There will be something like that, but all will be probably a ruse and in fact she wanted to take revenge at him, but she will not tell that to Guts because muh drama.
It'd be a middle-finger to have Casca disappear looking for Griffith after all this time, but I imagine there will be some friction like this in having her join the new group.
>spend entire year looking after a bitch
>black man she hates comes back and deflowers her within a day
Casca gets her mind back and is like "yo guts can we just get married and live on this island, the rape wasn't even that bad"
and he's all like "buuuut revengggge..."
then she's like "do you really need to get revenge for corkus and the rest? they were pricks"
What are you talking about anon, everything went by so fast.
Remember when skull knight said she might not want to go back to being normal?
SHES NUCLEAR, SHES WILD
Through a lot of convoluted bullshit, Griffith is defeated and the Godhand is forced to fuck off. Guts may not be the one who kills Griffith. Somewhere along the way, Guts and Casca's brands are removed. It's a happy ending, but shit still sucks on the whole.
No he just made their kid omniscient
I get the feeling that when her mind is pieced together shell end up going full blown psycho. Itll probably be something about her wanting revenge more than guts but guts already decided he wants to give up on it.
I get the feeling that when her mind is pieced together shell end up going full blown psycho. Itll probably be something about her wanting revenge more than guts but guts already decided he wants to give up on it. So theyre conflicted.
She travels on to kill griffith and becomes the brown reaper. Because shes brown. And she can kill shit.
Berserk is going to end with Guts killing Griffith with the latter saving himself by sacrificing Falconia for his life. By doing so, Griffith, just like Void before him, will go to the Astral and the cycle will begin again.
And just like Skull Knight before him, Guts will have to wait 1000 years to be able to kill Griffith.
Guts will have to wait 1000 years for a new messiah to rise up and bring the God Hand down like Void did 1000 years ago.
That will be Gut's end. Waiting 1000 years to complete his revenge.
As for his party, everyone's probably going to die.
Falconia is going to be raided by mercenaries, rape and pilaging will be everyone, no one will be spared and everyone will die.
The reason Miura is spending so much time showing how Falconia is beautiful is so that he can destroy it. The mercenary army will be historically seen as a dark menace that destroyed the greatest place on earth and only a select few will know the truth that Falconia was the one who brought the world to ruin.
And after the Tree of Life is cut down (somehow, that shit is huge as fuck), everything will return to normal.
However, all kingdoms will be ruined and destroyed due to all the fantasy monsters that have destroyed everything.
So, in the end, Berserk will end as it began 1000 years ago, without any kingdoms, only clans with endless fighting, just as it was in Skull Knight's time.
A spiral spins counter and returns to where it began with a slight difference.
That's how Berserk is going to end.
With everything in ruin.
>Basuzo was alive, he's been training for years, and kills Griffith with 1 hit
>She finally awakens
>She hugs guts
>But she reveals her intense lust for revenge
>Guts is all like "but muh peace"
>Casca wont have it
>They argue, casca walks off
>Next month or so is a training montage of a half naked casca training her delectable, muscular brown body to kill apostles
>She leaves elfheim and she gets her own mini arc
She finally gets to griffith but she makes him wet and she forgets about revenge
In skeleton knight's final moments he feeds griffith all his behelits.
Griffith's armor gets powered up and he rampages through the god hand and ends up at god.
Without the hand god can't interact with the world so he tries to convert guts into the new hand. They become locked in endless combat; guts fights, is eventually struck down and gets resurrected to either convert or fight again.
Ends with something like "And the world knows peace, for a time."
>>Guts is all like "but muh peace"
That's because I misread.
Sorry about that, I thought you said Griffith.
Did you miss when, after being mired in darkness and vengeance so long, someone finally told him "stop, retard" and he re-prioritized by making Casca the most important thing to him?
Guts is so great. Is there anyone that doesn't like him after reading this series?
Imagine what'd happen to her during
I remember. I honestly think it'll just take one tragedy for him to slip back into old habits though. The party is far too happy right now. The Black beast is still there somewhere.
That's very predictable, dear. I'm sure the author has thought of something more original after so long.
Heh, now this is just pathetic. Good try, anon. I'm sure that's going to save this thread.
>someone is taking down one by one the translated chapter off the internet
No wonder we cant read it yet
She ran back to pic related.
it wouldn't matter because her astral body will always be connected to Guts'
Also Miura has been taking so long to write new chapters because he's wrecking his brain over how to turn the manga into a loli harem anyways
Schierke's body dies while her ethereal body is attachedto Guts's, her ethereal body is forever trapped in the armor and she has to fight her own war against the Hellhound while also hiding from it at the risk of being consumed.
Eventually, she comes to tame the Hellhound by drawing her own power from the armor, allowing Guts to tap deeper into the Hellhound's power, taking on a pseudo-Apostle form. But at first loses control and has to force Guts out into the wilderness where he goes nuts for days at a time, slaughtering animals by the hundreds until she overpowers it.
Here is what going to happen
>Caska got her memory back
>she hates guts to death because everything that went wrong was because that he left the hawk band. And she didn't want her memories back
>she is furious because guts is with another troupe even though he said he didn't want that back then
>the hawk pops on the island and caska go with him to try to change his heart
>everyone in guts jrpg troupe dies an agonizingly slow death in the inevitable rescue caska/kill the hawk arc
>guts goes batshit bloodthirsty insane again and ends up becoming a skull knight like being, killing griffith
>on the last battle, he alongside skullknight kill the rest of godhand alongside god or whatever returning all fantasy beings to their astral plane
>guts is shown crying on the end with a hellhoundsuit akin to how skullknight got his.
A psuedo-time skip
If time passes differently on the island, it could be faster or slower. Meaning whatever they do on the island, it could be minutes/hours on the outside or years. I would like to see it be faster time progression, to see how the other God Hands set up their locations and to get some people older on the outside like Rickert.
However that doesn't solve Guts and co not being strong enough to fight Griffith and his apostles yet. So it would also make more sense if time passes more slowly, so the months they spend on the island only go by as a few days at best outside.
Maybe I just lack imagination, but I think it would be really pointless if time just passed slower. Like
>Alright, time to leave the island
>Oh wow, everything is exactly like when we arrived
>Oh wow, everything is exactly like when we arrived
They haven't been to the mainland in ages, nor have they seen Falconia. Remember after Skeleton Knight cut Ganishka, the world was flooded with creatures they have never seen before.
The magazines usually have authors notes, but the notes are usually just things they want to say. Kubo talked about his bathroom alot.
Hey, Hawk. A woman who is this into Berserk must be worth at leaast getting to know. How do I go about that?
Also I think Guts is gonna die.
Azan is DEFINITELY gonna die.
Serpico and/or Farnese are a maybe.
Schierke is safe.
Isidro is safe.
Izma is not important enough to die.
Griffith is also a maybe.
I'm not savvy enough to predict where the story will go.
I guess so, but you could do that without slowing the time too.
Right, but those changes have already happened. They have nothing to do with a timeskip.
You can contact me at my official 4chan email, but I don't feel really enthusiastic lately about meeting people.
>official 4chan email
You're not messing with me are you?
I'm very fragile.
Not that guy, but I think Miura might use the time difference on the island to handwave why nothing's TOO different when they get back. It's not that important anyway.
Guts has no way in killing the Griffith without becoming the god hand or becoming a spooky skeleton
and that's the saddest thing about Berserk.
No, it's real. I had to make it last year so that threads would be derailed less.
Does the address look too good to be real? I know it's really cool-looking. I'm kinda proud of it.
Voud is the wiseman mentioned by Mozgus.
Causality is a cycle. As mentioned by Skull Knight. Everything is happening like it was in the past but in reverse.
Here's the likely timeline overall for Berserk:
World is constantly at war. (as mentioned by Charlotte).
Skull Knight makes an empire, unites everyone and stops wars.
Void creates a cult, gets tortured by Skull Knight for being influential, comes back to Earth similar to how Griffith came back (SKull Knight says ''it's happening again''). Then Void becomes a messiah, groups people to the Empire and all cut on their forehead the brand, summoning the God and (the angels) and destroys Empire
Empire becomes small separate kingdoms.
Kingdoms endlessly at war with each other.
Griffith creates utopia and damns the rest of the world by summoning fantasy monsters.
Guts and whoever doesn't want to be a part of Falconia, band together, form an army to save the rest of the world by destroying Utopia.
The world no longer has countries or kingdom since everything is destroyed by fantasy monsters.
World goes back into war.
And the kicker is that Skull Knight has to wait 1000 years for a new messiah to be born, create an Empire/Utopia and being down the God Hand to earth.
The same will happen with Guts. After he kills Griffith, he will have to wait 1000 years for someone to unite everything, create an Empire and etc etc.
Idea of Evil is a bitch.
I never said there will be either.
The cycle happened in the past. There were 'Angels' that came to earth. And new God Hand ascended.
Guts will remain human but stay living in a shell probably the same way Skull Knight stays awake. When Puck goes around SK, he notices that he can feel some elf magic around him.
I don't know what happened to SK but it's what will likely happen to Guts by the end to keep him alive, however, this will not be a power boost, it will only keep him alive.
When Flora says 'you no longer have a heart', I think she's being literal. Skull Knight literally no longer has a heart.
>she makes him wet
>she makes him we
>she makes him w
>she makes him
>she makes hi
Is minister foss, the fat guy in court, an avatar for the fat god hand guy?
I'm rereading it now and noticing so many details
No he had a daughter and was a stupid bitch
also he was probably this guy
No, but they have similar traits.
Conrad is very much like Minister Foss. They manipulate and change people's minds and ideas with words alone. Conrad is the only who convinces Griffith while Ubik shows Griffith his subconscious. In a way, during the Eclipse, Conrad was talking directly to Griffith's subconscious.
No. The only times she appeared in the real world were this page, and later when she used troll intestines to form a body. Neither of those were real incarnations.
everyone here will die before the manga finish
or the author will die before it end
was 12 when i started read berserk, im 30....
the manga started in 1990...
what would be the age of someone who was 30 when berserk started ? he probably dead...
>If time passes differently on the island, it could be faster or slower.
The story they mentioned talked about decades passing off Island and little time on island.
So we're getting a time skip. Rickert will be a young adult. Maybe adult Jill will show up.
Rickert already exhausted that plotline don't bring it up. In retrospect to what guts has done as the black swordsman past Griffith wasn't as "worshipable". Caska would much rather make guts part of her hero complex
Is is taboo to mention Casca's experience during the rape? She was obviously into it and Miura makes this noticeable.
I think the fact she enjoyed it fucked her up beyond belief and that's one of the reasons why she's retarded now.
>but pointing out that she seems to have enjoyed it is.
I don't get this. It's a valid point to bring discussion. I mean, I fucking love Casca, but even I can tell she didn't hate it completely.
Berserk Started back when Miura was in Highschool, back in the 80s, he then made a one shot that was proto berserk and then finally got the series published, Miura has been working on Berserk most of his life.
I don't know. It looked like she hated it to me.
Miura Used hentai as a reference so that explains the blushu. Her mind and body were also pretty detached from each other and in her delirium she saw that Griffith had recovered and was ecstatic
I am kinda worried about the people who feel like they have to point it out in every thread.
I assume it is mostly people who want to make other people mad but it still implies a lot of things about your relationship to women and sex in general.
Yeah women are all sluts who would care about nothing more than sex even if it is literally by the murder on the corpses on their families.
Even strong women like caska.
Does that look like the face of someone who hates it?
There's nothing taboo about it.
Griffith has a demon cock which forces maximum pleasure upon anyone he fucks. Casca was forced to enjoy being raped even though she didn't want it.
>being literally fucked stupid
>Griffith fucked her brains out, literally
She managed to recognize Griffith and tell guts not look at her though. She was still conscious enough to do all of that.
And there were specific panels that showed Casca's "excitement ". I don't think that has a lot to do with hentai.
I'm a little girl myself, anon.
But Casca's is a special case. She loved Griffith most of her life, and she longed to be his woman.
That affected the way she reacted, I mean, come on. Even after telling Guts not to look at her she returned Femto's open-mouthed kiss.
I mean come on.
I've seen porn before where women were crying of pleasure.
It is a complex scene.
I don't think you can sum it up with "she liked it" or "she hated it"
You need think about the context.
And again. Liked it sort of implies she was fine with the murder and everything leading up to it.
It was too fast for her to really grasp everything and I am going to say that while the sex happened she already regressed back inwards.
Saying she "wanted it" sort of implies that while she was still being "saved" by judeau all she could think about was being dicked by griffith.
>told Guts not to look (that's because she's getting raped silly)
>returned his kiss
you're making it sound like it went down like this
What's with the ntrfags that want to insert as Guts and get keked totally?
I mean, if miura wanted that to be a big deal, he would have made it a big deal. She has rape trauma flashbacks of the eclipse for 20 volumes too
I've read it about 30 times all the way through. It's drawn like that because it's supposed to be erotic and traumatic to the reader, it's not going to matter whether she liked it or not in the moment. She's not gonna get her mind back and be like "I actually liked it you stupid kek, I'm going back to griffith"
This isn't drawn by Miyazaki Maya
When Guts makes it to elf island, the elf king turns him into a cute loli. This traumatizes the traumatized Caska turning her into a paralyzed vegetable which can only be fed via Shierke's magic. The kid elopes with the mermaid and dies because he can't breathe water. The elf king also discovers Farnese's old passion for fire and sets her on fire thinking that is her wish. Serpico commits suicide because this makes him sad. Numerous anon rage threads ensue.Hiatus for another year or five.
Loli Gut decides it's high time to kill Griffith. Loli Guts tells Shierke to keep vegetable Caska with Rickert because "no matter how cute you are, you can't ever lose your edge. -Gatsu Chapter 420" This finalizes Miura's descent into memehood. Guts also likes repeating mistakes.
Loli Guts makes it to Griffithland and does Guts things but lolified. He drops his behelit in the process of being badass. Sonia picks up the behelit and wishes to be Griffith's waifu. Sacrifices Griffithland in the process. Griffith is sad because "muh dream is ruined! -Griffith Chapter 489"
Griffith becomes traumatized and loli Guts kills God Hand Sonia then talks shit to him for a few chapters. He realizes how miserable Griffith is and brings him back to Rickert and co. Rickert is mad and slaps Griffith to death while Guts contemplates whether he should ntr Griffith like he did to him. Guts is too late because Rickert killed Griffith with slaps. Guts feels dead for a couple chapters but looks in the mirror and is happy because he is a qt. Gut's authentic smile recovers Caska. She cries at the grave of Griffith then leaves never to be seen again after a romantic night with loli Guts.
>"It is hard to understand the heart of a woman. -Kentaro Miura"
All is said and done and Guts no longer has purpose. Last few chapters are of Loli Guts and loli Shierke doing loli things and Rickert being happy because he is in loli paradise. "See you next time!"
I'm not saying she wanted, just that she enjoyed it because it was Griffith the one doing it. Had it been another being I bet she would've screamed the whole time and wouldn't be as fucked up as she is now.
The things she must've been feeling during that. Betrayal, pain, pleasure, love, hate.
Fucked up I tell you!!
Femto had been fucking her for a while and she was aware she was being watched by Guts. I think she told him not to look because she was enjoying it and couldn't help herself, so she was ashamed. I mean, look at this face.
Also, Miura took his time to illustrate Casca's body reaction. She was dripping wet and her feet trembled. That's more than what she felt with Guts. Which yet again, would bring Shame for her.
She never remembers Femto doing her though.
>it's not going to matter whether she liked it or not in the moment
Whether it matters or not is irrelevant. People are just curious and want to know the truth, that's all.
It's true. People often try to claim that it was blood, but blood isn't transparent.
>Whether it matters or not is irrelevant. People are just curious and want to know the truth, that's all.
yeah she had an orgasm /discussion
let's jack off and start talking about how Berserk has like 6 doujins, and non of them are Griffith NTRing caska
>just that she enjoyed it
Yeah but what do you want to get out of that?
Lets say, for the sake of argument, she enjoyed it.
Griffith didn't do anything wrong? It wasn't rape then? Guts shouldn't heal her? Casca is a whore? All women are whores? Guts is kekold? Anyone reading Berserk is a kekold? Rape is not rape if the women cums?
Why for the love of fucking god has the first reply to any berserk thread be some variation of "Casca enjoyed it"?
Dead you read the thread? That was a response to the fact that it's not going to matter in the longrun and Caska would never be like "I'd totally get raped by my first love in front of my boyfriend on top of all my friends' corpses"
Pffft, nah, it's funnier if Griffith fucked her brains out.
I really love the rape in the Eclipse. Miura complete outdone himself and blew nearly all the mind break h-manga out of the water by literally mind breaking Casca rather than simply reducing her to a slave to the cock.
I'm like Slan, amazed and aroused at the same time. The Eclipse was so perfect.
Because, even after getting raped, Casca's feelings for Griffith might remain anon. Which would ultimately affect the plot in a very interesting way.
If she ever gets back to normal, Will her heart change after all she's been trough? or will she always be attached to Griffith? Would she seek revenge?
But you are already convinced she enjoyed it.
This discussion isn't about what Casca will do if she gets her brain back. This discussion is about whether or not Casca liked the sex.
Which to me is like asking if guts liked the moment his arm came off.
>Yeah but what do you want to get out of that?
!Hawk has rape fantasies but nobody wants to touch her. Just ignore her retarded ramblings
no. this isn't serialized on mangabox. Miura would never write that into the plot. The rape was just fuel to connect the super villain anti-hero character he drew for the first 2 volumes to the one he was drawing during golden age in the first place. If anything we'll get some serious Romantic Subplot between Guts and Caska if she regains her mind
Well, to me she clearly enjoyed it. But that's because it was Griffith doing it, you know, the man she loved and longed for even after being with Guts.
And to destroy Casca too dude.
>If anything we'll get some serious Romantic Subplot between Guts and Caska if she regains her mind
It seems to me Guts has already given up on their love story.
yeah I know.
Nobody likes cutting his arm off but you would be relieved the moment it actually comes off.
It is such a weirdly small focus on such a great and complex scene it makes me sad.
But then I guess it is 4chan, anime and specifically berserk fans so I guess I am the idiot for expecting anything other than the bottom of the barrel of discussions.
>Well, to me she clearly enjoyed it.
Do you think she is monster? Do you think she had no attachment to the band of the hawk? Would she trade one dicking from a demon griffith for all their lives?
If she is that okay with the sex then why did her mind hide in herself? why does she have ptsd from sex and isn't flicking her bean all the time while thinking of the rape- I mean consensual sexy times?
God dammit you frustrate me so much I want to pick you up and shake the stupid out of you.
Unknown to Guts, Griffith transfers his mind into Caska's body.
Guts lives the rest of his life with a surprisingly willing mate and has lots of sex and feels good about himself.
That moment in the ship when he's reminiscing about the moment he almost lost her to the water and how things aren't the same. I'll look for that page.
The rape had all the elements it needed to mind break someone.
Someone you've been loving and worshiping all your life because he saved you from getting raped is actually raping you right now, and on top of that, your "boyfriend" is watching as you helplessly moan out of pleasure.
miura will die before he finishes drawing berserk
then ONE will draw the remainded based on scrips miura left behind
Rereading the whole thing in honor of getting off the boat and it's just beautiful how the whole tragedy is constructed from Black Swordsman until the end of the eclipse.
This is some stellar storytelling.
Also loved the several chilling visuals with the behelit and Griffith's helmet during the whole Golden Age arc.
I've never said it was consensual, since it was clearly not and I haven't called the act other than rape, because that's what it was.
The thing is she was into it. Unlike that time Guts tried to force himself on her, where she was 100% against it.
That's because she was still attached to Griffith and she had always wanted to be his woman. She says this herself.
What do you understand by being someone's "woman"? she desired Griffith dude. And getting dicked by him under such awful circumstances fucked her up more than anything ever could, because even though she didn't consent and her friends were all fucking dead, she enjoyed it. She actually came and kissed Griffith as she did so, while Guts fucking watched it.
Of course her mind would break. Too much feelings at once. Too much shit happening.
The thing is, anon, she's never getting over Griffith! not even if he's fucking raping her. Add the fact that Neo Griffith has a soft spot for Casca.
This will bring great conflicts in the future my dude.
You think Guts got keked before? kek, prepare for more suffering.
>Also loved the several chilling visuals with the behelit and Griffith's helmet during the whole Golden Age arc.
What do you mean? Like this?
>What do you understand by being someone's "woman"?
can feelings not change? For fucks sake if a women ever loved me do I have the right for life to go into her house, murder her family and rape her in front of her boyfriend?
>while Guts fucking watched it.
Why does that matter?
I mean I thought she was in love with both Griffith and Guts but after reading your post I am convinced guts is just a kekold.
His dick was like a thick scorpion tail. I don't think it's physically possible to enjoy having your insides stabbed immediately after getting raped by a bunch of monster dicks.
Why do you think she enjoyed it? Was it that much better than the monster dicks that wrecked her pussy?
>Add the fact that Neo Griffith has a soft spot for Casca.
That was Guts/Caska's kid's will being manifested because Griffith used it's corporeal body as a vessel. It's astral body is the moon child.
>yfw Griffith is genetically Guts' son
>can feelings not change?
When she was making love with Guts she had this beautiful inner monologue where she says she'll change. But all that comes tumbling down as soon as she sees Charlotte and Griffith so close. She can't change, she decides not to even.
>Why does that matter?
It adds to the shame she felt.
Her body reacted positively to it. She had spasms+ heavy breathing + wetness + some "aah's" and "no's". That's being pretty into it IMO.
Rereading now it feels like Miura put more thought on the page composition back then than in the recent volumes.
I love this juxtaposition with Skull Knight's and Guts' faces/heads.
Really brings to life the otherworldliness of SK along with the fog.
>That was Guts/Caska's kid's will being manifested because Griffith used it's corporeal body as a vessel. It's astral body is the moon child.
Which can fuck Griffith up. If Casca were to be in danger his body would act on his own in order to protect her, like it happened when Zodd and Guts fought. She's kind of a weakness for him now, and that can mess his plans.
You've read a bit too many doujins. Finding a rape doujin where the woman doesn't end up liking it is like finding buried treasure.
I'll concede that there are reports of physical pleasure from forced copulation, but that's not in the women's control. Forced simulation is still simulation. The humiliation that comes with it seems to be a pretty big deal.
I don't think she enjoyed the sex in any normal sense of the term. You can wiggle around the definition of the word and find someway to make it fit but I doubt you'd convince much people.
Still, I enjoyed the rape. It's hot as fuck.
She had spasms+ heavy breathing + wetness + some "aah's" and "no's". That's being pretty into it IMO.
That's legitimately a real thing that happens during actual real-life rape.
She's more wet during the rape that the time she was with Guts, anon. She enjoyed it and she despises himself for that.
Not really. He's not forcing her mouth open, and it's a open mouthed kiss where both tongues are stuck out. Femto wasn't applying force.
In the movies (don't hit me) you can clearly see Casca moving her tongue rhythmically.
Why wouldn't she be able to close it? Nobody was forcing it open.
screenshot this and save it for when berserk ends in 200 years
casca will not be cured on elf island. guts and griffith have their final showdown and guts is overtaken by the hellhound and completely obliterates griffith, drops his sword and punches his corpse for hours and hours. guts will then impale himself on his own sword, killing himself. somehow, casca will become unretarded and find herself in the room with guts and griffiths corpses. the last thing she remembered was before the eclipse even happened and shes been thrust into a world she doesnt understand. the sights overwhelm her; guts' bruised and burned corpse, the berserker armor piercing his skin; griffith's god hand form. its too much for her and she kills herself right there.
a true Shakespearean tragic ending
He's forcing her head, but not her mouth. Even if her head is held in that position, she always has the possibility of closing her mouth, but she never does. Why is that?
Yes, Griffith's dick is shaped like rapehorse's head.
That's not what the manga, anime and movie show.
Don't say that. Farnese doesn't deserve such disgusting things done to her.
Why the fuck do you people keep encouraging this retard, she probably gets off talking about this rape shit
There is no convincing you. Rape doujins have replaced real rape as a reality in your brain. Your replies are getting more simplistic and vague. I'm done with you.
My favorite doujin involves a couple who haven't had sex yet. They decide to give it a shot but she wants to stop after a bit. He then miss reads all her physical and verbal protests and continues to rape the shit out of her. There's wetness and moans of pain and pleasure but it's still clearly rape and she's very upset about it all, feeling betrayed and the like.
Why need read some doujins like that and get some perspective that your dick will accept.
She told Guts not to look at her little before the kiss, so she still wasn't completely done for. Also, she didn't have to stuck her tongue out m8, that actually takes more effort than keeping her mouth closed.
Lets get a kickstarter going for Xration to draw a berserk doujin
But the pain doesn't stop just because your arm came off. The bleeding stump would hurt like a bitch. The nerves in the arm don't suddenly stop firing. There's so relief for Guts. Pure pain is all he deserves.
>My favorite doujin involves a couple who haven't had sex yet.
That's the problem. Griffith wasn't just some man or demon she didn't know shit about, he was Casca's whole life. Her God mane. A god she lusted after.
The dynamic is different when her feelings are so great tbqhwy.
should I include a diagram on human tongues too?
also you don't have have to use the muscles in your mouth to mumble
So we finally got off the boat.
Have we actually, physically touched land yet?
I've been offline all week, and I just found out.
Remember everything that lead up to the scene? The running, the fighting, the monster dicks? She's probably exhausted and powerless. Just gave up I imagine.
This discussion is way too sexy. I can't bring myself to stop. Fucking blushing and everything.
The gang leaves Elf Island... On a boat
Years pass then decades and eventually murai passes forever on the return journey
>YFW Elf island is 3 chapters long
>YFW they get back on the boat
Open your mouth anon. Your tongue doesn't stick out naturally.
Also look at this shit
Tongue is super outtie.
All I know about the ending is that Guts will be
killed by this chick, who gets glorious revenge after over 20 years of being a no show
Have you ever panted? her goddamn muscles aren't working, her tongue is limp.
Though to be real we are debating over a 3-8 pixel difference in line placement that is well within a margin for error. If Miura wanted this to be significant then he's a goddamn autistic savant. We'd be better off just sending him an email chain to ask whether or not she kissed him back, or was merely absorbed in gooey rapture
I have panted before, and my tongue is never out. I've only seen that happen to dogs
>whether or not she kissed him back, or was merely absorbed in gooey rapture.
Of course she did. He gave one page to that part man. And Guts has remember that kiss lots of times, because it was impactful mane.
Accept it. Casca kissed him back.
I want to slam Puck's cute boypussy so bad it's unreal.
I remember when it was about trying to rescue them and failing miserably.
Look, there's documented cases of rape in which the victim admited the assailant made her cum. It doesn't mean she doesn't feel raped or that she wanted it. It's like when someone tickles you and you laugh, it's just a body reaction, that's all. It's evident by how Casca was left retarded after being raped by someone she cared about. It destroyed and snapped her mind.
Most likely what will happen if she gains her sanity back is that she will know grifith pretty much killed her son AND raped her, and she will use her pussy to lure Griffith into that vortex shit that destroys everything, (remember that one where an Apostle got sucked into because he refused to sacrifice his daughter?)
Remember this: Hell knows no fury like a woman scorned, and I think Casca still loves Grifith but she's going to lure him with her pussy into that vortex thing and go be destroyed with him.
Also, remember she was leader of their band when Griffith decided to sacrifice them all. All those men were under her command, and they all died by griffith because of her order. She is going to be fucking furious for them too if she recovers her sanity and makes a list of all the shit Griffith did.
They were together for at least 2 years or so in that doujin. That's kind of what made the tension so hot. They really cared about each other but the girl was afraid of sex.
Anyway, that's off topic. End of the day, you'll read all the cues differently, and that's out of my control. Physical pleasure is not so strong as to trump every other feeling and emotion. He rape flashbacks are enough to cement the rape angle for me. It's always been a major part of her experience in the world. Humans and monsters attempting to rape her. Then the one who finally does it? The man she's idiolized for years. Is a mental/physical dissonance that far out of an idea? Real life rape victims can experience orgasms, pain, humiliation, and betrayal all at the same time. Orgasms are a very small part of the picture. They aren't as powerful or as long lasting as those emotions.
Only if it's real rape, not that bullshit you posted. Only hate exists inside me for those doujins that start off looking like a real rape, then it turns into some fantasy mind break bullshit where she loves cock. Hate that shit so much. I get off on the emotions and tension of a rape/molestation scenario. The helplessness and the fear and the desperation. That shit is amazing when an artist can convey such emotions.
Did she like it? /thread end
If you don't pair Sonia and Irvine you are clinically insane /thread start
She might love Griffith now but it's a schoolgirl level crush, he's more unobtainable then Guts is to Schrieke. She's the imouto.
I can't wait for Irvine to get all bestiality on her.
Irvine is the best apostle, he's one of the "good people" i'm hoping will realize Griffith is doing evil shit and side with Guts' crew at the end
Why do people keep attributing things to me that I never said? I never said that she wanted it or that it was consensual. It was definitely rape. All I'm saying is that, based on all the evidence we have, it seems to me like she enjoyed the sex in itself, outside the context of the Eclipse.
>Irvine's dick was in the middle of his back
>it seems to me like she enjoyed the sex in itself
It was already explained to you that rape victims can cum, it doesn't mean they enjoy it or liked it or they're suddenly in love with the rapist. I think you just want to believe "she liked it!" because you're just too immature to get it, or you're merely trolling for the sake of getting attention.
>Women aren't very emotional
Why would you believe such a silly thing?
>and they can easily separate stuff like that.
Anybody can. It has little to do with gender.
Obviously not. Her tongue is just limp from exhaustion.
>rape victims can cum
> it doesn't mean they enjoy it
Yes, it does. Orgasms are inherently enjoyable.
>or they're suddenly in love with the rapist
And I never said that. I'm not one of those "Casca will go back to Griffith" people.
>I think you just want to believe "she liked it!" because you're just too immature to get it, or you're merely trolling for the sake of getting attention.
I don't "want" to believe it. I'm just looking at the evidence and this is the conclusion that I get from it.
Not same anon, I think he knows he sounds completely retarded but he just wants to keep "trolling" people because "LOL so funnay!! xD"
Anyway, whatever the case may be, Griffith had to settle for sloppy seconds.
It is for me.
Just because you liked having sex with someone doesn't mean that you want to keep being with that person. What Femto did was unacceptable and if I were Casca I'd never want to join him.
I never troll.
>What Femto did was unacceptable and if I were Casca I'd never want to join him.
He did unacceptable shit RIGHT BEFORE raping her.
Nothing has changed. She still had some Judeau blood on her when griffith gave her the best time of her life. why would she suddenly be against enjoyment?
What are you talking about? Who said Casca is "against enjoyment"? You're saying that as if enjoying things is a choice. It isn't a choice. Casca enjoyed the sex against her own will.
But look at her tongue for fucks sake.
She didn't struggle.
There was nothing against her will
Are you saying she wouldn't have get fucked by griffith if she had a choice?
Because that doesn't make sense with "she enjoyed it/she wanted it"
Fuck Griffith was her one true love for all her life.
>Femto? No way.
But that is the sex she enjoyed. She was sticking her tongue out. That is essentially consent at that point.
She enjoyed it. What else is the point of enjoyment?
>Guts faces off against Femto, ready for their final duel.
>I just wanted to say, all those years ago... I'm sorry I left you guys when I did.
>Griffith's heart grows 3 sizes that day, and he teams up with Guts to defeat the God Hand and the Idea of Evil.
eh, I doubt it.
Either nothing particularly bad will happen or it will be a shitstorm for the ages like 10 times worse than eclipse, I'm talking some horrible demonic gang rape while she's shown Guts and Caska all lovely dovey falling in love again while she's suffering this horrible ordeal forgotten about.
Miura will go all the way or not at all.
All he wanted was Gut's D.
Don't even ship them but it's pretty obvious why he did the things he did.
A lot of people seem to hate her, but I don't.
She's a qt to me.
How is that possible? Sure she's riding the villains dick but his facade is foolproof. He'd be the hero protagonist if we never saw Guts and the story began at the tower of conviction. Only the apostles at the eclipse know the truth and Guts has killed a lot of them.
Also, I think he regained some of his innocence and humanity when he absorbed that behelit-looking apostle, but it's too little, too late.
They probably just don't like her personality.
Oh man, theories. I'm avoiding work and I've got theories. Had them mentally charted in a branching paths deal, then I forgot about most of it.
>Elfhelm is awesome and everything goes right
Casca gets memories back, group is teleported back to Midland, round trip on fucking boat is avoided.
>Elfhelm is kind of shitty/the Elf King is a dick
Casca may or may not get memories back. Probably some more filler with monsters. More exposition on cosmology and history either way.
>Elfhelm is an absolute shithole
Filled with monsters. The elves are either dead, demons, or total dicks. Casca doesn't get her memory back. We have to get back on the fucking boat. Guts goes crazy. Somebody dies.
Who says she won't? I bet she'd want answers and his version of the story. Then she can draw her own conclusions.
Since Griffith is so important to her, the person who shaped her and gave her the will to fight, I bet everyone's ass she'll do everything in her power to understand why he did what he did.
My current view on Griffith is that any display of humanity is not quite fake, but not entirely sincere. Griffith loves his role as savior more than anything else, and he acts in character with that role. A messiah is supposed to be human, and it wouldn't be fitting if Griffith let 'Femto' be his public face. Or maybe this is how all Apostles are after their transformation; it takes time for the humanity to disappear. The Duke still had some humanity in him and he was a recent convert, ditto for the Elf Queen. Or maybe I'm talking out my ass. I'unno.
It was more than that though, he didn't answer right away. He didn't sacrifice everybody's life until he saw the corpses his dreams had accumulated as he carried the body of that little child that weighed in his conscience while he tried to reach the castle . His thought process wasn't simply "fuck them I'll be king lol", nah, it was more complicated than that and that's what I'd like to understand if I were casca.
Griffith isn't just anybody after all. He's the epitome of goodness for her. For him to make such a radical turn of character would definitely make painfully currently curious and she could never be at peace unless she talked to him.
The elf king is merely Scheirke's hypothesis, she doesn't know that the branches of the world tree all lead to Falconia. It would be strange for the elf king to rely on a method of transport that only appeared after Griffith merged realities.
Additionally, Guts and co arrive on the island with the elves hostile, and not knowing who they are. If the elf king had been assisting their journey, you think he would have clued in his people.
>Casca doesn't get her memories back.
>Casca doesn't get her memories back and dies
>Casca doesn't get her memories back and winds up with Griffith somehow
FFFUUUCCCKKK and also I guess rescue mission
>Griffith restores Casca's memories because Jesus now
Casca stays with Griffith. May or may not be brainwashed. Probably not. If so, cue Guts having to either snap her out of it or kill her.
>Guts kills Casca
The Berserker Demon wins, kills Griffith and maybe some more of the God Hand. Then everything else. Then Guts.
>Griffith doesn't restore Casca's memories for whatever reason.
Keeps her as bait/pet/reminder of simpler times/future sacrifice/sex slave/whatever
>Casca gains her memories back at random
I lose all faith in plot development. And maybe she kills Griffith.
>>constant allusions to elf king watching over them
So did you just skip the entirety of chapter 253? Schrieke only says the it could be the elf king because it seems strangely magical and attached to them, nobody else knows Guts and Caska have a demented mutant baby existing outside of causality because he was tainted by the semen of the godhand Femto
Griffith's revenge rape will be the origin of his demise, Miura will tie it all together so that Caska's rape was necessary to take down Griffith, not just pointless NTRfag bait
You guys know that's it's possible for a woman to be violently, traumatically raped, yet still have an orgasm right?
Like, if your dad tied you down and jerked you off to completion, you'd probably cum eventually (assuming he knows how to give a good HJ), but you wouldn't exactly have "enjoyed" the experience, or secretly wanted it.
What am I saying, this is 4chan. Of course we'd like our dads to jerk us off. I know I would.
The ending; A skull doggie on horseback watches an eclipse from hills on high. Looking back at it is the image of a smiling Femto, a twinkle in his eye, with thumb up raised, nostalgically super-imposed over the looming black sphere.
Haha! I get it! Its funny because it actually took until the seas dried up and the earth is little more then a flaming smoldering dead husk of a planet for a new chapter regarding the fucking boat to be published. HA. HA.
Let's all remember the only two pages of happiness without any kind of fucked up love triangles or rape getting in the way
So? Getting your tit bit, is slightly different from having your g-spot rubbed by femto dick that's probably tearing up our vaginal walls at the same time.
I already told you that Casca's rape has nothing to do with my own fantasies. I never let my fantasies influence what I think about source materials.
Guts finds the lost hat of corkus and is granted divine insight
Imagine how terrible berserk would be if Griffith was honest with himself and fucked Guts
Casca liked it in the movie though
>Guts got his ass kicked back in the day by Griffith
>Guts has been wrecked physiologically and physically since then.
>Casca is helpless and brought along for nothing but maximum suffering.
>Both are still branded from the eclipse.
>Griffith controls all the armed forces he needs to wipe Guts and his merry band off the Earth, before he taps into demon reserves.
>Griffith does the raping while he ruins rape victims.
>Griffith has super Femto demon powers that Guts can't possibly go up against.
There is no way Guts can beat him. There will have to be some major ass pulling going on for Guts to win and I might be legitimately angry if he actually survives for a happy ending.
Have any of you actually heard rape accounts?
The sex is pleasurable.
The situation is terrifying.
The act is violating.
The body is programmed to enjoy sex regardless of the context, but the context can be something that cannot be normalized. The cognitive dissonance exists that yes the sex can feel goof and no the experience is nothing but terrible.
>Both are still branded from the eclipse.
This has bugged me for a while. Couldn't they just cut the brand out? Or would it not make a difference?
I'd rather lose a huge chunk of skin than be hounded by monsters and skellingtons every night.
Mostly what "weird rules" you're talking about. And why you think that what I say has anything to do with how some people hurt my feelings.
Sex is different for women. Believe it or not, licking and stroking to leave you wet enough to take a dicking isn't enough. Even if you orgasm, these are small orgasms that don't last 10 ten seconds.
If you're nervous and reject it, your muscles will clamp down regardless and it will hurt like a bitch. No matter how slippery your vagina is.
Have you ever suffered from period cramps? They're nothing to getting penetrated by something you don't want.
In order for sex to be enjoyable, you must have the right mindset for it, otherwise it will simply not work.
Unless you're a sickfuck and have rough sex fantasies with the love of your life...like Casca.
>I never let my fantasies influence what I think about source materials
It come across as weird rule, because it obviously already has cross contaminated your ideas. That is, thoughts don't stay in neat little boxes. If they did, our brains would probably look very different.
SUBMIT AND ASCEND TO YOUR ULTIMATE FORM.
Just because thoughts don't say in a box doesn't mean that I can't have an objective look at things. I'm not some sort of sex-obsessed pervert who has to insert my own fantasies into everything. I have no problem keeping everything separate.
Didn't personally say you were, but you do have your own fantasies, and anons do make fun of them. Apparently you care about this since you constantly reply to deny its relevancy. This hoopla about an objective take is just more emotional shielding. No such thing as an objective look at art, not unless your describing the minutia of the drawing style.
The self insert thing is just 4chan memery. No one can take a stance on anything with out being a self insert these days. So you get accused the same as a Guts-hold.
I love that you just kind of cherry picked your favorite shit.
>Guts kicked the shit out of Griffith in their final battle, which is why Guts was able to leave
>this was before Guts got the dragon killer sword or the dwarf armor
>Guts continually gets stronger with every life he takes
>has a powerful little nymphet of a witch watching over him
>has been able to defeat apostles before getting any power ups, something Griffith could NEVER do
>doesn't need to cheat and try to steal the powers of a god to win
>has the Skull Knight in his corner
>has been consistently able to defeat demons and apostles alike with ease wearing no armor and at one time without even having a weapon to start with
Guts' biggest strengths are his conviction, his force of will, and his indomitable fighting spirit. He doesn't freak out, he doesn't back down, when shit's not going his way he doesn't start to panic. Cause he is a true warrior. Griffith got into a bitch hissy fit when someone made him bleed, but Guts doesn't fucking react like a little bitch to the idea of bleeding. And it's his ability to keep his head that sees him through every battle, he is the perfect soldier.
Guts might have a difficult time, but he's got something Griffith doesn't, which is FRIENDS that support him. Griffith just has an army of followers who revere his power.
Also Griffith's vanity and pettyness, that after becoming a god hand he went right back to his old life and decided to remake the world in his perfect little image and make himself into 'the good guy' to placate his own ego. Griffith is a bitch, and Guts will reveal his atrocities and crimes to all before he ends it.
Griffith ain't a hero, he's the villain and it's his fault that the world is fucked just for the sake of his own "I'm the good guy! Really!" image that he wants to give people.
>Guts continually gets stronger with every life he takes
If anything he's getting weaker, each use of the berserker armor takes a little more of his senses and humanity. Physically, Guts has been at the "dodge mother fucking lighting strikes" stage for a while. He could be getting faster and stronger, but it's not the sort of improvement that'll make a difference in a fight against God hand type powers. Either the berserker armor can already match Griffith's ability, or else some other mechanism will even the odds.
They outsourced the whole rape scene to another studio, an H-studio, where they assumed she'd like it 100%, cause that's what rape has come become in 2D.
I disagree, it's not that Guts is getting weaker, it's that his opponents are steadily growing stronger. The apostles that he's fought since the "Golden Age" (what a fucking joke of a name) began are much stronger than the guys he fought before, because they're battle hardened. The Apostle Knights guys for example are far beyond anything he fought before the Eclipse.
Eventually Guts will either break the armor's control or he's going to shed the armor completely, or Schierke and him are going to become a lot more intimately attuned, but he's not going to just become a mindless killing machine.
Either way, don't be so cynical.
Dodging lighting refers to Guts' with fight the Kushan magician at the docks right before getting on the boat. I'm saying that any physical improvement past receiving berserker armor is pretty meaningless.
There's no denying Guts is stronger than his pre-eclipse days, Zodd confirms this at the Hill of Swords. However, that's not what I'm talking about since receiving the armor boosted his ability far beyond that point anyways.
I don't see how I'm cynical when your conclusion is basically the same as mine. We agree that either the armor can handle the situation, or some other mechanism will further enhance Guts. I do think that "mastering the armor" will entail a loss of humanity, if the option is offered, since that's what Mr. Skeltal has been implying.
I am certain that it will not play out like this. The culmination has to be reached within Guts' lifetime as a human, not in some 1000 years into the future scenario. No one would care about that! It has to involve the characters and the story that is developing now.
>I'm not saying she wanted, just that she enjoyed it because it was Griffith the one doing it.
How the hell can people be so deluded is beyond me. She did not enjoy being raped. She just watched her entire crew being slaughtered, her lover being crippled, there are fucking demons all around.
It is not possible for her to feel pleasure because of the brand, just being near Femto causes excruciating pain.
She fucking lost her mind, and that is not because she was feeling shame but because of the trauma of the whole event as you can see any time she is stressed out and has a flashback of that event.
>Final fight is Guts struggling against Griffith and the lure of the beast simultaneously.
>Guts ultimately kills Griffith with the help of moonchild's super plot power and Casca
>beast of darkness is tru fineru boss but is ultimately also defeated and Guts dies with dignity.
>Griffith forever remembered as a hero in the minds of Midlanders
>The magic community as well as all of Guts party (plus a few people he met along the way) are the only ones who know the truth.
>Vritannis absorbs the remains of Midland and Farnesse gains ties to the new royalty, she uses this to loosen the stigma of magic users, but it will take a long time to de-fang the Holy See.
>The remaining 4 Godhand retreat back into the deep astral layers with their plans in shambles. SK vows to remain on watch for another millennia their eventual return, refusing to pass on the burden to Guts.
>The same will happen with Guts. After he kills Griffith, he will have to wait 1000 years for someone to unite everything
I feel that the thematically satisfying thing to do would be to have Guts break the cycle.