Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1311

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

>>134044751
Its ok bro I'll be the bigger man and stop replying to your ramblings you don't need to cry :')

>>134044858
how the FUCK do you post this so fast

>>134044681
The way he put it was very arbitrary, but I agree with him that at 20 new cards anything lower than 80% average could probably be improved.

日本語つまんねー

https://www.supermemo.com/help/fi.htm

>>134044931
でも俺達の世界は日本語にできてる。だから俺は日本語を学ぶ。

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頑張って〜

僕は馬鹿です。
この本が好き。
僕の頭が痛い。

これで正解ですか？

接近中！

I love hearing this so much. In fact any 3 word phrase with 中 at the end sounds fantastic. 営業中　進行中

>>134044928
Who cares about retention rate? If you see the card once then don't rememeber it the second time, that decreases your rate... so who the fuck cares? The ONLY thing that matters is that you remember them at the end of the day, and even that is arguable.

Retention rate is just something idiots fap to so they can pretend like they're better than they are.

>>134045207
Ｘ僕は馬鹿です。
〇私は日本です。

>>134045233
Unless you miss new cards 3 times each most of the reps are older cards, and consistently getting 50% retention rates is not optimal at all.

But I guess we could just tell the person who is worried about his retention rate that any rate is OK and he should keep doing everything the way he does now.

>お前達の狙いは、私のはずだろう
>You’re after me
Is the literal translation 'your aim should be me' or something?

>>134045244
え？正解？
でも二回の文章が間違ったとおっもたけれど。
なんか「が」と「は」の違いは超難しいなんですけど。

これでも正解？

又、どうやって「超」をタイプできるんですか？
小さいの「よう」をどうやってタイプできる？

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im doing good :D

>>134045322
萌え

>>134045679
50% of 4 cards is a lot harder to fuck up than 50% of 6000 cards. You suck.

>>134045589
steve-approved

>>134045751
i must say no

>>134045588
I think 'goal' would be a better translation, but yes according to Japanese sites 狙い does translate to 'aim' as in the 'aim' of doing something.

So yeah I guess you're correct. I think 'goal' or 'target' would work to but I can't be sure because I don't kow the context.

This is the webpage I referred to:

http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/784321.html

>>134045679
骨を教えてください先輩

>>134045975
>骨を教えてください先輩

>>134046143
>>>134045975(You)
>>骨を教えてください先輩

>>134046192
>>134046143 (You)
>>>134045975(You)
>>骨を教えてください先輩

>>134044902
He posts the thread
>>134044928
Anything less than 100% can be improved, I don't think it's meaningful or helpful to divide lines at 70%, 80%, or 90% and make up nonsense about when which is okay. After thinking about it, that kind of division is probably based on one's own experience - "I got 80% while doing my deck so anything lower than that is pretty bad". I don't really see how pushing one own experience on others is a good thing.

>>134046460
I was just trying to offer my own opinion since none of you faggots wanted to help him and attacked me instead

>>134046510
His question was
>How much % correct rate I'm supposed to have with 20 new cards a day and averaging 200~250 reps per day?
The answer to that is not to make meaningless lines of division at random percentages, the answer is that is no "proper" percentage level. Just that higher is better so supplement anki with reading, writing, etc etc and let everything take care of itself.

>>134046574
You're a faggot.

Also that's not even answering the question.

>>134046630
"The answer is that is no "proper" percentage level" is the answer as I said. He's not supposed to have any percentage in particular.

>>134046655
The real answer is "You should set your own personal standards on how much you are willing to get wrong and forget and how much you want to retain. You can refer to other people's standards as a way to gauge how hardcore you want to be."

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Can some kind anon tell me what this means?

>>134046713
Eh, now you're just trying to defend your dumb post with retroactive justification. Well, even if you don't want to recognize it that's admitting you were in the wrong, so I'm satisfied here.

>>134046754
DUAL SHOCK

>>134046757
Have you considered that I left that out of the post because I didn't expect some pedantic autist to jump on it and start attacking me for the most insignificant things? Holy shit, I thought you were kidding around at first but you're actually for real. I'm actually mad now that some autist is attacking me on the internet. Fuck you.

>>134046754
>>134046790
Why the fuck isnt it in katakana?

>>134046757
Kill yourself retard.

>>134046883
No, because it's not true. Keep spluttering though.

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しょうがくごねんせいにしんきゅうしたさいだいのメリットは、おとなのつごうでちゅうがくせいともこうがくねんともよばれるちゅうぶらりんのよねんせいからかいほうされて、どっしりこうがくねんのざにこしをすえられることだった。

>>134046951
wall of kana pls stop

What the fuck does "それをさせじと" mean? Pls assist

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> start reading Tae Kim because can't into grammar
> here's some basic nouns and Kanji you should learn
> 先 - saki/sen - ahead
> 生 - sei/nama - life
> 先生 - sensei (someone who is ahead in life)

holy fuck I feel like I just discovered the cure for AIDS or something

>>134047006
小学五年生に進級した最大のメリットは、大人の都合で中学生徒も高学年とも呼ばれる宙ぶらりんの四年生から開放させれて、どっしり高学年の座に腰を据えられることだった。

いいのか？

>さあ迷子たち、大人しく主の御許へ逝こうや
Japanese is so cool

>>134047310
>魑魅 spirits and demons
>魍魎 spirits and demons
>魑魅魍魎 even more spirits and demons and shit

>>134047310
didn't we all go through that

>>134047527
ああ、ずっとマシだよ

>>134047245
Maybe like それをさせまいと.

>>134047591
why did I lol

>>134045642
誰も答えてくれないの？

>>134047667
Didn't post the original, though, so it could be wrong, I guess.

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>read VN without texthooker
>too lazy to look up any words or add them to anki
Suffering

>>134047310
>> 生 - sei/nama
You mean
>生 - い、う、お、は、き、なま、な、む、セイ、ショウ

Word of the day: 犬死に

>>134047310
紅生姜

生先生

驟雨
rare kanji for you rare kanji gumshoes

I posted too soon
鏖殺
rare kanji for you rare kanji neo-noirs

>>134047745
I saw it in Tae Kim's blog as an example of why Japanese needs kanji. I decided to post it here to see how many people would even bother trying to read it. I don't think anyone did.

>>134048052
生息子

>>134047812
I really don't understand how Steve gets by without using flashcards or Anki. Imagine how much time he must waste having to look up the same words over and over before he eventually learns them.

>>134048149
>in order to learn Korean, you not only have to learn most of the sounds in Japanese but also additional sounds, many whose difference I can’t even tell.
Isn't he Korean though?
>>134048228
Look up lingq and how it works, it should become very obvious how he learns them quickly, though the past must have been pretty hard.
That said he does use flashcards sometimes, like when he was memorizing the hanzi (only for first 1,000 though).

>>134048149
Any Japanese person or intermediate learner wouldn't have an issue with that. Read it out and not a single Japanese would misunderstand. Kim is a Russian born gook, not exactly the best person for advice either way.

>>134048228
>Imagine how much time he must waste having to look up the same words over and over before he eventually learns them.

That's literally what you do in Anki as well

>>134048294
Oh look, it's the "Japanese can't have any faults!!!!" guy again.

>>134048309
The time spent hitting "enter" on anki to show the back is far less than the time it would take him to open a physical dictionary (pre-internet) or look up a word online (pre-linq). So for most of Steve's life, anki is much much faster than manually looking up words

>>134048309
No it's not. Testing yourself is fundamentally different to looking up the answers every time.

You "literally" could not have misrepresented Anki and more than that.

>>134048375
Fuck off fanboy.

>>134048440
Right after you, literal weeaboo.

>>134048149
If they had spaces it wouldn't be hard to read

行きたくなくもないけど、行けなくならなかったら、行かないよ。
>>134048375
>>134048149
He's right though, I watch GCCX and whenever those old NES games are pure kana, Kanchou doesn't break a goddamn sweat and speed reads them no problem. Think of it this was. If you can understand spoken speak, why would kana be that difficult?

>>134048390
One might also argue that precisely because it's so easy, you are training your brain to expect being able to find the definition of a word at a moments notice, and therefore it doesn't place a huge priority on committing that memory. But if you had to look up words in a book every time, the brain would remember the struggle and thus store the vocab much more easily to avoid going through that again.

>>134048412
When reading something with words you are testing yourself as well. No one just instantly looks up words, they take a moment to try and see if they understand it. Just like flashcards.

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>>134047310
>動物
>moving thing

>>134048539
I would say that argument is unsubstantiated opinion and disregard it until one provides actual evidence backing it up.

>>134048514
>Kanchou doesn't break a goddamn sweat and speed reads them no problem.
You realise you're talking about an actor in a scripted show, right?

>If you can understand spoken speak, why would kana be that difficult?
Visual recognition and aural recognition are two different things. With speech you have intonation and other audible clues which help you discern where one word ends and the next begins.

>>134048576
Ok.

>>134048606
Putting aside that the filming is live-action, if you watch some Japanese 実況プレイ's of old NES games you'll see them not struggled at all.
>With speech you have intonation and other audible clues which help you discern where one word ends and the next begins.
Spaces. Tae Kim used spaces and said they didn't help.

>>134048606
>You realise you're talking about an actor in a scripted show, right?
>implying he reads them multiple times until he manages to read it perfectly
Kana is easy to read, especially when you have spaces

>>134048128
>>134048088
>still things I know
try harder

>>134048732
Not trying to impress you, babe.

>>134048514
ItslikeEnglishwithoutspaces
If it's just a short sentence there's no problem.
But if someone posts a full paragraph of it you're more likely to just not bother reading it.

>>134048753
You're trying to post rare kanji. You're doing a bad job of it.

>>134048808
I'm posting every new kanji I see, as stated many times before I'm not aiming for objectively rare or obscure kanji, that tagline is mainly just for memes.

>>134048878
I like memes.

>>134046790
Thanks anon

Should I do core 2k first or can I start with core 10k?

>>134049309
Core10k contains Core2k

The point of spaced repetition is to make it possible to rote memorize extremely large amounts of information without stuff you're better at taking up time that would be better spent on the little shit.

The format of a SRS-friendly flashcard -- little enough information to be easy to memorize accurately -- is very good for SRS, but increases the amount of exposure you need before you learn the thing.

Encountering new words three times in the same paragraph makes me memorize that single word forever. I only need to see it like one more time in a week, then one more time in a year, and I know it forever.

Thing is, getting new words while reading is a lot slower than flashcards, and reading fluidly is pretty much impossible if you have fewer than 2000 or so words, even if you have a texthooker or rikai.

There's reasons that the most common advice here is to memorize the first several words but start reading as soon as possible.

>>134049309
Do the one with 6k words. I can say from personal experience that the words in there are very useful to know.

>>134049329
Thanks for answering. I'll go with core 10k.

>>134049359
I'm already finished with N5-N3 vocab. N2 doesn't seem useful to me. I was wondering what should I study next.

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>>134049509
>N2 doesn't seem useful to me
Well it's time to wake up because just about every word from n5 through n1 is absolutely essential.
Read a book, anon, read news articles. You need to learn the words in those. And you will find that the words in books and articles match up with the JLPT vocab list fairly closely.

>>134049349
How many would be your "first several"?

>>134049608
Enough to let you read what you want to read and then a lot more

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>>134049632
That's very vague. What if I want to read this?

>>134049755
Get to it

>>134049755
I don't imagine that would make a big difference.

>>134049818
It's missing the awkward "Hello how are you, im fine"

do you guys try to pimp your learning experience with substances? I read some stuff about the amphetamine meme here.

I will drink some alcohol(whine) this evening while studying. Didn't drink anything for years. Will I screw up my reps, senpai?

>>134050420
I actually got kind of drunk off wine yesterday and did my reps. Didnt notice it effecting me negatively, actually feel like it helped a little.

>>134050420
I've done my reps while high and while drunk.

I found that weed did not influence my ability to recall words very much, nor did it affect my short term memory a whole lot.

Alcohol made concentrating a whole lot more difficult, and negatively affected my short term memory when learning new cards.

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>mfw I dropped Japanese for Swedish
>mfw I only have 3 new letters to learn instead of thousands plus two sets of 46
>mfw I can just go straight into the actual language without having to worry about kanji vs vocab shit
>mfw I get to meme on people and inhale to say "yes"
>mfw I'm still learning kanji on the side
>mfw when I'm done Swedish I'll be able to just dive into Japanese because I'll be done kanji
>mfw I'll also know for sure that I can learn a language and thus be more willing to sacrifice a lot of time for it
You guys are doing it all wrong, the true best method of learning Japanese is to learn something else first.

>>134050420
Don't start on amp man. If anything try adderall, but that shit is addictive too just like amps.

>>134050587
>learning swedish
Now that's a dying language. The country will soon be speaking arabian or something as their main language

>>134050587
Yeah, I learned Cobol first.

>>134050671
Oh shit a master of the most arcane of black magics! Run, we're already dead!

>>134050587
Yeah, but by knowing Swedish you're literally turning yourself in a Muslim loving kek faggot. Trust me, by the time you get deep into Swedish, you'll completely drop Japanese in favor learning Arabic, and you'll also have contracted AIDS from all the Muslim dick in your ass.

>>134050587
But is learning kanji without any context really that meaningful? I mean in the end you are just learning symbols with some onyomi, right?

>>134050731
>>>/pol/

>>134050587
All the time you've spent on Swedish is time I've spent on Japanese, so to speak, I would rather have more progress in Japanese than the benefits of learning a second language first (I don't mind learning vocab and kanji, I already know for sure I can learn the language because I've read books in it, etc etc).

>>134050747
>But is learning kanji without any context really that meaningful?
Yeah, it help you a lot with remembering vocab and gives you the same sort of context a native speaker would have after going through sch-
>I mean in the end you are just learning symbols with some onyomi, right?
Oh. Don't do this.

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>>134050587
>tfw fluent in German and English due to upbringing
>tfw learned French in school
>tfw learning Japanese

Must suck to be an EOP.

Guys, how do I enroll into a Japanese elementary school to go learn kanji with the Japanese children?

>>134050826
>learned French in school
So not learning French.

>>134050747
>Learning the onyomi
I'm just learning the kanji and it's english meaning. Even if it's not the most effective way, it doesn't even matter because I'm just doing it on the side while learning another language.

>>134050785
That's your choice and I respect it. I have a few online friends that speak Swedish so it benefits me. I'd rather know Japanese but in the end knowing both is cool too.

>>134050826
If you're Canadian then learning French in school doesn't mean shit.

>>134050855
Send all your anime posters, body pillows, and lolicon to your local Japanese embassy. They'll know what it means.

>>134050881
Admittedly, my production skills are shit. Though I can understand it quite fine. It's just a shame that it's one of the most retarded languages ever.\\

>>134050899
I'm Swiss.

>>134050908
But I want to keep my anime posters and body pillows, do they give them back to me?

>>134050826
It's so cute when Europeans try to act smug because they know English and some useless language.

Meanwhile those of us who are actually fluent in Japanese know two useful languages.

>>134050569
>>134050489

Already drank half a bottle of wine. I'm not getting drunk or anything, I'm rather getting alot less stressed about the reps and everything. I think I will do some additional reading today.

>>134050638
Well I only wanted to know what you guys already tried, I didn't want to dive full into amphetamines today or anything.

>>134050899
Well it's not like I wanted to say that your progress is meaningless or something. I just wanted to know if you find it meaningful or not. I only learn japanese at the moment, and just learning the kanji without the reading on the side wouldn't get me to a solid understanding of the language. I wouldn't be able to even learn the kanji without any practice use.

>>134051001
Yes, right when they come to pick you up to leave for Japan, they give it back.

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>>134051009
>those of us who are actually fluent in Japanese
>useful

I see two things which are not true.

>>134051009
European languages are pretty useful too.
Afrikan languages are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head that are utterly useless. Also literal dead languages, but even Latin has the argument of "l-learn the root words!" so it's at least a little helpful.

>>134051043
I find it meaningful. Being able to attach words to kanji makes recognizing them a lot easier. Trying to remember kanji I haven't studied is like trying to remember 20 random lines, it's hard to remember words with 2 or 3 kanji I don't know. This is for me at least, I know some people swear that it doesn't matter to them. But for me, I don't consider it a waste of effort at all to learn Kanji.

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The only problem I would have with learning "two languages", as a strategy or not, is the knowledge that Vocab Hell exists in EVERY language and it's fucking' awful. Like... I'm already thinking "yup, gonna be crunching Japanese vocab for a couple more years", there's no way I'd subject myself to that in ANOTHER language, at the same time no less.

>>134051045
Cool, I'll send my stuff as soon as I can. Can't wait to go study Japanese with children in Japan

>>134051150
If you wanna get away with no vocab hell you could learn norwegian.

>>134051150
>At the same time
literally suicide
I'm just grinding kanji.

>>134051060
If you don't think Japanese is useful why are you on /a/?

>>134051191
Vocab hell lasts years. I don't expect you'll spend several years grinding kanji?
>>134051184
There won't be a Norwegian vocab hell because there's no compelling content in Norwegian. Ha.

>>134051150
Well in germany, you need to learn two languages to go into university. So I kinda know the problem. It's not that hard, just don't think about it and stick with it. That sounds cheesy, doesn't it?

>>134051238
I imagine conversational fluency is OK for that. To be conversationally fluent you would only need like 6,000 words. I knew a guy who lived in Japan and talked in Japanese to his Japanese friends, and I showed him my anki mining deck and he knew none of the words, so yeah, if you stick to a low level in the language you can avoid vocab hell.

>>134051232
>Years
I don't think so.
Learning the language to fluency, yeah that takes years. But Vocab "Hell"? Maybe a year at most if you're slow, but realistically probably half a year. After that it shouldn't be hell anymore, it should just be enjoyable. I don't get this "years of grinding" meme, it's not like that at all. Look at Steve as an example, he doesn't have years of vocab Hell. It's a myth that it lasts nearly that long.

>mfw I haven't studied in two months because of intense paranoia

>>134051344
what do you fear, bruce?

>>134051216
Japanese is just as useful as German or some other European language, which according to you is useless.

I'm here because I enjoy anime and manga.

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>>134051319
>But Vocab "Hell"? Maybe a year at most if you're slow, but realistically probably half a year. After
Uh, what? Do you think you'll know enough words to read any book and watch any show you want, after only 6-12 months...? I mean, it took me 8 months to read moege pretty easily while ignoring a certain number of words, but if I opened a newspaper or Muramasa or a sci-fi novel or watched a show about cooking I'd be blown away.

>>134051400
If I were to spend those 6 months watching short 5 minute anime and easier manga then yeah, I think I could. If I spent 6 months grinding anki then fuck no.

>>134051400
Food is the worst.

>>134051400
Well but that isn't hell isn't it? That just means that you will read more stuff, with an ascending difficulty. Just think about all the good stuff that you will enjoy. Just save murasama on your harddrive and play it in 2 years or something.

>>134051426
I disagree. Like... I just plain disagree. If you were to say you could read it while ignoring a significant chunk of words, i.e. follow along but not understand a lot, then I could see where you're coming from, but I just plain don't believe you can learn all the words you need to for Japanese in only 6-12 months.
And I'm not talking just conversational fluency vocab, I mean "native-level", I mean being able to competently read and understand Japanese at a college level, not at a foreigner-not-knowing-50%-of-the-words level.

>>134051511
Vocab Hell is just a phrase, I think someone recommended it be changed to "purgatory", either way it refers to the period of time when your Japanese ability is held back by vocab long after you've mostly conquered grammar and kanji.

>>134051541
What I'm saying is that practicing reading for 6 months and doing anki for 6 months are two completely different things. Practicing anki is going to make you better at flash cards, practicing reading is going to make you better at reading. If I were to start reading Yotsuba today I could probably finish it within half a month. Then I could do something slightly more challenging, maybe Ika Musume? Then something more challenging... by 6 months I could read a manga I enjoy. Actually, I've already read a manga I enjoy at the very beginning and have been the entire time, but for the sake of argument I'd bet that in 6 months I could read... I don't know... TWGOK? Shokugeki? Anything in Shonen Jump probably, minus the more adult things.

>>134051597
Ah, that makes sense. Well, I would just stick to a texthooker and put everything into anki and learn kanji separately. But I'm not even that advanded, so what do I even know? Thanks for clearing it up for me.

>>134051647
Nothing you've said has lead me to believe that you would escape vocab purgatory/hell in less than 12 months. Please read >>134051597 for an extended definition. I don't know why you've got such a hateboner for anki off the start, it's a good tool to supplement reading, especially for rarer but still important kanji.

Reading Shounen manga but not being able to read more adult things is pretty much directly in line with vocab hell.

首を振っているよ、正直に。

>>134051752
Well first off, I'm not saying I would be past what you call Vocab Hell. Secondly, I don't hate anki at all.
What I am saying is that I could read what interests me -- e.h. Shonen Jump -- in 6 months of starting Japanese. My methods would include primarily reading as practice, not anki. Do you understand? By reading, I am practicing READING and Japanese, not Flash cards and Japanese. 6 months is loner than you think. Steve becomes gets 5k words in a month, and you're saying I can't read what interests me in 6? I could read Jump and watch OPM in 6 months.

>>134051793
what is the ni at the end supposed to do?

>>134051877
I see it all relates to you misunderstanding what vocab hell means.

>>134051903
ni after na-adjectives makes them into adverbs

>>134051936
Check out your post right here >>134051400
>Do you think you'll know enough words to read any book and watch any show you want, after only 6-12 months...? I mean, it took me 8 months to read moege pretty easily while ignoring a certain number of words

You claimed I wouldn't be able to read anything I want in 6 months, I'm claiming that's false. I'm sorry it took you 8 months to read a moege but some people are more competent than that.

>>134051877
Steve's word count is for vocab families.
食べる
食べるな
食べない
食べれない
食べれる
食べたい
食べたくない
This would count as 7 different words for steve.

You talk a lot about how you read but that's not something surprising or unique. It's just a fact that no matter how much you read, you will still be spending a very long time, years, accumulating vocabulary. Hence, vocab hell.
>>134052006
Hey, no need to be a bitch. You're just being anal about the phrase "you want". I was referring to all media in general, and being able to pick anything out of that and read it fluently. It's not MY problem that all you want to read is stuff aimed literally at elementary and middle schoolers.

>>134051947
I hope you don't mind, if I ask you this.

How is the translation of this sentence? I don't quite get what it means. The yo throws me off somehow. So someone is shaking his head, in an honest way? What is the yo then supposed to do?

>>134047591
In no particular order:
>Spirits
>Demons
>Ghosts
>Specters
>Apparitions
>Wraiths
>Phantoms
>Shade
>Soul
>Banshee
>Haunt
>Ethereal Being
>Incorporeal Being
>Poltergeist
>Revenant
Etc.

>>134052064
>Steve's Word count
I know, his actual word count is 15k. I divided it to a third for you, so don't bitch about it.

>Years acquiring vocab
You don't even understand, you STILL do that with ENGLISH. Why the fuck does anyone besides you care about this "Hell" you talk about? Why is learning words "Hell"? Do you mean that you know basically nothing in any text and you always have to learn hundreds of words to be able to read each thing? Then you're doing it wrong, sorry to burst your bubble.

>>134052064
You can't even read all the media in general in English. You have a piss-poor attitude about what makes you know a language or not.

In 6 months from starting Japanese I will be able to read a wide variety of texts. Vocab Hell is a myth people made up who are either shit at learning a language or are reading shit they hate for no reason.

>>134052128
It's a meme.

>>134050587
Should have gone with Norwegian, better mutual intelligibility with Danish.

>>134052128
Smh Tbh.

>>134052193
I've already gone through the vocab hell of English, and can now read books and wikipedia page with negligible dictionary look ups. No clue why you're trying to pretend that one's vocab level in one's native language would be anything close to one's vocab level in Japanese after your theoretical six months.
>In 6 months from starting Japanese I will be able to read a wide variety of texts.
Congratulations, and in 6 months you will be still learning a lot of vocabulary due to the large amounts of it unless you stick to your shounen manga.

Why are you being such a bitch about this? Ay carumba. At least I have the peace of mind that in six months you'll either be knee deep in hard vocabulary weeping, or you'll be pathetically sticking to shounen manga and comforting yourself about your failure.

Is there a way to force Anki ahead one day? The hours past midnight setting fucked up on me, and now it's saying I've completed my reps for today, even though I haven't. I don't want to fuck it up more, though. Just go forward a single day so that I can do my reps today. I don't care about my statistics, if that matters.

>>134052524
I think changing your computer time will do the trick.

>>134052646
Okay, thanks. When should I change it back to the actual time? Just whenever I've finished my reps?

>>134052330
Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about. I bet you are one of those people that actually reads texts with hundreds of new words each time.

>>134052688
Yeah

What is に"? (ni + dakuten)

ビッチ先生に弄ってもらいたい

>>134052713
See you in six months.

>>134052735
It means you are reading hentai

Can あいつ be used as plural or is あいつら always used and you can be certain they're talking about a single person when you see あいつ?

>>134052735
Dakuten where they don't usually go is like a strained pronunciation or something.

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what is this

>>134054184
A Kanji.

>>134054251
which one

>>134054184
〆, what else would it be?

>>134054184
>tfw you can just guess how to read kanji from context alone
They use 〆切 instead of 締め切り for some reason. I think it's mainly in anime/manga related things

Anyone know what I should do for listening practice for the N3 in these last few days?

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>>134054645
>taking the N3

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n00b here

I know kana and I've been reading Tae Kim/Genki.
Should I use Anki as well, or would that be too overwhelming?

>>134054325
ごめん、ごめんなさい、すまん、すまない、すいません、すみません、申し訳ない、恐縮です、恐れ入ります。
>>134054761
Anki is pretty important even in the beginning, right after you finish Kana and right after you read enough Tae Kim to understand how kanji are used; the only question is whether you want to do RTK or Vocab in anki.

>>134054761
Don't do what I did.
>begin by grinding vocab for months
>still don't understand basic grammar

>>134054863
Even the guide states that once you finish kana, you must immediately begin studying grammar, vocab, and kanji simultaneously

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>learning japanese is like… umm… impossible.
>japanese is made for native speakers only in my mind
>Japanese incorporates a tremendous amount of complicated grammatical structures
>lol to me japanese seems more tough in the beginning and confusing><
>的两句,i 的意思是”finished?”,ii则不是,you can tell.

>>134054645
Watch anime

>>134055096
Grinding vocab and kanji is pretty much the same thing with flashcards, unless you mean learning to write them.
As for grammar, I keep delaying it because I can't autistically grind it with Anki.

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>>134055904

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頽れる
英雄譚
静謐
rare kanji for you rare kanji elites

>>134056003
Oh my.

>>134055307
Youtube?

>>134056075
It's seriously pretty good, just pay damn close attention to the example sentences. If you can read example sentences you will have marked improvement in reading "real" sentences.
>>134056107
Tae Kim's blog comments

>>134056127
Oh shit, poor Tae Kim. I hope he knows there are capable people who learned a lot using his guide at their humble 日本語 start.

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If you can't read this you can't learn Japanese.

>>134056003
Where's the link to that deck?

/a/ I just have on question

Why is it that 孕む and 触る(さわる) are marked intransitive in some dictionaries, but を孕ませる/を孕む　and を触る gives millions of hits on google? Is it a mistake on the dictionary?

>>134056377
You really need context to understand the jab of this scene

What does the テンプレhashtag on twitter mean?

>>134056426
You should still be able to figure out phonetically.

>>134056387
Deeply embedded within the OP's autism, link hidden behind 3 trials designed to test your willingness to learn Japanese
In fact it seems to have been moved and the only way I found it was someone posted the direct link a couple threads ago
http://www.mediafire.com/download/g0388ruwmhz6x0l/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E6%96%87%E6%B3%95%E8%BE%9E%E5%85%B8%E4%BE%8B%E6%96%87%E5%85%A8%E9%9B%86%28cloze%29%288%29.apkg
You'll have to fuck with the format to make it not suck btw, I believe in you

>>134056501
that's not what he asked bro

>>134056568
No shit.

>>134056426
It's an exception to the case

Even though they are intransitive they are still used with を with them

yeah it's kinda shit but just learn it and move on

>>134056671
>yeah it's kinda shit but just learn it and move on
Or like, don't give a fuck about transitive vs intransitive

>>134056558
>to make it not suck
What's so bad about it?
I'm both lazy and tech illiterate, so if the vanilla version is even slightly passable I'll go with it.

>>134056426
Here you go dudester
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/6772905.html

>>134056690
that's sort of okayish if you're just reading, but if you're composing, or writing japanese it kind of goes a long way knowing how to use a verb if you know transitive/intransitive rules

how many hours do you spend writing?

>>134056558
I think I'm the one who posted it a few threads ago, found it in the feedback page. Just go there whenever you can't find a link, that's where people post things that should be in the guide,.

>>134056825
I do not engage in such waste of time.

Talk me out of skipping my reps today

>>134056765
Not really. When you produce naturally you will not be thinking about whether a verb is transitive or not. I think if you're at the stage of needing to check if a verb is transitive or intransitive then you really shouldn't be writing or composing yet.

>>134056765
Even if you're reading you need to have some notion of it
And you'll trip on 　点く　点ける type of verbs when reading if you don't know this shit too

unless you memorize by-case scenario which is okay I guess? Idk to each their own

>>134056867
If you do your reps, you'll learn Japanese.
If you don't do your reps, you won't learn Japanese. Pick one.
>>134056747
1/2 of the cards are cloze delete, which to me are complete nonsense. You can bulk delete those though. I forget what's wrong with the other 1/2 but I remember needing to tweak them a bit.

>>134056867
You will regret it tomorrow, may as well do it.

>>134056873
With 0 notion of grammar, unless you spend years and years memorizing how each sentence is produced/composed/or made, you need to have at least some notion of how these things work

Like, yeah you can compose with 0 notion, but it will all be based on your experiences, and you'll never be able to tell if they're correct or not

You'll be composing with jackshit notion if what you're doing is correct, and you'll trip a lot.

>>134056958
> and you'll never be able to tell if they're correct or not
If a native wrote it then you can be safe in assuming it's close enough to being correct that it's ok. Furthermore, you'll be exposed to so much "correct" content that all the tiny mistakes will be overwritten as time passes. That's how every native learns their language after all.

What level did you start interacting with nips online?

>>134057009
Except that most adult people who have been exposed to English throughout their entire lives can't seem to speak it correctly.

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です

>>134057045
Depends on how much they're exposed to it and in what way they interact with it. You have people on /a/ with 1000~ hours watching anime but of course can't speak it worth shit. Likewise a Chinese dude living in NYC who spends most of his day in a kitchen barely really interacting with English will obviously not be good at it. If you spend a lot of time reading books and really interacting with the language, getting good is an inevitability.

>>134057009
>If a native wrote it then you can be safe in assuming it's close enough to being correct that it's ok
let's assume for a second that you're 100% correct and natives know their grammar completely (which is not true, they sometimes make mistakes even differentiating は and が, which they call each other "disabled kids" for doing such)
the problem is that if you browse a jap imageboard for anything more than a week you'll know that not all of them are japanese
some of them are koreans, or chinese who shitpost the japs a lot

they call each other zainichi or chon or whatever

But this discussion is pretty pointless.

If you don't want to learn absolutely ANY grammar, just do as you wish. I agree with you that starting with grammar is not a good idea, but if you want to become fluent with 0 notion of grammar, you can only go so far in not sounding like a 13 years old. Seriously.

>>134056377
ミルキー
ホライズン
don't know the other parts

>>134057105
No, I mean the average person still fucks up lay/lie, ends clauses with prepositions, says things like could of, and makes other mistakes, which causes him to sound stupid.

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>>134057095
ない

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Fellow handwritingfags, do you always give a little bit of thought to what you're going to write, or you just simply write the first thing that comes to mind?

>>134057145
>>134057165
If it's a mistake a native makes then it really doesn't matter if you make the "mistake" either. There is no perfection in language. Today's grammar mistake is tomorrow's grammar standard.

And, I'm mainly referring to reading actual books(/manga/anime/etc), not shitposts on 2ch, I imagine the former have more vetted language.

>>134057270
It's cool dude, just find your path to japanese
if you don't think something will be helpful to you then don't do it

if you realize later on that you made a mistake, then fix it

it's that simple

>>134057320
T-thanks, you too.

>>134056932
Not him, but why are cloze cards bad? If I'll be wasting my time with them, then I'll delete them.

>>134057240
I would use に instead of として there

>>134057356
That would be incorrect.

>>134057343
I don't think they're bad I just don't work well with them at all. Maybe you'll find them helpful.

>>134057356
what he wrote is fine

>>134057372
Why?

>>134057409
Because it doesn't make sense.

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せっせと勉強しても、決して日本人にならない

私はつまらない～！ ＼(*^o^)／

>>134057420
So you don't know

>>134057456
Calm your ego and go reread your grammar sources.

>>134057409
>i will use this small book as kanji and grammar practice
>i will use this small book in my kanji and grammar practice

He wants to say the former, and you want to say the latter.
Both makes sense, you just want to say something different

>>134057429
俺は日本人になりたくて勉強してるのではない
俺は。そのようなくだらない欲望で満たされる凡夫とは違うんだよ

俺は大和になりたいのだ

>>134057430
それは気の毒
趣味とか始めたら治るかもしれないよ

>>134057644
ぼーんぷ？
その言葉でいいんですかね
凡人のほうが自然だが
凡夫などの言葉は仏さんに限れ

Can anyone give a quick and clear explanation of the usage of わけ at the end of sentences?

>>134057988
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/reasoning

>>134057931
わたしのちゅーにーものでふつーにでてきたからきっとだいじょーぶ

>>134057988
Read DOJG

>>134058018
>>134058027
Thanks, both look useful.

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Hey, any of you autists can seed the 紫影のソナーニル -What a beautiful memories- torrent on nyaa?

>>134058828
http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=270736

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>>134058859
Thanks.

>>134058903
Don't forget to pick up
http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=280401
If you're a chuuni loving dude who plans on playing Muramasa and such

>>134053460
Thank you

>>134053243
Shitty fancomics, actually, but close, I guess!

>watching HackaDoll
>one of the characters says だいじょうばない

WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE

>>134057154
光厨 (ぴかちゅう)
亜盗 (アヌス)

>>134059261
>おめでとう
>おめでた
WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE

>>134059261
大丈夫

>>134059298
穴留？

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>plodding through chuunige
>have been listening to the battle theme playing on loop for literally hours

>>134059696
運、阿鳴

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>>134059710
>立て、この程度で終わりはしない。

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>>134050587
>You guys are doing it all wrong, the true best method of learning Japanese is to learn something else first.
I actually had this thought before I started, but then I thought "all that time spend learning the other language is time I could spend learning Japanese". Besides, even though I would like to learn other languages out of simple interest in them, there's no real compelling content that I'm aware of to justify the effort, so I'd probably just give up anyway.

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>>134051060

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>tfw my mouse is dying
>not sure if I have any old ones lying around
Might not be able to post ぞい子 or do Anki reps for a few days if the mouse dies for good

Atleast I can watch anime without a mouse

>>134060290
Use numpad for anki? enter or spacebar for "show answer", 1 2 3 4 for answering.

>>134060290
Who the hell keeps a pet mouse?

>>134060290
turn on mousekeys?

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>>134060405

>>134060314
How do I choose which deck to start?

>>134060416
I guess this would work

>>134060405
You don't have a mouse you pet all day long?

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>reading pic related
>mom walks in
>notices Japanese
>she asks "what does that say?"
>i respond "uh a lot of things"
>she says: "what's your favourite part of it then?"
>i say "uhh... I like how they conjugate the ubau into masu form to act as a conjugation..."
Total spaghetti. What would you guys have said in response to that? Just started reading out loud in Japanese ?

>>134060625
I hate the French.

>>134060625
>letting anyone know you are learning Japanese
You done goof'd

>>134060576
windows key + # to open anki
press tab until it's over the deck you want
press enter

>>134060625
>what's your favourite part of it then?
I like the part where it's aimed at 13 year olds. It matches perfectly with my mental age.

>>134060625
That looks like a cringy as shit VN

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>>134060752
It's actually pretty much the only reason I can continue being a NEET, every time someone mentions I'm a failure wasting my life my Mom mentions that I'm "not sitting around playing video games all day, he's studying Japanese". Gotta keep it up.
>>134060793
>>134060818
Eh. It's no worse than any moege. I don't know why people over-react to chuuni being for teens when moege are just the same shit, but with even less maturity in themes most of the time. Do games have to be a sterile plotge taking place in a realistic setting to not be cringy? Eh, either way, I like it, quite enjoyable so far. Gotten like 20 kanji for my kanjigrid so far.

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>>134060879
>every time someone mentions I'm a failure wasting my life my Mom mentions that I'm "not sitting around playing video games all day, he's studying Japanese". Gotta keep it up.

this made me sad
I'm so sorry for your mother

>>134060937
>I'm so sorry for your mother
H-hey, I'm only an economic burden, not an emotional burden, so it's not that bad.

>>134044858
Do they use the less polite forms on 2ch as well or would they use 諦めません?

pls help I'm scared I will get lost in japan and nobody will speak english because I won't be in tokyo

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>>134060975
>Do they use the less polite forms on 2ch

I just read Tae Kim's guide to grammar and holy shit that part with the double negative for "something you must do" is pretty retarded

I mean, in a logic kind of way it absolutely make sense but why man?

>>134061143
you mustn't not do thing doesn't mean you must do thing

>>134060937
Keep your meme apology, dumb frogposter.

>>134061143
迷わないといけない

>>134060964
You think seeing you live your life like this doesn't cause her emotional distress?
You're both.

>>134061199
Well, I happen to know my mother a bit more than you do, so I can safely say no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSRSIyZSvrQ&feature=youtu.be

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仏に逢えば仏を殺せ
親に逢えば親を殺せ
何物にも捕われず
縛られず
ただあるがままに己を生きる

>>134060879
Kanjigrid?

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>>134061344
Kanjigrid counts every unique kanji in your anki deck. So when I mine words with new kanji my kanjigrid grows. It's fun to watch it grow and swell.

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>>134061182

>>134061408
Nice shade progression

>>134061408
Thanks

>>134045065
私わひびべんきょうする！

:)

>>134061444
I organized it by score, pretty much every grid will look like that

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>Struggle for 3 days to find meaning in something that made no sense to the point where I thought it was some obscure slang
>Realize I was just reading the sentence wrong
I'm glad it's over.

>>134060625
Just translated it and said it in english? duh?

>>134061597
>translating long passages on the fly

how do you amember words as they arrive in anki

>>134061694
Kanji, radicals, and repetition

>>134061716
Look em up in jisho?

>>134061671
Just skim over it and pick out the kanji imo she's not gonna want to know word for word or care anyways. My point was I don't think she was asking you to actually read it out in japanese, because she wouldn't understand it anyways? Idk man...

>>134060625
Just a read a sentence in Japanese, then give a rough English translation. Although since she is your mom, she probably expected an autistic answer like the one you gave.

>>134061734
The kanji? Yeah, I guess, but I mainly meant... looking at the kanji as they are in anki. Like 漏水, leak + water, easy peasy.

>>134061845
Depends what you are testing. Leak+water isn't going to help much remember the actual word, unless you have some sort of phonetic association with those two words that helps you recall ろうすい.

>>134061987
The word is leakage so having the kanji for leak in it certainly helps significantly.

>>134060625
>"I came to snatch your victory. I made it here by crushing my enemies. However, those many dreams I've come to face weren't meaningless, or else how could I look down on them when they were inferior to me?
>Nobody has those qualifications. Even if the end result was that I crushed their wishes..."

>In the case that ideal and ideal clashed, one would break, one would remain.

What did I get wrong? Most likely "However, those many dreams I've come to face weren't meaningless, or else how could I look down on them when they were inferior to me?" is completely off.

>>134061408
>all that white
>魍 not next to others from 魑魅魍魎
cheater adding kanji from a list detected

>>134062614
Sorry, but you're wrong. The white is because I do few new words a day, but add a lot of words, I only see 1 or so new kanji a day in my new cards. I don't really know what's up with the 魍 thing, I added that word from DJT for dem sweet kanji gains and that was that; but in any case here's my mining deck.
http://pastebin.com/fmAkcZgt

>>134062709
>"mining" deck
>only 5011 lines
lol

>>134062709
You can really see the progression here, I know most of the first 1500 words. But from 1500 on, most are unknown to me. Guess I'm still a while away from reading Dies Irae.

>>134062956
My mining deck is 200 lines, wanna fight about it?

>>134062956
I don't mine every word I don't know.
>>134062994
Yeah, the words in the end are "I read 20 visual novels and didn't see this kanji a single time until the 21st one", so there's a real progression of difficulty.

>>134062468
>no one replies
lel

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>>134062709
>tfw you can't read any of those
>hover over with rikai for hiragana and know what the words mean
Fucking kanji

>>134063253
If you need to resort to Rikai to know the meaning of the words, you simply don't know them or know them well enough.

>>134062956
Fewer than 6k words in anki and i'm fluent

>>134063253
Well obviously you'll know what they mean after you use rikai. "hiragana", pssh

>>134063353
Is it a trap or a guy dressed like a woman?

>>134063075
I at least expected the one who posted to the screenshot to reply to my post.

>>134062468
Anyone?

>>134063301
>>134063314
All I need is the reading for the kanji. I don't look at the English if I don't need to since it interrupts the flow of reading sentences

>>134063460
Screenshot poster here, I don't really comment on stuff like that because I'm not fluent so my opinion means jack and shit. I more or less agree with you except you (naturally) missed that どうして～できようか is actually a "set phrase" so to speak that means "いや、決して～できないだろう" as far as I can tell from this page I found while googling at the time
http://viethuong.web.fc2.com/MONDAI/223.html

>前
>previous, preceding, some time ago
>ahead, the future, destination
What is bullshit
I thought they were saying "I'll turn back and start walking"

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>Jap friend wants to talk on skype
>I havent practiced speaking once
Help

>>134063665
>>134030352
>>134030396
Not exactly the same, but I had a similar issue last thread.

>>134063845
There is not better way to practice speaking the language than to speak the language. Foreigners who struggle with speaking are cute, don't sweat it.

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Dear /djt/ I want a japanese wife more than anything in existence, and must get a decent paying job in Japan. In a last ditch attempt to avoid getting a business job, Im thinking of becoming an IT. How does one become an IT that specializes in Networking and Security and what not? I like the internet, and used to be interested in computer viruses as a kid, so why not? Is there a book series I can follow? Should I give up because a chinese kidergartner probably knows 10x more than I ever will, or is there some potential?

And if its a hopeless dream, be honest, Ill bite the bullet and become an accountant or whatever default high paying job there is.

>>134064046
You sound like a faggot.

>>134064046
You won't get any job.
They won't even take you to clean the toilets.

>>134064046
Do you have a USB cord? Plug one end into your computer, and the other in your mouth.

>>134064014
But I dont feel like I can make sentences correctly even when typing, I wont sound cute just retarded

>>134063577
It's still kind of similar in meaning, isn't it? With the どうして～できようか being a rhetorical question and all. Kinda like "How could it possibly be ~?" compared to "It couldn't possibly be ~"

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>>134064175

>>134064014
>tfw don't own a mic and too shy to use one even if I had one
>will never get speaking practice
Atleast I can read VNs I guess ;_;

>>134064193
>or else how could I look down on them when they were inferior to me?
To me, this implies he DID look down on them. I would word it as (in english, of course)
>there's no way I could look down on them as if they were inferior to me

>>134064188
>>134064222
Pussy ass faggots. Go reread hanahira for the 100th time if you don't want to challenge and improve yourself.

>>134064188
Hiroyuki a cute. Don't you want to be like him?

>>134064288
Ah, I see it now. And it makes sense considering what he says next. Thanks a lot.

What kind of a fucked up font does tae kim use?
Even jisho won't sometimes recognise some of the basic kanji there. For example: http://jisho.org/search/%E2%BE%BC%E9%80%9F

>>134064547
⾼・高
LITERALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE

>>134064547
which version of the guide are you using

post the URL

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>>134064078
>>134064171
>>134064175
/djt/ お願い！

For sure, there are gaijin ITs lurking here tonight, but if there are not, Ill just have to ask /g/.

>>134064662
The one from the guide. http://www.mediafire.com/download/hq2536ew6anf5wt/grammar_guide.pdf

>>134064658
It's funny how it looks identical to the other font that jisho actually understands. http://jisho.org/search/%E9%AB%98%E9%80%9F

>>134064658
what the fuck

>>134064702
CS is not a high paying field in Japan.

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Hey /DJT/!

It is my wish to move to Japan and become the prime minister. I want to lead the Japanese people to global domination with my superior gaijin intellect and their Asian work ethic. I will be a tough but fair ruler, and I will also force the Japanese to mate with each other in order to ensure the continuation of their race. Furthermore, I shall select one of their own to mate with me. Please help me to achieve this goal. It is my dream, and I think I will have to kill myself shall I fail in this pursuit.

>>134064862
I miss Hitler speech anon
it's been over a fucking year hasn't it? god damn.

>>134064801
It's not a font, it's a different character
U+2FBC ⾼
U+9AD8 高

>>134064862
Becoming pals with the Rothschilds would probably be the easiest route.

>>134064862
I'm sure you can do it, just get a plane ticket and fly over there

>>134064845
>CS is IT

>>134064862
Do you have a USB cord? Plug one end into a power outlet, and the other in your mouth.