Why does the battle harem genre consistently produce bad Anime?

>harem
You answered your own question

>harem
Gee, I wonder.

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Because instead of doing some character developement they implement even more dumb bitches like this unnecessary character.

>>134109708
This action harem is doomed to fail by virtue of its own concept. There's no way to make the females credible characters an no matter how competent or good they may seem the temptation to make them inferior to MC is too great for mediocre writers not to fall into it.

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Are there any harems where the non main girls even stand a chance?

cuz every time I see a harem it ends up being two people who would probably get together naturally, if slowly getting cock blocked by some bitches who can't take a hint

It fails because instead of trying to make the characters interesting and give them depth, it instead keeps adding girls of varying gimmicks, in which the girls will never grow out of their gimmicks. In general, battle haremshit suffers from having to focus on battle and harem, in which it tries to do both battle and harem, instead of focusing on one or the other. It fails at having interesting fight scenes, instead relying on inane powerups and secret attacks, and fails at harem in which every volume adds a new girl, until there's so many girls that you'll never remember them.

I miss infinite stratos

>watching harems

You're as bad as 3DPD whores who rub it to shitty romance novels

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>>134109684
>implying anything with Zeon can be bad
Feds have the worst taste.

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>>134112524

go lick Ramba Ral's sweaty old man balls you pathetic faggot

Rokujouma wasn't bad though

Admittedly the harem was mostly battling itself but I digress.

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writing an action romance is hard enough; focusing on one takes away from the other.

harem isn't even romance, the relationships are a one way street. the guy does something impressive, the girls swoon, rinse, repeat.

there isn't even any character development, the whole genre plays on getting reactions out of cookie cutter arch types. there must be a dozen shows that are just tsundere girls doing cute things. why are they tsundere? because that type of character is popular, full stop.

>>134112699


it wouldn't even be so bad if the guy in the middle of it all wasn't just some bland indecisive idiot

>>134112699
>harem isn't even romance, the relationships are a one way street. the guy does something impressive, the girls swoon, rinse, repeat.
Um...there are plenty of romances where the girls actively set out to seduce the guy who is either thickheaded or devoted to one girl/something other than women

There are also mixed bag harems where the guy is out to seduce one or more women while one or more women are out to seduce the guy

Admittedly actual 2 way harems where both sides actively try to develop the romance as a whole are rare as shit, but those as are a minority in nonharem romances too so that just goes to figure.

In fact, I'd say female pursuer harems are probably more common than male pursuer harems if you carry the tsundere cockblocking

>>134112545
>implying Zeon doesn't have superior women
Haman, Purus, etc.

>>134112806
2-way harems can't really exist

when you have a guy with actual initiative and 6 girls in love with him for him to pick from it's not very long before he has a girlfriend and the harem dynamic is over

being dense as lead is necessary for a harem to continue longer than a couple episodes

>>134112841

Neo Zeon isn't Zeon.

>Haman, Purus, etc.

Dead Dead

>>134112857
>there aren't harem protagonists actively seeking harems
I know they're rare, but come on you can't be this ignorant.

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>>134112602

>Rokujouma
>battle harem

>>134112602
Rokujouma was shit and you knw it.

>>134112761
Even if the guy in between it all was indecisive and stupid, it would still be bearable if he wasn't some autistic faggot that constantly screams whenever he sees a girl and acts like he's mortally allergic to them.

>>134113286

better yet, he should at least do something beyond show basic courtesy.

We're supposed to see him as this supper kind and caring individual when the sum of what he ever does is just normal manners

>>134109684
>consistently

IS season 1 + the OVAs were very good
Strike the Blood was also very good

>harem isn't even romance, the relationships are a one way street. the guy does something impressive, the girls swoon, rinse, repeat.
What the fuck do you think alpha guys in real life do? I've seen women fall in love with complete retards just because they look cute and can play sports well.

What shows are battle harems?

>>134113543
90% of all anime out there.

>>134109684
Because it's a shit genre that relies on not developing anything.

>>134113543
Infinite Stratos is one, for sure. Rakudai probably is and Anti-Magic Platoon. Not sure if Zero no Tsukaima and Tenchi Muyou are.

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>>134109684

>battle harem
>girls don't fight each other for the MC

Anime is a joke.

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>>134113581

El Hazard? Im a bit hesitant to count it becuase it's more a fantasy adventure with harem elements

>>134109684
>Why does the battle harem genre consistently produce bad Anime?

the battle harem genre does consistently bad
why produce anime?
FTFY

>>134109684
Because harems are inherently poor quality as soon as they try to have any hint of serious narrative.

>>134113615
I'd watch that. Especially if it was a "Highlander-esque" fight to the death.

>mixing action with harem
>most of the capable fighters are female
I can only suspend my disbelief so much

plus the typical problems most harems have, such as several shallow romances instead of a good one, and a lack of supporting male characters make the MC end up being bland since he only exists to interact with the girls

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>>134113615
You might be onto something there, anon. I'd watch it.

>>134113514
I responded under the assumption that were talking about good and bad in the artistic sense. watching micheal bay movies, or just youtube videos of people getting kicked in the balls may be enjoyable, but they aren't "good".
if we're talking about shows that focus entirely on how kawaii they can make the girls, it's more porn than anything.

>What the fuck do you think alpha guys in real life do?
I obviously meant romance in the narrative sense. watching a reality show about actual romance would be boring as fuck

>>134113674

well I think the issue is more, MECHANICAL, than anything else.

Let's say the average harem anime has around 13 episodes.

At least half of those will be spent introducing the girls. If we're lucky a smaller Harem can get the whole cast together by episode 6.

That leaves 4 episodes for actual relationship building, which is hard when spread across 5 girls and one hero and any side characters and villains And we have to set up a central conflict and some kind of final so we're stuck with 3 episodes to get one big arc where it's time to resolve things.

there's just not enough time to juggle all this shit

>>134113581
>Zero no Tsukaima
Yes
>Tenchi Muyou
No

>>134113646
If El Hazard counts, Tenchi Muyou and Isekai should too, right? Also I think Madan no Ou to Vanadis, HS DXD, and Shinmai Maou no Testament are good examples of what constitutes as a battle harem.

>>134113615
there was that one manga set as a death game where the girl who didn't win the guy's affection died gruesome deaths.

too bad it was shit

>>134109684

Because the author doesn't need to do anything to get the viewers interest. It has action and lots of babes.

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>>134113514
>Strike the Blood was also very good

So this is what it means to have sub- human taste in anime huh?

>>134113802
>artistic sense
We're talking about anime, you dumb fuck. Most anime aren't artistically good because they are generally based on mass production light novels/manga. Being enjoyable is good for the genre the same way Michael Bay movies are.

>>134112118
Yes, pretty much any harem where people get mad over the girl who wins. Except OreImo, I don't know what people expected from that.

Doesn't it just boil down to bad writing?
Also, I thought Trinity Seven was okay

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>>134113900
>does not enjoy IIE SENPAI
So why do you hate fun?

>>134113900
>hates StB
>posts Noragami
I think you might want to check a mirror if you're looking for subhuman taste, anon.

>>134113928

such as?

Keep in mind triangles are not harems

>>134114097
>if she wins, I'll eat my shit
>she wins

>>134113900
Strike is really, really good, man. I just watched it like over Thanksgiving after ignoring it for months, and I was surprised by how much it was like the older sci-fi fight series in the 90s were. And the production values stayed pretty high for 24 eps almost consistently and the OVA was pretty well made.
It was a pretty fun and comfy show and I love the characters in it.

>>134114150
It also had high tier females and a respectably non-shit MC.

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I tend to find that the less the harem part is essential to core of the show the better it is.

Take El Hazard as the example. Fun little fantasy adventure where a group of kids go on a quest to rescue a princess and shit. Hero impresses some ladies and gets a harem but the story is still about their actual adventure.

Dual, again, kids fighting in an alternate world for control of ancient relics with giant robots.

A lot of non harem shit happens in these shows

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The harem genre itself is flawed as that once one girl is chosen the harem ceases to exist and the story ends.
The core of the show is set in the transient phase between meeting a girl and entering a relationship with the girl.
This transient phase is focused on and it is artificially prolonged into a semi-permanent status by various means:
- Add several girls to make the decision seem harder.
- Make the MC as indecisive and obvlious as possible.
- Create a setting that has nothing to do with romance to have a story that overshadows the harem and is able to infinitely prolong the decision process to create as much content as possible.
This alone shows that it isn't easy to create a harem story that feels somehow natural and good.

There are also many different types of harem categorized by how they end:
1. MC ends up with one girl.
2. MC ends up with every girl.
3. MC ends up with no girl.
Obviously 2. is the best category, but 1. is the most common, it can be further subdivided:
a. The chosen girl is declared at the start or very early which makes the show more of a romance with harem elements.
b. The chosen girl is hinted at but the show pretends every girl had a fair chance while it's obvious she doesn't. Worst kind of harem show, IS is a prime example.
c. The chosen girl is genuinly undetermined and only emerges slowly over the course of the story. Tends to cause high amounts of butthurt.

>>134114791
>4. MC ends up with every girl except the class rep, fuck that bitch I'm happy with my 5 surrogate mothers, my 2 foster sisters, my surrogate sister, and my mother's formerly lesbian stalker that now swings both ways because the D is strong with this one, class rep can get doubleteamed by her two male stalkers for all I care

>>134115040
I kind of wanna know what you are talking about now yet at the same time I'm slightly terrified of the setting.

>>134115040
>>134115084
That sounds like Happy Lesson.

>>134115155
If it sounded like anything else I'd be concerned

>>134115084
Happy Lesson, literally the only girl the MC doesn't end up with is the only one that would have been a healthy relationship and it ends 5 seconds before a rooftop wedding dress orgy

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Well I barely even bother animes with Kirito's Harem Syndrome MC now, but somehow I actually like Strike the blood.
Probably because he actually fucked them all

>>134109684
Because the formula is retarded from the get go. It's pushing harem for the sake of harem and battles for the sake of battles. If the people in charge weren't virgin retards ruled by fucktards editors they'd push both of them for the sake of fun.

>>134114791

it's just such a weird genre. Im all for romantic complications but it's very rarely handled with any degree of actual weight or conflict.

it's just the MC the Main girl and 4+ other girls who always get in the formers way when they have no shot.

Hero and Heroine will be talking and the conversation will be going nicely but then some blond bitch will chirp in WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH MY MC! and then the mood is ruined.

How many girls seem to even care about the heroes feelings?

>>134115155
>>134115416
Looked it up, from what you described I was really expecting a hentai.

>>134115496
Yeah, that's the most cheapest and uninspired way a harem can be done and yet even that kind of shit sells better than lots of better anime.
And stories that put actual effort into the different relationships like Saekano are sadly rare.

>>134115490
>Probably because he actually fucked them all

elaborate

>>134115550

and you know I could understand the hesitation if the hero actually had a real relationship with the girls and in a way loved them all.

That's a big decision that can effect your whole life and there's also the hesitation of not wanting to hurt the others.

but we don't get that. We get idiots who wouldn't get that the girls where into him if they started sucking his duck then and there

>>134115657
A male MC with actual character depth, genuine feelings upon which he is able to reflect, and internal conflicts about his relationships with several girls?
That's something only writers with actual talents can pull off, and they seem to be the minority as long as fanfiction-tier shitters can succesfully sell their generic wish-fulfilling fantasies to otaku crowds with abysmally low standards.

>>134113216
Kill yourself retard.

>>134115416
I think I've indulged enough H materials (doujin, manga, VN, etc) that I could probably name a something for the individual parts but can still only think of Happy Lesson if taken as a whole.


>>134115550
Those kind of "harem comedy/SOL" tend to have plots so stupid you'd think they belong more to a hentai. I guess I should write a few ones to see if
- One guy who is sent to an island to end up with twelve girls who all claim to be his little sister
- Gynoids sent from the future to eliminate MC only to end up developing feelings for their target
- MC's pets are reincarnated into cute girls and now they want to repay his kindness by being of service to him

>>134115770
>That's something only writers with actual talents can pull off
Explain Highschool DxD then

>>134115770
>A male MC with actual character depth, genuine feelings upon which he is able to reflect, and internal conflicts about his relationships with several girls?
No, that shit sucks. While you think this sounds good, all you'll have is some dumbass that you're angry about because he's too indecisive and he's literally telling you on screen why.

>>134115770

It's not really hard though. Just have the guy realize the girls feelings would be enough. harem hijinks would still ensue and break up most tense moments and in the quiet time you could just have them get along like normal people combine that with each girl having a little arc where they overcome some personal shit and boom.

>>134113216
> FUckin Die

>>134116025
>While you think this sounds good, all you'll have is some dumbass that you're angry about because he's too indecisive and he's literally telling you on screen why.

as oppose to just being plain retarded?

At the end of the day I can respect not wanting to hurt the girls and being hesitant on a major decision more than I can him just not getting the signal by a huge amount

>>134115975
I haven't watched it. Does it stand out in some positive way?

>>134116025
What you are describing would be a bad-written male MC, I was thinking of a good-written one. Theoretically it's possible.

>>134116047
Aren't there already shows like that?

>>134116100
>Does it stand out in some positive way?

Issei actually wants to fuck his harem

>>134116025
>>134116099
>>134116100
Takayuki of Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, while understandable given the circumstance he's in, made the series feel more like a telenovela/soap-opera. It works well in a VN / ADV game but in an medium wherein the audience is passive (no input from them) it's more likely to frustrate people when he spends more of his time worrying/reflecting instead of taking actions.

The Lime-iro series is a dumb, brainless romp but I like how its cast are aware of their relationships (MC knows the girls' feeling, the girls know the feelings of one another towards MC and don't deny it).

>>134116246
Options, dude. It's all about options.

Heck, even in a plain love triangle in a shoujo show, there are people who prefer X gets paired with Y instead of Z as the canon dictates.

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Are social standards so strong in such stories that a true harem end can only happen if the MC is something like a Demon Lord and the whole setting is removed far enough from the usual daily reality?

>>134109708
thank you based anon

>>134113514
>strike the blood was also very good
did we watch the same show anon

>>134116171
Not actually does remember EX guys has 20 kids
>>134109684
Op just has bad taste, the harem frankly idiotic, there are to many of this shit harem where the guy is so stupid he has no clue that the girls have feels for him and most of the girls have dumb personalities maybe this is a take on what the average Japanese male wants.

>>134109684
>Why does the battle harem genre consistently produce bad Anime?
Because they stopped going for the Harem End like the Tenchi-verse does.

They copied Tenchi but neutered the aspect that ends up making the story interesting, which is how the male love interest manages to keep all female suitors at bay yet content with being co-bride/co-girlfriends.

The very nature of modern Harems going for "one true girlfriend" is what leaves them doomed from the get-go.

>>134112111
>This action harem is doomed to fail by virtue of its own concept. There's no way to make the females credible characters an no matter how competent or good they may seem the temptation to make them inferior to MC is too great for mediocre writers not to fall into it.
I disagree, go watch Isekai if you want to enjoy a decent action harem anime (decent by action standards and outstanding from a harem standpoint).

The anime/manga/LN industry has a perfectly valid template on how they should be doing these things but refuse to do so because Japan apparently prefers a "everybody but one ship loses" situation.

>>134115591
fanged everyone in the series itself. time traveling daughter confirms she has half sisters from other girls

>>134116171
So does Basera and unlike Isshei, he actually gets to do really really lewd stuff with them on a daily bases, They've nutted to eeach other multiple times but they can't get the dick and he can't get the Vag because of a bad plot device that makes no since I just wish that shitty novel didn't take shit so seriously, it should be like Adam no whatever the title is, That MC fucks everybody and even rapes a girl but it's all good

>>134109684
Who cares if they're bad? They're still entertaining and I have fun watching them.
If the market is saturated with this kind of series, I might as well try to find some enjoyment out of them.

>>134117082
IIE SENPAI
WATASHITACHI NO KENKA DESU

>>134109684
Harem is never good when it's the main focus of the anime. If it's just added there like in Code Geass then it became good.

>>134109684
Still thinking some of these characters were good but wasted in that show.

>>134109684
Does the anime industry consistently produce bad anime?

>rewatch STB
>want to know what happen after
>Season 2 never, only 2 EP OVA
>ok fine, I will read the book
>there are 13 books and its finished!
>check fan translation site
>they only translated 6 chapters before thry dropped it because the series got lincense
>ok fine I will buy it then, went to kindle and ready to buy
>oh it's actually listed
>volume 1 released date March 2016
Fuck I guess I better off learning moon now

>>134117801

well any industry will by default continue to produce shit simply by basic probability

>>134109684
>Why does the battle harem genre consistently produce bad Anime?

They were made in the wrong era.
We just have a bad audience.

>>134109684
>Why does the battle harem genre consistently produce bad Anime?
It is a consistently shit genre. What do you expect the animation studio to do when they are working with shit? It's like giving a chef a bucket of vomit to work with and expecting a prime rib steak and red wine sauce.

Stop bumping shit threads, people.

Why does [genre I dislike] consistently produces bad anime?

>>134118683
No, fuck off and learn how the sage function works.

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>>134118730
I am not even sure what you are mad about.

>>134117197
Thanks for reminding me that I should finish the Ryo-Ohki continuation. I'm at OVA 2

So then what counts as a good battle harem anime?

I'm going to say that one that just aired recently, with the girl that blew up about chunibyou or whatever.