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Is Fate Stay/Night the japanese equivalent of Harry Potter?

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There are a number of glaring parallels:

>both feature dense MCs, who are about to enter a world alien to them
>both depict a dangerous, yet exciting setting that pulls the viewer in
>both feature magic
>both have crazy, power hungry villains after the MC's life
>both feature highly desired artifacts that can grant wishes
>both have huge nutcase fandoms that churn out an infinite supply of fanfiction and analysis
>both feature main girls with long brown hair who are extremely talented and knowledgeable about magic
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>>134021419
No, that's Index.
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What's the "Snape killed Dumbledore" of Fate?
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>>134021419
>>>/MALrecommendations/
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>>134021567
Shirou is the white man
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>>134021419
That's the dumbest comparison I've ever read.
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>>134021419
Bait/Gay Blight is Bleach crossed with Pokémon, Harry Potter and crappy h-doujinshi.
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>>134021419
Woah, now that you mention it.
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>>134021567
Shirou kills Saber.
In one universe.
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>>134021567
Shirou is the Red Man
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>>134021610
>>134022643
Nah that's the "I saved myself with a patronous" of Fate... Subverted
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>>134021419
>>134021457
>>134021597
>>134021567
>>134022525
>>134022723
>>134022554
Harry Potter has

>themes
>symbolism
>characterization
>mystery
>cohesive plot direction

It's a quality series written by a quality author. Fate is a mess of garbage that's heading no where and has no internal consistency or depth.
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Harry is hardly that dense, and even if he was he'd have a much better excuse than Shirou does.
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>>134021419
I think Fate along with Evangelion and possibly Harry Potter and Final Fantasy VII influenced many later anime, vidya and light novels.
Not only due to OP's points but also
>cool foreign (to japs) words
>often byblical or mythological
>secret omnious organizations
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>>134022767
Harry Potters last two books were garbage though, especially the last one.
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>>134022859
>Final Fantasy VII
How? And with what specifically would you say is influenced by it?
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>>134022767
>symbolism

Brother, you don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes.
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>>134021419
harry wasn't dense outside of the first couple of books
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>>134022767
I may have liked Harry Potter, but it's not exactly high quality literature, it's just generic fun teen fiction, same as Artemis Fowl and the rest just more popular.
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>>134021567
Sakura killing the servants and corrupting Seibah?
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>>134022965
I mean the sheer poetry of Fate/stay night is almost incomprehensible to the layman.

Every scene, every frame, there's a second, sometimes even third narrative occurring underneath.
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>>134023015
It's much better written than people think. Idiots assume that Harry Potter is popular because of its whimsical setting and fantasy elements. The truth is, it manages seven separate mystery plots that all tie together with an overarching story. Very few humans could write something like that and make it work.
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>>134021419
No, Fate is actually good.
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>>134021419
Nasu follows the same tired cliches that a million novels in the past have. Nothing new to see here.
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>>134021567
Kotomine killed the orphans
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>>134023072
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aii
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>you're a wizard Shirou
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>>134022859
>Hermoine - Tsundere
>Cho Chang - passing love interest
>Luna Lovegood - Quirky girl
>Ginny Weasly - shy girl that wins

Was Harry Potter a harem series?
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>>134021419
>Shirou
>dense
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>>134022938
FF got plenty of foreign names like Midgard, Sephirot and Jenova, and a mega powerful corporation, Shinra.
While some character archetypes and story elements are present in previous vidya and anime it had such a place in pop culture that many people got introduced to many elements by it.
also another chuuni thing fate got is hand and body sigils.
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>>134023176
Ginny wasn't really a shy girl that won so much as she was the out of nowhere ship. I think they spoke maybe once before they became a thing?
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>>134023151
>LEREACTIONFACE.XD
The hack who wrote The English Patient is objectively a worse writer than JK Rowling. It takes a superior mind to write mystery.

If I asked you to design me a multilayered, thematically cohesive maze, could you do it? Could you? I doubt it. You have to be born with superior spacial reasoning abilities. Not just anybody has the mind for that.
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>>134021419
I don't think they are anything alike.
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>>134023221
She had a crush on him from the beginning and he saved her life in the second book/movie.

It was still a shit pairing though.
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>>134023301
Well yeah, didn't Rowling basically say that herself?
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>>134023097
>Fate is actually good.
I don't have a smug anime girl smug enough for this.
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>>134021419
I think that Tsukihime is a lot more closer to Harry Potter desu. Harry and Voldemort's relationship is a lot like Shiki and Capslock-kun's, especially if you remember the Harry's dream about Nagini and Shiki's constant dreams about killing people.
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>>134023260
Harry Potter is YA where villains and heroes are literally divided into different classes. Calm down anon
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>>134023301
She might have liked him but the point was I don't think it was ever built up or anything
>>134023331
Nah Rowling said Ron and Hermione was shit, which was odd because that one actually felt somewhat natural.
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>>134023336
Tsukihime is Twilight.
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>>134023176
Luma was best girl, prove me wrong faggots. Should have won either the Harry or Neville bowl but Rowling NTR'd her with some never introduced character instead.
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>>134023335
haha fate sucks XD
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>>134023336
Except Harry Potter didn't start with him murdering the shit out of a random girl walking down the street.
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>>134023378
Luna was too good for either of them, also the fact she leaves her husband at home to watch the house while exploring for random monsters makes me laugh every time.
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I don't watch anime and I see this anime pop-up here on 4chan alot, where do I start?
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>>134023474
Can't recall there being a Harry Potter anime, family.
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>>134023364
Right, because the upper class has never oppressed the lower class in real life.
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>>134023494
Pitting the "we're better than you because muh pure blood untainted by gooks" villains against people isn't what I'd call original or something impossible to write though. I can't recall Voldemort even having much of a plan besides becoming immortal and fucking over people who were half breeds. Was there an endgame besides "I am awesome and rule over everyone"?
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>>134022767

Fate is being milked as a character brand lately, it only has one real sequel and it happened only a year or two after the original VN. I honestly don't know why it's so relevant and apparently the greatest fucking thing ever these days considering it's just the same old story being retold that already had an adaptation. I really wish it would just kind of fuck off already and I say that kind of liking it initially but it's long over stayed it's welcome as have its fucked up fans.
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>>134023614
He was a faggot who had daddy issues and split his soul into, what, 8 pieces?

So no, not match of a plan, but do you expect someone like that to have one?
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>>134023662
The only Fate thing that's been adapted more than once is UBW.
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>>134023614
it's funny, but she should've written the story about young dumbledore and his gay evil nazi boyfriend. She wrote six books of that boring plotline before she came up with something with real promise
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>>134021419
No, because Nasu does not publicly announce "unmentioned details" every few years to conform with the most recent politically correct bullshit.
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>>134023406
Both start with the MCs moving out from their adoptive families, though.
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>>134022767
Harry Potter has a literal cookie-cutter Jesus myth story with like a billion occult namedrops and hardly any creativity.

/a/ bitches about school settings all the time too.
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>>134023824
Who is /a/?
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>>134023716
The best part is he made sure there was an obvious pattern to where he hid pieces of his soul, there didn't seem to be any tracking magic so I'm sure if he just put one piece in a coin and tossed it into the ocean or some shit he would have been fine, but of course he's too prideful or whatever.
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>>134023372
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>>134023822
I'm sure that's a relatively common start to a series.
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>>134023614
Ask Hitler what his plan was.
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>>134023936
What other animu and movies have that start?
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>>134023758

It feels like more since the fans literally never shut the fuck up about it or how they think you're supposed to see it. I don't think I could possibly convey one more time to these people how absolutely little I gave a fuck about how this or that scene translated from the VN or not or how I apparently had to put the kiddie gloves on with it and say only the most glowing positive things about it like the rest of the fucking sheep. Fucking most overhyped shit to come out of late and that's saying something considering some other VN shit with retarded zealot fans like Charlotte and Steins Gate. Fuck I gave Steins Gate 9/10 tier scores and I still can't fucking stand the people that still go on about it. Visual Novel fans are fucked is the impression I've started to get from some recent adaptations, they're like Light Novel fans except they truly seem to think that they're conveying life changing masterpieces to you and doing you a favor by telling you how to watch them and that if there's anything you don't like it'd just the animes fault and being shits about it.
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>>134023824
You're not appreciating how hard mysteries are to write. I mean, like in Book Four, you have them see the culprit on the magic map, but the culprit has the same name as his father, so they think it's the father instead. Then you get to the end and you're like "No way!", but then you realize all the clues were there.

It's not surprising that Rowling is currently writing a detective series. She always had a talent for mysteries.
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>>134023989
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>>134023975
Tsubasa and FMA are all that come to mind, but I'm sure I'm just blanking.
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>>134023997
Didn't read any of this.
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>>134023997
Take a breath anon
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>>134023895
it's not the One Ring, you can't just toss it randomly or some fish will get it.

the real deciding factor in which property is better; what gets the better porn? Fate wins, and even by anime standards, most of the harry potter stuff sounds deeply disturbed
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>>134024077
Who cares if a fish gets it though? Doesn't it just have to exist somewhere and not get stabbed by a magic sword and you're good for unlife?
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>be lord voldemorte
>send a magic relic with some of your power to the Negaverse
>a japanese magical girl destroys it

FUCKING HARRY POTTER
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>>134023997
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>>134023050
> it manages seven separate mystery plots that all tie together
Thats the only good part, it should have been better as a detective series
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>>134021419
This pasta again?
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R.I.P fate.
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>>134023176
Ginny is not Shy. She was very agressive overall, also talented.

She was only shy when she was 13 in the chamber of secrets.
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>>134024124
the magic you need to destroy them isn't that high, unlike lotr where it was only dragons or mt doom. also, harry potter had an underlying 'magic makes coincidental things happen,' so some half-assed mermaid would be bound to sit on it & break it somehow.
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>>134024305
She was better when she was shy. She turned into a complete slut that wasn't likable at all.
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>>134024353
I don't really remember that law so I'll take your word for it.
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>>134024383
i think I see why you stopped reading harry potter and started watching anime


8^ ]
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Luna best girl and had better chemistry with Harry than Ginny

should have gotten with Longbottom
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>>134023221
It wasn't out of nowhere, they looked at each other every now and then and she had a girly crush when she first met him.

Harry always had a thing for her, when she got a boyfriend he was jealous as shit.
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>>134024449
Ginny did shit after the second book but act like a Mary Sue (winning every Quidditch game when Harry wasn't around) and make out with every guy in the school.
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>>134024383
Except Ginny helped harry every fucking time? When he was down she helped him, she helped Ron a lot and Hermione too. How was she not likeable?

>>134024542
>Muh purity!
Harry was having yellow fever, not her problem the retard was fucking a chink instead of her.
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>>134024597
>fucking

lol
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You mean Nurutu
>Orphan outcasted kid
>Is part of a group of three friends
>Old white haired master
>Godfather die during the series
>Loving parents who died protectig him as a baby
>Chosen one shenanigans
>Distinctive facial scar
>Don´t not get with main girl causing hilarious butthurt on the internet
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>>134024502
I'm glad that rowling publicly wishing she hadn't gone with the ron/hermione route showed us that schoolgirl crushes on your idol are more fulfilling than a maturing relationship between two lifelong friends.

Stop defending the poorly written parts of harry potter. She's a really good at making characters, but all the stuff with ginny is where she dropped the ball.
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>>134024597
>Except Ginny helped harry every fucking time? When he was down she helped him
In the most smug and bitchy way possible. She berated him for being down and was like "STOP FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF".

>she helped Ron
By making fun of him for being a virgin?

>and Hermione too
She yelled at Hermione too.

>How was she not likable
Because she slept around and always tried to act cool. Then the romance comes out of no where and we're supposed to pretend they have this special bond when they don't?
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>>134024631
I know Harry/Hermione still causes butthurt, but does NaruSaku do as well?
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>>134024657
Except she didn't at all, like I said Ginny and Harry had a thing for each other.

Did you watch the movies and never read the books or something? Harry was awkward around her since the first time they met.
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>>134024631
Most of this shit is part of the Jesus myth, like I said >>134024008
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>>134024597
even on 4chan, making fun of somebody for purity bullshit and then hating harry potter cuz he dated an asian girl seems kinda weird
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>>134024681
>I never read the books

Also
>She slept around
Around what you fucking retard? Purityfags are fucking stupid. Harry was going after cho chang and kissing her, just fuck off.
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>>134024765
It pisses me off that Rowling intentionally has all the characters date other people before settling on their endgame. It's because she's divorced, so she has to rationalize her second husband has her soulmate somehow.
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>>134024756
Did I said I hated on Harry for dating Cho? Are you retarded?

I only said the guy was with another girl, purityfags are fucking stupid with their double standards.
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>>134023072
>villain uses the ultimate magic spell that OHKOs every character in existence
>MC survives it just because he's the fucking MC
Every fucking anime that does this is shat on, while HP somehow gets praise
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>>134024807
Harry should have married Luna.
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>>134021419

No. Japan has tons of Harry Potter clones. I'm pretty sure there is 3 airing this season.
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>/a/ - Harry Potter
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>>134024657
Are you trying to suggest the Ron/Hermione relationship made sense and that Harry/Ginny didn't?

k e k
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>>134023372
Then what is Kara no Kyōkai.
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>>134024807
No, it's because people in real life date different people since their teen years until they're adults and meet their loved one.
I bet your mother was gangbanged a few times before meeting your dad and your dad fucked a few trannies too.

>It's because she's divorced, so she has to rationalize her second husband has her soulmate somehow.
Please tell me this is bait, you can't be this retarded
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>>134024832
It's Christian symbolism, you turbine faggot.

Harry gave himself up to save everyone, just like Jesus did. And just like Jesus, he rose again.
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>>134024865
Terrorist propaganda.
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>>134024807
Do you really think the best explanation for characters not marrying the first person they date as fifteen-year-olds is because the author is desperate to rationalize her divorce?
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>>134021419
HP is vastly better than FSN desu
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>>134024879
Ha ha, you're so pathetic trying to make it sound normal.

The idea of meeting your wife/husband as a child is a fantasy no matter what. It's not any less of a fantasy by having Harry date Cho Chang for a year or by having Hermione neck a sports star for five minutes. It's still a childish fantasy. The only difference is that it's a modified fantasy for divorced people so they won't feel bad about their divorce.

>normal romance fantasy
children meet their soulmate at a young age, start dating them, then get married for life

>modified but still unrealistic romance fantasy
children meet their soulmate at a young age, have one relationship other than them, then get together with their soulmate and marry for life
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>>134021419
Tohsaka = Hermione
Shinji = Malfoy (Ron before HGW 5)
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>>134024937
He does. He's a betamax that lives in manga world and thinks you meet you're waifu at 12 and marry her and have babies.
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>>134024720
Harry was awkward because an 11 year old wanted to fuck him. Before you make a scene at uni, you should realize that people are mostly only awkward towards those they aren't interested in.
The ones that are awkward if they like you basically stand there staring at your face with their mouth open, and it's really rare and just might have to do with a cultural imprinting of too many bollywood movies
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>>134024937
Do you seriously believe that having every character date other people even when it doesn't make sense wasn't purposely put their for a reason?

Hermione has a fling with a popular athlete.

Ron has Hermione in his hands, then decides to go date a slut for no reason.

Ginny wants Harry secretly but was literally told to go date other people, so she goes through men like coats.

Harry is the only one who was slightly believable in dating Cho.
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>>134024965
And why does she have to write normal cliche fantasy?

You're seriously not trying anymore.
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>>134024809
bro, you called her a chink tho bro
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>>134025014
She doesn't have to do anything, but it's obvious that she intentionally had each of the characters have at least one relationship before ending up with their future husband/wife.
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>>134024890

>Harry gave himself up to save everyone, just like Jesus did. And just like Jesus, he rose again.


Just like Ciel's route!
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>>134025008
>Do you seriously believe that having every character date other people even when it doesn't make sense wasn't purposely put their for a reason?
Yes, I do, because I'm not an autist who reads deep political intentions into every aspect of a kids' book. It's fucking drama. It exists so that something happens and the books last longer. It's not a fucking defense of second marriages or whatever you think it is.
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>>134025008
Hermione never had an INTEREST in Krum, she did it to make Ron jealous. Have you ever read or watched Harry Potter at all?

Ron has an inferiority complex and he always fights with hermione, he's a fucking tsundere. He treated her badly and mocked her about not having a date because he wanted to invite her but was too shy and inexperienced to do it.

Ginny just tried to move on from and dated other people, like normal people do. You don't stop living your life because your childhood crush is busier fighting an ancient Nazi magician.

Harry had a hard on for Cho so he just went for it. She was hot and he a 15 y/o boy.
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Is fate/stay night the retarded equivalent of boku no pico?

>both feature blonde protagonists with flat chests
>both feature a brown hair protagonist with no idea of what sex is
>both feature magic being relished by sex
>both feature long hard "artifacts" being pulled out of someone
>both have huge fandoms that constantly churn out shitposting
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>>134025063
This is you just being insecure because you know a girl would never be with you and your tiny dick if she had a boyfriend before.
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>>134021419
I didn't know Harry Potter had sex scenes
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>>134025109
jk rowling has been retconning everything with a politcal intention in interviews. The anon is still wrong about it being a self-justification for second marriages, but keep in mind that this is /a/ where having any kind of human relationship sounds like a fantasy
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>>134021419
If you're talking the products themselves, fuck no! What the fuck are you smoking?

If you're ttalking the fanbase then yes, cause both FSN and the Potter fanbases are fucking elitist cancer
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>>134025204
You didn't read the part harry inserted his wand and casted wingardium leviosa on it so that he could make Ginny's defenseless mandragora fly?
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>>134024681
>In the most smug and bitchy way possible. She berated him for being down and was like "STOP FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF".

In case you weren't paying attention, there's a very good reason she's the only character close to his age to stop him mid-outburst. Ron and Hermione meant well, but their approach to calming him down was always to prod him with a stick and then cower, and in seven years it NEVER FUCKING WORKED and he just stormed off in a huff.

Ginny went for the jugular because that's what was required to get him to simmer the fuck down, AND because she was fairly irritated that he'd never consider asking her for help.

>By making fun of him for being a virgin?

Again, were you paying attention? She had lost her shit, that wasn't deliberate. Ron implied she was a slut in front of Harry, and her first response was a "Well, Harry dated too!" because that's what she was concerned with. She was raging at Ron because she had lost her temper in the exact same way he always did: saying shit they'd immediately regret.

>She yelled at Hermione too.

And it was damn well fucking deserved. That whole scene and buildup being changed from the movie was terrible for Hermione's character since it stripped her of her petty honest flaws. Ron was already hissing at her to shut it when Ginny snapped.
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How about instead of talking about nonexistent parallels, we talk about how Suzanne Collins blatantly plagiarized Battle Royale?
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>>134025168
Did a nerve get hit? Feeling guilty about sleeping around?

Rowling is the romantic. She's said multiple times that she wanted Harry and Ginny from the beginning and loved the whole "saving the damsel" thing. But then she realized that a childhood romance like that clashes with her own life, where she got divorced, so she had to alter it so all the characters date the wrong person before ending up with their Forever Girl/Guy.
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>>134023158
N O
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>>134025227
i kinda prefer the fsn fanbase just because it's an anime fanbase and they know they have a delusional lifestyle really unfit anywhere else. The harry potter fans I've met has included a lot of full grown adults trying to get their cp-grade fanfiction normalized.
You know, shit like this >>134025243
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>>134025063
How can you believe a person that tells you I love you the most in the world when you know the only thing she knows is you?

BTFO purityshit
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>>134025337
Just like the autists making
>Write your TM mollusk scene thread

Stop being new
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>>134025223
>characters meet their future husbands/wives as children and start dating them as teenagers
That is not realistic.

>characters meet their future husbands/wives as children, date one other person before them, then end up with the future husbands/wives
That is also not realistic.

So of the two unrealistic fantasies, why did JK Rowling go with the latter rather than the former?

>>134025338
By that logic, love is more pure and real the more people you date before getting married. Everyone should date 1000 people just to be sure when they meet the right one.
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>>134024765
>>134025008
Why did harry and cho break up anyway? It felt like it was just a completely abandoned (brief) plotline that climaxed with a kiss. And then Ginny shows up a book later.
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>>134025365
they're not trying to normalize it. They're not posting slam poetry videos defending they're sexuality on upworthy.com
TM fans are sick, broken fucking people, but it stays on /a/ thank christ
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>>134025384
Do you fucking realize that every single fucking pair of magic people in Britain within 7 years of age of one another has been classmates?

If they're dating anybody close in age, they met as teenagers because there's only one cunting school in the British Isles. Unless they married a muggle/foreigner or someone significantly above their age bracket, EVERYONE met everyone else as children.
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>>134025400
Because she was a fucking snitch and Harry could never trust her again?

He might seem like a nice guy but Harry was pretty asshole-ish or dead serious when he didn't want to get along with you for some reason.
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>>134024008
Oh, nonsense.
Even Scooby Doo would seem like an epic thriller if you held off the clues for years to come.
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>>134025483
>Because she was a fucking snitch

Guess I'm forgetting, what'd she do again?
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>>134025400
Ultimately because Cho's friend betrayed them and Cho took her friend's side.

One thing I love about Rowling is that she hates traitors and treats them with the utmost contempt.
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>>134025400
rowling wanted to show guys what happens when you date a trauma victim. Nothing happens, she cries when you get physical, and both of you forgot to keep calling eachother.
You should always go for the genki girl, because if you don't, she becomes the next sad girl. just like in toradora
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>>134023895
>>134024124
>>134024353
I thought it had to do with the fact that Horcruxes are useless unless you have someone who can find them, and activate them to bring you back to life.
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>>134024077
He could have put them in places around the world, and not hidden them in where he has all of his favorite things.

We can write all the laws we want, but the requirement is that he HIDE THEM IN GOOD PLACES, and he choose not to do that. Did he think that nobody would ever figure out what he was up to or start looking for his shit?

Christ, he had one in his big dumb snake! What if one of the morons fed it some poison or whatever?
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>>134025475
It's still not realistic to start dating someone at age 16 and stay with them for life.

It happens, but it's extremely rare.
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>>134025400
Because once they actually started dating, Harry realized he really didn't have much fun hanging out with her. Also, she was still hung up on Cedric and constantly weepy, and he was in absolutely no position to be anybody's emotional support at that time since he spent the whole year a hair's breadth from losing his shit.

Then there was the thing with her friend ratting them out, again how she was constantly crying, and eventually he just stopped giving a fuck after a fight. When he heard she was dating someone else, he was mildly surprised at the fact that he did not give a damn.
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>>134025483
That was only the movie guy.

In the book he pissed her off because she thought he had a thing with Hermoine during Valentine's Day and he had a full on Shirou moment where he processed her assumption in his head and laughed out loud at her without thinking and she ran away crying.

That and her friend was the snitch, which she defended when Harry was about to full on rip her to shreads.
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>>134025545
You can't kill nagini with poison sperg. Nagini's just based like that.

Remember when she rekt Hermione and Ron? Based.
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>>134025545
>Christ, he had one in his big dumb snake! What if one of the morons fed it some poison or whatever?
Once it became a horcrux it became immune to most forms of attacks.
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>>134025505
Her friend betrayed and leaked about the Dumbledore's Army that brought it to its ruin and Cho is supporting her.
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>>134023895
I think yo kind of missed the entire point of Voldemort's character. If he had actually been a practical person, he wouldn't even have called himself Voldemort.
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>>134025545
the author explained that he started using them in fun ways like the book or snake because he had so many. Clearly, the author is kinda full of crap
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>>134025545
>Did he think that nobody would ever figure out what he was up to or start looking for his shit?

Dude, really. There was an entire book dedicated to establishing exactly this. The theatrics were the point in and of themselves. It was inherent to the character.
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>>134025605
>rekt
>based
>nagini's just based like that
>>reddit
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>>134025625
>>134025545
>Christ, he had one in his big dumb snake! What if one of the morons fed it some poison or whatever?

Christ man, learn to read. This is how Dumbledore realizes there's more than one, and accurately guesses why he made Nagini.
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>>134025534
I remember it being that you weren't killable until that point, since when he got avadra'd by Harry's Mom's love shield thing he just floated off as a spirit and possessed Quirrel.
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>>134025534
Then let your gang of mind-controlled cult members take care of that!

I know he's pretty prideful, but isn't he supposed to be pretty paranoid too? He made it pretty easy to find out where he was putting this shit, just by having an idea of what who he was, shit he kept one as a bloody pet.

I mean, what took him years to do, a small gang of teens went about and collected his soul-hiding places in a matter of days, weeks? At least make them places were only the most hardcore wizards can get to, or where only your most dedicated cult members would try to tread to.

I know we have to make it so that protagonists actually can stop him, but it doesn't make him look or smart if he's hiding in his soul and keeping them in obvious hiding places.

It'd be like hiding your terrorist plots in your porn folder. Do you think they're not going to look in there?
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I like how we went from >>134021567
to talking about why all the females from Harry Potter are a bunch of sluts and hoes.
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>>134025725
>Weeks

It took them the entire year and they're the MCs what do you expect? Also his cult was useless as fuck at guarding his horcruxes.
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>>134025725
To be fair the one in Gringots bank wasn't a bad idea, but the fact it was so obvious which one it was in the vault because it was hogwarts based.
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>>134025725
If it were a Japanese RPG there'd be a Horcrux entrusted do Lucius Malfoy, Bellatrix Lestrange, Crabbe and Goyle Sr.s, and 2 other generic bad death eaters, and not just left unprotected.
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>>134025800
The one they found in hogwarts was very secretive too. A tiara or something guarded by a ghost? Don't remember
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>>134025841
And then Harry would just have to beat those faggots, too fucking easy.

Harry almost died several times while searching for those shits, hell his mind was going insane too, frodo-style.
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>>134025706
we're saying that it's a stupid character to make, having flaws like that. Also, considering this site is full of racist asexuals with weird skin, isn't harry potter just a propaganda piece telling children to hate people like that? If JK Rowling wasn't using her books to jumpstart hate against 4chan users, then she would have a written an interesting, nuanced magic nazi supervillain instead of a strawman caricature
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>>134021567
Archer wanting to kill his own self.
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>>134025725
>I know he's pretty prideful, but isn't he supposed to be pretty paranoid too?

And that is EXACTLY why he didn't do that. He told absolutely nobody that he had made Horcruxes. The closest he ever got to that was threatening Bellatrix to the point that she lost her shit at the mere thought of someone approaching her vault, but even she didn't know what Voldemort had hidden in it.

Voldemort trusted absolutely nobody. This was why he made Nagini: the only other being he'd trust to act as his right hand as scout was himself.

He then went and systematically killed most links to his past life, not realizing Dumbledore had beaten him to the punch and already extracted important information from them. Harry knows what he knows because Dumbledore gave him that information to him alone, and the rest because he understood his personality and knew how to get inside his head, both literally and figuratively.

As for the locations: again, if you're wondering why he went the theatrical route, you're kind of missing the entire point of the character. He's not Dark Lord Sauron, he's Tom the Dickhead Orphan, a megalomaniac psychopathic asshole who created a larger-than-life persona when he was a teenager and spent the rest of his life making himself enough of a threat that he could make others play along. That's why Dumbledore and Harry get stubborn about his name: they both realize that it's all a big fucking show for his ego, and that nothing terrifies him more than being reminded that he's actually just a guy underneath, not a supernatural monster.
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>>134025885
Yes, and you should hate inbred rednecks like /pol/tards, there's nothing wrong with that.

Nobody wants their kids to grow into useless neets that talk shit in 4chan.
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>>134025885
I don't know if you're trolling or just legit insane.
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>>134025957
isn't that why your here? cuz your never gonna have kids?
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>>134025942
Is bellatrix yandere? Why didn't Harry hatefuck her?

Why did they censor Molly using avada kedavra on her?
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>>134026034
it was the rn patch for all ages.
Harry didn't hatefuck bellatrix because she's his aunt and that'd been too weird for england
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>>134023761
If Arthur and Arturia fuck, what would Ayaka and Shirou do?
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>>134026155
>because she's his aunt

Harry has no living relatives other than Petunia. Bellatrix is Draco's aunt and Sirius' cousin.
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>>134025942
I'll concede to the points you're making.
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>>134026034
>SHE KILLED HIM!

I was pretty touched by that scene, never had seen Harry so pissed off.
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>>134026309
ah i thought bellatrix was sirius's sister, so she'd be an aunt since sirius was harry's father. sorry, completely forgot
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>>134021419
In the sense that they're both overrated garbage, yes.
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>>134026432
>Sirius was harry's father

Lily confirmed for keking James.
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>>134021419
Those similiarities are pretty vagues and found in virtually every story with magic and a few young characters.

>both depict a dangerous, yet exciting setting that pulls the viewer in
That is supposed to be bad?

Anyway, Harry Potter isn't fate.

For one, it focuses too much on prophesies.

And it keeps teasing the audience about mysteries that the audience already knows the secret to.

Tries to make every character relevant. Fate at least knows when to keep characters irrelevant, which is good.

Harry Potter's biggest mistake is not really expanding on the magic. Harry is show to do a few spells and abuses the shit out of them even know they're not useful. He'd be better off doing avada kedavra but he probably didn't because he didn't want to stoop as low as Voldemort. At least, Shirou does everything he can and uses whatever tool when shit goes down.

Also, the themes that Fate explores are more interesting.
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>>134026416
I'm pretty fucking pissed they cut out him torturing that dude for shits and giggles out of the DH movie. Book Harry is "Overall good guy, but anger dial does go all the way to murder" and the sixth book established part of his main motivations was just wanting to see Voldemort dead.

The movies just scrubbed his character squeaky clean and then they just took his virtues and gave them to Hermione.
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>>134021419

Harry Potter is not a porno OP.
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>>134026432
>ah i thought bellatrix was sirius's sister

Orion black had two sons: Sirius and Regulus. Orion's brother Sygnus had three daughters: Bellatrix, Andromeda and Narcissa.
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>>134021567
Sakura being the "villain" in HF
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>>134026500
>Fatefags honestly believe their garbage porn game is better written than Harry Potter
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>>134026500
>For one, it focuses too much on prophesies.

This is one of the most amusing bits of pop culture osmosis I've ever seen. The book does a thing, the movie fucks it up, and the current popular perception is that the book does the literal exact fucking opposite of what it actually did.

There's a whole damn scene where Dumbledore more or less beats into Harry that the prophecy mattered precisely jack fucking shit, and yet the popular understanding is that the thing was somehow important.
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>>134026633
>Harry Potter tumblrfags honestly think their YA garbage is better written than a shitty porn game
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>>134026656
>Meanwhile JK Rowling is the richest bong woman
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>>134026651
Don't bother with him, he says HP is YA garbage but you can clearly see he can't understand it.

So if he can't understand "YA garbage" what kind of argument can he ever give?
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>>134021419
Harry potter has the best games ever in gamindustry(1 and 2 for PC).

Fate has shitty games.
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>>134026711
Twilight is high literature I'm guessing?
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>>134026711
>popular = good
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Whoa, what is this >>>/lit/ shit doing here?
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>>134026775
>>134026809
You were already proven wrong by this anon >>134026651

Why do you keep going? it's pathetic, you can't understand
>YA garbage

How does that make you feel?
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>>134026880
I don't really give two shits which franchise is "better" but to argue one is better than the other due to money is retarded.
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>>134021419
EX rank Noble Phantasm coming through.
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>>134026735
I mean, REALLY. Most of the shit people get wrong about these books isn't even subtle. You can not get more in-your-face than the perpetually serene mentor getting all Ian-McKellen-Gandalf worked-up and effusively telling the main character that Thing is not important and why.

Granted, the movies REALLY fucked that shit up the cooch, but the result is that you have people who consider "The Chosen One" to have been a real plotpoint, when the books play that entire thing as a surbversion of the cliché and the actual utterance is dramatic-sounding nonsense manufactured in-universe by tabloid writers.
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>>134026925
Are you fucking stupid? I was mocking anon because he's a fucking sperg and not worth of a fucking reply because he talks about something he clearly doesn't understand.

It's not about money, it's about not falling for his bait.
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>>134026985
>I was only pretending to be retarded

Or you could just call him out on his bad argument.
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/lit/ here.

Fuck this thread.
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>>134022767
>themes

Stay Night and Zero were about what it means to be a hero. Harry Potter's world is highly immersive and heavily fleshed out, and its characters are likable, but I'd be interested to hear a perspective on why it was particularly deep. Early books were meant to be easily digestible for a young audience and its use of a standard, one dimensional, fantasy dark lord didn't really do it any favors in that department. Beyond Snape, at the very end, its goodies were good and its baddies were bad with little ponderance or ambiguity; one wonder why they didn't just axe Slytherin.
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>>134026952
The movies did explain a lot of things, people just don't understand a lot because they didn't pay attention and now like to spout memes and hate it because it's popular. Just like they did back then.

Granted they were pretty meh all of them but still, in the 4th movie you have like 10 minutes of Voldemort saying to Harry that he never survived because he was some sort of chosen one and that's just a lie. He survived because of his mother, not because he's special.
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>>134027046
How often do random YA books get discussed on /lit/ anyways? I assumed they wee just trying to make a thread to talk about it here because even lit wouldn't want to talk about the new Maximum Ride or whatever shit.
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>>134023614
Voldemort sucked.

Dumbledore and Grindelwald summer gay adventure as dark lords would have been more interesting because they had some kind of plan.
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>>134021419
HP's worldbuilding feels more natural. Fate feels like it always has a DM.
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>>134027115
Let's find out, shall we?
>>>/lit/7395529

Though, to answer your question, not often. YA and most speculative fiction is pretty stigmatized on /lit/, you'd have better luck trying to talk about anim, VNs or LNs.
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>>134024077
Dude, what? Sauron fucked around with people way better than Voldemort did. Including when he was doing his Annatar bullshit.

Remember Numeror?
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>>134026515
Wait what guy? Was it diner guy or ministry guy?
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>>134027241
Both of them fucked a lot with people.

Also, we learning about Voldemort and his family's past was great in the books. The movie really cut that short and gave it little focus.
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>>134027115
What's wrong with Maximum Ride?
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>>134027311
Not in the way Sauron used to fuck with people with before he got Dark and Firey and then became a Giant Eyeball.

Voldemort always struck me as a bitter sociopath with daddy issues while Sauron/Mairon/Annatar was a force of absolute order and industry, to the point he was a tyrant, like the dark side of capitalism and technology in middle earth. It's kind of interest to contrast him with his Master who is more chaotic evil.
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>>134027378
It was ok, like most random YA, but if you read the last volume it was a absolute trainwreck to the point of hilarity. The random angst between max and fang was pretty groan inducing too.
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>>134026942
What a shitty faker sword you got there mongrel
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>>134022767
>lying on the internet.
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>>134026942
It does absolutely nothing. It'll be B ranked at most.
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>>134027390
And Voldemort used to fuck with people when he was like 5 in an orphanage anon.

Like I said, both of them fucked people. And yes Voldemort is a psycho but not with daddy issues, mommy issues were what he had.
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>>134023942

Crashing the World
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>>134027424
Look Gil, a Snake. That sword killed it, what did you do?

>>134027445
>Does absolutely nothing

It Kills giant snakes and horcruxes
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>>134027462
That makes him a sociopath.

I just don't see it comparable with someone like Sauron or Morgoth who are more forces of nature.
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>>134027287
Neither. One of the twin Death Eaters that get put in charge of Hogwarts. His twin sister gets knocked out, Harry hides, and the brother shows up with McGonagall and panicks because his sister had called Voldemort as if they had captured Harry. Thinking it was a fuckup, he decides he's going to tell Voldemort that she got mobbed by the students who activated the mark themselves. McGonagall flips out and tells him he won't allow him to throw a bunch of kids under the bus to save his skin, and the dude just tells her to go get fucked and spits on her face.

By that point, Harry was so past pissed off with the hellhole he'd heard Hogwarts had been turned into that he just walks out of cover and casts Crucio on him.
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>>134027462
I know Rowling tried to explain the fucked up circumstances of his birth and his loveless childhood as reasons for why he's a psycho but I think he's always meant to be crazy.
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>>134027462
>a psycho but not with daddy issues

He deliberately fucked up his face to not look like his father.

Oh, also that one time he went and murdered him and all his fucking family. That had to count for something.
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>>134027511

Big deal? It's attribute would be "effective against snakes."

You're retarded if you think that shitty sword can be anymore than C, specially when has zero fame points. Have you forgotten Excalibur, the sword made by Gaia as planet-threat killer and easily destroys armies, castle, mountains, etc is A++? Also most famous sword ever.

Griffindor's sword is a cheap knock off of Caliburn and Excalibur without beam powers, in how the concept is made by Rowling, it was mean to be a reference.
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>>134027603
Comparing powerlevels between these two universes is pretty dumb, HP is generally very low on the powerlevel scale.
Dudes with guns could beat most wizards.
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>>134027445
Technically, it "takes in only that which makes it stronger"

Basically, anything that coul hurt it is instead absorbed and made a a part of the weapon.

>Kill giant poisonous snake
>Blade becomes impregnated with the most deadly venom known to man

The only reason it isn't completely broken is because the only people to use it in-universe are too purehearted/stupid to minmax.

There is a LOT of stuff in that universe that could be used to make that sword a Godkiller.
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>>134027603
This shit is why Fate is inferior.
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>>134027046

/lit/ is a cancerous place.
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What the fuck is this thread? This isn't /a/ related at all.
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Who would win in a fight between an average Nasuverse magus and an average Harry Potter wizard?
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>>134025942
>a megalomaniac psychopathic asshole who created a larger-than-life persona when he was a teenager and spent the rest of his life making himself enough of a threat that he could make others play along
Sounds like Dio.
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>>134021419
What are you talking about?
HP is a magic school battle harem.
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>>134027580
He's basically meant to be nega-Harry. Similar fucked-up childhood, completely different choices and results.

The point of the "three lost children" symbolism was that the three pretty much started in comparable situations and had similar possibilities, but Harry was the only one who didn't go the fucked-up route. Personal choice and responsibility is a big theme in the books, the idea being that life deals you shitty cards sometimes, but what you do with them is up to you.
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>>134027621
>There is a LOT of stuff in that universe that could be used to make that sword a Godkiller.

Anti-Divine weapons aren't weird in Fate, anon. It's fairly common.

And as bottom rule it's pretty much a knock of Excalibur. Harry himself is poor ya wizard's version of King Arthur. There are clear parallels Rowling was setting. He even married Ginevra (one of Guinevere's name).
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>>134027682
Can Dio kill wizards?
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>>134027287
>Harry shouted, “ Crucio! ” The Death Eater was lifted off his feet. He writhed through the air like a drowning man, thrashing and howling in pain, and then, with a crunch and a shattering of glass, he smashed into the front of a bookcase and crumpled, insensible, to the floor.
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Grindelwald had more of a strong personality in a short cameo than Voldemort had in all his appearances.
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>>134027699
>Harry will get NRT'd by his universe's Lancelot.
I'm ok with this.
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>>134027718
Can vampires and ghosts kill wizards?
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>>134025852
It was some ancient relic tiara in the segred room Harry used for Dumbledore's Army which apparently Voldemort assumed nobody would be able to find.
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>>134027618
HP has the three curses and the deathly hallows though.

Also Dementors are beyond broken.
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>>134027746
Grindelwald was Albus' foil (and love interest), most respected wizard of that time.

Voldemort foil was Harry Potter...
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>>134027603
>Beam powers

This is the most retarded shit ever. I can't believe you defend a series where the ultimate power is shooting laser beams.

>>134027699
Except it's not anti-divine, it's anti everything.
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>>134027781
>Also Dementors are beyond broken.

Because they eat souls? All Servants can eat souls with ease: because they are spirits. It's their nourishment. Most are too moralfag to do it.
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>>134027781
The killing curse is slower than a bullet and I'm pretty sure you have to be up close and concentrated to use the other two curses. The ring sucks and the cloak has limited usefulness, leaving the wand as the most useful but it can also be broken.

How do you counter Dementors again?
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>>134027882
>How do you counter Dementors again?

The Patronus.
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>>134027857
I think he was comparing to muggles anon.
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>>134027603
Fucking mongrel. That cheap faker Excalibur isn't effective against snakes, it's power is it absorbs foreign elements like the Basilisk venom making it effective against Horcruxes.

Any sword could have beheaded the basilisk. It's just only important because it has end game potential against Voldemort.

>On a side note, EMIYA made the fake Sword of Gryffindor
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>>134027857
Because they're amortal and can fuck with your mind just by being a few blocks where you are.

Unless servants know how to do patronus they're getting fucked by dementors unless you want to pull Gate of Asspull take a weapon that can kill dementors because reasons
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>>134027924
Yeah, but isn't that the user's willpower or spirit or something?
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>>134027941
>On a side note, EMIYA made the fake Sword of Gryffindor

It was his poor attempt of making Excalibur, his true love.
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Oh god we've moved on to the portion of the evening where we wank our preferred series' powerlevels for no reason other than competitiveness
Having higher powerlevels isn't inherently a good thing guys
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>>134027962
Read the wikia, it's very complete.
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>>134027949
What is magic resistance?
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>>134027992
It always devolves into this when you have Fatefags.
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>>134027992
Fatefags have nothing else that can put them above anything, just read the guy saying laser beams are cool.
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>>134027781
The Cloak is basically the Cape of Hades from Prisma which is actually pretty good.
I have no idea the hell the ring would even do in most cases except to A. bring back a dead mentor to ask a question or B. drive yourself to suicide. The superwand is like a flat x2 on whatever you cast which granted can be pretty powerful.
Dementors are like a wildcard and just sort of there as a super dangerous monster, I don't think you can actually subjugate them and I'm not sure they're even fully sentient.
>>134027882
You hit them with a patronus.
>>134027949
Dementors are more or less dread wraiths who don't get fucked by the sun and make shit foggy, presumably you could hit them with holy magic since Patronus is concentrated willpower or some other BS.
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>>134027992
>potterfag butthurt his characters powerlevel is nowhere near as strong as fate's
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>>134028037
What are you talking about? it has nothing to do with magic.
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>>134027979
Will Archer ever get to be with Saber?
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>>134027949
I don't think they can even affect Servants. Most are either monsters or fought shit scarier and more powerful than they can be.

I mean Arturia herself defeated all magic and darkness of Britain and toppled the age of gods and mystery.

You're forgetting Servants aren't exactly normal people, and most have attributes to kill the fuck of them. Seiba could just excaliblast the shit of them, I don't even think she needs to, she just needs to show her shiny sword of hopes and ideals and all things warmth and all of them would be fucked.

I imagine them fucked against Sakura too, considering what she can do.
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>>134028060

Nothing has powerlevels as strong as Fate.
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>>134027924
>>134028050
Remind me, is there a way to actually kill Dementors? I seem to recall Patronus just scaring them off but I don't remember Dementors actually getting hurt.
>>134028066
Emotional damage would probably come off as an AoE passive.
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>>134028084
Solos the Fateverse
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>This talk about dementors

I was like 10 when the movie came out and I was scared to death. Fuck those shits they're SCARY.
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>>134027621
>Power up Sword of Gryffindor with all sorts elements to make it destroy anything
>Use it against Herakles and his Godhand

Can it nuke all of his lives or will he become immuned to it because he tanks it with enough lives?
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>>134028084
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>>134028084
「Hi there!」
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Can Shiki kill killing curses?
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>>134028084
Are you serious?
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>>134028125

She's part of the overall Fate Universe though. Also Arc a cute.
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>>134027699
Anti-divine weapons aren't weird in the Nasuverse.

Anti-divine weapons are indeed weird in Fate, something like Kansho and Bakuya(originals) belong to the realm of gods.

Only few faggots have something divine/anti divine and the ones that have it are nerfed or they're divine themselves.
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>>134028125
That's Nasuverse, although I guess he did specifically say Fateverse.
>>134028123
Doubt it could burn through 12 Heracles lives, since you have to hit him with A ranks for it to matter.
>>134028144
Presumably if he could see it coming. AK seems to be not that fast.
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>>134028146

Between the Heroic Spirits, the True Ancestors and of the course the Types, yes. Nothing has powerlevels quite like Type Moon.
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>>134028108
>Remind me, is there a way to actually kill Dementors?

Not into powerlevels, but they are wraiths. Servants are basically op ghosts that materialize and do feed on wraiths and other shit. They affect the spiritual creatures.

I think they would end up as meals to Rider, Gilgamesh or Caster.
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In case a straightforward metaphor in a goddamn YA book is once again proving too fucking complex, Dementors are indestructible because they're despair incarnate. You can't brute-force despair away, you can only counter it by focusing on the good in your life. Hence why the Patronus pushes them away.

THIS ISN'T FUCKING FINNEGANS' WAKE YOU FUCKS
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>>134028144
can shiki see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
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>>134028176
Warhams.
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>>134028144
Sure. Can Accelerator do it? Is magic a vector?
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>>134028007
Just refreshed my memory. Reminds me of Stands but less spiritual energy and more positive emotion.

>>134028084
This is a new one to me.
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>>134028177
Dementos do not have a concept of death, they exist in a state of unbirth.

You can't kill them anon, stop saying they're wraiths because you fucking think they are.
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>>134028177
Yeah, but since Patronus is basically a light magic familar and it doesn't do anything except make them run away I'm not sure they have normal wraith weaknesses.
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>>134028144
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>>134028176
Holy shit you're new.
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>>134028176
Goku can kill all of them and their verse with a punch.

There's a demonbane that already killed them all while another demonbane has them as pets.
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>>134028084
Even the lowest powerlevel xianxia (chink powerlevel books) have far higher powerlevels than fate. Also most American comic books.
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>>134028186
>they're despair incarnate
In that case Gilgamesh gives exactly zero fucks about Dementors while Saber gets OHKO'd by them.
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>>134028186
>You can't brute-force despair away, you can only counter it by focusing on the good in your life
That's deep, yo.
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>>134028084
You mocking me?
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They aren't even comparable. For one F/SN didn't make Nasu a billionaire, it made him a lot of money but the scale of the two franchise are completely different.
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Does "Serious Gilgamesh" exist?
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>>134028225
Why is Aselia so high?
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>>134028176
Kumagawa alone wins loses specatularly against them.
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>>134028279
CCC.
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>>134028247
I know you're joking but it's a symbolism
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>>134028275

Is he a Japanese Billionaire? A Billion Yen isn't much though compared to a Billion Dollars/Pounds/Euros.
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>>134028208
>do not have a concept of death
So Dementors can counter Shiki's eyes? Fucking shit.
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>>134028279
Yes, he still jobs.
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>>134028225
Hey it got updated.
>>134028279
In CCC he drops what appears to be the universe's timeline on the final boss.
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>>134028341
He's just out of shape
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>>134028345
He doesn't do that. Gilfags already started with the Galaxy/universe buster gilgamesh.

Stop now.
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>>134028247
Didn't Gil's status page say he died from grief or the like after the snake stole his immortality trinket? Demontors just show him that or Enikidu dying, it'd fuck him up all the same.
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>>134028208
>>134028186
>dementors can't be outright killed, at least in HPverse
>we know they're capable of reproducing
This brings horrifying implications to light. Though I wonder if AK might work since it seems to be hax in itself.
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>>134028225
>Ilias
She does not belong that high.
>>134028365
The shitty graphics looked like that. Kiara stuffs the Earth into her vag too.
>>134028377
I thought in Nasuversion he more or less said 'lol so that's what it is I never needed immortality'.
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>>134028388
They probably wither away if there's not enough despair to feed on or something
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>>134021419
Both are shit, so, yeah.
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>>134028388
The number grow and wane. Again, they're incarnated despair. It's not a coincidence that they reproduce just as everything is going to shit and people are becoming desperate.
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>>134028388
It's debatable whether or not you can even hit them with AK.
>>134028405
What happens when Dementors despair because they're all starving
Do they get stronger or weaker?
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>>134028405
I think they're just assholes and don't really feed on it though, more like parts of nature or something.
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>>134028377
Nah, it stuck mostly with the original myth where Gil got over his mortality and instead worked to be a, somewhat, decent ruler.

The guy was stuck in All the Evils etc. Dementors are small time.
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>>134028398
I think it got retconned to that later yeah, Enikidu would still work though, don't think the "stayed crying for three days as he fell apart" thing was changed at least.
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>>134028225
Hey Ya doesn't belong there. The Stand just gives advice and cheers and can't predict the supernatural actions of others.
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>>134028435
He got over it though, the ending ended up being 'everyone dies and everyone grieves, we only got one life and just need to fucking deal with it'
Seiba was the exact opposite and could never fucking let go.
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>>134028225
That's so wrong it's not even funny.
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>>134028435
Dementors are nowhere near Angra Mainyu in terms of magnitude, grail diarrhea physically burns you because of how toxic and cancerous reality can be.
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>>134028070
Nah, CG Emiya gets NTR'd by Shirou when he finds Saber in Avalon.
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What's up with Fatefags and powerlevel wanking?
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>>134028490
There's lots of debatable shit on that chart especially since we don't know how conflicting systems carry (like, for example, how Crowley's ability to fuck with memes and Jungian Archetypes would compare with other worlds) but it remains a fact that Fate is nowhere near the top.
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>>134028523
It's the only thing Fate has that can make them compete with other metaverses.
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>>134027445
The sword only absorbs that which strengthens it. It is, thusly, virtually unbreakable. Any good properties that come in contact with the blade are imprinted on it as its characteristics. Any bad property doesn't do jack diddly squat.

It's an infinite progression sword.
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>>134028500
So can Black Sakura beat them?
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>>134028539
I imagine Sakura would be classified as some sort of Super Dementor due to having Angra's bigger and better version of despair, sadness, anger, etc., so maybe?
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>>134028194
>Is magic a vector?
If it has a direction and a magnitude, then yes, yes it is.
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>>134028536
But that's just it, they can't compete, Fateverse is low-tier as fuck powerlevel-wise.

It's more like things like MEoDP and NPs are chuuni as fuck so it's fun to talk about.
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>>134028500
Yeah they're different though is the idea. Angra Manyu corrupts you with other people's sincs and dementors if I remember just feed you images of despair. All I was saying is Gil has certainly been affected by despair before, so even if he can shrug off everyone else in the world being a dick I figured it might be a different story to have to confront bad times he's had again.
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>>134028539
You can't "beat" them, you can probably shoo em away for a while unless there's a bunch of them and they all suck your soul while fucking with your mind.
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>>134028566
Does it have a magnitude though? It's not light since the beam doesn't move at light speed, it may as well be a tracer that instantly applies effect on impact.
>>134028572
Angra feeds you the evil of the entire world, including ones you've committed, the ones you're going to commit, etc. as well as shit you never even knew about.
Gil's defense is saying 'I am so glorious I cannot be assed to feel despair', and again he's gotten over both Enkidu and his mortality.
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>>134028583
Black Sakura might be able to consume them though, shallow despair would be easily subsumed by a far greater despair.
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>>134028614
Feeding you evils has nothing to do with what dementors do though.

Why are you comparing it?
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>>134028435
Found what I was talking about. It might have gotten changed later but there's some merit to thinking grief would affect Gil.
>>134028614
Accelerator literally has reflected magic before so the conversation is fruitless.
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>>134028633
Jesus the despair thing is a symbolism, I know fatefags are not very intelligent but you really need to get things explained to you damn it.
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Why does Gil give rape vibes to Sakura?
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>>134028570
Fateverse has some weird gimmicks that are basically entry-level versions of being able to fuck something much bigger and stronger than you
>>134028640
Dementors make you feel despair, Patronus wards off despair through willpower, hence someone who can ward off despair through their force of will shouldn't be affected by Dementors.
If they're despair incarnate, then Patronus is willpower incarnate.
>>134028650
Huh. I'm p. sure it got retconned but I'll go dig for it.
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>Why doesn't Emiya use the stone of Resurrection to revive and break his CG contract?

>Why doesn't Emiya steal the Philosopher's Stone and recreate a body to break his contract?

>Why doesn't Emiya get sent to kill Voldemort in a Counter Guardian Mission?

>Why doesn't Emiya just nuke the ground zero of Dark Mark with Caladbolg?

>Why doesn't Emiya trace the Elder Wand?

>Why doesn't Emiya use Rule Breaker on Voldemort to un anchor his Horcruxes?
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>>134028676
Nice art.
>>134028685
>>Why doesn't Emiya get sent to kill Voldemort in a Counter Guardian Mission?
Because old Voldie isn't a threat to humanity, silly!
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>>134028676

She knows rape intimately.
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>>134028669
Yeah but she could still consume them probably.
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>>134028685

Frodo?
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>>134028669
If they're purely and completely symbolic of despair then discussing them at all is pointless because they don't even exist in the normal sense.
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>implying soul sucking is strong
Even kids in YuGiOh get their souls permanently sucked out and devoured.
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>>134028709
HF manga looks great
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What's the point of comparing the power levels of Harry Potter to Fate when even the fodder heroes of the HST can solo the HPverse?
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>>134028790
And some people are claiming they can't apparently.
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>>134027072
Fate/Zero had a much more impactful message about heroes for me personally. Fate/Stay Night was a good story about 'a man that chooses to save others before himself' story, but in the end it was pretty clear that Shirou didn't change that much at all. Meanwhile, Kiritsugu had so much character development and depth that, when he finally realized that his dream was folly, his despair absolutely carried to the audience.
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>>134028790
Any HST MC can solo F/SN cast.
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>>134026155
but fucking a pig isn't?
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>>134028790
I don't think anyone is comapring HPverse to Nasuverse, there's just some people going on about how Dementors would work.
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>>134027941
>tfw Neville is Shirou
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>>134027882
>The killing curse is slower than a bullet

Considering Rider's pegasus is only subsonic yet is one of the fastest shits ever I'd say Fate is garbage.
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>>134028788
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>>134028788

That Manga is killing my liver, one issue at a time.
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lolo
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>>134028819
The thing is, I think you might be confusing change for development.

Just because Shirou didn't fundamentally alter his goals doesn't mean he didn't develop. His whole arc, in UBW at least, was about seeing all the potential perils of his dream, and even looking into the literal face of his future. He's told he'll suffer, he'll, and in the end, he may not achieve what he truly wants, but Shirou, weighing all that, chooses to persevere, because he knows what he's aiming for isn't a mistake.

Keep in mind, that's just UBW.
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>>134028225
Why is Arturia not classed as a weapon user as well? She clearly is a proficient swordsman.
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>>134028916
He's told he'll suffer, he'll kill*
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>>134028867
The real question is whether or not voldie can buff his dynamic vision, since servants move so fast you can't see them and you have shit like God Hand and Fragarach (which probably recognizes AK as a trump card)
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>>134028819
I almost bored myself to death with Fate/Zero it was uninteresting, boring and just plain bad.

Watched it 1 year ago and I can't remember shit about it, it was just THAT forgettable. No character made an impression on me, no plot point did it, nothing.
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>>134028770
No, they go to the shadow realm.
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>>134028916
Most people think "character development" = "characters changing" because it's easier to think about in those terms
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>>134028976
Also because every literature teacher up to senior high and sometimes even university tends to spout that.
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>>134028685
>Reminder that if Archer traced his Elder Wand to use Avada Kadavera he'd have won the war in 3 days
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>>134029010
>trace Elder Wand
>use it as an arrow while casting Avada Kadavra at the same time
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>>134028685
>>Why doesn't Emiya use Rule Breaker on Voldemort to un anchor his Horcruxes?
It doesn't work like that you little shit
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>>134029004
>>134028976
That's because character development is character changing, what it isn't necessarily is character changing dramatically.
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>>134029027
I know it's not really relevant, but is there anything like antimagic in HP? I don't recall anything of the sort except the Shield spell.
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>>134028583
Anon, Sakura has Imaginary Numbers which means she can fuck with any Ether being as long as she is super powered.

Dementors would be her bitches.
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>>134029034
Character development could honestly be as simple as the character learning something new, although you usually don't note that down as development unless what they learned matters.
Technically Harry learning that Uncle Vernon's favorite brand of cologne is no longer sold in stores would be character development, although it's on an utterly irrelevant level.
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>>134025852
>obvious the room was used by people hiding shit for hundreds of years
>Nevermind. Perfect place to hide a Horcrux. No one ever found this place but me.
Was Voldemort retarded?
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>>134029100
Such a stupid fucking name, it sounds like what'd happen if Monogatari went shonen.
At least it beats the Average One which apparently means the Excellent One.
>>134029106
He's hiding a leaf in a massive fucking forest during the autumn.
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>>134028976
Even if you want to go that route, Shirou still does change in UBW.

One of the things about Shirou and his ideal is, that while he believes in it in the beginning of the story, depending on the route and the situations that go on, it either starts to waver, or harden.

You can even see this in UBW even, he's presented with a situation where he has to choose between Taiga and the town, and with Shirou's character still in flux, he chooses Taiga.

The thing is though, Shirou's resolve hardens after that. He's put to the test after losing Saber, and having to deal with Caster, Archer, and finally Gil. By the end, his belief in his ideal is absolute.
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>>134028944
Any Servant with Magic Resistance would fuck him.

Picking on Voldemort is like bullying when a baby and 11 years old can beat him.
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>>134029127
Yeah, but Voldemort acted as though he was the only person to find that place or something.
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>>134028959
>No character made an impression on me

>not being impressed by based Iskandar, the King of Conquerors

You might have shit taste, Anon.
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>>134029027
You don't fucking know that.
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>>134029199
Or it might be bait, why everyone else ignored it.
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>>134029162
Does magic resistance include instakill resistance though? It's like every spell in HP is meh tier at best and all of sudden you have a single spell that amounts to http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Power_Word_Kill.
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>>134029199
He's very generic though, like a shonen MC. He's likeable but honestly didn't leave any impression on me at all, he even died like a bitch and Gilgamesh wasn't trying
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>>134029168
I don't remember what the scene was but didn't Harry note that hiding it in the room was a really good idea on Voldemort's part, because of all the fucking junk and having to find a single shiny piece of rubbish in a mountain range of garbage?
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>>134029218

The curse is "I hit you with a bullet tier." Something as weakass as what Lily pulled on him can fuck it up.
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>>134029102
Or him learning that Ginny has a crush on him, which was irrelevant at the time.
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>>134029217
Why would it be bait? I genuinely didn't care at all about F/Z. And it's not because of long dialogues and shit, I like F/SN, F/Z is just plain uninteresting and even more if you've already seen butcher's garbage.
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>>134029234
Using Ea in and of itself meant Gilgamesh was trying.
>>134029250
I still don't know why Lily's thing worked. Wasn't that fucking spell supposed to be unblockable and unmitigatable?
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>>134029250
>Ancient as shit love magic
>Weakass
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>>134029244
Plus the fact that you can make the room of requirement anything means that unless you knew what Voldemort needed the room of requirement you may not even be in its proper state to even go looking for it.

>Room of Requirement is Unlimited Trash Works
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>>134029278
Because LOVE, and Lily was hot.
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>>134029234
>he even died like a bitch and Gilgamesh wasn't trying
Kind of the point, he's a bigger-than-life human trying to reach someone standing on a different level entirely.
>>134029282
I don't think older automatically equals better in HP, it felt like Power of Love was literally the one thing that could save against it.
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>>134029300
So what, the love magic just gives the target suck a massive boner he zaps his own cock instead of the target?
Asian Voldemort when
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>>134029282
>Gilgamesh has ancient magic such as Power word Live in Gate of Babylon along with prototype Noble Phantasms

>Disguise it as his chains Enkidu

And that's why he never died until HGW 5, his pal shielded him with Love.
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>>134029350
Somehow doubt Gilgamesh had Love on his side after slighting Ishtar so hard she threw an Amaterasu-tier bitchfit.
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How the fuck is this thread still alive?
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>>134028230
Prove it.
Show us that demonbane.
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>>134029389
It exploded somewhere around 250 posts because powerlevel wanking started.
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>>134029406
There's a demonbane that doesn't let me do it.
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>>134029459
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>>134029482
There's an old man that's fucking Rin. Just wanted to point that out
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>>134029482
Would Rin have made a better Heromine?
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>>134029516
Not in her route.
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>>134029526
Too unrealistic.
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>>134029526
Would Kotomine have made a better Snape?
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>>134029537
She told Shirou she'll go back to the clock tower eventually, she already fucked a bunch of old men and Waver in order to be able to come back.
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>>134021419
Harry Potter is the master of death.

Shirou cooks good food.
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>>134029526
Rin makes everything better, because Rin is the best.
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>>134021419
OP, are you trying to turn me off the FS/N series? I wanted to give the series (starting with the VN) a serious try but the prologue (only thing I've read so far) doesn't make me want to read this magical fantasy garbage. If it's of the same level as HP (which I enjoyed as a kid, but it's still really bad literature), I'm not going to try it anytime soon.
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>>134029580
[citation needed]
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>>134030529
The Old Men stuff has always been bull, but Rin did mention she'll probably eventually settle at the Clocktower after adventuring with Shirou.

They'll still be together, but Shirou has hero business.
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I always thought Harry and Hermione had the best chemistry. They were both muggle raised, their personalities balanced each other it while being similar enough to be on the same page, supported each other with great heart to hearts and stuck with each other through a load of shit

Every pairing was a mistake
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>>134030642
Naruto shipping wars have nothing on the Harry Potter shipping wars.
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>>134024685
>but does NaruSaku do as well?
Probably not, because all the fans killed themselves over it.
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>>134027072
Harry Potter has the best treatment of race relations I've seen in a work of fiction.
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>>134025290
What hilarious is that this honestly matches his book personality far better than the movies do.
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>>134030709
You mean the whole muggle/pure blood thing? Or the random snippets we heard about centaurs and the like? I can't remember anything special about either of those in the books.
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Threads like this make me realize that we need a Harry Potter anime.
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>>134030819
I thought Little Witch Academia sufficed.
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>>134030817
>You mean the whole muggle/pure blood thing?
No. You forget about house elves?
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>>134030893
That was contained in the "snippets of other races" statement. In what way is the house elves the best race relations you've seen? Certainly not based on how well they got along since they're basically slaves, they're not exactly super detailed about it either, what about it is special compared to any other work?
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>>134030819
>Ginny now calls Harry with SENPAI
Please, no.
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>>134021419
>power hungry villains after the MC's life
But neither of the villains in F/SN were powerhungry or after the MC's life specifically.
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>>134029526

Depends, would a bisexual female character mean the main character is kek'd?
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>>134030991
What the fuck is wrong with senpai? Are you triggered by honorifics?
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>>134031031
Not that guy, but we'll all be triggered by "senpai" once the Heaven's Feel movie comes out.

Reminder that for episode 1 alone, the senpai counter peaked at 17.
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>>134030991
>Ginny now calls Harry with SENPAI
>Ginny calls Harry SENPAI
>Sakura calls Shirou SENPAI

Holy Shit Fate = Harry Potter
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>>134028285
Extra material revealed that her Eternity Sword is actually an unawakened version of one of the few Rank 1 (or was it Rank 0?) Eternity Swords. When she has access to its full power, she's a casual universe buster.
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>>134023336
this desu. When Shiki gets headaches and shit its sometimes because of Roa, same as the scar. When I read the Ciel route I remember thinking it was some kind of harry potter shit
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>>134031130

Just you wait. I'm doing the Senpai Drinking Game when those movies come out. I hope /a/ does a stream of it at a reasonable hour so I can drink along with everyone until I'm comatose.
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>>134028341
I fap to this image literally every time I see it.
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>>134024847
Isn't it great?
You can't even discuss HP on /lit/.
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>>134028819
>Kiritsugu
>when he finally realized that his dream was folly
You mean since the beginning of the series?
He always knew his dream was bullshit, the HGW was his last reminding childish hope of it being posible.
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>>134024978
First off, you're a virgin posting on /a/ who has rationalized the fact that the only person who would ever date you is a whore.

Secondly, the series has all the characters meet their spouses at age 11 and date them by age 15/16. Having them date another person first doesn't make it more realistic, kid.
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>>134022900
This so much.
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>>134031502
The last book was a masterpiece. The penultimate book was kind of mediocre, but it was supposed to be more lighthearted to give you reprieve from the super dark books 5 and 7.
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>>134031531
>The last book was a masterpiece
There are people that actually believe this
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>>134031571
Yes, it's called "most of humanity". It was the best selling book of its year by far and received universal critical praise.

> BUT LE TWILIGHT ARGUMENTIM ADD POPULARIUM HERPA DA DOOP DE DOP DE DOOPITY DEE DOP DOO XD
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So is /a/ now the board to discuss Harry Potter on?
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>>134031571
Good Shirou. Saved.
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>>134031606
>best selling
>universal critical praise
Well I guess Attack on Titan is a masterpiece then.
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>>134031606
>It sold a lot so it's good
Twilight and 50 shades confirmed masterpieces
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>>134031606
>Best Selling.

Normally this would be an argument in favor but you realise this was the last book of a critically acclaimed series right? It could have been filled with complete dogshit and it would have sold a ludicrous amount.
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>>134031639
>>BUT LE TWILIGHT ARGUMENTIM ADD POPULARIUM HERPA DA DOOP DE DOP DE DOOPITY DEE DOP DOO XD
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>>134031684
At least try
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>>134031669
The last Hunger Games movie is going to end up with the worst box office, because it really isn't that good.

Most people believe Deathly Hallows lived up to the hype.
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>>134031612
Obviously.
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>>134031684
You really need to go back to reddit. You're reinforcing the fact that all Harry Potter fans are autistic.
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>>134031712
Thing is everyone who read the books already knows Mockingjay was shit. No one knew what the Harry Potter book was going to be like.
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>>134031735
>>134031707
Sorry, but you're community college dropouts who are shitposting on /a/. If you truly and honestly think that you can fallback on

>BUT LE TWILIGHT

whenever you're losing an argument, then you need to fuck off back to reddit.
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>>134031755
It's just an easy example anon. The fact remains that saying a book sold well is no argument for it's quality, much like saying something didn't sell well doesn't automatically mean it's shit. The fact you don't already know this simple fact is why I have to resort to comparisons of well known examples in the first place.
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>>134031732

>TFW when you realise Hermione would do well to be voiced by Rie Kugimiya
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>>134031606
"Most of humanity" hasn't even read Harry Potter.
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>>134027691
Did Harry really make his choices though? He just acted "keikakku-doori" as Dumbledore was his puppeteer. I'd argue that Harry never really made a single choice in his own life of his own volition.
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>>134031829

What book has the most people worldwide who can read probably read?
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>>134031859
The Bible/Quran/some other religious text would be my guess
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>>134031793
No, it's the complete opposite. Sales and quality are among the most correlated properties in existence. Sales aren't 100% proof of quality, but they are strong evidence of such.

Screaming "TWILIGHT" is something a remedial faggot does when he can't argue why something sucks. It's a mindless, empty, illogical shitpost that should result in a three day ban at least.

What makes it worse is that Twilight IS a quality work of fiction if you understand what it is. It's wish fulfillment for preteen and teenage girls. It's probably the most shlicked to book of the 21st Century. If anyone could write wish fulfillment that good, everyone would be getting rich. But they aren't.
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>>134021419
Harry Potter is a children's book series.
You wouldn't see children reading Fate.
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>>134031859
Arguably the best chuuni trainwreck humanity ever produced.
Adaptation by Madhouse when?
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>>134031890
Harry Potter is written for children and adults.

Fate is written for Nasu and other manchildren.
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>>134031886
I thought it was 50 shades.
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>>134031886
>Wish fulfillment shit is quality fiction
Just because it reaches to a large audience doesn't mean it's good anon, same deal with SAO. But you can keep thinking sales = quality all you want, just try to keep it to the stalker threads.
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>>134031886
Am I to understand you're trying to suggest Naruto is good, and/or better than something like Texhnolyze because it was far more successful?
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>>134031139
But Harry is Saber, not Shirou.
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>>134031976
Who is Shirou?
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>>134021419
Harry Potter actually has good plot and Fate is fan service shit for pedos.
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