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Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
>fire up some yotsubato
>start reading right to left like slant-eyed God intended
>realize it's 4koma bullshit
Why must this garbage hunt me so?
When work is a pleasure, life is a joy. When work is a duty, life is slavery.
No. Stuff like that and the other posts at the beginning of the threads really don't belong in the OP; the only things that belong in the OP are the main image, the site link, and the previous thread link. Besides, people can't filter them if they're in the OP.
If you didn't see it last thread
Anti-American propaganda made by Islamic Communists and Imperialists
CO2 emissions. Try harder next time.
He might have heard that statistic with regard to cumulative emissions or first-world emissions, too.
The US is a pretty fucking big deal in terms of emissions, basically.
Is there a deck that has the stroke order of all of the kanji in .gif form similar to what is found on jisho? I looked but couldn't find one. I also can't seem to download the gifs from jisho, so I couldn't make one myself, though I want to.
>implying china isn't the most polluted shit right now
The other half of the story is that the US and Europe have large green areas and deforestation control that counters most of their CO2 emissions.
Rikaisama Anki import is broken for me. Nothing is popping up on Anki when I press the import button and I only hear the audio play when I press the import button. Everything is updated, restarted both Anki and Firefox, and still won't work. Anyone having the same issue?
It was working a few days ago, but I tried that just in case. Didn't do anything to fix the problem. Normally there's at least a yellow popup on Anki to indicate something, but there's nothing on Anki's end. Tried reinstalling the addon and that didn't do anything either.
Don't stop. Yuuna has a special place in our hearts.
>girl 1 jokingly asks girl 2 for a kiss to help girl 1 wake up
>girl 2 says: だいたい、ちゅーってなによちゅーって！
What is "なによ"?
I swear to god I google so many questions so many times and can rarely find any answers without just directly asking /djt/, even for questions that I find have a non-technical answer or is just basic grammar, or phrase, or word. Googling phrases listed in the guide doesn't help, nor does trying 20 different english expressions. I also rarely find any answers in the DOJG or other grammar websites. Am I doing something wrong with how I'm searching for answers? I hate relying on and bugging /djt/ with shitty questions but I can't seem to fucking find any answers by myself
Are you that same autist that acts obnoxious as fuck at the slightest indication of anyone using anything other than Linux with your favorite meme browser? Fuck off.
Not working for me either.
So you're saying that your browser has an extension that has every feature Rikaisama has and has a one button Anki import function (including audio and other information) that is currently working?
IT'S JUST FUCKING 何? Literally fucking kill me.
>finished watching 800 episodes of Conan
Maybe I'll read a VN now or something
That's nothing compared to the whole time I've spent on anime
I don't really notice myself learning Japanese anymore if it doesn't involve kanji. I probably got a more solid grasp on some of the vocab used in this type of anime and that's about it
Weird. I don't really get why mine isn't working then. Maybe it's on Anki's side since there isn't even an Anki popup (usually there's at least that when something is broken on Firefox/Rikai's end), but I'm not really sure how to fix it.
Chinese is basically Japanese, so this is relevant.
Because their capita is very low. I'm gonna pull some numbers out of my ass to demonstrate.
Say the US has 1 million citizens, and the UAE has 10.
US has a per capita emission of 0.5, so their overall emission is 500,000.
The UAE has a per capita emission of 100, so their total emission is 10,000.
So even though each UAE citizen is causing 200 times emission than each US citizen, their overall is emission is 50 times lower.
>Correct percent going down each day
Atleast its still over 50% right?
>LINE-bro is so disgusting grass grew
What did he mean by this?
Generally, what would are good stats/percentages I should aim for on Anki? Should I add more cards to review in a day when I am bored?
The most important stat is consistency. Do it every day. If you are bored you should learn grammar or read, adding too many cards will bite you in the ass with all the extra reviews.
The only addons I have are
- Japanese support (for furigana etc)
- Kanji grid
- Rikaisan import
- Failed mature cards / Maturing Cards (for extra stats)
>what do your statistics look like
totally irrelevant, everyone will have to find their own pace
also, don't rely on a method that gives you pretty stats
just use anki in a way that feels like your progressing and never look at your stats
I changed my mind about her so I'm going to wait for her now after she sent me those diary entries. Waiting for a year shouldn't be too bad. She really is best girl after all
Diary entries after she arrived in the UK for studying abroad if anyone's interested:
Part 3: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0DCxHnAQTDF
Part 4: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0jJHRaomgyQ
Part 5: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1qe22AHRABg
Part 6: http://vocaroo.com/i/s08QKhqJiaSB
Part 7: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0MPAgQULXc3
Part 8: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1POdkPlD5uF
Part 9: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1A6wyEpoko8
It's more like the opposite if you listened to Part 1. Originally we were supposed to meet up and just have some fun and then just be long-time penpals after that. She said she could handle it even if she fell in love but nah, she fell in love completely. I was okay with just staying friends just as we first agreed on so I said maybe we should continue talking, but as friends, but she ended up going crazy just by me suggesting it. I guess it's a common reaction for people that've never been with someone that treats you well. They end up thinking "he's the only one" or "she's the only one" as a result. Not a very good mindset to have.
I dont think ill reach that point, cant seem to catch more than 50% of whats being said when someone is speaking.
I cant really seem to effectively do listening practice or atleast it doesnt feel like I am since im missing everything
My reviews actually went well today
>Watching anime and I can actually recognize and understand some words here and there
Baby steps but fuck this is really motivating and fun
Most of us were at that level before we even started studying the language.
You need more training.
Have you been studying for a decent time?
I doubt my ability to learn every day, but then I simply look back to where I was when I started. If I did progress thus far while holding such doubts, the same will probably happen from here on so it's alright to keep going.
It doesn't actually help because I listen to it while driving, and for some reason that means my brain just erases it from memory as soon as it ends.
I'm hoping that my subconscious mind is storing bits and scraps that'll resurface when I encounter them elsewhere.
Gotta start somewhere.
Likewise, it's just motivating to be able to look at sentences and actually be able to figure out what is written when mere months ago my brain would just automatically assume it was completely incomprehensible and skip past it.
Learning is fun.
Anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all.
If you want to disprove the claim "there is no scientific evidence of major differences in learning between individuals", saying
Doesn't mean anything.
Be honest about it: there is nothing you will accept as evidence in order to protect your worldview. The fact that people learn differently is fully understood and taken advantage of at every elite educational institute and workplace. The masses are all forces to cram the same things inside their heads the same way while the people who actually run the world are given unique and specialised training for their skills from day one.
Maybe if you're learning how to drive but after a while your brain switches to autopilot for most driving.
What evidence do you expect me to provide that proves there's no evidence? Are you an idiot?
>The fact that people learn differently is fully understood and taken advantage of at every elite educational institute and workplace.
That doesn't make it true.
>The masses are all forces to cram the same things inside their heads the same way while the people who actually run the world are given unique and specialised training for their skills from day one.
Just because our educational methods are retarded doesn't mean people all learn differently. It means they aren't learning at all, because the methods are shit.
Essentially 人がいない means "there exists no person/people" while 人がない means "(the thing of) people doesn't exist"
子供がある (I have kids. Ie (The thing of (having)) kids exists)
子供がいる (Some/a) kid(s) exist
日本語を話す人がいる Would mean 'People Speaking Japanese exist (in this thread)'
日本語を話す人がある Would mean '(The thing of) People Speaking Japanese exists in this thread' -> "(This thread) has (People Speaking Japanese).
What does 本体 mean here?
>List price: 本体 400 yen + tax
Isn't that pretty obsolete though? It's obvious that the price is for the book considering the price is literally printed on the book.
Also, how does 本体 come to mean "this book"?
>start typing a question asking the difference between two words
>realize I don't know the difference between them in English either
Some vowels get smooshed during normal pronunciation.
If I didn't recognize that as a very early core2k card I'd call you an idiot for not knowing that already.
Suki tends to become ski, shite tends to become shte, etc.
I can't figure out what the last bit it meant to mean here.
>Conquest of humanity!!
>しようじゃなイカ!!! (not way squid?)
Any ideas on what word しよう is meant to be? There are shitloads of homophones for it in Rikiasama but none of them seem to fit. This is why I like kanji even if it's kanji I don't know. It leaves no ambiguity as to which word is in use.
Started anki after like 8 months of reading, along with dropping AGTH. Added stuff fairly sparingly, focusing on things that I knew I had looked up multiple times before but was still not remembering. Then as I got better and wasn't encountering new words as often I started adding pretty much anything with a new kanji or a weird reading that I didn't already know.
For me, it's way too much. Anything over 150 is horrible for me. I'd do zero if I thought I'd be confident enough to learn without it.
Some people like Anki though, so it's up to you.
I had watched anime intensively for a couple years before I started reading. Was able to watch the easiest of anime raw at about the time I started reading.
That said, I'm not sure my method was optimal. The DJT prescription of starting out with Anki is probably not a bad one.
The bigger problem is when/if you stop using it or limit your use of it.
It's hard to say how word learning is best done. It's a complicated process. There's research that points to the fact that many important words and expressions are too rarely used to be learned efficiently from repeated exposure by reading.
Read a shitload and was very disciplined in my reading. Had an iron rule the first couple of years of learning: "at least one hour reading a day". Also did RTK which enabled me to jump straight into the meat of it all.
This is like the 3rd time in the first 40 cards that furigana was badly aligned in j:tmw. Is it something common or it's just something wrong in my case?
Do you have any advice for an anon needing to reach that level in 2 1/2 years?
I am having a scholarship test may 2016, and if I pass I travel to Japan in june 2017, and over there I do 1 year of japanese in a sort of "cram school" and then start 4 years of college (This is the MEXT scholarship).
Right now I just do core 2k/6k (don't know if I should swap to core10k or something)
Planning to go through JGTMW and DOJG after that, I don't really know when I'll be able to start reading and pickup vocab. I can talk with natives through hellotalk and only use the dictionary when I encounter a kanji I do not know.
Would really appreciate some help and advice.
(I know it's the second time I post this anons, but I really need some help.)
ONE HOUR OF VOCAB
ONE HOUR OF READING
ONE HOUR OF LISTENING
AND HAND WRITE 100 FULL SENTENCES
Only at first. You'll get faster.
Then you can't learn Japanese.
10k hat a lot of the JLPT N1 words, so that's definitely going to help. Never used JGTMW, but I bought all 3 volumes of DOJG and 日本語文型辞典, all of which are useful to look stuff up.
I never read them from end to end or did any other form of organized study with them though.
For the JLPT, I used the Shin Kanzen Master books.
I bought all the N2 ones then realized that I already knew all the vocab from the core decks and that listening is so easy since I've been listening to seiyuu-radio-shows for ages, so I only got the reading and grammar ones for N1.
If your goal is the JLPT specifically, getting some of those mock tests won't hurt either.
>Let's draw what!!
I really wonder how you ended up with that translation.
There's not even a volitional form there. It's just a rhetorical question serving as a statement which resulted from an observation.
1. Read Tae Kim while you do the Core deck. It shouldn't take you more than a month.
2. Once you've got a vocubulary base of about 2k words, it's time to start reading. Go with easy manga with furigana like Yotsubato or Ika Musume. Finish Core6k.
3. Start a mining deck. Add any unknown word you find to a text file and import them with Epwing2Anki, or just add it with Rikaisama's Realtime Import feature.
3. Once you get a feel for basic Japanese grammar, start reading moege with text hookers (Chiitrans Lite recommended). The typical recommendation around here is Hanahira then Flyable Heart.
If you want to go through the DOJG, there are two approaches and you can (and should) do both. These approaches are:
1. Download the grammar reference in the OP that has the example sentences, formation tables and volume/page reference so you can read the notes. You can look up any unknown grammar point easily with it.
2. Download the DOJG Anki deck:
Go through it slowly and read the notes carefully. It'll make your reading skills skyrocket.
This is only for reading but what you need at the start is a great amount of comprehensive input before you even think of producing or else you'll just make wrong sentences.
Now for other skills, you can:
Listening: Use JLPT study material for a systematic approach. There's also JapanesePod101 (most audio files are in the CoR). Once you can listen well enough, you switch to news, TV shows or anime.
Writing: Use lang8 or Hellotalk. Preferably lang8 because they actually bother correcting you.
Speaking: Search for a Skype language partner in the lang8 forums.
I don't think "Let's draw anything" makes sense for the context either.
>I really wonder how you ended up with that translation.
>There's not even a volitional form there.
Rikiasama lists "let's do (something)" as a definition for じゃないか.
>It's just a rhetorical question serving as a statement which resulted from an observation.
That doesn't seem to make sense for the context either.
Is that normal to assimilate the concept almost on the spot, but having to go through the prononciation 4-10 times before it starts to enter ?
Fucking nipponese, worse than english at arcane prononciation.
Ah, that sounds like it could be it.
In case it helps clarify at all, here's the rest of the image.
>Rikiasama lists "let's do (something)" as a definition for じゃないか.
It also lists "Isn't it" at a definiton, which makes a whole lot more sense in that context.
Anyway, this is already a whole lot easier with context. Take a look at that image.
You can see that there's an illustration of a character there, this illustration is a 描き下ろし, a commissioned drawing or a drawing which has been made for a specific purpose. It's a poster, with a drawing on it. It doesn't become very much more specific-purpose oriented than that.
じゃないか (isn't it) is a rhetorical question. This rhetorical question is a result of the speaker seeing the drawing and noting that it is a 描き下ろし. It's just a statement formulated as a rhetorical question, Japanese does this a lot.
Well it's apparently not difficult, but it's really fucking weird to see a moonrune and know what it represents when you were raised with the latin alphabet.
Like, what the fuck.
So is なんと part of the rhetorical question there, or is it working like >>133890052 said (i.e. creating emphasis; "what a drawing, right?" as opposed to "drawing, right?")?
Is this from Japanese: The Manga Way?
A paper I wrote.
>Is this from Japanese: The Manga Way?
No, see above.
>i.e. creating emphasis
Yes, pretty much this. なんと is one of those things which is rather difficult to be put into English, I recommend reading some example sentences and just reading more in general. You'll get used to this kind of stuff soon enough.
I'm in Gymnasium actually.
Though i intend to go study linguistics. Any reason not to that I should be aware of?
Always a pleasure.
None. There isn't very much on issues in translating from Japanese to English, even less so on the grammatical and lexical levels thereof.
Better buckle yourself in because it's just getting started
This, or doing research at uni. Linguistics a shit
>なんと is one of those things which is rather difficult to be put into English
I personally think it should just be treated as interjection, cause that's pretty much exactly what it is. Well, in this context at least. In some contexts it actually has a syntactic function.
>doing research at uni
This is pretty much what I already have in mind.
Is there any other reason why this is a bad idea?
I'm eligible for a prize since my work got the highest grade achievable. While plagiarism checks have been completed long before the mark was set, I'd rather not jeopardize anything by publishing my work online.
Though if you send me an email I'll ask my advisor whether it's fine to share it with individual people.
My email address can be found at the bottom of the guide.
I'm not anon.
Aside from which, they don't just google a few sentences to check up on this stuff. They have a whole database with which they cross-check these papers for plagiarism.
Feel free to find something which discusses the loss of information from Japanese to English on a lexical and grammatical level. I didn't find anything when I looked.
>slept like 2 hours last night
>missed past 10 minutes because I'm dozing off
I won't even bother trying to read a VN. I think I'll just have to play games to stay awake
Works pretty well for me. Maybe the people who recommended it to you had it working pretty well for them too and thought you would also benefit from it. I don't think it's very nice to tell them to go fuck themselves like that just because something went wrong for you. They were trying to help you without asking for anything in return. Why are you such a horrible person?
He has an intense Germanic barbarian spirit of a true warrior
Who gives a shit you'll learn the common words quickly through reading anyway. The only reason to grind vocab in anki is to get used to the kanji and to guessing word readings.
I don't want to import words and end up with duplicates in the deck. I plan to import stuff after I am done with the deck.
I can guess those from context but often forget them so I'd rather get used to how they look via Anki than over several months of encountering them occasionally.
>The only reason to grind vocab in anki is to learn to read
Thanks for the info anonymous
>so I'd rather get used to how they look via Anki than over several months of encountering them occasionally.
You'll see them like 10 times a day if you're reading or watching anime at a reasonable pace. It's not "occasionally", it's so fucking frequent that spaced repetition flash cards mean absolutely nothing.
What's this? I'm shit at finding Kanji
Stop reading kids stuff.
And seeing it kana or hearing it is almost as good (hearing it is just as good). If you have the word internalized it's really easy to associate it to the kanji. And really you here 頑張る multiple times in pretty much any basic sol anime episode.
>I tried with jisho, google translate and some others.
Well, you didn't try very hard, did you?
You didn't have to. I really don't believe you tried. This shit works no matter how horrible and ignorant you are regarding kanji.
I don't know how it works with automatic import via rikai but when I import manually its set to update when the first field matches. There are some cases where duplicates may still exists such as 撓わ and 撓 or when there's a possibility it might update wrongly such as 本 but for the most part those are easy enough to manage.
>top half of the character is just the same element repeated 3x
>half of the bottom half is just the same element repeated 2x
Could be worse.
This probably isn't even a real character anyway.
This was the highest "real" stroke count, that isn't just repeated characters like that one
You need to learn all of them, and you'll be using japanese a lot longer than the time it takes you to go through the core deck. The order doesn't matter all that much in the long run.
>Not posting that ramen or gundam kanji
I wouldn't either
What's the most complicated Kanji actually encoded in unicode like >>133892842
but not just multiple copy-pastes of one or two elements?
Aside meme kanjis. Should just work on joyo or toyo.
It's quite funny when some words in Japanese include these not joyo nor toyo kanji so Japanese just write in Hiragana in the most case.
I can't quite tell what that third kanji is supposed to be. I think the first two are 幻想 but that third one is stumping me.
Resources for people to help themselves like google translate handwriting detection, the anki manual, and shit for getting yourself out of review spikes should be in the OP itself instead of hidden away in the guide.
The kind of person that would ask for help is the kind of person that wouldn't look through the guide first.
Your review count should theoretically increase indefinitely, only getting slower and slower as more time passes, but never hitting a limit.
You shouldn't get above around 300-350 reviews daily in a 6000 card deck with 20 cards per day, though.
It gets less painful as you go along. The only rule to me is to keep anki time under an hour. I don't believe the few extra cards are worth the substantially greater mental/emotional toll of going past what you can actually handle. You just improve what you can do a little bit each session. I say that as an amphetaNEET.
I hope you're reading/watching/etc already Anon.
Don't ever start again. Most of those you probably still know and the rest you can just get wrong and start learning again. Just suspend most and do what you can handle everyday in addition to the new reviews.
I watch raw
idol variety showsall the time. It's basically the only way I'm able to stay motivated, even though my comprehension is still really limited.
That's kind of why I have the hour rule. If I get burnt out from doing the part of learning that I really don't like (studying) I'm not going to do very much of the stuff that I usually like (cute girls doing cute nonsexual things)
No, it should hit a steady state, and if you stop adding new cards it'll decay to zero.
This is because every time you get a card, it goes away for twice the time it did last time.
The sum of 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 .... converges to 2, so adding a card that you'll never get wrong adds a finite load that you'll eventually spend.
The obvious proof of this is that eventually you'll get the card to, say, fifty years, and be dead before it next comes up for review.
Actually it corresponds to newcardsdaily * floor(log(time since starting) / log(ease))
Where ease is the number that the interval is multiplied by when you get cards right.
Here's proof: http://pastebin.com/YwsCF5PG
Set retention to 1.0, newcardsdaily to 1, configure numcards and days to limit how far it gets (numcards being too high will stop on "days", days being too high will stop when "numcards" cards have been added)
>had new cards turned off for 5 days now
>daily review load is actually going up instead of down
I like to read VNs by lying on my bed, my back supported with pillows and my laptop propped on my stomach, I find it the most comfortable and relaxing thing ever.
However I have problems when I reach sex scenes, since obviously my laptop gets in the way if I try to masturbate in this posture. I've tried but I can't find any way to lie down on my bed and still be able to comfortably both masturbate and read my laptop screen, so I usually have to head back to my desk for the scene, which is a huge inconvenience. If someone could offer a solution to this problem it would be great.
This is not what I learned Japanese for.
Then you should keep stuff with no relevance to DJT or /a/ on /jp/
Now if you turn the image into a learning resource of some sort or spam it enough to become thread culture then it would be fine.
>or spam it enough to become thread culture then it would be fine
>learning Japanese for 3D sluts
>not for you're waifu or at least cute anime girls in general
Has the image of DJT sunken so low? The sad thing is that being here I can attest that superficially this really looks like a more accurate description, though I prefer to believe it's just a minority of blogshitters being loud about their feels and what not.
>tired of waiting for someone to scan something I want, want to get my compelling content now
>email a known scanner that does this stuff on request and money
>he replied to my first email almost immediately, but more than 24 hours passed since I asked how much the specific doujin I want would cost me
I hope he didn't think it was too disgusting to buy and scan
You know, while I don't think that a serious learner will fall into the traps, I can definitely see how a text parser could fuck over someone's learning.
If you look at the text parser before the game text, the incorrect shit that it throws at you can be kinda disorienting, and make things a lot harder than they need to be. If you didn't make a deliberate effort to always read off of the game screen before clicking, droning through with sort of a half-understanding of what's going on would be very easy.
This is what 7zip does, even better.
声かける is the verb, it roughly means to raise your voice, but not in the sense that you're yelling.
It's in ～てくる + past form, てきた
Then add んだ and し (they're separate grammar points).
See if you can figure it out now.
声かけ is to say something, yes from 掛ける. きた in this case could mean 'finally', but I probably wouldn't put that in the translation. The young child finally uttered something, or however you want to say it
Memrise is pretty crap, I really wish it was better because when I used it the point system and so on was more motivating and less dull than anki, however it has a lot of flaws. You have to pay to use certain courses, you can't really add your own words, each language has one central database that you pull words from, and Japanese is divided into stupid sub-categories for things like only kanji (think RTK)... Basically it's a big clusterfuck, and things I complained about in pre-beta were never fixed (it uses a Chinese font for Japanese text by default for example).
That's just because all the uses of 掛ける don't translate well into a single word in english. In very general terms, 掛ける means to 'apply' something, or to 'put into use'. So to 掛ける your voice means to say something