ITT pretentious shit for people who thinks they are smart.

>>134117470
What's pretentious about Hyouka? Please explain.

Hyouka.

>>134117579
Not so smart, 2bh

>>134117561
It prenetds to be an intellectual anime but still pretty dumb

>>134117470
That's not the Monogatari series

fucking pretentious dickwad. Anyone who likes that series should go and fuck a goblin shark

>>134117806
So every mystery show ever?
Gotcha.

>>134117470
Nice bait. You forget to call it boring though.

Hibikek

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>>134117470
lel

>>134117806
How simple minded do you have to be to think Hyouka is, or even tries to be intellectual?

Next you'll be telling me Dragonball is deep because it tackles the themes of the difference between life and death, what it means to have true power, and is a case study on the actions of people when presented with one reality bending choice.

You're a dummy OP

>>134117806
...that's not an explanation at all, it's re-stating your point without supporting it with any evidence.

Is it supposedly intellectual because it talks about mysteries? Is it because there's classical music in the soundtrack? Is it because of the artsy scenes?

Because if it's because of one of the things I just listed, you're the dumb one.

>>134118062
>he got his feelings hurt because someone insulted his cartoons

>>134118084
>being so desperate to imply i'm mad

I'm not mad at all. It's just that "pretentious" is a meaningless buzzword, and anyone that uses it never explains any further.

It's like saying "X is shit" and then refusing to explain why you think X is shit.

>>134118136
Ok, MohamMAD.

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>"Dragonball is deep because it tackles the themes of the difference between life and death, what it means to have true power, and is a case study on the actions of people when presented with one reality bending choice." - Anon, 2015

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>>134117561
It was pretending to be good

>>134120659
>/mov/

>>134120701
Some post-2010 casuals thinks that's was good because muh eyecandy

>>134120659
Yes but post /a/ related only pls.

>>134120731
I think it's good because it is.

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>>134117470
>thinks they are smart
ironic post right here

>>134120731
The substance is the style, anon. In what way is Hyouka bad? Be specific.

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>>134117902
Pretty much this. Literally dropped this shit because of all the melodrama over fucking nothing.

>>134117902
To be fair S1 of this wasn't really pretentious at all

then it started taking itself sooper srs and turned from a comedy into this dumbass highschool melodrama

>>134120977
>watching s2
There's your problem.

>>134120990
>MAL

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>>134120739

>>134120990
>>134121025
But I agree: Subete ga F ni Naru is an anime that acts haughtily but says absolutely nothing.

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>>134121008
>>134121022
>>134120977
>>134117902
I loved the hell out of the first season, but had no idea what the fuck happened in season 2. My friend warned me the second season was shit but I didn't listen.

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>>134120990
>ichii_1

>>134117470
Mushishi
Lain
FLCL
Psycho Pass

>>134121359
Bait.

>>134121431
Not really.

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>>134117470
>"Those are not fanservice in Bakemonogatari its something deep."

>>134121494
It can be deep and have fanservice at the same time. Don't know what's with you faggots but it seems you all share the common trait of having seen less than 30 anime and consider yourself the authority on the subject.

Ping Pong

kino no tabi

>>134117902
Please bitch, /a/ all over this show and fucking really, the ride was great. Stop being a little faggot now about it just because reddit and other sites is drooling over it.

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>>134121538
Nice try.

>>134122450
Don't do this. If you actually like the show, then you would know that a response like this will only atttract mockery.

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>>134121494
I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD PEOPLE ON /A/ ALWAYS CLAIM THAT FANS OF MONOGATARI SAY THAT IT'S DEEP OR THAT THE FANSERVICE HAS PLOT PURPOSE BUT I NEVER SEE ANYONE ACTUALLY SAY THAT EXCEPT THE PEOPLE WHO QUOTE THOSE "PEOPLE" THAT ACTUALLY DON'T EXIST.

NOONE EVER CLAIMED THAT MONOGATARI FANSERVICE IS FOR THE PLOT OR WHATEVER. FUCKING END YOURSELF

>>134122592
see >>134122491

>>134121097
Fucking Iroha came and made this really shit.
Truly the worst ever anime girl in existence.

>>134122639
That's a fucking meme picture you fucking retard that was made to show how dumb people are who claim that Monogatari fanservice has any depth to it, but i've NEVER seen anyone actually claim that except the people who say that these people exist.

>>134122592
its because they are the hipsters of /a/. they would tell you that but it would only be ironically.

>>134122592
this.

even in /a/'s monogatari threads noone ever claims that the fanservice is deep, they just see it as fanservice

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>>134122679
>Being this new
Lurk more numbnuts, there always that guy denying that the show is harem and is instead some kind of fucking great show that have no fanservice.

>>134122645
Stop embarassing yourself anon. The show had more problems then Iroha joining the cast.

For one thing what was a light hearted comedy turned way to serious and the sudden tone shift completely changed the show.

Seriously check out the first episode of both seasons and tell me this shows aren't completely different.

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>>134117470
You're not smarter than those who think that they're smart, OP.
But you're surely a bigger faggot, so you should contemplate killing yourself to death.

>>134122772
>sudden tone shift
>nice girl speech
>Rumi arc
>Sagami arc
Season 1 was setting up to what was going to happen in season 2. Don't pretend like it came out of nowhere.

>>134117470
>>>/a/

>>134117902
I thought this was satirizing how edgy the mc was

>>134122771
It's full of fan service, but it also has good character development, thought provoking themes, witty dialogue and symbolism.

>>134122798
>butthurted.

>>134122798
>killing yourself to death
As opposed to killing yourself to live?

>>134121359
I'll bite.
>Mushishi
Not pretentious because it never claims to be deep or meaningful. It's a relaxing episodic series about someone that goes around fixing arbitrary 'spiritual' problems.
>Lain
Lain is everything it claims to be, and then some. To be pretentious, a series has to fail to live up to being what it purports to be. Lain is a fantastic mystery series that I can't give enough praise to.
>FLCL
FLCL is the anime equivalent of 'nonsense literature' such as Alice in Wonderland. Whether or not it has a deeper meaning is irrelevant because it's enjoyable on the surface.
>Psycho Pass
Perfect answer.

>>134117902

this to be honest family

>>134118136
Just like masterpice.

>>134122966
>>134117784
People who try to evade word filters should be permabanned.

>>134122931

How in the ever loving fuck is Psycho Pass pretentious?

Don't tell me that scene with Makashima naming books put you over the edge?

>>134121359
>Lain
How dare you insult my goddess
Fight me cunt

Hyouka was such an overdirected mess. That overdid its visual language.
For some reason the smart but not so smart anime crowd thinks that's good direction.

I wish we would have more people like Hayao Miyazaki or Oshii who are in a different league in direction anime without the need of gimmicks.

Yes, that boy said something important to you. There is no need for all the sakura leaves to fly around your face.

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70 posts and nobody has actually posted anything pretentious.

>>134123147
>How in the ever loving fuck is Psycho Pass pretentious?
Sybil takes the multifaceted nature of possibilities to commit crime and reduces it to a single number, one that isn't even taken seriously by the police themselves, except for when the plot demands it; one that stays extremely stable, except for when the plot demands it.

Someone's dispensation towards potentially committing crime and their vicinity to places where they could commit such crimes should be mapped out as separate variables. That's common sense, that would also avoid the hypocrisy towards the MC blindly obeying Sybil in regard to citizens but not enforcers (when you think about it Akane should have shot her enforcers the moment she read their Crime Coefficients, if Sybil was to be taken at word; or, her contemporaries shouldn't have had a go at her for not taking Sybil at its word later on). In addition to all of that, there's a scene in the first episode where the police are only able to check the crime coefficient of an unarmed woman by pointing a lethal weapon at her, the same weapon they just used to kill a guy right in front of her! That could literally be solved with the addition of any sort of CC-reading eyepiece or handheld device. The whole system is a farce, not because of some deep philosophical issue with crime, but because the person that designed Sybil was retarded. How on earth such a poorly constructed system would ever make it into popular use in the first place and not ever go through such obvious changes is beyond me.

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>>134123205
Don't feel like it!

>>134123322
>overdirected
I'll be using this from now on.

>>134120659
Fuck, I liked it. It had good atmosphere throughout the whole film. No pun intended.

They still fucked up the ending.

>>134123322
Well said. Hope is not lost.

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Dude, missed opportunities, lmao

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MENTAL ILLNESS IS BAD GUISE

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>80 posts
>no Glasslip

>>134120949
>bullshit ending
>boring drama for most of the series

I don't have a favorite episode for Hyouka, only favorite moments since there were a few amusing parts in it.

>>134123583
glasslip wasn't posted because it doesn't fit and no one watched it.

>>134123526
Don't mock Satoshi Kon you stupid fuck. Perfect Blue was great.

>>134123464
Overhyped, but that's the fans being pretentious, not the show. At least they actually used the time loop mechanic with great effect and without it being repetitive.

>>134123322
The problem is that the anime bloggers don't have any idea about cinematic techniques.

So what left are gimmicks and a bunch of gifs, while a breakdown of a single scene can easily take several pages.

>>134123626
It seems that you watched a different show.

>>134117902
Season 2 definitely qualifies. I know they wanted to show that Hachiman's solutions in season 1 doesn't really work but they could've shown in in a better way.

Also the last episode is so fucking pretentious it hurts.

Anything that isn't pure moe.

>>134123322
>overdirected
And thus a new buzzword is born.

>>134117470
Subete ga F ni naru.

I watched the first episode, couldn't finish it because it was incredibly pretentious.
I closed it when the other guy was going on about how 7 is the loneliest number or some shit like that.

My god.

>>134123786
7 detected.

>>134123768
I prefer 'forced direction'.

just out of curiosity. You guys are saying that every anime that has a minimum plot is pretentious, so what would be non-pretencious smart anime? just asking, cause I'm now thinking that I've never watched one, since everyone is saying that every anime is bullshit.

>>134123899
Evangelion for starters.

>>134123768
It was pretty on point.

>>134123899
Milky Holmes is the opposite of pretentious.

>>134123899
Something like Serial Experiments Lain isn't pretentious because it follows through and exceeds expectations.

Something like Gakkou Gurashi! isn't pretentious because its themes are left hidden in the narrative and never forced onto the viewer.

>>134117470
Considering all the people who whined about "muh no kiss end" I seriously doubt that the biggest part of Hyouka audience are even clever enough to think of themselves as "smart".

>>134123322
Overdirected. I like this because he references falling petals in a dramatic scene which is actually a reference to my other favorite phrase "forced animation"

>>134123899
Haibane Renmei.

Wait, was this a rec thread from the start?

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>>134124069
Forgot about that one. Great example!

>>134123899
>>134123899
Well its true. There are no smart anime. Not a single one. It's a pretty low brow medium

>>134123937
>Evangelion
>not pretentious

Okay I'll dive in to this mess. Monogatari as whole is supernatural drama and action that needs silly comedy and sexual overtones to balance out the amount of monologue and dialogue that goes on in the series. Thats why each and every time there's 5 to 10 minutes of dialogue the world suddenly goes trippy and things start moving around and all the other stuff that happens, its to keep things from getting boring.

On the surface, the nudity, incest, and psychedelic shit is fanservice. But on a deeper level its done to point out how insane, absurd, and silly the very things that are going on in the series is. Insecure lolis becoming snake gods of death, lesbian high school girls with monkey arms lying naked in their room, covered in sweat, shame, and self-angst waiting for some boy to arrive. Its all meant to distract you from the fact that the entire scene makes no sense whatsoever and is perpetually boring. Because you'll watch a nonsense scene of 6 minutes of dialogue if it has titties and ass in it for the first 2 minutes.

If you're in your 20's or a teenager you're easily fooled by all the ecchi and fanservice in the Monogatari series. If you're much older it doesn't fool you as easily and it makes you wonder if you've become so jaded that you can't simply enjoy anything anymore. Or that you become wise enough to not let your intelligence be so easily insulted.

>>134123786
Man, if you can't understand the show, it's your problem. What if you are not smart enough?

>>134124129
HERE HE IS
AND YOU FAGS DIDN'T BELIEVE US

>>134123322
>Hyouka was such an overdirected mess
>That overdid its visual language
You do realize they did so because they knew that the source material was unexciting and not made to be animated rigth? Why do you think they put moepenguin chitanda there?

>For some reason the smart but not so smart anime crowd thinks that's good direction
It's blatantly trying too hard the moment they put pink filters with heart shaped pendulum to convey the message that "GIRL" and "PHEROMONE" was happening.

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Alright, /a/nons. What are some intellectual anime for intellectuals such as myself?
Pic related is only for the highest of IQs

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I loved it but it really tried to hard to be smart and philosophical while actually being really simplistic

>>134124129
I agree that monogatari is boring

>>134124161
>You do realize they did so because they knew that the source material was unexciting and not made to be animated rigth?

Funny that they did it way better in K-On S2 when it was just about 5 girls doing nohting for two cours.

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>>134124167
I actually believe that CGDCT is for the people that only give value to the enjoyment that the anime offers and doesn't give a damn about the elements outside this context.
In a sense, the truly smartest ones.

>>134124129
>On the surface, the nudity, incest, and psychedelic shit is fanservice. But on a deeper level its done to point out how insane, absurd, and silly the very things that are going on in the series is.
You're drawing a connection that makes no sense.

>>134123526
If it was good it wouldn't be an illness.
Check and mate, virgin.

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>>134123343
>>134122931
>>134121359
>Psycho Pass
We have a winner.

>>134117470
>pretentious shit for people who thinks they are smart
>for people who thinks they are smart
>who thinks they are smart
>thinks they are smart
>thinks
>they are smart

>>134124220
K-ON S2 is one of the most substanceless anime ever made. Its' a 8 hours long fart.

>>134124199

I love how /a/ went from liking this as a solid anime to circlejerking the ever loving fuck out of it to being the best anime ever. Jesus is bad on here sometimes.

Anyone who says they enjoyed this anime but thought it was decent is torn to shreds.

>>134124054
Except you, of course?

>>134124220
That comparison is retarded but I bet you think you're fucking clever for pointing it out. Never mind the fact that you're implying k-on s2 was visually interesting and a triumph on kyoani's part.

>>134124307
And it's the best in its genre.

>>134122771
>there always that guy denying that the show is harem and is instead some kind of fucking great show that have no fanservice
Still a tiny fucking minority.

>>134124357
It's almost as good as Kill Me Baby.

>>134124069
>Haibane Renmei
>not pretentious

>>134124357
Have some taste man.

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>>134123322
Some people are just in a different league.

Is there any serious anime that is not pretentious?

>>134124409
K-ON will be my favorite anime no matter what.

>>134124395
pretentious:
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed.
When does Haibane Renmei attempt to affect great importance or merit? Remember that leaving specific details open to interpretation isn't the same thing as affecting great importance.

seems like that every time someone says that a show is smart, another anon will popup saying it's pretencious

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>>134124444
Good taste.
It will always be mine as well.

>>134124463
>attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed
Sounds awfully like Hyouka alright.

>>134124468
Anything that tries to be anything more than a simple story is pretentious desu

>>134124154
EEEEHHHHHH?????

>>134124208
it is in some ways. after the first episode of Oogaigarai i stopped watching.

>>134124269
actually it makes a lot of sense. Think about the scenes throughout the series where incest, nudity, and other nonsense were involved. If you know anything about human interaction then you know it makes no sense. Why would Monkey continue lying openly in the nude when she knew Aragari was coming over? Why did Crab basically walk out of the shower nude in front of Aragari, when she had only met him a few days ago? Much of the sexual behavior makes no sense and it goes well with the entire supernatural aspect which makes no sense and barely has a decent explanation. Hell Aragari is the perfect example of the nonsense of the series. One moment he's a hero willing to sacrifice himself for anyone he meets, but he talks about how he no longer gives a fuck about the world. He can't seem to even get a boner for his love interest, but basically molests his sisters and a ghost loli. The boy ain't right i tell ya.

>>134120990
kek i think this was the guy who liked Overlord and Bleach

>>134124468
Except no one will ever say a show is smart because everyone knows that'll happen. What ends up happening is a bunch of people false flag some shit so they can continue shit posting about how a smart anime is pretentious.

It's all fucking retarded.

>>134124370
the show at best is a loose harem anime. he only lives with three of the girls.

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>>134122798

>>134122909
People die if they are killed.

>>134124516
This. All shows should just be LN battle harems or SOL cute girls doing cute things type of shows.

>>134124595
If there're lolis, than it's okay

>>134117470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KEzFyp4a2c

>>134124530
You're not making sense either. At least I can appreciate your thematic consistency.

Psycho Pass
LotGH
Serial Experiments Lain
Steins;Gate
Evangelion
The Tatami Galaxy

just on the top of my head

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Is this considered pretentious?

>>134124722
LotGH was a comedic space opera, it was in no way intellectual, just a fun romp.

>>134124722
>Steins;Gate
Why is it pretentious? It's pretty straight forward and doesn't try to push ideas in your head.

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>>134124722
>I didn't even read the fucking thread.
no-one cares about your opinion, desu.

>>134124463
>Remember that leaving specific details open to interpretation isn't the same thing as affecting great importance
It kinda is as it's an effective mean to pretend there is more thought behind something than there actually is by making viewer think there is something to decipher for him while the author may really just have written what's going on "on the surface" for aesthetic reasons (not like there's anything wrong with that).
That's why you'll often see people criticize Evangelion using christian symbols that don't really have too much to do with the actual themes of the series.
I'm personally not a fan of using the word pretentious on entertainment at all but if I was I'd consequently have to use it on Haibane Renmei

>>134120977
go have shit taste somewhere else senpai

>>134124722
Psycho Pass and Steins;Gate didn't really try to seem like anything more intellectual than they were though? They were pretty upfront and unvague about most shit.

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>>134122931
>>134123147
>>134123343

agreed. Psycho-Pass is pretty fucking pretentious.

Kogami is still my husbando.

>>134125041
but the author is dead, everything is open to interpretation and the viewer's claims to interpretation are more or less just as valid as the creator's.

>>134125041
The setting of Haibane Renmei was deliberately left obscure for two good reasons. Firstly, drawing the attention away from the mysterious setting kept the focus on the drama present in character interactions. Secondly, it allowed the audience to more effectively relate to Rakka, who also knew very little about what was going on: a 'common ground' of sorts.

>>134125125
>Yoshitoshi ABe
>dead
You liar

What an awful, awful thread.
Good job, faggots.

>>134125125
Sure, but if you believe that there's no point in calling anything pretentious in the first place since everything can be upgraded from "pretending to be smart" to "actually smart" by your interpretation.

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>>134117470

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Why does it seem like 90% of the time a show is called pretentious, it's actually the fans that tend to be pretentious, and not the show itself?

>>134125935
Fanbase is always a worst part of every anime.

>>134125935
Projecting

>>134125935
Because that's how it is, just over 90% of the time.

>>134125935
What's also the case is that the people calling others pretentious or something pretentious are most of the time far worse than the things they are trying to ridicule.

>>134125935
Because essence doesn't exist, but only perception. The meaning of a show doesn't exist by itself, there's only the viewer's interpretation.

>>134124570
I thought this /m/eme died

>>134117470
ITT: The same shitposter who's still mad that he was too stupid to understand Hyouka and is mad at the people who talk it up for being a masterpiece

Life must be hard in the slow lane.

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>>134120990

>>134117806
It was a slice of life and did not pretend to be any more intellectual than any other slice of life. I think you're trying to read into it too much.

>>134124307
You're a 131400 hours long fart.

>>134123322
>overdirected
>Visual symbolism and metaphors are now overdirecting
So basically, you're taking a highlight of the series and pretending it's a negative by saying it as a buzzword? I'm going to guess you either didn't watch the show or didn't understand it on the off chance that you did watch it, and then just took an aspect people praised it for (that went entirely over you head) and decided to try to turn it into a complaint.

Great job getting other idiots to bite.

>>134120990
>"Luxury means something with no meaning at all."

Though I kind of like that one.

>>134128599
If you haven't noticed, this entire thread is awful and full of shitposting.

Most all mecha. Or at least the fans sure as hell act like it.

>>134128599
>Visual symbolism and metaphors are now overdirecting

>>134124161
It's blatantly trying too hard the moment they put pink filters with heart shaped pendulum to convey the message that "GIRL" and "PHEROMONE" was happening.

There's symbolism and there's that ultra clumsy and unsubtle vomit for idiots.

>>134126843
post-whateverist pls go

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>>134123583
Glasslip was so fucking terrible, it killed Kaylith and created Caffeine

>>134117470
>where are my explosions?
>where are my tits and perv jokes?
>they talk too much I feel sleepy
>it must be pretentious shit for people that think they're smart.
I dropped the show at first because it was heavy and felt asleep first couple of episodes but I gave it another chance later and once I got absorbed into the plot and characters I had a really enjoyable experience.

So in a sense the show changed me a little did I became smarter or just more pretentious?

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I can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet. GITS 2 was the biggest sack of pseudo-intellectual gibberish I've ever seen.

>>134129188
If you read all your greentext you realize that you're projecting way too hard.

>>134129329
Exactly if I managed to overcome my own lazyness, stop giving excuses and find a great show so you can.

>>134117470

I think you are the pretentious one for not liking comfy shows.

>>134129188
Yes, right now you pretend to be more smart than OP just because you finished the show

>>134122931
>Not understanding FLCL
>Not know the importance of almost every scene in it
>Not religiously cutting yourself while watching it for the 12 time

>>134129443
Oh but I watched it and found it bullshit, the bloom is annoying, the word bends on Oreki whims.
Can you be fine with my opinion or are you going to downplaying it saying that I have some kind of decease?

Basically anything by Urobuchi. Particularly Psycho Pass and Madoka.

>>134117902
I loved the first season when they were just solving random shit. It was close to Hyouka in some way which I enjoyed a lot.
Then S2 happened and it's like the writer bumped their head and forgot what he was doing before. The lack of communication and the amount of metaphors and the ambiguous dialog just to seem 2deep4u was to much to handle. Even after the countless threads analyzing this piece of shit I still don't completely understand what the hell happened and why they were fighting in the first place instead of talking about it.

>>134128703
The problem is that some shows are actually pretentious (like Subete ga F), but idiots who think everything is pretentious prevent any really dialog from happening.

>>134128876
>There's symbolism and there's that ultra clumsy and unsubtle vomit for idiots.
So you're supporting my claim that you didn't watch the show by taking one scene and using hyperbole to imply the entire show was like that? Yes, a few scenes were overt on purpose and they looked beautiful. Those weren't meant to be subtle and thought provoking, they were meant to hit you with a large amount of character emotions conveyed through visuals (because it's a visual fucking medium) as opposed to banal dialog.

"Overdirected" just means "They actually put effort into directing it." You're an idiot.

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Is Hyouka Kyoanis Monogatari killer?

>>134124830
The series itself isn't very pretentious but fans of the series think it is.

>>134128953
Keep dwelling in your platonic beliefs, then.

>>134129738
>It was close to Hyouka in some way which I enjoyed a lot.
>Yahari
>Was like Hyouka
Holy fucking shit.

>>134129806
No, because Monogatari is actually deep, unlike Hyozzz

>>134129846
By that I mean that they've solved trivial tasks all the time.

>>134124115
I'm rewatching NGE now, and once you realize that all the religious stuff is a red herring, it gets a lot less pretentious and actually deep.

>>134129935
They are in no way comparable outside of "They solved problems" which can be said of virtually any series that isn't pure SoL.

>>134129865
Deep into the delicious bodies and loliservice maybe. I wouldn't say it's pretentious or deep. It tries to be clever with some jokes and dialog, but nothing too extreme or symbolic beyond fan theories. Like as if it was trying to parody stuff that is pretentious. But that is probably projection or a form of pretentiousness itself. Hyouka is pure boring though.

>>134125935
>implying pretentious people like "pretentious" shows and not obscure childrens shows from the 70s or /m/-shit
Most shows that get called pretentious are too entry level and rec-list tier for a really pretentious fanbase

>>134129752
>"Overdirected" just means "They actually put effort into directing it." You're an idiot.
Explaing too much things to your watchers is usually bad etiquette, it's just like you say: "I think you guys are not smart enough".

>>134129935
>all the time
Eh. I wouldn't quite call Saki and Rumi's problems in the first season trivial.

>>134129865
I think its Monogatari for Kyanus lickers
People who prefer moefaggotry instead of something substantial

>>134130222
Hyoka can't be compared to Monogatari, it's not comedy at all, holy shit. No one good joke in 22 series.

Ergo Proxy
Ping Pong
Subete ga F

>>134130042
>>134130163

There is a difference between problems like murder and disappearances and saving the world to oh hey we need someone to help me play tennis/hooking someone up/setting festivals and training camps. Same with hyouka.
I dunno it just felt like that to me and I'd put all of their "problems" on the same level.
I do enjoy these comfy shows though.

>>134130132
>Explaing too much things to your watchers
You're right in that explaining everything is bad. Conveying emotion through over the top visual style isn't bad, especially in a visual medium, and especially when the visuals are on fucking point and can get a series of emotions across in seconds (that pink filter scene told a short story and lasted all of a minute on screen). Having every scene be full of internal monologue from the MC explaining every thought he has and every thought he "deduces" the other characters are having would be bad in the sense that it doesn't let you think. Don't equate a few visual feast scenes to shit like that.

>>134124722
this 2bh family

>>134117470
So you are so fucking stupid that you didn't even "get" Hyouka, then got mad because you couldn't face your massive retardedness and started crying and calling it pretentious.

GJ fag, please kill yourself, you already lost at life.

>>134130471
>I dunno it just felt like that to me and I'd put all of their "problems" on the same level.
They are not remotely comparable. Hyouka doesn't tackle murder mysteries, but the "problems" in Yahari and the ways the solve them are all literally autistic teenagers who aren't even remotely human going about their autistic lives.

>ITT: retards who can't understand simple literary devices in entry-level anime

Go back to your moe and manime redditor faggots

>>134130900
Doesn't matter. It's still mundane stuff which is what I meant. Of course Hyouka did it much better but again, it's not my point.

>>134130983
>implying hyouka isn't moe as fuck
Holy shit.

>>134129846
Hyouka is way better than Yahari anyways. That is not up for debate.

>>134131023
>It's still mundane stuff
No, Yahari is literally retarded stuff and saying "They solved problems so they're alike" is like saying Toradora and Dragonball are GiTS are similar because they both had fighting.

>>134130894
Maybe you "get" it and now can call yourself a smart person ("Hyouka is a thinking man's anime" or something), isn't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syXo_JeSzuE

>>134131109
Yahari wins a plenty of awards, but what about hyouka?
I tell you a secret: Yahari characters acts like usual (and believeable) teenagers, but Hyouka characters pretends to be genius. Get it?

Do you really believe the difference between two slice of life shows is the same as the difference between Toradora and Dragonball?

You don't have to take my words that literally.
Should I rephrase it to "they both had similar themes even though yahairu dealt with it in a completely autistic way"?

>>134131285
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>>134131210
>Yahari characters acts like usual (and believeable) teenagers

>>134117470
Texhnolyze.

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>>134131210
>Yahari characters acts like usual (and believeable) teenagers
What a story, Mark.

>>134129940
Yeah, it's deep if you failed literature in High School.

Why Hyouka end was so shitty?
>muh character development and personal growth
>episode earlier, near punches his friend in a face just because he afraid of relationships
>still a beta faggot who can't even confess to girl
>people shill calling this a good writing and even a masterpiece sometimes

>>134131285
>Do you really believe the difference between two shows that don't share any real similarities outside of a very basic ideas is the same as the difference between two shows that don't share any similarities outside of a very basic idea?
Yes.

>>134131601
>Using the word beta
>Typing like a mouthbreathing ESL retard
>Thinking an adaptation of an ongoing series will end everything instead of just ending at a point where the character is more developed than he was at the start
You're an idiot.

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>>134131210
>Yahari characters acts like usual (and believeable) teenagers
You got me. Here's your (you).

Angel's Egg.

>>134131733
>more developed
No.

>>134131879
>Different outlook on life and willing to try things he wouldn't have before, and even looks forward to them now
Yes, you fucking idiot.

>>134131210
I never really bought Oreki being a genius. Certainly all of the other characters in that show were constantly reminding me of how amazing he was, but I never quite saw it. I figured most of the "mysteries" out the second they explained what the problem was, because the answer was always the most obvious answer. The only ones I didn't figure out were the festival arc one because it went on for so long and I lost interest and episode 19 because that was just flat out retarded. I guess my biggest complaint with Hyouka is how much the show dick rides Oreki the entire time.
Oh wow Oreki you are so amazing!
Nah, I'm just a normal guy it was merely coincidence that I figured it out.
Oh and he's modest as well, amazing!

I couldn't stand that.

>>134123147
I'll give you a short and sweet answer. Neither the butcher, nor the person who took over in S2, have the clout to commentate on society as a whole, and yet they both attempt to.

I still consider season 1 a decent watch, though.

>>134131677
>everything is completely different unless it's exactly the same thing

By that logic I can dismiss any two shows as different because they have different characters but both have the very basic idea of having characters

>implying there is an anime that isn't pretentious

>>134132090
No you idiot, your list of similarities ends with "They try to fix problems."

>>134132000
As author, you need to be a genius to make a believeable genius character, otherwise it will be another mary sue.
Plenty of underages likes Oreki because he is intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humour

>>134132176
But that what I was saying from the very start. The problems they fix are trivial and relate more to simple daily tasks rather than "muh emotional baggage" like say monogatari or 7 witches or whatever. Meanwhile you just go on and on that the way the solved said tasks is different thus the shows are nothing alike.

ping pong
tatami galaxy

>>134128599
I guess you can call it melodramatic.

Anime have the tendency of doing that.

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>>134121359
>Psycho Pass
i was thinking about picking it up because /a/ loved it so much and i wanted in on the meme game, what was bad about it?

>>134123322
>overdirected

Wow, just wow.

>>134132394
i can understand ping-pong, but what was so pretentious about the tatami galaxy?

>>134123633
you're right, i should get working on my backlog

>>134133047
>dat samefagging

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>>134123937
>Evangelion
is this nigger fucking serious?

>>134132977
Nothing. It's your usual man vs machine stuff with a bit of equilibrium thrown in. The themes they deal with don't seem pretentious at all to me.
Second season is a bit lacking compared to the first but that's about it.

There's literally nothing more cancerous than yahari season 2

>>134124114
except Conan. man i just love how every episode has someone dead to set the gravity of the situation

>>134132000
Hyouka is about how normal people would react if there is a mary sue in the middle of them.

He is the middlepoint of an entire group of people.

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>>134131529
>You see, funny story
EVERY TIME, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>134132000
Is he supposed to be a genius, or just clever enough to impress typical high schoolers? Solving those "mysteries" without the benefit of the audience perspective isn't amazing, but it's decently smart.

I don't remember the show doing much to make him seem brilliant beyond impressing his friends.

>crtrl f
>5 seconds per minute
>0 results
Really, /a/?

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>>134133317
>I don't remember the show doing much to make him seem brilliant beyond impressing his friends.

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>>134128040
lurker here, Hyouka was good. it didnt bore me, but at the same time i wouldn't say it was a masterpiece

shitposters gonna shit and cry about animus that made them think they're pretentious and the inner hipster will tell them to hate it. just leave them be

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>>134131130
>yahari and hyouka
>toradora and dbz

how mad are you to try and make a connection with these to try and make a point? different anon here, but you should make better examples

>>134133317
The show goes out of its way to show you how amazing Oreki is. It's the same reason why I never liked the cast of Cowboy Bebop.

>>134123322
>overdirected
Jesus, I could see this being said about Kekkai Sensen or Kyousougiga, where the excessive visual direction actually gets in the way of the story telling and muddles the plot unnecessarily, but all the director did in Hyouka was be expressive.

The direction wasn't about constant symbolism and poetry and subtly conveying hidden messages or some shit. It's the faggots that try to argue this shit that make this show sound pretentious, when that obviously wasn't the intention. The direction is just meant to add a little magic into the portrayal of everyday life, to make the world more stimulating and beautiful, even though it is our everyday world.

Also, you're obviously retarded since the scene you're criticizing was a purposely exaggerated dream sequence -- he didn't actually say that shit aloud in case you didn't notice.

Subete ga F ni Naru

>>134126843
And this is the first truly pretentious thing I've read in this thread. Bravo.

>>134131375
Yeah you wish faggot.

>>134124016
Plenty of people on /a/ think SEL is pretentious. Pretty much anything with meaning is considered pretentious because people like to complain

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>>134123322
>overdirected

is this what what kids say nowadays when they're not done their middle school english homework?

>>134132000
>he figured out Hyouka's mysteries
Yeah OK champ.

>>134133544
>The direction is just meant to add a little magic into the portrayal of everyday life, to make the world more stimulating and beautiful, even though it is our everyday world.

And they overdid it.

>>134133531
It's been years so maybe I'm just forgetting, but how? He solves some problems, and people that couldn't solve them are impressed. He's not outsmarting the greatest criminal minds in the world or anything.

>>134133070
Ping Pong has even less potential pretension than TG, faggot

>>134133744
>no new IP

that samefagging is so strong.

>>134122931
>Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
>nonsense literature
Pfft, bet you just don't know shit about chess.

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>>134123937
>Evangelion for starters.

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>>134133544
Hyouka was basically running from one melodramatic scene to the next one, while the theme of the show was just trivial nonsense.

Stuff like Hyouka happens when people don't trust the story, plot and characters to carry the show.

>>134132000
Congratulations, you are now Satoshi.

Guys, I actually have one. Ready?

Patlabor 2

>>134133676
At least we can agree that the majority of anime isn't actually pretentious and people just pretend (eh..) it to be.

>>134123343
Akane straight up acknowledges that the Sibyl system is flawed but still the best option for a society compared to the clusterfuck going on outside of Japan.

>>134133358
>5 seconds per minute
Bahaha, you're so retarded. It's 5 centimters per second, and I agree. I tried to watch it with a friend and we couldn't stop laughing at all the people speaking in poems. No natural dialog at all. It was stunning to look at, though.

>>134133818
>potential pretension

kill yourself

>>134133781
Except they didn't at all. There were like, what, 5 extremely visually exaggerated scenes in the whole show? And they were all Chitanda/Oreki scenes, so it was consistent. Anything else was just good animation.

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>>134124055
>>134128599
>>134133544
>>134133744
all these dubs and you're still telling yourself i'm samefagging

>>134133831 how mad, anon-kun?

>>134134106
> 5 extremely visually exaggerated scenes in a single episode

fixed

>>134117470
Hi Toki!

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Touhou is a better fucking anime than this shit.

>>134133952
>having good animation and direction
>suddenly that means the plot and characters were too weak to carry the show
I don't agree with this at all, the visuals were beautiful but they didn't overpower any other aspect of the show, in my opinion. Unlike in Kekkai Sensen, not once did the visuals actually changed how you would have perceived the plot. They made have added details and understanding, as they should, but the lady in charge of Kekkai Sensen straight up fucked up the plot by doing crazy visual shit.

What you're complaining about is just not liking the story and characters, which is fair. But trying to blame it on the directing, when the directing was, if not great, at least completely benign, is utterly incomprehensible to me.

>>134134188
Still waiting on a reason why it's pretentious.

I wonder if these shifty threads show up daily on /lit/ too

>>134133981
Yep, that I definitely agree with.

>>134133544
Funny that the Mayaka subplot around the school festival and later were so much better because KyoAni was pretty grounded in the visual language for her drama.

>>134134214
Hyouka reminds me of Oreki itself.
It opens the mouth, but can't say anything.

>>134134225
everytime somebody shits on your garbage anime the little keks come out of the woodworks to defend it

>>134134214
>suddenly adding animations to the mix

You are a little desperate, Hyouka fanboy.

>>134134289
Yet people rarely defend their reasons for shitting on an anime.

>>134134141
Name some. And don't say the visuals that coincide with Oreki explaining his solutions and that shit because that's not an exaggerated portrayal of daily life by any means.

Things like him meeting Chitanda and him think about confessing to Chitanda were exaggerated portrayals of daily life. What are some other instances where this happened? Him in the tea house with blue senpai? What else? I honestly can't think of any other scenes to support your stupid ass fucking complaints.

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>>134134346
If it's one thing more retarded than Ping Pong, it's Ping Pong's fanbase.

>>134123400
its still pretentious shit, just look at the reviews

>>134134289
That wasn't an answer.

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>this scene
>hyoukafags still shitting on fanservice in other shows

>>134133831
You're overdirecting your confidence; obviously a previous poster ITT replied and it was not samefagging baka desu

>>134134214
Visuals didn't get in the way of Kekkai Sensen's plot; the show didn't have a good plot to fit in 12 episodes to begin with.

>>134134378
>And don't say the visuals that coincide with Oreki explaining his solutions and that shit because that's not an exaggerated portrayal of daily life by any means.

>It doesn't count because reasons.

>>134134432
It's easier to just talk shit to a retard than to talk sense to him.

>>134134473
Yeah, a poster who already posted in the thread suddenly decided to reply to one of the first posts in this thread.

And it happens several times.

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came here because i knew you faggots would mention it.
so im just going to claim my waifu.

>>134134317
Look, retard, I'm not even trying to defend the content of the show. If you didn't like the story or characters, fine, call it shit, I don't care. Those are completely valid complaints, considering the plot and drama were pretty fucking heavy-handed at times.

I just can't comprehend how someone could blame the directing/visuals for this. It's purely a writing issue. The show was average in every aspect EXCEPT the visuals, and that's what people pick on to call it pretentious?

What I see is this: Hyouka had average writing, and great visuals. Now people call it pretentious because of the one thing it was actual good at, instead of the one thing people praise but it was actual mediocre at. How is this logical? Why are people this retarded?

>>134123343
And that's exactly the center of the entire story. You and I already agree while viewing the show that Sybil is retarded. So how can an entire country agree to run it? We then discover that their society is actually an oligarchy where sociopath's minds take decisions and judge others (the fact that they even invite makishima shougo to join them is pretty much a proof of that) and want to maintain that kind of status quo.
Second season aside, the movie reaffirms this: Sybil also has imperialistic desires and makes a very complicated plan to expand its influence outside Japan, and Kogami (the "hero" of our point of view) wants to stop this. It's more of a dictatorship, big brother, or whatever you wanna call it.

First season's plot was interesting and entertaining, I personally enjoy these kind of "chases" after an unknown and unidentified enemy, and the subplot was indeed how their society was improperly managed, and only a few, Akane and her crew, realized that. The contradictions of the system are real (like you underline: the facts that not event eh enforcers of this system themselves believe in it) and that's exactly what drives the characters.

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Without any doubt.

>>134134481
>says visuals are unrealistic and exaggerated
>tries to defend this fact with scenes that aren't even real and are exaggerated for the sake of the reveal
Because that makes sense.

>>134134537
There is nothing wrong with a story about boys and girls doing trivial things. 4/5 of all youth literature works this way.

Is just the overselling it as a mix of Sherlock Holmes and coming of age drama, that hurts the show.

>>134134537
People praise hyouka for good visuals and don't care about something else.

>>134134475
Visuals got in the way of it being even remotely coherent, at least. I fucking hate that director, she unnecessarily muddles pretty good shows.

What's so bad about an anime making you feel smart? If anime can make you feel happy, sad, bored or horny, why not smart?

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>>134117470
This shit is the most pretentious show I've seen in a while.

>>134126843
THIS

>>134134537
Hyouka's writing is much better than people give it credit for. The characters were excellent.

>>134134598
Exactly, EXACTLY, and that's a writing problem, not a visual problem.

>>134134599
So? It has good visuals, it should be praised for that. Does that alone make it a 10/10 show? No, and you're right that the people who say that are stupid. But just because the rest of it is meh doesn't mean people can't point out the aspects that were good.

>>134134626
Intelligence is not an emotion or a state of mind. It's a human property, which can't be altered significantly by just watching chingchong cartoons, just like watching anime can't immediately transform you into a bodybuilder.

>>134134662
I actually agree, but I understand many of the complaints people have about the writing. In particular, many of the mysteries themselves were heavy-handed and their solutions were sometimes unsatisfactory. I also think that the characters were fantastic, though.

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>>134134443
i dont get it. a show has a fanservice scene here and there and people immediately jump on it? what's next, getting mad at swords for being cliche?

you cancerous fags will argue about anything almost to the point where you'd fit well with the tumlblr-tards

>>134134652
What does the F stand for?

Fedora?

>>134134678
>Exactly, EXACTLY, and that's a writing problem, not a visual problem.

The books didn't have crazy visuals and they were successful.

>>134134662
Who know about this novel before anime?

>>134134760
Fifteen.

Although I fucking hope not, it would be so retarded if they were right.

>>134134582
maybe it was because i was sick, or i was cold, but i dropped this shit so hard when they kept trying to show all these abstract backgrounds and camera angles

was there any merit to this show after episode 1?

>>134134612
Were you the one complaining about Kyousougigs earlier? I loved the directing in that, it was so lively imaginative. I felt that it never got in the way of the plot. It did get really rushed towards the end because it was crammed in 11 episodes though.

>>134134727
Not the same dude, but I think we could agree that "feeling smart" in an anime is like "I got that reference".
You watch something and notice a small detail that otherwise a less intelligent person so to say would have ignored.

Reminder: pretentious doesn't mean bad.

>>134134770
I'm pretty sure they're not that popular, actually.

>>134134787
Enough people for getting manga adaptations before KyoAni and the fact that people decided to make an anime about it in the first place.

>>134134727
I didn't say it'd make you smart, just that it'd make you feel smart. And that is a state of mind.

>>134134844
Successful enough for getting a high budget anime by KyoAni.

They didn't randomly decide to pick Hyouka.

>>134134760
Everything becomes fun

So, can we all agree that Hyouka is overrated show?

>>134134830
No, I wasn't. I like Kyousougiga and I appreciated what the director was trying to do, but at times it didn't succeed as well as she wanted. I think part of the problem is that it was anime-original and the plot was kinda underdeveloped as a result. I think Kyousougiga was solid overall though.

Kekkai Sensen, on the other hand, was treated HORRIBLY with her directing style. Instead of learning from Kyousougiga, her bad habits worsened and the plot was fucking disregarded. I was looking forward to her growth, but she regressed instead.

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>>134134932
NO!

>>134134803
yes the best girl in this whole media.

>>134134908
>implying KyoAni makes shows based on what's popular
They've been doing whatever the fuck they wanted the past few years.

>>134134839
>>134134856
Exactly, people begin to think they're super smart because they watched evangelion and start spewing retarded pseudointellectual bullshit, despite the fact that they are clearly not geniuses.

I'm of the opinion that there aren't really pretentious anime, in a sense. There are pretentious directors/studios/whatever, and there are pretentious audiences. Any show in itself is not pretentious, it is up to either the intent of the producer or the interpretation of the audience.

>>134134932
Too many don't like sol to being with for it to be overrated

>>134135004
idiot

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>>134134988
man, anime sure looked like shit before kyoani

>>134135013
I agree. And there's nothing wrong with liking a show with a lot of references (personally I like those that reference other anime), as long as you don't go around saying it's the most intellectual and deep thing ever.

>>134134988
Just fucking wow

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>>134135092

>>134135190
Those are from the same anime. Same episode even.

>>134135269
>the joke
>your head

Pretendious stock exchange software commercial by Shaft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpqT7cAF8lM

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>>134135301
mfw you couldn't follow what battler was going through when he was sitting down with beatrice

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not only is it pretentious it's also overrated

>>134135312
>the joke
>your head