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Who had it worse? Hanekawa or Oikura?

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Who had it worse? Hanekawa or Oikura?
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Math had it orders of magnitude worse, plus nowhere near the mental fortitude to deal with it.
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math is cuter
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>>134044254
I want to go to a therapist with math.
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>>134044254
this
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>>134044063
Both had terrible pasts, but at this point Sodachi's life is certainly worse than Hanekawa.
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>>134044063
Hanekawa of course.
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>Hanekawa
>Parents act like she doesn't exist

>Oikura
>Acts like her mother still exists
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>>134044615
This.
Both had it bad, but Sodachi didn't know how to keep going.
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>>134044063
Hanekawa's was shit, but Oikura's was fucking horrible.
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>>134044063
Euler easily.
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>>134044517
I want her to teach me math.
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>>134044063
>Who had it worse? Hanekawa or Oikura?

Oikura had parents who hated each other, and fought each other, while living in a slum. when dad split mom neglected her and herself. Euler suffered emotional abuse (though apparently no physical abuse). Eventually mom dies from malnourishment (mental illness?), and Euler throws her corpse out with the trash and fools herself into believing her mom ran away.

Hanekawa's mom was 17 and knocked up by a playboy who wanted nothing to do with her or her teen mother. Her mom married a guy and then committed suicide, the guy married a girl (Hanekawa's current mother) to take care of Hanekawa because he didn't want to, then promptly died due to overwork, leaving Hanekawa with her, who then promptly got married to Hanekawa's current father. Both want nothing to do with her, she doesn't have a room of her own, is ignored and generally neglected, and beaten and verbally abused from time to time.

Of the two I'd say Hanekawa's situation is actually more worse. Not only is she surrounded by dead parents/parental figures, but the current parental units hate her, fear her, beat her, and verbally abuse her. Literally nothing she will do will ever earn their approval or love. What made Ararararagi so ill about her home was how it had no sign of her even living there. For a guy who grew up in a loving house, that someone could grow up that neglected was heartbreaking to him.

Euler had it rough, but her situation was actually made worse due to her poor mental strength. had she 1/10th the mental fortitude of Hanekawa her life would have been much better. Hanekawa's life is horrifying, Euler's is tragic. of the two Hanekawa's situation was/is much worse, only she's far more well adjusted (even including both the cat and tiger) due to her mental fortitude.
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I just want Sodachi to channel all her anger and hatred into pure lust and take it all out on my throbbing, painful cock until she feels any amount of satisfaction.
I want her to grind herself on my dick and call me disgusting and degrade me for being so eager and willing to be treated this way by a high-school girl.
I want her to lock eyes with me and show me how much she reviles me by showing me the seething hatred and death within her.
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>>134046406
>Hanekawa's mom was 17 and knocked up by a playboy who wanted nothing to do with her or her teen mother.
Was this stated in the novels? I don't recall it being mentioned in the anime.
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>>134046406
> (though apparently no physical abuse)
Sodachi had 12 years of physical abuse from both the father and the mother (the mother just discounted on her, while the father actively abused her. After she saw the Araragi's family situation she tried to fix hers which invited even more beatings because she was "rebellious". After the divorce the mother didn't beat her anymore but raised the level of emotional torture, which continued after her death. That was before the class trial incident.
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>>134046788
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/25/i_fcked_a_republican_on_thanksgiving/
4u
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>>134044063
>officially rejected by him
>hates the shit of him
Hanekawa Oikura are only good for yuri
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>>134046799
A lot of Hanekawa's past is not in the anime.

Cat had it far worse but handled it better and became a stronger person (just at the cost of creating oddities as she tries to stay pure).

Math had it fairly bad but the biggest difference is that she barely held on by focusing her anger at others like Araragi.
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>>134046826
virus
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>>134047072
>Cat had it far worse
I don't know about that. Doesn't get any worse than killing your mom.
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>>134047187
your retarded
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>>134047324
Cat had it worse.
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>>134047072
Both have their own kind of dark side come from terrible family history.
However, Oshino said Hanekawa is a scary creature who constantly creates fatal oddities like sawarineko and kako to remain herself clean and perfect. In terms of that, Oikura's emotional discharge is way better and safer.
Did Oikura create any oddity that substantially harmed Araragi and forced him to suffer like cat, monkey, snake? No. Her hateful bias sure is pain to watch, but she managed to keep it real. Literally.
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>>134047674
I don't think you can create oddities unless you've been affected by one in the past. Hanekawa was only capable of creating the tiger because of her previous involvement with the meddlesome cat
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>>134047072
Suffering is subjective. If Sodachi is mentally weak, then having a comparable level of abuse she has it worse.

Considering how scarred she was at the point she was 15, even staying home alone for two years with only her thoughts after being betrayed by her teacher and classmates and absolutely no one ever supporting her would be like hell.
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>>134047938
Did she at least touch herself?
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>>134048438
Only out of despise for herself.
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>>134044200
This basically.
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>>134046406
>Her mom married a guy and then committed suicide
While Hanekawa certainly had a horrible childhood, her mom killed herself when she was an infant baby so she basically has no recollection of her real parents. Sodachi had to live with the abuse of her real parents for years.
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>>134044063
>Who had it worse? Hanekawa or Oikura?

Me because I can't dick any of them.
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>>134049761
Greatest tragedy of our time.
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I really hope Wazamonogatari already has her next chapter, I want her to find happiness already. Even if it means she will lose her cute twintails.
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>>134046406

Math's and Cat's problems were both self inflicted, but on different roads, traveling to the same destination. Math's life was bad but instead of overcoming her problems, she pretended they weren't there. Hanekawa's life was also bad, but instead of denying her problems, she wanted to be perfect in order to be loved. SO perfect, she lost all individuality and denied all emotions others would deem unpleasant.

I agree with what you said, Hanekawa's situation were the worst of the two and her conviction to be perfect back fired, which only made others disdain her more.

Cat is simply the best.

THE. BEST.
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>>134050053
>Math's and Cat's problems were both self inflicted

Oh for fuck's sake. Maybe their later personal issues, but those were caused by an abusive childhood environment. You're not going to seriously say that a young child of elementary age who is from an abusive household caused their own problems? Had a rational adult been in the same situation, was there something they could've done? Yes, probably quite easily. Does anyone expect a child born into domestic abuse to take those same steps? Of course not, none of Cat's or Math's problems were self inflicted.
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>>134050878
but muh bootstraps
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>>134050053
>Hanekawa didn't deny her problems

No she did not, she did however have the cat as a reliever
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>>134051077

I would like to have Cat as my reliever, if you know what I mean.
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>>134044063
I really hate Hanekawa's droopy eyes.
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>>134051225
kill yourself they are cute
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>>134051225
why?
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>>134044063
Probably Cat. Doesn't matter though since Sodachi is superior.
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>>134046406
> (though apparently no physical abuse)
She was frequently beaten.

>and beaten and verbally abused from time to time.
There was the one incident of hitting her. No mention of verbal abuse.

Given the choice of upbringing, I would definitely choose Hanekawa's circumstances.
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>>134049937

She was such a little slut.

She even admitted it herself.
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>>134051321
He's gay.
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>>134044063
Entirely depend on personal level and how the characters themselves deal with it. The choice just comes down to neglect vs. abuse
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What was in that fucking envelope though?
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>>134051534
>She even admitted it herself.
When?
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>>134051534
She tried to manipulate him and pretended to like him, but she didn't do anything outside of tutoring him. She is quite innocent in the end.
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>>134044063
Oikura had it worse, Hanekawa was a perfect robot from birth so she didn't feel any of the emotional or physical damage.
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>>134051798
Realistically, math problems. It's what connects them.
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>>134051798
it was blank
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>>134051798
ur a faget
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>>134051164
>that doujin where all the girls get afflicted by a bunny oddity
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Why is monkey so superior to the rest of the girls?
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>>134050878
Meme would probably say that it was their fault.
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Sodachi does seem to have more in common with Hanekawa than any character in terms of background, both being smart, araragi's childhood friends, class presidents and terrible lives from the day they were born.
>>134054810
Maybe if he doesn't like Sodachi as well, but it's not like she is a threat to anyone but herself.
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>>134050878
Anon the only person who can make you happy or unhappy is you. You choose these things for yourself.
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>>134054045
Reasons
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>>134054045
To make us suffer at her lack of existence
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>>134054991
Other people can make someone unhappy regardless of their wishes though. The point was that she had basically no chance at being happy if she didn't even want it, especially at that point when the ones who caused her unhappiness were no longer around.
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>>134054991
That's a different matter than what I was saying. They were the only ones who could initiate the process of moving on from their situation but the situation is not their fault.
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>>134054045
I was surprised that Araragi wasn't impressed by that sight in Hana. I guess he's probably sick of seeing girls naked by now.
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I will marry cat
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>>134055290
NIse, not Hana. Learn your Monkey. Love your Monkey.
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>>134049707

She actually does. Araragi is actually scared and amazed when Hanekawa says her mother looked like a mobile, swinging above her bed. Completely casually.

Plus the anime kind of skipped over the part in White where Hanekawa says she had several "friends" who she confided in, but who shunned her when they found out the perfect class rep had the shittiest family in the class. Her parents unashamedly showed how loveless the family was.

It's kind of why Oshino's monologue about taking their side is total BS when you read Neko Shiro.
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>>134055490
He also saw her naked in Hana. He wasn't impressed because he saw her mom naked in Zoku too.
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I want Ougi to put her sleeves close to my erect dick.
Then, I want her sleeves to slowly descend over my erect manhood so that I can feel her soft, pale hand stroke my dick as I ejaculate all over the insides of her sleeves.
I don't want to see her hands though.
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>>134055469

I've been trying for 6 years. Send me an email if you figure out how.
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>>134055888
If he figures out how then you'll have already lost your chance at marrying Cat.
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>>134055946

oh shit!
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>>134055547
>Plus the anime kind of skipped over the part in White where Hanekawa says she had several "friends" who she confided in, but who shunned her when they found out the perfect class rep had the shittiest family in the class
Why would they do that?
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>>134056205
It's not like they can adapt everything. That said, some of the adaptation decisions in Neko Shiro were suspect.
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>>134056356
Should have clarified. Why would her "friends" reject her for that? That's really fucking low.
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>>134056420
If a person has a stick up their ass and a fuckton of baggage, most people don't want to deal with that.
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>>134056420
She said she lost friends by telling one about how she slept in the hall, another by talking about how her family doesn't share kitchen stuff, etc., without realizing how weird that stuff is. Kids aren't going to know how or want to deal with that kind of brokenness.
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>>134055726
thanks spooky anon
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>>134056420
It's because of the huge disconnect between how awfully she was treated and how much she seemed to think it was normal. They probably had a lot of respect for her as a role model, so it would be pretty jarring to see that her view of reality is so fucked up. Araragi almost has a similar reaction in Neko Kuro as well.
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>>134057410
Is that a japanese thing? to ignore that shit? why weren't the teachers informed of this?
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>>134057524
That shit happens every day in America and in every other country across the globe.
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>>134057606
it happens when nobody in the inner circle of the person affected is aware. in cat's case a bunch of her friends knew and she was the star student of her class.
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Look. I don't really like Crab. But if she did even 1/4th of the things Araragi does with the opposite sex she would RIGHTLY be called the biggest slut in the history of anime and manga.
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>>134044063
cat is prettier
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I forgot cat's story
Wasn't she just mad because she couldn't get Araragi
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>>134058072
That's another vote for Sodachi having worse.
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>>134058097
No, it was, uh...something, something stress. Something, something, feelings and getting dick?
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>>134058127
no doubt about it, Sodachi had it worse
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>>134058072
Sodachi is cuter
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>>134058097
That was what had tipped her, Araragi constantly asked for advice about his relationship with crab from hanekawa
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>>134058139
Still better than "Muh rape attempt" and "Muh mommy issues"
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Sodachi was a useless character. She was just an excuse to add scene time for Cat and to bring Ougi in on the harem. Araragi's trauma was ridiculous, the puzzle was so retarded it could only have worked as as ironic self-mockery. As a character, even as a temporary supporting character, Sodachi was useless. She would have been funny if the story gave any hint that you weren't supposed to take anything about her completely seriously.

Anyway, good riddance. Araragi's harem is a comfortable size it doesn't need bloat.
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so we all agree Kanbaru is best out of Crab and cat
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>>134058386
>temporary supporting character
I have some bad news for you.
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>>134058502
No. Fuck you do. She's all better now. She's going to another school to be an autistic bitch somewhere else.
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>>134058571
She is rrrg's adopted sister in zokuowari.
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>>134058386
>the puzzle was so retarded it could only have worked as as ironic self-mockery.
What puzzle are you referring to?
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>>134058600
And the heroine of the longest story in Orakamonogatari.
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>>134058571
And you'll be mad when her being an autistic bitch somewhere else also takes time from your precious harem.
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>>134058600
Really? nice, hopefully she's a brocon and fucks arraragi
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>>134058670
You are right.
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>>134058386
>She would have been funny if the story gave any hint that you weren't supposed to take anything about her completely seriously.
Are you serious? It's crystal clear that she's literally crazy.
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>>134058386
>Araragi's harem is a comfortable size it doesn't need bloat.

In any other circumstances, I'd agree. But the central premise of the show relies on people having problems and it can't just constantly repeat the same problems with the same characters. They develop and they transition to new roles, or sometimes fade into the background. It's sad when the characters you like don't get as much screentime, but I like that things actually change. What would Monogatari be if every character stagnated as they were in Bake?
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Oh my, episode 8 sure was something.
Why nisio is such a god? Why every girl is such a best girl?
Fuck the fact that there are STILL no translations for mahou shoujo risuka and zaregoto past the 5th volume, this shit totally sucks.
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>>134058857
Nisio is really good at making best girls.
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>>134058043
But Araragi is the biggest slut in the history of anime and manga.
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>>134059198
No worries, it's okay because they're all cute girls
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>>134058043
I don't think anyone's arguing with you.
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>>134058043
>she would RIGHTLY be called the biggest slut in the history of anime and manga.
You forgot Panty from PSG exists.
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>>134059198
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>>134058386
>Araragi's harem is a comfortable size it doesn't need bloat.
Araragi's current "harem" consists of just Crab and Bat.
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Why is there no homo/trap in this series?
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>>134060894
Who says there isn't?
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>>134058435
yes
But all are good
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>>134055281
Their situation is not their fault. Their reaction to it is.
You can't control everything, but you can control how you react to it.
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>>134055211
>she had basically no chance at being happy if she didn't even want it

Yes that is the point.
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>>134061028
Ougi isn't homo, though.
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>>134060894
Because Nisio is not homo.
The closest thing would be Zaregoto's MC crossdressing during the whole of the third book, although not really willingly.
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>>134061592
I heard that Araragi also crossdresses too in Owari 3
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>>134061871
And there is plenty of crossdressing in his other novels.

The second sekai novel has a trap and reverse trap detective.
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>>134060894
Episode strikes me as a gay person.
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>>134058571
>She's all better now
There is still a long way for that, Araragi just found something to partially pay her back for all she did for him besides allowing her to make him her despised villain.

Did the LN also left the impression that she was fine and was able to achieve happiness with a "new start"? Or was it intentional because of Araragi's wishful thinking?
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>Download music collection torrent
>Make a playlist of the OSTs
>Shuffles to Parting Gift
God damn, Hachikuji isn't even my favorite but I cry to that scene every single time, and now I'm finding out I start to tear up just listening to the song.
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What was that thing at the end of the last episode? Are there two kanbarus?
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>>134044063
I would deeply penetrate Hanekawa and never pull out until death do us apart.
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CAT STRONK
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>>134060894
If you did that she'd never get to be on screen again.

I'm in favor.
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>>134063141
I fucking wish.
The second is just a pale imitation.
And not the good, perfect kind.
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>>134060894
There is one.
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>>134063609
why does kanbaru has crab's face in that pic?
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>>134063733
She doesn't? Ears could be a tad bigger though.
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>>134063609
>>134063733
>>134063782

Looks like an edit of this pic.
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>>134064042
Those eyes look more like Kanbaru than Hitagi.
Are you sure the crab one is the original?
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>>134064115
It's from Crab's heroine book.
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Reminder that Araragi's parents are pedophiles who molested a bunch of kids including their own.
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>>134065384
>yfw Dadaragi discovered Tsukihi's regeneration because of her regrowing hymen.
>This is why she immediately pulls a knife whenever she catches Araragi doing something lewd with another girl in the house but is completely submissive when he forces her.
Canon.
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>>134062351
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>>134065384
>Arararagi takes after his parents
It all makes sense
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>>134050053
>Math's and Cat's problems were both self inflicted
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>>134044517
I would go the rapist with math. If you know what I mean.
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>>134058502

This girl proves Shaft can do no wrong to my dick.

At least, until she cuts her hair
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>>134071171
>implying
She'd be a legit 10/10 with short hair.
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>>134068141
Is Karen the only normal one in the family?
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Oikura is so broken that she turned to mathematics.
I can't even imagine what would need to happen for someone to break this hard.
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>>134073657
She probably was into math since she was very yong, and she arguably became very broken when she realized there were people with happy families later.
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>>134071255
You mean with her hair down. But short hair is already used, so I expect them to have another hair for developed broken Sodachi.
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How long until new episode lads?
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>>134075768
Hair down a.k.a long straight hair is the last thing I'd want, it's fucking shit.

The one in your pic is perfection.
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>>134076588
1 hour. I don't know if someone will make a new thread or use one of those two.
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>>134076671
That other thread is full of shitposting.
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>>134076670
There are too much short haired girls already, I want Sodachi to have something special. And twintailed girls always look the best with they let the hair down.
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>>134076696
Christ it's fucking awful.
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>>134076768
I want Sodachi to stick with twin tails, she's cute
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>>134076696
I would say it's par for the course but it's worse than usual.

I say we use this thread.
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>>134076768
Then make it something that is not long straight hair. Huge single braid would work wonders on her.
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>>134076818
You know that's not how it works with Nisio. Her twintails are a symbol of her being stuck in the past without being able to grow up (especially 'sodachi' which means 'growth'). When she finally moves on she will have to change into an adult appearance.
>>134076834
I don't know that one either. It could just be a normal hair, neither long nor short.
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>>134054991
>Why don't unhappy people just decide to be happy instead?
That's not how it works.
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>>134076984
Yes it is, nobody can force you to be happy.
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>>134076984
That is how it works in Monogatari thread. People seem to take the "only you can save yourself" shit way too seriously.
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>>134077014
They can very easily force you to be unhappy though.
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>>134077047
No they can't. If only you can make yourself happy only you can make yourself unhappy.

People don't have to be happy all the time. But if you're always unhappy that's also a problem. But in the end you control that.
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>>134077014
That includes yourself, practically speaking.
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>>134077134
People can't be happy being beaten up every day and deprived from their basic needs. Sure they might condition themselves to believe their life is happy, like Sodachi did rationalizing that what she was suffering is normal and she might be even lucky since there are people in even worse situation, but few would consider that happiness.
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>>134077250
Just because life is hard does not mean you can't be happy. Something like finding out how other people live much better than you makes it harder though which is what Sodachi found out.
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>>134077134
Go tell that to someone in a concentration camp mate.
Much like physical pain denying emotional pain won't simply make it go away.
Just because there are people who are less sensitve doesn't mean you can simply change your own sensitivity and what you feel.
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>>134077043
>People seem to take the "only you can save yourself" shit way too seriously.
That is how the buddhist way of thinking works.
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>>134077313
You think people can't be happy in a concentration camp?
People can be happy anywhere.
I don't think you understand what being happy is.
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>>134077313
Weren't nazis happy at the concentration camps?
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>>134077353
Some people could be somewhat happy in a concentration camp if they are very lucky but that doesn't mean everyone can simply choose to. No healthy could be as happy inside a concentration camp as they could be outside of it though.
Seriously saying happiness doesn't depend on the circumstances and personal characteristics you can't choose is plain retarded.
When it comes down to it happiness is an indicator of a good and healthy life and a happiness that doesn't have anything to do with the way your life is would be worthless anyway.
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>>134077663
Happiness is literally a state of mind.
If you don't have control over your own nobody else will.
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>>134077807
You don't have full control of your brain though, the conscious state is just a small part of it. Even if full rewiring is actually possible through deep meditation as some monks believe, you can't expect some abused kids to achieve enlightenment by themselves to escape from their situation solely through spiritualism and without many years of practice.
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>>134077807
>Happiness is literally a state of mind
It's also a physical reaction. What makes you think your mind is immune to influences from outside anyway?
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>>134061871
Zokuowari.
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>>134077807
I just read this post and now I am happy at all times forever. Thanks, anon, you really fixed things up for me, there.
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new episode is about to air
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>>134078159
I never said you should be happy all the time or that it would be a good thing to do so.
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The NEET is dead.

What now?
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>>134078241
Don't ruin this for me.
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>>134078303
douyu
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>>134078441
is she on her period
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fancy bridge
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Shaft going full CG
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>>134078411
What's the douyu link, I've only ever used neet's
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>>134078586
Why is she acting like a JK slut?
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>>134044063
Spoopy Oogy
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>>134078609
archive is your friend.
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>meme no imouto

>>134078609
douyutv/meizhi
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>>134078654
Thanks friend, archive died a while ago didn't it?
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>>134078687
Is that a butt?
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Math for sure

Hanekawa's 'parents' hate her, but at least they're not missing/dead
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>>134078821
Her drunk father will come back later for round 2
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>>134078654
>>134078746
I hope Shaft fixes her eyebrows.
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>>134078871
Yeah, if we're going to take into consideration the later chapters too, there's absolutely no argument. Math has it worse.
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Araragi is so fucked.
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>>134078746
Why is she so cute?
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>literally 20 minutes of Gaen monologuing
I'm ok with this
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So this episode is the mythological explanation for why the first servant came back. Need subs.
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>>134078871
>Her drunk father will come back later for round 2
And incidentally recall how much she grew up and how much she reminds him of her mother?
You know how it goes.
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This should be an easy answer. Sodachi had it worse of course. All Hanekawa had to do was fucking as her parents for a room, that's it, she got given her own room because she asked for it. Sodachi had to experience both physical and mental abuse while Hanekawa only had that one incident. Hanekawa being keked by Senjogahara did a lot more damage to her than living with her parents.
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>>134079103
And with all this stress Sodachi finally gets an oddity that ends up saving her from her father, then Araragi saves her from it and she becomes dere for him.
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>>134078688
Was Shinobu always that big?
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where's the new ep?
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>umaru ED card
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Hanekawa's family problems is due to her own stupidity. She's portrayed as someone who is knowledgeable but she doesn't even know how to behave like a "normal" child. She's a two-faced bitch, always showing Araragi her fake side so why can't she do the same to her own parents?
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>>134079302
Looks a bit off. I know Araragi is a manlet but he still towers over Shinobu by quite a bit
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>>134079543
Shinobu has a lot of different forms. When she was still under Oshino's care she was a lot smaller. Dont forget even teen Shinobu is already taller than Araragi.
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>>134079329
>Umaru
I don't see it.
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>>134079710
They really look like the chibi versions in umaru-chan.
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>>134079908
no, you're an ass
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>>134079966
It's the same artist, you autismus.
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New Kizu PV when?
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>>134080393
Only 5+ months until it gets released on BD, friend.

Can't you just wait until it comes out?
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>>134080393
a week before it's released in japan
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>>134080450
I can't.

They need to do some hype building as well. Movie is supposed to screen in like one month.
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>>134080509
I don't know if they can still hype something after so many delays and being only part 1 of 3 in the end.
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>>134079966
>Drawn by the same artist in the same style
>No it's not!
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>>134080603
I'm sorry for your limited reading comprehension, let me help you out with some meme text.

>They really look like the chibi versions in umaru-chan.
>No, they don't.
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>>134078748
Only archive.moe, there is a replacement:
http://desustorage.org/
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>>134079710
https://twitter.com/sankakuhead/status/670625591230636032
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>>134080659
but they are, autist-kun
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>>134080659
>Eyes
>Head
>Body to head proportions
>Other people seeing it
If you can't see it then it's clearly you having a problem.
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>>134080748
>>134080764
no, you're fags
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I want to do things with monkey.
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>>134080780
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>>134080796
Was it necessary a warning not to eat this giant banana?
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>>134080843
I think it's a warning not to feed her.
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>>134079329
Thank you Ebina cat
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Horriblesubs is out.
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>tfw no gaen doujins
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Smug already
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Is she really Meme's sister?
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>>134081820
Of course not. She's lying so that Kanbaru won't find out that she's her aunt.
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>>134081820
But is she Ougi Oshino mother then?
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>>134079710
>not knowing Himouto Umaru-chan S
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>>134080780
How can one person be this autistic?
>inb4 I was only pretending you guise
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>>134082310
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>>134082310
you're a poophead
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>>134081820
What kind of music does Gaen listen too?
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>>134081820
>>134081957
No, her real name's Gaen and she's actually Kanbarus Aunt but for some reason she didn't want her to know. It also seems that Araragi doesn't know they're related despite knowing the fact that Kanbarus real name used to be Gaen (or does he even know about that yet?)
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>>134082424
he knows they are related.
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>>134082424
What? Of cource he knows it
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>>134082424
He knows. He mentions it when Kaiki is outside her house.
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This episode was great.
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>>134082424
Gaen told Araragi she was Kanbaru's aunt back in Oni.
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>making doll carry a child-friendly cellphone
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>>134082424
Suruga's name was never Gaen. Tooe became Tooe Kanbaru when she married. Suruga was asked by Oshino for her mother's maiden name in Suruga Monkey.
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>>134082586
explain plz, because the fight was awkward as fuck and this much of gaen speaking was so annoying
>>
onii-chan geemu
>>
what the fuck exactly happened at the very end of the episode with the child exactly?
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>Araragi trying to replicate the first minion's laugh.

And she will never wear underwear.
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>>134064042
Selfcest is wrong.
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>>134082407
memerap
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>>134083106
I assumed it was just a visual metaphor for the first servant fully reviving in the material world.
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This was unexpectedly funny
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>>134083106
>baby
>15 years ago
Karen?
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>>134083299
Fucks sake, is pressing F5 too difficult for you?
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>>134082424
Why does she keep her identity hidden from Monkey?
Too shameful to act like an aunt as she should at her age?
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>>134082374
引きこもり!オイラーさん!
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>>134083330
I'm dumb, didn't know about that.
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>>134082879
>>134083106
Are you faggots retarded? What is there to explain? The first minion didn't really die and his ashes travelled to the town where araragi lives. this attracted more oddities including kiss-shot herself.
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>>134078586
>>134078654

Why does she dress like she's from 1991?
>>
How old is Gaen anyways? I want to fuck her while she wears her loose, baggy clothing.
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>>134083299
Snake looks too big
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>>134083363
that wasn't 15 years ago though
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>not waiting for commie
Fucking stop.
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>>134083377
She's still partying like it's 1991.
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>>134083462
>waiting for memesubs
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>>134083363
>reading comprehension
I was asking in >>134082879 how the hell did he find this episode amusing, not the plot of the first servant
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>>134083399
about 35
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>>134083352
You can set the default filetype it saves as too by doing Alt-I, but if you select .jpg then increase the quality to 95 because otherwise you get really shit screenshots.
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>>134083408
That's because he probably didn't get strong enough until recently
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>>134083408
It took years for him to gradually grow stronger. During that time, oddities were a bit more likely in the town (so might have been a factor in stuff like Mayoi becoming a ghost or Tsukihi being born). Shinobu visiting the shrine was the final trigger for him physically reincarnating.
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>>134083504
>complaining about people speaking too much
>in monogatari
How old is this b8 now?
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>>134083566
Yeah, sure, because this monologue was just as entertaining as one of Snail's or Kaiki's
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>>134083689
>I don't like it therefore it's bad
Nice, Snail a shit btw.
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>>134083728
you really are delusional, aren't you?
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>>134083462
Commie has been pretty hit and miss lately
>>
Yeah this episode was not as good as the first 2.
Too much exposition, not enough monkey.
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>>134083504
Because of the plot regarding the first servant. You answered yourself faggot.
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>>134058386
>bring Ougi in on the harem

kek, ougi was first to fug him.
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>>134084037
It's hilarious when even with his much exposition there are people that still don't get it.
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>>134084372
I don't think anyone didn't get it.
I mean I hope so.
It just wasn't as fun of an episode like the last 2.
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>>134051225
Holy shit yes, finally someone who understands. Black Hanekawa is infinitely better if only because her eyes aren't droopy.
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>>134084693
do you like slutty eyes?
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>>134084832
That is a dumb question. Slutty eyes are best eyes. That would be like finding a person that doesn't like boobs at all.
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Why did Gaen lie about being Meme's sister? Why didn't she reveal herself as kanbaru's aunt after being introduced by Araragi? Isn't that what she wanted?
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>>134084880
Dangerous sexy eyes are the best eyes.
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>>134085012
I thought she specifically didn't want to be introduced as her aunt.
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>>134085012
If she was going to present herself to Kanbaru as a relative, she wouldn't need Araragi to introduce her.
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>>134080667
>>134078654
Stop spoonfeeding retards, please.

You are ruining the board.
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>>134080659
Yeah, except for them looking like the chibi versions, I totally agree with you.

Are you an idiot, anon?
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>>134082879
Stop typing like a 12-year-old, faggot.
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>>134051225
They're gentle and matronly.
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>>134083566
There is a difference between a good monolog/dialog and a bad one.

Even if you aren't capable of telling the difference.

>>134083728
No, retard-kun. It's the other way around.
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>>134085073
Gaen strikes me as a bitter woman who wouldn't even introduce herself to her own niece. Did Tooe steal her boyfriend or something?
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>>134083462
>>134083975
They lost the translator that usually did their Monogatari stuff, I think and the replacement is not good enough to justify the liberties commie likes to take in their translations.
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>>134085038
That's at least 5 frames.
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>>134085524
I want Hanekawa to stroke my hair and tell me that everything will be okay.
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>>134085851
That will not help anon, instead you should help yourself.
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>>134085921
I tried stroking my hair myself but it felt unsatisfactory.
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>>134085516
You first.
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>>134085851
>sit down right here anon
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>>134084037
I'd take exposition and Gaen over recap episodes like we had in SS. Fuck that shit.
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>>134086778
I guess yeah? I mean it's not like they can skip this stuff.
I just liked the other stuff better.
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>tfw you watch monogatari just to see girls act lovely to Araragi
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>>134083462
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>>134086844
>I mean it's not like they can skip this stuff.
Shaft could have reduced the monologue easily and instead added more filler to the fight at the beginning just like they did with the Araragi/Karen fight in Nise.
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>>134083462
>2015
>Commie
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>>134087065
is it me or they are both pure shit? Commie for taking liberties, CR for too literal translation.
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>>134084372
The more exposition there is in a show the more likely the viewer is going to become disengaged and tune it out. It's actually pretty predictable for that to happen.
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>>134087389
>literal translating is bad
>liberal translating is bad

You just want it subbed in moon don't you, you fucking autist.
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>>134087389
No, you're right. Like many shows unfortunately you just have to pick your poison. I choose the one that's quicker.
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>>134087464
middle ground would be rather nice
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>>134087389
personally I like to see Nisio's puns that in commie are completely lost
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>>134087494
So then you don't dislike that commie took liberties with the translation but how they did it.
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>>134087065
Translator's notes are infinitely better than dumb made up crap from Commie
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>anyone defending CR's horrible shitshow called Monogatari subs

Jesus, /a/.
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>>134087564
you are right, I think. Still seeing CR-style translation but not as stiff would be nice.
In my opinion it's impossible to preserve nippon worldplay so somebody really creative should replace it right. (Kinda like with translating Alice in Wonderland to the other language). Yes, I know it's impossible.
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>>134087398
That applies to 3DPD shows. Anime as a medium is filled with expository dialogue.
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>>134087065
>>134087494
>>134087564
I may just lack context but maybe this scene is just a really bad pun.
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>>134087600
>have a joke explained to you
>good in any way

What is the fucking point then?
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>>134087564
Sometimes things can not and should not be translated. It doesn't have to be some made up false dichotomy of purely liberal or purely literal.
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>>134087708
Yes and it happens in monogatari just as much as anywhere else
And this was the episode it happened in
And the episode is not so good because of it

But there is always next week.
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>>134087708
My bad I didn't know anime was somehow except from human psychology.
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>>134087743
To have as close of an experience to what the author originally intended, as translations are supposed to do in every form for media. They are not supposed to interfere and add their own jokes. That's just retarded.
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>>134087841
Having jokes that work in the language of the audience is closer to the experience the author intended than having notes to explain jokes.
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>>134087838
2d is superhuman
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>>134078654
>>134081820
This liar must be punished.
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>>134087841
Whenever there is a joke or pun that is competently nonsensical and there is a TL note explaining it it completely ruins the immersion for me and is not funny anyway so I completely disagree with that.

If the joke get replaced with a slightly different one but one that I can understand it's much better.
Sure the original wordplay is gone but I would have never understood it anyway. That's the drawback you have to accept for watching something in a language you can't speak.

But guess what, if you don't think o you can just go watch other subs and not draw out this autism.
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>>134087955
>>134088031
It is indeed good that we have subs other than Commies. I'd rather not watch anything than have some talentless hacks who never accomplished anything in their lives trying to add their shitty "humour" into the work of someone who's actually talented and sucessful.
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>>134087841
The author didn't intend for the joke to be explained, he wanted it to be a natural pun, the translators job would be to come up with word play that would convey the same meaning while keeping the pun alive but that's hard so you either get halfassed examples like Commie or not even trying like CR.
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>>134088110
Okay. Now next time try saying that without being so hostile and confrontational.
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>>134088156
I can't because i'm extremely mad over anime subs
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>>134088110
But a lot of Commie translators go on to be professional translators or in Vale's case working directly in the anime industry, it's just the rest of them that are talentless hacks.
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>>134087065
>Commie
"Kneed in time of need" and "knee chaps" are pretty good. I don't get why the added the bit about patella in there.

>CR
Overly literal but okay. Only problem is that I don't know what festival pages are, so I don't understand the last part.
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>>134087743
>>134087783
>>134087841
>>134087955
>>134088230
This is the type of shit that makes people call monogatari "pretentious" all the time and I fucking love it.
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>>134088289
Sub discussion isn't event related to monogatari. That's just /a/ arguing about >commie as usual.
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>>134087838
Nobody is saying it isn't. Expository dialogue is so prominent in the industry because it's cheaper. That's basically it.
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>>134088332
But nobody but monogatarifags even care about commie
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>>134088289
But it has nothing to do with monogatari. It's just the never-ending literal vs liberal argument.
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>>134088378
Stop making sweeping statements when you clearly haven't even been here for a week.
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>>134088402
So for what other show are they preferred?
Because people only use them as joke subs except for monogatari
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>>134088378
(not true by the way)
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>>134088344
That comment was clearly implying that because it's common it isn't a problem and that only live action shows can suffer from over-exposition.
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>>134088448
Every show that gets subbed by two or more sources gets argued over. Especially any show that commie does.
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IT'S FUCKING IDUKI ALL OVER AGAIN
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>>134088448
Anything Shaft, Haikyuu's first season, Teekyuu, Symphogeah if you care about Karaoke, plenty of others but can't be bothered to look through everything they've subbed.
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>>134088633
But no other show gets argued that commie's translations are the preferred choice.
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>Kizu NEVER
why even live
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>>134088703
You are literally in the thread that was made to discuss the latest episode which only Crunchyroll has released. Do you not see all the people posting pictures with [HorribleSubs]? Only commiedevs are trying to peddle their cartel goods in this thread.
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pls bite my dick
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>>134083115
>you'll never stick your tongue in that butt
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>>134088703
Prior to this season Monogatari was done by Daisuki and their releases were total trash so Commie was the best by default. This season it's being done by CR but the script is still by Aniplex so Commie is still worthwhile if you're willing to wait but you're not doing yourself a disservice going with the rip.
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>>134088808
Are you retarded?
That's my point. No other threads go on about how good commie is.
It's unique to monogatari.
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>>134088821
Mayoi sexier loli.

t. loli master
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>>134088927
>No other threads have commie shills in them
Lurk indefinitely.
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>>134088448
yahari
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>>134087065
I prefer Commie's aside from patella out of nowhere. It gets the gist of the scene across, without taking you out of the moment with shitty translation notes.
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>>134089297
That image is missing the next line, where Commie used "patella" to make a pun with "paella."
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>>134089334
That makes more sense. I usually watch HorribleSubs because it's first.
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>>134089060
Mayoi is perfect, but not really loli. Shes got tits and everything. More like young teen.
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>>134088344
>Nobody is saying it isn't.

Your reading comprehension needs some work.
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>>134088289
>every day, every single fucking day this loli makes this stupid fucking face at me.
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>>134089402
horrible subs have been the best for owari
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>>134088744
Kizu already has a date.
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>>134089503
She's a loli and she knows it.
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>>134087312
which episode is that?
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>>134090555
Looks like the nadeko medusa arc.
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>>134087312
Nadeko does things to my lower body
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>>134090807
Gross anon, are you some kind of pedophile?
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>>134090555
found it, second episode of the arc.
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>>134090951
Actually, the second one has a more "old anime" feeling to it.
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>>134091036
I think that's the point m8
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>>134089535
Would you rather she made this face?
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>>134091739
I want to hug Shinobu and tell her its fine and I love her while patting her head firmly.
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>>134087600
Yeah. I also prefer them. Rather have it a bit awkward than completely made up.
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>>134091739
I would rather this face.
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>>134088448
>So for what other show are they preferred?

How about Monogatari S2? How about lurk more?
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>>134091876
>which shows other than monogatari
>how about monogatari

wow just going full retard huh?
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>>134092126
I hope Shinobu will stay relevant for the rest of the arc.
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>>134092206
I hope they give monkey back all the screentime.
She was the best part of this arc so far.
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>>134092377
1/3 Bat 1/3 Monkey 1/3 plot is a good compromise for me.
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>>134092419
Yeah as long as the bat is spent bantering and not monologuing.
Also I want some batXmonkey but monkey seems really wary of her.

Also probably freaked out a bit when she ate that oddity.
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>>134092501
She doesn't seem very intent on monologues this season so far anyway.
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>>134083106
Araragi is 18. 15 years ago he was 3 years old.
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>>134092588
I hope so, Nisio loves to use her to explain everything though.
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>>134092501
>Also I want some batXmonkey

Get some tissues, faggot. Owari has got you covered, son.
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>>134092501
Honestly I want more interaction between characters that really never had any before.

Some of the Hitagi and Fire sisters side stories would be golden, or really more Shinobu and anyone else.
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>>134092854
Considering off-season is moving away from Araragi, it will probably include much more interaction between the other characters.
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>it's a Gaen episode
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>>134093061
>It's a Gaen episode
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>>134093061
>it's a Gaen episode
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Can someone do a webm of Shinobu inviting Araragi over to the swing?
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>>134090951
Anon, you need to uninstall whatever program you used to make this.
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>>134078688
Why is Shinobu such a sexy little bitch?

that dress
those heels
that hair

jesus christ
I can't
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>>134078797
shinobutt
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>>134094075
Adult Shinobu is way better.
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>>134093540
Which part exactly?
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>>134094156
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>>134091863
That looks like she's getting drilled.
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>>134094484
is there a problem?
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>>134094418
What?
The entire appeal is that she's a little girl with sexy clothes, heels and vampire loli smugness

Kiss-shot just looks like yet another tittymonster
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>>134095117
I'd like to see a chart comparing the intricacies of Shinobutt compared to average butt
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>>134095415
her lolibutt is mediocre compared to Kanbaru's.
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>>134095778
Nigga what. Shinobu is a butt goddess. Being the fact it is a loli butt goddess means she is on a higher tier.
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>>134095778
I said average butt, not tomboy goddess butt
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Why is doll so underrated?
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>>134096582
Because of strong competition.
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>>134095889
Tomboybutt > all other butt

this is a fact, you can't dispute it.
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>>134097637
Adult Shinobu is better. She's literally perfect. femlets like Kanbaru can't compare.
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>>134097637
This fairy butt isn't as special but I'll take it. Unfortunately there was no shot of it's current state.
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>>134073456
no
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>>134098634
How can she sit like that? It gives me the creeps
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>arararagi is shinobu's first minion reincarnated.
then who is samurai
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