>Misato Dub: Raspy but cute voice, great at shouting orders,

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>>133869827
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>>133869872
>dubfags

People who like dubs:
>old school anime fans who have been watching since the VHS days, usually well-adjusted accomplished adults who appreciate the artistry of the medium and support the industry

People who hate dubs:
>autistic weeaboo pedophiles who started watching anime in the last decade, fatass NEETs who pirate everything effectively killing the anime industry while acting elitist, usually only watch modern harem and moe shit

>>133872100
It sucks how true this is.

>>133872100
People were having the sub vs dub argument in the 90s you nostalgia faggot.

>>133872344
Yup, he is an insecure fellow.

>>133869827
English Mari > Japanese "engrish" Mari

Whether the dub is good or not literally doesn't matter given the translation issues of the english script

>>133869827
I love the eva dub but Ritsuko's english voice, it's so fucking bad

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>>133869827
>who genuinely loves the character

>You will never be your own waifu, record an emotional confession in her voice, and listen to it as you fall asleep.

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>>133869827
>be me
>have dual audio torrent for some reason
>starts on english
>cringe every time
>watching japanese media in anything other then japanese
this has to be bait

>>133875156
Sakamoto's english was pretty good though

>>133875349
i know it pains you but there are some dubs that are way better than the originals

cowboy bebop, FLCL, baccano to name a few

>>133869827
Dubbed Asuka is TERRIBLE.

Dubs are terrible and so is this thread.

>>133875610
This.
Sounds like a 40 year old chain smoker

>>133875484
Would it be worth downloading the english audio? Where the hell would I even go about doing that?

real quick question for everybody
is liking Asuka a meme?
I'm on like episode 19 and she is the most annoying little shit bitch in the entire show, I really don't understand why she's so popular.
I'm being 100% serious, am I missing something? Someone explain please.

>>133875678
She is the meme fanservice girl who is loved by shallow neckbeards.

>>133869827
>character
Dub: not the character
Sub: the character

>>133875678
>Someone explain please.
Simple, really. A newfag such as yourself is bound to have shit taste.

>>133875658
dual audio torrents are all over

if you've already watched evangelion i don't think it's necessary to watch it again in english

the dub is good but flawed and it takes a while for the VAs to come into their own

>>133875484
>>133875658
Well after a quick check all of my downloads for those shows have dual audio. That makes life easier.

>>133875678
She's the Mari of the original series.
Only the mentally retarded legitimately like her.

>>133875678
The only reason people like Asuka or Rei is because they first watched the series when they were 13 and were somehow attracted to these horrible character archetypes. Any adult who watches the series knows that Misato is the only girl worth liking.

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>>133875645
I got your Japanese 40 year old chain smoker right here

>>133875484
The FLCL English dub is quite good, but to say that it's better than the original Japanese dub is just straight up wrong.

>>133875895
nah chief

>>133875822
Yeah I have no intentions of watching eva in english. From what I've heard it is really bad as far as dubs go.

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>>133875862

>>133875969
You don't have to be a Reifag to see that Asuka is an extremely shitty character.

I still can't believe the BluRay version of ep 16 is an upscale.

>>133875678
I like Asuka as a character. As a person? Absolutely not. Same with Rei. Misato is best girl by far. She's a little broken but that's half the fun.

>>133876013
You wouldn't have to be so mad if you just killed yourself like Robin Williams.

I'm interested in trying Eva dubbed, maybe I'll try it when I rewatch in a few months.

>>133876013
everybody is a shitty character in evangelion

that's the whole point

>>133876013
>the tertiary conflict in the series is between Shinji and Asuka while Rei is literally dead
>Rei's the better character
She doesn't have anything else to offer besides realizing she doesn't have to be Gendo's bitch, while Asuka being fucking pyscho is one of the main influences on Shinji's character.

>>133875678
>I'm on like episode 19
If her character hasn't been made sympathetic yet it will be soon

>>133876074
misato, shinji, and gendo are really well done

rei's VA takes the "robot/doll" thing a little too far

asuka's VA is just bad but some people like it, i don't know

also the dub is really shit for like the first 1/4 of the show but then it gets much better

>>133875933
Nice argument senpai.
Seriously though, the Japanese cast is amazing. FLCL is a top tier dub but it doesn't even kind of stack up to the original Japanese.

>>133875678
>I'm on like episode 19
After ep 20, make sure to watch the DC versions of 21-24 (aka 21'-24') and then EoE.* Fuck the last two eps, they only exist coz Gainax ran out of money.

*I'd recommend 25' & 26', but good luck finding that outside of raws.

>>133875348
Meeting Tiffany Grant is a dream of mine, regardless of my position on the Eva sub vs dub debate she was the first voice I heard Asuka in, and her obsession with Asuka blows mine out of the water like a Arleigh Burke-class destroyer going up against a canoe. Meeting someone who has ascended to become one with Asuka as she has would be a true honor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzvIn0mdXtY

>>133876103
The bitch is relevant for 5 episodes and then is back to being a side character pilot who gets her shit kicked in.
None of the characters that actually matter (Misato, Shinji, Rei, and Gendo) give two shits about her.

>>133876122
>shinji
>well done
Fuck no. Worst voice in an already shit dub.

>>133876304
25' and 26' are what the two parts of EoE are referred to as, you tard. Directors cut editions of the last two episodes don't exist, what you saw on the TV version is all there is.

>>133876353
You can literally say the same thing about Rei. She's important the first 6 episodes and takes a back seat for the rest of the series until the end.

Dubbed Baka Test and Black Lagoon are both objectively better than their subbed counter parts.

Also Kenji's Coor Engrish in Rebuilds was incomprehensible.

>>133876439
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Guides:Episode_25%27/26%27_Video_vs._The_End_of_Evangelion

>>133876394
i like it, i guess i'm a pleb (very possible)

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>>133869827
I used to be a dub fag, but I've actually come to prefer Asuka's Japanese voice to the English

Tiffany Grant is still the ultimate Asukafag though

>>133876468
The video version and the theatrical version are both EoE, with a few fairly minor differences. I wouldn't say one is better or significantly different than the other.

>>133869827
Here, lemme fix that:

>Everyone
Dub: Shit.
Sub: Best.

There.

>>133876445
Difference being Rei is important, Asuka was just a filler character for the light-hearted shitty episodes like Magma Diver that have no bearing on the plot or characters.
Show would barely change if she never existed.

Eva dubs are better.
Black Lagoon dubs are better.
Hellsing Ultimate dubs are better.
Cowboy Bebop dubs are better.

These are all 100% objective facts.

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>>133875812
Would that mean that an adaption isn't the character, either, since it has an even greater level of abstraction from the original than a dub.
And if that's the case, wouldn't that mean that no character is the character, since they're all huge abstractions from the author's ideal of that character?

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>>133876600
>Show would barely change if she never existed.
Oh, it's this Reifag again.

>>133876353
Her getting her shit kicked in and her facade coming down are incredibly important to what happens with Shinji.
I mean get in the fucking robot's a pretty famous scene, it's all rather obvious.

>>133876660
Literally the only English dub that is better than its original Japanese is Big O. That's it.

>>133875895
It's not better.

It's different.

>>133876468
Literally just a different packaging, and both the video and theatrical versions are referred to as 25' and 26'. 25' and 26' aren't unique signifiers to describe something apart from the movie, as you seemed to be suggesting.

>>133876662
Dubbing is an affront to the director.
>abstractions
They're directed abstractions as opposed to those literally uninvovled with the creation of the work's abstractions.

>>133876673
>no rebuttal
Thanks for proving me right.

>>133876678
>are incredibly important to what happens with Shinji
How so? All I remember is her getting fucking rekt by the angel and put into a hospital bed. Then everyone forgets about her like the irrelevant filler side character she is.

>>133876600
Asuka is important too. She's a primary focal point of the series and essentially Rei's opposite.

>>133876698
In spite of that, my brother absolutely refuses to watch it dubbed.

Or watch anything dubbed, for that matter.

>>133876817
she's a foil character to both rei and shinji and a source of shinji's social and emotional anxiety

Sub is no different from dub. It's an inaccurate google translation that you're reading onscreen to comprehend Japanese. I also don't understand how people can judge Japanese voice acting if they can't even understand the language.

>>133876817
>Thanks for proving me right
Because the time I trashed yoyu months ago never happened, right?

>rekt
Just go back to /v/ already, christ. I don't even have to prove you wrong again, there's another anon humoring you already.

>>133876698
No, Hellsing Ultimate, Baccano, and Black Lagoon are all better dubbed, because they involve non-Japanese languages and accents where the nuance is completely lost if it's being done by Japanese VAs. The question of whether a dub or sub is preferable is answered by which more accurately represents the languages involved, which in 95% of anime which are set in Japan or fantasy settings where the language is merely a representation of the fantasy languages being spoken a la Tolkein means the original Japanese audio is preferred, but when non-Japanese real-world languages and accents are being represented oftentimes only the English dub bothers to get actors who speak or can accurately imitate those languages and accents, so in those cases the dub is the way to go.

While I prefer subs, don't hate dubs. I'll admit I like some dubs better than the subs (like YKR or Spice and Wolf).

However, the dub for Eva is awful. It makes me want to vomit every time I am unfortunate enough to heat it.

I cannot believe anyone, even dubfags, think the Eva dub is acceptable.

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>>133876869
>vague statements
>no examples
She has absolutely no character and no relevance to the plot. A foil is just a foil; she has nothing to bring to the table by herself. She's just mere filler used to develop other characters.
A replaceable doll, in other words.

>>133876913
You never trash anyone but yourself, that's why you always get banned and have to resort to spamming pictures of Rei getting raped in doujinshi. You're pathetic.

>>133875678
I like Asuka because her personality is real.

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>>133876600
Someone clearly doesn't understand what a foil is. In addition to the sexual tension with Shinji, which isn't just fanservice but contributes to his awkwardness and angst, she's also his foil. That is to say she suffers the same general tragedies that he does, but reacts in ways that are similar up to a point, but ultimately very different. By including Asuka and her trials, we are made to understand Shinji better through comparison. In this regard she IS a very important character.

>>133876874
You can understand the emoting of a person speaking a different language than you. Sure, you won't catch every little nuance of the dialogue, but you will be able to understand the general jist of how they feel.

>>133876943
>You never trash anyone but yourself, that's why you always get banned and have to resort to spamming pictures of Rei getting raped in doujinshi. You're pathetic.
What are you even on? Reifags confirmed for mentally insane.

>>133876747
But it's still less of a relative abstraction, even if it is even more abstracted from the original work. Dubbing's just changing the audio and rewording things; it can get bad, but it rarely alters the plot. Adapting is adding audio, animation, changing character designs for animation, and even trimming the plot to fit in 13 episodes or adding filler. No matter how closely they work with the original creator, it will always have a much higher degree of relative abstraction than a dub will have to it.

Asuka and Rei are both important to the story, but if you actually like them as people, you're fucked in the head.

At most, you're supposed to identify with Asuka's need to be the best, and Rei's inability to take care of herself.

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>>133876943
>She has absolutely no character and no relevance to the plot
Alright, you had me going there for a bit. I thought you wanted us to take you seriously there and weren't trolling softly.

>>133877105
I like them as people because they remind me of real people.

Just do what you feel. /a/ doesn't really discuss voice performance outside the one sided dub vs. sub threads. So no one will know which one you watched.

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>>133869827

> Japanese isn't my native language but I'll presume to completely understand all vocal nuances and then compare them to the ones I've grown up with my whole life.

Besides, even if you prefer the voices of the dub, the delivery is what kills it anyway, sounds like a 10 year old reading aloud a script for the first time.

>>133877057
This is one of the most assbackwards thing's I've ever read. No hyperbole.
>you see the one where the guiding staff had absolutely no say in is actually the one less removed from the original staffs vision

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>>133877105
I'm fucked in the head, and I'm going to marry Asuka-chan!

>>133877148
I'll see you in that great Asukabowl in the sky.

>>133877105
Is it wrong to like shitty people? If I can empathize and pity them, why can't I like them?

>>133877105
every character in evangelion has serious problems, and that's what makes it so relatable and endearing to people

>>133877145
The adaption is an abstraction from the original.
The dub is an abstraction from the adaption.
The dub will be more of an abstraction from the original than the adaption was, but the degree of abstraction from the dub to the adaption will be less than the degree of abstraction from the adaption to the original. Relatively, not absolutely, the dub is less of an abstractaction.

>>133875610
Dubbed Asuka is the least terrible out of them.

>>133877249
You frankly aren't giving the director his due. You're making the academy cry.

>>133877268
no way

gendo > misato > kaji > rei

LINE OF ACCEPTABILITY

> shinji > asuka > ritsuko

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>mfw dub Kaworu

>>133875349
>be someone else
>don't quote anyone or anything
>has ancient images with contemporary filenames
>is cancer

>>133877249
You're entire comparison is flawed on a basic level. An adaptation is the creation of a new work based on one in a different medium. A dub is taking a work, replacing one of it's vital aspects, and calling it a day. Sure, what you've replaced the original with could be better, but you've invalidated all of the work that the original voice actors and the director did to create that audio track.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr-XJR9IeH4

>>133875484
Being better than the average dub doesn't make them better than the originals.
That's just you dubfags grasping for straws, justifying something you know is wrong deep down inside.

>>133877319
>Ritsuko at bottom
Dubbed Misato and Ritsuko were the most marked improvements over the Japanese audio. The first time I heard their Japanese voices (which was when the first rebuild came out) I couldn't stand how shallow and generic they were compared to their English counterparts. Whatever no-name English VAs voiced them need some sort of recognition for how amazingly they portrayed their characters.

>>133877387
I like how they actually made him sound like a flaming homosexual.

>>133869827
Guys, Engdub sucks
GerDub of Nge is godlevel

>>133877520
Fuck off.

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>shoehorned german curses into every single sentence

>>133875678
Every girl in the series is unlikable on purpose.
The only reason anyone is attracted to them is because of generic cute anime girl looks + fanservice.

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How's it hangin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPyQ6dHsG3I

>>133877525
Are you talking about original dub Kaworu or directors' cut Kaworu? Because the latter didn't sound gay at all and was pretty good.

>>133877404
And a dub is the alteration of an existing work for a new audience (i.e. dubfags). It doesn't invalidate or take away from the original voice actors or directors; their work still exists, the people who enjoy it still enjoy it.

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Why I prefer dubs.

>>133877584
>Not being uncontrollably attracted to deeply flawed, shitty women entirely because of how terrible they are
My first waifu was Lady Ashley from The Sun Also Rises, if that tells you anything.

>>133869827
>Shit talking Hayashibara Megumi

Nigga you went full retarded with this alone

>>133877653
I think you might have posted the wrong .webm, unless kittens moving in unison is your justification for enjoying Western adaptations.

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>>133869827
>preferring anything over based Ogata
>preferring anything over based Hayashibara
>preferring anything over based Mitsuishi
>preferring anything over based Koyasu
>preferring anything over based Ishida
Stressing the very last one because I'm dirty Kaworufag trash.

I would love a dub of the psycho pass movie
Even if it sucks it can't be worse than the 50% engrish trash script that we got

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SOME DUBS ARE GOOD

MOST SUBS ARE BETTER

PLEASE FUCK OFF

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>>133876943
>She has absolutely no character and no relevance to the plot.
Their tweaked adolescent romance is important to the plot and it's largely these two character's failure's to connect that are the final straw in how instrumentality unfolds. The bookended illustration of her getting choked at the beginning and at the very end or even the jacking off at the beginning, these are all very blatant symbols of frustration at the disconnect between the two of them.
Do you think the opening and closing shots happened by accident?

>Adding a cartoony squelching noise when Misato shoots a soldier in the head in EoE
>Adding background screams to the third impact
Dubs are shit.

>>133877824
That's better you damn lewdster.

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>>133877824
do not sexualize misato

>>133877882
the EoE dub is trash, no arguing that

>>133877833
>Their tweaked adolescent romance
Not the person you're talking with, but I'm pretty sure romance isn't the word I'd describe for two people who are in love with other characters.

>>133877943
maybe the foley work but it has some of the better english VA work in the series

>>133877958
I seriously hope you're not actually this autistic.
You have their subconscious projected on screen for half an hour. You don't need to be a rocket surgeon to follow along.

>>133869827
Fuck off, dubfag.

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>>133877905
SEXUALIZE THE MISATO

>>133878051
Yeah, and I definitely would not call any of that resembling romance. Sounds like you're just a shipper who's ignoring large parts of these characters to force your distorted view of the series.

>>133878139
>Error: Duplicate file exists. here.
Hive mind.

>>133878170
You hear what they're thinking anon. It's not up for interpretation. It's not inference. You hear, what they're thinking. Two tweaked kids, desperate to connect, but too tweaked to actually pull it off. You get an airing of their grievances for fucks sake.
What is Jericho to you? A twitch?

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ENGLISH dubfags are retarded casuals that can't be taken seriously.
I'm no native English speaker but I do have a good english and I can clearly see how terrible and almost amateur-like voice actors for anime and cartoons are. They are extremely shitty. They tend to be generic and completely exaggerate the lines in a very childish way.

Voice actors in my language are 100x times better than English voice actors. It is a whole different level. Yet I still don't like watching my own language dubs, even tough they are pretty good. You don't need to be fluent in Japanese to completely understand the nuances and intonations and even language jokes to fully appreciate the native version of an anime. One year studying Japanese and getting accustomed to the intonations and that is all what you need. Trust me, I also studied 2 years of Japanese and can watch a SoL without subtitles and understand about 80% of what they are talking about (I watched Working 3 with no subs).

Back to English dub:
When you watch a high-budget CGI dreamworks/disney movie with proper AA actors doing the dubbing, the level of quality is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than that of cheap dub studios. Because U.S. is the leader of producing native-language media and rarely import movies or series to the mainstream television or cinema. This means that it's one of the major language countries with the most amateurish dubbers in the world because the population is used to watch things in their native language. Animation and series-dubbers are almost amateurs and they are usually used to only dubbing cheap kid's cartoon.

In my country there are dubs even for stupid sit-con series like TBBT. The market of dubbers is vastly superior to that of US, still it can't compare to the Japanese industry, because THEY ARE THE COUNTRY THAT MOST NEEDS DUBBERS IN THE WORLD! Not only do they dub foreigner series, they also need to dub their own animated production, which is HUGE, they acting is suberb.

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>>133878170
they LITERALLY spell it out for you

>>133878295
>I'm no native English speaker
>Voice actors in my language are 100x times better than English voice actors
this seems like an unbiased and worldly point of view

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>>133878295
The conclusion and TL;DR of all this is:

Those that prefer the atrocious English dubs are stupid casuals that don't know shit about Japanese to get most of the basic nuances of intonations of the language, are spoiled as fuck because they are not used to consume material outside their native language, so they never even get accustomed to having subtitles on the screen, and have such low standards to their own language, that they prefer a text less version with exaggerated shitty amateurish actors in English than making a small effort to getting to understand Japanese and stop bothering with subtitles.

They are mass-culture sheep that never watch an European movie and think the world revolves around their shitty cultural-canned culture and have only watched anime here and there.

>>133878295
I send parts of this to google and I don't get anything back. You're scaring me.

>>133878272
I never heard them in the show saying they loved eachother or anything. What you do hear and what is spelled out for you is that they love other people. Asuka hated Shinji, Shinji was indifferent to her.
That isn't romance, that's typical underage puberty mixed in with two kids who don't get along.
You're not only shipping, but you're also forcing an interpretation that even the staff members of the show have debunked.
>>133878365
And how exactly is this romance? Asuka looks angry as fuck and Shinji looks bored.
Do you call that romance?

>>133878469
THEY'RE HAVING SEX

>>133878481
I am actually laughing out loud.

>>133877905
Misato is canonically the most sexual main character in the series.

> retarded dumbfag, I mean dubfag

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>>133878440
the world literally revolves around english though

>>133878481
And they're both hating it.
Does sex equal romance?
Are you suggesting Ritsuko and Gendo having sex was a romance? What about when Shinji and Rei did it later on?

>>133878481
>asuka looks pissed off
>shinji looks like he's watching paint dry
Looks like a pretty bad lay if you ask me.

>>133878539
>Are you suggesting Ritsuko and Gendo having sex was a romance?
yes
>What about when Shinji and Rei did it later on?
yes

every character in this show is fucked up and has problems, the definition of romance goes beyond strictly "boy loves girl, girl loves boy"

>>133878440
>weeb spergs over others dislike of annoying nipspeak

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>>133878580
Shinji only enjoyed it when it was a boy penetrating him. What a fag.

>>133878425
I could give you an example, but since you are not accostumed to the sound and intonations of my language, you wouldn't be able to judge how "natural" the dubbing is, so you would just have to trust me.
Ok, maybe "100x" times better is an exaggeration, but it is a whole other level. I speak 4 different languages and am also used to watch movies in French and Italian because I like European movies. and it is clear as crystal to me how US has the worst and most amateur, exaggerated and childish voice actors of all the languages I'm used to.

>>133878539
Again it's the frustration at their inability to actually come together that defines their little warped thing.
I wonder what frustrated discordant sex symbolizes because my frontal lobe doesn't work.

>Are you suggesting Ritsuko and Gendo having sex was a romance?
Yeah but he cared about Yui more you autist. They have a come to Jesus and spell it out for you.

there is no deeper meaning to evangelion

anno hates women
anno hates weeaboos
anno hates waifufags, the combination of the above two
anno loves exploiting weeaboos and waifufags for their cash

that's basically it

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>>133878619
Then why didn't he enjoy it when this boy was penetrating him?

>>133875678
>oh my gooood do people really like a character than I don't? literally how could this possible happen I'm so confuuuuused

>>133878451
I just wrote it now.

>>133878523
Around the English language yeah, but not really around the north-american culture as much as you native think. around they culture. We that aren't native English speakers can easily ditch the US's industry and language and fully enjoy other countries movies and series in a blink of an eye.

>>133878676
Because that boy is not attractive.

>>133878051
I'm not the guy you answered to and I agree with your opinion but I just wanted to correct something:
>subconscious
The correct therm is unconscious. Try googling it.

>>133878469
Anon I'm pretty sure you legitimately have autism.
100% serious

>>133878707
>We that aren't native English speakers can easily ditch the US's industry and language and fully enjoy other countries movies and series in a blink of an eye.
You know that this is true of literally anything, right? If we weren't here talking about anime we would just be wasting our time with something else, and if American media didn't exist something else would take its place.

>>133878591
>>133878665
That's not what romance means.

>>133878772
Then I guess everyone who worked on the show has autism too.

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>>133878440
>The conclusion and TL;DR of all this is:
>proceeds to write more tl;dr

>>133878830
>That's not what romance means.
ro·mance

Ardent emotional attachment or involvement between people:

>>133878772
As much as I like the word I don't think he's autistic. He's not misconstruing things or inferring incorrectly, he's obtusely disagreeing with what's verbosely spelled out.

>>133878830
Although romance is typically defined by one's emotional connection to a lover over the physical one, the truth of the matter is that the two are highly connected.

>>133878885
How can there be emotional attachment when Asuka laughs when Shinji 'died' from Leliel and Shinji didn't even care when she was getting eaten apart in EoE? He cares about fucking Kensuke more than her.

>>133878920
They barely interact in the series.

>>133878796
You missed the point: I watch French, South-american and Itallian movies all the time and don't need to be locked to a single language/culture based production.

For North-Americans, watching anything not produced in English is completely alien, it is much harder for them getting accustomed to watch anime in Japanese. Most that still insist in defending the dubs haven't actually completely borded the Japanese-culture and are CASUALS still badly accustomed to only consuming things in English.
I also used to frequent large anime forums in my language, you would never see anyone defending that watching dubbed anime is better than the original Japanese. The only people that argued this was usually the filthiest shounentards arguing how the Japanese Dragon Ball original dub is very weird (because they were used to the excellent dubbed version they saw on television). But taht is pretty much the exception.
That was my main point.

>>133878996
>Shinji didn't even care when she was getting eaten apart in EoE?
I take it back. This is pure autism.

>>133878996
>They barely interact in the series.
Now you are just baiting. The entire middle section of the series focuses on Shinji and Asuka's relationship.

>>133878996
i can't even bother to explain this anymore. you're stressing me out.

if you're baiting, you win. if you're not, please either rewatch the series or don't talk about it.

>>133879027
They knew eachother for canonically two months.

>>133879054
Bro for real though, you realize that Shinji was sitting their devastated that he couldn't get in unit 01 while Asuka was getting the lance. You realize Yui only broke herself free after Asuka was dead, deliberately.
You aren't actually this autistic are you?

>>133879054
Shinji knew everyone in the plot, canonically, for about 4 months, and Asuka for about 3. So clearly that wasn't long enough to make a connection with anyone, right? So the whole story should be weightless then, since Shinji shouldn't give a shit about anyone.

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>>133876453
>Dubbed Baka Test

List of dubs superior to the original Japanese:
Any show I watched on Toonami or AS when I was 12 and didn't know better and now I have a nostalgic attachment to it

>>133879315
steve blum is pretty good though

he'll always be spike spiegel to me and it has nothing to do with watching bebop on AS at 14

his voice is just so effortlessly cool

>>133876453
English dubs are so shitty that they even change the original music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQYakKz3i6E

Only languages worse than English are Polish and Greek. PT-PT and French are very bad too.

The only anime I've watched in English is Cowboy Bebop, because it was the first series I sat down and watched. It takes some of the fun out of anime for me if it isn't in Japanese.

Also, can I open the second audio track and subtitle file by default on MPC? Because otherwise I'll have to switch them every time I open an episode of some series I have.

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>Not watching your Anime muted while playing Beethoven's Piano Sonata No.8 and No.19, or alternatively one of his many String Quartets.

>Having the nerve to watch anime on a screen any smaller than 60 inches and at anything less than 720p, without a glass of wine or champagne that is at least equal to or above the caliber of Dom Perignon.

>Thinking that you can truly understand the Japanese tongue before having seen the Cherry blossoms in person as they fall upon your cheek while you run in a rushed, yet gingerly manner with toast hanging out of your mouth.

>Thinking that any Anime made by a director that doesn't suffer from depression and works with animators that work less than 18 hours a day should even make it onto your palette let alone be worth your time to judge the audio quality and its various versions.

>Not understanding that Anime was a mistake from the start and that despite the preparations you should make before watching it, mentioned at the beginning of this post, started going downhill (in terms of overall quality) after 1918.

I knew I was among casuals, just not casuals of this bottom scrapping quality.

>>133879315
This. Subjective attachment is very strong for many people and is difficult to someone develop an objective critical sense that surpasses it.

That being said, I first watched Evangelion in my native language when I was 13. When I first watched the japanese version one Year later It was completely alien to me and I still prefered my native language version. About 2 years later tough, I was completely engulfed in Japanese animation and now completely used to the language and became clear how Eva original dub was top-quality. I still enjoy watching the dub version now and then but the original is so much better and sounds more natural now, no contest.

>>133879441
I'm not going to lie, I prefer Faulconer and dub Goku.
Dragonball's jap music never grew out of the 80s production values.

>>133879461
>he thinks there is advantage in watching anime in 1080p
Delete this weak troll, you have just shot yourself in the foot.

Also, I have went Hanami even tough I never visited Japan.

>>133869827
GHOST STORIES
I challenge one of you autistic fucks to give me one good reason that explains how one could think the dub is not superior. I'll save you the time, you can't

>>133879579
You're debunking pasta FYI.

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>>133879531
>Dragonball's jap music never grew out of the 80s production values.
Please form proper criticism with some minimum basis.

Shunsuke Kikuchi is a fairly good incidental composer, and the DBZ soundtrack was actually live-recorded and not pre-sampled. You can't even compare with the shitty synthesized generic soundtrack POS that the dub studio used for the Japanese version.

That being said, DBZ is a completely shit anime with shitty story and shitty characters that only retarded shounentard enjoys. I never even bothered watched it entirely in the native Japanese version because t'is not even worth the download. I'm more than used to the my language original dub version.

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>>133876070
this is whole thread is getting outta hand like always

berserk sub or dub?

i want to watch it and i'm getting conflicting answers

obviously i'm leaning towards sub but people are saying NO THE DUB IS A REALLY GOOD ONE I SWEAR

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>>133879579
>Thinking that downloading a native 720p file will have the same quality as a properly encoded 1080p file, even if it's an upscale
I now feel pity rather than anger.
>even though I never visited Japan
I suppose you also think that Beethoven's Sonata No. 1 for Piano & Cello in F major and Sonata No. 2 for Piano & Cello in G minor are the same thing, you swine

>>133879779
BERSERKER

>>133879692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsalzwkykIg
The fidelity of the Japanese voice acting made it into the 90s, you can hear the ost is stuck in the last decade.
Yeah a shitty synth ost is super 90s, but at least it's 90s.
I don't know what they were mastering to but by the time it made it to the tv it's clearly on some particularly shitty analog tape. Particularly:
>soundtrack kicks in
>noise floor audibly changes

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>>133879830
A proper debilineared and anti-aliased 720p encode will have better quality than an unprocessed 1080p encode even with the alleged superior chroma resolution. Most of the benefit of the extra chroma can hardly be seen outside the red channel.

Ideally you would like to watch the original m2ts from the BD's with a real time ffdshow raw processor hosted to avisynth with debilinear, maa2 and madvr NNEDI3 upscalle (I really hope you are not a poorfag and have a 980 capable of doing that, pal).

I like Beethoven's chamber music, my prefered sonata is indeed 1 but lately I've been enjoying modern composers, I've been listening to Hindemith's viola sonatas. They are excellent.

>>133879961
Well, the audio mastering and the 80's telecine was indeed hideous. The different floor-noise-level probably was fault of the television broadcasting compressing the audio.

>>133880219
What are your thoughts on episode 16 BD version being a DVD upscale?

>>133880115
>can hardly be seen outside the red channel
> can hardly be seen outside the red channel
>hardly be seen
>hardly, as in better, but not by an amount a commoner could tell.
you seem to know more than I gave you credit for, so why are you proving me right?
>980
of course, with 3-way SLI
>Hindemith's viola sonatas
Never mind, you're alright.

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>>133880328
I have already presented my thoughts about that on the comment section of nyaa.

Basically I'm almost certain there still exists HD versions of episode 16 around since RX confirmed that the HDCAM for episode 16 was made from an 35mm interpositive (which should also probably still exhist) and those were used to broadcast the Renewal on the television back in 2003 in 1080i Khara probably used the DVD SD masters because it was unable to get their hands on other HD sources from gainax due to some legal dispute and was too lazy to insist on the matter which is inexcusable imo.
Particularly the uspcale in the BD is hideous because it has excess ringing due to oversharpening and wasn't even proper color corrected (lots of red casting throughout the episode).

I have made a V2 for my episode 16 which I'll release with my final batch but I'm also considering doing a quick color correction for the red tint.

Anyways, Is a shame. I hope someone gets their hands on the 1080i .ts from 2003, but I'm not getting my hopes up of seeing episode 16 in hd so soon (if ever).

Sorry about not giving news about the extras. My last exam is next sunday, after that I'm free to work on Eva again.

>come to thread expecting /a/non-tier shitflinging and buzzword-dropping
>discussion of audio mastering and 20th century atonal composers instead
Pleasantly surprised, thread.

>>133880501
It's okay.

btw, is the video versions of 25' & 26' hd or sd?

>>133880533
you scrolled too far, scroll up a little bit for the shitflinging

>>133880583
I jumped right to the end. I'm up for a reasonable dub v. sub conversation, but I know how much of a cacophonous echo chamber these threads can be.

>>133880370
>you seem to know more than I gave you credit for, so why are you proving me right?

Because most anons that claim to be elitefags and who prefer watching in 1080p with FLAC don't really know much about encoding and placebo, It's always good to debunk them. I mistakenly assumed you were one of them. I'm sorry.

>>133880533
I'm actually a little bit of a presumptuous jerk with music. really love classical.

>>133880566
What video versions?

>>133878620
You aren't wrong, and the idea that Jap voice tracks are somehow as bad an the English dubs because you don't understand them is bullshit. This is not to say that the Nips don't have varying levels of quality, but the average is far, far higher and rarely dips to the level of the typical English dub.

Having said that, I am actually more partial to the Eva dub because I like the personalities it gives the characters better, despite it being otherwise technically weaker.

>>133880715
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Guides:Episode_25%27/26%27_Video_vs._The_End_of_Evangelion

The versions of 25' & 26' that were on the LDs and first DVDs before Renewal. basically EoE slightly reedited to be two 45 min episodes, with different titles, credits for each ep AND a preview for 26' at the end of 26'

I believe it's one of the extras on the set. Wasn't sure whether they went to the effort to remaster that in HD or it's just an upscale.

My 'perfect' nge set would be 1-20, 21'-26', subs only

>>133880718
>I am actually more partial to the Eva dub because I like the personalities it gives the characters better, despite it being otherwise technically weaker.

As long as you admit your preference is subjective and the original is technically better, than it's fine.

>>133880694
I too am sorry, you obviously are above those who you speak of. You also have proven that you have good taste in music.

>>133869827
Misato
Sub: Legendary
Dub: Great

Rei: Good in both, but Japanese is better, the Yui parts sound really ... no other words to describe it, but motherly

Asuka, i'd say they're pretty close, Japanese sounds cuter, English sounds slightly more annoting.
Dere goes to Japanese
Tsun goes to English, oh the irony
Tiffany Grant deserves all credit for the love and effort she put in the role.

Shinji: Sub is better, but dub gets better with time, only has one point where the dub is better than the sub, and it's in 2.0 I WANT REI, GIVE HER BACK

Ritsuko:
Meh, who cares

Gendo:
Japanese is great, and English has been re cast 3 times, and you can't distinguish it from Fuyutsuki

Rebuild bonus
Mari dub > Mari sub
Mari shit

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>>133880786
Whoa I didn't know about that.

I did notice disk 9 had yet a 3rd version of the "EoE" and was wondering why have 3 discs with the same movie.
I did know about the LD version of EoE being separated but I didn't know it was added to the BD and that it was the EoE from disc 9.

Anyway, I checked several frames of this "EoE" (episode 25 and 26) of disc 9 comparing with the EoE from disc 8. The bad news is that while the CRC where different, the frames looked exactly the same. I believe this is a copy+paste with the added credits on the end which are clearly interlaced and dirty SD.

I think I'll add this final credits and preview on the extras. good thing I saw your post.

>OP
A faggot.

>>133880908
That's okay.

Only one more thing.

Could you check that one shot that's different between the 2 versions that's mentioned in the guide?

I'm curious if that's still there or if it's a literal cut-and-paste from the movie.

>>133880718
>the idea that Jap voice tracks are somehow as bad an the English dubs because you don't understand them is bullshit
This is correct, but to be fair you're misrepresenting the point that people are making when they bring language fluency to the table, which is that not being accustomed to the inflections and intonations of a given language renders you incapable of perceiving what does and doesn't sound natural in that language.

In my mind this is the biggest problem in practically any dub, of any quality. That or scriptwriting.

i can't tell if i love or hate asuka's dub

i think i hate it a lot

either way it invokes strong emotion in me

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>>133880908
Also, I didn't notice the different final credit sequence before because I didn't roll the video all the way to the end and only compared several screenshots in the middle. Rather silly of me.

>>133880816
Thank you, I'm glad we clear that out and we have fellow classicfags around here.

Talking about music, I was going to make a thread after my exams about something I discovered when I was rewatching the BD version of Nadia. Anno reused a musical theme from the Nadia on 3.33 during the launch sequence of nautilus (don't remember the episode of nadia). The music on episode 3.33 is "Dark Defender" and it's called "Universal Battleship Nautilus" on the Original Nadia OST (cd 3).
Suddenly Rebuild 3.33 started to remind me A LOT of Nadia as I was rewatching the series. I wanted to create a thread to discuss about this later but this discussion about music remind of me of this.

if you watch an anime sub you wont remember much because you will only remember words and not sounds

>>133880822
This, across the board pretty much. Also, it's typical in a dub, especially from Eva's time, to have a huge disparity in quality between main cast and side characters. I liked the main cast for the most part, but hearing the Seele scenes in the dub was almost traumatic, and I say that having heard more of the dub.

>>133881080
Yeah, also, all EoE references in the titles are changed to NGE.

Will we ever see 3.0+1.0?

>>133880822
>GIVE HER BACK
That was a pretty good whisperyell. Ogata's is better.

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Since this is basically turning into a pseudo-BD thread, did that one anon ever come out with subs for the Anno phone video?

>>133880822
Grant gets points for actually being able to speak German.

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>>133880970
Yes, it's there. The sound suddenly mutes and Asuka voice isn't heard.

I suspect this was digitally added by Sony for this particular scene on the copy+cut of EoE. I doubt they had a different master for this and even the grain looked the same when I compared screenshots months ago. I'll check again looking for particular film specks to see if they are the same just to be sure.

Interesting. The first EoE I downloaded was a 512x384 hardsubbed avi from kazaa back in 2001. It was this pre-renewal DVD version with the muted Asuka line. I always wondered why Anno decided to do this and I was also intrigued when I watched the OPDR Renewal encode and the line was there. I think this has some interesting meaning with the movie.
The only other line similar to this is the "okaerinasai" from lillith to Rei.

This is also interesting because it kinda resembles all the (not) from the titles of the rebuilds. Although "iya (no)" is different from "dekinai(not)"

>>133881232
At this point I'm not surprised.
>Redrew a still shot of a telephone and phone book
>'Animated' the silent elevator ride shot three times.

>>133869827
ladies and gentlemen, neo-a

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>>133869827
>filthy westerner who has no ear for subtly of professional Japanese voice actors.
Go watch your american cartoons where everyone is a diverse flower.

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>>133881221
Yes and he also made a translation for the D&R promo.
Too bad he never willed to translate the EoE Live Action sequence making of with has some interesting comments from Anno (for what I could understand with my Japanese)

>>133881232
Just made this comparison:
http://diff.pics/BO9T6anM3XCM/1
As you can see the encoding are different. The video edition from disc 9 is actually 1080i (yuck), the encodings are different.
But the film master is actually the same. I selected this frame because it has a big white tri-point-like-star film-speck on the bottom left corner of the image. This proves that the telecine was the same from the EoE and that Sony added the "[Iya]" line digitally themselves and cut-pasted the credits from the old DVDs at the end of the m2ts.

>>133869827
I like the original more. It's not because I'm not used to listening to Japanese that it sounds awesome, both English and Japanese aren't my native language.

>>133881494
Well, if I was in their position, I probably would have done the same thing.

Of course, I would have also rescaned the 35mm dupe of ep 16 or even used the 1080i scan they did back in 2003 instead of doing an upscale, but what do I know?

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>>133877603

When will you stop making this thread?

>>133881494
Nice. Where could I find the subs? Or what could I search in the archive to find them?

>tfw waiting for the EoE BD rip with an English dub track
I'm sorry, I watched it so many times and love so much of the delivery in it. Unnecessary SFX were stupid, translation was dumb sometimes, a few side characters had shit VA, but the main characters were excellent, especially Asuka. Also waiting on that 3.0 dub now that it's finally got a release date, but 3.0 was shit and I don't think a dub is going to change my mind about that slog. 2.0's dub was good though, Kensuke aside, haven't watched it in Japanese since I got the BD thanks to Mari's based battlesex voice.

>>133881775
>3.0 was shit
>>>/out/

>>133881775
See, this is one of the other reasons I like subs.

Someone fucks up a sub, okay, someone can come along and fix it up or replace it whole cloth.

Someone fucks up a dub, stiff shit.

>>133881818
Sorry you like it.

>>133881761
What subs do you want? For the m2ts? Separated?
I was going to add the split Bloat sub in this mega folder but haven't had time to do it yet.

https://mega.nz/#F!roBS0bzS!yheQbwYWX7WMt7Q_lqBULg

There was an anon the split it and posted on one thread some weeks ago, he added "actors" in the subtitle too. You can try and search with this keywords (if you do find and repost here, I'll be glad. I was looking for them on my download folder and couldn't find it.)

>>133877603
"OHHH YOUU!!! CUT THAT OUT AND GET READY!"

My god, how can anyone like english dubs? It's hideous.

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I've been away from /a/ for a while. Has it gotten so bad that people here ACTUALLY watch dubs?

>>133881897
No I meant the subs for the Anno phone vid. I actually did find a post from that guy who translated it in the archive but it was just a pastebin link with the translations, I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about though.

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>>133877711

I think they're meant to be playing eye ping pong between the subs and actual anime.

>>133882218
Ow. He only did a pastebin. I'm going to make the subs (time it) and add to the video and release it together with the rest of the extras of the BDs on a torrent batch by the end of this month.

>>133882229
Holy shit, is this an actual concern of stupid dubfags? You really can't read with your peripheral vision? I feel sorry for you.

>>133882238
Cool, I'll keep an eye out for it then. I pretty much stopped following Eva threads closely after the pseudo generals/BD hype threads died out in like mid/late September or whenever it was.

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ディラックの海

>>133882271
its quite sad, but some people are just born with life changing diformaties. They will never enjoy the riches of a normal life.

>>133878481
Wait, they did it? I don't remember this.

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>>133882025
This is all your fault.

>>133882445
That is open for interpretation, some people think that is literal memory of them having sex, other think it's part of the mindfuck inside the tang representing their mind merging together (more likely IMO).

>>133882405
>diformaties
The irony of this post, holy shit.

CBM released a full 720p batch with dual audio. Seems bloated as fuck, anyone checked?

>>133883804
It's pretty good, subs are well done, video is good, though no color correction. Only 1-26 plus director's cuts, but has indicated Death & Rebirth & EoE is on the way

>>133878996
well no wonder, kensuke actually fixed his mind when he was in EoE depression mode in episode 4, while asuka just pushed him over the edge.

>>133872100
>who appreciate the artistry of the medium
>by watching a worse version of it

>>133875484
>baccano
>MASAYA ONOSAKA
dub never had a chance

>>133876335
I swear this video gets posted in every thread in which Tiffany Grant's name is typed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the one who posts it.

>>133877141
underrated post

>>133869827
surely you are joking

>>133875484
I remember last time I was rewatching FLCL I tried the dubs and then I couldn't decide which to stay with. The english voices were pretty good, but Haruko just didn't work. She tried to imitate that same kind nasal voice as in the sub but it just didn't work too well.

>>133875484
>baccano
This. English Ladd Russo blew the whole fucking show out of the water. I'm sad he's been in so little else. Also It's great hearing Jacuzzi in both, they did such a great job of matching the Jap seiyu it's just like they pitched the voice down a couple semitones and slapped a different language on it.

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>>133877824
>Not drawing the scar

>>133869827
no

>>133875678
Well, I disliked Asuka quite a bit personally but I think she was a great character. I guess I can feel empathy for people who are in a bad emotional state, but I lose that empathy when they express agressive behavior. I just can't respect Asuka because of how violent she was.

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>>133888133
Please do not sexualize the Misato

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>>133869827
>People who unironically like English dubs

Spot the murican

>>133875348
Bitch isn't her own waifu. She's just a delusional cunt.

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>>133888301
She's trying her best, though. It just feels impolite not to jerk to her loud enough that she can hear.

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>tfw i like both the sub and dub for Eva

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>>133888615