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Why is he not so cool?

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Why is he not so cool?
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>>133965888
Togashi loves to fuck with fujoshits
Knov actually got better
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>>133965888
He should've apologized to Gon.
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Knov is cool. I like the dude.
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>>133965921
i guess it was some comedic relief in a super serious arc
the octopus was introduced around the same time too
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>>133966142
> Knov's breakdown
> Comic relief
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>>133965888
Fujoshi was still mad
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>>133965921
Togashi is one of the biggest Fujoshi supporters in Manga/Anime.
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OP power so he needed to fuck off from the operation ala Fugo. He probably has bigger balls than you since he went ahead and stayed even though the sheer aura of the royal guards were fucking him up mentally and physically.
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>>133965888
His power was to useful during the operation so Togashi probably decided to make him out of the whole thing like that.
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Just another element to buildup hype for the king and his royal guard. If the aura of those fucks are enough to overwhelm a veteran hunter that was specially picked for the mission then you know shit is getting real. Not that it was a particular a well written point.
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God's Accomplice + Scream would be super broken during the invasion and Togashi knew it.
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early recon sucks
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>we never see him reacting to chimera palm
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That aging trough immense shock and stress is actually bullshit. I know mangaka like to sell broscience as facts but it's still retarded regardless.
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>>133966367

He just likes plain homolust.
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>>133966895
http://www.hairscientists.org/hair-loss-conditions/bald-patches/alopecia/alopecia-areata
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>>133967619
You realize only because you lose your hair it isn't actually you aging faster?
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>>133967679
It didn't actually age him faster either. He just got skinnier.
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>>133966505
>>133966647
What? He introduced his power literally one scene before his mental breakdown, i highly doubt that was the reason.
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>>133968467
Togashi literally wrote that he and the wolf aged because of the stress.
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>>133965888
Why is he such a coward?
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>>133968502
I remember this being said about Welfin, but not Knov.
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>>133967679
Yeah, but the stress can wreck the body and make it appear as though one has aged when that is not actually the case. I thought that was supposed to happening, not any actual aging.
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>>133968500
He's been using it before the ant queen even died, dude. What are you talking about.
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>>133968536
>>133968554
Welfin looks like he actually aged. He's like a raisin now.
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>>133968561
I was talking about Scream, which only was used once during the infiltration.
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>>133968625
Hide and Seek is OP even without Scream.
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>>133968502
Its a story with magic broscience is completely possible in such a case.
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After one minute
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>>133968686
It gets used in almost every manga. Some manga are even based on those ideas. I don't think it's wrong, it's ok to get inspired by those things and make them real in your own created fictional world.

It's just funny and I like to see directly where those ideas come from.

Though I still think it was weak writing to fuck Knov up that much. I mean Gon, Killua and everyone else were just fine. Are you telling me Knov is less of a hunter than those people? In that case I think most of the ants should have been overwhelmed of the royal guard and the king as well.
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>>133968877
He was in a state of Zetsu.
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>>133968877
Knov was using zetsu and Pouf used his en just after the arm scene with Komugi. Since we know nen is directly influenced by emotions, it probably was full of nasty shit and Knov felt all of that. Basically he was just really unlucky.
Also you're forgetting Palm felt Pitou's en and tried to kill herself.
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>>133968809
I was always surprised this guy got so much screen time. I figured he was just another chimera redshirt.
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>>133968963
They still faced the King and fully powered up royal guards with heavy killing intent which should have been as overwhelming if not more regardless of Zetsu. Palm wanting to kill herself was part of her gimmick.
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>>133968877
>>133968963
It actually says chapters about Knov's quality as a Hunter to interact with a Royal Guard's En while in Zetsu and not just straight up die or go insane.
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>>133969216
>which should have been as overwhelming if not more regardless of Zetsu
How do you know that? Hisoka had a terrifying aura but Gon & Kil went through it just fine after learning Ren. It might make you straight up immune to that kind of thing.
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>>133969229
>blowing aura readings that much out of proportion
>explaining bad writing with more bad writing
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>>133969216
Nigger, facing a Nen scrub like Gido while in Zetsu is worse then facing a Troupe Member in a regular fight.
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>>133969336
This moron.

Without his aura, it is like being in a blizzard fully naked. Do you even read the manga or do you just spout stupid shit so people can pay attention to your dumbass?
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>>133969336
>don't understand simple shit about the fight system in a battle shounen
>call it bad writing
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>>133969336
Not only did Royal Guards have more raw power then any human, their aura was much more horrible because of their animal insticts and evil, inhuman emotions. Knov got straight up Lovecrafted, and he's still standing.
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>>133969396
While fighting the royal guard knuckles got fucked up and definitely couldn't keep up his aura. He should been mentally raped by that logic being in the middle of the chaos.
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>>133969453
Are you fucking retarded? They can always keep a minimal amount of aura up, it's their life force.
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>>133968963
This.

Do people realize how fucked up Pouf was after that arm scene with Komugi?
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At least his powers are fucking based. Personal hotel is best compared to shit like paper, rock, scissors and other useless abilities.
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>>133969496
Can you refrain from being so rude and discuss this normally?

Minimal aura still is worth shit to protect you from youpi being in berserker mode. How can anyone think Knov being fucked up immediately is good writing?
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>>133969577
>Youpi in berserker mode
Did you forget the part where he wasn't feeling an ounce of bad emotions because he learned how to quarantine his anger? I mean they pointed it out several times.
>Minimal aura still is worth shit
How do you know this? Not to mention Morel wasn't moving for the sole purpose of keeping his strength and his aura focused.
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>>133969577
>Knov isn't as hot headed or strong spirited as Gon or Morel are
>Pouf was in a God knows how horrible mood after the arm scene
>Pouf is personality wise the most evil and twisted Royal Guard
>Knov got hit while in Zetsu
He was just extremely unlucky, and that's all there is to it.
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>Minimal aura still is worth shit
Gon and Killua were immune to fucking Hisoka after learning Nen minutes prior. Please don't talk about things you've no knowledge about.
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>>133969683
Wasn't Youpi actually embracing his anger and therefore able to think straight? His emotions should have been powerful as fuck.

I'm looking at relations here. If Knov was fucked up immediately to the point he was mentally and physically fucked up after experiencing Poufs En first hand there are a lot of things that don't make much sense later and before it. The effect is just too strong to make it hard to believe that the crew managed to fight at all against the royal guard. They hardly had any mental problems at all, they just got fucked up.
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>>133965888
Author realized he made someone way too overpowered, so he had to turn him into an ultra pussy.
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>>133969837

You clearly didn't the anime. Sigh.
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>>133965888
I hated his character. That archetype is so annoying.
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>>133969837
>Wasn't Youpi actually embracing his anger and therefore able to think straight? His emotions should have been powerful as fuck.
No, it's straight up stated by the narrator that he learned how to detach it from his mind.
>If Knov was fucked up immediately to the point he was mentally and physically fucked up after experiencing Poufs En
Again, Knov, unlike everyone else, was in zetsu which suppresses your aura. That's literally the only barrier you have against other people's.
I feel like i'm repeating myself but Pouf's was full of nasty thoughts and Knov could imagine himself getting tortured and torn apart. At no point was anyone forced to face something as bad in zetsu.
>They hardly had any mental problems at all, they just got fucked up.
Yeah, because they had their aura to protect themselves. They still felt how nasty it was though, yet they still managed to avoid mental damage because they were protected.
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>literally being bathed in the worse aura than Pitou's
>Alsmot no Ten since he has to keep up his ability
>His loved on is going in a suicidal mission
>Everyone else was just fine!!!
>Gon went literally insane
>Killua was crying
>Meleoron trembling and coulnd't hold a breathe for more than 10 seconds
>Shoot was a crazy suicidal that got power from the impulse of the heat of the moment
>Morel couldn't think straight against Pouf
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>>133969837
All Hisoka had to do was use Nen on Gon and Killua to "back away" and they literally couldn't make a single step towards him, while after learning their own they could walk just fine.
Using nen on a powerless (or zetsu state) person is completely unbalanced, even moreso if it's from a Royal Guard.
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>>133970335
>His loved one
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>>133970286
Well fine. I accept your explanation as the truth.
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>>133970382
In a non-sexual (or sexual I think he has a crush on Palm) he loved Palm as a friend and a student
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>togashi goes out of his way to autistically explain everything
>people still can't figure it out
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>>133970448
most of the people just read stuff to put on their list and claim that watched/read 500 anime/manga and call himself patrician
yet they don't remember 20% of they read/watched
It's the typical "Know little of everything, Know much of nothing"
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>>133970286
That's a good explanation man
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>get PTSD
>come back anyway and save 2 people's lives
He's a pretty cool guy.
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>guy made fun of gon and killua being down after they got hit by pitou's en
>gets hit himself, full mental breakdown
>mfw
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http://strawpoll.me/6032105/
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>>133970499
That's why i read/watch everything at least 3 to 5 times, and read/watch particular scenes dozens of times.
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>>133970668
>not even by Pitou's or Youpi's aura, only the fagboy
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>>133970751
>the fagboy
>more evil then Youpi, Pitou and Meruem combined
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>>133970751
Pouf was more evil than Pitou and Youpi, though.
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>>133970790
>>133970793
That's not much of a feat, none of them were evil.
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>>133970822
Pouf was legitimately evil, also twisted and selfish
No matter the point of view, ant or human, he was a fucking asshole
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>>133970822
>none of them were evil
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>>133970878
I agree, but i wasn't talking about Pouf.
>>133970883
Explain how they were evil.
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>>133970878
He's a very sensitive guy.
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>>133970499
Because Togashi didn't explain most of his shit with it's literally magic with all the greed island bullshit.
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>>133971438
It's all nen abilities, the restrictions are based on the rarity and amount of cards available and the limitations on how to use them (must own a copy of GI/can only be used there etc)
There's not much to get
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>>133971438
The Greed Island "bullshit" was literally only valid on Greed Island and was explained many times.
Nen has been explained many times and is not that complex.
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>>133970448
And then there are faggots who complain about the narrator and keep spouting shit like "show don't tell".
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>>133971550
Nen is literally just magic ain't gotta explain shit.

You pretend like HxH is so complex to even need to read it more than with half the attention to get everything.

Togashi just borught up a character who just fullfills wishes because magic(nen) ain't gotta explain shit. How people suck the cock of togashi and pretend the manga is so above everything else is hilarious.
>it all makes sense because it's magic
Wew, lad. Gonna read HxH 6 times to understand this rich and complex manga.
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>>133971606
The system and world of HxH is so complex that it would take twice the amount of chapters we got to "show, don't tell".
It's like calling Tolkien a retard for writing the Silmarillion instead of making sixteen more books to tell everyone else's stories.
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>>133965888
>>133968809
JUST
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>>133971626
>Togashi just borught up a character who just fullfills wishes because magic(nen) ain't gotta explain shit.

Confirmed for not reading. Nanika is pretty much one of the outer continent superbeings who've been since always portrayed as being well OP.
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>>133971626
>Nen is literally just magic ain't gotta explain shit.
What? He spent like one arc and half another one to explain it
>Togashi just borught up a character who just fullfills wishes because magic(nen) ain't gotta explain shit.
That's obviously going to be related to the DC, but i agree so far it doesn't make much sense even if the restriction system does

Are you retarded or shitposting?
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>>133966895
If nen can keep you young, it can also age you. It actually makes decent sense.
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>>133971666
>bullshit magic is ok because she is a super OP being
>>133971687
The rules are superficial at best. Togashi can literally do everything without restrictions by using bullshit. Like the super overpowered chains that are allowed to be game breaking overpowered because they can only be used on a handful of people.
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>>133968877
Remember when Gon and Killua get like they were in a blizzard without any nen when hisoka casually put some in their direction.

Knov face that x1000 and filled with hate
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>>133971773
>The rules are superficial at best.
I'm not sure what you mean, they are clearly explained in depth and even the fighting system without hatsu is fleshed out.

>Togashi can literally do everything without restrictions by using bullshit.
>Like the super overpowered chains that are allowed to be game breaking overpowered because they can only be used on a handful of people.
You say he can do it without restrictions and the exemple you give is one full of restrictions because it'd kill him if he used it on someone who isn't part of a minuscule amount of people. Are you legitimately retarded? Serious question.
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>>133971871
What if Kurapika was fighting a Spider and he declared he quits the group in the middle of the fight, would he die if he attacked him again?
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>>133971935
>would he die if he attacked him again?
That's not how it works, he just couldn't use chain jail on him.
But i guess that depends on how much Kurapika genuinely believes him since hatsu is based on the subconscious.
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>>133970751
I love it when you faggots try to downplay Pouf just because he wasn't a straight up powerhouse fighter. The guy was by far the most threatening RG.
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Knuckle is still the best.
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>>133972089
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>>133971871
Now we play the retarded game. Tired of you guys having no arguments and just coming up with "u retarded".
Kurapika is an absolute beginner. The spiders are full fledged veteran nen users, absolutely experienced and every single one is way above Kurapika in everything.

But still he can name on restriction that isn't even that restricting at all and becomes the nemesis of all spiders with them having no chance of ever winning against Kurapika and his magic chain.

How is this founded on any logic at all? The restriction isn't anywhere equal to the power he receives. Gon and Killua actually struggly with forging and perfecting their nen abilities. Kurapika perfects an absolute extreme weapon against the spiders shortly after he learned to use nen.
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>>133972103
You can smile again!
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>>133971606
I thought about those retards while rewatching the Shawshank Redemption recently. I wonder if they'd complain about Red telling as the narrator instead if it being shown, since they think words are of so little value.
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>>133972135
>Kurapika is an absolute beginner. The spiders are full fledged veteran nen users, absolutely experienced and every single one is way above Kurapika in everything.
Yeah, that's exactly the point of the restriction system. This is directly adressed in the series, and you're forgetting that Kurapika pretty much lost in the end.
>But still he can name on restriction that isn't even that restricting at all and becomes the nemesis of all spiders with them having no chance of ever winning against Kurapika and his magic chain.
How is it not restricting? If he makes one mistake he straight up dies. It's considered an extreme.
Also it's mostly useless if he's fighting more than one at a time.
>How is this founded on any logic at all? The restriction isn't anywhere equal to the power he receives.
Again, see above. It leaves him no room for mistake in identifying his targets and it doesn't even straight up kills them.
If you can only use a move on like 10 people out of several billions or else you die, how is it not a huge restriction?
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>>133971773
Nobody said Nanika is okay, just that she has nothing to do with nen. The fact that you didn't even understand something so simple shows you're not in any position to argue about power systems.

Not to mention you just used the phrase 'without any restrictions' when the power LITERALLY functions through restrictions. Togashi can essentially write what he likes providing he includes inherent conflict with it, but that's just good writing and foresight. Thanks to the clever rules he has a lot of freedom with powers while still staying within the limits of nen.
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>>133972089
> Knuckle
> Not Shoot
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>>133972454
>suicidal chuuni
>best anything
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>>133972103
He's got all his dogs too.
>>133972454
Shoot is pretty cool too, but Knuckle was still my favourite character in that arc.
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>>133971773
>>bullshit magic is ok because she is a super OP being
It's only bullshit in the context of the currently established powerlevels (the people living in the small continent).
If you read the story it's pretty much established that literally ANYTHING coming from the DC continent is way beyond in terms of powerlevels and OP'ness, even a fucking ant from there managed to cause the whole King+Royal Guards incident.
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>>133972299
A huge restriction would be losing life force when using it. Creating an ability an boosting it to game breaking levels because you restrict it to only work on the person you fight against shouldn't be allowed, especially not as a fucking beginner.

Nen abilities should work like fucking actual skills where you can do the more high level shit the better and more experienced you become. How are you not adresssing any of the points I made that Kurapika is a beginner and shouldn't be able to create such an ability and how he perfected his abilities in literally no time while it took Gon and Killua a shitload of time and they're not even halfway on kurapikas level.

Crafting a high level ability should be exclusive to high level users. An absolute beginner like Kurapika not only perfected his abilities he also created an extremely high tier ability that let him surpass his enemies, which are all far experienced and stronger, or at least should be.

This makes the Nen system so flawed. It doesn't follow actual logic, Togashi still has all the freedom he wants despite making rules up.
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>>133972565
>Nen abilities should work like fucking actual skills where you can do the more high level shit the better and more experienced you become.
And get to shit like Dragonball where lvl.10 people can't even scratch 60+ enemies? No thanks.
What makes the Nen system so interesting is that everyone is playing on a leveled field of power where actual victory doesn't come from bullshit powerlevels but rather intelligence, strategy and clever use of one's techniques.

You say Kurapika's chains are too strong but that power comes from a wide array of risks and limitations, limitations that in the HxH'verse could very well spell doom for him if ANY Spider knew of them. Which they do.

It's like having a trump card, but if the opponent knows what it is you die. Sounds like a pretty even exchange to me.
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>>133972565
>while it took Gon and Killua a shitload of time and they're not even halfway on kurapikas level.
Neither of them had Kurapika's resolve to get stronger.
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>>133965921
>Togashi loves to fuck with fujoshits
You mean by making huge parts of his shows devoted to homoerotic scenes? Or marrying one?
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>>133972135
This is no dragonball. People aren't divided between how strong they are but how well they can use their abilities. Had the coin-guy hit Hisoka even once he would have straight up died, but thanks to his skillfull and clever use of the Bungee Gum he managed to win.

Victories in HxH universe aren't dictated by the powerlevel of a skill but by how well you use them, which is why the only real fighting victory Kurapika pulled off was against the dumb straight-up berserk fighter guy who agreed to face him alone and with no backup whatsoever.
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>>133972565
So let me get it straight. You think the restriction system shouldn't be given to beginners even though it's literally the basis of nen abilities?
The fact that Pika got put on the same field as veterans by taking huge risks is actually a good thing. He's still not as experienced as them, he just can defeat them under certain circumstances.
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Its happening slowly
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>>133972896
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>>133972736
>disregard skill and experience, it would become dragonball otherwise
I didn't read anything more retarded this week.
>>133972785
When Gon got a game breaking skill trough resolve he at least had an actual restriction, which was dead.
>>133972875
He had absolute weak ass restrictions for the power he received. He basically created a power for a specific group and can't use it against anyone else. What a great fucking restriction.
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>>133970335
This, fuck Knov and fuck anyone who makes excuses for his weak ass.
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>>133972896
Thank you Encoderanon
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>>133972946
>I didn't read anything more retarded this week.
Skill and experience still come heavily into play, but you can also try to level up the fighting field a little by taking huge risks and limitations.
Sounds pretty good to me, one of the most established things of HxH is that even experienced fighters can die if they fuck up.
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>>133972946
>He basically created a power for a specific group and can't use it against anyone else. What a great fucking restriction.

You're really missing the point of HxH. Victory doesn't come from the power of a skill but how well you use it (see Hisoka whose skill is a laughing joke, let's be honest now).
Kurapika's power comes at the price of not being able to fail even once.
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>>133972946
His master himself said that only keeping it for a small group of people is a weak restriction. The fact that it would kill him if he fucked up and that it's so easily counterable once you learn about it is what makes the exchange equal.
It's also not as broken as you think. He has to be really smart to manage to capture someone and take risks.
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So you have
a) an ability that outright kills you if misused
b) a group of talented and very clever people used to fighting and exploiting strong people's weaknesses

mmmh I wonder how that could backfire.
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>>133973045
This is bullshit and you know it. Are you telling me Gon's shit tier rock scissor paper is in any way as good as Netero's buddha?

Netero actually proves that skill and experience make for the foundation of an extreme nen ability. Yes, I know, his buddha looked weak as fuck against Meruem but we all know its powers are the real deal.

He would never be able to create it without his lifelong traning and his philosophie. Gon's ability is so shit that even with absolute power it doesn't seem that overwhelming, it's just pure power.

And come on, as if bungee gum isn't a top ability, it has so many uses. Hisoka created it exactly because he is so experienced and strong.

Hunter x Hunter proved numerous times that the abilities differ wildy in quality. A more experienced user will create a far more usable ability. The skill of the ability comes from the skill of the user. Only Kurapika is the exception as he is an absoltue beginner and creates some extreme abilities in a short amount of time. Everyone else is legit.
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>>133972896
>Berserk off the boat
>EncoderAnon done with 99'
I don't know what is happening
Will you do other series in the future?
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>>133973405
>This is bullshit and you know it. Are you telling me Gon's shit tier rock scissor paper is in any way as good as Netero's buddha?
Netero had an untold number of years to refine his, Gon didn't.
Kurapika skipped a good chunk of that by hard-limiting himself with restrictions, something neither of the two did.

It's all really simple.
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>>133973405
Aren't you moving goalposts now? You were complaining about nen in general and now you're saying "everyone is ok except Pika because i don't like it"
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>>133973438
Kurapikas non restricted abilities are way above his skill level too.
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>>133973405
You're missing the point here. The process goes like this:
1) awaken your Nen
2) find your own ability
3) improve it with experimentation, training and whatnot
3b) boost its power with risks and limitations

The two things are concurrent, not exclusive.
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>>133973477
Like?
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>>133973452
This has nothing to do with what is discussed here.
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>>133973419
Maybe, if people actually like this... If i do anything i will probably do rurouni kenshin
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>>133973405
Kurapika's talented, comes from a bloodline of gifted nen users and has some huge as fuck motivation (which is close to borderline obsession) behind his actions.
And we've been told a number of times that motivation and willpower plays strongly in how strong a Nen ability is.
And he's put himself under strict limitations that would instantly kill him if he fucks up once.

I'm not saying his ability isn't OP just that it's not bullshit within the HxH universe.
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>>133973653
>comes from a bloodline of gifted nen users
I agree with your post but this has literally never been stated
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>>133973687
Uvo mentioned how the spiders had a hard time dealing with Kurapika's village. If they didn't have nen when they got attacked it just makes Kurapika's bloodline even more OP.
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>>133973687
They are all Specialists. How are they not gifted?
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>>133973541
Kurapika skipped a lot of this. He didn't experiment at all. If he at least had the chance to use his ability on the spiders and developed his game breaking skills after it I would have been more ok with it. He is straight up perfect and ready after he learned nen.

I fucking hate that you guys say it's ok because he is using a restriction. It's such bullshit.
>>133973653
If he only was allowed to use his OP abilities when he activated his bullshit eyes I would be more ok with it because he is going full bullshit anyway when his eyes are activated.

Chain Jail doesn't make any fucking sense. The restriction is weak as fuck. Trough HxH logic it should be only strong as fuck if Kurapika was retarded and was of the kind to make mistakes easily. But no, Kurapika has great intellect, he would never use it on anything but spiders. The restriction is a joke. Gon pretty much lost his life for his power and if you think about it was a pretty shitty power to begin with. He was strong as fuck but it was heavily time restricted. Kurapika can use his power whenever he feelsl ike it. His restriction is not anywhere enough to warrant the power he receives.
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>>133973759
He just said they were strong. It doesn't mean relative to nen users, as far as we know none of them knew about it.
>>133973794
This has never been stated either. Also specialists aren't necessarily stronger.
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>>133973865
Read my post. Can you imagine the spiders attacking a village of normal people without nen and having a hard time?
I don't.
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>>133973858
>He didn't experiment at all.
Yes, he did. Reread Yorkshin, he experimented a lot.
>>133973950
He never said he had a hard time.
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>>133973858
At this point you're just refusing to read. You've been told countless times that in the HxH'verse power doesn't count nearly as much as tactics and skillfull use and how Kurapika's restrictions count as a huge weakness to that against a competent opponent.
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>>133973858
>If he only was allowed to use his OP abilities when he activated his bullshit eyes
That's the case though.
>The restriction is a joke.
See >>133973143 you're coveniently ignoring.
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>>133973997
>Read the manga then.
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>>133974077
Yes? The anime took out some bits about Kurapika's ability as far as i remember, but what i'm talking about also has been mentionned in the anime. I said to reread it because that's what i assumed you already did.
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>>133974063
I already adressed this. His restriction counts actually less because of his intellect. The restriction would be extremely dangerous without his great intellect and therefore would warrant the powers.
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>>133972896
Will this be up at nyaa or elsewhere?
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>>133974181
This doesn't make sense. Are you saying that playing against one's own limitation is against the rules now?
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>>133974181
>the restriction counts less because he's smart about how he uses it
What the fuck? You could say that even about Gon you triple retard.
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>>133974223
nyaa , in the next days
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>>133974243
I'm just picking up what you guys said. You said that a lot of this shit is subconcious. Of course if Kurapika didn't have immense trust in his abilities and in his intellect the same restriction would him stronger, how isn't that logical with the set rules that are given?
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>>133974331
People don't make a restriction with the intent of getting yourself killed unless they're Gon. It doesn't change the fact that it could easily fuck him over in the slightest.
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>>133974331
Restrictions exist to make things harder with the benefit of also making your skill stronger. Willpower also makes your nen stronger.
Playing around said restrictions is like training and testing yourself, and does not make you weaker.
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People who say Gons power is weak are literally insane. Did everyone just miss the explanation of the mind games behind rock paper scissors when Leorio went against that turbo slut?

If Gon had more experience and strength behind Ja-Janken it's literally guess wrong once/he out-yomis you once=dead. And if he guesses wrong he just loses a chunk of nen, once the opponent knows what it does it works even better, that's one hell of a trump card. That is of course once he refines the shit out of it. It's legitimately a good ability.
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>>133974602
Yeah, it's actually versatile as fuck. Even as a shitter his rock KO'd Knuckle who was using Ko so it's not even weak either.
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>>133972952
Are you retarded, that post was defending Knov.
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>>133974331
By your logic Netero's ability should have gotten weaker once he managed to pray incredibly fast.
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>>133974729
Netero didn't use any restrictions.
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>>133974823
Do you have ADD? Did you miss the part where he had to pray every single time before attacking?
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>>133974965
So Kurapika moving his fingers to use his chains is also a restriction?

Are you serious? That was just him wielding his power.
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>>133975057
Are you seriously implying it's the same thing at all? Come on anon.
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>>133975318
How else is he gonna use his power? Everyone needs some kind of catalyst.

It's in no way a restriction as Kurapika used to power his ability.
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>>133975057
Between this fag and the ones in yesterday's threads, I don't know if people are just pretending to be retarded or not anymore.
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>>133975406
It's literally pointed out for you that it's a wasted movement. If he didn't train so hard to work around it, it would have gotten him killed before.
It's not the same as Pika because it doesn't immediately attack, he has to pray and then attack. I can't believe you're actually trying to argue about this.
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>>133975486
That's the price of the anime.
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>>133975510
And again. It's isn't a restriction like Kurapika uses and therefore is completely meaningless to the argument. You might as well say Killua being able to fly for a limited amouint of time is a restriction.
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>>133970114
...goddamnit
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>>133975612
>It's isn't a restriction like Kurapika uses and therefore is completely meaningless to the argument.
What the fuck? I just explained to you how it was a restriction. You can ignore it all you want but don't repeat the same shit.
>You might as well say Killua being able to fly for a limited amouint of time is a restriction.
Killua isn't able to fly. And also please explain to me how those are the same at all.
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>>133974602
Unless you can prepare for more than one outcome. There are three possibilities, that's not many to prepare for. One's ranged, and two are basically punches with varying lengths of distance. If someone can come along and just prepare for three possible attacks, they have a complete advantage. I mean if you think of that attack and try to guess which one it is and prepare for it, you're retarded.
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What did they mean by this? I'm being serious
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>>133975725
And you were wrong. It's a necessity to use his power, not arbiatry rules he used to power up his attacks. Or do you really believe he uses this on purpose to make his attacks stronger and would be able to use his power without it?
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>>133975732
Explain to me how you could "prepare" for it. You're forgetting that rock is actually really powerful and even scared Morel, who is by no means weak.
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>>133974181
It sounds like you think the restriction is the risk of death, which it would be if Kurapika was dumb, but you're forgetting that the main limitation is that he can't use his most trained ability on anyone except a few people. That's a pretty fucking useless ability in the grand scheme of things, if it wasn't for his revenge it would be a total waste of time and effort. When the troupe are dead so are those powers.
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>>133975817
Well dodging mostly, and blocking it. Obviously if someone comes along who can't dodge his attack and would be wiped away by its force, they'll lose. That's not very interesting though, as it would just come down to a match of raw strength.
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>>133975811
The only way he can use his Nen ability is by completely dropping all offense and performing retarded hand gestures while keeping the enemy at bay.
He can't even land a punch while the statue attacks, sounds like a restriction to me.
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>>133975811
>It's a necessity to use his power, not arbiatry rules he used to power up his attacks.
No, it's a rule he set up for himself. Have you actually read this series? Did you miss the part where he spent like a decade just doing the same thing over and over again so he could be more powerful? The condition for being able to bring up the buddha is to pray. That's a restriction.
>Or do you really believe he uses this on purpose to make his attacks stronger and would be able to use his power without it?
No, that's why it's a condition. It's the same thing as Gon having to call out his attack.
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>>133965888
>Chimera ant arc is literally 140 chapters long
why is this allowed?
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>>133975872
Did they actually ever explain how restricted nen powers are? If you already have developed some powers, are you able to develop powers that go into a different direction instead building onto the powers you already developed? If Kurapika is stuck with his abilities the restriction actually makes sense, since he is losing not only one his key moves but also is limited to that set of moves. If not, what stops him to develop different techniques, maybe even something based on the same principle like Chain Jail?
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>>133975732
Try to imagine Ja-Janken on the hands of skilled and experienced nen users like the spiders.

>Opponent is far away, blast him with paper
>Opponent is up close, smash his bones with rock
>Opponent is evading/dodging/running, slice him in half with surprise 180° slash

It's a pretty nice technique which is very versatile and apt to any combat situation, a pretty sweet deal for an enhancement user who pulls everything into his own body and speed.
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>>133975895
>you just have to dodge it
You can say that for literally any attack in the universe
Also if you tried to block it, even if you could, you could still get cut in half like that centipede guy
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>>133975981
It's not the same kind of restriction Kurapika uses, don't you get it? It's the very concept of his ability while Kurapika sets a rule to increase the power of his ability. Netoro can't even use his ability without it. It's about the same restriction as a sword ability user has to use a sword for his ability to work.
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>>133973405
>his buddha looked weak as fuck against Meruem
It allowed him to battle evenly with a character who, up to that point, was presented as invincible and all-powerful. If anything, it looked strong as fuck.
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>>133976113
>I can only use this power against the spiders
>I can only use this power while praying
Sounds like a restriction to me.
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>>133976113
>It's the very concept of his ability while Kurapika sets a rule to increase the power of his ability.
No, it's the exact same actually. Kurapika wouldn't be able to use chain jail at all if he didn't put his life on the line, he didn't "strengthen it". Same for Gon. It's like saying "zero hand draining the aura of Netero isn't a restriction, it's just what you have to do to use it".
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>>133976195
Of course he would be able to use Chain Jail, it just wouldn't be as strong.

Also no, it's completely different since it's the very concept behind Neteros ability while Kurapika adds a restriction after the fact.
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>>133976270
>Of course he would be able to use Chain Jail, it just wouldn't be as strong.
But that's wrong you fucking retard. Kurapika's master told him that "i'll only use it on the spiders" wasn't strong enough of a restriction for an ability like this. So he wouldn't be able to use it at all.
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>>133976123
>battle evenly
Meh, Meruem wanted Netero alive. He aimed to specific body parts, if he wanted to kill him he could have taken his head instead of his leg.
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>>133976359
He still managed to stall him for a good amount of time.
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>>133976359
He forced Meruem to use every ounce of his physical and mental power and it still took him a while to get past his defenses. To me that sounds like fighting evenly.
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>>133976338
Calling me a retard with a reaction image doesn't make you right. If you're losing your temper you better just quit now.

Chain Jail would have worked without the restriction but Kurapika actually expects nearly unbreakable chains. It wouldn't match his expectations without the restriction but the technique would actually work regardless even if the effect would have been very weak compared to the final Chain Jail we see in the manga.
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>>133976359
>if he wanted to kill him he could have taken his head instead of his leg.
I never got that impression. Meruem had a hard time figuring out the 1/10000 chance for him to get past his defenses and actually hit, which was always something sticking at the far edges of his defence (arm, leg etc)
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>>133976507
but if is weaker than the chain jail from the manga might as well use normal chains
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>>133976507
Ignore the reaction image and the part where i call you a retard if it makes you angry then.
My point still stands. You're entirely using baseless speculation while i'm straight up quoting the manga. You may stop posting now.
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>>133976546
The main draw was removing nen aura. I mean if you attack someone who is weak physically it might work rather well.
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What's the best place to read the manga ?
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>>133976616
Bakabt.
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>>133976584
That doesn't make any sense since he already developed the technique before he set the final restriction on it.
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>>133976606
Not once is it stated that it'd be enough of a condition to force someone into zetsu. As a matter of fact Kurapika's master said it was too weak. You're still ignoring this by the way.
>>133976764
Now you're bullshitting. He already set the condition before he mentionned it for the first time.
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>>133976535
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>>133977017
He said it was too weak but not that it wouldn't work. There must be an actual fundament for the technique to exist. Do you think Kurapika would be retarded enough to use an unproven concept? The technique is the very key to beating the spiders. Without it Kurapika would have been killed by Uvogin for sure.
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>>133977200
He said it was too weak of a restriction for an ability this powerful. That pretty much means it wouldn't work in context. Why else would he say it?
Also yes, it was an unproven concept. Kurapika didn't know if the chains were strong enough, that's why he tested it against Uvo.
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>>133965888
>Before John Cena Storyline
>After John Cena Storyline
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>>133977355
It's one thing to benchmark the chains against the strongest enemy but another to go in not knowing if the concept even works at all. That makes various other things hard to believe and proves my point at the start the Kurapika is way working above his level, skipping experimenting completely. Gon and Killua actually tried out a shitload of things before they came up with their refined techniques.
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