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What's your favorite gender bending manga?

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What's your favorite gender bending manga?
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Boku wa mari no naka :)
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>>133987979
Remix Heart. It had a likable MC and surprisingly good covering of the protagonist's adaptation to being a girl. Also, though it was a rather comedic manga, it didn't have its protagonist the standard genderbender cliches such as being embarrassed to look at her naked body, asking people how to pee or freaking out over menstruation. Furthermore, I liked the fact that after its protagonist became a girl she actually lived like one surrounded by other girls rather than spending her time with a male best friend or trying to pass for a boy.
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>>133988077
>Boku wa Mari
>Genderbender
>Implying
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>>133988077
wat? have you not read further than 30 chapters?
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Kanojo ni naru Hi and its spinoff. I also have a soft spot for Sekainohate de Ameshou because it was the thing that got me into gender bending and had the ending all gender bender manga should have. And last honorable mention is probably Megu Miruku, or Osananajimi wa Onnanoko ni Naare because the art is cute, though neither of them are incredibly good.

I mostly stick to h-manga now because they're easier to find feminization, mindbreak, and other awesome gender bender stuff.
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>>133988535
>Male wakes up in the body of a girl.
>Not a gender bender
WOT?¡
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>>133992257
Not gender bending, but it is good.
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>>133992237
It's made very obvious that a male did not wake up in the body of a girl in that series. You need to blindly believe the unreliable narrator and ignore every piece of evidence thrown at you b the manga to believe that it happened.
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Bocu no Pico :^)
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>>133992257
One of the few with the balls to do a definitive trap ending.
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>>133992257
What is that from? I have seen the picture a thousand times and any attempt at image search just brings up that picture since it's so widespread.
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>>133992299
one would hope so when boy meets trap is the actual premise
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My favorite is the one about France with the big eyes.
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Himegoto was a pretty fun ride.

I really wish there was a continuation, I want to see Hime continue acting girly into his adult life and finding a girlfriend or boyfriend.
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>>133992321
You really should leave if you can't recognize where that's from.
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>>133992321
it's one of the most well known trap manga, you shouldn't have to look for too long to find it
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>>133987979
Shishunki Bitter Change. I'm big into gender bender as fap fodder, but this one particularly stands out because it's about the only "magical" gender bender manga that treats the subject seriously and manages to still be good. It's about a body swap that happens while the characters are still in elementary school and how the characters have to adjust to living as each other over the course of several years. Currently they're in their first year of high school. The pacing is slow and relaxed, the characters are well fleshed out, and while melodramatic the plot developments are very interesting. Both of the protagonists deal with the swap in varying ways, with one able to adapt fairly well (but still thinking of themselves as their proper gender), and the other having hardcore dysphoria.
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>>133992645
(same poster)

As far as crossdressing manga goes, probably Reversible? It doesn't fall back on shotacon so much like you see most of the genre do, many of the characters of the characters are clearly designed as a "male" instead of something along the lines of "draw a girl and call it a guy", and it's just a fun read.
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>>133992645
I wonder why the series had that 3 year timeskip. The main characters' behavior and relationship didn't appear to change, which made it feel as if there was no progression in the story. After 3 years in each other's bodies you'd think they'd have settled and learned how to act even if they still retained switching back as a long-term goal. Instead they were pretty much acting the same way they did immediately after the switch, which is rather odd considering how young they were when the switch occurred.
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Why don't gender bending anime/manga try to portray the situation closer to accuracy? I mean, if a guy changes into a full woman. They would probably be ostracized and bullied by the girls, and they would be completely rejected by guys.

It rubs me the wrong way when the characters get so forgiving and accepting of the situation.

Another example is if there is a character with big boobs. Anime/manga typically portray the ideal where she is admired and loved, but they rarely show her getting bullied, being called a slut by jealous types, and guys judging her as a moron.
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>>133993421
Because most series present this situation in an idealized way. Kashimashi is especially blatant about this, since everyone treats the MC as if she had always been a girl.

There are series that do have the character not being easily accepted though though; e.g. in Kanojo ni Naru Hi there is a stgma attached to characters that switch sex. And other series are able to avoid the issue entirely by having the MC move to another place and pretend that they had always been girls; e.g. Remix Heart, Asuka Hybrid and Ichinensei ni Nacchattara. Though that can still come into play; Mai in Remix Heart for example worries that she will be ostracized if people discover the truth about her past.
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>>133992371
Himegoto is not gender bending but still pretty good. I loved when he was buying cute clothed online and he was caught
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>>133993421
>I mean, if a guy changes into a full woman. They would probably be ostracized and bullied by the girls, and they would be completely rejected by guys.
We need more of that.
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I've read Gacha Gacha - Secret and got blue balls because I tried edging for too long.
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>>133993709
That's is what bothers me, gender bending would be so much better as a genre if they try to portray the situation with a more realistic portrayal with social dynamics that is believable.

At best, it should be a proper critique/criticism of gender norms. At worst is the pandering fetish crap that we see many examples of.
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>>133987979
none because i'm not a faggot like you OP
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>>133993971
You didn't said that the time we kissed
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>>133993995
The only correct choice.
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>>133994111
Trips of truth
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>>133993956
At least there are series that either address that issue or avoid it, such as the ones I mentioned before. There are some more serious series, such as Ame Nochi Hare or Haikyo Circle.

What I find worse is when everyone in the setting wants to fuck the genderbent MC. It's pretty common as well; we see it in e.g. Nyotai-ka, Boku Girl, Kashimashi, To Love Ru, Kampfer, Sora no Otoshimono, Entrans! and Ore Twintail. (Kashimashi and Sekainohate de Aimashou have it to a lesser extent too.) Having the MC be attractive is one thing, but having everyone openly wanting her is pretty ridiculous.
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>>133992452
Can't find
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>>133992257
prunus girl
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>>133992257
This was gay, but it was amazing.

Gender bending at its finest.
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>>133994136
I don't really consider Ranma to be a good example of the genre since it was a martial arts parody first, a harem second and a genderbending comedy third. Ranma pretty much treated the transformation as a disguise or temporary inconveniece. The series never really dwelled on the subject and Ranma never seriously thought about how this transformation affected him. Then again I suppose that Ranma was essentially a gag comedy made for children, so one shouldn't expect nuanced characters or character development.

(Though the way that the only type of "progression" in Ranma was the introduction of new characters did irk me. The story and character relationships were all locked into stasis. E.g. no matter how blindingly obvious it became that P-chan was Ryoga, Akane could never made the connection because that would alter the status quo. And with 38 volumes the whole thing got pretty repetitive.)
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>>133994331
Ranma is first and foremost a comedy.

For an old manga, it is still hilarious and easy to pick up. Not many conedy has aged as well as ranma 1/2
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>>133994331
Oh I didn't say it was a good genderbender. Ranma is a qt
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>>133987979
Boku no Pico.
>>>/r/ Fuck off.
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>gender bender
shit most of the time

>guy turns to girl
>falls in love with guy friend and gets together with guy friend
shit

>guy turns to girl
>falls stays in love with girl and ends up with girl (either as a girl or turns back to guy)
good
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>>133994460
Inferior taste senpai
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So i asked /h/ but they ignored me, i know you faggots are pesky when it comes to you know, being nice, but i'll try it anyways.
As you may know pururin is dead and for the most part i don't have a lot of good things saved there except for this one genderbent manga about a cop who infiltrates a gang of cyber criminals as a girl and they all rape him and he ends up liking dick and broken, do you guys know the name? It has like 4 or 5 volumes.
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>>133993114
The series has multiple timeskips. Yes, the first one is kind of odd, but the progression after the 2nd one is much more noticeable.
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>>133994502
No, your taste is shit.
Friend must've been some kind of gay to be fine with fucking his old time mate just because he turned into a girl
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>>133994460
>being a yurifag
nothing wrong with bro love, dude
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>>133994460
You forgot

>Guy falls in love with girl dressed up as guy
Gay

>Guy falls in love with guy dressed up as a girl
Beautiful art
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>>133994600
Wish I knew
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>>133995060
Nevermind, i found it. Turns out it was easy to find.
http://tsumino.com/Browse/Query?PageMinimum=1&PageMaximum=371&RateMinimum=0&RateMaximum=5&Name=farfalla&Author=
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>>133987979
The ending of this seemed a bit rushed.
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>>133992257
Im homophobic but this manga was ok.
If only real homos were like him
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>>133994600
Farfalle? I remember it had the name of a pasta.
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>No gender bending manga exists where after the MC changes, reality changes along with them so as far as the world is concerned they were always born a girl
>And then afterward, the MC goes full It's A Wonderful Life to see how his life changed through just his gender
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>>133994460
You omitted "guy turns to girl, falls in love with guy she met after becoming a girl" from your schema.

>>133998928
These two eroge have that happen to the MC in one of their routes:
https://vndb.org/v1420
https://vndb.org/v258
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>>133992645
I wonder if it's going to end like the webcomic did.
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Hunter x Hunter
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>>133999582
How'd that end?
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>>133999582
They stay the same sex (don't switch back) and end up marrying, but not to each other.
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>>134000005
>>133999782
Sorry meant to reply to you.
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>>133987979
Asuka Hybrid since the girl pisses herself
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Gacha Gacha Secret and Capsule
I doubt many people remember it though.
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>>133994460
Nice!

Was there a manga?

Anyway, if you know Japanese check out Ai Mai Mist
https://vndb.org/v12131
and the Futaba Channel games
https://vndb.org/v6509
(avoid the first if you don't want the new girls being fucked by guys, you can't make choices in the first and she fucks a lot of guys, just be aware that the MC in the first game is a character in all the others)

Avoid Kuru Kuru Coeur ... it's just not worth it.
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>>134000730
Gah, I should proofread before I post. Was there a manga like that? Yuri gender bender of course.
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>>134000751
There are a number of them. Manga with full-time transformations where the MC is attracted only to girls include Asuka Hybrid, Ichinensei ni Nacchattara, Joshi Shougakusei Hajimemashita, Kashimashi, Tsukiyo no Fromage and Panikuru Iko-san. And almost all manga where the MC can switch forms have the MC only be attracted to women (e.g. Adolescence Avatar, Futaba-kun Change, Gacha Gacha Secret, Kampfer, Okitsune-sama de Chu, Ore Twintail, Ranma, Sai Taker, Saikyou Mahou Shoujo Akira).
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>>134000837
That many? Goddamn. I don't read much manga anymore. Usually stick to VNs once I learned Japanese.
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>>134000883
Genderbender series where the MC turns into a girl and falls in love with a guy are actually a minority. Series with full-time transformations include Artificial Maiden, Boku Girl, Boy Meets Girl Girl Meets Boy, Idol Pretender, Kanojo ni Naru Hi Another, Mao Marimo, Megu Milk, Nozomu Nozomi, Remix Heart and Sekainohate de Aimashou. This includes series where they don't end up with the guy or where the boy in question used to be a girl. The only series I'm aware of where a character who can switch forms shows interest in men are Fukigen Cinderella and Nyotai-Ka and the MC doesn't end up with guys in either of them.
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>>134000730
Ai Mai Mist was surprisingly decent. Yumekoi Tensei was pretty good. Sekai wo Seifuku Suru Tame no 3tsu no Houhou was fairly good too.

I didn't like the Futaba series. Good art but loli isn't really my thing and they were nothing but a series of short and simple nukige. Kuru Kuru Coeur didn't hold my interest, though I did go through a couple of routes in it.
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>>134000730
As far as translated eroge go of course X-Change Alternative wins practically by default since the original series was pretty bad and practically nothing else has ever been translated.

But I think I'll go with Remix Heart Gaiden as my favorite translated genderbender VN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlGoYAimCq0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Dnrq8lS-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTII_NiYl2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWMIHYFVub4
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>>134001243
Is the game translated, or just the videos?
Actually, what is it even for?
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>>134001464
The game itself (BlazBlue Chronophantasma Extend) is translated, though it's currently only available on consoles. There is talk that it will go on Steam in January though.

As for what Remix Heart Gaiden is about, it's not a complete story on its own. It's actually two side-stories for the Remix Heart manga that take place between chapters 4 and 5 of that series.
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>>134001582
Ah, expected that. Will wait till it comes to PC and hopefully I'll get back to reading the manga by then.
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>>133992321
Either fuck off and die or simply leave.
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Cutest ship, I don't care if it is dumb, still cute as fuck.
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Not a genderbending manga, but I'd moon this pure maiden.
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>>134001974

>she isn't real
>yet

Come the fuck on with the 3D-VR already!
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>>134002081
Not yet, but Trump will make anime real
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Probably Boku Girl.
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>>133988133
All of /a/ already knows this.
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>>133992865
>You will never un-rape Touma

I want to kiss her on the forehead.
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>you're only allowed gender bender if it's yuri fantasy
>you're only allowed gender bender if it's socially progressive psychodrama
No, gender bender is allowed because it is sexy and fun. Stop trying to hijack this outstanding multilevel area of fantasy with your boring themes.
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>>133987979
pretty face
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>>133993421
Honestly, girls probably wouldn't care in this day and age. It's the guys who would most likely scream "FAGGOT" and ostracize them.
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>>134003840
I'd say that Pretty Face is really a trap series, since other than his face the MC has a male body.
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>>134002927
Generic female gets raped is about the most boring theme you can get.
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>>133992217
good taste the post
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>>134002927
Manga is good when it promotes socially liberal views and challenges the patriarchal, heteronormative social views of gender.
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Boku Girl.

Like, it's not just "You're a girl now. People are picking on you. Bazinga!" It's actually erotic, cool, and the live-translation threads it inspired were like watching WWE.

And the guy who got transformed actually has a personality. Well, then she becomes a moeblob, but that's in keeping with what's going on around her!

I don't want to see a REALISTIC DEPICTION of WHAT WOULD REALLY HAPPEN. I want to read something fun.
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>>134001093
I'll look into them but sad to say I prefer watching guys get feminized against their will and end up giving up and dating boys.

The route in Ai Mai Mist where she ends up pregnant with her best friend's baby was my favorite.
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>>134008003
What you say describes every eroge in that post. Though of course they have both potential male and female love interests.

Some of the routes in X-Change Alternative 2 were fairly good; others such as the oujou-sama or the iinchou route were pretty bad.
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>>134007320
Boku Girl is good and Mizuki is cute and the whole thing definitely gives me a boner, but the switching thing is pretty shit. I like it when they're stuck forever, it's hot.
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>>134009458
I don't like this turn of events either. I suppose the author had to throw something new in to be able to keep the story going. First he changed Mizuki's setup from being a reverse trap concealing her identity to openly living as a girl. Then he changed it again by having Mizuki switch forms without her being able to control it. I guess it wasn't as ham-fisted as what happened with Ichinensei ni Nacchattara, where near the end of the manga it's obvious that the author ran out of ideas and threw in mecha suits, magical girls and government conspiracies in an effort to keep the series going, which was utterly ridiculous.

I suspect that Boku Girl has been a victim of its own success, since the author feels the need to keep it going without allowing the relationship of Mizuki and Takeru to progress. The story gets padded out instead with the constant introduction of new side-characters. As a result the series has turned into a harem and there is now a horde of both male and female characters who lust after Mizuki.
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>>134010583
The side characters are fine, but the sex change depending on feelings is bullshit.

Same thing with Kuromaru in UQ Holder
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>>134011505
I was pleasantly surprised when I started reading UQ Holder by the fact that it didn't seem to be a harem, but then of course Ken had to go back to his old habits and throw in a ton of girls who want the MC.

I found Kuromaru was disappointing since it seemed like the character had accepted her feelings and was actually displaying character progression but then in the latest chapter (103) Ken once again did what comes naturally to him and set everything back to the status quo.
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>>134011769
He can't help but do what he is good at
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>>134011769
Yeah, funny how UQ Holder pulls this BS the same time as Boku Girl.
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>>134012153
I suppose that his stuff does sell, so it makes sense to stick to what works even if I find it to be disappointing.
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>>134013726
Well, he probably will draw it out for a long time.
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>>134011769
Is this manga worth it for the gender bending? It looks unbelievably bad.
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>>134013844
Kuromaru was gender neutral for over 100 chapters, goes into girl mode for 2 chapters, and is now back to gender neutral with the possibility of gender change in the future.

So no
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>>134013844
Not really. The genderbending element is pretty minor. The MC's sidekick belongs to a species whose sex becomes fixed in puberty and wishes to become a boy, however he wavers between being a boy and a girl due to falling in love with the MC. This however is a minor subplot and not at all the focus of the manga.
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>Trap turns into a girl and proceeds to ahegao with her pussypussy

god tier
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>>134014054
Though as a shonen battle series it is pretty good. It has the same gorgeous paneling for action sequences and architecture porn as negima.

Just don't go looking into it as gender bending.
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>>134014554
It's OK for a battle shonen, though now Ken is turning it into a harem too. Which I find rather ironic since people used to defend Negima by saying it wasn't Ken's fault that it was a harem but that he was forced by his editors to make it one. Now he has a new series that wasn't a harem and he's turning it into one.
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It's really funny how whenever the person undergoing gender changed doesn't paired up with other person he/she changes, claims of assblasted-ness arise likes it's some kind of NTR
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>>133999267
The one game in your post pisses me off to no end. Just seems like lazy writing to have the MC just freaking following some random guy into a hotel, fuck, then never hear from that dude ever again regardless of previous choices.
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>>134015604
I don't see why it's bad writing to have the character end up in a one-night stand. Maybe the dude simply wasn't interested in a longer-term relationship.
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>>134015707
Allow me to elaborate:

As you may be aware, games have flags. A player may choose these flags to fit his own criteria. In order to prevent the game from expanding exponentially, common points are made. In this case, the MC not being a virgin when the player is now set on a specific route.

In my opinion the game should have handled the scene as part of the "slut" route, and not the common trunk for the otaku friend or the gentleman.

Thus, lazy writing.
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>>134015899
Sounds like you just can't stand playing a slut in your wish fulfillment game.
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>>134015899
It could be considered that this served to show that the protagonist had a pretty strong sex drive in the beginning and could go either way. In some of the routes it subsides and she ends up as a normal girl in a monogamous relationship. In others it's intensified and she ends up as the village bicycle.
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>>134016458
Oh no, you misunderstand me. If I feel like reading about a slut or playing the slut, heavens knows that I will. I am simply complaining about INCOSISTENCIES between choice and consequence.
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>>133992865
Reversible! is really good so far. Just started it because of this comment, and I'm impressed. Too bad it seems so short.
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>>133992865
Series fell apart half way in. Ending was awful as well
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If there is no drama/trauma, it is not good.
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Shameless bump
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>>134016799
I think I downloaded this on sadpanda and never got around to reading it. What's the title?

>>134017465
Yakuza and genderbending. You'd think that mix would show up more often.
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>>134019999
The fact that their "transformations" came about as a result of extensive surgery rather than say magic does raise the squick factor I think.
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>>134020903
Transsexual characters isn't that differed the than transformation through "magic"
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>>134019999
小悪魔ウトピア
Koakuma Utopia
By Wakame-San
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>>134020982
I think I'll have to disagree with you on that. After all, one is biologically fully female and the other isn't. (Unless you go with something like alien technology which pretty much is equivalent to magic.)
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>>134020903
You can always have the yakuza be capable of magic.

>>134021182
Ah, Clarke's 3rd Law.
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Not enough fanfics
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>>133993952
Whoever you are, know that you have inspired me.
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>>134021235
The only one you need is Thy Outward Part. Probably the best Ranma-chan fanfic series to ever have been written. It does not feature Ryouga though.
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>>134021348
Read that one, was pretty good.
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This scene always stood out to me since they obviously animated Ryoga and Ranma here as a boy and girl interacting, rather than two boys. I mean, this is something different from Ranma's playfulness flirting. They're clear supposed to be acting "naturally" here, in the middle of combat.
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>>134023344
Probably out character but it was cute as shit.
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>>134017465
>>134020903
That manga is pretty great and raws are easily available. I'm surprised it hasn't been translated yet.
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Fucking best ship
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>>134010583
Can you imagine if Boku Girl developed like Jitsu wa? You would soon have a superb confession and the start of much cute dating but still get your comedy antics.
> Mizuki flustered over makinf a lovey-dovey bento for Takeru
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Not enough pregnant gender bender
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>>134001243
Those moments are the best.
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>>134024882
Finsing doujins with that is the grail for me, check out botehara ebd if don't mind H-stuff. Sekainohate had it too.
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Pick a ranma there is no wrong choice
Short hair the best
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>>134025727
Didn't they also have his mom in an OVA? It's been like a decade since I last watched ranma.
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>>134026368
I'm not sure, I haven't watched all the ova's
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>>134021060
Was this ever translated? I'm assuming you're the same guy who posted it forever ago and gave us a nice summary.
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>>134026768
No, it was never translated.

And yeah, that was I. I suppose I could translate it, but I have no editing skills.
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Any answer that is not Ranma 1/2 is objectively incorrect.
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>>134027729
Although I like Ranma 1/2, it is far from being a good gender bending manga/anime. It is a good comedy, a mediocre shounen, and a barely passable TSF one. It is merely played for laughs or blatant fan service.
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Why he didn't stood as a girl?
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>>134024895
This was one such major moment in the manga, when Mai realized that she had fallen in love with a boy and stated questioning whethere she was still male in any way. In the original she alternates between "boku" and "watashi" to show her confusion.

Speaking of pronouns, Mai used "boku" before her transformation. Afterward she wanted to conceal the fact that she had previously been a boy and switched to "watashi" instead. When she was having an identity crisis due to feeling that her mind was changing as a result of her transformation she alternated between "boku" and "watashi". Eventually when she accepted herself as a girl she demonstrated it by using "watashi".
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>>134027060
If you did decide to translate it, I'm sure there are people lurking who have editing skills and would be fine with throwing some text on there.
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>>134027729
Ranma is a gag manga with characters that are complete caricatures and who never show any development. The character relationships are pretty much a joke, with the main romance being something you'd expect from a pair of kindergartners. There is no story progression, and since the manga was 38 volumes long, it gets pretty repetitive (especially towards the end which had long, unfunny arcs quite similar in tone to Inuyasha that were a slog to read).

Ranma was of course very popular and it quite clearly succeeded at being what it set out to be. But calling it "objectively" the best genderbender manga seems pretty silly, especially when the genderbending is such a secondary element.

If one likes Ranma, then Futaba-kun Change is similar in tone and places a greater emphasis on the genderbending aspect. It seemed heavily... inspired by Ranma, but was much shorter, had story development and the character relationships actually evolved over time. The ending was pretty weird, but at least it did have one.
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>>134025134
Top left and both middles.
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Michael Keikaku
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>>134031489
>tfw DISTANCE hasn't done any gender bender work since then other than his bodyswap tank
;_;
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Speaking of Boku Girl. I read it the last two days and liked it. It was cute, gave me boners and the comedy is good. I'm just super confused, did every 6x chapter vanish into the nether?
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>>133992299
>with balls
heh
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>>134000344

I remember it anon, it was one of the first gender benders that I read.
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I wish more gender bender series took themselves seriously. All GB is either played for laughs, or buried in the same four-five cliches like "How do I pee?!", "Wooooh, I can grope my tits!", "P-Periods?", "My male best friend is suddenly so attractive!"
Remix Heart is good, but it feels like it's still lacking something.

Plus, they never explore anything outside of the sexual and physical sphere.
They never go shopping for clothing unless it's the always unfunny 'I-I have to buy female underwear?!' chapter
They never show how their friendships and relationships change outside of the ever uninspired 'I'm attracted to my male best friend?!'
There is no difference shown in how they are treated in day to day life by others unless it's the 'group of guys hits on feMC but male best friend comes to the rescue' chapter

Every GB manga has the same levels of creativity as a douijn, and every time it turns out to be a gag manga or a hentai it feels like being cockblocked. Because as soon as you realize you're in a gag manga you know it's not possible that the hack writer will produce anything of value no matter how many volumes pass, and if it's hentai then it means feMC is just going to suck a billion dicks in a couple pages.

Godddamnit I just want a series about a guy learning how to be a girl and being moderately happy abou it.
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>>134033063
I liked Michael Keikaku because the dude spends some time figuring out what being physically a girl means, but then he realizes it's pretty much the same shit and he's still horny as fuck. It's realistically plausible this is how someone would cope with the situation, and that's why I enjoy it as more than just a hentai.
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>>134033135
I read that too.
'Old' gender bender seems to be better than what passes for it nowadays, even in hentai.

Nowadays, Ruuen Rouga is pretty much the only h-mangaka who gives a shit about plots and exploring the character's descent into womanhood though.
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>>134033063
Read Ame Nochi Hare and Kanojo ni Naru Hi + Another if you can stomach shoujou
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>>134033177
There a number of H-tankoubon that have a plot of sorts. Michael Keikaku isn't unusual in that respect. Most genderbender porn are one-shots with limited page count, so the author needs to have the characters fucking within a page or two at most. I don't think this is a fair comparison.

And what do you consider good old genderbender series? Most of the serious series I can think of are recent titles. The majority of older series were simple bodyswap or joke manga. One exception might be Boku no Shotaiken, but I have never read past the first chapter of that manga since it's not scanlated past it. (By the way, that manga was rather unusual since it features Hitler as a major character.)
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>>134033063
You forgot the "I can't look at myself naked!" cliche. I have to agree that these are pretty tiring, particularly since they tend to make the MC seem like a complete moron. The worst one are the ones with a perverted MC who just heads off to ogle or molest other girls (like in Sora no Otoshimono or Maken-ki).

I agree with the person that mentioned Ame Nochi Hare. The characters switch forms, but it focuses on their every day life. Haikyo Circle might be of interest, though unfortunately almost none of it has been scanlated. Balance Policy was another more serious title, though I didn't particularly like it. Fukigen Cinderella was also more serious and it was unusual in that the MC was an asshole and pretty much insane. Mao Marimo seemed to be more SOL, as was Nozomu Nozomi.
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>>134034703
I came with a boner, but it was not my dick that came it was my kokuro
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Why is this recommendation thread still up, get your shit together janitors/mods.
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>>134034803
It's more of a niche discussion, really. We're discussing the literary intricacies found in this genre, so there is no reason for you to be rude.
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Boku girl
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Man, gender bendig works done by fujoshi are so full of rape. It's almost as if all of today's feminist's preaching is nothing more than a big lie.
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>>134038679
Well women actually love rape.
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Ranma inherited great genes
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>>134038679
Generalizations are bad. A number of women like the idea of a handsome dude that they like being forceful in seeking sex. Real rape, e.g. getting ambushed by an unwashed hobo and being raped at knife-point, less so.
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Boku Girl best gender bend
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I enjoyed 'Asuka Hybrid' even though its translation got dropped, before it got canned.
And 'Akane-chan Overdrive' was really good even if it was more of a bodyswap then actual genderbender.
Also there was a pretty good one where about five kids became girls when it rained, I don't remember its name though.
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>>134042799
Clear up after rain.
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>>134042843
Thanks.
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>>134029895
Watashi isn't female-only, most polite males use it too.
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>>134045402
You know I always thought it was a shame we never got to see female Ryoga.
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>>134045620
Watashi is used by men in more formal contexts. So a man might use watashi when talking to someone at work for example. However using it in informal contexts, such as when talking to friends, is seen as feminine. An example of that from anime is Dick Saucer in Dragon Half. He uses watashi when speaking with his king, but switches to boku when he talks to other people.

So Mai using watashi when speaking to her friends is a way in which she tries to make herself seem female. When a magical item causes her to think she's a boy, she reverts to boku.
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>>134020982
UHAUHUAHUAHUHAUA

Dont compare a natural biologically girl, with someone who need to be always taking pills, and has a fake vagina that is considered a wound by the body and needs to be re-opened constantly.
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>>134045823
I didn'that knew that
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>>133994406
>>133994502
>>134002005
>>134002179
>>134002296
>>134002478
>>134002688

Why live if there is no fanfic or doujishini where Ranma gets stuck as a girl and start to become more girly and fall for Ryoga as time passes?
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>>134046388
There are shit tons of those, there are even ones where if ranma was born a girl.
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>>134046388
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7603977/1/Genma-s-Daughter
Here you go, the dialog is a little weeabooish at first, but this is like a 15 year old
It is if Ranma was born as a girl, has pretty much what you asked for.
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>>134046870
Never saw anyone that fit that description.

Yeh, there is a lot who pair Ryoga and Ranma, but feel where he becomes a girly girl.

>>134047134
Thanks I will check this out, but instead of Ranma always been a girl, I was thinking on regular Ranma changing personalitty or mind over time or due to magick.

Like on the episode where he got amnesia, or when he got in love with Hyoga on the magick rod charpter.
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>>134047272
Ranma was born as ranko in it, but through genma being an idiot she gets turned into a male and genma runs off with him, he thinks he is a guy until his mother shows up. And eventually he remembers some stuff from when he was a girl
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>>134048038
You would like it.
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>>134047272
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5308231/1/Tabula-Rasa
A little emo at first, but it does get pretty good.
Ranma gets permenantly stuck as a girl, and slowly falls in love with ranma
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>>134048318
Ryoga*
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Live
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>>134038679
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>>134053895
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>>134031679
Anyone?
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>>134053931
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>>134053964
There is a guy that posts live translations on /a/. Actual scanlations only go up to chapter 60.
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>>134033063
I too have this yearning.
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>>134038679
Has this been uploaded? I can't find it on any of the usual sources.

All I could find was this, which just has a teaser.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51469041.html
http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/bk171234?track=series_page_58840
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There have been a lot of good gb doujins on sadpanda lately.
God bless Japan.
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>>134054507
Most of them have been full censorship though. It's a bummer.
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>>134015899
Genos Maidos!
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>>134046388
I heard that this story was getting its own manga. Is this true, or did I get talen on a little ruse cruise?
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Would something like a female doppelganger fit this thread?
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>>134056293
I don't think so. Those two characters weren't that similar, and both were born in the sex they currently have so there's no genderbending.
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>>134033960
>Kanojo ni Naru Hi + Another
Thanks a lot
I'm only at page 24 and this story has already taken a more interesting direction than I've ever read before.
Then again, most of the GB I've seen was hentai, so no story to be expected there.

How is this shoujou though while Hourou Musuko is seinen?
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>>134000960
Either am terrible at finding them or your flat out wrong. Most gb series I've found are mc hooking up with a guy. The small list here>>134000837
Is basically all I've found were the mc still has an interest is girls after the change, but there's a lot of the opposite.
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>>134056682
It's being published in a shoujo magazine. I haven't read Hourou Musoku, but I think that one contains more mature themes.
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>>134058060
Let's compare the numbers on these two lists shall we?

MC is interested in guys: 12
MC is interested in girls: 15

The number is larger in the second category even though I was being generous and including series where the MC is interested in both boys and girls (and where the MC in that situation ends up with a girl) in the first category.
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>>134058272
I'm sorry I didn't clarify I ment ones where the mc was stuck as a girl.
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>>134058780
OK. Let's compare those then.

The MC becomes a couple with a guy in Boy Meets Girl Girl Meets Boy (guy was originally a girl), Idol Pretender, Kanojo ni Naru Hi Another and Sekainohate de Aimashou. The MC falls in love with a guy and shows no interest in girls, but doesn't hook up with him, in Artificial Maiden, Nozomu Nozomi and Remix Heart.

Boku Girl could go either way since the MC likes both. Megu Milk has the MC fall in love with a guy who gets turned into a girl. Someone on /a/ said that in Mao Marimo the MC falls in love with a guy but it hasn't been translated so I have no idea how it ends.

The MC is Tsukiyo no Fromage only shows interest in girls. In Asuka Hybrid the MC shows interest in girls (as well as to a trap but that's because he looks like a girl). In Kashimashi the MC hooks up with a girl. Panikuru Iko-san was pretty short but the MC only appeared to like women. Conveni-N also has the MC be in love with a girl and it's implied they hook up.

If we exclude the uncertain and borderline stories, the ratio is 6 to 4. The difference isn't that big.
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>>134058204
Ah, that sounds reasonable. I'd think both fit both categories, but if they're classified by the magazine they end up in, so be it.
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>>134059418
Well, Kanojo doesn't tackle any 'adult' topics really, it's just a typical shoujo drama with a twist. Bokura no Hentai would be another example of a seinen gender bender.
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>>134059993
Technically Boku Girl is a seinen series since it's published in Shuukan Young Jump. And it's less serious than a number of shonen or shojo genderbender stories.
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>>134060184
Boku girl is basically porn, they can't put that in a kids magazine.
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>>134060253
Sure, many chapters of Boku Girl are softcore porn. My point was that you can't judge whether a series is seinen by how maturely it handles the subject matter.
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>>134060317
Who says I can't? If a series contains mature themes, it's more likely to be classified as a seinen. If it contains a lot of nudity, same thing.
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>>134060580
That's hardly an absolute rule though. Ame Nochi Hare is pretty mature and it is a shoujo series. To Love Ru Darkness has a ton of nudity and it is a shonen series.
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>>134060798
It requires some intuition to be able to discern them. You'll get it from reading a wide variety of manga. I wasn't telling him specifically what makes a seinen a seinen, I was telling him what makes Kanojo not a seinen.
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>>133992371
Norio is so cute.
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genderbenders are usually shit tier
shishunki bitter change is pretty alright

I generally prefer cross-dressing/trap manga but it's hard to find one that isn't gay as fuck
pretty face and mint na bokura are two of my favorites
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>>134064391
Bokura no Hentai is really good.
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>>134064634
>"Parou" started cross-dressing because he wanted to attract a heterosexual boy he liked. "Marika" is transgender and identifies as female

sounds gay as fuck
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>>134066191
Nigga, you want good cross dressing but you don't want it to be gay. Nigga please.
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I used to really like Boku Girl but it has become shit ever since MC can switch back to male and there were too many characters introduced that serve no purpose at all.

Fukigen Cinderella was nice but too short and ended abruptly.

Now reading Shishunki Bitter Change. Though I don't like body swap even in gender bender, this has been a good read so far and I like that it doesn't focus on ecchi.
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>>134066941
I like it Shishunki bitter change as well, it never fucking updates though
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>>134066941
And his change stopped being a secret a long time ago so now its just lost a lot of its appeal to me.
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This is a boku girl
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based shindol
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This one. It's about some 30 year old salaryman who makes a wish and suddenly becomes a loli. It's hilarious.

Thank you so much for making me remember it! Haven't thought about it for ages, and there are finally some new chapters to read!
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>>134067518
So soft
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>>134068685
soft™
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Is there a translated version of Ai Mai Mist or other GB VN's available in a themed database anywhere?
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Nozomi Nozomu
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>>134067823
The first two chapters of this were the first things I ever typeset.
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>>134003943

MtF are often a little fucked in the head, I wouldn't want to put my dick near that thing, it's just auto repulse. The decision is theirs but from my standpoint you simply can't do surface level changes like that to swap, you'll never be the other sex because it's your fucking DNA, you'll always know you had the change and you're lacking the full body parts (including brain makeup/chemistry/relevant social upbringing as that sex). Yes you can consume various hormones that get you around close the the average brain chemistry but the above still applies, it's a big change rather late in life and you'll always know it just wasn't.

The manga/anime variants gloss over this and just have then as sexually liberal characters, which is to me the idealized version as well. It skips all the real shit they go through and clear indications of surgery and hormones. Also manages to avoid most of the uncanny and horrible looking ones that start way after puberty by making it as idealized as possible.
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boku garu's been a fun ride..esp thxs to the LT's.........but ikuya daikokudou's "transformed n2 a bb..........( ya its hentai.. like that's gonna stop /a/ny1 )......great art.....gb+chibi+loli+yuri+ & funny... so funny ...every other page cracked me up so much i couldn't " finish " !
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>>133987979
I loved Idol Pretender's art, it was cute as fuck, but the plot really started to fall apart at some point.
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>>134071197
What the fuck.
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>>134067823
That manga had good art, but I can't say I liked anything else about it. The MC is as stupid as the plot. The only real reason to read it in my view is if someone loves loli fanservice, which gets thrown in by e.g. having the MC need to steal panties from other little girls to sustain his transformed state.

>>134069280
No. Only translated genderbender VNs are the first four X-Change games and these:
https://vndb.org/v11687
http://taruby.gamerkun.com/osumesu.html
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>>134066814
is it gay if you want to attract lesbians by crossdressing?
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>>134071755
Idol Pretender did have good art and I thought that it was alright overall. A pity that the pacing was shot and the author had to wrap it up so abruptly. Would have been better if Chinami hadn't stayed in denial for as long as she did and instead had the relationship progress instead of throwing it in at the last minute.

I also found that the personality of the male love interest and his relationship with Chinami was handled badly; he abruptly went from teasing her and saying he wanted to be with her as a coworker, to saying that he loves her with no change in his behavior in between.
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>>134073755
I kind of get the feeling the author himself didn't know what he wanted. I swore the story was gonna head down the yuri route with the other girl, but nope.
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>>133987979
>your favorite pile of shit

I'm not into scat.
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>>134073752
You say lesbians everyone knows you want big meaty cocks
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>>134074031
I thought that he simply wanted to turn the story into a love triangle. Same thing happened to Boku Girl, where the girl that the guy was originally in love with started showing interest in the MC after he got turned into a girl. (Boku Girl at this point is a harem, but the MC is still most interested on on male and one female character.)
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>>133994600
Farfalla maybe?
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I forgot the title, but it was about some space prince that comes to earth looking for a bride because everyone in his planet are assholes. He has an accident on arrival but an earthling sacrifices his life to save his. The prince realize that this is what he is looking for and turns this human boy in to a girl with I guess is space magic or something.
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>>134075746
http://www.mangahere.co/manga/sekainohate_de_aimashou/
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>>134047272

I like this story. Its ending is actually rather dark in a way, but it's not due to sexual stuff or anything like that.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3592336/1/Together-A-Tale-of-Transformation-and-Tragedy
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Boku no Geboku ni Nare! and Boy + Girl Fusion are titles I liked.
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>>134075804
>http://www.mangahere.co/manga/sekainohate_de_aimashou/

Yeah that's the one
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Apparently there's a wiki on this topic, but it's pretty much empty.

http://gender-change.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Change_Wiki
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>>134075815
I liked it, but I did not care for the ending.
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>>134076653
I also find it hard to believe they would just throw Ranma under the bus like that. I mean they are assholes, but I still believe they would still be happy that Ranma is happy. That and all the crossover stuff was distracting as shit. And it feels like with ranma broke his leg that the writer was going to write more but got lazy.
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>>134076778
The ending wasn't satisfying of course; the way Ranma and Akane go from a relationship that's essentially that of a pair of preteen siblings to deciding to marry after Ranma sees Akane lying down and says that he loves her while thinking she's dead, and he even tries to take it back after he finds out she heard him, was pretty awful.

But I think that the behavior of the other characters at the wedding made sense, since every character in Ranma (with the possible exception of Kasumi) is either homicidal or insane. If one looks at it seriously, Ryoga for example is a complete psychopath. In the Fishing Pole of Love arc he literally tries to brainwash Akane into falling in love with him, which is the sort of thing you'd expect a villain to do. And then he tries to murder Ranma because he thinks that once Akane learns he has killed him she will immediately fall in love with him. What better way to win a girl's heart than murdering the guy she has feelings for after all? And of course he's also a huge stalker that spends a lot of time in disguise around the girl he likes without her ever knowing, and even bathes and sleeps with her. One can hardly imagine a more flagrant violation of privacy. Another example is Ranma's mother. She's supposed to be really kind, but when she sees her son for the first time in years while he's wearing a skirt the first thing she does is try to decapitate him for not being manly. And the fact she had let her deadbeat husband run off with their child with the agreement that she'd decapitate them if their son wasn't manly made absolutely no sense, especially since she was depicted as a caring individual.
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>>134076778
>but I still believe they would still be happy that Ranma is happy.

Spoilers for that fanfic, of course.

It's clearly written under the idea that by the time Ranma's personality is completely changed, it's pretty much not "Ranma" anymore.

Now, this contrasts with the way the narrative goes slowly changing Ranma bit by bit, rather than just a sudden transition from one point to another, but that's still clearly the intention of the author, like shown in several dream sequences. They treat "Ranko" at the end like that because they don't acknowledge her as Ranma, but just a curse that replaced him.


>>134077137
I think that post was about the ending of the fanfic linked there, not the actual series itself.
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>>134077472
Ah, fair enough.
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Best threesome
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>>134078266
Is Ranma an owl?
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>>134080258
Looks like Ranma is a stylite.
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>>134082307
I dunno I just got it off of pixiv
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>>134073042
>The MC is as stupid as the plot.

Completely agree. That's actually why I like it. It's totally ridiculous and doesn't try not to be.
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>>134084363
Fair enough. Personally I don't like it when an MC behaves like a complete moron, so (disregarding all the other elements that weren't to my taste) the way this MC just went along with what this mascot was saying without ever questioning it made me dislike him.
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Something cute about sad ranma.
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Wow nice recommendations thread you fucking faggot. Why don't you fuck off back to /r/?

Pretty Face
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>>134066814
I aint gay senpai, I just want to be a cute girl and do things with other cute girls
I thought that much of /a/ was like this
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>>134092102
>/a/
>not gay
You will get there my cute little kouhai
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>>134074179
>projecting so hard
yuri is love, yuri is life
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>>134092240
you don't actually believe this do you?
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>>134092567
You don't?
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There's a whole lot of stuff listed. I'm assuming these are the best of the genderbender manga, but are any of them good in the context of someone just looking for something good to read instead of being extra fascinated by the idea?

I guess a better way to put it is, are any of these actually good?
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>>134093394
Lets see, Bokura no Hentai is good if you are interested in the psychology of really broken people. Clear up after rain has really enjoyable characters.
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>>134047272
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5459771/1/The-Shrine-and-Motel-of-the-Goddess-of-Love

Short, and been dead for years, but I like what's there. If I remember right there's kind of a point where it feels like it could work as an ending even though it goes on.
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>>134093394
Are you looking for a romance series or something else?
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>>134096585
Either is fine
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>>134096756
If you want more serious titles there is Ame Nochi Hare. Other titles include Balance Policy, Haikyo Circle and Kanojo ni Naru Hi.
Less serious ones include Mao Marimo, Nozomu Nozomi, Remix Heart andTsukiyo no Fromage.
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My Father is a Loli

http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/chichi-ga-loli-na-mono-de-r8345
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>>134101134
That's another title I didn't like myself. Too much of a gag manga for my tastes and it felt rather disjointed.

I wonder how loli fans felt about the fact that the MC is literally treated with drugs which cure his pedophilia.
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>>134101714
The gag aspects is what actually kept me reading it.

I don't really care about the loli part of it, my favorite transformation is when the dad gender bends the MC.
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>>134034603
Thanks for the Ame Nochi Hare recommendation. I started it today and am definitely enjoying it.
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>>134101939
I didn't care much for that either to be honest. Nothing came of it beyond the standard "MC turns into a girl, sneaks into the women's bath".

>>134102356
Glad to hear you're enjoying it. It's a series that doesn't really fall into the standard cliches.
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>>134066941
too many characters? hardly.

>>134067473
same, though i don't really into this sort of stuff but boku girl is my first venture into gender bendy whatever shit and i'm enjoying it.
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>>134102744
Boku Girl keeps introducing new characters who want to fuck Mizuki in an effort to keep the manga going without having to actually resolve the main love triangle or progress any of the core relationships. There's an entire list of characters who serve this purpose, from e.g. the underwear dude that appeared early on to the morals committee member introduced in the latest chapter.
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