF feels like a parody of itself at this point. (A matter of taste of course.)
>I think I understand your point better now
>a word that stands out is "unmotivated."
I'd advise you not to think so hard about individual words, but rather consider the whole post in context. What I mean by "unmotivated" in this particular context is that it doesn't serve a good purpose for the overall narrative. It feels like "violence for violence's sake", so to speak. Ainz might have had the best of reasons for it, but that doesn't mean it fits into the story.
>the sorcerer king has utterly annihilated the opposing army with his opening spell, which killed the entire left wing of their force at the start and then summoned 5 horrific creatures that proceeded to eliminate the remainder
>Gazef Stronoff was effortlessly defeated by the sorcerer king himself in single combat
>our forces did not move from their position and incurred no losses, but morale is at an all time low
>demure MMO player
Are we even reading the same series?
Ainz was an edgy chunni ronery kissless virgin faggot that cried like a bitch and refused to acknowledge his guild fell apart.
Im surprised he hasnt gone full power fantasy and wiped the entire world, like most angsty faggots post about doing.
If you didn't notice, this isn't the real world. Ainz could EASILY murder the heads of state, and repeat it endlessly regardless of security measures. But like I said, that's just one of many possibilities.
>1. Ainz's goal is not conquest but security and finding any friends that might be stranded in the world.
Then I would argue he's going about it the wrong way.
>2. He needs to keep up the image of overlord in order to prevent rebellion as the NPCs are capable of independent action.
I understand this, but it doesn't seem like he even wants to do anything else at this point. He's basically given up, he's just following whatever Demiurge says now.
>3. Torturing his prisoners for information was perfectly expected, seeing that these guys totally had it coming, Ainz lost his human squeemishness and they had no knowledge of their surroundings or the world.
That isn't relevant to the argument. I'm saying it would be more interesting to have character development than to... NOT have character development.
>4. Song of Ice and Fire is not overindulgent in unmotivated violence and gore, pretty much all of it happens for a reason. Only one who was overindulgent in that area was Joffrey.
I disagree, and I can see you also misunderstood what I meant by "unmotivated violence". It's unmotivated in the context of the narrative, not that people in the story don't have motives for it themselves.
>If you didn't notice, this isn't the real world. Ainz could EASILY murder the heads of state, and repeat it endlessly regardless of security measures. But like I said, that's just one of many possibilities.
But it dosn't do anything at all besides make people mad as fuck.
>It's unmotivated in the context of the narrative
Ok, I get it now.
You like closely-tied stories with a main group of characters, that's the problem here.
>Ainz has the means to do both, but NOT before gaining territory and subjects of his own.
It's not a great way to start off, in my opinion, but fair enough. I hope you're proven correct and Ainz will show a more magnanimous side.
>even showcasing all of Nazarick before the Empire did not work.
Demiurge never intended it to work.
>He says "fear is good, love is better, both is best, but never, EVER get yourself hated"
Umh, that's exactly what I said as well.
>Ainz hasn't gotten himself hated.
By pretty much all humans present at the battle, he has.
>He's feared by his enemies, loved and viewed with awe by his subjects (if carne and lizards are representative)
Pretty much all of was given to him for free. Still, good point about the lizards and Carne village. I hope we'll see more of them, and that E-Rantel will prosper likewise under his care. If that happens, I will be most pleased.
>Which would do squat besides making the subjects angry, see Archduke Ferdinand
I think you're severely underestimating Nazarick. WW1 could have been averted if suddenly a Guardian came and murdered not just one, but EVERY head of state who ever tried anything. It's not like anyone can even touch the Guardians. This would have been both effective, and caused less loss of life. Of course, somehow I think the objectively evil Demiurge would take issue with that.
>Leaders are not powerful men, they are intelligent men who know how to manage shit.
Exactly, which is why brute-force killing the entire peasant army of a nation is a bad idea. I'm not suggesting killing every capable leader in the country, but definitely make sure that whoever is on top is loyal to Nazarick. But who knows, it was just an alternative idea.
Im pretty sure the 6 legions the Empire had there are no longer combat ready since they now consist of stringless puppets.
Even if you murder heads of state repeatedly, that only leads to the conclusion that nobody's going to become the head of state.
What you'll be left is a splintered nation or a nation that has it's strings being pulled from shadows by terrorist organizations.
Guys, can we leave this debate until the end of the thread?
To the contrary I doubt they'll falter in face of anything short of Nazarick now.
>By pretty much all humans present at the battle, he has.
No, the humans that survived that battle, are too fucking terrified to do anything but cry.
TheEmpire soldiers were weeping and praying for the Kingdom soldiers ffs.
>To the contrary I doubt they'll falter in face of anything
Brain was a mess after his encounter with Shalltear.
Im guessing most of the Empires Soldiers are facing the same trauma.
They cant sleep because of nightmares.
They cant eat because of hopelessness.
They cant get it up because
>Brain was a mess after his encounter with Shalltear.
But Brain was a mess primarily because he literally thought he was the STRONGEST or at least close to it and his entire life revolved around this axiom being true.
Hey, they asked a guy called the Sorcerer King to cast a spell. And that's what he did. They have nobody to blame but themselves. Actually, they could blame the Emperor for asking him to do that.
well then look what happened to Brita.
Im willing to bet the Empire is going to have massive desertion problems.
1 of the 4 Elites basically said "Im fucking off as soon as I can" to the Emperor himself.
>Kill the king
Everyone is mad as fuck. The guy next in line takes the throne and declares war on you.
>Kill that guy.
Everyone is doublemad and the guy next in line takes the throne, but works behind the scenes to undermine you.
>Kill that guy once you figure out what he's up to.
Nobody wants to become the ruler. You install a puppet.
Nobody gives a shit what the puppet says. The loyal citizens will conspire against you in the shadows.
>You kill the leaders of the rebels.
The rebels scatter and go underground and operate independently.
>You kill the leaders of the independent cells and detain the activists.
Now everybody hates and fears you, but will not speak out against you.
>Single handedly defeat the opposing army in the first battle.
>Citizens and their leaders fear you.
>They look up to their leaders for guidance instead of turning into rebelscum.
>People live in fear of you, but do not need to live under an iron fist.
He doesn't have to reveal that he's undead though. He has clearly demonstrated as Momon that he's capable of deceiving them. And what he's currently doing isn't exactly making a good case for himself.
I guess we see things differently. Peasants are needed for tending to the farms, while a puppet king is easily replaced, especially if you give the people incentive to rally behind you instead.
I believe I already answered this one. The parameters for Overlord and WW1 are very different.
Perhaps you should heed your own advice. Anyway, it's not like Machiavelli is right about everything. My point was that people often misunderstand that quote to mean "good rulers are cruel", what that isn't what he meant at all.
>the fact that there's somebody with a world class item running around that's hostile
...is another good reason to lay low. It's a matter of opinion, but bursting out in the open like this only exposes you. Regardless, I don't think that's sufficient justification for not calling the slaughter of 250.000 people evil.
Only if they want to keep fighting him. Now is a good time to get on good terms with Ainz, Jircnev - oh wait, you have nothing to offer. Good luck, roll 1d20 for survival, DC is 10.
Meaning [a] spell might be DMM, [strongest spell] is going to be a super tier.
>puppeting rulers isn't a good way to make your subjects happy
Like another anon said, at the end of the day the peasants care about food on their table, not who's king. Of course the nobility will be unhappy, but they're less sympathetic than the peasants from what we've seen.
Yeah sorry, that got a bit short since I was running out of space. My point was that after Ainz threw the mask off, it's more of a species survival situation for the humans. It's more akin to an alien force landing and making us slaves, which is a lot harder to swallow than another warlord coming to rule over you.
>Has never worked in the long run in the history of mankind.
Because they don't have overwhelming power like Ainz has.
>As an undead he is subject to eternal suspicion and there is no reason to remain as a subject when he can be the liege.
No need to show them he's undead. And it all depends on his goal. If his goal really is to find his friends, then making a ton of enemies might not be the best way to go about it.
>That's true but also unlikely to be to his taste.
Right, but that's hardly an argument not to do it, or that there aren't more effective ways. This is sort of my point actually, that Ainz is kind of a dick for no reason other than "screw you, I make my own rules" (or rather, "Demiurge makes them for me".)
>Which is true of any intelligent war, getting soldiers into the right place at the right time so you can kill them all.
That's kind of a depressing view of history. I think it's more realistic to say that it's to get soldiers in a position where you get what you want, preferably without any fighting at all. Killing people have never been a goal in itself.
Haha, well Demiurge inadvertently manipulated him into manipulating them I suppose!
>I guess we see things differently. Peasants are needed for tending to the farms, while a puppet king is easily replaced, especially if you give the people incentive to rally behind you instead.
I'm not sure about the farming thing, he does have outside knowledge (I seem to recall Renner introducing revolutionary three-field crop rotation, not even four field) as well as skellington farmers if needed.
Also, the thing is that puppet kings are obvious puppets and it's easy to get people to rally behind resistance, especially since Jircnev was a ruler more or less beloved by all.
That was me, but the death of a ruler is very easy to get people riled up especially since it's assassination as opposed to war. Yes, it's semantics but semantics is surprisingly powerful in the battle for followers.
>depressing view of history
I did say war. Most of the time the goal is solve the problem without war because it's bad for both sides.
>WW1 could have been averted if suddenly a Guardian came and murdered not just one, but EVERY head of state who ever tried anything.
Not really, what would have happened is that all the empires would have fell into a state of civil war as there were a fuckload of countries that wanted independence.
>Russian Bolshevik revolution, Turkish revolution starts and rest of the Ottoman empire starts to fall apart as in series of civil conflicts, Finland secede from Russia and goes civil war, Austria-Hungary goes into civil war, Poland tries to secede from Germany and another civil war sparks, India sees a chance for indepence with the british royal family constantly being killed off and goes into a civil war over trying to gain independence.
Most of WW1 civil wars were averted by promising independence and land after the war to those that desired it, if they were to become allies of the powers they currently belonged to.
This is also one of the reasons why the war lasted so long as it did. Even after everybody's professional armies were wiped out and only conscripts were left.
When you make a controversial claim like "I found the latest volume to be lacking", then of course a lot of discussion will be generated.
>"Hey emperor, I found a tomb with a fuckload of treasure."
That's basically entrapment though. For all anyone knew, the tomb was empty and abandoned.
>And no, if you said "I have a lot of cash in my house" to someone, he would still be the bad guy if he tried to steal from you.
Right, but in this situation, you'd tell someone that they OUGHT to do it, and wouldn't tell that it was actually owned by you and that you'd get really mad if they did it. That changes the situation quite a bit, especially when you afterwards decided to retaliate by having random underlings eaten to death by cockroaches for following your plan.
It's hard to describe that plan as anything but evil.
They're well off now, and I would like it if E-Rantel turned out the same way. But so far, Ainz doesn't really seem to care about their well-being, it just kinda turned out that way.
In what way has it seemed like he didn't care about them? He has one of his Battle Maids stationed in Carne Village for protection and has basically given them anything they requested. You guys want walls? Here's massive golems, the walls will be done in an hour.
The only reason he hasn't done more for them is because they haven't asked for more.
>not relevant to most people not directly impacted by the deaths
After such a loss, it will be felt by the Kingdom, especially since they were conscripts. (Think of all the families and friends, etc.) There's also something about the nature of their deaths. Being killed in glorious combat is different from being horribly massacred by an massive lovecraftian monster.
>An 'attack on mankind' matters very little indeed when your own land benefits
That's not how it appeared though, with even the Empire's soldiers being terrified and feeling sympathy for their once-hated enemies.
>That's how humans are, esp. if the attacker of mankind ceases to attack mankind.
Unified threats to the existence of a group will generally speaking stop the internal feuds, but perhaps not in time to stem the tide. (Especially not in the case of Nazarick.) If aliens attacked the US tomorrow, I don't think the russians would be all happy about it, because they would understand that they would be next.
>he has never, EVER harmed his own subjects
Well, it seems likely he had a hand in sending hordes at Carne village to test their defenses. Of course, he guaranteed the safety of his assets (Nfirea and Enri), but the villagers were free game. But I do hope you're right.
>he is still regarded with awe and respect, not hatred.
Eh, that's mostly for romanian nationals. By historians, he's considered a deft general, and by most, he's considered a bloodthirsty vampire. (lel)
Point is, the relevant thing is how he was regarded when he was alive, not after.
>I'm not even him but this is a ridiculous accusation.
Really? Because this happens in every "X general" thread when you criticize the source material. Of course the reasons might be more complex, but it more or less breaks down to "how dare you criticize my favorite animu!"
Of course, discussion has been mostly civilized, so I'm happy to retract that statement. (Though all these replies makes it hard to keep up...)
>There's also something about the nature of their deaths. Being killed in glorious combat is different from being horribly massacred by an massive lovecraftian monster.
hey now, a third of them died peacefully and with no pain. That's gotta mean something.
>His goal was to take E-Rantel
Why though? I'm fairly certain it's because Demiurge thinks he wants to conquer it all, but really, all he has stated he wants to is find his friends.
>the Emperor himself was surprised at how damn good the terms were and how little Ainz pushed for better terms
Exactly. He could have done something more there instead of just immediately deciding to push for mass slaughter.
>tell us WHY you think killing the leader will do something
I regard it as self-evident, but okay: You kill the head of state and install a puppet. If there is a usurpation, you repeat the process. No doubt the usurper will have massively increased security since he knows what happened to the last one, but it's not like that would matter against Nazarick's agents. Now, you can also just post a single maid or perhaps just a Death Knight to "guard" your puppet to avoid this situation altogether.
>evidence to the contrary, both logical and historical example-wise
Not sure you've made any attempt at explaining why it wouldn't work logically, but like I've already said, historical examples are of little worth when nobody in history had access to the sort of personal power Nazarick can muster.
But Ainz didn't push for the slaughter. The Bloody Emperor did. He was the one who told Ainz to use his strongest spell. We don't know what Ainz's initial plan was, but he must certainly changed it after being requested to demonstrate as much power as possible.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
It's true that vampires have more homo tendencies than other types of monsters, but that doesn't mean she's exclusively a carpet-muncher
To be fair, we don't really get a good description of him before he's transformed into a lich, so it's hard to say. It might have been like you said, but that wouldn't explain why he's so afraid to take command of the situation.
Yes, but the salient point is that he has very little character development, since he's just IMMEDIATELY a dick. Currently, he's kinda just sinking into corruption by power. I hope we get to see a sort of redemption arc at some point, but I doubt it.
>But it dosn't do anything at all besides make people mad as fuck.
It removes the head of the snake, and then you can insert a puppet. (Preferably with strings still intact.) This would accomplish a lot, I think.
>You like closely-tied stories with a main group of characters, that's the problem here.
Hmm, no. I don't think that's right. I merely dislike the author trying to impress the audience with shock value time after time again. It gets old.
But he's clearly not an angel, but a monster. An overwhelming one at that, but there's no reason to make everyone think Armageddon has arrived just because you want to conquer a few countries.
>the conclusion that nobody's going to become the head of state
Well, except for your puppets of course.
>or a nation that has it's strings being pulled from shadows by terrorist organizations.
Like... Nazarick for example!
>Guys, can we leave this debate until the end of the thread?
Well, eventually they'll sober up.
>Everyone is mad as fuck
Nobles yes, peasants less so.
>The guy next in line takes the throne
...and he works for you. Of course you don't ONLY kill the king, without grooming a good replacement for him beforehand.
>Nobody gives a shit what the puppet says
They will once he's the one who controls the grain distribution. Also, this doesn't need to be done in pubic. It might be better to make a more subtle approach.
Anyway, I think you vastly overestimate the average citizen's initiative.
>They look up to their leaders for guidance instead of turning into rebelscum
Except since armageddon has clearly arrived, there will be anarchy and chaos, especially with the army also acting as a sort of police force gone.
Now that is a brilliant idea!
>puppet kings are obvious puppets and it's easy to get people to rally behind resistance
The people will be calm as long as they get their food and safety, especially against an overwhelming force like Nazarick. (You could show your might in other ways than to murder that many people.)
>Jircnev was a ruler more or less beloved by all
Yes, it would be a shame to replace him. Unfortunately, that is going to have to happen anyway, as he's far too conniving to let live in either scenario.
>[H]e's just IMMEDIATELY a dick. Currently, he's kinda just sinking into corruption by power.
Are we reading the same series? He's not being corrupted by power, he is having his "humanity" suppressed by his existence as a Lich.
>But he's clearly not an angel, but a monster. An overwhelming one at that, but there's no reason to make everyone think Armageddon has arrived just because you want to conquer a few countries.
Other anons have already pointed out why it was necessary to display overwhelming power.
No argument here. This losing has been much more interesting than 600 posts of "IMAGINE FUCKING LUPUS"
>the text on that pic
>Ainz-sama is beautiful but...
>The Pleiades are quite beautiful as well
Yeah, she definitely wants some Pleiades pussy
>the death of a ruler is very easy to get people riled up
I see your point, but you could also go for the other option of doing it behind the scenes. It should be easy for Ainz to cause a sudden heart attack for example, and groom someone else to take the throne. (Consider how quickly he convinced Fluder. He's a special case, but it demonstrates how easy it is to get a few key people to support you without having to go to war.)
>I did say war
You did, but even so, Sun Tzu teaches us (sorry, that sounds rather corny doesn't it) that it's better to let the enemy have an opening, that just so happens to beneficial for you, even in a pitched battle. The goal is for the enemy to surrender, not to kill them to the last man.
Right, hence the puppets.
>WW1 civil wars
I honestly have little interest in debating speculative history with you. My point remains, Overlord has too many factors that don't exist in the real world, so it's folly to compare them so directly.
>He has one of his Battle Maids stationed in Carne Village
Yes, to protect Nfirea and to a lesser degree Enri, because they're assets to Nazarick. The rest of the villagers can die for all he cares. This much is clear by his own admission, and his actions.
I think that remains to be seen. At least there wasn't a immediate sack and massacre, and the kid survived, but I'm not sure I'd count that as a win. (Also, the kid was forced into it by Demiurge, that asshole.)
>Can we stop this argument?
Why? /a/ is a board for the discussion of animu and mango, right? (Well, this is LN material of course, but I don't see why it's so bad.)
Well, the emperor didn't know anything about how strong it would be. Ainz did. Ainz is a free agent, certainly in this situation. He doesn't have to adhere to the emperor's wishes.
Right, so you support them. In the current situation, the heads of state WILL eventually be puppets or killed regardless. (We'll see about Renner though, I have a slight hope she might provide some amusement.)
>Are we reading the same series? He's not being corrupted by power, he is having his "humanity" suppressed by his existence as a Lich.
Well, that and he has found out that practically nobody has the power to stop him from doing anything. That is essentially what the whole "absolute power corrupts absolutely" quote stems from. Of course, his existence as an amoral lich certainly helps this development.
>Other anons have already pointed out why it was necessary to display overwhelming power.
And I've pointed out that I think there are other ways to do that, and indeed that it's not all that necessary at all!
>No argument here. This losing has been much more interesting than 600 posts of "IMAGINE FUCKING LUPUS"
I agree. I generally steer clear of these threads because there's very little of actual substance being discussed. Of course, replying to everything is very tiresome, so I think I'm gonna stop soon. But thanks for indulging me. I can definitely see your points, I'm not saying you're all wrong. My first post was bluntly stating my opinion on volume 9 after all.
All Pleiades are for lewding
Ah shucks, you're right! Hmm, that really does beg the question why you'd go to all this effort to conquer the lands though. With Ainz illusion spells (though I'm sure best boy has access to some of his own), Demiurge can surely infiltrate any nation and gain control over it from the shadows without any of this "display of power" nonsense.
Thanks anon, that's a really good point.
That is definitely a good indication. Let's hope they don't end up like the lizardmen, being a footnote for the rest of the story. It would be a bit of a cop-out to leave it at that one line.
Ah, forgot about Nemu. I think the best option for any citizen of the NW is to get the opportunity to give compliments to Ainz about him or his guild. That really seem to be the way to his "heart".
Even before the line saying he managed to pull it off we already knew that the plan was to live peacefully with them, remember when Demiurge 'understood' why Ainz created the adventurer Momon?
The incident with the child was also orchestrated for the purpose of keeping the peace, by letting Momon start 'protecting' the people as soon as Ainz arrived so I don't think it's fair to call Demiurge an asshole for doing it.
I thought Demi wasn't really trying there; he just spoke authoritatively without casting a spell and his powers were strong enough to naturally dominate most people there. Any DnDfags know more about how mind control would work there?
>"...Although, by my estimation, the exact nature of those motives can be narrowed down to two options, but which of them is correct? Or perhaps, the third…”
>Demiurge was immune to fire, [b]yet sweat drops began forming on his forehead.[/b]
From the looks of it Demiurge might be in the same position as Ainz
Xykon is surprisingly similar to Ainz... In several aspects.
>since he's just IMMEDIATELY a dick.
I hate to resurrect this argument, but that other anon is right. It seems like you're reading the entirely different series. How many times have people pointed out to you that his humanity is almost gone ever since the beginning? How exactly is he an IMMEDIATE dick when it's already stated from the very beginning? Hell, even if you're anime-only watchers, it's clearly stated, not in anyway subtly hinted that his morality is fucked when he transformed to a real Overlord Elder Lich. Really, how exactly you get the idea that it's immediate? For someone who constantly bitch about narratives and whatnot, aren't you the one that fail to grasp that point early on, and build your entire ideas from your own misconception?
Oh well, I rather this argument just die asap because we're just going in circles now, but I just feel like I needed to point that out.
That's how Demi's Domination Mantra works, we don't know if he has actual mind control.
It is a racial passive.
No, that's just a general rule for any species that isn't affected by age (undead, demons, angels, etc.).
Would a player be able to select Dragon as a race? If so were they literally dragons or dragonic humanoids? Is there any illustration available that shows Draudillon Oriculus (the dragon queen)?
When did that get added
They probably can and probably literally dragons (smaller, maybe).
Where did you get that name, no there is not an illustration of the not-loli Dragon Queen.
Yes but Dragons aren't Humans.
You picked a basic race then tacked on 'evolutions' so to speak as you gained levels - humanoids didn't have racial levels (beyond maybe the label), demihumans can't evolve and heteromorphs can evolve.
>Would a player be able to select Dragon as a race?
They probably unlock it after leveling up some other races.
>If so were they literally dragons or dragonic humanoids?
Both I think because Yggdrasil was described as a huge game with lots of options.
did they ever explain how the second goblin hoard summon 5000?
my guess is it summons the same number of enemies but there were 3 conditions that were never explained.
I meant before the New World, would players be able to pick a Dragon as their race (like they could pick skellington, jello, etc).
A Dragon Min/Maxer would probably be pretty OP. An Angel too, if Ainz was an angel the Theocracy would've probably welcomed him as their leader (or try to control him).
that grinds my gears almost as bad as the rushed ending of volume 9.
am I the only one who enjoyed the lizard and climb arc? it was indirect way to show off the guardian's power
Are Goblins usually supposed to be buff and super manly looking?
I enjoyed Lizards. I detested Climb's introduction and any scenes with him involved but I liked the overall arc.
How is it rushed?
>Dragon Minmaxer would be pretty OP
That depends on racials and weaknesses, and minmaxer is by definition OP.
Lizard was pretty fun, Climb not so much. I liked the chapters about Sebas especially when
he arrived at the mansion and Ainz was waiting for him you could feel he was sweating bullets. The same happened to Lupus, those scenes were great.
Never said anything about humans. My doubt was if the Dragon race was an NPC only race or could be picked. I mean I could understand if you could pick a dragonic humanoid (not human, i mean 2 legs 2 arms maybe wings), but literally a dragon is kinda weird.
>To be fair, we don't really get a good description
All have given us tiny hints each as to how Ainz was when he was human.
And it all paints a Loleny 30 something salaryman, that had nothing in life aside from his job and P2W MMO where he dumped 12 years worth of cash.
The dude had some serious issues and its surprising he hasnt gone power hungry like the greed kings did.
You could literally be a slime, a goblin, an angel, a succubutt (in a SFW game wtf), a giant, a golem, or a goat-headed demon
This game pulled all the stops, there were probably level 100 no-class-levels Metal Slimes rolling around with infinite defense and even higher evasion.
>And I've pointed out that I think there are other ways to do that, and indeed that it's not all that necessary at all!
Since Puppeting a King has been disproven by several times by things inside and outside the Novel, can you state any more ideas?
>level 100 no-class-levels Metal Slimes rolling around with infinite defense and even higher evasion
Sort of wish Albedo was a metal slime now.
>Ah shucks, you're right! Hmm, that really does beg the question why you'd go to all this effort to conquer the lands though. With Ainz illusion spells (though I'm sure best boy has access to some of his own), Demiurge can surely infiltrate any nation and gain control over it from the shadows without any of this "display of power" nonsense.
>Thanks anon, that's a really good point.
The Kingdom was a fractured country, with Nobles viying for power and on the brink of a civil war.
You kill the King, a civil war will break out
You MC the King, a civil war will break out
please state your next "Peaceful" scenario.
>With Ainz illusion spells (though I'm sure best boy has access to some of his own), Demiurge can surely infiltrate any nation and gain control over it from the shadows without any of this "display of power" nonsense.
And here is a man who has no idea how politics works and no idea how long-lasting peace can be obtained.
>Well, the emperor didn't know anything about how strong it would be. Ainz did. Ainz is a free agent, certainly in this situation. He doesn't have to adhere to the emperor's wishes.
This is absurd and you are also moving goalposts now, your original statement was that Ainz pushed for slaughter and so is held responsible for his 'kill everyone' scheming, now you're saying that it's still his fault even though the Emperor asked for it.
>It removes the head of the snake, and then you can insert a puppet. (Preferably with strings still intact.) This would accomplish a lot, I think.
And what, you expect everyone to listen to the puppet?
>But he's clearly not an angel, but a monster. An overwhelming one at that, but there's no reason to make everyone think Armageddon has arrived just because you want to conquer a few countries.
Completely and utterly irrelevant to the point stated which is that terror and hatred are unrelated emotions.
Mostly because you're repeating your arguments, half of which are opinion based and the other half of which are simply absurd.
>Yes, but the salient point is that he has very little character development, since he's just IMMEDIATELY a dick.
Like this one, when he was a dick from volume 1 before he even showed up at Carne.
you probably start as a hatchling level up across the Dragon Life Cycle if you level up your racial.
>everyone know how much perverted you are
Everyone in English is singular, it's weird but that's just how it.
"How [adjective] smthing is" shouldn't have a 'much' in front of the adjective, so the phrase should be
>everyone knows how perverted you are
To answer your question, since you're not subordinate to anyone but Sebas and by extension Ainz nobody but those two can rape you and both won't. Therefore you're as fucked as you want to be.
Don't do that because people will believe you.
>Right, hence the puppets.
To...I suppose, start the civil war quickly thus depopulating his subjects enough to prevent them?
Please stop, Ulbert and Ulbert's daughter had a purely platonic friendship / family relationship.
here we go
Yes yes but why in the fucking world did you post it in reply to the posts you quoted, neither of which have anything to do with genderbending?
I still don't know what the hell you're trying to do.
How likely is it that the Eight Greed Kings and Six Great Gods were former guilds? And how would they compare in a guild vs guild against Ainz (the guild)? They all seem to be in possession of at least one world class item.
The Eight Greed Kings are likely to have been a former guild since they have a floating city.
The Six Great Gods, we don't know. They might have been simply a full party at the time.
>How would they compare in a guild vs guild against Ainz (the guild)?
Ainz' guild is effectively non-attackable and #9 overall and they have 11 WCI and at least one of the Twenty. It's unlikely that the other two guilds could compare.
Very likely since most of the gear the BS has, is supposedly handed down from the 6 gods as well as having a WCI.
thank, I finally got a bingo.
just gotta send them enough dick pics.
That reminds me
>tfw you will never be skewered by 3rd form [Aspect of the Devil: Rod of the Incubus]
I see you've never been to an Overlord thread before, newfag
In which case switch 'Baby ported to Nazarick' with 'Climb will defeat Ainz' or 'Touch Me will conquer Nazarick'
Also change 'the fic is coming' with 'Entoma has no friends'.
I've been here since Lizards Eternal, thanks. The baby hasn't shown up lately is all.
inb4 it shows up now
No, but I'd rather PA reproduce with retard to make more doppelgangers, and form the Nazarick Youth
Y'know, I get why Gargantua doesn't come to Floor Guardian meetings (what with being a mindless killer golem), but why isn't Victim told to join in the regular meetings? Is this elaborated upon somewhere in the LN? I can't remember.
Mostly because he A. is needed to guard Floor Eight, which nobody was allowed in or out of for a good while, and B. because he's fucking slow as all shit unless someone picks him up and carries him around.
Might as well post all the pastebins I still have
Spider Love http://pastebin.com/wN2ZxebB
I suggest you read my other replies, as I have already addressed your points. (Yes, I know there are a lot of them, but that's what you get for just repeating things.)
>Oh well, I rather this argument just die asap
Yeah, you just HAD to get the last word, didn't you? Sorry, but you brought nothing new to the table.
>Puppeting a King has been disproven
What do you mean "disproven"? That it's IMPOSSIBLE to do? That they thought of that, but had some sort of explanation as to why it was a bad idea? Please enlighten us, preferably with volume and page number.
>can you state any more ideas?
Read the thread, several ideas have been suggested for you already. I'm not gonna bother repeating myself, or I'd have to stay up all night.
I don't see how that follows at all, since mind control can be subtle. Did you think the only way to do it would be to march up to the king and go "KING, DO THIS AND THAT FOR OUR GLORIOUS NAZARICK! I COMMAND THEE!"?
Besides, Demiurge has been shown to be able to pacify entire halls full of people. Use your imagination, it's not that hard to figure out alternative solutions. But I guess you've already decided that there is no way, NO WAY, that anything could have been done differently, haven't you?
And there is a poster with absolutely nothing to contribute but greentexting and telling me I'm stupid. How amusing.
They can, but it's not a given. It depends on the skill of the people involved.
Hey there newfag
>This is absurd and you are also moving goalposts now
Eh, come on. That accusation is just rude.
>your original statement was that Ainz pushed for slaughter and so is held responsible for his 'kill everyone' scheming, now you're saying that it's still his fault even though the Emperor asked for it
The Emperor didn't ask for that spell in particular, he didn't know what he was getting into. I'm not excusing him in all of this, but it certainly doesn't diminish Ainz' blame to any notable degree. What is even your point here?
>And what, you expect everyone to listen to the puppet?
Yes, but of course you'd have to work for it. You might not wanna announce that he is a puppet. That would be kinda dumb.
>Completely and utterly irrelevant to the point stated which is that terror and hatred are unrelated emotions.
Well that entire issue (which you brought up) is rather irrelevant, I agree. If you wanna press the point that Ainz can pose as a divine being to cow the populace, that I can see merit in, but murdering a bunch of soldiers on the field isn't the best way to go about it. I think starting a cult would have worked better.
>you're repeating your arguments
Of course, because you guys are repeating your answers. I'd love if I could just answer you all at the same time, but you're structuring your arguments slightly differently, and I know you wouldn't accept a shared reply.
>half of which are opinion based and the other half of which are simply absurd.
It's a shame you feel you have to be so defensive. I'm not attacking anyone's opinions here, just stating my own. I have said so from the start. Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's "absurd", sorry.
>he was a dick from volume 1 before he even showed up at Carne
Well, that's your interpretation. I don't share it. He seemed like a lonely guy, perhaps a bit childish. Not prepared to torture people to death, because I don't expect that out of anyone straight out the gate.
I think many anons are imagining something different than you. Who do you think the puppet monarch would be?
Also, what would Ainz gain by being the shadow ruler of the Kingdom? His primary objective is to spread the name of Ainz Ooal Gown. Someone else ruling with Ainz being the man behind the curtain directly opposes his goal.
Nah, he just didn't even consider it.
He was okay with Jircniv leaving right after he got there. He's just a lucky idiot.
He said in the opening of vol.7 that the world takeover thing was just too risky for him to oppose and that he really didn't mind because it was in line with his goals.
Demi practically did one better with the princess anyways, why would you even need to exploit mind control when your enemy leadership isn't even interested in ruling at all?
Its like when the U.S installed that puppet shah in the 90s in iran after the iran-iraq war after fueling both sides, they rebelled and eventually became the U.S most open enemy with direct funding of terrorist groups.
Is the supreme being at the bottom of the panel Warrior Takemikazuchi?
>I don't see how that follows at all, since mind control can be subtle. Did you think the only way to do it would be to march up to the king and go "KING, DO THIS AND THAT FOR OUR GLORIOUS NAZARICK! I COMMAND THEE!"?
That is exactly how Demiurge's Domination Mantra works - thralled people are incapable of doing anything he doesn't explicitly tell them to.
>Well, that's your interpretation. I don't share it. He seemed like a lonely guy, perhaps a bit childish. Not prepared to torture people to death, because I don't expect that out of anyone straight out the gate.
But he WAS. Before he showed up at Carne he literally stated multiple times that he didn't feel anything at all watching the village get slaughtered and he killed two people out of the Gate, commenting again that he felt nothing.
>It's a shame you feel you have to be so defensive. I'm not attacking anyone's opinions here, just stating my own
That's what I just said. Half of them are opinion based, meaning I can't actually attack them (for example taste in plot development) but the half that I called absurd is stuff that's been more or less contradicted explicitly in the novel. He was a heartless bastard right from the start, this isn't something to debate, because he noted right before Gating and again after Gating.
>Well that entire issue (which you brought up) is rather irrelevant, I agree. If you wanna press the point that Ainz can pose as a divine being to cow the populace, that I can see merit in, but murdering a bunch of soldiers on the field isn't the best way to go about it. I think starting a cult would have worked better.
That's not what I was trying to press. I'm trying to tell you that just because he comes off as terrifying does not mean he comes off as destable.
>That accusation is just rude.
Rudeness does not preclude correctness.
>They can, but it's not a given. It depends on the skill of the people involved.
Okay, let's take a step back and ask why in the world did you think that puppeting is part of the goal at all? His goal is more or less to establish his OWN dominion, not just defacto but dejure. I'm not sure which side you want him to kill, but killing the King will immediately explode the Kingdom and killing the Emperor will get the entire Empire to hate his ass and neither will give him E-Rantel.
>Demiurge has been shown to be able to pacify entire halls full of people.
I don't remember this ever happening unless by pacify you mean kneel down against their will. Demiurge controls your body, not your mind - that's Shalltear.
Why are you so against Ainz killing the Kingdom's army at any rate? To put it bluntly they're nameless people who matter more or less not at all in narration and matter not at all from the perspective of Ainz. If you think it's ineffective, points of disagreement and reasons why it works have been brought up, and if you think it's because killing people is wrong then tough luck Ainz isn't Climb he is and has been full-stop a person who will kill people based on how much their deaths can benefit him. Most other times when he decides to go out of his way to spare people it's because he's explicitly trying to retain his semblance of humanity, not because it comes naturally to him.
>Most other times when he decides to go out of his way to spare people it's because he's explicitly trying to retain his semblance of humanity
Nah, he saved Carne because of Touch Me, he was able to accept that the world in front of him was real thanks to remembering the guild tactician's advice, and its constantly mentioned that he only cares for protecting the guild and npcs. Vol9 Splat is just a little too much for some people cause they still are led on by the whole incompetent feelings inside of Ainz and missing the obvious that he's still a spooky skeleton. Right after nuking the entire army he even duels stronoff and shows respect for him, offers his vassalage, and then does solo pvp.
He does care, but all of his care is for his people and for the rest they are enemies. It doesn't help that you know that he's going to win so easily either.
DnDfags speculated devourer, oni, etc. but we don't know.
>He does care, but all of his care is for his people and for the rest they are enemies.
That's what I meant, the only times he goes out of his way to save people are either out of respect (Gazef, both times), because he owes a debt to someone (Carne and Tsuare) or because they're his his subjects (again Tsuare, Carne etc.), other than that it's because he wants to think of himself as semi-human-like (kill the kids quickly demiurge don't fuck them up).
Somehow I doubt Carne could support a city-sector's worth of children. Not to mention you'd have to clear their memories (extremely difficult bordering on impossible) and explain why exactly you're dumping this many kids to Carne.
This is the gayest gay comic I've ever seen.
Demi would fix it
Even if he is a skelly its still kids
>Demi will fix it
Next army facing Ainz will have to fight hundreds of child skeletons armed with rusty daggers.
Or cities attacked by child skeletons appearing from the sewers. For added mind fucking effects, they need to appear in areas where high number of kids are present.
Dude we have been talking about this for a long long time.
Nazarick opens a Orphanage, PA in-charged of education.
Successful kids will be given a Nazarick youths Knife.
Purest Nazarick youths are bald and egg headed.
>Domains under Nazarick immediately go under tremendous economical boom due to the excellent location of E-Rantel as a trading hub between the Kingdom, Empire and Theocracy.
>Taxes drop sharply as Nazarick does not need to pay for military upkeep at all and most of the hard physical labour can be handled by golems and undead servants, further reducing the expenses.
>Food prices plummet through the magical items that create limitless supply of food.
>Housing becomes very cheap due to rich fucks having escaped E-Rantel ages ago.
>Corruption becomes impossible since the Skeleton King likes efficiency and nobody can afford to bribe him. Also, if you piss him off, it's best to commit suicide.
>With no reason to conscript the peasants, they can concentrate on their work and labour quality starts slowly going up.
Had to stop reading due to other things coming up at about volume 7, finally got around to it and finished up to chapter 9 and now I'm wishing I didn't. I don't know if I can handle the wait.
Also that was pretty damn smart of
DemiurgeAinz at the end of vol 9 with the way he's controlling E-Rantel.
Volume 9? Also, best way to cope with this sort of waiting is to more or less forget about it, checking for threads or updates every time you remember (maybe once a week or something). Think of it as waiting for the next book in a series, which is sort of is.
From what we know though, Ainz at least succeeds in the end, by proxy.
The old nobleman who once pursued Narberal was passing on stories about how Momon became a great person respected by all.
Although, it'd be nice to see Ainz himself bettering his territory in his own odd way.
Bandits and other lowlifes being arrested then sent to Nazarick. Ainz and co being the horror stories that scares children straight. Equality amongst the different races because Ainz lets his Guardians manage some of them, with the promise of death or undeath to those who disobey him and his Guardians. Founding a school of higher learning so that more people could improve their standing based on their knowledge and skill. Paving roads and charging small fees to keep them maintained; presumably using undead to save costs. Providing border security; those who oppose him get to become members of the fun farm or the next undead border guard; making them self-sustaining. Wars would be rare; as opposing armies would be afraid to create another dead zone that spawns undead.
It can be as cool as your imagination allows, Anon.
>Opposing armies would be afraid to create another dead zone that spawns undead
>Said dead zone would become Nazarick territory regardless
>Yeah, you just HAD to get the last word, didn't you? Sorry, but you brought nothing new to the table.
I brought nothing to the table because that very point is the very one point that you refused to accept no matter how many times it has been repeated to you. Almost your entire arguments is build around that misconception, and anything 'new' you think you spout is just another argument based on a false idea, and it irritates me. Why the hell should I care about your other arguments when it's already flawed at the base level?
If we take Evil as 'super selfish prick', Ainz fits the bill, but he comes off as somewhere between Lawful Evil and simply Neutral Evil to me since he doesn't really have a code he follows nor does he work within the law besides the whole 'muh denbts' and 'I gave muh word' thing.
DnD is literally as cool as you want it to be given your DM isn't a massive prick who railroads and even then I've blown shit up before
It's not MY fault he didn't know how to make chloroform from medieval alchemy ingredients.
You mean Ainz? I guess? In my eyes he has never been above killing 250k or even 2.5M people if he thought it would help him in any significant way, it's just that since we're used to seeing shit from his perspective it doesn't come off as much. Carne he didn't want to go at all until muh Denbts and even then he brought the entire SS and tortured them to death (although it was only three questions), he killed the Igaruv dude and his party more or less arbitrarily, fucked the lizards mightily only stopping because of Cocytus' honorboner and of course the favorite, v7.
Carbon Dioxide (burn charcoal for a while in a mostly closed place, you'll get some CO2 and a lot of CO) + Free Hydrogen (use "Lightning" on water for a while) nets you methane, then get Chlorine (use lightning on brine or just saturated saltwater for a while, it gets you chlorine gas (along with more hydrogen and sodium hydroxide).
You can also get it by decomposing spirit of salt (HCl) if for whatever reason you have it instead of saltwater.
Heating Methane and Chlorine together nets you CH3Cl, CH2Cl2, CHCl3, and CCl4 in a mixture and you have to distill it.
The funny thing is chloroform rags don't even work but a railroading DM is rarely a knowledgable one
It's not as complete as the LN (of course), doesn't cut as much as the anime and is 10/10 for reaction faces.
Couldn't DM just call you out on 'how the fuck does your character know this bullshit'
The chemicals are all there but nobody knew about methane or chlorine back then afaik and they certainly didn't know jack about chloromethanes.
I'm not sure she can, they autospawn.
Cocytus apparently has five of pic related though, and they're level 80+.
Seriously why are just wandering level 80 adds allowed
I find it's amusing how the 41 lv1 homunculus meidos that can do jack shit combat-wise have higher-authority and standing than some higher level monster in Nazarick that can kill them with a finger flick simply because they're direct creation of the SBs.
They have neither higher authority nor higher standing, they're just untouchable by anyone normally due to serving the SBs directly and garner a little more respect
Sort of like the difference between Named NPCs and Generics, which it is.
Think of it as the difference between the personal maid of the Emperor and one of the champions under one of the Emperor's generals.
The Chinese version of genesis involves Nv Wa hand-crafting the noblity, who were stronger and smarter than the systematically created peasantry.
Some peasants might've been stronger and smarter than some nobility but the fact remains that they're generics instead of hand-crafted special snowflakes.
>draw a girl
>call it a boy
No, seriously, why?
That's just automatically makes him worst boy and girl at the same time.
Goddamnit I read that aloud in choochoo's voice
Now my sister is looking at me funny
>draw it a boy
>call it a girl
And yet she still grows up to be Albedo-tier hot without the psycho.
Somehow that still manages to look halfway badass.
I wonder if Pandora's Actor prefaces all his attacks with a chuuni line?
>I shear apart the boundaries of the world, 「Reality Slash」!
I just realized that Vampires and Liches are less overpowered than they are in DnD.
As I recall vampires autores back into their coffins and Liches are 100% undefeatable if their pha[...] whatever it's called is intact.
> Momonga just in a coma IRL
Nobody knows actually. But one of the twist we cam up with is, Momonga is alive IRL. The current on in NW is just a memory or a psychic imprint.
I really hate femme fatales, but even so Epsilon does thing to my dick
I really hate the idea that he's alive IRL,because that always leads to the conclusion that the NW is just a virtual world created by the makers of Yggdrasil.Plus it's just attract more SAO fanboys saying Overlord is just a copy of SAO but I digress.
the worst ending went something like this
100 years after Ainz comes to NW
He looks at the scrying mirror panicking, he sees 9 creatures fully geared at the entrance to the tomb.
The creatures talk to themselves for a while, remarking how nostalgic it is to see the old Tomb again.
One of them expresses gratitude to another saying, "Its really incredible seeing our old Guild house in Yggdrasil 2, isnt it Momonga"
The one called Momonga replies "Well it was really sad when you guys left, so I just kept the Guild Dungeon well kept in the hopes that you guys would come back to play, but im really happy to be playing the new game with you all"
Ainz slumps over from the shock, like a puppet with its strings cut.
>can't you gb fags just go to ainz/chair/whoever and just ask them for it?
Want be to give you a run down how it all happened?
Ainz replied in good humor.
Nimble’s appearance of being honestly moved fueled the itch in Ainz’s heart.
As a flashy, super-tier spell, it seems to have stolen the hearts of everyone. Well, that was only to be expected of one of the most popular spells in YGGDRASIL. When I said I was going to cast it, Albedo and Demiurge couldn’t stop lavishing praise on me.
LOL! Ainz has the potential to become a demon lord but he just doesn't know it yet. he honestly though he got everyone excited while in truth he scared them shitless. and albedo and demuirge(both are demon races) couldn't stop praising him for planning to use such a evil spell while Ainz though they were just happy and praising for such a awesome spell that was popular among the players. Hahahah,so many misunderstanding. albedo and demuirge probably gonna see this as Ainz having similiar taste like them enjoying the human suffer and treat them as insect
>Anime is over
>Translators have caught up to the LN
>Nothing new to talk about
>Still gets threads
i don't think Ainz is alive in real life or dreaming.. this world is very real. with so many side characters having their own story in the novel. if ainz was dreaming you would only have the novel told by the mc perspective. It could be his soul along with his game character got summon. his real body is probably already dead without a soul
Actually there are some new info.
The usual Anon that scaned his BD 1 & 2, scanned the BD 3 stuff.
Now we are just waiting for the Drama CD to be translated.
Finally done with Fallout 4. Time to restart fanfics
Solution is the best meido
Literally perfect. She should honestly be the headwife rather than Chair or Albedo
Hi, I'm that Fanfic/Cyoa Anon.
I think you should give up. the other fanfic Anon is missing.
Look a Solutionfag. I guess soon Solutionfags will outnumber us 3 Yurifag.
Each 6 is for one of us Yurifags. Since there are only 3 of us!
On a sidenote:
Yuri seems to be the next in-line to to do something "bad"
After Sebas, Pestonya and Nigredo
Brothers, we are once again reunited.
>All surrounding nations are losing their shit, fearing for their lives to get put on the Bone Zone.
Announcements begin rolling in about the skeleton king's policies:
>Guaranteed minimum wage (Due to low quality food being free to produce for state, thanks to Nazarick magic items.)
>Nazarick Space Program
>Laissez-Faire, as long as intervention is not necessary.
>Guaranteed employment opportunities (due to Nazarick's ability to convert any products into gold and gold into magic.)
Imagine a peasant from Kingdom who didn't get conscripted.
>War every year
>Nobility doing whatever the fuck they please
>Crime runs rampant
>Guards are corrupt
>Might get killed by a monster one of these days.
>Demon army attacks capital, fuck... Even the rich aren't safe these days.
>Annual war, apparently some dude is trying to start a country or something
>Total defeat, details weren't told to us, but apparently there was a secret weapon employed.
>Heard that first Prince apparently failed to capture an enemy peasant village and got killed by goblins.
>Thank fuck he didn't live to rule, but better not talk about that in public.
>I hope there's gonna be enough food for the winter with most of our boys dead.
>Hmm... Apparently our new neighbour is supposed to be some sort of undead king. Poor conquered bastards.
>The fuck are these announcements? This can't be real, must be propaganda.
>Met a trader who came from E-Rantel
>Apparently that stuff is real according to him.
>Why does our country have to wallow in misery when conquered citizens get to live like kings?
>they have skeletons, golems and God knows what else.
mfw they have more rights then the average Joe
>Slane Theocracy thinks Ainz might be one of their gods.
>They see the kingdom being weakened after their war with him and go to war to curry favour
>Ainz uses this as an excuse to attack Slane Theocracy and brings the kingdom into the alliance.
>Sasuga Ainz-sama,what a masterful scheme
Between 1-20 difficulty normal people can handle it (like soldiers) 21-30 is when they start to call in adventurers. Anything above 90 is adamantium level.
Pleiades (aka Entoma) was rated at 150, the Jabberwocky and Momon at above 200.
That's not necessarily bad since it's nice symmetry with "let's meet again...in Ygg 2."
I wouldn't say it's unlike the devs to have brought in the old legends as the background lore of their new game.
Why do you think so? The left side is 'incompetent' and the right is 'competent', up is 'kindhearted' and down is 'evil'.
I know it doesn't make sense but that's what the chart says.
Would be nice to get a timeskip at the end of the series; see all the Guardians a bit older and a bit more flexible with the lives they lord over.
Then have them appear with Ainz to greet the next player to arrive in the now stable and prosperous region and end the series on an open note there as he welcomes them and offers them friendship.
>Deminurge's Workers Union
I hope you mean the National Socialist Nazarickian Worker's Party, with guarenteed employment opportunities in military theory, scientific research, and fashion design.
Daily reminder that all Shizu has ever done is go "uwaah".
If she doesn't get any action in vol10, we riot. Snipe those dwarves.
Just standing there as a level 45+ automaton would be enough
Think about it she's more or less the ultimate expression of crafting ability, to make a construct capable of flattening cities.
Not to mention the gun.
Also PA with his Panzer IV
True,but in my opinion,it would make no sense because no matter how advanced the technology back on earth was there's no way they can create an entire world full of NPC's each with their own strory,personality,developement,etc....,but I also feel it would make the story cheap,because all those who died and suffered,the workers,Stronoff,the kingdom soldiers,etc...,were not real,they were just npc's.
Reminder that Pandora's Actor is also a Craftsman, which means he can upgrade Shizu.
and impregnate Narberal's doppelwomb
Do you know that you're supposed to put a space after punctuation in English?
Also, I think it'd make sense on some level - Momonga viewed the world of Ygg as his life but in the end it really was nothing but code on a screen.
That's like saying the Matrix wasn't real if you lived your entire life inside it
Reality is what you observe, for all we know we're just Sims in a game of Sims 50 and we're just acting out the "Troll teh Forums" action that you can do on a computer. It doesn't make us any less real because the debate holds no relevance.
>no matter how advanced the technology back on earth was there's no way they can create an entire world full of NPC's each with their own strory,personality,developement,etc
It's been more than a hundred years. I'm surprised that Ygg itself DIDN'T have the tech to do so.
Yuri has no place in lecturing Ainz. That is completely out of character for her, who if she has Discipline knows when to shut her mouth.
what the f*ck are you saying. he will capture them and start experimenting on these player and interrogate them for any new information.he has zero interest in making friends with players if they are not from his guild
Why is he so agile
...did they? I don't remember them genociding anyone yet, they're expanding territory to expand power.
You can type out the word fuck you know.
Also, I think he means after a hundred years, the long experience of ruling will rub off on him, and the mark of a good ruler isn't to obliterate anyone who shows up on your doorstep
Friends is stretching it but a friendly 'hello men from another land, this is my kingdom, glorious is it not?' makes sense.