Yawn, Wake me up when Luffy Gear 4th's the Shit outta him. heck he'll probably only need Gear 3.
So Nami blew the gas away and Chopper nursed the minks to health?
When a charcter seems so powerful nearly invincible, then one of the SH would come out as their natural enemy, and will have a natural advantage or the high ground in the fight.
Perona - Usopp
Enel - Luffy
So maybe Jack will be scared AF of Chopper because he thinks he is a giant mouse or some shit like that.
They say that because Wanda said they had the upper hand, which makes sense because they're used to fighting in the forest. But they still lost and got tortured.
I noticed that when the minks attacked the Pleasures, they were still smiling even after they were hit
3 Calamities kinda sounds like the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, especially with this drought stuff.
I wonder if X Drake is one of them and who the other one is.
Maybe we'll get another cool Ancient Zoan.
Sabretooth tiger anyone?
Ahahhahah, Zoro's just like "I knew this shit would happen from day fucking one".
Man, I love this guy.
This might sound weird but I can see Sanji and Absalom teaming up against a calamity. No idea why but I just have a feeling.
Bobbin on the other hand casually destroyed a country for Big Mom.
Kaidou confirmed weakest Yonkou crew.
For Luffy to call someone strong means he considers them on his own level, or, historically, stronger than himself (Rayleigh). So someone as strong or stronger than Luffy already lost to Jack.
To be fair, Luffy does lose a lot. He got instantly chucked into water due to his own stupidity and would have drowned. Crocodile, Lucci, Sabaody, Impel Down, Marineford. Even against Caesar.
How strong are the Minks compared to other armies of mooks in One Piece? Even the kids have electricity + martial arts.
Here's what I think
Kamabakka Okama masters > Sugar's immortal headcracker army > General Zombies = Gifters > Minks > Amazon Lily's Haki villagers > regular Zombies > Hody's fishman forces > Pleasures > regular armies of marines/pirates
Not really. Doffy would never put his social place and the safety of his family in the line if he isn't confident that he can at least pretty badly hurt Fujitora and incapacitate him. His meteorites were nothing to him while Law shat his pants.
Nope. Sabo won against Burgess (a retard) and his new with his flame power. He didn't want to push his luck and go all out against Fujitora because he didn't want to risk heavy injuries. Luffy knows his power perfectly and was a better match against Doffy.
Ah ah, very good joke.
Yes, because speed is clearly very useful against Doffy. Are you completely nuts? Even Robin said 'Fuck you' to Hakuba and Doffy is miles beyond Robin in terms of 'Fuck you, stay right here.'
In his prime, maybe. Now, Doffy is just too much agile and proficient with his power for him to strike hard.
Look man, if Oda gave a fuck about this guy he would have put more effort into hyping this dude up.
Just compare Jack's treatment to Weeble. You can tell who Oda gives more fucks about.
I don't think the duke is going to be an ungrateful prick like that. Apparently it's not just the Sanji crew that he's thanking so it's most likely something to do with Luffy kicking Caesar's ass or taking down Kaido's supplier.
We have no idea whether any of the characters you listed could have defeated Doflamingo, except:
Hakuba - Lost to Robin
Burgess - good one mate
Chinjao - Defeated without gear 4
who certainly could not.
Enel losing to Luffy was raw plot armour, nothing more. Considering Enel can basically see what Luffy is going to do before Luffy does it, he should've known that he was going to throw the golden ball at him stupidly fast and been able to just zap somewhere else.
I thought the same thing, but I have a head canon for that, though it's kinda ridiculous:
When luffy was about to punch him, enel decided to dematerialize once the ball came close, but as soon as it touched the electricity, he discharged due to gold being an extremely good conductor, and his real body became vulnerable
You're right, that was fucking retarded considering Enel had shown himself to be able to straight up move through an amount of gold that the ball was only a fraction of with no problems.
The reason was that the punch was too fast, right ? No matter what kind of god you are, what kind of insane CoO you have, what kind of speedy Logia you have, if your reactions are shit, it all means fuck all. Enel simply couldn't react in time. He saw the fist, barely finished a thought, got smashed.
i think at that point enel was so confused/angry and in an exctasy kind of state that he wasnt even using his CoO anymore
Hakuba wouldn't even be able to cut Doflamingo through his string though, I agree that the matchup is important and there's no way Hakuba would beat Doflamingo other than act of god.
You don't need to react to anything when you can see what someone is going to do seconds before they do it. Even if he couldn't sense Luffy's intention to throw the ball insanely fast, he'd see the ball itself building up more and more speed before it's actually built the speed up. Like damn son nigger you can't surprise a guy who can see into the future through a person's intent like that.
Oh, of course, there's no doubt about that. I wasn't the guy who said that. Hell, Cavendish was stunned at seeing Gear 4. Pretty sure he would just sleepwalk right into Doffy's strings.
Except he has to consciously use Haki to know the future. Enel was cocky as fuck at that point and wanted to end it by stabbing Luffy. It was only after he saw the anus ripper 9000 that he realised he fucked up.
I can't even tell if this is bait or plain stupidity these days.
It still seems like a huge stretch that this even worked. Putting aside the ridiculous weight of the ball and the impossible waver ride, all Enel had to do was take a step to the side and watch Luffy fall. End of the fight, Enel wins. Then again that means Luffy may have wrecked his ship.
It's still the most desperate attack we've seen in One Piece so far.
While I completely disagree that he jobbed to Kizaru, the latter was shown to attack Whitebeard multiple times, not just 'when wb had a seizure'. Don't be silly.
>a huge stretch
Also, seriously ? Anon, you can't bring logic into stuff like this. You just can't. Shit, Luffy could have been killed by Buggy in like chapter 8 if we brought logic into it. Enel simply was a cocky guy who thought he could deal with it. Clearly, he was wrong. That's all there is to it. Don't think about it too much, bro.
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Yea I can see it happening. With some difficulty.
Maybe. Depends on how serious Issho was in his fight against him.
Jobbed like a bitch throughout the chapter.
Sadly he didn't have a strong showing at all, which is sad I like the dude. Wish he had better post timeskip design though.
Very low probability, he was stopped by Robin. He'll need more showings.
At his prime totally, Garp at his prime had to train for his ass. But not as we saw him, Luffy didn't need to pull out Gear 4th for him.
it was a misunderstanding, I thought you were meaning to carry on the already-discussed point of 'kizaru is a coward and only attacks wb when he's weakened and is having a seizure'. I agree with you about that, he only managed to land a hit with that sneaky attack
he shot a similar AOE to what he used against Law's submarine from a great distance in that page.
He never approaches whitebeard to attack him unless Whitebeard is having a seizure/was just massively wounded/both, and then immediately runs. You might not like this fact but it is one.
Sabo who learned to control his fruit properly would certainly be a match for Doffy, and even in his current state, he probably could have managed. I think it makes sense that the power hierarchy between the three brothers would be maintained over time, so Ace > Sabo > Luffy.
I'd argue it was great until the Timeskip. Thriller Bark was pretty amazing, especially Zoro vs Ryuuma. They did justice to the Kuma scene as well. Sabaody was amazing too. Marineford is where it gets kinda tedious, in my opinion.
Nigga, why the fuck would he ? That's like saying Usopp is shit because he only snipes people, not fight them at melee. Dude is the strongest man in the World, no matter how sick he is.
I hope Chopper gets a qt mink gf. I hope Robin gets jealous.
let it be. We've already had this discussion and it got stupid incredibly fast. To sum it up, a ranged attack does not qualify as an attack and because he didn't get close he's a coward.
Yeah, I know.
I want to be married to a strong mink woman
good, this is what you wanted
What's the most broken DF combo you can think of?
>Sugar + Absalom
they just keep coming
Nikyu Nikyu + Ito Ito
Birdcage and then you repel people and throw them against it. Easy.
AND YOUR ADMIRAL LEVEL
AND IF HE WAS NOWHERE NEAR CLOSE THE STRENGHT OF KUZAN LIKE HELL HE WOULD'VE LOST TO BLACKBEARD
Fucking Oda is teasing the fuck out of us with Sanji and nobody even asked where Caesar is so far. Dammit I am getting impatient
Fire is normally pretty good against ice. For the same reason that Ace lost to Sakazuki, he may have been doing well against Kuzan. It's difficult to say how strong Ace really was since the only real fight he had was against Blackbeard, which he lost. And we will never have a comparison because Blackbeard is now much much more powerful than he was back then.
Doflamingo + Sugar. I think observation haki can sense Absalom.
If Sugar was fighting along side Doflamingo instead of Trebol, it wouldn't even be a fight. Dofla parasites regular Luffy, Sugar crawls out of her hole and touches Luffy while he is dumbfounded and confused about the situation.
Law is occupied by the Cloneflamingo and then gets gangbanged again.
He would defeat Sakazuki, but get maimed. Not as bad as Kuzan who lost his leg though. Blackbeard tried to win favor with Sakazuki by delivering Bonney, that was his real intention.
you are delusional if you think you can pass off your retarded reasoning that consists of 'he draws all the ice and then breaks his neck' and don't provide anything more substantial to prove your claim that he would wreck Kuzan. For how I see it, there's no real way to tell which one of the two would win pre-ts. Post-ts, my bet is on BB.
no it wasn't? He wanted to get a marine ship to travel the NW since his old one was wrecked or something. He never even expected Sakazuki to show up.
This is according to Shanks, it's not fanboying.
Shanks boards Whitebeard's ship just to warn Whitebeard that Blackbeard scarred his face in a legit fight.
You're clearly speedreading.
I think the fight against Blackbeard was a demonstration that power levels aren't linear in this manga like they are in Dragonball. Like, some fighting styles and abilities are better against others. Blackbeard exploited a Logia's overreliance on their fruit. It doesn't mean he was stronger than Ace, or than any Admiral, it doesn't mean he was weaker either, it just means he fought some dude and he won and you can't draw "power level" conclusions from just that. Goddamn.
That was pre darkness BB.
Who Shanks stated hides his power level.
Who Shanks stated wounded his face in fair combat.
I'm sorry you read too quickly.
SO, who will be the other 2 calamities?
you are a fucking retard. We know virtually nothing about when the scar was done, he never says 'oh the other day I met bb and he did me this, be careful'. There's not enough knowledge about it, for all we know it was done during their younghood. Point being, if THAT is your proof that BB could have beaten Shanks pre-ts then you're off to a bad start
also I honestly can't grasp why you people keep putting Shanks into these discussions, we know absolutely nothing about how he fights or about his actual level of strenght. We know he clashed with Mihawk on par before he lost his arm, and we know that he got a scar by BB, but not when. We don't even know remotely enough to state if he could defeat, say, pre-ts Whitebeard and stuff, we can only speculate. Hell, we don't even know if he could defeat Kaidou since it's not clear if they fought or no.
I think he would, but I don't have proof to back it up so I don't come here trying to claim it's the truth
Also Shanks didn't even know Blackbeard had the darkness fruit when he warned Whitebeard about him. He only revealed it to Ace at Banaro, which took place after Shanks warned Whitebeard.
Luffy didn't scar Akainu's face pre timeskip.
But Kuzan, who scarred Akainu's face, did.
Another example is Rayleigh cutting kizaru's face.
You're grasping. Shanks said he wasn't being careless, meaning only someone of similar or high skill could do it. Mihawk couldn't even scar his face.
>He would draw all the X into darkness, pull X, and break X's neck. This is pre quake.
This is literally the only thing BBFags can say. It's retarded.
By that logic you know how Kizaru can beat BB then? He would travel at the speed of light and slice off BB's head with his light sword killing him instantly.
See how easy that was BBFags? There is literally nothing you can do to refute this.
There are some objectively stronger-than-other DFs but it doesn't mean the wielder is automatically weaker. I think OP does a good job with its power levels. Kinda funny how strong the Straw Hats got and they're still not anywhere close to endgame strength.
Thing is, Blackbeard is hyped up to be the biggest threat among the yonkos. So it stands to reason that we still haven't seen him fight seriously. We don't know the full extent of what happened against Ace, we don't know how he scarred Shanks, I think Blackbeard is a lot more capable than his fat coward exterior shows. So BBFags will get what they want, and they will masturbate all over these threads. there's no way around it.
mink tribe martial arts i sbased on charge static electicity throught their fur, then release it.
chopper should learn it, being an honorary mink, as zoro should learn the fire/explosion cutting trick.
PS As anybody came up with a good explanation/theory on how zoro fear-paralyzed and killed monet?
Actually what he "literally" said was that "it's not time for me to face you yet."
Which is a very different statement than "I'm too weak to face you."
Blackbeard is opportunistic and goal oriented. He knows Shanks knows how to get to Raftel, and killing him on Marineford would take away his chance of finding that out.
I too think BB is one hell of a monster and that he's a monstrous opponent, but I don't try to pass out my headcanons as facts just because I like him. Like I don't come here saying that Kizaru would wreck Sakazuki just because I find him more interesting.
>true endgame strength
Luffy might need to figure out a gattling version of king kong punch, or extend the time limit of gear 4, but I don't think he needs much more than that to take on just about anyone.
They're weaker than the "endgame" bosses but stronger than 95%+ of the fodder they'll encounter. I'd say that's close enough to endgame strength. I don't expect Usopp to ever fight an admiral or yonko one-on-one, I don't even expect that of Franky, Sharkman or Sanji.
Nope. I said Kizaru travelled at light speed and sliced off BB's head. BB definitely can't move the speed of light, so Kizaru kills him easily.
I'm just following your own logic, BBFag.
You're forgetting the fact that Shanks was 20 fucking years younger, you dense cunt. Shit, I agree that Teach is strong but there's nothing to suggest that they're growth has been equal. Fuck, Teach himself said that he wasn't ready to fight Shanks, even though he literally just got the quake fruit and was okay with tangoing against Sengoku and Garp.
Shanks directly states that he hides his power level. Akainu had to take Ace seriously when he fought him, and then still decided to target Luffy first.
Blackbeard joked around and intentionally didn't target Ace to give a full demonstration of his ability, casually tried to recruit him, tanked spears through his vital organs, and then did a final "ability vs ability" supernova move exchange to beat Ace. The whole fight was shown all the way to Ace's hat falling to the ground with Ace literally not there.
unfortunately I'll have to agree with you on that. I'd love for them to fight on par with the strongest supernovas and struggle through the NW by fighting opponents on parr with them, but somehow I find it hard to happen. Law looks like the only one powerful enough of his crew, and I can only hope Kidd will deliver on that, but I don't see anyone else quite close to him. Shame on you Oda.
I don't expect Luffy to ever win against any yonko in a 1vs1 actually. Maybe only Blackbeard and because of narrative reasons.
Like Akainu/Shanks/Rayleigh tier.
And that's what we know about. There's also hidden bosses like possibly
Kong, maybe Space Piratesand definitely the Gorousei, plus whatever is inevitably awaiting on Raftel, all things we don't know the strength of.
Bro tip: Loflumingo wasn't true endgame strength either.
kizaru has the worst fruit for blackbeard.
HIs darkness causes him to take hits and take more damage from them.That's not normally a problem because he has insane resistance, he can even tank whitebeards quake punches. But kizaru's punch can simply melt off your face.
You really are stupid.
WB can't attack at the speed of light and uses a regular blade.
The force of getting hit with a light sword at the speed of light would cut his head off easily.
>Look man, if Oda gave a fuck about this guy he would have put more effort into hyping this dude up.
>was said it would be a bad idea to get him involved in Punk Hazard
>went to go get Doflamingo back with zero fucks in regards to who was guarding him
>destroyed Zou and tortured the minkmen
>sunk 2 marine ships with an admiral around and is still alive
Release day posters are so stupid.
I think we're exaggerating Shanks level here.
>Got owned by East Blue critter
this thread is on a whole another level of stupid compared to the usual ones. What's happening?
>would cut his head off easily
I think getting cut by the stated strongest man's bisento which was strong enough to split the sky when he parried Shanks sword would be worse than getting hit by any of Kizaru's attacks period.
But you're delusional and apparently believe Kizaru's ability to cut is greater than Shanks and Whitebeard's, so there's no point discussing with you.
Kizaru isn't even faster than Rayleigh, who cut his face.
Full power when ? 20 fucking years ago ? On Roger's ship ? Are you retarded ? Yes, Teach would have taken WB's position because WB was old and sick. Everyone and their mother knew that. No one is saying Teach is weak, you fucking spastic. Shanks is a smart guy. He's been a Yonko for some time. He knows Teach is strong. He knows Teach has been with WB for 2 decades. He knows if something happened, Teach could easily get WB's territory with his knowledge. Now get Teach's cock out of your damn mouth before you type.
these powerlevel discussions seem more retarded than usual. Maybe I'm just getting old.
>Aokiji was forced to dodge the Bisento with emphasis on the question of if it killed him
>Blackbeard tanked it outright pre skip and was barely damaged.
There's no comparison, Blackbeard is WAY stronger than Kuzan.
I mean akainu. not kizaru, my bad.
the way to fight akainu is avoid is hits or block them with haki. Both things that blackbeard sucks at. Or at least sucked at pre timeskip.
I think pre timeskip the admirals and blackbeard were more or less equally strong, but bb couldn't beat akainu due to the way he fights.
Sorry you have terrible reading comprehension anon. I'll repeat myself. WB can't swing his bisento at the speed of light. You can't compare an old Whitebeard swinging a blade to Kizaru swinging his at the speed of light.
Blackbeard tanked the strongest attacks in the entire world pre skip.
Blackbeard would take massive burn damage from Akainu, which would hurt a lot, but then barely damage him, like all other attacks except poison in the story so far.
Remember the shitposting war that went with this for like a month?
Yeah. It's why I was curious.
How can you claim that Whitebeard's swing is slower than Kizaru's just because of Kizaru's devil fruit even though it's already canon that a non devil fruit user can be as fast or faster than him since it was shown that Rayleigh was?
remember the shitposting about Gear 4th being able to oneshot Doffy at the very beginning of the fight?
>Rayleigh can't move at the speed of light
How did he repeatedly block Kizaru and cut his face then?
Whitebeard's attack strength > Kizaru's attack strength. Shanks would cut Kizaru's head off.
Blackbeard will (and already did once) beat Shanks.
nigger what. Kizaru was readying his kick (putting some pretty heavy emphasis on it too) and shittalking Zoro, and Rayleigh got in between and stopped him from landing the attack. How was he in any conceivable way proven to be faster than the man with the fucking pika pika no mi?
Yea but I still don't know how people could be that retarded. Just replace the words "Haki" with "Your skin" and "My sword" and you literally have the exact same scene. Some cunts just like to complain about nothing.
Why would you be curious if it's just the norm ?
After that, he then had multiple exchanges with Kizaru.
He cut Kizaru's face but Kizaru never once landed a blow on Rayleigh.
He was literally faster than prime Kizaru despite being stated to be out of prime himself.
he can, supposedly, shoot beams at the speed of light (well duh) and he can also move at the speed of light, but while he does he travels so fast he apparently can't control his movements at all.
What joke ? Zoro just looks like he's used to Luffy's shenanigans. It's just another page showing best bro being best bro.
where the fuck did you pull that out from
I was referring to this part
DOUJINS FUCKING WHEN
Blackbeard pulls his opponent to his hand, disables their devil fruit, and then hits them as hard as a yonko. He tanks their initial attacks even if they are on par with Whitebeard and Sengoku's and takes barely damage from them.
Blackbeard pulls his opponent to his hand, disables their devil fruit, and then hits them as hard as a yonko + quake. He tanks their attacks even if they are on par with Whitebeard's and Sengoku's and takes barely damage from them.
Is that easier for you?
Really ? I think we get a reveal first then the fruit name, after, no ? Admittedly, Lucci is the only one I can think off, that fits the scenario since Marco and Sengoku, etc. were in different circumstances.
Yeah terrible excuse, BBFag. So he can kill Whitebeard but not Akainu. He can scar Shanks with no DF but can't fight him with two of the strongest DFs?
All because "waaah he didn't want to"
Funny how whenever BB actually comes up to someone stronger than him BBFags will use that same excuse without fail every time.
Zoro fucking loves Luffy's recklessness. Just look at the shit-eating grin on his face as his captain barges into a conversation with a Yonkou.
Probably why he didn't fight him, he didn't want permanent scars.
Akainu's ability is disabled once he's in melee range of Blackbeard, and melee was Akainu's prefered combat method, only using ranged to sink the Moby Dick.
Blackbeard would have beaten Akainu but possibly at a heavy cost, so being true to his character he avoided the fight.
If you disable Akainu's devil fruit any remnant magma will become a weapon against Akainu as well, and you can't avoid being hit by Blackbeard either.
because kuzan's attack would do nothing to blackbeard. But akainu's punches would erase his face.
BB needs to improve his armament haki before he can fight off against akainu, as since he's spend many years on whitebeard's ship suppressing his ambition it is not as strong as it could be.
Blackbeard let Luffy go because he didn't want to fight him either, faggot. It's literally his character that he is patient as fuck and doesn't fight unnecessarily regardless of if he could win.
Next you'll be telling me he didn't defeat Luffy at Impel Down because he was scared of him and would have lost.
Shank describes Blackbeard to Whitebeard, yonko to yonko, as hiding his powerlevel. Which is a meaningless statement unless Blackbeard was already yonko level.
>Female Sabertooth zoan user as one of the calamities.
It's almost guaranteed.
Zoro would never follow a captain that's meek, shy or indecisive. After the Usopp vs Luffy fight, he's made it quite clear he'll only follow a captain who doesn't show weakness. Exception being when it's the crew beating him up for being an idiot.
So yes, when his captain shittalks a yonko, he isn't just fine with it, he's understandably pleased.
usopp was always meant to be the most human of the crew. Thus him being weak is expected.
However when one of your monster trio who is expected to be strong but loses all the time. Is what a jobber is. Aka Sanji and Burgess
Why the hell does everyone assume that Shanks was Yonkou level at that point in the series? It was 10 fucking years before Luffy decided to set sail on his own, it's perfectly reasonable that he simply leveled up from that point and became a Yonkou in that TEN YEAR timespan
Ten years is a long fucking time guys, seriously
Except his fatal blows would do barely damage instead of kill him.
Kind of like how Ace stabbed him with spears through all of his vital organs but it did barely damage instead of killing him. It'd be a repeat of that.
Or when Whitebeard tried to slice him through with his haki bisento but it did barely damage instead. Or when Whitebeard tried to kill him outright with quake punch but it did barely damage instead. Or when Sengoku tried to kill him outright using his strongest attack because Blackbeard was literally sinking the Marine HQ but it did barely damage instead.
only once he hits you, and as we've seen from his fight with ace and whitebeard while he pulls you in still gives enough time for you to launch your attack at him.
thing is akainu's attacks are one hit kill if they connect, regardless of your resistance or power, since it worked on whitebeard even.
Not the strongest oppoents can avoid them or block them with haki.
Even the injured whitebeard could avoid the punch hitting his face full on and only lost half his face.
But blackbeard due to the natture of his fruit and his low ability with haki can't do either.
Because if he wasn't Shanks had no reason to mention it to Whitebeard in the current timeline as evidence that Blackbeard was legitimately strong enough to dethrone him, you speed reading retard.
You're disregarding SHANKS statements to Whitebeard in the CURRENT timeline, which means you are trolling or stupid, because Shanks prediction came true.
I fucking love that about Luffy and Zoro. They just know each other perfectly. And yea, I think post-TS soro's been itching for Luffy to get into every fight possible. Him raring to go against Fujitora even after knowing how strong an Admiral can be, for example. I love it.
When Shanks warned Whitebeard two weeks before Marineford that Blackbeard legit scarred his face and that Blackbeard would take his spot did he add "lol but i was a lot weaker when i got scarred man don't take it seriously lol!"?
No he fucking didn't. Instead he said Blackbeard had been hiding his immense power level for 20 years.
>tfw shitposters will never stop responding to other shitposters
Like flies attracted to each other's shit.
Sorry you can't read anon. I said he killed BB before he can react. Therefore, that's what would happen because I said so. It's just like how BB can kill anyone by sucking them in and hitting them because the other anon said so.
Sorry you can't into reasoning.
Ace was able to handle Akainu's attacks as proven by the fact that he exchanged blows with Akainu and was not killed or even crippled by them before Akainu targeted Luffy and Ace intentionally took the full force of the blow through his chest to save his brother.
This proves you wrong outright. Ace clashed with Akainu without being killed before he was forced to surrender his life to preserve Luffy's.
Try to understand this. Shanks was back in his home town after seeing everything in grand line. He conquered and adventured his whole life and came back to his old town for nostalgia. He was definitely yonko level or very close. In any case he was times stronger than Luffy right now. The only reason why he lost his arm because Oda didn't intend Haki in the beginning. It's an invention to give Luffy an ability the protagonist to fight the seemingly overpowered logia users. He wrote himself to a corner.
are you ready for an arc dedicated entirely to the best pirate?
I think I'll just start ignoring them instead of trying to reason with them. Should've realized it a long time ago
Except you're ignoring canon where it's shown that deadly blows are not deadly or even seriously harmful to Blackbeard in specific.
I'm not "just saying" things, you're just unable to read.
You can hit Blackbeard before he can react. It will do barely damage, unless you're stronger than Whitebeard.
Yeah, Zoro isn't the vice-captain because he views Luffy as a friend, he's there because he respects his strength and believes he can become the pirate king, and following him is his best bet of becoming the best swordsman. Them not being "friends" per se is what makes the dynamic between these characters so good.
When they fought on that Baroque Works island, Zoro wasn't holding back, it may have been a fight to the death in his eyes. It's all about strength for him.
If it doesn't imply that then it does imply that Shanks was overwhelmingly outmatched by Blackbeard when he got the scar, to the point that he believes Blackbeard is strong enough to fight the strongest yonko in the world in the present timeline.
So either way.
Post-TS Zoro is just bored as fuck because he spent too much time grinding and is now overleveled for the content they're doing. The man wants a challenge he's likely only to get from Admirals, Warlords or Yonko crews.
At the same time, their encounter with Kuma on Thriller Bark clearly demonstrated how Sanji and Zoro were both willing to sacrifice themselves if it meant letting Luffy survive. An important moment in the story where it's shown that Luffy's crew have all placed their personal dreams as secondary to making Luffy king, which is really what 'The #th crew-mate' chapters signify.
I was hype as fuck for Jack but this chapter ruined it for me.
>fodder like sheepshead and gin rummy directly beneath him
>fucking mink children wrecking his fodder
>mink had the upper hand without the poison gas
>tired and old ass looking not to mention the dumb hair
Sanji is on the run trying to get back a captured CC.
I don't think that shows Zoro having any friendship towards Luffy, I think it's more like a very strong sense of duty. If, as vice-captain, he can't even protect his captain, then his dream just isn't attainable. The moment was more telling for Sanji, who we never saw showing much respect for Luffy before that.
>Sanji captured the ninja, gave him to Jack and saved the country.
Didn't Sanji swear to take responsibility for the samurai on PH? He might think Kinemon and Momo are annoying but I doubt he'd ever hand over their friend to a murderous psycho
>He was definitely yonko level or very close.
Still dont see how you can come to this conclusion. If we're assuming that Shanks is around equal grounds with Whitebeard post-timeskip, you're telling me that Blackbeard 10 years back was around Whitebeard's level too? Blackbeard was complete shit next to Whitebeard in Marineford. And why cant Shanks be considered strong 10 years back without being Yonko level? You seem to forget that the Yonko are supposed to be fucking strongest pirates. They are an exception. Whitebeard knew Shanks since way back when because he was part of Roger's, his rival's crew. He could've still been exceptionally strong but just not Yonko level yet like maybe Luffy is. It's just retarded to think that both Shanks and Blackbeard were as strong back then as they are now, and that includes Shank's abilities to hone his haki too.
No, I disagree. I think your post is correct for Arabasta or perhaps even Skypiea, but Soro definitely started changing. It was less about him and more about Luffy. Of couree, Zoro still cared about his dream but at some point he started to want to make Luffy the Pirate King. Kinda like how Ace always said he'd make Whitebeard the PK. I think they are past friends at this point. They trully are like brothers. Not my "Best bro" stuff. I mean an actual brother.
He Is going to steamroll most of Wano but then he'd fight Jack. And since Wano is scared of Kaido, they'll think Zoro defeating Jack is super awesome and deem him worthy of holding Shusui. For some reason, I don't think we'd get much Zoro backstory in Wano.
>Blackbeard was complete shit next to Whitebeard in Marineford.
Not a BBfag but I'd just like to point out there's no basis for that as we didn't see BB fighting seriously on Marineford. It's fairly clear that BB is being hyped up as one of if not the most dangerous man in the world, him being a coward and avoiding fights whenever possible doesn't make him weak.
>fodder like sheepshead and gin rummy directly beneath him
they are literally underlings of an underling, what the fuck did you expect?
>fucking mink children wrecking his fodder
underlings of underlings of an underling, you get it?
>mink had the upper hand without the poison gas
well, Oda made it pretty clear that the Mink race is strong as fuck and Inuarashi most likely fought Jack while Jacks minions where outnumbered by countless strong fighters
>tired and old ass looking not to mention the dumb hair
I give you the hair but tired and old? This is just how a mammoth looks like
Yep. Personality fit perfectly too. Enel was a unique character.
I don't know about you, but I'm fairly sure Doflamingo would've... You know... Avoided the attack.
Besides, I'm confident enough someone capable to stand up after getting his own internal organs ruptured and after a good ass beating with Gear 4 could withstand King Kong Gun as first move. May be just me though.
also this catpcha is driving me fucking insane. The images one is broken to hell and back and the legacy one doesn't make sense.
Face card, like Joker. I think important people are going to be based on Face Cards, the Three Calamities being Jack, King and Queen. Kaido would be the Ace, I guess. The rest would be card based, like Diamonds, Heart, etc.
Mark my words.
It will be turned out something like this later:
Mink lord: Hmm so the tow samurai we captured right now came with you and the Momonosuke one is a samurai too.
Half of the SH's making a fucking scared face.
Then Dog King continues. Ok, then they are welcomed and now release them!
We should not blame any of the Wano people and samurai for what Jack did to us.
Then they laughing and Usopps will note, they took the wrong consequences about the minks again.
Or something similar shit will be happen.
Enel was best villain. I also really liked Doffy, and Crocodile, but Enel holds a special place in my heart.
Issho has the potential to be a really interesting antagonist if he doesn't go the very predictable route of siding with Luffy. We know he's willing to kill Luffy, even if reluctantly, despite the respect he has for him.
Enel and his ministache army vs Admiral BB when? He's exactly the kind of Logia BB keeps talking about when he accuses Logia's of relying too much on their fruits power. I can't wait for him to get rescued by Luffy,
whose awakened fruit will allow him to tank BB's quake punches
Come on. The nigger was shitting his pants back in Marine Ford when going against an old-near-death White Beard. I still don't see how this nigger 10 years back that injured Shanks is anywhere near Shanks's level NOW like you guys are saying. Again, you can be considered strong without being Yonko level you know.
no, but, seriously, kuina
killed herself. she was depressed her gender would have impeded oa swordman career. she was too good to just slip.
really, can you blame him? Everything about Whitebeard was intimidating, from his height to his strength to his fruit. And he just would not die, to top it off, despite being in his 80's, dying of One Piece cancer and having his face and insides incinerated by magma, not to mention all the gunshot and cannonball wounds. He was practically Satan at that point
FUUUUUUUUUCK. THE QUEEN IS WEEVIL'S MOM. THE DAD IS ACTUALLY JACK AND JACK IS PARANOID THAT THE KING WOULD KNOW SO HE DOESN'T LET ANYONE TALK. KAIDO WANTS TO KILL HIMSELF BECAUSE HE WANTED HIS SON TO LOOK LIKE A BADASS
Well it is possible, mihawk is the greatest swordsman out there And kuina had the potential to become the greatest as Well And her father isn't shabby with the sword either. So it wouldn't be impossible.
Pre time skip Yami Teach got hurt pretty badly by Luffy i wouldn't even putin current Sanji level to be honest Pre-timeksip gura teach had pretty much the same stats the only difference is that his fruit gave him greater offensive power but he hardly ahd any control over it so i wouldn't even pu tim at Doflamingo level.
Kaido>Shanks>Akainu>Big Mom>Yonko Teach>Doflamingo>Gura Gura no mi Teach
I, for one, welcome the wankery. But really, I think that would be fucking jizz inducing. Kinda like a Miss Monday scene. Afterwards, Zoro would boast for someone strong to show up and hopefully someone will.
Pre-timeskip Blackbeard could defeat the 2nd division commander of a yonko,plus a logia user,plus a CoC user,plus the fucking son of the pirate king.Your argument is retarded,BB could obviously defeat everyone who you mentioned if he had to.
>His powers have been praised by Kizaru who compared his abilities to that of a younger Whitebeard, his alleged father. He was able to single-handedly defeat 16 pirate crews affiliated with Whitebeard and defeated the A.O Pirates without taking a single injury.
That's a stupid comparison since literally anyone can become a shichibukai as long as the WG finds them useful. but in order to be a Yonko you need to be extremely strong and i doubt Teach managed to overcome that gap so soon, he's still hunting for strong devil fruit in order to get stronger, you can't go from being weaker that Doflamingo to being able to defeat a Yonko in only 2 years.
big mom manages to seize fishman island (that due to position has an important role to controling new world) without objections from any yonko or blackbeard.
that's a mark of strengh
how you can build whole point on a headcanon of yours that says that BB was weaker than Doflamingo pre-ts is beyond me. In any case, your logic is sound to a certain degree, but you have to realize Blackbeard has been gathering strenght and resources these past two years. Having the Gura Gura is, by itself, a terrific powerup because of the nature of the fruit itself. Add that to the fact that he already owned what's considered to be the strongest Logia and there you are. If we talk about his crew, he even seems to have recruited Aokiji (sounds fishy to me, but as far as we know that's how it is)
I can't say shit about how strong he is compared to the other Yonkous because we don't know much about them, but if I had to guess he'd be above Big Mom and probably Kaido. I guess we'll need to wait to find out
Blackbeard may be a formidable end game villian now, especially with Whitebeard's DF powers too, but he was still a little bitch against Whitebeard during MF. Still doesnt make sense how you'd think Shanks 10 years ago who couldnt properly defend himself against this nigger 10 years ago was anyway near Whitebeards/Shanks level during Marine Ford. Remember Shanks was able to stop the entire war, including Blackbeard.
how does it give you any indication to how strong she is compared to the other emperors combat-wise? Of course she's strong nigga. She owns her status for a reason. Still, about her combat abilities, we have next to none informations and we cannot even begin to draw out a conclusion of which emperor is stronger than the other, at least for the time being
>he was still a little bitch
Sure, and I don't expect that aspect of his personality to change. I want the full endgame fight against BB to be him shitting his pants, squirming, complaining about how painful every hit is, even as he's tanking everything like a boss and overpowering Luffy.
There was a power creep over the time skip, Yami (no Gura) Teach and Ace being slightly below Doflamingo is just fine.
BB barely got his fruits and has hardly mastered them, his base power is incredible and awakening both of those fruits will definitely make him a match for other Yonko. This is not even including any additional fruits he consumed.
dunnow, go read the chapter.
honestly my fan theory is palatable just because slipping is such a lameass excuse to kill a bg char.
oda could have said "and she got cancer. and died. end the flashback." and it would be the same.
No ? Why would there have to be any link whatsoever ? You think Kuina was only strong because somehow the Dracule blood is magic ? No, fuck that. Kuina was just a strong ass kid who ended up killing herself. Mihawk is just a strong ass dude who wants someone to entertain him.
hopefully Wano kingdoms royal sword instructor will show up and be the Yoda to Zoro's Skywalker. Zoro still needs to attain Mihawk's battle zen to become the best, and hopefully his swordsmanship will be further refined by an opponent who excels in evasion and countering rather than aggressive sword clashing.
And pre-ts Teach being weaker than Doflamingo isn't reallya headcanon either
>Teach got hurt by pre-ts Luffy
>Doflamingo completely destroyed post-ts Sanji in like 2 pages and tanked several attacks from Luffy without taking any serious damage
>Doflamingo was casually dodging attacks from post-ts Luffy while teach got blitzed by Magellan and Luffy
The only thing Teach had over him was destructive capacity but at that point he barely had nay control over the Quake fruit so that probably didn't give hi that much of a boost immediately.
It was also confirmed by the Gorosei that he was weaker than Marco too.
I wish people would understand that Teach getting hit and whining because it's so painful will always be a part of his character regardless of how strong he gets, and in no way reflects on his ability to tank hits.
>BB got hurt in this fight therefore he would have lost
BB will get hurt in every even remotely important fight, and he'll cry about it every time.
I think it just comes down to types. Since Zoro is a Power type, he'd just attack relentlessly. Mihawk is pretty much the same except he has grace. And honestly, Zoro is the last guy who needs training right now.
>So maybe Jack will be scared AF of Chopper because he thinks he is a giant mouse or some shit like that.
Jesus christ this is brilliant. It would be the silliest thing ever but i want this to happen.
Nidai Kitetsu. I think it may have been the one that was shown when Brookntalked about Wano.
Not training per se, more like exposed to new techniques and states of mind. He's learnt mental techniques for blocking out pain, controlling his cutting ability and focusing his strength, but he hasn't learnt how to be completely lose all sense of self in the middle of a battlefield. I bet that's the key to Mihawk-tier swordsmanship; becoming SWORD
>Zoro shows up at wano kuni
>They all recognize his sword
>Gets chased around the whole country like a harem protagonist.
If he doesn't take the oppurtunity to go wild, I'm gonna be so mad. Nami or Usopp are gonna stop him anyway, but still.
Are you literally insane? Holy shit good job disregarding everything i said.
Teach started crying when he got hit because it hurt him, it's that fucking easy you damn idiot. The only difference between Teach and all the other villains in the series is that he actually cries when he gets hurt, he fucking coughed blood he obviously was in pain.
I'd hope not. Even Usopp knows how strong unhandicapped Zoro is.
That intimidation was really cool to see.
Uhh, sure. Don't know where you're getting this shit from since Mihawk lookedmlike he was about to fall asleep 24/7 in Marineford. Hell, he was thinking about what a pain in the dick Luffy was going to be while facing Vista.
There's going to be Zoro wrecking fodder samurai, for sure. The one thing that's kinda eh about Zoro getting a new sword is him having to break his old one. Admittedly, Sandai is the crappiest one he has now but Mihawk said that with CoA, his swords should be unbreakable. So Zoro would have to face someone truly monstrous.
If Ryuuma had a great-grandson, would you want him to be
a: A spoiled brat with passable swordsmanship who's been allowed to coast on his prestigious family name all his life
b: Serious and proud nippon samurai who will obsess about retrieving his grandfathers sword and honor from the moment he sees Zoro
c)a laid back genius who pretends to be a bit coawrdly until he sees a weakness in his opponents fighting style he can exploit.
You don't seem to get anything either. His df amplifies the pain and he openly reacts to any injury, that's his quirk.
BB being a whiny kid doesn't mean anything, cause that's just what he is.
It's also hard to put a scale on all the characters. Doffy rarely fought anyone strong pre-ts for example. And if we take into account how Teach beat Ace, who wasn't even that low compared to at least the shichibukai, you can also say Teach might be even be able to beat doffy pre-ts
>could defeat the 2nd division commander of a yonko
Not impressive. Commanders aren't that strong.
>plus a logia user
Literally so? Luffy defeated a Zoan and a Logia and a Paramecia pre-timeskip. Big whoop.
>plus a CoC user
How does beating someone with CoC prove anything? It doesn't make you super strong or anything
>plus the fucking son of the pirate king
Again not impressive. Ace wasn't that strong.
You're the retarded one.
exactly he's always calm and serene in every scene we see him in, except when he laughed at Zoro for begging him to train him. Incidentally, so is Vista, they never seem as angry or wrathful as Zoro is when he fights
How strong is your obsession? It has been MONTHS already you freaking psychopath
You were implying Teach being weaker than Doffy was canon, and used Teach getting hurt by pre-ts Luffy as proof. As if Teach being hurt by anyone was ever a proof of anything relating to power level. I'm not insane, you're just an idiot.
Imagine if Zoro had a manifestation of his killing intent.
>Ace wasn't that strong.
He was even to Jimbei before he even joined whitebeard. He also had the highest bounty known to us. He wasn't a super power house like the admirals, but he had some feats going for him.
A shame most of the fights we saw had him losing.
as badly as you need to get laid
what about us poor souls who got mad at both because both are unbearable and retarded?
You do not do Luffyfags a favor, you actually make them look extremely autistic
We're talking about One Piece where basically every character has some sort of quirk to him. Blackbeards is to be hit first and then roll on the ground crying.
Very similiar to pic related actually.
Same shit with Sanji haters Powerlevelfags giving Zorofags a bad name.
Ok Everyone! It's that time of the thread! Time for Sanji Hate!
I am so happy that Oda killed off Sanji. He was the worst character in all of One Piece. He never did anything useful and would just whiteknight females all day. He was a beta orbiter. One Piece has improved since his removal. He couldn't even kick down a door on Punk Hazard. All he's done since the timeskip is nosebleed on Mermaids.
Oda really made a good decision. Sanji and Sanjifags EPIC BTFO
just like a real live crew of pirates!
because once he shoots it out its just normal magma and the only reason it doesnt hurt him is because he still has the ability to become magma
its like with caesar, when he had the seastone on it didnt instantly destroy all of the weapons he created using his gas (or when ace fought blackbeard i think the buildings were still on fire, not that it really matters though)
>Ace wasn't that strong.
>He was strong enough the MC admited that he couldn't beat him
You did say that pre-timeskip luffy could beat him,so your argument is retarded.Stop embarrasing yourself.
Is this the most underwhelming and disappointing character reveal is the series?
Why even hype him and then job him against an over-sized mink?
This is supposed to be the strongest creature in the world's right hand man.
Luffy is too. He sacked Dressrosa and tried to fight an admiral afterwards.
>being anything more than mid-tier in the New World