Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1309

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Plan your work for today and every day, then work your plan.

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>don't wanna learn 捺印 because it seems useless
>need 捺 for my kanji grid

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I am here for the sole purpose of making fun of this retard.

>>134004793
I dunno man at this point you're super butthurt, if you're the guy who typed that "I bet you have lots of friends" post last thread, that was really embarrassing for YOU, I mean c'mon, grow up a little

If you want to define difficulty as "how much time does it take to learn", programming languages don't even begin to compare to normal language obviously. Learning a programming language, learning a normal language, neither is difficult in and of itself. The difficult part is what you use the language for. It's a tool, nothing else.

>>134004853
>If you want to define difficulty as "how much time does it take to learn"
That's a bad definition of difficulty

>>134004841
I am glad to see that you started using punctuation, at least partially.

I'm not even part of the original argument which sparked this, I just like to make fun of people who call others retards while writing like a twelve-year old.

>>134004898
That's someone else, mate.

>>134004898
Not that guy. I am a third party who felt compelled to speak.
> I just like to make fun of people who call others retards while writing like a twelve-year old.
I mean, seriously, did you not feel embarrassed typing this? Are you just oblivious to how immature it sounds? Well, whatever, I guess I'm getting wrapped up in this too, so I'll stop posting. Live well anon.

>>134004919
Take a chill pill, son.

>>134004919
>I mean, seriously, did you not feel embarrassed typing this?
No, I don't feel embarrassed calling idiots out on their hypocrisy.

Is there any reason I should?

A friend of mine asked me to translate the following sentence for a tattoo: "There's no love without suffering. There's no happiness without family".
(I know it sounds retarded, but whatever)
Do you think
"苦しみのない愛、
家族のない幸せ、
どちらもありえない。"
is acceptable?

>>134005096
Why the fuck would you get a tattoo in a language which you can't understand.

>>134005153
because japanese is the supreme

>>134005153
Because white trash

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>>134004956
god i bet u fucking jack off to plato

>>134005096
苦しみのなかった愛、
家族のない幸せ、
どちらもありえじゃない
There you go.

>>134005218
That didn't answer my question.

>>134005153
That's what I told him in the first place, but he insisted.
Also, there are a lot of people who do that.
>>134005236
Thank you, i think なかった makes more sense here rather than ない.

>>134005254
>"Am I autistic"
Ye ur an autist
See
>>134004919

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>>134005236
>ありえじゃない

>>134005311
Hey, I don't think he's autistic. If you want to know the truth, I think he's a teen, given that he saw nothing wrong with what he typed.

>>134005323
I think that's a typo, I wouldn't change ありえない.

> tfw can read shit but can't understand shit

how long must I suffer until something miraculously snaps in my brain and I can fluently read Japanese?

>>134005311
Who are you quoting?

>>134005354
>given that he saw nothing wrong with what he typed

Probably because someone would have pointed it out by now if there actually were anything wrong with it.

But all I've seen so far were meager implications, thus I see nothing wrong with my post.

>>134005354
He's probably just fucked up and in a bad place but it's still fun to poke at like
>>134005414
lol did that just happen

Am I back in middle school?

>>134005426
>lol did that just happen
Did what just happen?

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, or for someone to tell me what's wrong with calling idiots such as you out on their idiocy.

>>134004741
>it seems useless
Here's a hint about words like these: You're always wrong.

>>134005457
>I'm still waiting for an answer to my question
Give it time

>>134005096
>どちらもありえない
ありえないかも知れない、多分。
feels more Japanese

>>134005493
I'd rather not when you're right here to answer it.

>>134005457
>or for someone to tell me what's wrong with calling idiots such as you out on their idiocy.
I mean c'mon... are you doing this on purpose?
>>134005493
Explaining would be fruitless, it's a matter of wisdom and perspective, I think it's a thing you either get or you don't, and if someone doesn't get it then they just don't get it.

>>134005309
>I think なかった makes more sense here rather than ない.

It doesn't

>>134005448
Yes, in the fucking middle school anime club.

>>134005397
Did you grind grammar?

>>134005508
I believe you mean to say ありえないことはないかもしれないと思わなくもない

>>134005530
>are you doing this on purpose?
Why are you evading the question I asked you?

Give me a proper answer or don't bother replying.

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Maybe you could take this utterly pathetic middle school tier drama to someplace that isn't the japanese learning thread on /a/?

>>134005478
Let me rephrase, it's not useless, but compared to other words it has far less use.

>>134005581
lmao

>>134005531
Hello N5.

>>134005632
Thanks for continuously proving your mental retardation.

You can go back to shitposting now.

>>134005633
classic mt stupid here.

苦しみのない - tens of thousands of hits
苦しみのなかった - seven hits
I mean, that's pretty telling

>>134005725
Context is the key.

>>134005784
The major hit is 苦しみのない世界 which is similar enough.
The guy who typed なかった also said ありえじゃない so I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him

>>134005784
Not really. Even when "past tense" is correct, you would still use 苦しみのない in the majority of cases.

For example 苦しみのない人生だった as opposed to 苦しみのなかった人生だった

In the sentence the discussion is about, with 愛, you wouldn't even use the past tense in English.

>>134006418
How fast can you read those sentences on the right? Is it at an enjoyable speed?

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>>134002247
>418 down, 54 to go
wew

Reading Theology and Philsophy must be so fucking tedious in Japanese.

Nips love leaving shit out because of context. Imagine that combined with the absolutely drivel that theologians/philosophers come out with. Bet it's the most pretentious thing on the planet

>>134005096
oh my fucking god

come on man why the fuck do people even do this

>>134006418
俺（おれ）

>>134005153
It makes normies feel more cultured. Tons of them get retarded Chinese characters or Buddhist philosophy written in fucking Sanskrit or some shit written on their skin.

>>134006603
Very, takes less than a minute per page

>>134005096
>A friend of mine asked me to translate the following sentence for a tattoo: "There's no love without suffering. There's no happiness without family".
渡しわ中国人の子供を食べました

>>134006875
綿し輪西京です

>>134006418
Is OreImo the easiest well-known LN series?

>>134006875
A ferry ate Chinese kids?

>>134006875
>中出しの喜び

>>134006937
Most well known LN series are easy

What anime are you watching raw?

I'm watching OPM now that i caught up on yryr and gochiusa

I haven't been to DJT in 2 months or something, did anything interesting happened?

>>134007068
no

>>134007068
Steve died

>>134007068
That one cunt finally got through all the episodes of Conan.

>>134007092
Fuck you that scared me

>>134007068
Navyfag is still in the Navy and was banned from at least two other generals.

>>134005096
バカ外人
ちんぽ大好き
精液を打っ掛けて大好き

>>134007068
I learned Japanese

>>134007340
I know if takes natives 20 years to learn 400 kanji, so nice job!

>>134005572
ありえるような、ありえないような．．．

I've been doing all my reps at 3-4am every day.

I don't think this is healthy.

>>134007519
Nothing wrong with getting up early. First to knock, first to be admitted!

>>134007519
Split man. Split.
Wake up, do 1/3.
Middle of the day, when you're back from work or school, 1/3.
Before bed, last 1/3.

If you're a NEET you can split it even more.

>>134007588
2/3 in the morning, 1/6 during the day, 1/6 in the evening is the best.

>>134007574
It's before I sleep.

>>134007588
I did my mined deck when I woke up. Pretty strange huh.

Did someone upload the graded readers for CoR yet?

>>134007998
What's the point

Manga is a thing, you know

>>134008053
Manga don't have audio cds though.

>>134008123
You can watch anime then.

>>134008160
Anime doesn't have official subtitles most of the time though.

>>134008214
Read a voiced VN then

>>134008214
Crunchyroll is official.

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>>134008214
You can read VNs then. Seriously why are you making so many excuses? You aren't going to learn anything at this rate.

>>134008238
I don't like the genres though.

>>134008239
In Japanese.

>>134008214
Find a series where the anime and manga match up well. Then you have audio and transcript.

>>134008274
You'll never learn Japanese. Better give up now instead of wasting your time.

>>134008337
Okay.

>>134008398
You aren't supposed to say okay. What I want to see is "No sensei, I can and will do it!".

>>134008274
>I don't like the genres though.

Now you're just looking for excuses...there's a VN for every genre you could imagine, and you don't like any of them? Then what DO you like?

>>134009373
Not him but is there any comedy like Nichijou or Nichibros?

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>>134009407
Why don't you read that then

It isn't that hard especially since you can remember most of the jokes from the anime

>>134009440
Dunno, VNs are more convenient I guess.

>>134009373
>there's a VN for every genre you could imagine,

And they all have the exact same art style, and they're all trashy genre fiction

Am I too much of a pussy for doing 50 cards per day?

>>134009578
That's good to know

>>134009475
ok senpai

>>134009624
If you do 1000 per day you can be fluent in a month.

>>134009624
I do 10 per day, slow and steady

>>134009670
kek

>Drowning in new vocab, can't remember shit
When is it time to stop new vocab words for a while?

>>134009727
Hmm

>>134009440
>Can't read any of that

When mining words, do you only add words with new kanji/readings or all non-obvious words?

I've only been doing the former so far, but lately I've been looking up a lot of words just for readings and I'm not sure whether the dictionaty lookups or just Anki'ing everything would take less time.

>>134009750
You just need to ganbatte some more

Especially if you're a beginner because the more effort you put in the bigger the increase you see and feel

>>134009624
You need 20,000 words to be on the same level as an uneducated, plebby adult

10,000 cards to be on the same level as an 8 year old

So, you decide.

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>>134009624
I just finished hiragana. Going to do finish core10k tomorrow so I can get vocab out of the way. Wish me luck guys!

>>134009889
>You need 20,000 words to be on the same level as an uneducated, plebby adult
I thought it was 55,000?

>>134009980
That's just kanji dude vocab is around 400k for a the average uni student

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Reminder that most of DJT is still on mt stupid

>>134009754
>When mining words, do you only add words with new kanji/readings or all non-obvious words?
I'd add 思惑 for example, you have to learn them right?

>>134009754
>When mining words, do you only add words with new kanji/readings or all non-obvious words?
All words with non-obvious pronunciations
The meaning is less important and easier to get from context

WOW Anki skipped over to the next day for me while I was doing my reps. What should I do now? Should I finish the new days reps or sleep and do it later (it's 4am now)? First time this happened to me.

So what do I do if I couldn't read that graded reader page that was posted last night?

>>134010361
Look up the vocab in it that you don't know in a dictionary.

Look up the grammar structures in it that you don't know in a grammar guide or dictionary.

This is some pretty simple stuff anon.

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>>134010125
Actually, most of DJT is a bunch of beginners who are just going to quit in a few months.

>>134010343
How many reps do you have?

>>134010433
133 + the 30 new cards from "yesterday". I just went through 100+ cards. You know what I'll just go to sleep and do them first thing in the morning.

>>134010125
>Kanji
kek

>>134010451
Do that and get on a more regular schedule you faggot fuck.

>>134010343
Is staying up until 4 am a normal thing for you? If yes, change the time when Anki starts a new day.

If you usually don't stay up that long, you're tired and forcing yourself to do more reps now won't help. Just sleep, and then do everything when you're rested.

>>134009980
Nah, it's between 20,000 and 35,000 for English speakers.

Just going to assume it's the same number for Japanese. Might be more. They seem to use tons of words where we'd use 1

>>134010381
It's nearly impossible to look up grammar.

Word of the day: 感謝祭

自分の努力の結果として、日本語能力が日増しに、少しだけでも確かに進んでいっていることに感謝しましょう

>>134010659
俺の日本語能力は全然進んでないよ
もうほぼ完璧だからな

>>134010621
No it's not

>>134010690
それもまた感謝すべし

>>134010690
羨ましい限り。

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>>134010621
Learn to use DOJG. It is your friend.

>>134010711
Where can I look up grammar?

>>134010738
>>134010731

Does anyone use the DOJG deck? Is using anki for grammar as silly as it sounds or does it actually work?

Almost at 2k mature+learning. But I still can't read kid stuff without looking up words constantly. Feels bad. I hope I can read more comfortably at 4k and 6k.

>>134010837
I never finished it, but I liked it a lot for grammar practice. It's just that I was reading at a comparatively decent (although still very shitty) level already when I started doing it so it seemed kind of pointless to read example sentences when I could just be reading compelling content and looking up shit I didn't understand in DOJG. I'm pretty sure that if you do it before or as you start reading it will have a major positive impact on your initial reading skills, just not sure if it's worth the time and effort. It's certainly not a bad idea though.

What do you listen to while doing reps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm-Ijm5X84w

>>134010837
It works, because even if you don't remember the meaning of that grammar pattern, you'll at least know it's something you can look up in the DoJG

>>134010966
>just not sure if it's worth the time and effort
600 Anki cards to have knowledge of most grammar patterns you'll find by reading. It's a low cost high profit kind of thing in terms of grammar.

>>134011132
Those cards take more time to review than the usual anki card.

>>134011132
>600 Anki cards
I didn't remember there were so few cards. It's certainly worth it if that's the case.

So if you guys practice japanese while watching moe garbage, will you end up sounding like a little girl when you talk to people?

Is there any manly men I can listen to? Is Billy Herrington good?

>>134010361
Can someone quote/repost it?

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>>134011161
bzrt

>>134011189
Just use 俺 and you're set for sounding like a man.

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>>134011189
If you actually understand the language you'll know what sounds feminine and what doesn't. At worst your pitch accent will be feminine but even then your awful English accent (or what have you) will be more prominent.

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>learning kanji

>>134011411
Give me some real facts instead of this shit.

>>134011411
Watching shitloads of anime did help with me being able to slack on grammar and still understand things although.

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Damn sideways Japanese looks like some crazy alien/middle eastern shit

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>>134011494
Well yeah that's why the graphic says to do so
>>134011503

>>134011233
俺はすてきですわね？

>>134011535
はい、素敵ですよ、俺ちゃん。

>>134011479
Hello, newfriend! Be sure to read the guide and only start giving advice after you at least finish reading your first manga or VN. Enjoy your stay at this friendly community of Japanese learners!

>>134009889
>10,000 cards to be on the same level as an 8 year old

Stop this meme. 8-year-olds are barely literate.

>>134011527
Doesn't look so bad with the more modern font

>>134011586
There you go.

>>134011593
Not like Kino no Tabi has an old font. What, it was published in 2000? The difference is that I think you're reading an image whereas mine is just raw text.

>>134010714
>>134010724
俺輪日本

>>134011586
That's actually an argument in my favor

>>134011570
You're putting on a bit of an attitude now, aren't you? Me and the boys would fuck your shit up in a fight, so don't you dare.

>>134011586
But they still understand more (spoken) language. Which is more important for overall comprehension.

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How much does an 8 year old really understand though? Remember the parable of how Bugs Bunny called Elmer Fudd "nimrod" and no one understood the biblical reference. I don't doubt a lot of 8 year olds are consuming content way above their head and not understanding the language very well.

>>134011882
>biblical reference
That's probably because no one reads that hugeass desert shit.

>>134011882
>Remember the parable of how Bugs Bunny called Elmer Fudd "nimrod" and no one understood the biblical reference.
Why is that past tense? What biblical reference?

>>134012028
Because the Bugs Bunny cartoon aired a long time ago and nimrod has since entered lexicon as a term for an idiot.

i can't get how cliché hanahira is

>>134012028
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nimrod

>>134011201
>>134011132
The deck I downloaded from a link in the feedback page has 1200 cards and 629 notes, what deck am I supposed to use?

http://www.mediafire.com/download/g0388ruwmhz6x0l/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E6%96%87%E6%B3%95%E8%BE%9E%E5%85%B8%E4%BE%8B%E6%96%87%E5%85%A8%E9%9B%86%28cloze%29.apkg

>>134012917
That one is fine. The format is fucked though.

How many hours of reading do you do per day?

>>134012968
Ideal: 12
Reality: 1-12

>>134012968
0
reading is for nerds

>>134012956
>Total cards:1258
>Total notes: 629
The number of cards is probably duplicated because of the format. Is there a working download link to the 621 cards deck anywhere?

am i supposed to remember every word i dont know while reading

like wooow

>>134013248
The newer deck which you have fixed a lot of typos which is good. If you really wanna use the older deck I used, here it is.
https://mega.nz/#!dshVVLBB!mcCOudWAZXhckdCOoKtPWRzT99_nI72fHRuVUj-LIUU

>>134013276
Pretty much.

>>134013293
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

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>>134013336
Write it down fifty times, you bitch.

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>tfw struggling to find good reading material
All muh compelling content doesn't offer enough new vocab. Suffering.

>>134013377
but I don't write yet

>>134013386
But isn't that a good thing? Unless you're just learning japanese to brag about your vocab count instead of enjoying compelling content.

>>134013386
Time to stick with vocab-rich although non-compelling content then, but if you can already read all of your compelling content with ease why would you go out of your way to learn vocab that's irrelevant to your interest?

>>134013284
I'll be staying with the newer deck then, thank you for helping.

>>134013438
>Unless you're just learning japanese to brag about your vocab count instead of enjoying compelling content.
>implying that there's any other reason to learn this Tojo lingo.

>>134013386
>compelling content doesn't provide enough bragging rights
Read factual prose instead then

>>134013438
>>134013466
My dream is Muramasa and that's the one thing I'm not willing to trudge through with a texthooker, yet it also has a huge vocab count.

>>134013559
Can't you just pick another chuunige to inflate your vocab with a texthooker as to prepare for Muramasa?

>>134013606
It's not like reading one chuunige is enough to fully prepare you for another. If you can't read normal scenarioge comfortably you won't be able to read Muramasa comfortably either

基礎代謝

>>134013606
Chuunige aren't compelling because they're hard. Haha. I guess I'll start Silverio Vendetta, I heard that one's pretty tough.
>>134013661
One line of thinking I have is that Muramasa has 3,086 kanji and in my whole life so far I've only encounted 2,807 kanji. So I won't even try it until I have 3,100 down and ready

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>>134011411
:DDDD

>>134013699
Chuunige aren't compelling because they are shit. Read something that is harder but is actually tolerable like Liarsoft or Romeo stuff

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>>134013847
What Innocent Bullet taught me, is that a bad writer working on a chuunige is just as bad as a bad writer working on a moege. It follows, to me, that a good writer working on a good chuunige will be just as good... as anything with a good writer, I suppose

>>134013951
> It follows, to me, that a good writer working on a good chuunige will be just as good... as anything with a good writer, I suppose

Sure but the problem is when something with chuuni elements is actually decent people don't call it a chuunige as much anymore. Muramasa is a prime example.

>>134014058
People call Muramasa (and Dies, and Paradise Lost, etc) chuunige all the time

>>134014086
Only people who didn't read Muramasa call it a chuunige.

>>134013812
>People are reporting being able to write kanji, but at the same time, they are also reporting that the number of kanji that they can read has increased
Shouldn't this say something like "People are reporting being able to write *fewer* kanji ..."?

>>134013559
You really have no choice but to trudge through with a texthooker

It is filled with vocab you'll barely ever see anywhere else

>>134014422
I plan to extensively study judo and swordsmanship before reading.
I'm prepared to do what I already do with stuff like LOGH, and just jisho words I don't know as I see them.

>>134014461
>I plan to extensively study judo and swordsmanship before reading.
Is it possible to be satisfied with hype levels this high? Goddamn.

Yo what does this mean.
それはかまぼこを型で抜いただけなんだ……
I only started recently please be gentle. I can sort of make out some meanings in it, but can't understand it as a complete coherent sentence.

>>134014585
I'm not hype for the game so much as I currently consider it to be the "final boss" alongside France Shoujo and some railsoft games. Like, so far I've gradually gotten better but something harder was always on the horizon... seinen manga, chuunige, old mecha anime... once I finish Muramasa, I'll be at the top, there won't be anything harder. Though I am pretty interested in seeing where it goes with Linji Yixuan's philosophy.

Official kamige ranking:
1. Baldr Sky
2. Muramasa
3. Oretsuba
4. Subarashiki Hibi
5. Asairo


Official Kusoge Ranking:
1. G Senjou no Maou
2. Muv Luv Alternative
3. Dies Irae
4. Grisaia
5. Saya no Uta

>>134014642
I assume they used something like a cookie cutter, except for Kamaboko instead.

>>134014642
Give us an idea of what you think it means

You need to do that to weed out the translator fags

Be wary. If you used google translate. We'll know

>>134014730
>It I just pulled the fish paste in a type...
Be gentle...

>>134014715
>Oretsuba
How hard is this, I picked Japanese up specifically to read this.

>>134014753
oh you!

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>>134014777
Pic related speaks for itself I think

>>134014730
Something like this but I don't really know.
'That is fishpaste which was just extracted'
And then there are words like type and what just left hanging around, and I don't understand what the 'を' is being used for.

>>134014777
If you're not read for it you'll know by the time the opening movie is over.

>open silverio vendetta
>beautiful song plays
I-I hope I'm not about to shit on a work of supreme beauty

>>134014642
Google it. No, seriously.

>>134014829
>>134014642
https://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%9E%8B%E6%8A%9C%E3%81%8D%E3%80%80%E3%81%8B%E3%81%BE%E3%81%BC%E3%81%93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjL46D8kq_JAhVBTogKHYlOA5YQ_AUIBygB&biw=1134&bih=664

>>134014715
>Kamige: popular games that are currently untranslated
>Kusoge: popular games that are currently translated

>>134014926
I'm still confused as to why を was used.

>>134015039
Plus Dies Irae because it's a meme

>>134014802
What does his t-shirt say?

>>134015068
Because 抜く is a verb that means to extract or pull through

お前自体、生きていることがこの世に侮辱だ。(◕▿◕)

>>134015039
Subahibi is transated
Dies Irae is untranslated

But yes, it is a trend that kusoge that get translated end up super popular anyway.

>>134015100
I thought the で was being used with extract.
(I'm sorry. I don't know what I'm doing.)

>>134015138
俺わ日本

>>134015147
>Subahibi is transated
Not released yet.
>Dies Irae is untranslated
> >>134015072

>But yes, it is a trend that kusoge that get translated end up super popular anyway.
Yeah because those kusoge definitely aren't popular in japan or anything like that

>>134014715
>1. Baldr Sky
When does it get good?

>>134015180
Particles attach to the thing before it, not the thing after it

Both 型で and かまぼこを describe the action of 抜く

で describes the tool
を the object being taken out

>>134015221
>all this butthurt

>>134015068
型で抜いた - shaped with a mold
かまぼこを - direct object of the action

意味： shaped the kamaboko with a mold

>>134015291
>で describes the tool
Or I suppose just the result, although the end meaning is the same. Taking out specific shapes of Kamaboko. Probably using a cookie cutter like thing or maybe just cutting it.

Say one needs to be able to write (pen and paper) in Japanese, if that's the case then is doing RTK superior ? And If there's a more decent way of learning to do so, would you mind telling me?

>>134015291
The only one I've read is SnU and it was really bad, but the list as a whole is just toxic for very obvious reasons and doesn't have anything useful to say because it's almost 100% based on bias.

>>134015221
Don't bother replying, it's obvious he's baiting and doesn't actually believe that. No sane human being could dislike Saya no Uta, it's the greatest and most beautiful work of art humanity has ever produced.

>>134015081
NO SWEET

>>134015359
I'm probably speaking for both sides of the argument when I post this.

>>134015345
>Say one needs to be able to write (pen and paper) in Japanese, if that's the case then is doing RTK superior ?

Yes, but it's not like being able to handwrite will mean much until you have studied for a few years and can actually make passable japanese sentences.

>>134015356
I actually did add SnU just to bait. Grisaia was ok during the common route but got bad afterwards. The rest are actually shit.

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Oh my fucking god, Silverio Vendetta crashes when hooked with Chiitrans Lite. Save me, Jesus.

>>134015291
>>134015324
Wait so is the を referring to the 型?
I thought を could only be used with nouns?

>>134015441
Actually I am doing my undergrad in Japan, in 2 and a half years (hopefully)

>>134015468
>Wait so is the を referring to the 型?
Are you fucking retarded? Can you not read?

>Particles attach to the thing before it, not the thing after it
>かまぼこを
>かまぼこを
>かまぼこを
>かまぼこを

>>134015504
Also, 型 is a noun

>>134015441
I can see G-Senjou and Muv being "not great", but I really can't see them being outright bad.

As for Dies Irae I understand that it's on there because it's a meme, regardless of its actual quality.

>>134015498
>studying in japan
You're going to have a bad time, anon

>表
Why is this allowed to have so many meanings?
Fuck man.

>>134015341
if it was a result, I think the particle would have been に

断片に切る　- cut into bits
言葉にできない - can't be put into words

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How was everyone's thanksgiving?

I keep leaving here but im not sure why. You guys are my favorite. Im hanging out on ints jap general now more also if you guys ever want to say hey.

>>134015560
They all seem to roughly mean the same thing although.

>>134015504
I understand that. Maybe I phrased it wrong.
I'm asking if the を is being used to indicate 型 is the direct object of the かまぼこ rather than 抜いた.

>>134015540
>As for Dies Irae I understand that it's on there because it's a meme, regardless of its actual quality.
It's on there because I read it and it was bad.

You could say that it being popular is a meme, I suppose.

>I can see G-Senjou and Muv being "not great", but I really can't see them being outright bad.
Well "top kusoge" basically means "biggest disappointments". Stuff that is truly terrible isn't even worth mentioning.

>>134015580
Hey friend. My thanksgiving is going just fine, thanks.

How about you?

>>134015560
>surface
>table

epic

>>134015602
Well if we're talking about disappointments I can see it, but when I see the word "kusoge" with titles that are worth mentioning, I expect to see things like the Tsukihime TL or ExE.

Shit, I really need to get a competent level of japanese faster. I really want to read Tsukihime in the original japanese so that I know how much of its badness is caused by bad translation.

>>134015580
>Being American

ｗｗｗｗ

Texthookers are as useless as training wheels. Only insecure babies use them.

>>134015599
Maybe you should learn English terms for grammar before trying to use them to learn Japanese grammar

Tell me how a noun can be the direct object of another noun

>>134015690
When you can finally read it, you will convince yourself that it's actually good in the original language regardless of its quality, and develop a superiority complex towards people who can only read the translated version.

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>>134015580
>I'm american
My condolences

>>134014461
Just don't do shitty kendo.

>>134013336
>dsp trying to study japanese
This language is buggeed! Whoever made it is retarted, fuck you kojima, hyahyahyahya

>>134015580
I hope you enjoyed your last free thanksgiving.

what deck do i even begin with?
i tried the core 2k/6k/10k optimized pic/sound but its corrupted

>>134015565
I suppose I just mean the way it is made.
Like
X型で焼いたパン
in the same way you would say
小麦粉で作ったパン

>>134015770
Amazong.

>>134015759
I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore.
I think I'm confused because there are two particles which are (I think) referring to the same verb.
I still don't know what the sentence means

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>>134015759
Book reading is a good way to spend your free time.

>reading
Noun.
>book
Direct object of reading.

>>134015770
That is such an unfortunate thing, especially considering how many translations are better than the original text.

>>134015770
Now I'm getting hyped to study more.

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>>134015875
>reading
>noun

>>134015875
Should there be a hyphen for book-reading? I never understood when I was supposed to use those. Native speaker.

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>>134015909
>reading

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>>134015875
kek

>>134015865
Troll pls go you're only fooling that one guy

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>>134015636
It was great hung out with my family and ate a bunch. Going to study Japanese now and do my reps.

>>134015823
I didn't even think about this tbqh...

>>134015875
>>134015930
in that sentence it isn't a noun you dummy

>>134015935
No, I really am just that bad, and new to Japanese.

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>investigate
>silverio vendetta totally breaks texthookers, would have to customize VNR to use it
Well shit, that opening was really cool too. Now I am lost once again

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>>134015930
>what is context

>>134015990
don't care, stop blogging

>>134016016
I don't care that you don't care

>>134015990
Just hook Muramasa and be done with it.

>>134015990
You could read it without a texthooker? It's never too soon to try reading for real. You know, easy mode is for grade-schoolers yadda yadda.

>>134016016
Your post could be seen as meta blogging.

>There are people who still use a texthooker after 10+ VNs
>There are people in this thread that have read 30+ VNs and still aren't close to being fluent

>>134015821
Sounds like me

The language is fucked and retarded, okay

>>134015875
"Book reading" functions as a single verb.

>>134015990
1.open the game
2.play for a bit
3.open the ith hook it
4. play again one click or two click.
5.they'd be list of malie2 malie2 malie3
6. go to ith hook subsection choose remove just "malie"
7.work for me no crash at all.

>>134015875
Reading is a fucking verb

>>134015865
They are both being carried out by the same verb, 抜く
They specifically attach to the noun or statement before them, though. Here's an easier example:

さじでスープを食べる - Eat soup with a spoon
スープをさじで食べる - Eat soup with a spoon

Soup is the direct object of the word eat.
Spoon is how you're eating the soup.

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外人どもは日本人になれない

>>134015830
anyone? also offtopic but the young guy that reads the sentence to you is fucking hilarious when he tries mimicking an old man

>>134015977
How did you even get past the first dialogue box in hanahira if you don't know how sentence structuring works

Read more tae kim

>>134016044
Nah, I already tried Axanael and while it wasn't hard it did throw me enough loops that I'd rather wait awhile and get much better first.
>>134016046
I read lots of VNs without texthookers, I think I'm up to 10 or so, but this is Silverio Vendetta, it's hard as balls as I don't want to spend every line chasing vocab.
>>134016122
Chiitrans Lite? I saw some of that online but it crashed even when I only hooked Malie3 and ignored all new contexts.

>>134016083
That makes your post meta-meta.

>>134016087
How dare they.

>>134016139
That's really helpful. Thanks man.

>>134016139
スープは
さじじゃなくて
蓮華で食べるものじゃないかな

>>134016166
Mine was merely a simple observation, not blogging.

>>134016269
>Mine was merely a simple observation, not blogging.
>Mine
Please stop blogging about yourself

>>134016269
But blogging is just making observations of one's own life or oneself. Like you just did

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>>134016308
>>134016332
The double bait into fish net, nice nice.

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>>134016238
連撃？

>>134016373
蓮華

Why the fuck are babies called 赤ちゃん? I mean, newborn babies are kinda red which works well enough as a mnemonic for me but is there a deeper meaning behind the word?

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>>134016373

>>134015875
What the fuck? Yes, reading is a noun here, but the direct object is "a good way" and the subject is "book reading".

>>134016421
becase red skin
no other means

>>134016421
pink chan

>>134016421
悪化ちゃん
Because life is a downward spiral。。。。。。

>>134016486
I thought you got permabanned?

>>134016486
who here is truly nihon

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>>134016486
Not spoons and forks atleast, so that's nice

Should I wait until I've learned more kanji before starting vocabulary?

I've been doing anki + heisig for 2 weeks, and know around 200 kanji, but I'm having trouble with actual words (mostly because most of them contain kanji I don't know).

>>134016238
ミソスープはお箸で
中華スープはレンゲで
西洋スープはおさじで
朝鮮のスープは尻で飲む

>>134016533
>I've been doing anki + heisig
Oh boy

>>134016445
>>134016121
Wait, I'm genuinely confused now, is reading a noun or a verb here?

>>134016533
Learn kanji through vocab

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>>134016527
No need to argue that since sporks are superior to both

>>134016477
That's deep.

>>134016581
It's most certainly a verb.

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>reading without a texthooker
I-I'm doing it guys
this CG is in the opening it's not a spoiler

>>134016579
What's wrong with it?

>>134016589
Ehh,I'd rather know what the kanji itself means.

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>>134016625
Yes, there was heated debate on the subject of eating utensils just a few threads ago.

>>134016625
>One day we will all be truly nihon.
Well, you won't. The japs hate American sailors who sank their Yamato.

>>134016527
スープはさじで食べますか？
蓮華で食べますか？

>>134016681
You can look that up at the same time

>>134016681
水 - water
水 - みず - water
what a twist

>>134016576
I laughed

>>134016581
If a verb ends in "ing" it's always a noun. It's how verbs are turned into full fledged nouns in english.

"the jump" is a noun describing a particular instance of jumping
"jump" is a verb about jumping for plural or non-third persons.
"the jumps" is a noun describing multiple instances of jumping
"jumps" is a verb about jumping for singular third persons.
"jumped" is a verb for jumpings that have already happened.
"jumped" is an adjective for being passively affected by someone else's jump.
"jumping" is a noun describing the concept of jumping.
"the jumping" is a noun describing an instantiated concept of jumping.
"the jumpings" is a noin describing multiple instantiated concepts of jumping.
"to jump" is an infinitive and english infinitives are fucking broken so just treat them like a really fucked up "-ing" form.

Be thankful that japanese verb forms at least make sense.

>>134016663
No. It is most certainly not acting as a verb.

>>134016708
I'm just here to shitpost and put of actually learning the language, so i didn't understand any of that

>>134016675
（ライン）
This is such a weird thing to do, what's the point? It's kinda cute though.

you gaijins never be Japanese

>>134016776
You are everything that's wrong with the world

>>134016800
He said ライン in the speech.

>>134016766
>If a verb ends in "ing" it's always a noun.
I'm fucking your mom. Is that a noun too?

>>134016809
I know, anon. I know.

>>134016848
Yes. "am" is the verb.

>>134016848
Yes, because you are(=verb) fucking(=noun) her.

Unless you're black and say "I fuckin' ya mum", but that's not the standard grammar.

>people don't know what a fucking gerund is

Holy shit and you guys study language, do you?

>>134016870
Nope, "am" is obviously the noun.

>>134016801
DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I'M A NIGGER SO I'M JUST GONNA FUCK YOUR BITCHES WITH MY BIG GINORMOUS PENIS AND THEN LEAVE YOU WITH USED UP HOES THAT HAVE BEEN FILLED WITH MY SEMEN.

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>>134016881
>I miss this place so much. I miss all of you so much.

>>134016681
>Ehh,I'd rather know what the kanji itself means.
What makes you think you won't learn that through vocab? In fact, even if you learn kanji through keywords, that "meaning" you learned will eventually be overwritten by the broader idea you'll acquire of it as you acquire vocab with it.

>表 - keyword: SURFACE
>okay, that's simple
>表示 - indication; expression; showing; manifestation; demonstration; display; displaying; representation
>that's sort of a stretch but okay
>表紙 - front cover; binding; (book) cover;
>well that kanji sure is versatile
>表情 - facial expression; countenance;
>表 - table; chart; list;
>発表 - announcement
>what was the keyword again? Express? Front side? Ah, whatever.

>>134016892
It's because the words for describing english grammar came from other languages so they don't make sense to kids when it's taught to them. It's only if and when they have 11th or 12th grade english that they're finally elucidated enough to understand terminology like "gerund".

>>134016848
It's called a verbal noun when used in the present progressive.

>>134016892
I know them in my native language but I had no idea it even existed for English.

>>134016982
Is that like my vowellic consonants and perfective pasts?

>>134016892
It's not like languages for describing the grammar for one language are particularly helpful when it comes to other languages. Even "subject, predicate" doesn't make sense in Japanese. They have their own system entirely with 修飾語,体言, etc

血反吐

>>134017022
What?
>I am running.
That's the present progressive, and "running" is a verbal noun there.

>>134017026
One of the problems is that english branched off basically in the middle of a transition where gerunds are turning halfway into full fledged verbs and infinitives are halfway towards being a non-verbal concept.

>A gerund behaves as a verb within a clause (so that it may be modified by an adverb or have an object); but the resulting clause as a whole (sometimes consisting of only one word, the gerund itself) functions as a noun within the larger sentence.

>For example, consider the sentence "Eating this cake is easy." Here the gerund is the verb eating, which takes an object this cake. The entire clause eating this cake is then used as a noun, which in this case serves as the subject of the larger sentence.

So in conclusion, in the original sentence "book reading" is a noun, but "reading" is a verb.

>>134017076
I'm merely poking fun at the terminology. The other things I just said exist too.

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>>>134017127
> "reading" is a verb.
It says "behaves" as a verb, doesn't it? Dictionaries list the word as a noun by itself >>134015930

>>134016892
I never bothered to learn those kind of specific terms, not even in my native language.

My retention of vocabulary is absolutely fucking abysmal.

I might have to give up on anki and buy a textbook or something, this just isn't working.