There are a number of glaring parallels:
>both feature dense MCs, who are about to enter a world alien to them
>both depict a dangerous, yet exciting setting that pulls the viewer in
>both feature magic
>both have crazy, power hungry villains after the MC's life
>both feature highly desired artifacts that can grant wishes
>both have huge nutcase fandoms that churn out an infinite supply of fanfiction and analysis
>both feature main girls with long brown hair who are extremely talented and knowledgeable about magic
Harry Potter has
>cohesive plot direction
It's a quality series written by a quality author. Fate is a mess of garbage that's heading no where and has no internal consistency or depth.
I think Fate along with Evangelion and possibly Harry Potter and Final Fantasy VII influenced many later anime, vidya and light novels.
Not only due to OP's points but also
>cool foreign (to japs) words
>often byblical or mythological
>secret omnious organizations
Brother, you don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes.
Sakura killing the servants
and corrupting Seibah?
I mean the sheer poetry of Fate/stay night is almost incomprehensible to the layman.
Every scene, every frame, there's a second, sometimes even third narrative occurring underneath.
It's much better written than people think. Idiots assume that Harry Potter is popular because of its whimsical setting and fantasy elements. The truth is, it manages seven separate mystery plots that all tie together with an overarching story. Very few humans could write something like that and make it work.
FF got plenty of foreign names like Midgard, Sephirot and Jenova, and a mega powerful corporation, Shinra.
While some character archetypes and story elements are present in previous vidya and anime it had such a place in pop culture that many people got introduced to many elements by it.
also another chuuni thing fate got is hand and body sigils.
The hack who wrote The English Patient is objectively a worse writer than JK Rowling. It takes a superior mind to write mystery.
If I asked you to design me a multilayered, thematically cohesive maze, could you do it? Could you? I doubt it. You have to be born with superior spacial reasoning abilities. Not just anybody has the mind for that.
I don't think they are anything alike.
I think that Tsukihime is a lot more closer to Harry Potter desu. Harry and Voldemort's relationship is a lot like Shiki and Capslock-kun's, especially if you remember the Harry's dream about Nagini and Shiki's constant dreams about killing people.
She might have liked him but the point was I don't think it was ever built up or anything
Nah Rowling said Ron and Hermione was shit, which was odd because that one actually felt somewhat natural.
Right, because the upper class has never oppressed the lower class in real life.
Pitting the "we're better than you because muh pure blood untainted by gooks" villains against people isn't what I'd call original or something impossible to write though. I can't recall Voldemort even having much of a plan besides becoming immortal and fucking over people who were half breeds. Was there an endgame besides "I am awesome and rule over everyone"?
Fate is being milked as a character brand lately, it only has one real sequel and it happened only a year or two after the original VN. I honestly don't know why it's so relevant and apparently the greatest fucking thing ever these days considering it's just the same old story being retold that already had an adaptation. I really wish it would just kind of fuck off already and I say that kind of liking it initially but it's long over stayed it's welcome as have its fucked up fans.
it's funny, but she should've written the story about young dumbledore and his gay evil nazi boyfriend. She wrote six books of that boring plotline before she came up with something with real promise
The best part is he made sure there was an obvious pattern to where he hid pieces of his soul, there didn't seem to be any tracking magic so I'm sure if he just put one piece in a coin and tossed it into the ocean or some shit he would have been fine, but of course he's too prideful or whatever.
It feels like more since the fans literally never shut the fuck up about it or how they think you're supposed to see it. I don't think I could possibly convey one more time to these people how absolutely little I gave a fuck about how this or that scene translated from the VN or not or how I apparently had to put the kiddie gloves on with it and say only the most glowing positive things about it like the rest of the fucking sheep. Fucking most overhyped shit to come out of late and that's saying something considering some other VN shit with retarded zealot fans like Charlotte and Steins Gate. Fuck I gave Steins Gate 9/10 tier scores and I still can't fucking stand the people that still go on about it. Visual Novel fans are fucked is the impression I've started to get from some recent adaptations, they're like Light Novel fans except they truly seem to think that they're conveying life changing masterpieces to you and doing you a favor by telling you how to watch them and that if there's anything you don't like it'd just the animes fault and being shits about it.
You're not appreciating how hard mysteries are to write. I mean, like in Book Four, you have them see the culprit on the magic map, but the culprit has the same name as his father, so they think it's the father instead. Then you get to the end and you're like "No way!", but then you realize all the clues were there.
It's not surprising that Rowling is currently writing a detective series. She always had a talent for mysteries.
it's not the One Ring, you can't just toss it randomly or some fish will get it.
the real deciding factor in which property is better; what gets the better porn? Fate wins, and even by anime standards, most of the harry potter stuff sounds deeply disturbed
>be lord voldemorte
>send a magic relic with some of your power to the Negaverse
>a japanese magical girl destroys it
FUCKING HARRY POTTER
the magic you need to destroy them isn't that high, unlike lotr where it was only dragons or mt doom. also, harry potter had an underlying 'magic makes coincidental things happen,' so some half-assed mermaid would be bound to sit on it & break it somehow.
It wasn't out of nowhere, they looked at each other every now and then and she had a girly crush when she first met him.
Harry always had a thing for her, when she got a boyfriend he was jealous as shit.
Except Ginny helped harry every fucking time? When he was down she helped him, she helped Ron a lot and Hermione too. How was she not likeable?
Harry was having yellow fever, not her problem the retard was fucking a chink instead of her.
You mean Nurutu
>Orphan outcasted kid
>Is part of a group of three friends
>Old white haired master
>Godfather die during the series
>Loving parents who died protectig him as a baby
>Chosen one shenanigans
>Distinctive facial scar
>Don´t not get with main girl causing hilarious butthurt on the internet
I'm glad that rowling publicly wishing she hadn't gone with the ron/hermione route showed us that schoolgirl crushes on your idol are more fulfilling than a maturing relationship between two lifelong friends.
Stop defending the poorly written parts of harry potter. She's a really good at making characters, but all the stuff with ginny is where she dropped the ball.
>Except Ginny helped harry every fucking time? When he was down she helped him
In the most smug and bitchy way possible. She berated him for being down and was like "STOP FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF".
>she helped Ron
By making fun of him for being a virgin?
>and Hermione too
She yelled at Hermione too.
>How was she not likable
Because she slept around and always tried to act cool. Then the romance comes out of no where and we're supposed to pretend they have this special bond when they don't?
Except she didn't at all, like I said Ginny and Harry had a thing for each other.
Did you watch the movies and never read the books or something? Harry was awkward around her since the first time they met.
It pisses me off that Rowling intentionally has all the characters date other people before settling on their endgame. It's because she's divorced, so she has to rationalize her second husband has her soulmate somehow.
>villain uses the ultimate magic spell that OHKOs every character in existence
>MC survives it just because he's the fucking MC
Every fucking anime that does this is shat on, while HP somehow gets praise
No, it's because people in real life date different people since their teen years until they're adults and meet their loved one.
I bet your mother was gangbanged a few times before meeting your dad and your dad fucked a few trannies too.
>It's because she's divorced, so she has to rationalize her second husband has her soulmate somehow.
Please tell me this is bait, you can't be this retarded
Do you really think the best explanation for characters not marrying the first person they date as fifteen-year-olds is because the author is desperate to rationalize her divorce?
Ha ha, you're so pathetic trying to make it sound normal.
The idea of meeting your wife/husband as a child is a fantasy no matter what. It's not any less of a fantasy by having Harry date Cho Chang for a year or by having Hermione neck a sports star for five minutes. It's still a childish fantasy. The only difference is that it's a modified fantasy for divorced people so they won't feel bad about their divorce.
>normal romance fantasy
children meet their soulmate at a young age, start dating them, then get married for life
>modified but still unrealistic romance fantasy
children meet their soulmate at a young age, have one relationship other than them, then get together with their soulmate and marry for life
Tohsaka = Hermione
Shinji = Malfoy (Ron before HGW 5)
Harry was awkward because an 11 year old wanted to fuck him. Before you make a scene at uni, you should realize that people are mostly only awkward towards those they aren't interested in.
The ones that are awkward if they like you basically stand there staring at your face with their mouth open, and it's really rare and just might have to do with a cultural imprinting of too many bollywood movies
Do you seriously believe that having every character date other people even when it doesn't make sense wasn't purposely put their for a reason?
Hermione has a fling with a popular athlete.
Ron has Hermione in his hands, then decides to go date a slut for no reason.
Ginny wants Harry secretly but was literally told to go date other people, so she goes through men like coats.
Harry is the only one who was slightly believable in dating Cho.
She doesn't have to do anything, but it's obvious that she intentionally had each of the characters have at least one relationship before ending up with their future husband/wife.
>Harry gave himself up to save everyone, just like Jesus did. And just like Jesus, he rose again.
Just like Ciel's route!
>Do you seriously believe that having every character date other people even when it doesn't make sense wasn't purposely put their for a reason?
Yes, I do, because I'm not an autist who reads deep political intentions into every aspect of a kids' book. It's fucking drama. It exists so that something happens and the books last longer. It's not a fucking defense of second marriages or whatever you think it is.
Hermione never had an INTEREST in Krum, she did it to make Ron jealous. Have you ever read or watched Harry Potter at all?
Ron has an inferiority complex and he always fights with hermione, he's a fucking tsundere. He treated her badly and mocked her about not having a date because he wanted to invite her but was too shy and inexperienced to do it.
Ginny just tried to move on from and dated other people, like normal people do. You don't stop living your life because your childhood crush is busier fighting an ancient Nazi magician.
Harry had a hard on for Cho so he just went for it. She was hot and he a 15 y/o boy.
Is fate/stay night the retarded equivalent of boku no pico?
>both feature blonde protagonists with flat chests
>both feature a brown hair protagonist with no idea of what sex is
>both feature magic being relished by sex
>both feature long hard "artifacts" being pulled out of someone
>both have huge fandoms that constantly churn out shitposting
jk rowling has been retconning everything with a politcal intention in interviews. The anon is still wrong about it being a self-justification for second marriages, but keep in mind that this is /a/ where having any kind of human relationship sounds like a fantasy
If you're talking the products themselves, fuck no! What the fuck are you smoking?
If you're ttalking the fanbase then yes, cause both FSN and the Potter fanbases are fucking elitist cancer
>In the most smug and bitchy way possible. She berated him for being down and was like "STOP FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF".
In case you weren't paying attention, there's a very good reason she's the only character close to his age to stop him mid-outburst. Ron and Hermione meant well, but their approach to calming him down was always to prod him with a stick and then cower, and in seven years it NEVER FUCKING WORKED and he just stormed off in a huff.
Ginny went for the jugular because that's what was required to get him to simmer the fuck down, AND because she was fairly irritated that he'd never consider asking her for help.
>By making fun of him for being a virgin?
Again, were you paying attention? She had lost her shit, that wasn't deliberate. Ron implied she was a slut in front of Harry, and her first response was a "Well, Harry dated too!" because that's what she was concerned with. She was raging at Ron because she had lost her temper in the exact same way he always did: saying shit they'd immediately regret.
>She yelled at Hermione too.
And it was damn well fucking deserved. That whole scene and buildup being changed from the movie was terrible for Hermione's character since it stripped her of her petty honest flaws. Ron was already hissing at her to shut it when Ginny snapped.
How about instead of talking about nonexistent parallels, we talk about how Suzanne Collins blatantly plagiarized Battle Royale?
Did a nerve get hit? Feeling guilty about sleeping around?
Rowling is the romantic. She's said multiple times that she wanted Harry and Ginny from the beginning and loved the whole "saving the damsel" thing. But then she realized that a childhood romance like that clashes with her own life, where she got divorced, so she had to alter it so all the characters date the wrong person before ending up with their Forever Girl/Guy.
i kinda prefer the fsn fanbase just because it's an anime fanbase and they know they have a delusional lifestyle really unfit anywhere else. The harry potter fans I've met has included a lot of full grown adults trying to get their cp-grade fanfiction normalized.
You know, shit like this >>134025243
>characters meet their future husbands/wives as children and start dating them as teenagers
That is not realistic.
>characters meet their future husbands/wives as children, date one other person before them, then end up with the future husbands/wives
That is also not realistic.
So of the two unrealistic fantasies, why did JK Rowling go with the latter rather than the former?
By that logic, love is more pure and real the more people you date before getting married. Everyone should date 1000 people just to be sure when they meet the right one.
Why did harry and cho break up anyway? It felt like it was just a completely abandoned (brief) plotline that climaxed with a kiss. And then Ginny shows up a book later.
they're not trying to normalize it. They're not posting slam poetry videos defending they're sexuality on upworthy.com
TM fans are sick, broken fucking people, but it stays on /a/ thank christ
Do you fucking realize that every single fucking pair of magic people in Britain within 7 years of age of one another has been classmates?
If they're dating anybody close in age, they met as teenagers because there's only one cunting school in the British Isles. Unless they married a muggle/foreigner or someone significantly above their age bracket, EVERYONE met everyone else as children.
Because she was a fucking snitch and Harry could never trust her again?
He might seem like a nice guy but Harry was pretty asshole-ish or dead serious when he didn't want to get along with you for some reason.
Ultimately because Cho's friend betrayed them and Cho took her friend's side.
One thing I love about Rowling is that she hates traitors and treats them with the utmost contempt.
rowling wanted to show guys what happens when you date a trauma victim. Nothing happens, she cries when you get physical, and both of you forgot to keep calling eachother.
You should always go for the genki girl, because if you don't, she becomes the next sad girl. just like in toradora
He could have put them in places around the world, and not hidden them in where he has all of his favorite things.
We can write all the laws we want, but the requirement is that he HIDE THEM IN GOOD PLACES, and he choose not to do that. Did he think that nobody would ever figure out what he was up to or start looking for his shit?
Christ, he had one in his big dumb snake! What if one of the morons fed it some poison or whatever?
Because once they actually started dating, Harry realized he really didn't have much fun hanging out with her. Also, she was still hung up on Cedric and constantly weepy, and he was in absolutely no position to be anybody's emotional support at that time since he spent the whole year a hair's breadth from losing his shit.
Then there was the thing with her friend ratting them out, again how she was constantly crying, and eventually he just stopped giving a fuck after a fight. When he heard she was dating someone else, he was mildly surprised at the fact that he did not give a damn.
That was only the movie guy.
In the book he pissed her off because she thought he had a thing with Hermoine during Valentine's Day and he had a full on Shirou moment where he processed her assumption in his head and laughed out loud at her without thinking and she ran away crying.
That and her friend was the snitch, which she defended when Harry was about to full on rip her to shreads.
>Did he think that nobody would ever figure out what he was up to or start looking for his shit?
Dude, really. There was an entire book dedicated to establishing exactly this. The theatrics were the point in and of themselves. It was inherent to the character.
>Christ, he had one in his big dumb snake! What if one of the morons fed it some poison or whatever?
Christ man, learn to read. This is how Dumbledore realizes there's more than one, and accurately guesses why he made Nagini.
I remember it being that you weren't killable until that point, since when he got avadra'd by Harry's Mom's love shield thing he just floated off as a spirit and possessed Quirrel.
Then let your gang of mind-controlled cult members take care of that!
I know he's pretty prideful, but isn't he supposed to be pretty paranoid too? He made it pretty easy to find out where he was putting this shit, just by having an idea of what who he was, shit he kept one as a bloody pet.
I mean, what took him years to do, a small gang of teens went about and collected his soul-hiding places in a matter of days, weeks? At least make them places were only the most hardcore wizards can get to, or where only your most dedicated cult members would try to tread to.
I know we have to make it so that protagonists actually can stop him, but it doesn't make him look or smart if he's hiding in his soul and keeping them in obvious hiding places.
It'd be like hiding your terrorist plots in your porn folder. Do you think they're not going to look in there?
If it were a Japanese RPG there'd be a Horcrux entrusted do Lucius Malfoy, Bellatrix Lestrange, Crabbe and Goyle Sr.s, and 2 other generic bad death eaters, and not just left unprotected.
And then Harry would just have to beat those faggots, too fucking easy.
Harry almost died several times while searching for those shits, hell his mind was going insane too, frodo-style.
we're saying that it's a stupid character to make, having flaws like that. Also, considering this site is full of racist asexuals with weird skin, isn't harry potter just a propaganda piece telling children to hate people like that? If JK Rowling wasn't using her books to jumpstart hate against 4chan users, then she would have a written an interesting, nuanced magic nazi supervillain instead of a strawman caricature
Archer wanting to kill his own self.
>I know he's pretty prideful, but isn't he supposed to be pretty paranoid too?
And that is EXACTLY why he didn't do that. He told absolutely nobody that he had made Horcruxes. The closest he ever got to that was threatening Bellatrix to the point that she lost her shit at the mere thought of someone approaching her vault, but even she didn't know what Voldemort had hidden in it.
Voldemort trusted absolutely nobody. This was why he made Nagini: the only other being he'd trust to act as his right hand as scout was himself.
He then went and systematically killed most links to his past life, not realizing Dumbledore had beaten him to the punch and already extracted important information from them. Harry knows what he knows because Dumbledore gave him that information to him alone, and the rest because he understood his personality and knew how to get inside his head, both literally and figuratively.
As for the locations: again, if you're wondering why he went the theatrical route, you're kind of missing the entire point of the character. He's not Dark Lord Sauron, he's Tom the Dickhead Orphan, a megalomaniac psychopathic asshole who created a larger-than-life persona when he was a teenager and spent the rest of his life making himself enough of a threat that he could make others play along. That's why Dumbledore and Harry get stubborn about his name: they both realize that it's all a big fucking show for his ego, and that nothing terrifies him more than being reminded that he's actually just a guy underneath, not a supernatural monster.
Those similiarities are pretty vagues and found in virtually every story with magic and a few young characters.
>both depict a dangerous, yet exciting setting that pulls the viewer in
That is supposed to be bad?
Anyway, Harry Potter isn't fate.
For one, it focuses too much on prophesies.
And it keeps teasing the audience about mysteries that the audience already knows the secret to.
Tries to make every character relevant. Fate at least knows when to keep characters irrelevant, which is good.
Harry Potter's biggest mistake is not really expanding on the magic. Harry is show to do a few spells and abuses the shit out of them even know they're not useful. He'd be better off doing avada kedavra but he probably didn't because he didn't want to stoop as low as Voldemort. At least, Shirou does everything he can and uses whatever tool when shit goes down.
Also, the themes that Fate explores are more interesting.
I'm pretty fucking pissed they cut out him torturing that dude for shits and giggles out of the DH movie. Book Harry is "Overall good guy, but anger dial does go all the way to murder" and the sixth book established part of his main motivations was just wanting to see Voldemort dead.
The movies just scrubbed his character squeaky clean and then they just took his virtues and gave them to Hermione.
>For one, it focuses too much on prophesies.
This is one of the most amusing bits of pop culture osmosis I've ever seen. The book does a thing, the movie fucks it up, and the current popular perception is that the book does the literal exact fucking opposite of what it actually did.
There's a whole damn scene where Dumbledore more or less beats into Harry that the prophecy mattered precisely jack fucking shit, and yet the popular understanding is that the thing was somehow important.
EX rank Noble Phantasm coming through.
I mean, REALLY. Most of the shit people get wrong about these books isn't even subtle. You can not get more in-your-face than the perpetually serene mentor getting all Ian-McKellen-Gandalf worked-up and effusively telling the main character that Thing is not important and why.
Granted, the movies REALLY fucked that shit up the cooch, but the result is that you have people who consider "The Chosen One" to have been a real plotpoint, when the books play that entire thing as a surbversion of the cliché and the actual utterance is dramatic-sounding nonsense manufactured in-universe by tabloid writers.
Are you fucking stupid? I was mocking anon because he's a fucking sperg and not worth of a fucking reply because he talks about something he clearly doesn't understand.
It's not about money, it's about not falling for his bait.
Stay Night and Zero were about what it means to be a hero. Harry Potter's world is highly immersive and heavily fleshed out, and its characters are likable, but I'd be interested to hear a perspective on why it was particularly deep. Early books were meant to be easily digestible for a young audience and its use of a standard, one dimensional, fantasy dark lord didn't really do it any favors in that department. Beyond Snape, at the very end, its goodies were good and its baddies were bad with little ponderance or ambiguity; one wonder why they didn't just axe Slytherin.
The movies did explain a lot of things, people just don't understand a lot because they didn't pay attention and now like to spout memes and hate it because it's popular. Just like they did back then.
Granted they were pretty meh all of them but still, in the 4th movie you have like 10 minutes of Voldemort saying to Harry that he never survived because he was some sort of chosen one and that's just a lie. He survived because of his mother, not because he's special.
How often do random YA books get discussed on /lit/ anyways? I assumed they wee just trying to make a thread to talk about it here because even lit wouldn't want to talk about the new Maximum Ride or whatever shit.
Let's find out, shall we?
Though, to answer your question, not often. YA and most speculative fiction is pretty stigmatized on /lit/, you'd have better luck trying to talk about anim, VNs or LNs.
Both of them fucked a lot with people.
Also, we learning about Voldemort and his family's past was great in the books. The movie really cut that short and gave it little focus.
Not in the way Sauron used to fuck with people with before he got Dark and Firey and then became a Giant Eyeball.
Voldemort always struck me as a bitter sociopath with daddy issues while Sauron/Mairon/Annatar was a force of absolute order and industry, to the point he was a tyrant, like the dark side of capitalism and technology in middle earth. It's kind of interest to contrast him with his Master who is more chaotic evil.
It was ok, like most random YA, but if you read the last volume it was a absolute trainwreck to the point of hilarity. The random angst between max and fang was pretty groan inducing too.
What a shitty faker sword you got there mongrel
And Voldemort used to fuck with people when he was like 5 in an orphanage anon.
Like I said, both of them fucked people. And yes Voldemort is a psycho but not with daddy issues, mommy issues were what he had.
Look Gil, a Snake. That sword killed it, what did you do?
>Does absolutely nothing
It Kills giant snakes and horcruxes
Neither. One of the twin Death Eaters that get put in charge of Hogwarts. His twin sister gets knocked out, Harry hides, and the brother shows up with McGonagall and panicks because his sister had called Voldemort as if they had captured Harry. Thinking it was a fuckup, he decides he's going to tell Voldemort that she got mobbed by the students who activated the mark themselves. McGonagall flips out and tells him he won't allow him to throw a bunch of kids under the bus to save his skin, and the dude just tells her to go get fucked and spits on her face.
By that point, Harry was so past pissed off with the hellhole he'd heard Hogwarts had been turned into that he just walks out of cover and casts Crucio on him.
I know Rowling tried to explain the fucked up circumstances of his birth and his loveless childhood as reasons for why he's a psycho but I think he's always meant to be crazy.
>a psycho but not with daddy issues
He deliberately fucked up his face to not look like his father.
Oh, also that one time he went and murdered him and all his fucking family. That had to count for something.
Big deal? It's attribute would be "effective against snakes."
You're retarded if you think that shitty sword can be anymore than C, specially when has zero fame points. Have you forgotten Excalibur, the sword made by Gaia as planet-threat killer and easily destroys armies, castle, mountains, etc is A++? Also most famous sword ever.
Griffindor's sword is a cheap knock off of Caliburn and Excalibur without beam powers, in how the concept is made by Rowling, it was mean to be a reference.
Technically, it "takes in only that which makes it stronger"
Basically, anything that coul hurt it is instead absorbed and made a a part of the weapon.
>Kill giant poisonous snake
>Blade becomes impregnated with the most deadly venom known to man
The only reason it isn't completely broken is because the only people to use it in-universe are too purehearted/stupid to minmax.
There is a LOT of stuff in that universe that could be used to make that sword a Godkiller.
>a megalomaniac psychopathic asshole who created a larger-than-life persona when he was a teenager and spent the rest of his life making himself enough of a threat that he could make others play along
Sounds like Dio.
He's basically meant to be nega-Harry. Similar fucked-up childhood, completely different choices and results.
The point of the "three lost children" symbolism was that the three pretty much started in comparable situations and had similar possibilities, but Harry was the only one who didn't go the fucked-up route. Personal choice and responsibility is a big theme in the books, the idea being that life deals you shitty cards sometimes, but what you do with them is up to you.
>There is a LOT of stuff in that universe that could be used to make that sword a Godkiller.
Anti-Divine weapons aren't weird in Fate, anon. It's fairly common.
And as bottom rule it's pretty much a knock of Excalibur. Harry himself is poor ya wizard's version of King Arthur. There are clear parallels Rowling was setting. He even married Ginevra (one of Guinevere's name).
>Harry shouted, “ Crucio! ” The Death Eater was lifted off his feet. He writhed through the air like a drowning man, thrashing and howling in pain, and then, with a crunch and a shattering of glass, he smashed into the front of a bookcase and crumpled, insensible, to the floor.
Grindelwald had more of a strong personality in a short cameo than Voldemort had in all his appearances.
This is the most retarded shit ever. I can't believe you defend a series where the ultimate power is shooting laser beams.
Except it's not anti-divine, it's anti everything.
>Also Dementors are beyond broken.
Because they eat souls? All Servants can eat souls with ease: because they are spirits. It's their nourishment. Most are too moralfag to do it.
The killing curse is slower than a bullet and I'm pretty sure you have to be up close and concentrated to use the other two curses. The ring sucks and the cloak has limited usefulness, leaving the wand as the most useful but it can also be broken.
How do you counter Dementors again?
Fucking mongrel. That cheap faker Excalibur isn't effective against snakes, it's power is it absorbs foreign elements like the Basilisk venom making it effective against Horcruxes.
Any sword could have beheaded the basilisk. It's just only important because it has end game potential against Voldemort.
>On a side note, EMIYA made the fake Sword of Gryffindor
Because they're amortal and can fuck with your mind just by being a few blocks where you are.
Unless servants know how to do patronus they're getting fucked by dementors unless you want to pull Gate of Asspull take a weapon that can kill dementors because reasons
Oh god we've moved on to the portion of the evening where we wank our preferred series' powerlevels for no reason other than competitiveness
Having higher powerlevels isn't inherently a good thing guys
The Cloak is basically the Cape of Hades from Prisma which is actually pretty good.
I have no idea the hell the ring would even do in most cases except to A. bring back a dead mentor to ask a question or B. drive yourself to suicide. The superwand is like a flat x2 on whatever you cast which granted can be pretty powerful.
Dementors are like a wildcard and just sort of there as a super dangerous monster, I don't think you can actually subjugate them and I'm not sure they're even fully sentient.
You hit them with a patronus.
Dementors are more or less dread wraiths who don't get fucked by the sun and make shit foggy, presumably you could hit them with holy magic since Patronus is concentrated willpower or some other BS.
>potterfag butthurt his characters powerlevel is nowhere near as strong as fate's
I don't think they can even affect Servants. Most are either monsters or fought shit scarier and more powerful than they can be.
I mean Arturia herself defeated all magic and darkness of Britain and toppled the age of gods and mystery.
You're forgetting Servants aren't exactly normal people, and most have attributes to kill the fuck of them. Seiba could just excaliblast the shit of them, I don't even think she needs to, she just needs to show her shiny sword of hopes and ideals and all things warmth and all of them would be fucked.
I imagine them fucked against Sakura too, considering what she can do.
Remind me, is there a way to actually kill Dementors? I seem to recall Patronus just scaring them off but I don't remember Dementors actually getting hurt.
Emotional damage would probably come off as an AoE passive.
Solos the Fateverse
>This talk about dementors
I was like 10 when the movie came out and I was scared to death. Fuck those shits they're SCARY.
>Power up Sword of Gryffindor with all sorts elements to make it destroy anything
>Use it against Herakles and his Godhand
Can it nuke all of his lives or will he become immuned to it because he tanks it with enough lives?
Anti-divine weapons aren't weird in the Nasuverse.
Anti-divine weapons are indeed weird in Fate, something like Kansho and Bakuya(originals) belong to the realm of gods.
Only few faggots have something divine/anti divine and the ones that have it are nerfed or they're divine themselves.
That's Nasuverse, although I guess he did specifically say Fateverse.
Doubt it could burn through 12 Heracles lives, since you have to hit him with A ranks for it to matter.
Presumably if he could see it coming. AK seems to be not that fast.
>Remind me, is there a way to actually kill Dementors?
Not into powerlevels, but they are wraiths. Servants are basically op ghosts that materialize and do feed on wraiths and other shit. They affect the spiritual creatures.
I think they would end up as meals to Rider, Gilgamesh or Caster.
In case a straightforward metaphor in a goddamn YA book is once again proving too fucking complex, Dementors are indestructible because they're despair incarnate. You can't brute-force despair away, you can only counter it by focusing on the good in your life. Hence why the Patronus pushes them away.
THIS ISN'T FUCKING FINNEGANS' WAKE YOU FUCKS
Didn't Gil's status page say he died from grief or the like after the snake stole his immortality trinket? Demontors just show him that or Enikidu dying, it'd fuck him up all the same.
>dementors can't be outright killed, at least in HPverse
>we know they're capable of reproducing
This brings horrifying implications to light. Though I wonder if AK might work since it seems to be hax in itself.
She does not belong that high.
The shitty graphics looked like that. Kiara stuffs the Earth into her vag too.
I thought in Nasuversion he more or less said 'lol so that's what it is I never needed immortality'.
Nah, it stuck mostly with the original myth where Gil got over his mortality and instead worked to be a, somewhat, decent ruler.
The guy was stuck in All the Evils etc. Dementors are small time.
He got over it though, the ending ended up being 'everyone dies and everyone grieves, we only got one life and just need to fucking deal with it'
Seiba was the exact opposite and could never fucking let go.
There's lots of debatable shit on that chart especially since we don't know how conflicting systems carry (like, for example, how Crowley's ability to fuck with memes and Jungian Archetypes would compare with other worlds) but it remains a fact that Fate is nowhere near the top.
The sword only absorbs that which strengthens it. It is, thusly, virtually unbreakable. Any good properties that come in contact with the blade are imprinted on it as its characteristics. Any bad property doesn't do jack diddly squat.
It's an infinite progression sword.
Yeah they're different though is the idea. Angra Manyu corrupts you with other people's sincs and dementors if I remember just feed you images of despair. All I was saying is Gil has certainly been affected by despair before, so even if he can shrug off everyone else in the world being a dick I figured it might be a different story to have to confront bad times he's had again.
Does it have a magnitude though? It's not light since the beam doesn't move at light speed, it may as well be a tracer that instantly applies effect on impact.
Angra feeds you the evil of the entire world, including ones you've committed, the ones you're going to commit, etc. as well as shit you never even knew about.
Gil's defense is saying 'I am so glorious I cannot be assed to feel despair', and again he's gotten over both Enkidu and his mortality.
Found what I was talking about. It might have gotten changed later but there's some merit to thinking grief would affect Gil.
Accelerator literally has reflected magic before so the conversation is fruitless.
Why does Gil give rape vibes to Sakura?
Fateverse has some weird gimmicks that are basically entry-level versions of being able to fuck something much bigger and stronger than you
Dementors make you feel despair, Patronus wards off despair through willpower, hence someone who can ward off despair through their force of will shouldn't be affected by Dementors.
If they're despair incarnate, then Patronus is willpower incarnate.
Huh. I'm p. sure it got retconned but I'll go dig for it.
>Why doesn't Emiya use the stone of Resurrection to revive and break his CG contract?
>Why doesn't Emiya steal the Philosopher's Stone and recreate a body to break his contract?
>Why doesn't Emiya get sent to kill Voldemort in a Counter Guardian Mission?
>Why doesn't Emiya just nuke the ground zero of Dark Mark with Caladbolg?
>Why doesn't Emiya trace the Elder Wand?
>Why doesn't Emiya use Rule Breaker on Voldemort to un anchor his Horcruxes?
>implying soul sucking is strong
Even kids in YuGiOh get their souls permanently sucked out and devoured.
Fate/Zero had a much more impactful message about heroes for me personally. Fate/Stay Night was a good story about 'a man that chooses to save others before himself' story, but in the end it was pretty clear that Shirou didn't change that much at all. Meanwhile, Kiritsugu had so much character development and depth that, when he finally realized that his dream was folly, his despair absolutely carried to the audience.
The thing is, I think you might be confusing change for development.
Just because Shirou didn't fundamentally alter his goals doesn't mean he didn't develop. His whole arc, in UBW at least, was about seeing all the potential perils of his dream, and even looking into the literal face of his future. He's told he'll suffer, he'll, and in the end, he may not achieve what he truly wants, but Shirou, weighing all that, chooses to persevere, because he knows what he's aiming for isn't a mistake.
Keep in mind, that's just UBW.
The real question is whether or not voldie can buff his dynamic vision, since servants move so fast you can't see them and you have shit like God Hand and Fragarach (which probably recognizes AK as a trump card)
I almost bored myself to death with Fate/Zero it was uninteresting, boring and just plain bad.
Watched it 1 year ago and I can't remember shit about it, it was just THAT forgettable. No character made an impression on me, no plot point did it, nothing.
>Reminder that if Archer traced his Elder Wand to use Avada Kadavera he'd have won the war in 3 days
Character development could honestly be as simple as the character learning something new, although you usually don't note that down as development unless what they learned matters.
Technically Harry learning that Uncle Vernon's favorite brand of cologne is no longer sold in stores would be character development, although it's on an utterly irrelevant level.
Such a stupid fucking name, it sounds like what'd happen if Monogatari went shonen.
At least it beats the Average One which apparently means the Excellent One.
He's hiding a leaf in a massive fucking forest during the autumn.
Even if you want to go that route, Shirou still does change in UBW.
One of the things about Shirou and his ideal is, that while he believes in it in the beginning of the story, depending on the route and the situations that go on, it either starts to waver, or harden.
You can even see this in UBW even, he's presented with a situation where he has to choose between Taiga and the town, and with Shirou's character still in flux, he chooses Taiga.
The thing is though, Shirou's resolve hardens after that. He's put to the test after losing Saber, and having to deal with Caster, Archer, and finally Gil. By the end, his belief in his ideal is absolute.
Does magic resistance include instakill resistance though? It's like every spell in HP is meh tier at best and all of sudden you have a single spell that amounts to http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Power_Word_Kill.
I don't remember what the scene was but didn't Harry note that hiding it in the room was a really good idea on Voldemort's part, because of all the fucking junk and having to find a single shiny piece of rubbish in a mountain range of garbage?
Why would it be bait? I genuinely didn't care at all about F/Z. And it's not because of long dialogues and shit, I like F/SN, F/Z is just plain uninteresting and even more if you've already seen butcher's garbage.
Using Ea in and of itself meant Gilgamesh was trying.
I still don't know why Lily's thing worked. Wasn't that fucking spell supposed to be unblockable and unmitigatable?
Plus the fact that you can make the room of requirement anything means that unless you knew what Voldemort needed the room of requirement you may not even be in its proper state to even go looking for it.
>Room of Requirement is Unlimited Trash Works
>he even died like a bitch and Gilgamesh wasn't trying
Kind of the point, he's a bigger-than-life human trying to reach someone standing on a different level entirely.
I don't think older automatically equals better in HP, it felt like Power of Love was literally the one thing that could save against it.
>Gilgamesh has ancient magic such as Power word Live in Gate of Babylon along with prototype Noble Phantasms
>Disguise it as his chains Enkidu
And that's why he never died until HGW 5, his pal shielded him with Love.
Rin makes everything better, because Rin is the best.
OP, are you trying to turn me off the FS/N series? I wanted to give the series (starting with the VN) a serious try but the prologue (only thing I've read so far) doesn't make me want to read this magical fantasy garbage. If it's of the same level as HP (which I enjoyed as a kid, but it's still really bad literature), I'm not going to try it anytime soon.
The Old Men stuff has always been bull, but Rin did mention she'll probably eventually settle at the Clocktower after adventuring with Shirou.
They'll still be together, but Shirou has hero business.
I always thought Harry and Hermione had the best chemistry. They were both muggle raised, their personalities balanced each other it while being similar enough to be on the same page, supported each other with great heart to hearts and stuck with each other through a load of shit
Every pairing was a mistake
That was contained in the "snippets of other races" statement. In what way is the house elves the best race relations you've seen? Certainly not based on how well they got along since they're basically slaves, they're not exactly super detailed about it either, what about it is special compared to any other work?
Extra material revealed that her Eternity Sword is actually an unawakened version of one of the few Rank 1 (or was it Rank 0?) Eternity Swords. When she has access to its full power, she's a casual universe buster.
this desu. When Shiki gets headaches and shit its sometimes because of Roa, same as the scar. When I read the Ciel route I remember thinking it was some kind of harry potter shit
Just you wait. I'm doing the Senpai Drinking Game when those movies come out. I hope /a/ does a stream of it at a reasonable hour so I can drink along with everyone until I'm comatose.
>when he finally realized that his dream was folly
You mean since the beginning of the series?
He always knew his dream was bullshit, the HGW was his last reminding childish hope of it being posible.
First off, you're a virgin posting on /a/ who has rationalized the fact that the only person who would ever date you is a whore.
Secondly, the series has all the characters meet their spouses at age 11 and date them by age 15/16. Having them date another person first doesn't make it more realistic, kid.
The last book was a masterpiece. The penultimate book was kind of mediocre, but it was supposed to be more lighthearted to give you reprieve from the super dark books 5 and 7.
>The last book was a masterpiece
There are people that actually believe this
Yes, it's called "most of humanity". It was the best selling book of its year by far and received universal critical praise.
> BUT LE TWILIGHT ARGUMENTIM ADD POPULARIUM HERPA DA DOOP DE DOP DE DOOPITY DEE DOP DOO XD
So is /a/ now the board to discuss Harry Potter on?
Normally this would be an argument in favor but you realise this was the last book of a critically acclaimed series right? It could have been filled with complete dogshit and it would have sold a ludicrous amount.
>>BUT LE TWILIGHT ARGUMENTIM ADD POPULARIUM HERPA DA DOOP DE DOP DE DOOPITY DEE DOP DOO XD
Sorry, but you're community college dropouts who are shitposting on /a/. If you truly and honestly think that you can fallback on
>BUT LE TWILIGHT
whenever you're losing an argument, then you need to fuck off back to reddit.
It's just an easy example anon. The fact remains that saying a book sold well is no argument for it's quality, much like saying something didn't sell well doesn't automatically mean it's shit. The fact you don't already know this simple fact is why I have to resort to comparisons of well known examples in the first place.
>TFW when you realise Hermione would do well to be voiced by Rie Kugimiya
Did Harry really make his choices though? He just acted "keikakku-doori" as Dumbledore was his puppeteer. I'd argue that Harry never really made a single choice in his own life of his own volition.
No, it's the complete opposite. Sales and quality are among the most correlated properties in existence. Sales aren't 100% proof of quality, but they are strong evidence of such.
Screaming "TWILIGHT" is something a remedial faggot does when he can't argue why something sucks. It's a mindless, empty, illogical shitpost that should result in a three day ban at least.
What makes it worse is that Twilight IS a quality work of fiction if you understand what it is. It's wish fulfillment for preteen and teenage girls. It's probably the most shlicked to book of the 21st Century. If anyone could write wish fulfillment that good, everyone would be getting rich. But they aren't.
Arguably the best chuuni trainwreck humanity ever produced.
Adaptation by Madhouse when?
>Wish fulfillment shit is quality fiction
Just because it reaches to a large audience doesn't mean it's good anon, same deal with SAO. But you can keep thinking sales = quality all you want, just try to keep it to the stalker threads.