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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
If you give up, it means you never wanted it.
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読め!
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>>133908764
アニメを見て英語の字幕を読みます
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>>133908764
聞く !
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Since this thread is on /a/, what anime are you guys watching for listening practice?
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>>133909192
http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=983456
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>>133909192
I don't watch anime.
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>>133909278
Me neither. Too old for that shit
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How long have you been studying?

http://strawpoll.me/6086223
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>>133909192
Himouto! Umaru-chan, Gintama, Aldanoah.Zero, and others...
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>>133909192
Yuru Yuri, Gochiusa.

Ill watch owarimonogatari when the season ends.
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>>133909476
>[English]
>>>/r/learnjapanese
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>>133909336
>discrimination against the 4+ year elite
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>>133909546
What sort of loser sticks around in a beginners language learning thread when they've been studying for more than four years?

That would be fucking pathetic, like going back to the fifth grade when you are a year ten student.
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>>133909171
>not in te form or imperative
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>>133909336
I'm still waiting for some free time to consistenly start studying it.
That time will never come.
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>tfw you can understand chinese
我爱你
holy mother fuckin shit senpai
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>>133909636
>implying you wouldn't go back to bully 5th graders if you could get away with it
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>>133909646
>has time to browse /djt/
>doesn't have time to study
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>>133909712
I only have short spans of free time, enough to shitpost but not enough for anything else.
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>>133909701
Not everyone is pathetic are you are, anon. I'd kill myself before that happened.
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>>133909680
Does it mean masturbation?
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Which is correct to refer to something found one a web page? Example: あるページ(で・に・から)その情報が見つけました
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>>133909751
Those twerps deserve all the bullying you could give them. Just like this thread does.
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>>133909747
Use those short spans of times to do anki reps
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>>133909680
even easier, except for 亮: 夜空中最亮的星
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>>133909680
I can navigate various Chinese sites when looking for things to download but for the life of me cannot pronounce the hanzi/words. Always muddle up 2nd/3rd tones. Chinese people don't seem to give a shit about tones at all; they slur more than drunk Japanese おじいさん.

>>133909747
>I only have short spans of free time
So use Anki and problem solved.

>>133909830
I wish 4chan had a feature which forced posts to be read out to the poster before they went through. Maybe then you'd realise how tragic you are. /a/ has long since separated from anime/random. That is, you don't have to act like a clown here in order to fit in.
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>>133909863
Does it mean the Pole Star?
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>>133909937
>I wish 4chan had a feature which forced posts to be read out to the poster before they went through. Maybe then you'd realise how tragic you are. /a/ has long since separated from anime/random. That is, you don't have to act like a clown here in order to fit in.
Right back at you.
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>>133909938
I don't know, if only there were a net page that allowed one to check for translations between Chinese and English.
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>>133910009
I don't know any chinese dictionaries
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>>133909863
clearest star in the night sky
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>>133909327
Yeah, anime is for kids. Just ask your average Japanese girl.
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>>133909768
should be を見つけました
or 見つかりました or 見つけられました
と思うよ

for finding something on/in somewhere, i am pretty sure the particle you want is に
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>>133910916
Right, I wasn't thinking when I wrote が, my grammar is weak, thanks.
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Why don't translators just use "H" instead of "ecchi"? Isn't it the same thing considering japanese are literally pronouncing "H", even using katakana to spell it out. And "H" is short for "H"entai which I'm sure anyone should know if they've involved themselves with this media long enough.
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>>133911173
I get what you're saying but the Japanese usually write it out as エッチ instead of just "H". Might as well transliterate it the same way they write it.
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>>133909336
>http://strawpoll.me/6086223
Make a proper poll you fucking idiot. Someone who's been studying for 1 day fits into every single one of those categories. Is English your 15th language?
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>>133911864
No, I'm just not an autist.
Any sane person seeing that poll knows what to do, and if they want to lie, then rephrasing the answers a little bit won't change that.
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How do I set up Load Balancer? Do I just install it and let it do its thing?
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>franchise you really like
>avoiding new entries because your vision for watching/playing/reading them does not involve English, and you want to get good enough that you can relax and enjoy
>eventually wind up behind the times; fucking everybody watched/read/played it a long time ago

I must have five or so of these by now.

At least I've been feeling super motivated these past few days, and have gotten a lot of reading done. I might actually finish a visual novel sometime within the next couple of months.
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>>133912482
Just struggle your way through it in Japanese, maybe you'll even learn something.
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After this week I'll have reviewed every vocab word and grammar point on my lists for N3. What should I do afterwards? I'm planning on just reading through NHK easy articles and watching the videos that come with them for listening practice.
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>>133912758

I'd rather not ruin them by turning them into chores.
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>>133912874
You'll probably have long forgotten about them by the time you could read them through with ease. Might as well bite the bullet.
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>>133912873
... N2?
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>>133912914
no
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A friend mentioned some super test of Japanese that most native speakers can't even pass.

Does anyone know if that's a real thing and/or what it's called?
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>>133912991
漢検一級
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>>133912991
Kanji Kentei. Passing the highest level requires knowledge of 6000+ kanji as well as other insane things.
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Level 1

Tests everything from Pre Level 1
Ability to read and write 6000 kanji
Tests special or unusual kanji readings
Tests place and country names
Tests “the ability to recognize relationship between modern and ancient or old character forms”
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>>133912874

Also, I'm still at a point where I sometimes can't follow the conversation 100%. I ran into one part today where I'm still not even sure how the conversation went where it did. Admittedly, I'd been reading for hours, and was getting kinda tired.

Basically, if I'm really looking forward to something, I don't want to spend the entire time looking up words, and I don't want it dotted with issues like that. Especially since most of them are going to be more plot-driven than moege, and failing to understand one back and forth exchange could have bigger consequences than just missing a joke.
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>>133913027
>>133913099
>6000 Kanji

What? Most japanese people spend their whole lives studying just the first 2,000 Kanji, what kind of superhuman native amphetaNEET can learn three times that?
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>>133913099
You forgot these:
>an 80% score is required for levels 2, pre-1 and 1
>level 1 is so difficult that fewer than two thousand people take it each time it is offered, and fewer than 15% of those pass
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>>133913203
This faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJf1IXAupmY
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>>133913203
Pretentious hobbyists.
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>>133912914
Were you asking if I meant to say that I'm taking the N2, or were you saying to study N2 material?
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I suck at grammar, but it triggers me so hard seeing howaito piggu type awful broken Japanese.
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>>133913270
Yet he still sounds like a poofter when he talks.
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>>133913270
>tfw you know how to say dust in jap but he didnt
Im better than a mother fucking nippongo master senpai
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What does the ムラ mean here?
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>>133913417
Okay.
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>>133913716
Thank you for the acknowledgement.
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>>133913673
むらむら
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>>133913270
>BOOOOOOOORN IN THE USA
I love all the ridiculous copyrighted music Japanese news uses.
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I don't get why 2ch is so hard when novels are so easy
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>>133913987
Dank Japanese memes
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>>133913987
2ch is garbage anyway, the only thing you should try to understand is porn and maybe a couple games.
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>>133914190
http://anago.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/youth/1219498508/
But I want to know what happened with the 2008 Japanese beta uprising
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After a certain point it becomes impossible to be satisfied with just porn and games. Every bit of Japanese you don't understand will be a prickling thorn of irritation, glaring evidence of your own inadequacy. In order to learn enough Japanese to understand porn, you must first allow yourself to be engulfed in the language, what was first merely a means to an end becomes the end itself, having stared upon the abyss of language it will be inevitable that you are consumed by it yourself. There is no finding satisfaction in imperfection and inadequacy. There is only a drive for improvement within the language.
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>>133914358
And the you become this guy >>133913270
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>>133914358
Just don't kill yourself.
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>>133914422
Eh. The kanken tests stuff you never see outside of it so it is not really something that will drive you to improve. For example, 2ch and the newspaper and whatnot just has normal Japanese, so there's a drive to learn it, to know Japanese. There is no drive to learn obscure, unused kanji in the kanken, just as there is no real drive to learn obscure English words that one never sees.
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>being able to watch Japanese TV
This is the best feeling.

Hamada Bamyu Bamyu looks like it's really taking off this time around, too. I was pretty shocked to see 600k views for the latest single in a day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37mvflxEcfg
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>>133914534
Jap tv is retarded.
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>>133914644
GCCX
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>>133914534
ヤ○ザなにやってんの
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>>133914673
>one show
That's not enough.
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>>133914819
Please choose the more likely scenario:
1) You know enough Japanese TV shows to call all of it retarded while backpedalling on certain good shows.
2) You do not know enough Japanese TV shows and are therefore ignorant of many good ones and therefore call it all retarded.
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>anime is shit!
>manga is for children!
>japanese TV sucks!
>video games are for manchildren!
>japanese novels are all the same!

why are you people learning japanese?
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>>133914899
Anime tends to be good, there's plenty of seinen manga and plain good manga in general, Japanese TV has some nice shows, video games are for all ages, Japanese novels are no more the same than novels of any language tend to be
>why are you people learning japanese?
To increase chances of fucking Japanese girl.
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>>133914899
I subscribe only to one of those opinions.
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>>133914883
You don't need to know Japanese to recognise obvious shit.
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>>133914899

You forgot-

>working in Japan
>lol enjoy the soulless life of a Japanese salaryman

Where you make a mistake:

>implying that these are all the same person

Obviously, if you're here, you have SOMETHING that you want out of Japanese.
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Who JLPT here
http://strawpoll.me/6087256
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>>133914899
>why are you people learning japanese?
For its own sake. I see it as a hobby, more than anything.
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>>133915005
You do need to watch a lot of shows and be informed
Someone turning on "English" television and seeing Jersey Shore-type reality shows, is not someone who should be talking about all English television as a whole, likewise, a gaijin going off variety television shouldn't talk about all of Japanese television.
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>>133915047
Where's the "JLPT is a worthless piece of shit for dumb normies" option?
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>>133915047
Where's the no option?
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>>133914899
>>anime is shit!
True

>>manga is for children!
The great majority of them, they're also shit

>>japanese TV sucks!
Very true

>>video games are for manchildren!
Depends, there are many games an intelligent adult can enjoy.
Of course. they don't tend to be Japanese.

>>japanese novels are all the same!
Often true.
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>>133915094
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>>133915153
someone post the WRPG women faces vs. JRPG women faces one
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>>133913270

>This guys does writing drills

ABSOLUTELY BASED

I will no longer doubt.
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>>133915189
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>>133915262
You kind of have to do writing drills when you're taking a test that requires you to write.
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>>133915153
もっと、もっと厨二成分を叩きこめ
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>>133914922

I remember some dumb feminist landwhale trying to claim that it was sexist to learn a language in order to stand a better chance at fucking their women.

Her reasoning, when confronted about being so hateful towards men and male sexuality that she has a problem with men even doing so much as seeking out ideal partners? According to her, "learning the language so that you can actually communicate with them" is the same as "feeling that they have an obligation to fuck you". Also, she assumed that he was unattractive, and that the only thing that he should be working on is the gym (yeah, don't bother learning her language, just take your pants off and hope that she gets the message; that'll go over well).

She was extremely stubborn about this, too, even when I pointed out that the poster that she was responding to initially said nothing to indicate that he felt that he was entitled to Japanese pussy regardless of their opinions, and only said that he was learning Japanese because he wanted to fuck them, which is a rational course of action if you're looking for consensual sex.

Goddamn, I hate feminists. "I don't hate men, or treat men like rapists by default" my ass.
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>>133915153
>mfw it's actually true
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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>>133915524
Don't play many JRPGs I gather?
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>>133915617
JRPGs are the absolute worst on that matter.
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>>133915617

Or WRPGs, for that matter.
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>>133915672
The guy is prettier than the girl
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>>133915667
Again: Don't play too many JRPGs I gather?
>>133915672
WRPGs are so heavily cloaked in tolkein / dnd fantasy that Westerners can't see it for the chuuni it is half the time
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>>133915570
You CAN wake up on time!
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>>133915713

Pretty women are sexist.
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>>133915713
Would you fuck him?
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>>133915617
The single only half-decent JRPG series left that is popular both in the west and east is filled with that garbage,
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>>133915795
>popular
Yawn.
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>>133915808
Post good JRPGs made in the last 3 years.
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>>133915904
Bloodborne.
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>>133915904
Undertale
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>>133915937
Oh look, it's one of those retards who SERIOUSLY think JRPG means games with levels and made in Japan.
Never fails to make me laugh.
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>>133915771
If he had a vagina and shaved his facial hair
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>>133915994
Okay, the latest Pokemon game then. Sperg.
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>>133915904
Ni No Kuni was very relaxing and homely, definitely no dumb chuuni shit.
Dragons Crown was raw fantasy.
Ys 1&2 Chronicles / Memories of Celceta- enough said
FFXIV may as well be a WRPG
Does Monster Hunter/Soul Sacrifice count?
Crimson Shroud was an okay E-shop game
Fate/Extra boyyeee
Persona 4 Golden didn't have much chuuni
Nippon Ichi games: Legasista, Disgaea 5, etc
The Last Story is a good wii game I hear

And these are just more well known games. Genius of Sappheiros, for example.
>>133915994
Don't be pedantic
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>>133915904
Ni No Kuni is the only good one I could think of
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Of course is this also overlooking the fact that the most "real" JRPGs are on snes, and most of those are just standard brown-haired nameless protags trecking through a dragon quest-esque world (link lufia 2) so I don't know why the limit of past 3 years was desired.
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>>133916205
It's to prove that the genre is fucking dead
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>>133916226
If we look at it from Mr Pedantic's viewpoint, I imagine a ~JRPG~ has to be turn based for whatever the fuck reason, so yeah of course it's dead, turn based is archaic as absolute shit and not nearly as enjoyable as any real time system. No argument here. Only thing I disagree with is the absolutely unfounded, absolutely stupid viewpoint that JRPGs are all anime pretty boys that are vampire chuuni edgelords with 10000,0000 chakras or whatever. It's /v/-tier bias with very little basis in any actual games. If you actually play JRPGs you'll find most protagonists to be just normal RPG dudes. Like Chronos from Chono Trigger, the Firion from FF2, etc etc.
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>>133916292
No one ever said anything about being turn based, Bloodborne (and souls series) is even more of a WRPG than FFXIV, which you said yourself it might as well be a WRPG.
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>>133916411
I won't push the subject, he was the one who brought up the pedantic argument of JRPG vs WRPG. For me, if it's an RPG made in Japanese that's enough for it to be a JRPG. Going any deeper than that starts to violate intersubjectivity and leads it into a pedantic argument with no real value. I only said FFXIV may as well be a WRPG because the character designs were very western, nothing to do with gameplay.
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>>133916484
Characters looking western or eastern is just as subjective as gameplay or world style being western or eastern
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なんだかんだいっても巫女装束はおすきなんでしょう?
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The distinction between WRPG and JRPG was first made when the west was heavily influenced by DnD, leading to games like Wizardy, while Japan was heavily influenced by Dragon Quest (itself a derivative of wizardy). At this point the terms no longer hold much meaning because clearly 3d action games are not like dnd or DQ at all.
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>>133916547
Miko is the best costume along with chinese dress and sukumizu

maid a shit
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2016 is looking like a particularly good year for home console JRPGs:
- Final Fantasy XV
- World of Final Fantasy
- Kingdom Hearts 2.8
- Dragon Quest XI
- Nier Automata
- Star Ocean 5
- Valkyria: Azure Revolution
- Tales of Berseria
- Persona 5
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>>133916778
>- Valkyria: Azure Revolution
That's not even JRPG it's some action shit
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>>133916778
>- Nier Automata
Oh shit, the original Nier was fucking great. Still listen to dat OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IEbfDtDaUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x0-EYfwP-c
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>>133916626
>巫女用の女物白衣は袖の身八ツ口が前後とも開口しており、袂は袋状に閉じられていない。

浴衣と違って、脇の下からおさわりができないようになっている
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Anyone could help me read a japanese captcha?

I'm trying to use google translation to write them out but I can't do it in time before the captcha get reset ;_;
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>>133916909
NO
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>>133916826
>not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmc3yji0G84

>>133916928
;_;
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>>133916909
No, they exist to keep the gaijin out.
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>>133916909
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>>133916909
Stay out white devil
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I guess no matter how tough Japanese gets, I'll always have the pride of learning all Jouyou kanji in 1 year whereas natives took 14 or however many.
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>>133917054
That's nothing to be especially proud of.
Asians cheat their IQ tests, that has been known for a while.
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>>133917078
You can't take the sky from me
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>narrator uses ぼく
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一人称の豊富な言語が
沢山のアニメキャラを作り出す
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>narrator uses おれ
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>>133916901
>身八ツ口

ずっと耳から聞いて「みやすくち」だと思ってたけど、みやつくちだったのね。書き漢字もいままでしらなかったよ。おにいちゃん
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>>133917432
>>133917618
>narrator uses 私
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>narrator uses 吾輩
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>それでね、おやすみを言わないで寝るのもなーと思って…
>and, I think not saying goodnight and the sleeping event もなー

What is the point of "もなー" here? She was just previously talking about "getting passionate about" a game last night.
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>>133917831
>おやすみを言わないで寝るの
pretty sure this is a euphemism for sex
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>>133918306
Going to be without saying goodnight?
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>>133918306
It definitely isn't
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>>133917054
>being proud of doing 6 new kanji a day
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>>133915570
I don't mind Yuuna being posted every thread because the more times I see a picture of Yuuna each day the better, but I feel the "shitposting" bit is too negative for Yuuna's image. Can you replace it with something more positive and uplifting, more like what you had back when you started?
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>>133918755
Hey, tell that to the Japanese who do 0.391 a day.
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>>133918786
You have the benefit of not being a preschooler for most of the learning period.
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>>133918826
I didn't say I had no advantages. Merely that I am superior.
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>order 80€ game from Japan to Europe
>they know I have to pay a huge amount of taxes if it's over a certain price range, and that it'll come to me 1 week later because of going through customs
>they wrote value 20€ on the package so I don't have to go through any of that shit
why are Japanese people so nice?
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>>133919253
People in general are nice.
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>>133919286
Except muslims
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>このどてかぼちゃ
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>>133919466
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>>133919286
If only I knew my japanese playstation store account
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>>133919377
True dat. Fuck 'em.
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>>133909983
>y-you too
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>>133918587
That's what I used to say to my little sister before bed, so at least in one context it is.
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>>133919752
Except he had a pretty good point there bud. Pointing out hypocrisy is a valid response
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>majority of words that really get nailed down to the point where I'll never forget them at least had some support from anki; for example, couldn't remember 携帯 for the life of me until I started running into 帯 in Kore
>on the flip side, there are words in anki that I know that I would be getting wrong if I hadn't spent some time reading every day for the past week

You really do need to do both at once, if your schedule allows for it.
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>>133919466
you are a pumpkin on the bank.
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>>133919466
>どてかぼちゃ
Love how so many Japanese insults, etc. involve food. Not sure if this is remotely accurate, but if it is, it's kind of a brilliant insult. http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q138968988

>>133919845
That isn't hypocrisy because the post was fine. If it was a stupid post, it would be hypocritical. Calling out stupid shit isn't the same as posting stupid shit, anon.

>>133919903
Anki is designed to remind the user of facts just before they slip out of memory so it is kind of a strain to only use Anki to keep them fresh in your memory. Skipping reviews in Anki is like letting things slip out of memory and failing to find -in the context of vocabulary- the facts in their natural context frequently enough is like pushing that "reviewing just prior to forgetting" further on the knife edge of memory.
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>>133920011
>このどてかぼちゃが
このWindows8が
ってかんじかな
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>>133919286

It's more accurate to say that there are nice people everywhere. There are assholes everywhere, too.


>>133919377

I've known some very nice Muslims.

These people create a trap that's easy to fall into if you don't know a lot about the world at large, aren't very bright, and have been taught that you're supposed to be blindly tolerant towards certain things and are looking to have this belief validated: Meeting nice Muslims acts as proof to them that Islam isn't inherently bad, and that the people who reject Islam are simply blinded by hate. What they fail to realize is that their favorite bit of reasoning doesn't only apply when it leads to acceptance. This small handful of people does not represent the oppressive reality brought about by the teachings of Islam across the world, where drawings are banned, most music is banned, women wear burkas and aren't allowed to be educated, people who abandon Islam are executed, women are punished for being raped, non-Muslims pay a non-Muslim tax, and gays are executed, all of this enforced by sharia law. Rather, these American Muslims represent a comparatively tiny group of outlier Muslims in a group of countries where Islam doesn't hold any real power... yet. If we let this growth fester, I can guarantee you that most of its non-Muslim defenders will not like the effect that it has on the western world.
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>>133920262

>American Muslims

Meant to correct this to western Muslims in general, thus the odd wording.
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I wonder if a black person has ever passed Kanji Kentei level 1. If not, then if I were black, I might have aimed to become the first black person to pass Kanji Kentei level 1.

(sage)
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ayone could explain me why the kanjis for the US are 米国? it amuses me that call the US as the Country of Rice
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>>133920581
米国 isn't really used in modern Japanese that much. It's used mostly in official documents or news. Modern Japs just call it アメリカ.
Also, does that dog have a BONE to pick with me?
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>>133920581
米 from 亜米利加 which is America written in ateji, kanji which just represent the pronunciation not meaning.
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どの国どの民族どの宗教どの人種どの星

過激派というは、いつもうまれ、迷惑を振りまくのが世の常なれば、

そのときそのときの「くくり」は、ただただ、わけのわからないままにまきこまれたくないという、そのみみっちい得心のためだけに、くくられているのではないかなとおもわない?
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>>133920687
>>133920715
へんじ を くれてありがとう
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What are you listening while studying?
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when is DJT gonna get its own アフィブロ
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>>133921385
Music is for niggers.
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>>133921385
色々アニメの主題歌
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>>133921483

>hating music in general

Muslim detected.
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父さんの会社が倒産した
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>>133921385

I was about to say that I can't focus with music going, but then I remembered that I do that all time with VNs.

Then I was going to say that I can't focus with music that isn't really meant to take up all of the listener's attention, such BGMs, but then I remembered that VNs have BGMs that can and do catch my attention.

So, I guess I just don't listen to music while studying due to the misconception that I can't focus while listening to music.
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>>133921604
そりゃお気の毒だな。オレって最近、布団が吹っ飛んだ。
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>>133921385
The rain and the traffic outside.
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>>133921660
I usually just lower the volume so I can focus on studying and not on listening to music.
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>>133920262
>>133920839
I think the important thing to note is that Islam is, by its very teachings and essence, a religion of hate, destruction, discrimination and violence. It may be true that many peaceful and kind Muslims exist, but that's because they choose to ignore or willfully misinterpret the teachings of Islam which contradict their own conscience, not because Islam itself is a religion of peace. Therefore it's perfectly valid to criticise Muslims as a whole, and dispense with the "but there are plenty of nice ones" crap.
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>>133915094
I unironically agree with all of that

I still enjoy video games though, even if they are for manchildren. At least there's an active component to them.

Unlike cartoons and comic books which are passively shit.

As for the novels. I'm sick and tired of them being focused on people, rather than ideas or events. They're like fucking JDramas (which are shit) in written form
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>>133922188
The exact same could be said about every major Abrahamic religion because their holy books are basically: the jews wrote it, the heretical jews made a spin off and became christians, then later the arabs adapted the source material and founded Islam.


All of which has nothing to do with /a/ or learning Japanese.

>>133922223
You unironically agree with meaningless wide generalisations?
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>>133922223
Which one of you faggots is spamming links to djt on facebook?

Fuck off.
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>>133922333
>generalisations are inherently incorrect

tumblr?
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Someone do a daily tip thing.
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>>133921664
布団と言えば、この頃全然眠れなくてなぁ。妹は本当に怖がり屋でいつも夜中に布団に潜り込んでながら起こしてしまう。でもまあ、あの泣き顔をして「お兄ちゃん怖れちゃう」って言ってなんとなく放り出せないな。
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>>133922816
Learning words and grammar is a good way of learning Japanese
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>>133922333
>You unironically agree with meaningless wide generalisations?
I bet you also think Muslims aren't terrorists and that we shouldn't stop refugees just because of the actions of "some" of them.
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Has anyone taken the W10 upgrade? How is it once you disable the privacy stuff? Is it still too intrusive? Are chiitrans lite and the VNs you've tried working fine?

I'm likely going to upgrade my main PC to W10, but I'm considering keeping my laptop on 8.1 if 10 has too many compatibility issues with Japanese software & Japanese learning tools.
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>>133923070
I'll just keep W7 in my vidya pc, maybe upgrade to W8 when support ends
Still using GNU Plus Linux on my other systems
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>>133915047
Whats the reasoning for taking N4?
does the confirmation that you speak japanese on the level of a baby give any satisfaction?
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>>133923128
People love tests and arbitrary, meaningless benchmarks

Same reason people love to add the CEFR labels to their languages.
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>>133923070
>How is it once you disable the privacy stuff?
>he thinks he can disable the botnet
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>>133923070
There's literally no benefit to upgrading to W10. Why would you?
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Don't respond to /v/ermin who think it's okay for them to post here because they know hiragana.
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>>133923213
What?
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>>133923242
Don't mind him.
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I did the test 6 months ago and got 302.

Grammar score increased by 6, all other scores dropped 1 point.

Also, many of the questions were the same as last time.
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今日は晴れです。
きょうははれです。

Which sentences can you read easily?
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>>133917054
>I'll always have the pride of learning all Jouyou kanji in 1 year whereas natives took 14 or however many.

Yes, as stupid children. That's nothing to be proud of.
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>>133920262
>This small handful of people does not represent the oppressive reality brought about by the teachings of Islam across the world, where drawings are banned, most music is banned, women wear burkas and aren't allowed to be educated, people who abandon Islam are executed, women are punished for being raped, non-Muslims pay a non-Muslim tax, and gays are executed, all of this enforced by sharia law.

This was true of Christianity once too, but isn't anymore. Correlation is not causation.
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>>133923471
>今日は晴れです。
Today (ha) clear up (re) desu

It is clear today?
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>>133923647
>that's actually almost correct

Holy shit I just read and understood my first Japanese sentence
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>>133923647
Why is that a question instead of a statement?
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>>133924131
He's probably asking if his interpretation is correct
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>>133923862
每天都有许多计算机用户使用一个被改动过的GNU 系统 (18k 字节),但是他们并没有意识到它。 经过一系列的事件,现在被广泛使用的 GNU 版本则经常被称作“Linux”,可是许多用户并不了解与之相关的 GNU 工程。

Linux 确实存在;它是一个内核,许多人都在使用它。但是你不能仅使用内核本身。内核只有作为整个系统的一个部分才有用处。Linux 是和 GNU 操作系统结合在一起使用:系统本身是 GNU,与 Linux 作为内核一起工作。

许多用户没有并不完全了解 Linux 内核和被称作“Linux”的整个系统的区别。而不加区别地使用这个名字并不能对理解有帮助。
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>駐車場
fuck, differentiating the や, し, ち, じ sounds shouldn't be this hard to me yet I sound like a slurring retard every time I come across something like this
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>>133924268
This looks like liquefied shit and isn't japanese.
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>>133923862
おめでとう!
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>>133923242
Ignore.
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>>133922188
Have you ever read the Old Testament? It's all about war and destruction.
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>>133924353
Seems you haven't read the new testament.
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>>133923471
what's the difference between きょう and こんいち?
I keep making the mistake of reading 今日 as こんいち.
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>>133924402
それはとても難しいと思います。
私は日本人なので耳に慣れているほうが正しいと判断しますが、これには多くの経験が必要です。

感覚的には、コンニチは硬い表現で改まった席で(on a formal occasion)で使われる傾向があります。
キョウは日常的な表現で、圧倒的にこちらの場合が多いです。
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>>133924353
Christian values come from the New Testament.
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>>133923070
>I'm likely going to downgrade my main PC to W10
Fixed
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何このパッケージ… まさか、噂のcompelling contentと言うやつだと?!
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Is the reason that Yuropoor languages (excluding English, obviously) have so little compelling content because most of the musicians and other creative types from those countries make their songs and such in English instead of their own languages, presumably for the sake of international popularity?

Maybe Japs being horrible at English has actually worked in their language's favour.
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>>133925090
English is not European, if you do not find any compelling contents in European languages it just means you're a dumb, uncultured anglo puppet.
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>>133925090
>HURR DURR DURRF DURRF HUURR
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What's a good way to find random useful vocab online?
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>>133925115
>English is not European

>originates from the European continent
>is basically a clusterfuck of other European languages
>hurr english isn't european :DDDDD
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>>133923471
The one with kanji. There's a reason Japs use it.
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>>133925153
The Island Jew is not part of Mother Europa.
Having to steal Europeans' languages to make their own gibberish just goes to show their nature.
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>>133925090
I've noticed this too. Like when you take Spanish in high school and you think "Wow, all this media is fucking trash". Other countries are weird assholes.
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>>133925197
>The Island Jew is not part of Mother Europa.
We are geographically, at least.

>Having to steal Europeans' languages to make their own gibberish just goes to show their nature.
That's the fault of Norman snowniggers I think.
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>>133925129
You know what's useful? Words you come across while reading.
Read.
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>>133925100
Does region lock exist for Jap content?
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>>133925270
I am reading, but I have decks in anki that are dedicated to manga that I've finished and am waiting for new volumes to come out for, and I'd rather populate them with random vocab instead of just doing them as relearn exclusive decks
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>>133925265
>That's the fault of Norman snowniggers I think.
I was right. Turns out it's also the fault of Norwegian and Danish snowniggers.

>In the period from the 8th to the 12th century, Old English gradually transformed through language contact into Middle English.
>First, the waves of Norse colonisation of northern parts of the British Isles in the 8th and 9th centuries put Old English into intense contact with Old Norse, a North Germanic language. Norse influence was strongest in the Northeastern varieties of Old English spoken in the Danelaw area around York, which was the centre of Norse colonisation; today these features are still particularly present in Scots and Northern English.
>With the Norman conquest of England in 1066, the now norsified Old English language was subject to contact with the Old Norman language, a Romance language closely related to Modern French. The Norman language in England eventually developed into Anglo-Norman. Because Norman was spoken primarily by the elites and nobles, while the lower classes continued speaking Anglo-Saxon, the influence of Norman consisted of introducing a wide range of loanwords related to politics, legislation and prestigious social domains. Middle English also simplified the inflectional system. The distinction between nominative and accusative case was lost except in personal pronouns, the instrumental case was dropped, and the use of the genitive case was limited to describing possession. The inflectional system regularised many irregular inflectional forms, and gradually simplified the system of agreement, making word order less flexible.
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>>133925353
No. You need to create a japanese psn account in order to redeem codes and download dlc, but once installed you have access to said dlc on your normal gaijin account and can play as normal
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>>133925353
Sony has none of that bullshit, unlike nintendo. Thank God people are figuring out how to pirate games on it, maybe a few more years and the emulator will be usable too.
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>>133925368
I don't understand exactly what you mean.
When you read, do you encounter words that you don't know but you would like to remember in the future? Add those.
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>>133922865
>怖れちゃう
>mfw when I read that as こわれちゃう
Gotta stop reading porn so much porn.
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薬品
薬物
薬剤
医薬品

i am already kill
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>>133924274
English has all of those sounds or at least very close sounds. I don't see the problem.

や - yup, yummy, yawn, yes (just the y- part for the last two)
し - she, sheep, shit
ち - chink, chimpanzee, chin
じ - Jimmy, jeez, jeep
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>>133925710
Goo has disambiguation pages for words with similar meanings. Learn to use it.

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/thsrs/654/meaning/m0u/
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>>133925710
>Kun reading
>4x On-reading in compounds
I could figure out the readings of the 4 lower compounds despite probably never having seen them, only other more useful words like 媚薬
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>>133925840
ありがとう先輩。参考になる
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>>133925090
There is much less compelling content produced anywhere outside the Anglosphere and Japan.

Part of this is due to simple economics. Japan and America are among the largest economies in terms of dollars, among the largest nations in terms of people, and among the richest nations in terms of median disposable income.

So, it's only natural that they produce a large amount of media.
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>>133917831
My assumption is
>、おやすみを言わないで寝るのも(アレだよ)な
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>>133925600
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>>133919752
>>133920011
>It was the argumentative autist the whole time.
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Does anyone else have problems with double clicking in anki? Clicking on "show answer" and then it goes ahead and clicks "good" for that card in the same click, fairly sure it's not my mouse
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>>133925090
no, there is plenty of compelling content in French and German
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>>133926433
Such as?

Nightmare mode: no centuries old literature
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>tfw you get drafted for WWIII and don't have any time to study anymore.
Fuck.
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>>133926473
Are you going to disallow modern literature and film as well?
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>>133926433
The only compelling content in German is extremely verbose academic writing like philosophy, and the only CC in French is independent films.
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>>133926494
You can still do anki reps, no matter what happens
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>>133926541
>>133926494
>anki can bloom on the battlefield
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>>133926525
I can use that generalisation to say the only compelling content in Japanese is comic books and children's cartoons
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>>133926576
Japan still produces entertainment on a vast scale.

What comes out of mainland Europe these days? Nothing but news reports, soaps, and other assorted garbage.
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>>133926376
You can Ctrl + Z in anki if you aren't aware. I usually use keyboard, though occasionally while using tablet that will happen to me.
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My speed is increasing

Is this what learning feels like?
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>>133926789
Looks like you're just starting, better look at your graph and see if you still feel confident of handling future reviews+new cards. Pace yourself because it's going to be a very long run.
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>>133926789
But can you become fast enough to pass the Anki Kentei?
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I'm taking jap 101 next semester because none of the classes I want are offered.

I guess I'm probably just gonna have to learn like Hiragana, Katakana and like 300-400 Kanji? Or should I prepare for even more?
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>>133927183
>Anki Kentei level 1
>2000 vocab cards in an hour
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>>133926789
>learn: 130
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>>133927274
More like Hiragana, Katakana and 20 kanji if half the stories I hear on DJT are true.
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>>133927274
That's probably the upper limit of what you should expect from a top quality course.

If none of the classes you want are on offer, why not go to another fucking school?
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>>133927506
Not that anon, but who has the money to just change schools?
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>>133927548
You've got to be pretty inept to go to a school that isn't offering the classes you want in the first place.

I know a college degree these days is worth about as much as a sheet of toilet paper, but is it that hard to plan?
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>>133927669
Most schools offer different classes depending on the semester.
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>>133927148
I'm about two weeks in. Usually I have about this many reviews but it takes me twice as long.

For some reason I struggled really hard with core2k at first, I shut off new cards for like four days because I was still fucking up the same 10.

But it sort of came together conceptually somehow and I'm having a way easier time committing new Kanji to memory now.

>>133927354
?
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>>133927669
>I know a college degree these days is worth about as much as a sheet of toilet paper
>says anon while he works at mcdonalds
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>>133928066
No, he's right. The job market for new grads is still turbofucked, especially in some fields (and no I don't mean women's studies and philosophy).

Even STEM grads need to have a relevant internship to get anything right now. If you've got no relevant work history, the degree is worthless. If you've got work history, the degree is worthless.

It's weird, college is basically just a necessary avenue to get a good internship for two years.
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>>133927506
I checked the few credible local schools, I'm planning on taking ODE's, Discrete math and introductory analysis but they're all offered on weird campuses and impossible to get to without a car. So I stuck with one of those and am filling up my schedule with shit like microcontrollers and a physics class.
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>>133927991
That's not going to last so enjoy it. Don't go trigger happy though because what may be fun and easy today can be very different down the road. You said you stopped adding new cards because you got stuck on 10? Imagine when it happens to 50 or even a hundred and suddenly you can't even finish your reviews never mind new cards. Don't deviate too much or too often from your normal pace.
You're not going to listen. I know because I've been there.
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>Be me
>2 days ago
>Be working at some consumer electronics store in the middle of Georgia
>Some guy come in speaking Japanese
>Not thinking, say あのねぇ、日本人でしょか?
>They both look at me
>notice I'm black
>They both start hysterically laughing.
>Walk out the store still laughing.
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>>133927991
Wait until you get to 500 cards and you get hit with another 10 or so 下 and 上 words
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>>133928434
guys*

There were two of them, forgot the "s"
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>>133927991
>fucking up the same 10

Decrease the leech threshold or just suspend the cards yourself if you're having too much trouble with a specific card, so you're not wasting time with a card you can't learn.

>>133928448
God those words are fucking horrible. I don't think it's a good idea to suspend any of those cards though, they all seem useful/commonly used
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>>133925445

Oh shit, just checked the GBATemp forums and sure enough you're right. Thanks for letting me know, anon, now I can play some Wii U games I wanted to but didn't have the money for.
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>>133928434
>trying to find that image of that Japanese guy being racist to post in reply to this
>stumble across this instead
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>>133928434
>あのねぇ
They weren't laughing because you're black, dude. They're laughing because you talk like a fucking little girl.
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>>133928579
Or because he, specifically, was a black man that talks like a little girl.

So congrats anon, you've become an anime character. Although maybe not the one you wanted to be.
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>>133928571
Why do they hate Chinese people so much anyway, they practically look the same.
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>>133928571
Like what massacre?
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>>133928713
That's nothing you fucking pleb, try harder.
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>>133928787
A history of back and forth war

>>133928792
You don't know about Nanking?

Google it.
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>>133928787
Have you seen China?
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>>133928817
im gay
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>>133928821

I think he was making a funny about Japanese Nanking denial.
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>>133928821
>You don't know about Nanking?
Good gweilo
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>>133928862
The chinks would want people to know about nanking. They never shut up about it.
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>>133928821
This isn't very moe
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>>133928896
Develop reading comprehension, retard.
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>>133928847
>>133928862
Oh. Yeah I can see that now.
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>>133928940
gweilo is a chinese insult
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>>133928434
are you a little anime girl
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>>133928979
please don't reply to this it makes me cringe
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What do Japs think of Obama?

ignoring that time he thanked their prime minister for anime
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>>133913203
lol most Japanese people can read about 5000 kanji and write about 3000. No-one tries to pass kanken because it's pointless, not because they couldn't if they wanted to.
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>>133913270
There is something seriously wrong with white people speaking Japanese.

It's just not "right"
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>>133929394
They don't give a fuck, just like the rest of the world
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>>133928787
It's like asking why French and German people hated each other. Also Chinese are subhuman.
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>>133929535
Let me guess, you get offended when people refer to the USA as "America".
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>>133929529
I think the same about yellowskins speaking English. Hearing some chink speak in fluent English creeps me out.
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>>133929562
Touched a nerve, friend?
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>>133913490
Well I speak like a "poofter" in my native language so eh.
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>>133929552
Nope, I refer to it as America too
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>>133929394
>spoiler
You can't be serious.
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>>133929552
Bush was a worldwide meme, he had a powerful (albeit terrible) image around the whole globe. Obama is just "the black president of the US" to most of the world. He has a much stronger image domestically.
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>>133929539
Which country is the Japan of Europe?
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>>133929892
England. That's not even a question.
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>>133929892
Finland
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>>133926515
>answering a question with a question
That says it all, really.
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>>133929753
it was just one thing in a list of things he thanked them for, but yes, it's true
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>>133929938
If you're really that retarded, educate yourself.
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>>133929892
What do you mean?
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>>133929980
>educate yourself
Hello tumblr.

You still haven't come up with anything despite the only restriction being no centuries old literature.
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>>133929892
Japan is the evangelion of anime
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>>133930026
I'm not him. It's an absurd statement so I'm not even going to waste my time, just wanted to make sure you don't really believe the shit you spout.
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>>133929892
Either France for attracting disillusioned westaboos or Germany for having a knack for slaughtering groups of people
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>>133913203
>Most japanese people spend their whole lives studying just the first 2,000 Kanji
Where the hell did you read that? Knowing 2000+ kanji is a requirement to finish high school. A normal Japanese will easily know more than 3000 kanji.
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>>133929892
Switzerland obviously.

>self-isolating
>high-tech
>weird ass language that nobody understands
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>>133929892
>island nation
>hated by the rest of the continent
>considerable cultural and legal differences from other countries in the same region
Bongland.
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>>133930100
I like England and hate kek countries like Germany.
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>>133929938
Modern literature and film was the answer you moron

Way more compelling literature and film that comes out of France and Germany than Japan.
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>>133930078
>>high-tech
http://edinburghnapiernews.com/2011/01/26/%E2%80%98japan-high-tech-image-low-tech-reality%E2%80%99/
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>>133930123
>>Way more compelling literature and film that comes out of France and Germany than Japan.
Name any.
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>>133930123
>Way more compelling literature and film that comes out of France and Germany than Japan.
Nowhere near enough to justify learning those languages.
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>>133930150
How about instead of acting for someone to spoonfeed you, make a googlesearch.
>>133930173
That's subjective you utter fucking retard. You're here learning japanese, most people would probably say those countries has more worthwhile content than Japan.
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>>133930133
>Back in 1996, Apple was keen to put their computers into Japanese schools but the answer from the Japanese Education Minister was a curt “No, Thank you.”

based nips
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>>133930207
>That's subjective you utter fucking retard.
Nah. France and so on don't have a constant stream of compelling content spanning a huge variety of mediums like Japan does. At best you might get a great movie or book every once in a while.

>most people would probably say those countries has more worthwhile content than Japan.
>this is what yuropoors actually believe
Curious that there are no language learning generals for European languages on here, if that's the case. I can't be bothered to check since reddit is cancer, but I would bet money on the Japanese subreddit being considerably more active than the equivalents for any European language excluding English.
>>
I can't whistle

I've read/watched every tutorial online

Whistling is harder than all the Kanji in the world
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>>133930311
>I can't be bothered to check since reddit is cancer, but I would bet money on the Japanese subreddit being considerably more active than the equivalents for any European language excluding English.
Japanese: ~50,000 readers
French: ~28,000
German: ~16,000
Italian: ~3.5k
Spanish: 18,000~
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>>133930311
Let's play this your way then

Please, do demonstrate this "constant stream of compelling Japanese content spanning a huge variety of mediums" that justifies spending 4/5x longer on the language than a European one.

>Curious that there are no language learning generals for European languages on here,

Because this site is an accurate representation. Absolutely. Go find statistics on most popular languages that people are learning,. Japanese is way, way WAY down there.

Saying French only has "one great movie or book once in a while" is not only absolute bullshit, but even if that were to be true, that's still one more "great movie or book" than Japanese will pump out within the same time frame.
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>>133930427
Is europe finished?
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>>133930452
>angry Frenchie is mad nobody cares about his irrelevant nation

Maybe if you had a few hundred million more people you'd be internationally competitive, it's not your fault
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>>133930452
>do demonstrate this "constant stream of compelling Japanese content spanning a huge variety of mediums"
Where do you think you are?
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>>133930399
It's just a matter of finding the sweet spot. Just fiddle around with the shape of your mouth and the strength you blow the air out until it makes some sound. Of course, don't fiddle randomly, make your mouth close to something like a comic "Give me a kiss shape" and blow like you were blowing on hot soup. From there try changing the parameters a bit until you get it.
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>>133930452
>Please, do demonstrate this "constant stream of compelling Japanese content spanning a huge variety of mediums" that justifies spending 4/5x longer on the language than a European one.
VNs (very few of which get TLs), manga (for which scanlations are sporadic and unreliable), anime, LNs, movies, books, porn, porn games, etc.

Are you really going to try to argue that a European country has anywhere near the diversity of media being released on a regular basis?

>Because this site is an accurate representation. Absolutely. Go find statistics on most popular languages that people are learning,. Japanese is way, way WAY down there.
See: >>133930427
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>>133926789
>61% correct
You didn't really learn much.
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>>133930462

Why would you learn those languages when you will only need to know kebab in 10 years time?
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>>133927386
>thinking a jap 101 class requires you to learn katakana
>>
Troll or buttblasted eurokek?
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>>133930571
Thanks for listing a bunch of cartoons/children's media and porn. Huge variety of mediums indeed.

>See: >>133930427
>reddit is an accurate representation of global language learning trends

You're a fucking moron if you think Japanese is relevant as a second language. The only people who learn it (well... I say learn it... most barely progress past the kana) are internet kiddies

Spanish, French, German and Italian are all more studied, and that's just the US

Go to Europe, and Japanese is even more irrelevant.
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>>133915047
I've been wanting to take the N3 but I only know around 560 kanji, so I would need at least 100 more to be safe, plus while my grammar and listening has improved noticeably and it's definitely above N4 I feel it's still not N3.

>tfw by Dec 2016 my Japanese will be way past N3 but still not N2
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>>133930624
Truth.
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>>133930835
>by Dec 2016 my Japanese will be way past N3 but still not N2
Only if you're a slowpoke. If you're N3 now you should be comfortably N2 in a year's time.
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>>133929974
What do you think Obama's favorite anime is?
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>>133930824
>Spanish, French, German and Italian are all more studied, and that's just the US
[citation needed]

Also, your stats better not include people who are forced to take a foreign language as a minor as part of their degree course.
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>>133931037
Knee on Genesis Evan Jelly On
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>>133931037
DBZ cos he's black
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>>133930824
Also
>Thanks for listing a bunch of cartoons/children's media and porn.
>implying all (or even most) anime, manga and VNs (especially VNs) are for children
Why are you even on this board?
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>>133930399
Can you make popping noises?
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>>133930824
Just adding onto this.

I think Australia is the only place where learning Japanese could be even somewhat relevant, but they already speak English, so naturally they don't give a damn about foreign languages and can't be bothered to learn any.

Not to mention, those Reddit numbers are inflated. That website's got a fuck ton of half retarded weeaboos, more than 4chan I'd bet, who want to learn Japanese so that they can "look cool" in front of there friends.

You might see a slightly similar effect going on with girls romanticizing French or some stupid shit like that, but needless to say, the amount of dedicated French learners you'd see there would well outnumber the dedicated Japanese learners.
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>>133931037
Evanjellyown
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>>133931093
>>133931094
If asked he'd probably say "Studio Ghibli".
>my kids just loved it
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>>133931118
>Just adding onto this.
More like passively-aggressively retorting to people you know are right without quoting them so that they don't respond to your retort.
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>>133917432
>>133917618
>>133917647
Can anyone explain?

I understand the different connotations in a normal sense, but not how they relate to a narrator.

Or am I reading too much into these posts?
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>>133931512
Basically when the narrator does it it sets the tone.
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>>133931512
>Or am I reading too much into these posts?
This.
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>>133931568
>>133931570
Okay, that's what I thought.

Thanks!
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>tfw watch an episode and only remember you were watching it without subs when the episode ends
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>>133932095
I can only fucking imagine.

When I'm watching with English subs and I catch/understand a bit of Japanese it feels like my mind transcends the universe and I can understand everything

Watching a full unsubbed episode must be transcendent
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>>133929625
What? No. I was just sharing my related thoughts...
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>>133932232
Not really, it feels pretty normal actually. The happiness and satisfaction takes place on a more grounded, call it rational if you will, level. Are you monolingual perchance?
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>昼休みに渡そうと思ってたんだけど、背中が見えたから
>I was thinking of giving this to you on lunch break because I saw you (saw your back).
Is this the correct way to read this. That だけど with a から is throwing me off.
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>>133932802
That because should be a but.
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>>133932802
>I was thinking of giving you this during lunch break, but since I saw your back...

There's a rest to that sentence which would come after から, which is omitted here because Japanese has a boner for ellipsis. Presumably it would state that she was unable to or something of the sort, the reason for this being that she saw his back.
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>>133932802
I was thinking of giving this to you(?) on lunch but, because I saw your back... (I decided not to)
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I'm starting to think that it's better to learn Japanese through massive amounts of listening, than massive amounts of reading; in listening you at least learn how the words are said, in reading it's cake to just ignore the readings and not really remember how the words are said well.
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>>133933035
this is why I just like read VNs
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>>133932862
>>133932931
>>133932990
Got it. Thanks.
>>
Why are so many LNs translated by idiots that use google/whatever-translator with no shits given.

Seriously fucking stop. learn Japanese you underage cunts, stop claiming you translated a series, you are fucking it over.

This is entirely my reason to learn Japanese, especially when official companies seem to hire fuckups to translate things officially.
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>>133933035
You should do massive amounts of both.
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>>133933127
>read VNs
>open up anime
>barely follow any even slightly complex topic
No thanks
>>133933140
Take it easy turbogeek
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>>133933035
But in listening you don't learn Kanji and are an illiterate fuck.
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>>133933140
Welcome to the world of translation. I think anyone who's not an ESL is used to recognizing shitty translations of English media in their daily lives.
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>>133933182
>>read VNs
>>open up anime
>>barely follow any even slightly complex topic
Oh really? Have any stats on that?
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>>133933222
*who's not an EOP
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>>133933256
I'm an EOP native speaker and I can recognize shitty translations very easily.

Because it reads like a frenchman or slav wrote it, see.
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>>133933035
>アニメを見るだけで日本語を話せるようになる
またそのクソミーム?
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>>133933239
Uhh... I opened up Hidamari sketch and couldn't follow whatever the TV was saying... is that the stat you're looking for?
>>133933205
It's easy to learn how to read kanji and recognize words from anime
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>>133932802
>>133932931
>>133932990

What?

What is the meaning of "saw your back"? Why would that stop you giving someone something? What context am I missing here?

The only interpretation I can imagine for that explanation is that the speaker was stunned by dat ass, but that doesn't seem right.
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>>133933222
I think that's why I'm able to watch anime and read manga. Japanese media is almost unbearable to read in my native language but I don't have that problem with English unless it's machine-translated.
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>>133933347
>What is the meaning of "saw your back"?
She saw him so she decided to just go ahead and give it to him
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>>133933320
>Uhh... I opened up Hidamari sketch and couldn't follow whatever the TV was saying... is that the stat you're looking for?
Read more. If your brain can't subconsciously figure out how to pick out words and parse them into information just from a day or two of exposure, then you simply aren't used to the language enough yet.
>It's easy to learn how to read kanji and recognize words from anime
Dis nigga serious?
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>>133933182
I'm just mad because I was going through an LN translation on a blog and the translator was so proud of not knowing Japanese:
> No Japanese skills required, I got this far without them (smily face)

No. Translating things literally and not getting that characters are speaking in a certain tone.
I'd be too ashamed to release shitty work, it is actually damaging because so fuck ups then go "the story is shit" when what was shit was the translation. There are some retard VNDB reviews from machine translation users for VNs.
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>>133933371
Yawn. Why even post if you have nothing of value to say?
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>>133933368
Ohhhhhh.

I read the translations being given as meaning "I was going to give this to you during lunch break, which was earlier, but I saw your back, so I didn't."

But I understand now.
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>>133933447
Yawn. Why even post if you have nothing of value to say?
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>>133933421
>>I'm just mad because I was going through an LN translation on a blog and the translator was so proud of not knowing Japanese:
>> No Japanese skills required, I got this far without them (smily face)
That only makes you appear even more turbogeeky.
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>>133933472
>あす
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>>133933472
good offices is an excessively "idiomatic" translation, just ignore it
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>>133930561
I've been trying for weeks, I just can't seem to figure it out
>>
>山師
>speculator, adventurer, imposter, prospector

what the fuck, why
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>>133933546
You really just need to make a normal kissing shape with your mouth... ask your girlfriend for a kiss, and then keep your mouth in the same position, and just blow (make sure to have wettish lips) while wiggling your lips until you hit a sweet spot.
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>>133933611
>I can't figure out how to whistle
>just figure it out man, its not that hard

thanks
>>
How does a Spanish-Japanese ハーフ say "see you tomorrow"?

Hasta 明日
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>>133933642
I didn't say it was easy and I gave instructions so your entire post is kind of weird
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>>133933589
There is a lot you can gain from use JP > JP dictionaries than just relying on JP > ENG definitions that are often lacking.

There are often ways to understand why something means different things and where they come from.
This website was pretty useful to me:
http://gogen-allguide.com for a lot of things.
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>>133933589
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/山師
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>>133933670
>pun requires 3 languages to understand
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>>133933472
あした is most normal, あす is more polite or refers to near future, みょうにち is most formal.
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>>133933811
Kyou?
No............... IMABI!
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>>133933472
>guy just posts '>'
>people give him advice on different things

Really goes to show how bullshit Japanese is
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語らうに友無く
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>>133933889
1 bit is about Japanese (あす vs あした)
1 bit is about Core2k/6k's definition of the word which is not relevant to Japanese itself per se
>>
>>133933889
>>
Reminder that Mahmoud from Pakistan who moves to America and tries to learn english also calls the language "bullshit". You're not Mahmoud, right?
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>>133934012
I imagine most people are not pakistani
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>>133934012
No one calls english bullshit
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>>133934059
Sure John
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>>133934012
No, I'm pretty sure I'm Borat

>This is cheese?
>And this, this is cheese too? No?
>>
>used to end my reps with around 33% correct
>finish today with 52% correct
Today was a good day.
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>>133934059
Yuropoors here are always slagging off English.
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>>133934116
Nope.
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>>133934100
>>finish today with 52% correct
>Today was a good day.
>>
「じゃあ、利害が一致したというか、需要と供給の関係ってことで」
wat
>>
English pronunciation and spelling is something unambiguously called bullshit by pretty much everyone. Like, through being pronounced thru? Who DOESN'T think that's bullshit?
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>>133934206
>Who DOESN'T think that's bullshit?
EOP detected. This is very common in indo european languages.
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>>133934206
People who learned it as first language or when they were young who come to the conclusion that the language is easy to learn.
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>>133934248
English native brah. Even in school people were pissed off at through/thru. I also remember people writing eight as "ait" or something in protest.
>>133934260
Sure, but that guy is trying to say that foreigners don't call it bullshit, as far as I can tell, which is pretty untrue, considering how much English spelling/pronunciation is lambasted worldwide
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>>133934330
>English native brah. Even in school people were pissed off at through/thru. I also remember people writing eight as "ait" or something in protest.
Wow, you english people really are retarded.
>>
Oh yeah - GHOTI == FISH is a huge meme and used as an example of English being bullshit all the time
>>133934357
Whine whine.
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>>133934187
Then you could say our interests coincide, a connection/relationship of supply and demand.

Something like that I think.
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>>133934380
>Oh yeah - GHOTI == FISH is a huge meme and used as an example of English being bullshit all the time
This happens in EVERY FUCKING LANGUAGE you idiot. The only exceptions would be Esperanto and other crafted languages because they don't have evolution of words to worry about. Even in Japanese this happens.
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>>133934442
So what? Doesn't change that it's used as fodder of English being bullshit. Not sure why you're being such a baby about this.
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>>133934442
No shit?
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>>133934330
>writing eight as "ait"
>not eit
>protest about a nonsensical spelling by replacing it with another nonsensical spelling
You poor murricans. Your spelling is so fucked up you don't even understand the proper phonetic value of the vowels.
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>>133934470
You are the one being a baby claiming a natural occurrence is bullshit just because you have to dump a neuron's worth of thinking into figuring out why letters (=not syllabary) don't always make the same sounds.
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>>133934206
>Like, through being pronounced thru
Because it was spelled before the pronunciation changed.

We keep the old spelling because people in old dialects still spell it like that.

Ever learned an indo-european language outside of europe? They do the same shit, except the spelling convolution goes all the way back to their ancestor languages. In return they can communicate in writing even if they don't understand eachother. It's just like chinese.

>>133934330
Oh, you're just retarded.
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>>133934555
>You are the one being a baby claiming a natural occurrence is bullshit
Nice reading comprehension
>>133934539
>>133934571
Those were anecdotes from first or second grade, you don't look so hot calling 6 year olds retarded.
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>>133934555
>You are the one being a baby claiming a natural occurrence is bullshit just because you have to dump a neuron's worth of thinking into figuring out why letters (=not syllabary) don't always make the same sounds.
Syllabery are the same. It's just that all the languages that people care about that use syllaberies (cherokee, japanese, etc) devised their current orthography at a time when pronunciation was still similar to today.
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>>133934603
Who said I was calling you retarded over that? Are you still in school?
>>
How did we go from one ESL retard claiming nobody ever calls English bullshit to this
>>
>>133934647
argumentative autist(s)
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>>133934442
Not every language has it happening on the degree it happens in English though. In most languages you see a word, you have a fairly good idea how to pronounce it. In English every other word has some arbitrary bullshit waiting to fuck you over. A classic example is comb-tomb-bomb.
>>
ITT EOPs trying to convince people their language is difficult to master and that they have merit for learning it
>>
>English=イギリス人
>English=英語
>English=イギリスの
どうして? 英語が全然分かりません。
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>>133934687
>A classic example is comb-tomb-bomb.
My dialect pronounces those all exactly the same though. Feels good to be pure!
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>>133934723
>pronouncing bomb as boom
nice
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>The orthography of a language with five hundred years of dialectual divergence doesn't match any given modern dialect exactly

WOW I AM ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED, HARDEST LANGUAGE EVER
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>>133934745
It's tomb that's pronounced like the rest dummas.
>>
>Please do not engage in lengthy and fruitless arguments, especially those unrelated to the thread subject. Be the bigger man, and be the first to discontinue the argument. Alternatively continue it in Japanese.
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>>133934745
It's more like the vowel sound from american's "put", but rounded a little. It's like the standard japanese "u".
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>>133934798
>Behave well - Jesus
Well, now everybody should stop behaving poorly. Thanks Jesus! Your quote saved us all a lot of trouble.
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>>133934839
Who?
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>>133934798
But how will they put off studying or doing anything productive if they can't shitpost about meaningless bullshit in /djt/ setting aside the fact that there are hundreds of other threads on 4chan they could be doing that in
>>
who the heck thought mapping ctrl to skip was a good idea
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfRSvTSY0d4
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>>133934860
Some ancestral sandnigger conman who invented Islam before Mohamed was even born but didn't manage to make it catch on by himself like Mohamed did.
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>>133934880
It's not like people are coming here specifically to procrastinate. Rather, a lot of people have this thread on auto update, and to be 100% honest, Japanese attracts so many autists, so many angry and unhappy people, that when you put them in the same place with auto-refresh, you get what is essentially a chatroom for angry autistic people. They can't help but get riled up in every argument. They've got no self control.
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>>133934933
>half of these are french loanwords

oh no
>>
>>133934939
ayy
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>>133935013
This shit really pisses me off. If you're going to get upset about english spelling, get upset about english words.
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>>133934933
This reminds me of what an anon said in an earlier thread, English is the bastard son of an European gangbang.
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>>133935084
Every word in English is a loanword, ばか.
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>>133935126
Not "father" or "king" desu
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>>133935125
fuck off
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>>133935125
>/a/ - Anime & Manga
>Daily Japanese Thread
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>>133935125
Is this Japanese? No?

Fuck off to /pol/.

Besides, we don't have to defend shit since Turkey started it.
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>>133935146
>father
I don't know the precise definition of loanword, but at least pick one word that's not almost identical to the Latin/Greek word it ultimately came from.
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>>133935209
>Latin/Greek word it ultimately came from.
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>>133935209
From Middle English fader, from Old English fæder, from Proto-Germanic *fadēr, from Proto-Indo-European *ph₂tḗr
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Well I'll be damned, I always assumed 'pater' was an ancestor of 'father', turns out they're just cousins.
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will makoto just fuck koharu already??
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>>133935125
Turkey is at fault here