What are some good examples of competent and strong female characters in anime and manga that aren't reduced to tsun or something dumb. Natsuo comes to mind.
destro 246 , strong also lesbian
No translations, huh?
Since this thread is already about fighting women:
>this will never get translated
The fights are really well done and it's pretty much porn. Looks amazing why won't anyone translate.
Gonna go with any character from nanoha, admittedly she starts off as a moe blob magical girl but as the series goes on she transforms into a capable adult who can fire off pink laser blasts that goku would struggle to compete with
You also have her girlfriend fate who at first glance looks like her rival and edgy counterpart but has some of the best charater developement in the series as she recovers from having an abusive mum, not to mention she weilds lightning swords the size of gutz's dragonslayer
Girls of the Wilds
its a filthy manhwa, but a good one at that
eh its currently in a slump but I foresee it picking up in the near future
also yes boxer is best girl
Shut Hell i guess?
oh and Song of the Long March
>somehow being far better at fighting than men.
It's not like this is impossible. I've gotten my ass kicked by a few fightan women.
Grenadier has one of the greatest female lead anime characters of all time.
And, as above me: Utena. Also literally anything by Studio Ghibli. (Can Gainax or Trigger count too?)
Old shoujo stuff is what you want OP. Things like Princess Knight, Rose of Versailles, Hoshi no Seine.
Also, what exactly do you mean by "strong"? Do you strictly want action anime? Because otherwise there's great drama like Nana, Candy Cady, Sandybell, stuff like that.
I honestly can't decide wether to recommend Honey & Clover or not.
There was a series I only vaguely remember and it was about a guy who had worms inside him which helped him regenerate.
There was a girl in that who was an absolute fucking badass, she was sick and if I recall she used a three-sectioned weapon.
She also wasn't the main girl who was just plain shit.
The entire Pretty Cure franchise.
Hell, most (at least classic) magical girl stories should make your day OP.
Also Slayers, Dirty Pair, Bubblegum Crisis, Burn Up, Kamikaze Kaito Jeanne (both mediums, this is important), Angel Sanctuary (bit of a stretch but if fits), and lest we forget: motherfucking GUNNM.
Would you like female sports manga, OP? Things like Attacker You, Yawara and stuff like that?
There's also more stuff about the entertainment industry, like Kaleido Star and Skip Beat. Oh, and Glass Mask.
>competent and strong female characters in anime and manga that aren't reduced to tsun or something dumb.
Agent Aika, and its spinoffs and related works, completely fits the bill.
Also anything by Bee Train.
>Grenadier has one of the greatest female lead anime characters of all time.
Also I don't care what anybody says, Utena has the best female cast I've ever seen in anime.
Her wife now kind of turns into a stereotypical moeblob when she's around her family, so I don't know if I would count her. She's still a badass when fighting or at work though.
you can't go wrong with aoty
yea, but WCW has a little bitch as a MC, so it balances out
Wasn't this explained as a huge chunk of his original self being sealed away or something? As the seal weakens, we're seeing his intelligence, physical ability, and assertiveness increase.
Every bully and most villains. If it's a children's show like Anpanman or Shimajiro there's going to be some, especially if a episode features a motherly type. Also everything described in >>133884628
I don't know why this thread kept getting replies because >>133879670 covered it in the third post. There's a huge amount of competent women in anime and manga, the only reason why someone would think there aren't is because they don't actually engage in the hobby or they're out of touch shitposters aka Hayao Miyazaki
Geez, I can't help but feel like people are really harsh towards Tamura's drawings.
I get that old shoujo art is weird to those not used to it, that she has some proportions issues and ocasionally botch up some details but I still think her art is charming despite its faults.
What an absolute riot. That man and woman are the same size roughly and it's trying to depict her as ripped and kicking ass.
The only way a woman could get that ripped is by using steroids.
Hoshi no Samidere has a pretty decent number of female characters that are well developed and have a variety of personalities.
They're all fairly strong in terms of personal power and emotional/mental fortitude also.
I'd also heartily recommend Planetes for similar reasons, though the heavy focus on romance and smaller focus on the female cast members (compared to HnS) could be offputting if you're going into it solely for more
feminist-friendly depictions of women.
>The only way a woman could get that ripped is by using steroids.
Anon that's just blatantly incorrect.
They'd have to work a fair bit harder than med do to attain/maintain a moderately ripped physique like that, but plenty of women in the real world manage a comparable level of muscles as that character has without steroids.
Even if a woman did work her way up to that level, she'd get demolished in a contest of strength with a similar sized man who didn't work as hard.
Ass kicking women are a myth perpetuated by femdom fuccbois who want their asses pegged.
Wow, you're right. It has tits.
There is little more degenerate than putting women who should be gentle and feminine in a ring, beefing them up with roids and getting them to rip each other's heads off.
>women's muscles, despite being the exact same from a physiological perspective, are somehow worse than men's because I say so
Do you realize how autistic you sound?
Also the chick on the ground isnt a dude you blind moron.
He's only half wrong.
Some women are pretty tough. At the same time in a realistic world that works the way we understand it, men simply put on more muscle pound for pound than women of the same stature.
All things being equal aside from that the man has a large advantage in this sense.
You really have to start bringing in "magic/chi/what the fuck ever" to get around this.
Which is why hypothetically, pretty much anyone in most Shonen series COULD be the biggest badass ever, although in practice the person who ends up like that is the adolescent or pre adolescent male audience stand-in. Although at times chicks make significant adversaries or show that on balance, it's only because "Woah he's super talented!".
Some of the most brutally powerful people in Hunter x Hunter, for instance, are not necessarily men, or the biggest men.
>anon started trying to be serious and lost it while writing his post
I want /pol/ to go back to their containment board
I've recently started Iria. I really like how they portray her
I feel we're forgetting someone...
you still there OP? MC start as a sheltered spoiled brat but there is ton of strong and competent woman (she still get there, but it takes some time)
Depends on the weapon used, some like that super long roman spear did require heavily conditioned men to utilize it properly due to the weight. However, heavy weapons and armor are rarely used due to the fatigue they cause on the wearer regardless of gender. Armor in general wasn't even that heavy in the first place, the weight was comparable to modern military gear.
I don't know why muscular strength is so heavily associated with fighting ability. Some strength is necessary of course but no soldier or SWAT member is going to be built like a power lifter.
So much of military and police conditioning is just building up endurance, same goes for combat sports like boxing.
>u jelly cuz im banging nanohas ass evvry day lol
They technically didn't become canon until after that, and technically it's not possible for them to be together every night to fuck thanks to Fate's job, but I get your point.
Also it's Nanoha who's banging Fate's ass, not the other way around.
>And modern military gear fractures womens' backs at an astounding rate, something like 60% of women in one military study reported back problems after 2 years of service
Which study? Other findings believe the problem has to do with all military gear is designed with a man's body in mind. Shoes specifically don't take account the differences in strides and they're rolling out some new ones to stomp out those stress fractures.
OP here. Sorry fell asleep and came back to see the thread had blown up. First of this wasn't a recommendation thread I was looking for examples of actual "competent and strong" women. It meant characters who had strengths in many aspects "mental, physical, and emotional" while also growing as decent characters throughout their respective stories.
I found a whole bunch and was reminded of a few that I have overlooked and some that I would like to get to know. Thanks /a/ you little girls are alright.
ITT: Any thread that genuinely wants to discuss anime&manga and isnt a best girl shitpost thread is a rec thread and doesnt belong here. Why is /a/ the third most autistic board on this site?
>The entire Pretty Cure franchise.
Did Peridot turn into shit later on or something because no ones said that so far.
Well excluding Natsuo, I'd say >>133882705
Those are my 3 most favorite characters as well and others that come to my mind that would fit your description would be Koko, Satsuki and Candy Store.
I would say that one of the reasons I really like Balsa, Motoko and Natsuo as well as think they are strong characters (in multiple aspects), is that they all have their own problems and weaknesses of their own that they face. Natsuo I believe to be the one who out of the three has it the hardest as she faces the most problems of the three, both external and internal conflicts. She's also the youngest of them which is another reason, and gets the most development as she experiences and has to deal with a lot more than the other two.
Well its a manga about executioners anon. As far as shounen ai goes, its extremely rare. Like two instances of it in the manga so far of 2 guys kissing.
It's better than Kokou no Hito so far, if you ask me. There's no homolust in it at all. As far as smut is concerned, it's all about purity and defilement, kind of like how Kokou no Hito was.
Different anon here.
I can't help but think that people who complain about lacking in good female characters are actually people who haven't read much manga. Because honestly, after reading manga for so many years, I find that there's actually a lot of competent female characters that really, you're better of finding a specific series you like and talk about it, rather going for a broad topic like this.
So yes, it is a stupid premise because this is just asking to generate one liner examples (and of course shitposting) rather than in-depth discussions.
Not true. That you have to bring in tsun make it sound like you only read action shounen.
There actually are a hell lot. Ghibli is just the prominent example but really, if you're willing to dig beyond the surface, you know, anime has surprisingly a hell lot of them that you're better off starting this thread in MAL's rec forum to ask people to list off examples.
>Japan has serious problems making interesting and strong female characters unless they're extremely dolled up or brainless cowtits first.
No Japan can make interesting and strong female characters or hell just interesting females. Its just that stuff does sell in Japan. Japanese likes to stick with what they know and that's the generic personalities(all the dere's) or plain girls. If someone even tried to make an interesting and/or strong female character you can guarantee it won't sell unless that character is a side character like what most anime/manga do.
>If someone even tried to make an interesting and/or strong female character you can guarantee it won't sell unless that character is a side character like what most anime/manga do.
Try reading manga that haven't been adapted into an anime. Manga's a much larger industry, so there's a ton of it out there, including shoujo which is specifically marketed at girls and tends to have plenty of strong female characters.
Ctrl-f no results
Shiki a best
>search out raws for Takatou Rui fightan manga
>find out it's half a Takatou Rui lewd manga
Bonus. His art's changed since Cynthia the Mission, but I still recognized his style in that image.
I believe OP actually just wanted to see if these types of characters were rare or not, basically. OP most likely likes them and I think maybe his/her thought process went something like:
>I really like the character of Natsuo, but I can't really think of many other females like her (in this case, how OP thinks that she's strong and competent)
>it would be a shame if there aren't many of these, since I think these types of characters are good (/that OP likes them) and there should be more of them
>I'll make a thread to reassure me/find out (since OP seems to not have been able to think of many at the time, but later was able to remember because of this thread) that these types of characters aren't as underrepresented as I hope they aren't/think they might be
That's just what I thought up of though from reading the OP and this >>133894235 (which I then assume was from OP)
I guess you could say a lot of Black Lagoon females are competent and strong (esp. Balalaika)
I think only Revy got reduced to being a tsun, but not completely and she's still competent and strong.
it is also kind of clear from this post >>133894235 that OP (assuming it is OP) wasn't really looking for discussion ("fell asleep", "found characters"), which is why I first thought of the same thing you did. But after reading once more I came to this conclusion >>133900282
since OP didn't intend for it to be a rec thread (if to believe what OP wrote)
>First of this wasn't a recommendation thread
>found a whole bunch and was reminded of a few that I have overlooked
and also explains what he/she wanted from this thread which was
>examples of actual "competent and strong" women. It meant characters who had strengths in many aspects "mental, physical, and emotional" while also growing as decent characters throughout their respective stories.
yes I think so to but I thought that in this case it was actually something more like:
>I like thing
>realise I can't remember much more like this
>I'll make a thread to help me remember and find more of the same to reassure me that the thing I like isn't rare, as that would be a shame since I think something like this shouldn't be as rare as I think it might possibly be/it's good so I think there should be more of it than I fear there might be or that it'd be a shame if it was underrepresented
so I don't think OP necessarily made a rec thread, but maybe a little bit of that intent was mixed in though, At least the main point I think was what he/she himself/herself stated (assuming it is OP):
>I was looking for examples of actual "competent and strong" women. It meant characters who had strengths in many aspects "mental, physical, and emotional" while also growing as decent characters throughout their respective stories.
I just googled the japanese name and picked an early result. Was easy mode.
The only difference is that women have to work harder to attain the same musculature as a man because of less testerone being in their bodies. But muscles are still muscles. Fast twitch only helps you put on more muscle but wears out quickly. It doesnt automatically give more strength.
Youre full of shit senpai.
yes I never tried to argue against that as I think the same, here >>133900874 I said:
>it is also kind of clear from this post >>133894235 that OP (assuming it is OP) wasn't really looking for discussion
And when you aren't looking for discussion it just makes it all pretty pointless and it ends up looking like a rec thread (in this case at least) or something like 3x3 threads which does not encourage or aims to create discussion
The only thing I was arguing against was the belief that this is a rec thread and only that and that that was the only intent of this thread, even if it doesn't encourage any discussion from the OP.
yeah I know the topic of discussion was really pointless, but I was just trying to have actual discussion and arguments with people since I like it at times.
I don't blame you if you "Okay" me again
What did my Teppu bros think of MMA 193?
yeah but you know most of the times here on /a/ that kind of reply usually swings the way you just mentioned, so I kind of assumed it was most likely that way (though in this context it was kind of hard to interpret it I guess)
>person getting exposed so hard they are going to quit fighting and do movies
Its good for her she broke into a secondary career that will become her primary one, but its hilarious how tough she has acted and now will almost certainly quit.
I don't know pretty much anything about the world of MMA, but is Karen's opponent supposed to pay homage to someone in the MMA scene? I think I saw someone who looked very much alike her and I think I read that she is a very important figure in MMA.
I'm not able to open the webm at the moment, so I don't know whether she might be in it though it might be.
I know you're a fatasses, but stand-up out of your chairs right now and do exactly what she did. Step left, right cross, right knees. You'll see why this shit is impossible and makes no fucking sense.
Dropped before I even picked it up
I've read all of it and I think it's good. On the surface it's a story about the villain of a shounen seeking to defeat a character one would usually see as the MC of a shounen. So basically a shounen told from the villains perspective. Though, as I said before, that's only the surface of it and how it's usually sold, there's more to it than just that. Some things are left vague and therefore hard to understand, but I think there exists enough information presented for one to be able to figure those things out.
Kuroko is the perfect example of a good female protagonist in seinen.
The main appeal in it isn't the fighting. It's the lewd.
Looks more like a feint with an awful lot of follow through. Her fist in the second panel is angled down because she's preparing to grab.
Not that she needs to grab from behind when kneeing someone who's tackling. Unless it's a really awkward knee because the whole position is awkward. I don't know man, I'm not some bullshit strong manga girl.
One thing I enjoyed a lot, was her love for her father, hell I really appreciated the positive role men played in her life, and it wasn't at the cost of her femininity. Also to answer op "Lady Snowblood," "Sasori," and "Sukeban Arashi."
She's bored and lonely at the top.
OP here sorry about the recommendation thread next time I'll make it a waifu thread, then people will actually enjoy it instead of being a shitter.
>OP here sorry about the recommendation thread next time I'll make it a waifu thread, then people will actually enjoy it instead of being a shitter.
And OP still haven't learn a damn thing.
What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever practiced any martial arts before? The only impossible thing in that page is that she managed to land her knee on the dude before he got the tackle in. How in the world can you not lift your right knee after a left step?
Either I'm misunderstanding you heavily or you need to work on your flexibility, mate.
I think you meant to say hasn't.
All I wanted to do was generate some discussion about interesting, strong, and competent female characters in the genre. A few anons mistook it for a recommendation thread and got pissy. Why the hell is /a/ so pissy about this but not the other 40 garbage waifu threads on the front page.
Maybe you're right, but last threads that I tried starting with discussion died within an hour with 2 replies. So I tried something different and got attention in the form of anger. I feel like the only way to get /a/'s attention is either piss them off or appeal to the stupid waifu and pandering the media has evolved into.
Next time anons I'll try something different.
Because rec threads can be removed, you can't do shit to the waifu threads at this point. Plus waifu threads can lead to some actual discussion of the show every now and then.
>Next time anons I'll try something different.
You are approaching this issue the wrong way.
Look, I'm the guy who recommended a whole bunch of diverse manga and anime with outstanding female leads in seperate posts early in the thread. Later on, other people posted stuff even I couldn't think of off the top of my head. And look how much discussion was fostered even after that.
Ask yourself: so WHAT if a couple of retards make shitposts about hurr durr we dunn rike no rec threads you pleb?
This is a free, open, anonymous community. If some dipshits don't like the particular way in which you want to start a discussion, you should tell them to go fuck themselves!
They are doing nothing but shitting up the thread, and neither you, nor anyone else on this board owes them a god damned thing.
>look at how much discussion was fostered even after that
There's a discussion about muscles ans how men are stronger than women, some random shit about Teppu and the metaposting we're doing now. Everything else is someone posting a character and one or two people agreeing, like every rec thread.
I was going to reply until>>133909055 posted something. Thanks anon, I like you. I think I'll just continue the thread now. I think Saki from the new world is an excellent candidate even if she cries a whole bunch. She's pretty resilient to almost any horrors she has witnessed. Is Utena a good show to attempt to get into she seems pretty based.
Depends on the women, some women have naturally more testosterone and can be pretty strong. But yes I agree on average women are weaker then men aside from a few outliners.
...and your problem is? Who cares where the discussion momentarily veers off to, the longer the thread stays alive and the longer OP's thread has a chance of being found by someone who posts anime and manga with outstanding female characters that have not yet been posted in this thread, the better it is for OP.
Let the useful idiots do their job of being useful idiots.
Which Saki are you talking about?
And you are just going to have to experience Utena yourself. You will either recoil like fuck or never experience anything better in your life.
My point was the muscle discussion isn't even board related, all the discussion other than the few posts about Teppu is off topic bullshit and that anon is just another contrarian who shits on board culture without understanding its purpose.
Birdy Cephon Altera from Birdy The Mighty in most incarnations. She's an elite alien cop with an impulsive streak, but still street smart and capable. She's also something of a (non-sexual) older sister to the male MC.
Saki Watanabe. The main character who narrates her whole life in the show. I'll put it on planned to watch.
I saw the original and loved it. But not really a fan of the decodes couldn't get passed episode 5.
>and your problem is?
There's barely any discussion that's actually about anime and manga. The only value it has is as a rec thread, and those aren't even technically allowed on here, you get warned for them when they're obvious.
Fuck off with your board culture horseshit. So what, Bartender threads should not be alllowed to discuss alcoholic drinks? Captain Tsubasa threads should not be allowed to discuss the world dup?
Who the fuck are you, you goddamn asshat, to decide what people may or may not discuss on a website you don't own?
Decode s1 is a bit of a slow burn, but it really picks up as it goes, and most people seem to like season 2 much better.
Birdy comes from the mid-80's/early-90's Dirty pair/Shirow school of thought where genki protagonists should cause massive destruction with a smile on their face.
>all the discussion other than the few posts about Teppu is off topic bullshit
>the posts listing and talking about stuff with great female leads
>off topic bullshit
8 chan is >>>>>> that way.
If the alcohol or world cup shit takes up the entire thread and the anime OP just becomes an excuse to post off topic shit then yeah. By the way, the rec thread rule is enforced by the mods newfag.
This anime anon.
I'll give it another try.
I'm totally okay with that.
Real-life stuff that directly relates to the subject matter of a work is not "off topic shit" you fucking mongoloid.
Oh, and instead up sucking up to the mods' asses, you should be asking for some new mod-
Wait, you're a little bitch, other, more thoughtful people will just have to do it in your stead.
So when I say something doesn't belong I have no right because I don't own the site, when you say something does despite the people who run the site disagreeing, you're right because mods are fags. Great logic. Fuck it, it's too late for me to care anymore, go fill up your backlog.
The difference between us is that you would stifle discussion, while I would let it flourish.
I'll just let you figure out which attitudes belongs in a civilized society for yourself.
Say what you want about Terra Formars' story, but Sasuga can write some really good characters.
Not overwhelmingly so given how insane her universe is, but can deliver when the chips are down.
Driven, independent, will approach a task in her own unique manner
>reduced to tsun or something dumb
Does being a perpetually horny lesbian count?
The difference between us is our definition of discussion, but whatever, being confrontational will get me nowhere and I'm too tired to try and actually convince you of anything.
I hate to agree with this because I don't particularly like ryuko as a character but I have to admire that aside from the fact that the show was probably a thinly veiled metaphor for female puberty and sexual objectification, I respect that she basically seems like a male shounen protagonist with a vagina dealing with female issues. She isn't shoved into a stereotypical female anime role/personality
>a thinly veiled metaphor for female puberty and sexual objectification
I absolutely LOVE how in Kill La Kill women literally become more powerful the less ashamed and more proud they become of their body.
And they're shown naked nowhere near as often as the MC. At least they weren't when I last read it.
Male shounen protag with a vagina kind of is a stereotypical female anime role at this point.
>powers fueled by regular sacrifice of blood
>upon this sacrifice they get to wear skimpy outfits which reveal their bodies and give them power over their opponents.
Come the fuck on, man. Even I saw that
Too many strong female characters fall into the hit something as hard as you can territory, Akane strength comes from her ideals, and the philosophy that guides her worldview. Her ability to physically kick ass comes up on twice, and it doesn't lead to that silly smirk you see in some works, it existed express character, while her counterparts were fighting physically, she was fighting with her words.
>What are some good examples of competent and strong female characters in anime and manga that aren't reduced to tsun or something dumb. Natsuo comes to mind.
MAKE WAY FOR THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME "competent and strong female characters in anime and manga that aren't reduced to tsun or something dumb"
because she's not human but is mentally unstable and fragile as shit.
didn't do shit but get wrecked and played by satsuki and everyone else in KLK (including Mako)
Amuro what are you doing? Stop think of what Sayla would say!
The main heroines from:
Saishu heiki Kanojo
Shakugan no Shana
Ghost Sweeper Mikami
Garasu no Kantai
Bubble gum crisis
Kanoji Kareshi no jijou
OOkami to koushinryou
Iria the Animation
Devil man Lady
.... There are too many to list up.
>When Lalah gets brought up and I've had a few too many.
Mai is competent and fairly strong and she's not tsun. She's very kind instead.