No one wants to admit it, so allow me to be the first to say: Mushishi sucks.
It's like a House M.D. where the illness is always mushi and the ending is always "the patient dies." Let me describe a Mushishi episode: weeee, we're in some faggot bumfuck village in Japan and someone has gotten sick with a peculiar ailment. White-haired fuckface shows up, figures out it's a mushi, but there's nothing he can do about it because the person has been completely taken over and/or replaced by a mushi, so if he "cures" them they'll die. Then the retard villagers decide to ignore all of his advice, the mushi is exorcised, and the person dies. Woooooow it's soooo fucking goooood.
Why do people like this show? Because it's "comfy"? So is getting a buzz while watching Tara Tainton's jerk off instructions. There are very few redeeming qualities to Mushishi other than the far-too-typical list of things that it ISN'T (e.g. b-but at least it's not moeshit).
Dude, it's not fucking bait you absolute retard. Give me the reason you think Mushishi deserves its reputation. I'll wait. Oh wait, you don't have one, you just assume it's good because every anime site swears that it is. You literally have not even watched it, have you.
just enjoy the great ost, nice looking scenery and comfy voices
Don't need to watch it to notice your post is b8 and that it looks like a copypasta
Sorry that I bothered to actually type out reasons for why Mushishi is overrated faggotry in paragraph form.
Ok, whatever, it's comfy. So was K-On, everyone's favorite anime to take a gigantic shit on these days. They both had a similar lack of meaningful plot. Mushishi is moeshit without the moe.
Psycho Pass was fucking good brah, I'd like to see you explain why it isn't. It took a concept that had been explored in the past (Minority Report), went totally left field with it, managed to make an engaging and startlingly believable view of the future... probably the best "true crime" scifi anime since Ghost in the Shell, not even shitting you.
>Yuru Yuri poster laughing about Psycho-Pass
Was it because she wasn't gay enough for you?
I like how you and everyone else is dodging addressing the fact that Mushishi is boring by trying to attack me instead, though.
I mean. I'm not a huge fan of the show because it doesn't hit me in the comfy the way something like Aria or Hidamari Sketch does. I've never even finished both seasons. But I'll certainly say the show is good. Each episode involves intriguing character study. There is always some element of mystery, which keeps you engaged. It's largely conducive to thematic analysis. And each episode seems based on some forms or adaption of some old shinto folk tale. It's like watching a collection of folk stories, mixed with a little magic/science witch doctor stuff. That's the appeal. It's really atmospheric and the music and background art are fantastic. That's why people find it comfy. From an artistic peospective, it's better than most anime, and not in the shitty Angels Egg kind of way.
Again, I kinda agree with you op. I'm not a fan of it, but it's still inarguably pretty good.
>Calls mushishi shit
>likes sicko piss
Let me guess, you also watch bleach and wang piss, call yourself an otaku and are upset there's no more anime like gits, cowboy bebop and eifen lied?
>OP is a mushi, don't fall for it.
>It's like watching a collection of folk stories
That's how I described it. It like sitting around a warm campfire listening to old folk tales.
Some of them are depressing and some of them are happy, but they are all comfy as fuck.
>the illness is always mushi
Not always, some times the illness is
>the ending is always "the patient dies"
The first episode ends up with the "patient" living together with the immortal half of his grandmother.
Try again after you articulate your points in a better way op.
>It's like a House M.D. where the illness is always mushi and the ending is always "the patient dies.
So what you're saying is a show about a ghost buster shouldn't be about him catching ghosts?
Also the cases and conclusions varies greatly, which you would know if you watched more than a handful of eps.
But basically your "complaint" is that the episodes are too similar?
Why don't you tell us what we should be watching and enjoying instead then?
I see, that's fine with me. As long as the original work has ended.
Which release should I go with? From what I've seen on nyaa, Vivid seems to have S2. I saw a 1080p BD remux for the first season (Niizk) but it's 14 GBs, should I take that or go with [SORE]?
Mushishi is arguably the same thing though as it you look at society try and engage itself with something not from the regular world. Ginko is just a neutral vessel detached from society due to his Mushi condition, which makes him the perfect eyepiece to study how normal villagers react to strange things. It's not gonna be happy all the time, but it does leave a sense of natural flow. Hence the feeling of comfort induced when watching this show
I wish this meme had caught on. But thanks for reminding me about it anyway, have a Ginko flat vector.
>Yusuke Shiki: Whenever it felt like I was in a knot about what a character should do or how I would progress the story, I turned to stuff like Mushishi.
>Yusuke Shiki: From the onset, I wanted to do something serious, but I didn't want a superficial ending. I wanted to go at a slow, realistic pace while still appealing to a young audience. So for the more mature, believable elements I turned to Mushishi, which had the capacity to create unique, relatable characters each episode while running between good and bad endings.
>probably the best "true crime" scifi anime since Ghost in the Shell
You guessed wrong. I don't address anime from a meme perspective, I'm just trying to find good shit, and I was lied to about Mushishi
>intriguing character study
Bullshit. The characters are superficial (in case that wasn't obvious by the fact that I legitimately did describe 75% of them in the OP), and the most you can get out of the "good" episodes are extremely common psychological concepts like social proof or commitment/attachment. This shit can be seen in basically any anime.
>It's largely conducive to thematic analysis
I think that's what people tell themselves because it is so devoid of content
>like watching a collection of folk stories
Yeah, it is... and that's not all that engaging since folk stories are for 5 year olds.
>It's really atmospheric and the music and background art are fantastic
But apparently not enough to sustain the show. I don't want an anime to watch in the background.
>From an artistic peospective, it's better than most anime
That's because most anime is pretty mediocre. My thoughts are more along the lines of "But is it better than GOOD anime," and I don't think it is.
Are you for real?
The thing about Mushishi is that you "get the point" after like 5 episodes (if I'm being generous), but Psycho-Pass keeps things interesting for two whole seasons.
I have no plans to watch season 2 of Mushishi based on how much season 1 dragged.
>It barely has any depth.
This guy gets it
OP, you're arguments are fucking retarded. You didn't like Mushishi because you thought it was boring, as seen here >>133848975
Most of the complaints in the thread post are flat out wrong, as addressed by other anons. I'm not even going to comment on the examples of "good" shows you've given. Mushishi is a show that was designed to make you think about the issues it addresses in each episode, not to try to provide some kind of answer. If you didn't realize this and haven't thought about the ideas of the show, fuck off.
>Psycho-Pass keeps things interesting for two whole seasons
Psycho-Pass can't even keep basic elements of its setting consistent.
>Psycho-Pass keeps things interesting for two whole seasons.
I explained why I thought it was boring at least 3 times, and the fact that you are "not going to comment" mostly demonstrates how buttflurried I made you. I'm absolutely fucking correct about how I described Mushishi.
You and others in this thread who are trying to play the "it makes you think" card only believe that because you are either too young or too underexposed to other artforms. Even in the context of strictly anime, Mushishi is not very thought-provoking. There have been meme-tier moe anime like Angel Beats that genuinely gave you more to consider.
I don't see any evidence of that.
Yeah, I wasn't kidding when I said it could be the GitS of our time. I'm not sure if people could actually be talking about it in 10 years (due to the vast amount of content being generated these days), but it is certainly worthwhile.
Mushishi is still talked about, on the other hand, because people have been duped by their social peers into thinking it's more impressive than it is.
And it hurts them so badly to be told that it's not genuinely thought-provoking that they post shit like this >>133849518
Hoping the truth will go away
>I don't see any evidence of that
How people are presented in episode 14 in their response to murder is contradicted multiple times before hand, even by sheltered teenagers and in the very first episode.
It's average at best. The movie sucks and S2 is utter shit.
It's pretty sad that the series is now over. The finale thread was amazing. The comfy anons have moved on, knowing that the mystifying, natural wonders of mushi will remain in their hearts.
Now we only have mushi threads like these.
>I'm absolutely fucking correct about how I described Mushishi.
>It's like a House M.D. where the illness is always mushi and the ending is always "the patient dies." Let me describe a Mushishi episode: weeee, we're in some faggot bumfuck village in Japan and someone has gotten sick with a peculiar ailment. White-haired fuckface shows up, figures out it's a mushi, but there's nothing he can do about it because the person has been completely taken over and/or replaced by a mushi, so if he "cures" them they'll die. Then the retard villagers decide to ignore all of his advice, the mushi is exorcised, and the person dies. Woooooow it's soooo fucking goooood.
You know that happens like once or twice in the entire show, right? He saves them most of the time.
You are just flat out wrong. If you don't like a simple, comfy story with good characters, GOAT OST and art every episode, that's fine. That's subjective. But you are obviously attacking it for the wrong reasons.
Psycho Pass was pretentious garbage btw.
>calls Mushishi moeshit
>watches K-on and Love Live
It certainly didn't jump out at me when I watched the show, but it's been a while so I can't comment on that beyond saying it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that should have bothered you. It wasn't critical to the plot in a way that can't be explained away.
I've watched the fucking show, m8. Don't lie to me. Was I exaggerating for the sake of humor? Sure. Are the episodes of the show really that different from each other? No. I don't think "comfy" is enough to make an anime an all-time great, which is no-shit how people talk about Mushishi all the time. Especially normalfags. It is embarrassing. The soundtrack and art are nice, m8. Just nice.
That wasn't me, m8. The fact that you even fell for that bait goes to show how desperate you are for some logical fallacy to save you from the crushing reality of this thread's arguments.
Yeah, Mushishi is ok as fuck. It doesn't deserve to be auto-recommended in every "GOAT ANIME" chart or thread.
>The thing about Mushishi is that you "get the point" after like 5 episodes (if I'm being generous), but Psycho-Pass keeps things interesting for two whole seasons.
So you're saying something is bad because it doesn't have depth? Talk about being stupid.
Also Psycho-pass was only decent for the first season, the second season took a massive nosedive so you thinking it held up for 2 seasons makes me question your intelligence.
>This guy gets it
And you didn't get his point.
No point in making serious rebuttals when you don't even have any arguments. As was said >>133849082 , basically you dislike Mushishi because it's too similar from one ep to the next (as your "argument").
I bet you think stuff like Star Trek sucks because "they're mostly in the ship talking".
OP here. This is literally me and what I look like and what I'm doing right now.
Nice rebuttal btw.
Star Trek (TOS, particularly) is an interesting comparison because it actually did have startling philosophical depth across a large number of episodes.
You and I seem to almost be talking past each other, because you think I'm criticizing a lack of depth in setting, but I am very much criticizing a lack of depth in content in Mushishi that Star Trek absolutely does not have.
>in regards to psycho pass it is pretty much unanimously agreed that the first season was ok/good and the second one was garbage
>OP think both seasons were great
>in addition can't give any real reasons why he thinks the show is bad, because obviously he didn't read the manga
I agree that the antagonists were pretentious... because that is what they were supposed to be. That doesn't translate to the show being pretentious unless you somehow think all dialogue is meant to be taken at face-value as "something the director wanted you to believe"
>still can't give any real reasons why he thinks mushishi is bad, instead decides to go for red herrings
OP, you're one of those people that think they're smart but are actually massive idiots.
Your first point is some kind of appeal to the population that simply doesn't fly here. The "consensus" also believes Mushishi is GOAT when it is not.
I didn't read the manga, nor should reading the manga be any kind of prerequisite or corequisite to watching or critiquing the anime. The anime is the only thing I am talking about in this thread.
OP obviously has only seen two anime. Give him some slack.
People even think SAO is good when they haven't watched much.
I think both parties are like that at this point. Both are thinking the other is a raging retard and they're the sane ones. Then there are a few middle people just watching this flame war with popcorn
>doesn't seem like the kind of thing that should have bothered you
The stagnation brought on by lack of conflict due to the Sybil System is pretty important in the story, and it actually can't be explained away. It's just an inconsistency you have to accept. Let's not forget how stupidly the scanners are implemented that is never addressed, not being allowed in houses and specific buildings despite the aims of the system and no one justifiably would have a problem with it.
Psycho Pass is just kind of bad at a lot of things. One things that sticks to me at the moment is when Masaoka asks what's the appeal of the internet, genuinely not knowing, and then elaborating on exactly why people use it in a rather heavy handed way. Fuck character, the writer needed to lay on some exposition for the audience to illustrate his point.
The mushi and mushishi are secondary to the series. They're just a medium to convey beautiful scenery, a tranquil, rural world, and legends from them.
I don't know why you think a complete and total response to your very own post is "going for red herrings," unless you are admitting retroactively that your post was pointless.
I've already pointed out earlier in the thread that Mushishi only "makes you think" about extremely facile philosophical concepts that almost any other show also discusses at least in passing. Shit like herd mentality, stages of grief, what have you. It's not that deep m8.
Star Trek, on the other hand (which YOU brought up) really was, at least the early shit. It was quite impressive, and from what I understand Gene Roddenberry was quite an interesting man. I haven't seen the later series, so I don't know how it developed over time.
>It's just an inconsistency you have to accept.
Yeah it's called suspension of disbelief, and it's prevalent in every work of fiction. Watch some shonenshit if you want every detail autistically explained to you.
>uses the term moeshit
>thinks psycho pass is even comparable to a masterpiece like GiTS
Jesus fucking Christ im dying of laughter over here. You have supreme shit taste.
I think it's fair to say, given that the show was very realistic, that a government won't implement anything perfectly. Like I said, I don't remember enough to really talk about it, but that stuff didn't bother me. I still think the implications and drawbacks of the system were accurately conveyed throughout the show, even if apparently there were internal inconsistencies.
And let it be known that I'm not knocking Mushishi for any kind of logical/plot inconsistency, but rather that it is consistently uninteresting.
>Your first point is some kind of appeal to the population that simply doesn't fly here. The "consensus" also believes Mushishi is GOAT when it is not.
So basically what you think is universal truth since you're a patrician with a superior intellect and taste?
>I didn't read the manga, nor should reading the manga be any kind of prerequisite or corequisite to watching or critiquing the anime.
Way to miss the point.
Also I am STILL waiting for real arguments as to why Mushishi is bad. You haven't been able to bring up a single one apart from the idiotic one brought up here >>133849082
Keep avoiding this and
>you prove you're shitposting
>you prove you're not very bright
>you prove you're backpedaling hard since you fail to come up with any real arguments
But feel free to actually strengthen your position by actually discussing your original statement you made in OP. Or is backpedaling and red herrings all you have left?
If that's the case I won't bother to waste my time on a juvenile idiot.
The fact that you think GitS is a masterpiece is enough for me to suggest that you need to calm down and have a good look at art on the whole before you come to /a/ again.
GitS and Psycho-Pass are alike because they are both marvelous and realistic looks at a not-to-distant technofuture (and are both incidentally about crime/police).
The pretentious dialogue is a big proportion of all dialogue in Psycho-Pass. You don't have to take it as something the director wanted you to believe, pretentiousness is a big part of the show and so the show is pretentious.
You make an alright argument until when I read that you believe Psycho-Pass is consistent in quality for two seasons, that is a load of bull crap.
The first season was spectacular, in which the characters were portrayed, (where even the villain is one of the most likable, agreeable of the lot even though he was a serial killer) and the protagonist was likable because of her ignorance of how corrupted her ideal government really is.
Now in season two (where some of the writers left) characters are fairly shit with the new girl being a whiny dislikable bitch that everyone wanted to see be gutted, glasses is still a shit, and what's worse is that the main villain of the scenario is so boring compared to the villain in the first season. Also the animation gotten slightly worse in this season also, if you recall mister shaky man.
>It's not that deep m8.
It's not even intended to be deep. If you think it was supposed to be then holy shit you're a retard.
Like I said, you're one of those idiots that think shallow media with hints of poorly thought out depth makes you feel intelligent. Thus you think that any show that doesn't have this is shit, because you can't delude yourself with it.
>This is literally me and what I look like and what I'm doing right now.
Every post you've made sounds over-emotional like you can barely handle the endorphin rush but sure, I definitely believe you are totally calm and collected and not way too invested in arguments about cartoons at all.
You keep making points, letting me respond to them, then claiming I somehow "missed the point", and then even further claim that I have not made any arguments, when I've actually made quite a few by now. For instance, you could take a look at this post:
In which I respond to someone who does a good job accurately summing up the supposed reasons Mushishi is considered a top-tier anime by normalfags and /a/fags alike.
You ignored that post and many others because you'd prefer to throw around terms that are too big for you, like "red herring" or "backpedaling." There has been none, other than I guess the fact that I made an intentionally provocative OP and have since given many calm explanations about the underlying criticisms since then.
The fact remains, the gist of the OP is actually quite valid for the majority of Mushishi episodes (at least in season 1, which is the one I watched before ragequitting). The only thing that isn't quite so valid is that yes, the patients don't ALWAYS die. Why you think that changes the fundamental argument that the show is boring... I will never know.
It seems mostly that you got booty-bothered by the antagonist and let it completely color your view of an excellent show. Maybe the antagonist's mannerisms struck a little too close to home.
I'm not as angry about it as OP, but I also didn't like Mushishi. I dropped it after 6 episodes.
I honestly wanted to like it. People keep treating it like the greatest anime ever made, but it's just comfy. That's all it is. I get that this is apparently enough for most people on this website, considering that "comfy" is the buzzword of the past two years in a row, and maybe I'm just autistic, but I don't get it. How can comfy be the main thing? I just can't grasp my mind around it.
Maybe if I was Japanese, and this was airing on television and I could just randomly tune in to a random episode and half listen to it while napping or eating a snack, but if I sit down and make the active decision to watch an episode of an anime, I want more mental stimulation. Even if it's stupid mental stimulation like a dumb comedy, where it makes me laugh. Mushishi just... numbed me down.
I just can't grasp the concept of "comfy media" that 4chan is seemingly obsessive about.
Psycho-pass can't even compare to the GiTS series, much less the superior movie. They might share some similarities but the execution of those similarities is what matters. Psycho-pass was an absolute disappointment and should never be considered anything more than mediocre.
There's that Argumentum ad Populum again. The difference between "a majority of people" and myself is that in this thread, I have provided quite a few reasons that the consensus view of Mushishi might not be so accurate.
I have done so in RESPONSE to "a majority of people" in this thread who have given the reasons that Mushishi is supposedly a great anime, and for the most part have been shown lacking.
The best remaining reason is that the show is "comfy," because it is (even I'm not denying that), and all I can say to that is that comfiness does not a GOAT anime make.
Well ya FUCKED UP and hopped into a comment chain taking the defense of a dude who made the post that the show WAS pretentious. If all you've been trying to say the whole time is that the antagonist is pretentious, then no one is disagreeing with you.
Your argument is that each ep is too similar, which is also the case with your beloved Psycho-pass.
It's another case of the week show with paper cut-out characters, convoluted story and is massively pretentious.
Sounds about right to me.
I watched an episode then dropped it because I realised that it was very likely that every episode would be similarly dull.
it deserves higher than 1 star because it at least has quite good visual artistry and music even if it is't good as a piece of fiction.
Psycho-Pass didn't disappoint me because I didn't make the mistake of going into it with any expectations. Rather, it surprised me, it amazed me, and it immediately made me realize how long it's been since a show has been able to contest the position GitS holds as an all-time great "real" scifi anime.
The "back up" for my statement is that... I keep replying to your posts, which presumably contain "points," do they not? Every time you make an argument like this, it undermines your very own posts to which I am replying, because you keep suggesting you had nothing of value for me to reply to.
OP here, I was just pretending to be mad, but the show is overrated af by everybody from 4chan to reddit to imgur and I've got no problem calling it "Ok" in the face of these people.
>given that the show was very realistic
My ass it was.
>a government won't implement anything perfectly
Because a crime being committed inside one's home is a completely foreign idea for apparent geniuses. Come on.
>I still think the implications and drawbacks of the system were accurately conveyed throughout the show
PP's a show that raises questions and just leaves them dangling, going from one idea to the next without anything worth saying and then repeating itself. It tries to paint this grey morality, but the system is utter shit as presented while the show tells you of why it's good.
>there were internal inconsistencies.
Why is Akane questioning the Sibyl System the very first day she's on the job, given the background information we have of the setting? What background actually differentiates her? Why wouldn't she get any kind information about her job before going out into the field?
Yeah it's not exactly for everyone. It's one of those shows that's guaranteed to produce a stark contrast in opinions, where people will hate it for the exact same reason that other people love it. But OP can't understand that and that and instead chooses to piss and shit himself until someone tells him he's right.
>psycho-pass is one of the best animes in recent history
My fucking sides.
It's not possible to walk around in public in the PP world without being picked up by Sibyll and "judged". In fact, it seems it wouldn't even be possible to GROW UP without being picked up.
So yes, it would be "impossible" for a crime to be committed inside someone's home were it not for the fact (as shown in PP) that some people are immune to detection, and others can just snap at random.
I remember that much... am I missing something?
Name others. I personally don't think there have been many, but I do believe PP was one.
I agree with the other guy. "It isn't." Some of its characters are, but the "Good guys" certainly aren't, and they are the drivers of the show's morals.
Why is it one of your favorites? Do you just really like being comfy?
I know, right? Story of my fucking life.
My life is shit too, but I don't see how watching a somber show like Mushishi can help with it.
I watch Nichijou to cheer myself up, but I won't really call it "comfy", because it's much more active, with bright colors and rapid-fire gags, but it's cheerful.
The best way I can describe Mushishi is that I feel like I need to "turn my brain off". People usually say this about stupid comedies or action shows, but I feel that it's not true, because you need to be more "alert" to jokes or explosions or whatever. Even if they don't require intellect to understand, they require some attention. But the problem is that I can't turn my brain off for Mushishi, because I need to be on alert to read the subtitles. Again, this is why I feel it works better as something to watch passively if you are fluent in Nip.
season 2 was actually dogshit apart from a handful of episodes. They reused the 'father figure ends up being a bad person' plotline like six or seven times and ginko had too many episodes where he could just swagger in and be a smug moralizing fuck about everything.
Still, season one is really good. All the stories tended to be fairly different from one another, there weren't really any cut and dry 'this is the evil person you should root against' plotlines (apart from MAYBE two episodes) and ginko fails about as often as he succeeds so you're never sure which way the episode will end. If I recall only like three or four people end up dying though? Most of the time the mushi victim lives but is just handicapped in some way.
"Comfy" pretty much means the show is simple, easy to understand, no whiplashing of emotions or exaggerated drama or action. You enjoy the character interactions, scenery, music, get a few laughs out. Then the episode is over, you walk away feeling pretty good about life, even after a long day at work.
Like other genres, there are good iyashikei and forgettable iyashikei, and generally the more popular ones have fantastic execution. Mushishi is different in the regard that its probably has the most depressing atmosphere. A big part of the charm in Mushishi is the setting and OST. Its easy to get immersed. If you for one reason or another can't get immersed into the story, its understandable that you would find it pretty dull.
The same thing happened to me with Aria. I couldn't feel immersed with the setting and the mood, and I got pretty bored of it pretty quickly.
I like settings, but it didn't feel like the setting was really complex (unless there is some huge infodump in episode seven). Just regular rural Japan, but with magic amoebas.
>Do you just really like being comfy?
Actually yeah, it was very soothing for me.
I really like stories relating to "mild" supernatural stuff and nice soundtracks, so yeah.
But seriously I do acknowledge that it isn't for everybody at all.
Or any of my other posts. I like that one because I got all the big "pluses" of Mushishi nailed down in one post.
Please stop being in denial about the ability of a person to criticize a "LE SUBJECTIVE MEDIUM", because it is absolutely possible, and I've done a fair job in criticizing Mushishi as evidenced by those in this thread that have admitted "ok yeah, but at least it's comfy"
This thread makes me want to rewatch mushishi though.
Love the mystical shit that goes on in it. The art, the stories, the OST, ginko himself it all blends to make a great show.
OP by any chance did you try marathoning it? I can see why you'd think it's shit if you tried to marathon it. Doing like two episodes per session is the best way to watch it in my opinion.
No matter how clever you think you are, it's actually embarassing for the rest of us to watch you use this insult in every post in the most autismal attempt to be smug this year.
>criticize a show because you don't like it's genre and it's not what you want it to be.
>People agree that it's not what you want it to be
>LOOK GUYISE THEY AGREE WITH ME THE SHOW IS SHIT xD
I find it hard to care about Character interaction when every episodes have different characters.
I also don't understand why people would enjoy watching something so somber. I like depressing shit like Kurosawa (both of them, really), and even Punpun, where there isn't even a happy ending, because the story is interesting, and depressing stories are relatable for depressed autists like us. But if the show is just passively depressing, then what is the point? It just makes you sad at the most superficial level.
This is the state of /a/. That my posts are considered "shitposts" when they contain complete sentences, sometimes even paragraphs, explaining my arguments. I didn't copy and paste that shit, m8.
There is nothing wrong with that. It could be argued that I could not find myself immersed with Mushishi, so I didn't enjoy it as much as others. However, given that I was told up front by oh-so-many people that this was going to be one of the greatest anime I ever watched, it wasn't hard for me to spot the discrepancy.
Also, I want to remark that in no way did I actually believe those people -- I didn't want to fall into that trap of the guy who thought PP was going to be godlike and disappointed that it wasn't. I'm simply pointing out that there is a discrepancy.
I didn't really try to marathon it. I think that it simply didn't capture my imagination, so unfortunately I "saw it for what it was"
Ironically, I did enjoy Haibane Renmei more than Mushishi, although I will say in the grand scheme of things it ALSO isn't "GOAT". It's just a bit closer to the actual, moderate level of hype it receives.
When people told me mushishi was super mega awesome, I was like oh wow so I can actually learn something from this show and actually take it seriously?
So I proceeded to watch. All of season 1 and half of season 2. Then I ragequit. I have learned nothing and the show literally made me fall asleep numerous times. I thought it would be a gripping emotional tale with good dialogue, themes, and action. I can't believe that i was wrong. I've seen all these themes executed in similar ways before. The dialogue was extremely shallow and not even that smart. Heck, there isn't even a good amount of pseudo or real science to distract myself with. There was no action, just people screwing up from making dumb decisions. Also, these characters are all so monotonous for some reason. They dont get excited for much and their character designs don't look good at all. The only thing I can agree with the people here is that this show is super comfy as in, make me fall asleep.
The show isn't as retarded as many of the shows airing each season but holy crap, this is not anime of the decade stuff.
This guy drank the fucking kool-aid, but he's not saying anything others in the thread haven't already said, and therefore I have already explained why his points don't make Mushishi as good as he thinks it is.
Not him but off the top off my head
Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199
Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin
Kiseijuu: Sei no Kakuritsu
I'd have to go over my list for more. But Psycho-Pass wasn't anything special.
>mfw people on /a/ are coming out of the woodwork and admitting that Mushishi wasn't GOAT
Remember that the next time someone demands it be put on the essentials chart.
> I didn't copy and paste that shit, m8.
You type like your first experience with this site was finding screenshots of /v/ on Funnyjunk a few months ago. You're filthy and gross.
I asked for a list. You keep saying you reply directly to posts but now when people give you something you can't bullshit your way out of try and deflect it by pointing to a posts that doesn't do what was aksed.
Give me a list or you prove you have nothing. Even a pre-schooler can make a basic list.
I like Mushishi because it is sort of like those X-files monster-of-the-week episodes. It is different in many ways of course. I also like that the mushi are not evil but just a part of nature. The stories are also about more about flaws in human nature and the mushi are used as a tool to tell a story.
OP, you made the mistake of arguing against the majority even when they are wrong in an objective sense.
Unless you talk shit about a series that has gone through /a/'s hipster phase (loved and then hated for popularity), you will almost always be outed as a shitposting retard for disagreeing with the majority. See: LoGH for the most prominent example. Countless episodes of mediocre writing and the setting and cast is no different than what you would find in similar anime of the same genre. Despite this, anyone that watched LoGH on this board (or even those that haven't but parrots the opinions of those that have) consider it a patrician anime and a must watch because they invested the time into it and refuse to acknowledge it was not a worthwhile investment. You can tell them the facts but it's become such a mainstay with the tryhards and subsequently the retards that believe those tryhards without watching it, that you'll face opposition either way.
The character interactions are like having a nice chat with someone you just happened to be standing next by. Not exactly emotionally moving, but pleasant nonetheless.
>I also don't understand why people would enjoy watching something so somber.
There's actually a proper term for that, but I can't remember it. Its the same reason why people think Eva or Tex is depressing as shit but also loving it at the same time. I'm not one of those people myself, but I still loved Mushishi. My favorite episode is probably the time traveling one and its arguably the most depressing one.
These are just shitposters. They can't even come with any real arguments as to why it's bad.
If OP isn't a genuine shitposter then he most likely just watched a few eps, found them boring and is not upset that /a/ recommended it to him.
>when they are wrong in an objective sense
I type like someone who has had a lot of practice rustling jimmies, but the unfortunate thing for you is that I also happened to make my argument along the way, and genuine shitposters in this thread couldn't keep up.
Again, this is me: >>133849964
I type mad because it makes other people mad, not because I'm literally mad. Being mad, or sounding mad, has no impact on the efficacy of one's arguments.
You're fucking making me retype shit, then. Ok:
>the characters are very superficial
>the themes of the show are very superficial
As stated, in both cases we're dealing with super common Psych 101 shit like herd mentality/social proof, stages of grief, commitment/attachment, etc.
>it's a collection of folk stories, but folk stories are inherently simplistic and repetitive, so they're great for children, but not so much for me or any of you desu
So what's good about it? It's comfy, the artstyle and music are quite pleasant, but that shit by itself doesn't make it a great or possibly even good anime. That's why I said at one point that if all people can say is "muh music and art," then maybe I should just listen to music and look at paintings rather than watch Mushishi.
Why do you and OP seem to think so much that everyone who likes these things is delusional and is only liking them because /a/ likes it?
Is your opinion the only thing that matters?
Eh, it's a Sunday afternoon and I thought I could do some good for this board.
Well, you'd be surprised to find that Mushishi actually demonstrates that the concept of social proof is true, and a lot of people really do like stuff ONLY as long as others like that same stuff. It's a big topic in psychology.
I like Eva because it has a depressing story, not just a depressive atmosphere.
If Shinji was just constantly depressed, Asuka constantly mean, and Rei constantly emotionless, but we never learned why they are like this, then no one would like it.
Your post are considered shitposts because you talk like a shitposter
The first post starts off with
>No one wants to admit it, so allow me to be the first to say: Mushishi sucks.
And ends with
>(e.g. b-but at least it's not moeshit).
There's no way you're not just trying to get a rile out of posters. Not only that but all your arguments boil down to "Well I get that you like that thing but let me tell you why, in my completely subjective view, that you should actually not like that thing, or like it less." Yeah faggot you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.
Because LoGH is so incredibly average that the fact that it's touted as a masterpiece constantly on this board can only be the result of ignorant anons. Either that or these anons haven't watched enough anime.
I would be, except as stated in that same post I actually made real arguments that mostly stand unanswered (probably because they're correct).
You keep dropping the "subjective" word, when for the most part I and others have shown objectively areas in which Mushishi is deficient by comparison to other shows/stories. It is factually repetitive. It is factually lacking in depth of content (and setting, for that matter). It is factually only good at being comfy, it seems.
>I like Eva because it has a depressing story, not just a depressive atmosphere.
I meant just depressing in any regard, whether its the story or the atmosphere.
But yes, Eva was more focused on the story (while Tex was more atmosphere focused).
No. The OP presents a classic "I don't like it, therefore it's bad" argument, THAT'S why he's being called a shitposter. Saying something is formulaic doesn't make it bad. That's like saying pirates are stupid, therefore every movie about pirates is stupid. Also, the whole "everyone thinks it's a masterpiece and I need to show them the light" attitude is completely misguided. I like Mushishi very much, but for the "right" reasons - and so do most people. We know exactly what it is and why we like it and there's literally nothing wrong with that.
So yes... those were all good at a minimum. I do actually believe Psycho-Pass at LEAST deserves to make that list. I haven't seen the two space-based ones yet, but I certainly didn't think Rainbow was as good as others do. It told a story that needed to be told, but it really dragged from the second they got out of prison. It almost became like The Office with respect to how awkward the interactions between characters became. I appreciated the candid look at an under-discussed period of history, but that's about it.
>Saying something is formulaic doesn't make it bad. That's like saying pirates are stupid, therefore every movie about pirates is stupid.
That is a formal logical fallacy right there. Straight up syllogistic collapse from the outset.
Except OP is putting a large amount of time and effort into his responses, rather than just leaving the thread after posting it. If he's trying to troll, he's being retarded about the whole point of trolling.
Disagree. Some of the background characters were shallow, but the characterization of Psycho Pass on the whole was one of its strengths. The themes were also quite striking, as Minority Report is one of the only other things that has talked about the kind of system described in PP, and PP did a much more engaging job.
>>the characters are very superficial
So because we don't spend extensive time discovering the characters mental issues they're bad. Ok.
>>the themes of the show are very superficial
So yet another comment that can be translated to "it's not deep!". You seem to have big problems understanding that depth doesn't automatically make something better. You don't need to have a convoluted plot with several layers for it to be good.
It entirely depends on what you try to do with said material. In Mushishi's case it's not intended to be deep and it never pretends it is deep either. It is in fact a very straightforward and easy to understand show.
It is about a "cursed" man traveling around the land serving as a mediator between the mystical and the real. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. In theory his adventures would continue until he dies of old age. It doesn't have a deeper meaning or an end goal.
After all, the best part about an adventure is the journey, not the goal.
If something so simple as this escapes you then it's no wonder you couldn't enjoy this show.
OP you can't just come in here and say all your opinions are fact then to anyone who disagrees with you you say they are wrong and that you are right.
Your argument for the show being shallow is that "it's folklore and folklore is for children" which is absurd. Are you a 16 year old who can't enjoy anything unless it's full of deep symbolism, betrayal and a huge overarching story? Can you not just take the show at face value and enjoy the simple themes it presents? I don't know which retard hails mushishi as deep but that guy is an idiot. It's simple and tells simple stories and that's what's great about it. Doesn't try to take it any further than a tale of a guy solving peoples problems.
This thread is a tire fire. But I just wanna see how this turns out. Personally I think both shows are pic related
This is exactly what I'm talking about. The characters are not the point of the show, if you want a character driven show go watch monogatari or something. Mushishi has different priorities and it's obvious you didn't care for it much. Other people like what Mushishi focused on and enjoyed it, it's really that simple. Yeah you can criticize a show for not pandering exclusively to your taste, but in the end nobody gives a shit because people like Mushishi for what it did, and not for what it did not and never wanted to do.
This thread is shit so might as well kill it. remember, I died for your sins
>characterization of Psycho Pass on the whole was one of its strengths
I bet you thought Akane's development of "detective's intuition" was completely natural character progression.
>Gee, Ginoza didn't need glasses
>three immediate replies
Maybe I should have rethought posting a controversial opinion when everyone's riled up by OP. Too late to stop now.
Parasyte had poor fight scenes and except for Tamura's death didn't have many high-tension moments, and Kogami was just more entertaining to me than Shinichi. Aside from that, they had a lot of the same flaws - QUALITY, some preachy bullshit, and in Parasyte's case a bad OST.
Yeah, it's almost like I have valid reasons for what I'm saying, and most people in the thread are not used to dealing with that.
>So because we don't spend extensive time discovering the characters
It doesn't take much time to come to the conclusion that as a matter of fact these characters are walking stereotypes of human behaviors. It's not that the show didn't spend the time showing you, it's that YOU didn't spend the time learning about this stuff outside of class (if you will).
>the best part about an adventure is the journey,
So all things considered, Mushishi didn't make for much of a journey, because he does essentially the same thing in at least 75% of the episodes.
I think that being overtly "deep" would be a good way to make a show bad, but you'd have a hard time finding a really great show that doesn't have unsung depth to it. That's why a lot of people actually strongly dislike the best shows: they miss what's under the surface.
I watch a lot of scifi and a lot of crime/cops shit, and I thought PP did a remarkable job of taking things in a new direction in such a played-out genre.
Indeed, and it isn't even my only complaint. It's just apparently the only one anybody can understand -- not that they actually have, as evidenced by the guy I'm quoting earlier in this reply.
There's not much to get in Mushishi tho and not too much in Psycho Pass either
Mushishi is just enjoying whats going on and melting into warmness while some messages are presented
I've been pretty transparent about which posts are mine. I have diligently replied to as many people as I could, and clearly many of them have re-replied.
I'm sorry that you're more used to people shitting up threads with waifus and umaru. Threads don't have to be that way, and it's possible that this one isn't only because, in actuality, not as many people have seen Mushishi as they'd like you to believe.
>You seem to have big problems understanding that depth doesn't automatically make something better. You don't need to have a convoluted plot with several layers for it to be good.
OP absolutely cannot wrap his brain around this. It's like criticizing mario because it has a shallow story. Nobody plays mario for the fucking story. OP's line of thinking is the exact same as if I were to criticize Mushishi for not having fanservice. Wahh why doesn't this show pander to me and only me, how can other people enjoy things that I don't? That's the only argument he has.
Every single day at least one person makes a blog about their grand discovery of some anime they believe is not as good as a general opinion of it they see around and the thread catches on, make a bet for what will catch on tomorrow
>It doesn't take much time to come to the conclusion that as a matter of fact these characters are walking stereotypes of human behaviors. It's not that the show didn't spend the time showing you, it's that YOU didn't spend the time learning about this stuff outside of class (if you will).
You really shouldn't talk about stereotypes when you praise Psycho pass.
There are very few reoccuring characters in Mushishi. In a way the show isn't even about Ginko. It is not a show about the exploration of characters since it's designed as a show where you constantly meet new characters you will most likely never see again. You don't seem to comprehend countless basic facts about this and similar media. Like someone trying to fit a square block inside of a circle.
>So all things considered, Mushishi didn't make for much of a journey, because he does essentially the same thing in at least 75% of the episodes.
While the overall formula for each episode is similar, the content is not. Same deal with Psycho-pass. It was mostly just a case of the week show. i.e. same shit every episode.
You seem to be a person that has problems keeping your interest unless there's a red thread and a continiously developing story. Meanig it simply wasn't for you.
But basically... so you didn't like it? Big whoop. Get on with your life instead of trying to force your opinions on others as if they were an objective fact when it's clear you're incapable of enjoying this kind of material.
That's a pretty entry-level response to everything I've said about Mushishi.
You and that dude have essentially gotten to this point where you're defending Mushishi from me by taking it as an absolute GIVEN that the show is not very interesting, but somehow, because it is so good at building a comfy atmosphere, it deserves a disproportionate amount of credit with respect to other anime.
Needless to say, other anime have good atmosphere AND good everything else, while Mushishi appears to be good at just one thing. In your own words, perhaps it is the Super Mario Bros. of anime: an overrated platformer that far too many people seem to like by default (almost as if they think they're SUPPOSED to like it).
If you don't like something you don't watch it.
There, problem solved.
I liked Mushishi for its atmosphere, its characters that feel like real people ( not anime stereotypes) the variety of its themes, the peculiar art, the music and the mushis which are ,by the most part ,very alien and inhuman.
Don't forget about the part where they're doing it for the "good," of the board, even though they're crossboarders. And if you disagree with him you're apart of the brainwashed /a/ hivemind. Jesus
It sounds like your understanding of Psycho-Pass was pretty facile (as if you were doing something else while watching it), while your interpretation of Mushishi is a bit too generous. I won't guess why that would be.
You haven't really said anything new at this point. You are adamant that I didn't "understand" what Mushishi was "really about" -- but this whole time I've said it's a genuinely ok show for basically the reasons you've given. Do you disagree?
>That's a pretty entry-level response to everything I've said about Mushishi.
Stop using words you don't know the meaning of just to try and fit in.
It got old years ago when ignorant idiots called japs for weeaboos.
>If you don't like something you don't watch it.
>There, problem solved.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT MUSHISHI IS BORING! DON'T YOU GET IT, YOU'RE WRONG FOR ENJOYING THINGS I DON'T!
>if its not deep, it doesn't deserve to be praised
It means you appear to be a late-joiner to the thread, because your response was not well thought-out and was almost like a cookie-cutter "UGUU~ THIS GUY DISAGREES WITH ME, WHAT SHOULD I SAY?" kind of thing.
You guys act as if I didn't actually watch the show, and somehow missed some big secret.
Good job criticizing my english when you butchered that last sentence the way you did.
OP you're still arguing but you can't even refute the fact that you're looking for something in mushishi which clearly isn't there. Just saying that "oh there's better anime out there" doesn't make mushishi any less great. It's like you're trying to deep sea dive in a swimming pool. Go headfirst then bitch about snapping your neck because it's not deep enough.
I agree it follows the same formula, which can be boring, but what makes the series interesting is the character's reaction to the same circumstance and the artistic flare it has otherwise. It's just another formula for storytelling. It's okay if you don't like it, but that doesn't mean it's bad.
>It means you appear to be a late-joiner to the thread, because your response was not well thought-out and was almost like a cookie-cutter "UGUU~ THIS GUY DISAGREES WITH ME, WHAT SHOULD I SAY?" kind of thing.
That's not what it means.
I remember watching Mushishi in anime club back in college and the only thing I remember liking about it was the OP. The episodes were always about someone having a disease or condition and the MC never did anything about it until he was begged to. And in the end, none of the former episodes were ever mentioned again or they didn't add up to anything, and that's when I got my hatred for episodic anime.
>Just saying that "oh there's better anime out there" doesn't make mushishi any less great
Doesn't it? I don't think I'd ever recommend Mushishi to someone that wanted to watch a great anime.
It's apparent that it's only for someone who really wants "comfiness," which is of dubious value to me, and perhaps dubious value in general, but that isn't really what this thread is about.
I was being inflammatory. I think it's ok, which is of course a valid option when I say something is "not good". It doesn't have to be bad.
>Good job criticizing my english when you butchered that last sentence the way you did.
I'm criticising an idiot for using words he doesn't even understand the meaning of to try and fit in or seem intelligent.
It's common sense to use words you know what they mean only and look up words you don't understand. Well, to people with functioning brains that is. But no we can't insult your patrician level intelligence can we.
>It's like you're trying to deep sea dive in a swimming pool. Go headfirst then bitch about snapping your neck because it's not deep enough.
Well, I'm not the only person in this thread who has agreed that PP was pretty based and did a lot of things well. Weren't you the one making the appeal to popularity earlier in the thread? Consider yourself riposted.
Alright OP, let me try a different tactic because you obviously have brain troubles.
Yes you're completely right about everything, Mushishi has shallow characters, shallow themes, and is a repetitive take on what seems to be "folk tales." You're absolutely correct and people love Mushishi for those same exact reasons.
You need to understand that those things are only considered bad within the context that you frame then in. In your case, all those things are garbage. In my case all those things lead to what I enjoy. For example think about if I were to criticize psycho-pass, your favorite anime. If my criticism was that I didn't like cyberpunk shows and I thought the setting was dumb, would you think that as a valid criticism? No because if you take those things away it wouldn't even be close to the same show, just because I don't like sci-fi shows doesn't mean they shouldn't exist. It's not valid criticism of an aspect of the show, it's criticizing the entire basis, the entire premise the show lies on. I hope that made sense.
>Well, I'm not the only person in this thread who has agreed that PP was pretty based
So basically all the people that think Mushishi is great are wrong but the people that think PP is great are correct? Why? Because of popularity = fact.
So now you're a hypocrite as well.
What other tags do you want to add to your posts? So far you've racked up quite a few.
I'm the guy saying it's better than Parasyte, and from what I can tell the only person aside from you defending it at all, and I'd like you not to associate yourself with me, OP.
>stop liking what I dislike
ebin autism check em
Ah, okay. I really liked it myself, but that's because I tend toward the more artsy side of storytelling, which is really image-oriented and not so much about storytelling as much as it is about the experience. Then again, I enjoy just about any kind of story as long as it's palatable. To each their own.
Jesus, /a/, it's okay to have opinions. If we all agreed with one another nothing would be any fun.
I have not, although I'm suspicious if it would be worth my while, since people can only seem to talk about how comfy it was.
You seem pretty upset about being told that your argument was entry-level.
Here's a deal. You don't fuck up the next /a/ essentials chart by putting Mushishi on it, and I won't make this thread again.
This "argument" holds a lot of water in gaming, but I find it hard to see how much water it really holds when we're talking about something that you just sit and watch for hours and hours on end. For me at least, even being comfy gets old.
Art direction and music are cool, but Mushishi isn't the only anime to have done those things well.
>the ending is always "the patient dies."
I'm going through every episode to refresh my mind and it's pretty much 50/50 on happy/bad ends. Only in the 4th episode the protagonist dies because of a mushi, the first three ones all the protagonists are saved. So I have to ask, did you even watch the series?
The most important message in mushishi is that shit happens, your life may irrevocably change for the worse, but you still go on living. Adapt yourself to match your changing life.
>Here's a deal. You don't fuck up the next /a/ essentials chart by putting Mushishi on it, and I won't make this thread again.
Make sure you don't bring up PP on any essential list then.
I was being facetious, but considering I've provided a lot of reasons Mushishi is pretty average, and myself and others have provided a lot of reasons PP is pretty cool, it would be a bit unwise to suggest this is all a matter of sheer opinion.
Allow me to also point out for the second time that you appear disproportionately upset given the topic at hand.
I already pointed out I was exaggerating for effect, but I ALSO said that regardless of whether the patient dies or not, each episode is STILL painfully repetitive. And that's just one complaint among several that make Mushishi ok rather than good.
Azumanga Daioh was based as fuck, and also hilarious (unlike this show).
>Don't put mushishi on the essential chart because I don't like it
Don't worry anon I'll put both PP1 and 2 in place of mushishi.
>Here's a deal. You don't fuck up the next /a/ essentials chart by putting Mushishi on it, and I won't make this thread again.
Translation: STOP LIKING WHAT I DISLIKE AND I WON'T SHITPOST AGAIN
>You don't fuck up the next /a/ essentials chart by putting Mushishi on it, and I won't make this thread again.
Wow, literally stop liking things I don't like. He's not even trying anymore.
It seems people's opinion on anime is subjective.
I don't think anyone in this thread has made a non-butthurt post explaining why PP was anything less than great.
Ok, that isn't fair, a couple people did, but I didn't find their arguments convincing, and then they stopped posting.
Don't ask me why it seems the majority of this board dislikes PP (especially season 2). I'll wait to see some further reasoning on the subject in a thread that is actually ABOUT PP.
You're still so thoroughly convinced that this is a subjective discussion when it never was to anyone but you. It has been conclusively shown by me and at least a few other people in this thread that Mushishi has genuine flaws that preclude it from being a GOAT in any sense. You chose to ignore those things because you are certain -- absolutely certain -- that it's all just... a matter of opinion.
We have a word for people like that... what was it again, boys? "Pleb"?
I see. You should still give Aria a shot anyways. But you have to ride it to the end because it really finds it's voice in the end. Then if not you can make another thread and attract more people because Aria is beloved here. More than Mushishi.
>but considering I've provided a lot of reasons Mushishi is pretty average
All you've done after tons of shitposts is basically say this
>mushishi is bad because it isn't deep and it's repetitive!
Great, you've listed the subjective reasons YOU didn't like it. Now get on with your life.
If you're delusional enough to think that your opinions are facts then I advice you to seek help.
>Allow me to also point out for the second time that you appear disproportionately upset given the topic at hand.
Are you really resorting to a "u mad" approach? How old are you exactly?
Well whatever, I see no point in wasting time on juveniles with mental issues. Keep shitposting here for a few more hours then.
>I don't think anyone in this thread has made a non-butthurt post explaining why PP was anything less than great.
Let's pretend that's true, you haven't done this very thing for Mushishi.
But hey, we're literally dealing with a 'stop liking what i dislike' clown.
That's not how I recall things going down. I remember one guy who couldn't get over how edgy/pretentious the antagonist was... I remember someone who thought the show's lack of internal consistency (which is a highly dubious claim, by the way) got in the way of the narrative, which I disagree with and stated why. I remember someone attempting to parody my argument against Mushishi by saying PP was formulaic, which it mostly was not, and certainly not to the degree Mushishi is.
Now I presume you'll show me some post making an utterly vapid argument that I somehow overlooked, and demand I reply to it. I'd rather you didn't, because technically speaking, having me bring up PP in the first place was purely an attempted ad hominem attack on my taste, rather than a real attempt to respond to my argument about Mushishi.
This thread IS about Mushishi, in actuality.
Well, you keep acting as if I didn't demonstrate why my "opinions" were valid, but in almost the same breath (in previous posts) you have taken as fact that I am right and that Mushishi's comfiness makes up for it. I find myself unconvinced that you don't therefore see the truth in my words.
Only if they are ;)
Perfectly possible to have atmosphere without bad writing, and I shouldn't be expected to excuse the latter because of the existence of the former.
OP has kept me laughing for the duration of the entire thread. Well done. This level of autism and retardation is a rare thing to behold.
I have done so numerous times, and I've even been forced to explicitly re-type my position (with explanations) by you or someone like you. Not sure what more you want.
It's clear by you calling me a "clown" and likening this thread to a "stop liking what I don't like" meme that you were committed to your stance before you ever clicked the mouse. You seem very sure that you know what went on in this thread, but it's pretty clear you didn't read it.
Like this guy: >>133853341
>demonstrate why my "opinions" were valid
So you're really trying to push that your opinions are universal fact and at the same time try and be taken seriously?
I guess I gave you too much credit. Keep shitposting then, I'm out.
>One anon so assmad that people like Mushishi he makes a shitposting thread about it just to shitpost
>People are replying
Just let it fucking die, no thread is better than a shitposting one.
Oh this will be a good laugh.
except it was through no fault of your own. NHK is about how your shit choices lead to a shit life, but it doesn't seem like shit right now.
mushishi are just a foil for fucking your world up outta nowhere. They cause blindness, deafness, avalanches, droughts, floods, etc.
> I only watch "pretentious" anime for a pretentious person such as myself
If you want to be pretentious OP why don't you just pick up reading classic and post-modern literature. That seems more to your tastes.
Your opinions aren't valid because you're nitpicking an aspect of the show that doesn't try to be anything more than what it is. Your entire argument is that the show being comfy, having a good OST, and good artstyle aren't relevant at all to the show being good and that it needs to be some deep narrative with every episode otherwise it's shit.
And yes OP these are your opinions, no amount of passive aggressive behavior and incessantly saying "but where's the proof?" will change that. I don't care that you don't like mushishi, hell I don't even think it's 10/10, but coming in here to shitpost about how your opinions are correct is dumb.
Psycho pass is bad because Sci-fi is stupid and cyberpunk is dumb. Also Akane is a stupid bitch and I hate her. My opinions are law and anyone who disagrees with me is fucking retarded, nobody is allowed to think this show is good.
This is what your criticism boils down to. Also you're a supreme master and ignoring things that don't coincide with your opinion, only responding to post you can strawman or claim superiority.
Aria has genuine problems regarding its characters, though.
>which is a highly dubious claim, by the way
Yet you couldn't refute, straight up got your facts wrong about the show, and your argument was simply "I disagree and it wasn't a problem to me, I can't remember." Let's not forget the unnatural character progression, the unsubstantiated ideas that merely skim the surface of the questions it raises, the heavy handed nature of the show, and the poorly relieved exposition at the expense of characterization.
I wouldn't say my responses have been particularly autistic. I've simply dispatched with mostly inept "refutations" of my thesis, which I guess to anyone who sees what's happening would be humorous. Not sure which side you're on.
You need not put "universal" in front of it. Facts are facts. What was said about Mushishi is, in fact, true. Even the comfyfags have admitted it when they responded by telling me about the merits of comfiness.
>the show that doesn't try to be anything more than what it is.
Ok, I don't think that aspect of the show is frequently communicated by the people who call it GOAT, or rate it 5/5 or 10/10 on Leddit or what have you, but sure. It is a decidedly "ok" show for that reason.
By pointing out that the sibyll system can detect a person's state outside the home, I more than refuted your pointless concerns about a lack of sibyll access inside the home.
The show was a lot more tight than you think it is. I think you just REALLY don't want it to be as good as it actually was, because that would mean that yes, indeed, we have this decade's GitS on our hands. Get with it the times, grandpa.
I did respond to your shit-tier arguments, m8. You just didn't like the answer -- but nonetheless had no refutation to it.
Nice rebuttal. I seriously hope you're not the same person who asked me to list my complaints for the 3rd straight time, because I'm not doing it again. Read the thread and stop pretending like everything in life is an opinion.
>someone that thinks s2 of psycho pass is a masterpiece calls others stupid for liking mushishi
OP if you think Mushishi is so awful why did you make this thread?
I think Psyco pass is pretty shit but I'm not making threads about how much better Mouryou no Hako, or Kino are better shows. It just comes off as someone being bitter people enjoy shows they don't.
It's not that I think PP taken as a whole is a masterpiece. It's that I don't think GitS is a masterpiece.
I've also already said that, but whatever. You get it.
I don't think it's awful.
>Ok, I don't think that aspect of the show is frequently communicated by the people who call it GOAT
Alright there's no way you aren't just fucking with everyone. It's either that or you are legitimately mentally ill, please seek help and get some medication for your legitimate autism. I'm not even memeing.
>You need not put "universal" in front of it. Facts are facts. What was said about Mushishi is, in fact, true. Even the comfyfags have admitted it when they responded by telling me about the merits of comfiness.
So you're saying it's an objetive fact tha Mushishi is bad and eveyrone that likes it are both stupid and wrong.
However it's a fact that S1-2 of Psycho-pass is amazing and everyone that thinks this are highly sophisitcated and intelligent individuals.
>I think you just REALLY don't want it to be as good as it actually was, because that would mean that yes, indeed, we have this decade's GitS on our hands. Get with it the times, grandpa.
Took the words right out of my mouth OP. Just apply that to mushishi and you've pretty much summed up this thread.
Give Mushishi a number score out of 10. Anything higher than 7 would reflect extremely poorly on you as a person.
Well, not quite. I don't think that's what my arguments in this thread were. Maybe you can read it for me and let me know.
>extremely well thought out analysis
>>OP gives extremely well thought out analysis on why mushishit is bad
You can pick up bits and pieces of his opinions over this +300 shitfest and it's summed up with "it's not deep so it's bad".
No one wants to admit it, so allow me to be the first to say: Bokurano sucks.
It's like a House M.D. where the illness is always robots and the ending is always "the patient dies." Let me describe a Bokurano arc: weeee, there's some faggot bumfuck robot in Japan and someone has gotten sick with a tragic backstory. White floating fuckface shows up, figures out who the pilot is, but there's nothing he can do about it because the person has been completely taken over by and/or become obsessed with their backstory, and if they "cure" the robot they'll die. Then the moralfag kids decide to ignore all of their personal danger, the robot is beaten, and the pilot dies. Woooooow it's soooo fucking goooood.
Why do people like this manga? Because it's "sad"? So is getting drunk while watching /a/ try to justify their life choices. There are very few redeeming qualities to Bokurano other than the far-too-typical list of things that it ISN'T (e.g. b-but at least it's not Meguca).
>>OP gives extremely well thought out analysis on why mushishit is bad
>it's not deep so it's bad
If you think it can be summed up that way, that's on you buddy. I wouldn't recommend committing to that hypothesis in writing, though.
The issue with OP is that he won't admit that it's his opinions. If he did I'd be totally okay with him saying all the things he's saying but since it's somehow a fact because he says so it just comes off as him shitposting.
>By pointing out that the sibyll system can detect a person's state outside the home, I more than refuted your pointless concerns about a lack of sibyll access inside the home.
You're an idiot. The point was the sheer incompetence at hand despite the actual objectives of the system, which you responded with "hey, government ain't perfect." Great rebuttal. You also make it sound like this point was the main contention presented.
>but nonetheless had no refutation to it.
Except I did and you didn't answer. The focus on a killer who goes undetected due to the Sibyl System's blind spots and murdering multiple people totally slipped your mind? Spooky Boogie, bitch.
You're right, it's more like "It doesn't exclusively pander to my specific tastes, so it's bad. Also my opinion is law, if you disagree you're retarded." That about sums it up.
No one wants to admit it, so allow me to be the first to say: Psycho Pass sucks.
It's like a House M.D. where the illness is always mental illness and the ending is always "the patient is a violent criminal and gets killed by law enforcement." Let me describe a Psycho Pass arc: weeee, there's some faggot bumfuck cop in future Japan and someone has gotten sick with a tragic backstory. White floating fuckbrains shows up, figure out who the criminal is, but there's nothing they can do about it because the person has been completely taken over by and/or become obsessed with their backstory, and if they "go outside" they'll die. Then the moralfag kids decide to ignore all of their personal danger, the criminal is shot, and dies. Woooooow it's soooo fucking goooood.
Why do people like this anime? Because it's "deep"? So is getting drunk while watching /a/ try to justify their favorite animes. There are very few redeeming qualities to Psycho Pass other than the far-too-typical list of things that it ISN'T (e.g. b-but at least it's not Ghost in the Shell).
Tip: It's a waste of time trying to talk sense into OP.
He has made it clear several times he's either shitposting or just a massive idiot.
He admitted right here >>133852847 with
>Here's a deal. You don't fuck up the next /a/ essentials chart by putting Mushishi on it, and I won't make this thread again.
that he is of the mind that people shouldn't like what he dislikes. He doesn't find it acceptable that Mushishi is on an essential anime list.
He is most likely some little kid upset he "wasted his time" watching Mushishi, a show /a/ told him was supposed to be good.
So don't waste your time. He's not looking to be convinced, he's only here to scream at /a/ telling them that they're wrong for liking something he didn't.
This is true. Everyone pretty much admits that OP is right in a way and that it's okay for him to not like it for those reasons, because other people like it exactly for those same reasons. But OP is saying that people cannot like what he doesn't. He literally has autism.
I would "admit" that it's my "opinions" if I hadn't provided any reasoning for them. Because I did, they are actual arguments that remain to be refuted.
Rather than refuting them, most people in the thread have actually conceded that they are correct and fallen back to what we'll call the "Comfy Defense": it doesn't matter if the show is repetitive or the writing is banal, because it has nice music and well-drawn background art, so it is comfy.
I have watched both, and House is actually much better than Mushishi. I sold it short to make the joke comparison.
Eh, why bother discussing anything, right?
I used to watch house back when I had cable, but that was a few years ago.
I remember not liking it as much when they rotated the main cast out, I think I liked it more for the characters than the "what caused it" aspect of the show.
Reasoning behind your opinions don't make them facts. I hate idolshit, that doesn't make all idolshit terrible and shallow because I nitpick aspects that aren't related to the show like nico's deep character development.
Also you keep saying that your arguments remain to be refuted and tell people re-read the thread when it's clear you can't do that yourself. People have refuted all this multiple times and you just dismiss it as people saying "hurr you only like comfy!"
>indeed, we have this decade's GitS on our hands
>nico's deep character development
Love Live is a piece of shit, though. Let's be honest.
Well, I wouldn't give my opponents that much credit. A couple of them started off alright in trying to show why Psycho-Pass is not great, but their arguments didn't hold up under scrutiny.
Meanwhile, what I said about Mushishi has more or less gone undisupted all thread because all any of you can say is "MUH OPINIONS" and "MUH STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE," as if that actually counts as a response.
That isn't how argumentation really works, unfortunately.
The eminent difference in writing quality between PP and Mushishi is pretty apparent by the difference between my opening paragraph and this one, desu.
>Reasoning behind your opinions don't make them facts
No, but the fact that no one has refuted the reasoning gives my arguments a pretty good shot at being right.
I think that the real reason they are factual is because I am stating factual things about the show, such as that it is repetitive and that it's vaunted "themes" are really basic Arthur the Aardvark shit.
>It's like a House M.D. where the illness is always mushi and the ending is always "the patient dies.
Not only is Mushishi and House NOTHING alike (so the analogy doesn't even make sense) but he also claims that "the patient always dies" which is factually wrong. This is obvious even in the first couple of episodes where the patients live.
I don't know how anyone can even pretend to take him seriously after this.
>I would "admit" that it's my "opinions" if I hadn't provided any reasoning for them.
So by your logic, your opinions are canonic law just because there is some retarded reason behind you having them. You're not here to have discussion, you're not here to have people change your mind. You just came here to cry.
>The eminent difference in writing quality between PP and Mushishi is pretty apparent by the difference between my opening paragraph and this one, desu.
Sorry, I never watched it.
>all any of you can say is "MUH OPINIONS" and "MUH STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE,"
Oh the ironing
>The eminent difference in writing quality between PP and Mushishi is pretty apparent by the difference between my opening paragraph and this one, desu.
You still have not refuted my argument and therefore my argument is law. Psycho-piss has no cute girls so it's shit. You literally cannot argue that fact so it's absolutely correct.
>The eminent difference in writing quality between PP and Mushishi
You're right, Mushishi isn't filled with holes, inconsistencies and questionable character behaviour.
Also the lack of fanservice really brings Mushishi down.
OP here. Let me take a moment to remind everyone that this thread is not about PP, and by trying to make it about PP, you are attempting to ad hominem my argument about Mushishi. Whether PP is or is not good, and whether I do or do not like PP, does not undermine the simple fact that Mushishi is not GOAT. Stop wasting time.
It was a bit of a joke wasn't it m8? Mushishi is still repetitive as all fuck, so my actual argument doesn't change whether you take the OP strictly at its words or not. Don't get caught up in being rustled.
It's a good show
Based on what
No irony that I'm aware of senpai. Nice rebuttal though.
Pretty easy desu senpai. Cute girls aren't a necessary element to making a story engaging. They're actually more of a gimmick, which is why you will sometimes find people who actively DISAGREE with having cute girls in a story.
But like I said countless times earlier that's nitpicking something that wasn't meant to be particularly deep in the first place.
Stop ignoring all the people who reply to you anon, it makes it easier to have a conversation. It's like talking to a voice recording, you'll never stop saying the same thing. You're not here to discuss this you're here to tell people they're wrong.
>all any of you can say is "MUH OPINIONS" and "MUH STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE,"
That's all you've done
>Pretty easy desu senpai. Cute girls aren't a necessary element to making a story engaging. They're actually more of a gimmick, which is why you will sometimes find people who actively DISAGREE with having cute girls in a story.
Wow the level of Cognative dissonance here is astounding. I cannot even get mad, I just pity you.
>Cute girls aren't a necessary element to making a story engaging. They're actually more of a gimmick, which is why you will sometimes find people who actively DISAGREE with having cute girls in a story.
BUT I THINK THEY'RE NECESSARY AND MY OPINIONS ARE CORRECT, ERGO PP IS MEDIOCRE
Literally your criticism of mushishi there.
Sorry, OP. Mushishi is a high IQ anime, intended for ranges of 125 to 130. Here's some 110 and below anime to watch:
Non Non Biyori
Hold my drink, /a/. I'm taking the bait.
It's not surprising that someone of your mentality wouldn't understand why Mushishi is great, OP; your over-argumentative and giga-autistic fandangling is more telling than you probably know.
Do we know the culprit will be a Mushi? Do we know we'll never see these particular characters again? Do we know Ginko will be doing the exact same thing in two weeks? Is maybe the moral of the story something we already knew? Yes. Maybe we know that. But it doesn't fucking MATTER because those are merely elements of the framework.
And it's not one single thing that makes the Mushishi anime a great work. It's the composition: the culmination of a production team and a director that know exactly what they're doing every step of the way, and know how to enhance the experience of the original manga like I've never seen any other iyashikei do. The sparing, but effective wielding of the soundtrack. The simplistic, yet pain-stakingly animated world. The simple, but so incredibly CONCISE scripting and storyboarding that pulls the episodes in so tightly that you can't believe it's already been 25 minutes by the time the credits start to fade in.
Consider the intrigue you felt in "One-Eyed Fish" when you finally began to learn about Ginko. Consider the creeping horror that accompanied you throughout "The Sound of Rust." Consider the austere sorrow as the camera pans up at the end of "Azure Waters". Then consider how you felt as Ginko turned and walked away like he did so many times before at the end of "Bell Droplets." And knowing that it was over.
But you apparently can't appreciate subtleties like this, OP.You're too angry and your troll mask is strapped on too tightly to appreciate real art like Mushishi.
Also, Psycho-Pass went to shit after S1 and Ubukata is ruining GitS. Shove a dildo in your ass and take a ride in a paint-shaker.
>Cute girls aren't a necessary element to making a story engaging. They're actually more of a gimmick, which is why you will sometimes find people who actively DISAGREE with having cute girls in a story.
Nice, OP is doublethinking too!
No I'm saying it wasn't meant to have super deep narratives or deep stories. If you're looking for that in the show you're obviously going to think it's shit. Why do you think every show needs these things to be good? Something simple just can't be good in your eyes it's ridiculous.
Also nice dubs
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>one of the last posts is OP replying to multiple people
>Cute girls aren't a necessary element to making a story engaging.
You're an idiot, you cannot have an engaging show without cute girls. If you drop that aspect of a show then all you're left with is a steaming pile of shit. You still can't even refute the fact that Psycho-shit doesn't have cute girls and is therefore shit. Psycho-pass is garbage and you agree because you can't refute my opinion, which is now objective law.
>Cute girls aren't a necessary element to making a story engaging
But they are.
Look at high quality anime like K-On and Azumanga Daioh, Ghost in the Shell and Naruto.
They all have one thing in common, which is super cute girls.
Psycho Pass has none, therefore it's garbage.
Next argument please.
The logical conclusion to what you are posting is that you believe that having high quality characters or meaningful themes is a "gimmick".
Good luck with that.
Not an accurate parody of my argument desu
>Mushishi is a high IQ anime
This is the attitude that is explicitly demonstrated to be incorrect by my earlier arguments.
Haven't seen it, but it looks like it would be a funny anime. Maybe I'll watch it and get back to you.
Mate, plenty of people have provided valid reasons arguments against yours, and as many anons have pointed out, most of the reasons why you dislike the show are why some people enjoy it. Just stop acting like your opinions are pure fact, accept that this is not your kind of show and move on with your day man.
>The sparing, but effective wielding of the soundtrack. The simplistic, yet pain-stakingly animated world.
This is the first part of your post that actually describes something that makes the show good, and unsurprisingly you're already making the Comfy Defense.
>The simple, but so incredibly CONCISE scripting
"Simplistic" would be the better word. Very little is said, very little is learned, very little to occupy the brain is provided. So to answer your next statement, usually I can hardly believe it's only been 10 minutes while I'm watching a Mushishi episode.
Some (but not all) of those moments comprised the only moving scenes in the entire series, so I wouldn't consider that a great argument.
>real art like Mushishi
And yet I'm the one being insulted in this thread.
Basically, this show is an attempt to create a second Ghost in the Shell, where every dialogue is supposed to address some really heavy existentialism issues, but the result is definitely weaker and sillier. The GitS cast was all mature and cynical, while the Psycho-pass one is a bunch of psychopaths and girl scouts, too emotional or acting in a way that is highly unfit to their age or line of work.
There is no room for the characters to be anything more than caricatures for the same reason. The criminal cases are stand-alones, so they leave no room to develop a character or theme before they are thrown to the side. You are not supposed to get a clear answer to the moral questions, or even a rightful catharsis to the characters. You are supposed to feel shocked with all that and start thinking yourself where will all that lead. Meaning, it’s the usual Uroboshi style of mentioning something but never elaborating, as means to get an emotional and mental reaction. It’s just cheap and leaves no room for characterization. And it is not even presented so well, since eventually there are several plot holes in the core rules of the show.
As for the concept, The setting is the future, when technology can now measure a person’s stress levels as means to estimate if it’s unstable and violent. Basically you get this numeric scale, if you pass the safety limit you need medical treatment, and if you refuse it or get to danger zones, they send people after you to capture or kill you. The police are using such people with high numbers in their missions, as means to fight fire with fire. And said people are armed with specially designed guns that measure the target and decide the proper course of action. It sure has some very interesting themes regarding morality in it. Here are some I have pinpointed.
- Is it ok to treat someone as a criminal without having committed a crime, just because his “soul” reads negative?
>op doesn't like sweet things but he love bitter
>op eats cake
>op hates sweet things so he says the cake is nasty
>"cake isn't bitter like kale so it's objectivelly shit, stop recommending cake!"
I'm only doing so to indicate that it is possible for a good show to exist, and it is possible for a mediocre show to exist. I'm not really comparing them side-by-side -- only the rest of the thread is doing that because they think it actually counts as making an argument.
I understand you, OP. I live in the far north. We're drowning in comfiness here, so when I watch a show it has to have something a little more exciting than just plain comfy.
- Is it ok to shoot at people just because you are ordered to?
- Won’t a criminal be pushed into doing far more violent actions if he is told he can’t be treated as a citizen anymore?
- Is it ok to treat other people in an inhumane way, as long as you manage to keep your head cool?
- Does life have any significance if it’s devoid of pain and suffering?
And that is pretty much all there is to it. It addresses all its themes in a superficial and pretentious way. Although it does manage to make you wonder a lot about them, it is otherwise not doing anything besides scratching the surface and trying to scare you with gore and mystery.
The setting is dystopian, so nothing is really rosy in it. The society depicted in the show is messed up and the security system is all full of loop holes and things that make no sense. Basically, you see lots of neat stuff regarding “how they work” but very little regarding “why they are as such”. And that is why I never liked Uroboshi’s plot-driven/shock factor overflow stories. Everything may sound nice on paper and shinny on screen but when you try to analyze them, they are all confusing and contradictory. They are never elaborated past the obvious, since as soon as one case is over, so are its themes. I especially don’t like how he never gives free will to his characters and strives mostly to manipulate the emotions of the superficial viewers instead of elaborating upon his concepts. The result is a show full of annoyance and derp moments for not having characters with an actual opinion of the world they are living in. What follows is an analysis of all the interesting stuff you can find in this show and how they fare when analyzed.