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Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
Who cares about retention rate? If you see the card once then don't rememeber it the second time, that decreases your rate... so who the fuck cares? The ONLY thing that matters is that you remember them at the end of the day, and even that is arguable.
Retention rate is just something idiots fap to so they can pretend like they're better than they are.
Unless you miss new cards 3 times each most of the reps are older cards, and consistently getting 50% retention rates is not optimal at all.
But I guess we could just tell the person who is worried about his retention rate that any rate is OK and he should keep doing everything the way he does now.
I think 'goal' would be a better translation, but yes according to Japanese sites 狙い does translate to 'aim' as in the 'aim' of doing something.
So yeah I guess you're correct. I think 'goal' or 'target' would work to but I can't be sure because I don't kow the context.
This is the webpage I referred to:
He posts the thread
Anything less than 100% can be improved, I don't think it's meaningful or helpful to divide lines at 70%, 80%, or 90% and make up nonsense about when which is okay. After thinking about it, that kind of division is probably based on one's own experience - "I got 80% while doing my deck so anything lower than that is pretty bad". I don't really see how pushing one own experience on others is a good thing.
His question was
>How much % correct rate I'm supposed to have with 20 new cards a day and averaging 200~250 reps per day?
The answer to that is not to make meaningless lines of division at random percentages, the answer is that is no "proper" percentage level. Just that higher is better so supplement anki with reading, writing, etc etc and let everything take care of itself.
The real answer is "You should set your own personal standards on how much you are willing to get wrong and forget and how much you want to retain. You can refer to other people's standards as a way to gauge how hardcore you want to be."
Eh, now you're just trying to defend your dumb post with retroactive justification. Well, even if you don't want to recognize it that's admitting you were in the wrong, so I'm satisfied here.
Have you considered that I left that out of the post because I didn't expect some pedantic autist to jump on it and start attacking me for the most insignificant things? Holy shit, I thought you were kidding around at first but you're actually for real. I'm actually mad now that some autist is attacking me on the internet. Fuck you.
> start reading Tae Kim because can't into grammar
> here's some basic nouns and Kanji you should learn
> 先 - saki/sen - ahead
> 生 - sei/nama - life
> 先生 - sensei (someone who is ahead in life)
holy fuck I feel like I just discovered the cure for AIDS or something
>read VN without texthooker
>too lazy to look up any words or add them to anki
I saw it in Tae Kim's blog as an example of why Japanese needs kanji. I decided to post it here to see how many people would even bother trying to read it. I don't think anyone did.
I really don't understand how Steve gets by without using flashcards or Anki. Imagine how much time he must waste having to look up the same words over and over before he eventually learns them.
>in order to learn Korean, you not only have to learn most of the sounds in Japanese but also additional sounds, many whose difference I can’t even tell.
Isn't he Korean though?
Look up lingq and how it works, it should become very obvious how he learns them quickly, though the past must have been pretty hard.
That said he does use flashcards sometimes, like when he was memorizing the hanzi (only for first 1,000 though).
Any Japanese person or intermediate learner wouldn't have an issue with that. Read it out and not a single Japanese would misunderstand. Kim is a Russian born gook, not exactly the best person for advice either way.
The time spent hitting "enter" on anki to show the back is far less than the time it would take him to open a physical dictionary (pre-internet) or look up a word online (pre-linq). So for most of Steve's life, anki is much much faster than manually looking up words
He's right though, I watch GCCX and whenever those old NES games are pure kana, Kanchou doesn't break a goddamn sweat and speed reads them no problem. Think of it this was. If you can understand spoken speak, why would kana be that difficult?
One might also argue that precisely because it's so easy, you are training your brain to expect being able to find the definition of a word at a moments notice, and therefore it doesn't place a huge priority on committing that memory. But if you had to look up words in a book every time, the brain would remember the struggle and thus store the vocab much more easily to avoid going through that again.
When reading something with words you are testing yourself as well. No one just instantly looks up words, they take a moment to try and see if they understand it. Just like flashcards.
>Kanchou doesn't break a goddamn sweat and speed reads them no problem.
You realise you're talking about an actor in a scripted show, right?
>If you can understand spoken speak, why would kana be that difficult?
Visual recognition and aural recognition are two different things. With speech you have intonation and other audible clues which help you discern where one word ends and the next begins.
Putting aside that the filming is live-action, if you watch some Japanese 実況プレイ's of old NES games you'll see them not struggled at all.
>With speech you have intonation and other audible clues which help you discern where one word ends and the next begins.
Spaces. Tae Kim used spaces and said they didn't help.
>You realise you're talking about an actor in a scripted show, right?
>implying he reads them multiple times until he manages to read it perfectly
Kana is easy to read, especially when you have spaces
The point of spaced repetition is to make it possible to rote memorize extremely large amounts of information without stuff you're better at taking up time that would be better spent on the little shit.
The format of a SRS-friendly flashcard -- little enough information to be easy to memorize accurately -- is very good for SRS, but increases the amount of exposure you need before you learn the thing.
Encountering new words three times in the same paragraph makes me memorize that single word forever. I only need to see it like one more time in a week, then one more time in a year, and I know it forever.
Thing is, getting new words while reading is a lot slower than flashcards, and reading fluidly is pretty much impossible if you have fewer than 2000 or so words, even if you have a texthooker or rikai.
There's reasons that the most common advice here is to memorize the first several words but start reading as soon as possible.
>N2 doesn't seem useful to me
Well it's time to wake up because just about every word from n5 through n1 is absolutely essential.
Read a book, anon, read news articles. You need to learn the words in those. And you will find that the words in books and articles match up with the JLPT vocab list fairly closely.
That's very vague. What if I want to read this?
do you guys try to pimp your learning experience with substances? I read some stuff about the amphetamine meme here.
I will drink some alcohol(whine) this evening while studying. Didn't drink anything for years. Will I screw up my reps, senpai?
I've done my reps while high and while drunk.
I found that weed did not influence my ability to recall words very much, nor did it affect my short term memory a whole lot.
Alcohol made concentrating a whole lot more difficult, and negatively affected my short term memory when learning new cards.
>mfw I dropped Japanese for Swedish
>mfw I only have 3 new letters to learn instead of thousands plus two sets of 46
>mfw I can just go straight into the actual language without having to worry about kanji vs vocab shit
>mfw I get to meme on people and inhale to say "yes"
>mfw I'm still learning kanji on the side
>mfw when I'm done Swedish I'll be able to just dive into Japanese because I'll be done kanji
>mfw I'll also know for sure that I can learn a language and thus be more willing to sacrifice a lot of time for it
You guys are doing it all wrong, the true best method of learning Japanese is to learn something else first.
Yeah, but by knowing Swedish you're literally turning yourself in a Muslim loving kek faggot. Trust me, by the time you get deep into Swedish, you'll completely drop Japanese in favor learning Arabic, and you'll also have contracted AIDS from all the Muslim dick in your ass.
All the time you've spent on Swedish is time I've spent on Japanese, so to speak, I would rather have more progress in Japanese than the benefits of learning a second language first (I don't mind learning vocab and kanji, I already know for sure I can learn the language because I've read books in it, etc etc).
>But is learning kanji without any context really that meaningful?
Yeah, it help you a lot with remembering vocab and gives you the same sort of context a native speaker would have after going through sch-
>I mean in the end you are just learning symbols with some onyomi, right?
Oh. Don't do this.
>tfw fluent in German and English due to upbringing
>tfw learned French in school
>tfw learning Japanese
Must suck to be an EOP.
>Learning the onyomi
I'm just learning the kanji and it's english meaning. Even if it's not the most effective way, it doesn't even matter because I'm just doing it on the side while learning another language.
That's your choice and I respect it. I have a few online friends that speak Swedish so it benefits me. I'd rather know Japanese but in the end knowing both is cool too.
If you're Canadian then learning French in school doesn't mean shit.
It's so cute when Europeans try to act smug because they know English and some useless language.
Meanwhile those of us who are actually fluent in Japanese know two useful languages.
Already drank half a bottle of wine. I'm not getting drunk or anything, I'm rather getting alot less stressed about the reps and everything. I think I will do some additional reading today.
Well I only wanted to know what you guys already tried, I didn't want to dive full into amphetamines today or anything.
Well it's not like I wanted to say that your progress is meaningless or something. I just wanted to know if you find it meaningful or not. I only learn japanese at the moment, and just learning the kanji without the reading on the side wouldn't get me to a solid understanding of the language. I wouldn't be able to even learn the kanji without any practice use.
>those of us who are actually fluent in Japanese
I see two things which are not true.
European languages are pretty useful too.
Afrikan languages are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head that are utterly useless. Also literal dead languages, but even Latin has the argument of "l-learn the root words!" so it's at least a little helpful.
I find it meaningful. Being able to attach words to kanji makes recognizing them a lot easier. Trying to remember kanji I haven't studied is like trying to remember 20 random lines, it's hard to remember words with 2 or 3 kanji I don't know. This is for me at least, I know some people swear that it doesn't matter to them. But for me, I don't consider it a waste of effort at all to learn Kanji.
The only problem I would have with learning "two languages", as a strategy or not, is the knowledge that Vocab Hell exists in EVERY language and it's fucking' awful. Like... I'm already thinking "yup, gonna be crunching Japanese vocab for a couple more years", there's no way I'd subject myself to that in ANOTHER language, at the same time no less.
Vocab hell lasts years. I don't expect you'll spend several years grinding kanji?
There won't be a Norwegian vocab hell because there's no compelling content in Norwegian. Ha.
Well in germany, you need to learn two languages to go into university. So I kinda know the problem. It's not that hard, just don't think about it and stick with it. That sounds cheesy, doesn't it?
I imagine conversational fluency is OK for that. To be conversationally fluent you would only need like 6,000 words. I knew a guy who lived in Japan and talked in Japanese to his Japanese friends, and I showed him my anki mining deck and he knew none of the words, so yeah, if you stick to a low level in the language you can avoid vocab hell.
I don't think so.
Learning the language to fluency, yeah that takes years. But Vocab "Hell"? Maybe a year at most if you're slow, but realistically probably half a year. After that it shouldn't be hell anymore, it should just be enjoyable. I don't get this "years of grinding" meme, it's not like that at all. Look at Steve as an example, he doesn't have years of vocab Hell. It's a myth that it lasts nearly that long.
>But Vocab "Hell"? Maybe a year at most if you're slow, but realistically probably half a year. After
Uh, what? Do you think you'll know enough words to read any book and watch any show you want, after only 6-12 months...? I mean, it took me 8 months to read moege pretty easily while ignoring a certain number of words, but if I opened a newspaper or Muramasa or a sci-fi novel or watched a show about cooking I'd be blown away.
Well but that isn't hell isn't it? That just means that you will read more stuff, with an ascending difficulty. Just think about all the good stuff that you will enjoy. Just save murasama on your harddrive and play it in 2 years or something.
I disagree. Like... I just plain disagree. If you were to say you could read it while ignoring a significant chunk of words, i.e. follow along but not understand a lot, then I could see where you're coming from, but I just plain don't believe you can learn all the words you need to for Japanese in only 6-12 months.
And I'm not talking just conversational fluency vocab, I mean "native-level", I mean being able to competently read and understand Japanese at a college level, not at a foreigner-not-knowing-50%-of-the-words level.
Vocab Hell is just a phrase, I think someone recommended it be changed to "purgatory", either way it refers to the period of time when your Japanese ability is held back by vocab long after you've mostly conquered grammar and kanji.
What I'm saying is that practicing reading for 6 months and doing anki for 6 months are two completely different things. Practicing anki is going to make you better at flash cards, practicing reading is going to make you better at reading. If I were to start reading Yotsuba today I could probably finish it within half a month. Then I could do something slightly more challenging, maybe Ika Musume? Then something more challenging... by 6 months I could read a manga I enjoy. Actually, I've already read a manga I enjoy at the very beginning and have been the entire time, but for the sake of argument I'd bet that in 6 months I could read... I don't know... TWGOK? Shokugeki? Anything in Shonen Jump probably, minus the more adult things.
Ah, that makes sense. Well, I would just stick to a texthooker and put everything into anki and learn kanji separately. But I'm not even that advanded, so what do I even know? Thanks for clearing it up for me.
Nothing you've said has lead me to believe that you would escape vocab purgatory/hell in less than 12 months. Please read >>134051597 for an extended definition. I don't know why you've got such a hateboner for anki off the start, it's a good tool to supplement reading, especially for rarer but still important kanji.
Reading Shounen manga but not being able to read more adult things is pretty much directly in line with vocab hell.
Well first off, I'm not saying I would be past what you call Vocab Hell. Secondly, I don't hate anki at all.
What I am saying is that I could read what interests me -- e.h. Shonen Jump -- in 6 months of starting Japanese. My methods would include primarily reading as practice, not anki. Do you understand? By reading, I am practicing READING and Japanese, not Flash cards and Japanese. 6 months is loner than you think. Steve becomes gets 5k words in a month, and you're saying I can't read what interests me in 6? I could read Jump and watch OPM in 6 months.
Check out your post right here >>134051400
>Do you think you'll know enough words to read any book and watch any show you want, after only 6-12 months...? I mean, it took me 8 months to read moege pretty easily while ignoring a certain number of words
You claimed I wouldn't be able to read anything I want in 6 months, I'm claiming that's false. I'm sorry it took you 8 months to read a moege but some people are more competent than that.
Steve's word count is for vocab families.
This would count as 7 different words for steve.
You talk a lot about how you read but that's not something surprising or unique. It's just a fact that no matter how much you read, you will still be spending a very long time, years, accumulating vocabulary. Hence, vocab hell.
Hey, no need to be a bitch. You're just being anal about the phrase "you want". I was referring to all media in general, and being able to pick anything out of that and read it fluently. It's not MY problem that all you want to read is stuff aimed literally at elementary and middle schoolers.
I hope you don't mind, if I ask you this.
How is the translation of this sentence? I don't quite get what it means. The yo throws me off somehow. So someone is shaking his head, in an honest way? What is the yo then supposed to do?
>Steve's Word count
I know, his actual word count is 15k. I divided it to a third for you, so don't bitch about it.
>Years acquiring vocab
You don't even understand, you STILL do that with ENGLISH. Why the fuck does anyone besides you care about this "Hell" you talk about? Why is learning words "Hell"? Do you mean that you know basically nothing in any text and you always have to learn hundreds of words to be able to read each thing? Then you're doing it wrong, sorry to burst your bubble.
You can't even read all the media in general in English. You have a piss-poor attitude about what makes you know a language or not.
In 6 months from starting Japanese I will be able to read a wide variety of texts. Vocab Hell is a myth people made up who are either shit at learning a language or are reading shit they hate for no reason.
I've already gone through the vocab hell of English, and can now read books and wikipedia page with negligible dictionary look ups. No clue why you're trying to pretend that one's vocab level in one's native language would be anything close to one's vocab level in Japanese after your theoretical six months.
>In 6 months from starting Japanese I will be able to read a wide variety of texts.
Congratulations, and in 6 months you will be still learning a lot of vocabulary due to the large amounts of it unless you stick to your shounen manga.
Why are you being such a bitch about this? Ay carumba. At least I have the peace of mind that in six months you'll either be knee deep in hard vocabulary weeping, or you'll be pathetically sticking to shounen manga and comforting yourself about your failure.
Is there a way to force Anki ahead one day? The hours past midnight setting fucked up on me, and now it's saying I've completed my reps for today, even though I haven't. I don't want to fuck it up more, though. Just go forward a single day so that I can do my reps today.
I don't care about my statistics, if that matters.
I know kana and I've been reading Tae Kim/Genki.
Should I use Anki as well, or would that be too overwhelming?
Anki is pretty important even in the beginning, right after you finish Kana and right after you read enough Tae Kim to understand how kanji are used; the only question is whether you want to do RTK or Vocab in anki.
>learning japanese is like… umm… impossible.
>japanese is made for native speakers only in my mind
>Japanese incorporates a tremendous amount of complicated grammatical structures
>lol to me japanese seems more tough in the beginning and confusing><
>的两句,i 的意思是”finished?”,ii则不是,you can tell.
Grinding vocab and kanji is pretty much the same thing with flashcards, unless you mean learning to write them.
As for grammar, I keep delaying it because I can't autistically grind it with Anki.
rare kanji for you rare kanji elites
It's seriously pretty good, just pay damn close attention to the example sentences. If you can read example sentences you will have marked improvement in reading "real" sentences.
Tae Kim's blog comments
If you can't read this you can't learn Japanese.
/a/ I just have on question
Why is it that 孕む and 触る(さわる) are marked intransitive in some dictionaries, but を孕ませる/を孕む and を触る gives millions of hits on google? Is it a mistake on the dictionary?
You really need context to understand the jab of this scene
Deeply embedded within the OP's autism, link hidden behind 3 trials designed to test your willingness to learn Japanese
In fact it seems to have been moved and the only way I found it was someone posted the direct link a couple threads ago
You'll have to fuck with the format to make it not suck btw, I believe in you
Here you go dudester
that's sort of okayish if you're just reading, but if you're composing, or writing japanese it kind of goes a long way knowing how to use a verb if you know transitive/intransitive rules
I think I'm the one who posted it a few threads ago, found it in the feedback page. Just go there whenever you can't find a link, that's where people post things that should be in the guide,.
Not really. When you produce naturally you will not be thinking about whether a verb is transitive or not. I think if you're at the stage of needing to check if a verb is transitive or intransitive then you really shouldn't be writing or composing yet.
Even if you're reading you need to have some notion of it
And you'll trip on 点く 点ける type of verbs when reading if you don't know this shit too
unless you memorize by-case scenario which is okay I guess? Idk to each their own
If you do your reps, you'll learn Japanese.
If you don't do your reps, you won't learn Japanese. Pick one.
1/2 of the cards are cloze delete, which to me are complete nonsense. You can bulk delete those though. I forget what's wrong with the other 1/2 but I remember needing to tweak them a bit.
With 0 notion of grammar, unless you spend years and years memorizing how each sentence is produced/composed/or made, you need to have at least some notion of how these things work
Like, yeah you can compose with 0 notion, but it will all be based on your experiences, and you'll never be able to tell if they're correct or not
You'll be composing with jackshit notion if what you're doing is correct, and you'll trip a lot.
> and you'll never be able to tell if they're correct or not
If a native wrote it then you can be safe in assuming it's close enough to being correct that it's ok. Furthermore, you'll be exposed to so much "correct" content that all the tiny mistakes will be overwritten as time passes. That's how every native learns their language after all.
Depends on how much they're exposed to it and in what way they interact with it. You have people on /a/ with 1000~ hours watching anime but of course can't speak it worth shit. Likewise a Chinese dude living in NYC who spends most of his day in a kitchen barely really interacting with English will obviously not be good at it. If you spend a lot of time reading books and really interacting with the language, getting good is an inevitability.
>If a native wrote it then you can be safe in assuming it's close enough to being correct that it's ok
let's assume for a second that you're 100% correct and natives know their grammar completely (which is not true, they sometimes make mistakes even differentiating は and が, which they call each other "disabled kids" for doing such)
the problem is that if you browse a jap imageboard for anything more than a week you'll know that not all of them are japanese
some of them are koreans, or chinese who shitpost the japs a lot
they call each other zainichi or chon or whatever
But this discussion is pretty pointless.
If you don't want to learn absolutely ANY grammar, just do as you wish. I agree with you that starting with grammar is not a good idea, but if you want to become fluent with 0 notion of grammar, you can only go so far in not sounding like a 13 years old. Seriously.
Fellow handwritingfags, do you always give a little bit of thought to what you're going to write, or you just simply write the first thing that comes to mind?
If it's a mistake a native makes then it really doesn't matter if you make the "mistake" either. There is no perfection in language. Today's grammar mistake is tomorrow's grammar standard.
And, I'm mainly referring to reading actual books(/manga/anime/etc), not shitposts on 2ch, I imagine the former have more vetted language.
It's cool dude, just find your path to japanese
if you don't think something will be helpful to you then don't do it
if you realize later on that you made a mistake, then fix it
it's that simple
>i will use this small book as kanji and grammar practice
>i will use this small book in my kanji and grammar practice
He wants to say the former, and you want to say the latter.
Both makes sense, you just want to say something different
Hey, any of you autists can seed the 紫影のソナーニル -What a beautiful memories- torrent on nyaa?
>plodding through chuunige
>have been listening to the battle theme playing on loop for literally hours
>You guys are doing it all wrong, the true best method of learning Japanese is to learn something else first.
I actually had this thought before I started, but then I thought "all that time spend learning the other language is time I could spend learning Japanese". Besides, even though I would like to learn other languages out of simple interest in them, there's no real compelling content that I'm aware of to justify the effort, so I'd probably just give up anyway.
>tfw my mouse is dying
>not sure if I have any old ones lying around
Might not be able to post ぞい子 or do Anki reps for a few days if the mouse dies for good
Atleast I can watch anime without a mouse
>reading pic related
>mom walks in
>she asks "what does that say?"
>i respond "uh a lot of things"
>she says: "what's your favourite part of it then?"
>i say "uhh... I like how they conjugate the ubau into masu form to act as a conjugation..."
Total spaghetti. What would you guys have said in response to that? Just started reading out loud in Japanese ?
It's actually pretty much the only reason I can continue being a NEET, every time someone mentions I'm a failure wasting my life my Mom mentions that I'm "not sitting around playing video games all day, he's studying Japanese". Gotta keep it up.
Eh. It's no worse than any moege. I don't know why people over-react to chuuni being for teens when moege are just the same shit, but with even less maturity in themes most of the time. Do games have to be a sterile plotge taking place in a realistic setting to not be cringy? Eh, either way, I like it, quite enjoyable so far. Gotten like 20 kanji for my kanjigrid so far.
>every time someone mentions I'm a failure wasting my life my Mom mentions that I'm "not sitting around playing video games all day, he's studying Japanese". Gotta keep it up.
this made me sad
I'm so sorry for your mother
Do they use the less polite forms on 2ch as well or would they use 諦めません?
pls help I'm scared I will get lost in japan and nobody will speak english because I won't be in tokyo
>Do they use the less polite forms on 2ch
I just read Tae Kim's guide to grammar and holy shit that part with the double negative for "something you must do" is pretty retarded
I mean, in a logic kind of way it absolutely make sense but why man?
Kanjigrid counts every unique kanji in your anki deck. So when I mine words with new kanji my kanjigrid grows. It's fun to watch it grow and swell.
>Struggle for 3 days to find meaning in something that made no sense to the point where I thought it was some obscure slang
>Realize I was just reading the sentence wrong
I'm glad it's over.
Just skim over it and pick out the kanji imo she's not gonna want to know word for word or care anyways. My point was I don't think she was asking you to actually read it out in japanese, because she wouldn't understand it anyways? Idk man...
Depends what you are testing. Leak+water isn't going to help much remember the actual word, unless you have some sort of phonetic association with those two words that helps you recall ろうすい.
>"I came to snatch your victory. I made it here by crushing my enemies. However, those many dreams I've come to face weren't meaningless, or else how could I look down on them when they were inferior to me?
>Nobody has those qualifications. Even if the end result was that I crushed their wishes..."
>In the case that ideal and ideal clashed, one would break, one would remain.
What did I get wrong? Most likely "However, those many dreams I've come to face weren't meaningless, or else how could I look down on them when they were inferior to me?" is completely off.
Sorry, but you're wrong. The white is because I do few new words a day, but add a lot of words, I only see 1 or so new kanji a day in my new cards. I don't really know what's up with the 魍 thing, I added that word from DJT for dem sweet kanji gains and that was that; but in any case here's my mining deck.
I don't mine every word I don't know.
Yeah, the words in the end are "I read 20 visual novels and didn't see this kanji a single time until the 21st one", so there's a real progression of difficulty.
>tfw you can't read any of those
>hover over with rikai for hiragana and know what the words mean
Screenshot poster here, I don't really comment on stuff like that because I'm not fluent so my opinion means jack and shit. I more or less agree with you except you (naturally) missed that どうして～できようか is actually a "set phrase" so to speak that means "いや、決して～できないだろう" as far as I can tell from this page I found while googling at the time
>Jap friend wants to talk on skype
>I havent practiced speaking once
Dear /djt/ I want a japanese wife more than anything in existence, and must get a decent paying job in Japan. In a last ditch attempt to avoid getting a business job, Im thinking of becoming an IT. How does one become an IT that specializes in Networking and Security and what not? I like the internet, and used to be interested in computer viruses as a kid, so why not? Is there a book series I can follow? Should I give up because a chinese kidergartner probably knows 10x more than I ever will, or is there some potential?
And if its a hopeless dream, be honest, Ill bite the bullet and become an accountant or whatever default high paying job there is.
It's still kind of similar in meaning, isn't it? With the どうして～できようか being a rhetorical question and all. Kinda like "How could it possibly be ~?" compared to "It couldn't possibly be ~"
>or else how could I look down on them when they were inferior to me?
To me, this implies he DID look down on them. I would word it as (in english, of course)
>there's no way I could look down on them as if they were inferior to me
For sure, there are gaijin ITs lurking here tonight, but if there are not, Ill just have to ask /g/.
The one from the guide. http://www.mediafire.com/download/hq2536ew6anf5wt/grammar_guide.pdf
It's funny how it looks identical to the other font that jisho actually understands. http://jisho.org/search/%E9%AB%98%E9%80%9F
It is my wish to move to Japan and become the prime minister. I want to lead the Japanese people to global domination with my superior gaijin intellect and their Asian work ethic. I will be a tough but fair ruler, and I will also force the Japanese to mate with each other in order to ensure the continuation of their race. Furthermore, I shall select one of their own to mate with me. Please help me to achieve this goal. It is my dream, and I think I will have to kill myself shall I fail in this pursuit.
Idk mate, it looks the same to me. Why do Koreans have to make everything so difficult?
Just read Tanenbaum's Computer Networks and go from there. You're sure to give up a few pages in when you don't understand shit because you need some knowledge from other fields.
just like start romhacking n64 games
crash course in hex, assembly, computer architecture, games programming, DSP, object-oriented code, reverse engineering, binary data formats, and formal logic
it'll be fun!
IT work pays fuck all in Japan, literally minimum wage.
There are a million branches so it's hard to recommend something, it'll also depend on where the hell you're from.
Where I'm from there's trade schools for general IT support work, think helpdesk slave.
Then there's university degrees for infosec/netsec, databases, networking etc.
And lastly you have certifications (i.e. CISCO)
Mix and match these, throw them on a CV, find an IT job where you live for experience, get hired by a foreign firm with offices in Japan (think IBM, yahoo), take JLPT N1, ask to get transfered to the Japanese offices.
The only way you're gonna get a livable wage in Japan is by working for a so-called 外資系企業 or foreign company with offices in Japan.
Thank you /djt/! I honestly don't know what to do now after looking at this (pic) and hearing >>134065399. But fuck it, Im gonna try out this Internet shit for a week or month or so, and maybe Ill like it. But if I don't or that business job would have a much higher pay, I'll become one of these analysts people or something. Anything. Idk, what foreign job wouldn't pay mininum wage? Illl figure it out eventually. So much to learn, so little time.
My neet friends always make me feel better. Lets all marry Japanese girls, become neighbors in Japan, and hangout in front of japanese fence, in a japanese neighborhood, sipping on japanese beer one japanese day.
>literally minimum wage
Minimum wage is part-timing. Skilled worker in any field, IT included, makes 1.5-2 times what a part-timer working 40 hours a week does. If you're not in a black company where hourly pay comes out less than for flipping burgers.
I have worked for an ISP and all the NOCs either had cisco/similar certs or were studying for them, on the company's dollar. Maybe it's different where you live but some certifications are held in high regard here, especially in the IT field.
You don't just become an analyst. Analysts are people with 20 years of experience and career advancements. On top of that, to function as an analyst you would need excellent business-level Japanese skills.
>what foreign job wouldn't pay mininum wage?
None, they all require you to be able to function in a Japanese business environment, and a lot of that is knowing the language and the customs, so there aren't really any "foreign jobs" outside of part-time stuff like cleaning the floors at McDs.
thank you for the backup anon.
Ur a true faggot!
>teaching 札 this long after 改札口
If they were the same reading that would be dumb but since they are completely different readings that looks fine to me. There's plenty of things you will learn in jukugo long before you see their kun reading
Think of it this way, there's already 100 million people out there who speak Japanese flawlessly. And almost all of them live within commuting distance of tokyo or are willing to move there for work. So when mr. miyazaki or whatever is hiring nerds for his company, he's going to pick from that pool which doesn't include you. You need to go above and beyond if you want to get hired in a foreign country, you have to offer something that miyazaki can't find locally, and on top of that you have to speak Japanese well enough to function in the workplace.
So learn Japanese as a side thing by all means, but get yourself an education either through schools or self-studying and certifications. There's also a ton of opencourseware and information about technology and networking things in general, but that's a topic more for /g/ so you should go ask them instead.
>上 and 下 are the two kanji with most readings.
If your flashcards are smaller than this, you can't learn Japanese.
Did he say that in fluent Japanese? Always makes me laugh when aliens and foreigners have "bad" Japanese (e.g not knowing what 聡明 means) but in truth being pretty much fluent
>Did he say that in fluent Japanese?
Yes. In the reality of the show everyone is speaking English, so he is talking about learning Japanese in fluent Japanese.
A few episodes ago there were 2 kids playing しりとり, which made absolutely no sense, because they are supposed to be speaking English.
>Every job ever in Japan pays $5 USD per hour, and you can expect to work roughly 100 hours per week with no vacation time! To make matters even worse, they hate foreigners, and you can expect no friends and no opportunities for advancement! The only thing that you'll ever receive from the Japanese is a passive aggressive boot out of their country.
You know, I only ever hear this shit from people who've never lived in Japan, or who went over there via JET. You rarely hear it from people who live in Japan working a job that you'd expect to have decent pay. You do, however, hear people say from time to time that they live in Japan as a professional and most of that is bullshit.
That reminds me of Walkure Romanze. I originally didn't notice because I wasn't paying attention, but the whole game actually takes place in Europe and every character is a European speaking except the MC who is Japanese (I think it was everyone? I know Cecilia is, not sure why the other girls have kanji names then). This girl kept calling the MC "東洋" which made me think he was Chinese in Japan, but no he was Japanese in Europe. Of course, everyone spoke Japanese.
What time zone does Anki use? The time zone of the computer on which it is running? I'm currently in EST (so it's 02:54 am) and I have Anki set to start the new day at 6 hours past midnight, so it should roll over in about 3 hours, right?
Anki creator is nuts, it has something to do with compensating for Daylight Savings Time. I have it set to 23 hours after midnight right now but it rolls over at 10pm instead of 11pm. In 5 months, when time springs forward, it'll roll over at 11pm again. That's anki for you
It doesn't adjust for daylight savings time, so sometimes it is an hour off. I'm not sure if that is happening now or not.
I have mine set to 8 hours after midnight, because that is when I'm asleep 99% of the time.
The very beginning is the easiest part, and that's all Genki covers.
If you can't manage to be a beginner without a text book holding your hand, then good luck ever getting past that.
Reading VNs while referencing DoJG >>>>> Genki. Do that diligently for a month, and you'll be far beyond anything that Genki teaches.
You do want at least a rough foundation before you start reading, but that's why you go through Tae Kim.
>You realise you're talking about an actor in a scripted show, right?
You cannot be this stupid.
Japanese people don't need fucking subtitles to understand each other. They go from sound→meaning, unlike those who are not native Japanese. Kana is essentially that.
I don't know what Tae Kim has said on the matter but if he actually stated that this is a reason why Japanese need kana, this should be enough for people to know he doesn't know enough about Japanese to teach it. Unless there is deliberate wordplay involved and the like, the vast majority of educated Japanese have no real issues with kana, aside the fact that it takes longer to parse chunks of kana than it does with kanji involved.
It's like people forget that for many generations the Japanese didn't even have a written language and they passed knowledge down purely by spoken word.
I'm trying to follow the advice from anon last thread that told me to speak the lines of the MC from a VN.
And fuck, I'm stuttering, and have no idea how to properly speak some words. I really sound like the baka gaijin I am.
I tried watching some guides, but those didn't really help either. Especially not for the 『ら り る れ ろ」 sounds, I can't pronounce those correctly for the hell of it.
Any tips? Will it get better if I just keep on reading or should I try to watch some more guides?
>Encountering new words three times in the same paragraph makes me memorize that single word forever. I only need to see it like one more time in a week, then one more time in a year, and I know it forever.
Are you an idiot savant or something? If this is true your memory is better than at least 99.99 of the population. Legitimately amazing.
>Reading a manga for the first time without furigana
Im a god
>Vocab Hell is a myth people made up who are either shit at learning a language or are reading shit they hate for no reason.
>In 6 months from starting Japanese I will be able to read a wide variety of texts.
That world is going to come crashing down on your shoulders like a stack of bricks. Wait till you finish reading something only to start a new text and have to look up a few words every single sentence for pages at a time.
Language doesn't happen overnight.
Use this link, it is more up to date.
It was posted a week ago, maybe, but the maintainer/s of the guide seem to have gone AFK. This should be added to the guide. The format is fine and those cloze delete cards are very useful to test your understanding after the related recognition card has matured.
Average japanese university graduate has vocabulary of 40000 words. Unless you completely memorize 223 words a day for six months without slacking off even once your "variety of texts" will be limited by shounen manga and moege.
>Average japanese university graduate has vocabulary of 40000 words.
Not arguing with your main point, but that figure is meaningless without knowing how the researchers defined "word" (c.f. >>134052064)
I don't get this. How does furigana help if you're not a native or at least able to understand conversational Japanese on a decent level? When I was starting, every time I'd learn a word I'd learn it along with its kanji already, so furigana was virtually useless to me.
>Make sure you can't hear your own voice
Any reason for this? I though being able to hear me has helped me a bit in finding mistakes
> Speak them as you find them
What do you mean with this?
Not that anon, but watching anime has taught me a lot of words.
I already watched stuff like Non Non Biyori without subtitles before I read my first manga and started anki. Which lead to me having to rely on Furigana a lot.
>unironically having trouble with らりるれろ
Fucking germanics, I swear.
>makes it so I can look it up
Ah, so that's it. I guess that does make things simpler. I just never felt like looking up words through kanji amounted to a problem to begin with.
As for the case of words you know the sound of but don't know how to write, the words that fall into this category were comparatively so few, at least for me, that it didn't really make a significant difference on how easy it was to read.