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Since Yoko Kanno is pretty much known as a musical plagiarist

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Since Yoko Kanno is pretty much known as a musical plagiarist and thief at this point, why isn't she in jail yet?
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>>133837232
>sending someone to jail for writing music that sounds like yours
This is dumber than going to jail for pirating cartoons.
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Does this mean we should put every LN author in jail too?
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>>133837290
While we're at it, let the rest of the RahXephon staff join Kanno.
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>>133837369
And the evangelion staff too, especially the pretentious hack Annus
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>>133837232
>Since Yoko Kanno is pretty much known as a musical plagiarist and thief
I don't like throwing this around but where did this meme come from anyway.
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what
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>>133837232
>musical plagiarist

kill yourself
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>>133837440
Some of her compositions sound suspiciously a lot like songs released previously by other artists. Just google Yoko Kanno plagiarism and you will find some examples on jewtube
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>giving a fuck about real world
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>>133837713
Oh damn how is she getting away scot free?
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>>133837791
Good question, maybe the plajiarized artists never knew about it, or just didn't care. Guess it helps that she isn't really that well known worlwide
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Yeah, she's not very subtle about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00BJYqkkx9Y
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>>133837232
Because she didn't steal anything. She was "inspired".
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Why did it take until 2011 for Toei to axe Yamamoto and do it with 3 episodes of Kai left?

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14925684
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>>133838149
>171 views
Are you the uploader, anon?
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>>133837764
If you didn't give a fuck you'd be dead right now you little shit.
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>>133837764
/thread
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>>133837713
>Some of her compositions sound suspiciously a lot like songs released previously by other artists.
You mean like every other fucking composer ever?

Jesus fuck, are you retards so detached from reality that you aren't at all aware of how common this happens throughout history in every creative medium?
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>>133838149
I can understand ripping off tracks from other anime and the like, but it takes some balls to plagarize a piece as well-known as He's a Pirate and then hope no one notices.
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>>133838243
It takes very little to stay alive in modern societies.
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>>133838251
>You mean like every other fucking composer ever?

I don't see other composers ripping off one of the most well known Hollywood orchestral pieces in recent years >>133838149

Hell, not even Hollywood music goes to this extent.
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>>133837791
Somebody has to press charges. And everyone in the music industry knows how common this kind of plagiarism is because they've done it themselves.
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>>133838272
>ripping off soundtracks from other anime
>for anime marketed to people who watch anime obsessively
This is a terrible idea.
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>>133838241
It was the only version of it I could find on the Tube that was any decent quality.
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>>133838251
i only make music with an electric drill while heavily drunk

checkmate atheists
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I think it's not entirely the composer's fault. Sometimes directors order them to make "something that sounds like Pirates of Caribbean" etc.
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>>133837232
>Since Yoko Kanno is pretty much known as a musical plagiarist and thief at this point,

wait what?

also she's cute.
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>>133838149
>Woah, a melody using the pirate scale, it sounds familiar, must be a copy!
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>>133838149
That's just one instance. Hell, Iwasaki, who is insane enough to give us something like Rap Opera, plagiarized pretty recently the main theme from a certain other popular movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBXaLp9zbMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0kGAz6HYM8
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>>133838149
For sure, Hans Zimmer never plagiarized anyone. It's not like he's been sued for it or anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFswFI7fqxU
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Whoa, was Yoko Kanno always this cute?
We can't be putting cute girls in jail man, what's wrong with you?

We can dump Sawano there though
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>>133838431
Yeah, no doubt Iwasaki copied Zimmer's arrangement on that one, but the melodies are distinctively his. It also ties really well with his other pieces for Gatchaman S1 like M27.

Kanno's Pirates rip-off sounds like a shitty version of the original with a fraction of the orchestra.
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>>133838490
Hold up, Hans Zimmer didn't write the soundtrack of Pirates. I was confused because the person who did was copying him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vInYMVxYhh4
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>search some shit about her plagiarism
>no one has any accusations to make about Hemisphere
All else is forgiven as long as that's hers.
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>>133838490
Did you seriously just compare some Hollywood movie song to the goddamn Symphony of Planets, some of the most well-known orchestral music ever?
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The funny thing is that all the stuff she's stolen is total shit (both the originals and her versions) while some of her own music is awesome like the Sousei no Aquarion OST.
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>>133838638
I've seen anons claim Where Does This Ocean Go was copied from that one Icelandic woman, and Ocean's really good.
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>>133838612
Not me, the "Holst Foundation".
http://web.archive.org/web/20071230030535/http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/article.asp?ID=695
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>>133838431
I recognized that too and was actually really surprised. Iwasaki never blatantly rips off like that. He's usually "inspired".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtzmOliIos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78wvvIYUABE

But this is the first instance where I see him actually plagiarizing. Still got nothing on Kanno though when it comes to that.
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This is nothing unusual in anime soundtracks.
It's a result of a director saying "I imagine this song would fit this scene, so please make a song that sounds like this song".
If you're well-versed in your music, it's very easy to spot out influences and "rip-offs".
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Fuck all musicians. My ancestors invented all melodies back in stone age, just to get them stolen years later.
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>>133838149
This is the dumbest shit posted all night. Are artists not allowed to adhere to or emulate a style anymore? Fuck, the Beatles and the Beach Boys stole from each other all the fucking time like this and you never heard anyone complaining.
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>>133838720
I don't know about that. From what I've read up, anime composers are usually only given a script and some key images to base off their music off of. The directors rarely ever ask for any specific piece of music. Hell, quite often lots of pieces of music composed aren't even used in the show.
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Someone should sue AliceSoft for ripping off the German national anthem for Rance's theme
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>>133837415

Was this intentionally dumb as fuck?
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>>133838149
Not "You Are A Pirate" instead
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>>133837232
Because she is the richest and most influencial woman in Japan.

Yoko Kanno is just a pseudonim and fake persona for Rumiko Takahashi. She became the richest woman in japan early, and then getting bored with making just manga ventured into other stuff under pseudonims, sometimes hiring actors for public "apperances".

List of her achivements:
Voice Actor as Megumi Hayashibara
Composer as Yoko Kanno
Scriptwriter as Mari Okada
Singer as Maya Sakamoto and Gabriela Robin
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>>133837232
Because as long as Sawano's music isn't recognized as a crime against humanity nobody's interested in minor crimes.
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>>133838818
Considering she tends to work with the same people a lot, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they had a different relationship than most directors and composers.
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>>133838870 (me)
Forgot a >
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>>133838871
Is she also Takeuchi and Togashi?

Also, has "Gabriela Robin" ever sang anything?
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>>133838903
Gabriel Robin is a mystery singer who performs many of Yoko Kanno's songs. She's rumored to be a pseudonym for Kanno. Here's one of her songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJjnbhSTuqQ
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>>133838975
>rumored
It IS Kanno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU35fJNtxp8
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>>133838975
Oh, I knew that, I just thought she was for writing for some reason, guess I was wrong.
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>>133838838
eva is a ripoff of devilman and ideon

everyone knows that
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>>133838709
>>133838431
Iwasaki rips off more than you think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWslBsWPH9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdT7GEhpM9A
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>>133838989
My information was outdated. Thanks for making be fact check.
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At least she is not as bad as Yuki Kajiura, that for years is ripping of herself unable to make anything original or worthy.
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I'm waiting for the day Zun sues Sawano first, or at least for Sawano to write an actually new abd original track for once. I'm so tired of hearing his basically five pieces remixed yearly.
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>>133839023
This, really. Kanno may be ripping off others, but it's thanks to her that I've come to know so many classical and contemporary composers and musicians. I see her as more of a messenger than a composer.

Meanwhile, hacks like Kajiura and Sawano rip themselves off so much that they basically have become black holes at this point: empty and devoid of any substance.
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>>133839071
Sawano on one hand has great talent, on other hand very limited to specific spectre and he litterally does repeat same formula over and over, without shred of originality. Up to German chorals and same beats.

He`s not as bad as Kajiura yet, but getting old fast.
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>>133839078
True connoisseurs listen to Michirui Oshima tracks.
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>>133839014
Those don't sound remotely similar.

Either way, Iwasaki's orchestral compositions are always very unique and distinct. The guy is a composer on par with Joe Hisaishi but has always been pigeonholed to the same old "hip" music like techno and dubstep that he hasn't really had time to properly shine.
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>>133837232
She is a true artist.
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>>133839119
Wrong way to spell Shinkichi Mitsumune
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>>133839119
>>133839171
All I read was "Yoshihisa Hirano"
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>>133839171
>>133839193
Joe Hisaishi niggers.
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Shouldn't Weird Al also be in jail for plagiarism? Or is it okay as long as you do it 'ironically'?
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>>133839153
I really want Iwasaki to do something like Binchou-tan again. Probably my favorite soundtrack right next to Kiki's.

http://216.227.134.162/ost/binchou-tan-soundtrack/aylmrprpmj/10-chiisana-machi-no-shijou-nite.mp3
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>>133839231
Parody protection is a thing in the west. Which is why shit like Scary Movie and SNL still exist.
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>>133839231
he got permission from everyone so its ok i suppose
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>>133839257
But Scary Movie is objectively the best movie to watch while high.
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>>133839245
>Probably my favorite soundtrack right next to Kiki's.

My fucking nigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD1yAEWpzeQ

Binchou tan has a very similar premise to Kiki though, so it would surprise me if Deen told Iwasaki to make the soundtrack sound like Kiki's.
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>implying any of these are close enough to be considered anything more than homages
>implying that, for songs that are made specifically composed for certain media, the experience doesn't completely change with the media it's paired with
>implying originality isn't a fundamentally limited resource
>implying intellectual property as a concept isn't fucking retarded anyway
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>>133839325
It's strange how I don't recall this song ever being used in the movie.
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>>133839293
>DUDE WEED LMAO
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>>133838149
Ahem. 0:49 onwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJdyOO01HFo
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>>133839451
That's clearly a homage though, if you watched F91 you would know exactly why it was used.
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>>133838149
Just for context, what scene in Frontier was this used in?
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>>133839153
>The guy is a composer on par with Joe Hisaishi but has always been pigeonholed to the same old "hip" music like techno and dubstep that he hasn't really had time to properly shine.

It may also be because very rarely does he get the budget for a good orchestra like Hisaishi or Oshima. Even now most of his "orchestral" compositions are done with a synth.
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>>133839576
No, I think like Hisaishi, Iwasaki does best with a smaller orchestra, which is what he typically uses. I actually find his style to be quite similar to Hisaishi, in how he arranges his melodies and how minimalist his instrumentation is. Hisaishi specializes in wonder and nostalgia, Iwasaki specializes in melancholy and hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcaxRGZyWEY

Having a larger orchestra like in Agito didn't feel like it was doing Iwasaki any favors anyway.
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Yamamoto Kenji definitely had a long list of plagiarism in Dragon Ball. He copied Avatar and Terminator like a year after they came out too.
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ITT: idiots who cannot tell "musics that sound close to other musics" and pure plagiarism. Kanno is a pure plagiarist.
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>>133839905
Show the difference.
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>>133839948
Inspired by: >>133838709
Blatant rip-off: >>133838149
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>>133838149
You know, what bothers me about that piece isn't the fact that it's a copy, but that it's a SHITTY copy done with awful synthesizers.
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>>133838149
Why did all the later Pirates movies completely miss why people liked the first?
Protip: It wasn't the supernatural shit they keep amping up with each new one
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Nobody from Hollywood is going to sue some noname monkey from some backwater shithole doing children's cartoons.
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>>133837232
>implying literally everyone doesn't do it

https://youtu.be/Yz1IDmmcetQ
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>>133839398
>implying intellectual property as a concept isn't fucking retarded anyway
It's not as retarded when the "pirate" is selling it and not just distributing it for free. Rip offs are one thing, but with some digital music couldn't you theoretically make the exact same song as someone less famous than you and sell that?
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>>133838149
What are talking about?

They sound similar, but they're not the same piece of music by any means.
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>>133840073
>Why did all the later Pirates movies completely miss why people liked the first?

Considering each one made a shitload of money, I'd say they knew exactly what people liked, even if that did make them shittier movies.
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>>133840181
>What are talking about
'sup Kanno.
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>>133840217
>b-but THEY ARE

Wow, you really showed me, anon.

Do you actually know how music works?
https://youtu.be/5pidokakU4I
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>>133838149
I'd phone it in too if I had to work on Frontier.
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>>133840206
You know what I mean, anon. Don't be that guy.
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>>133839245
>>133839325
>A Town with an Ocean View
>A Town with a Small Market

Oh damn, Iwasaki really was trying to pull a Kiki.
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>>133840164
It depends on what actually transpired. If they're just selling it, then all they're doing is redistributing media that they themselves physically reproduced.

Ask yourself this: If pirates are free to distribute media everywhere for free, then how would they sell it in the first place?

If they're claiming they "created" it (IE actual plagiarism) then they're already guilty for committing impersonation and/or fraud.

In the case of soundtracks for visual media it's pretty much a moot point, since the same song can have a completely different effect when applied in a different scenario. One can make the argument that, artistically, a song applied to a new media is a different work from the song on it's own or in it's original source.

And frankly, that kind of thing is going to happen even with copyright laws anyway.
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Another thread filled with people who have no idea how music or music law work claiming plagiarism because two songs sound similar. Don't you guys think you should know something about music before saying an artist should be thrown in prison?
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>>133840650
Lloyd Webber is a plagiarising hack though.
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Do not bully the Kanno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78IkR5zCpo
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>>133839119
>SnW OST
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>>133839014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gpyAnmI-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmTN6-oIQwQ
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The weeaboos in denial in this thread are really giving me a good time. Keep going guys.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwQ_RWXYFVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWe-ZgjTrYE
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>>133837232
Because every piece of entertainment in the history of the human race is based off of copying and changing and improving from a source of inspiration.

The entire concept of "intellectual property" to begin with is so goddamned asinine and counterproductive that only fucking humans would be dumb enough to actually implement and enforce it.
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>>133841009
shut up china man
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>>133841009
>nly fucking humans would be greedy enough to actually implement and enforce it.
Fixed that for you.
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>>133841009
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>>133841009
fuck off /v/
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For real niggas?
I mean I fell in love with Kanno when I heard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkq8VcxORmM

I even watched all the shows she composed for. Some I had already seen, but not known about.

As a drawfag I can tell you that being inspired by a track and blatantly ripping off is a hard line to paint. Everybody does that shit desu senpaitachi.
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>>133842597

>likes Darker than Black, a mediocre anime put on a pedestal that's marginally better than the sequel everyone shits on, enough to have the bloatgirls release

For real, nigga. We don't expect you to have standards.
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How the fuck is this allowed?
Is creativity just not allowed in Japan?
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>>133837290
might actually improve the quality of the medium if we did that
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>>133844295
It's all korean influence.
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>>133844071
I only kept watching because The preview for the next episode had that song desu
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>>133844295

Yes, nothing is original in Japan. All your Chinese cartoons are rip offs. Your favorite anime is a shit.
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>>133838149
The Frontier soundtrack also ripped off the Stargate theme.
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>Implying anime itself and as an industry isn't a non-stop machine of plagiarism that continually rips off inferior copies of western animation, stories, music and ideas

Anime is trash. Come to /co/ you'll be happier.
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>>133845034
>Anime is trash.
Yes.
>Come to /co/ you'll be happier.
Hahahahahaahahahahahahaha.
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>>133838431
This is obvjectively the most blatant ripopff in this thread. Holy fuck it literally sounds the same, what the hell was he thinking?
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>>133844454
>desu
It keeps getting worse. Just go back to reddit faggot.
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>>133839153
well, they are not similar, they are basically the same, you just deaf
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>>133840909
Trent Reznor is ok with it. He steals music himself and tells if its good its worth stealing. He also encourages fans to pirate his albums.
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Always remember guys: "good artists copy great artists steal" - Hitler
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>>133837232
Is that the Cowboy Bebop lady
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Wolf's Rain's "Face On" is a pretty blatant rip of this: https://youtu.be/C2d3_qbhKBw

Can't even call it a sample.
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Plagiarism thread?
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>>133845034
>Come to /co/ you'll be happier.
Sorry I don't like capeshit
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>>133845034
No, thanks.
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>>133844348
it might end it altogether
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What's the difference between homage and plagiarism?
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>>133845875
Homage is plagiarism you like.
Plagiarism is homage you hate.
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>>133838431
Speaking of crowds and plagiarism, Urobutcher should sue.
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>>133839023
>>133839078

Since self-plagiarism is a thing now, here you go.
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>>133845947
Left one is a cutie. Right one is literal monster.
So I think Urobutcher doesn't have the rights to sue anybody.
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>>133846172
Using the exact same design is grounds for suing.
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>>133846172
>Right one is literal monster.
But if you're brain damaged you can see her as cutie too.
Urobuchi knows his audience well.
>>133846221
I'm sure there's a lot of prior art for droopy dog ear hair.
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>>133845747
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>>133837232
Because stealing arrangements of sounds is not a real thing.
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>>133846271
>I'm sure there's a lot of prior art for droopy dog ear hair.

Not for an exact clone, though.
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>>133837232

It's Yoko, she can do whatever the hell she wants for all I care. She's a musical semen demon.
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>intellectual property
Literally thought policing.
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>>133838505
>50 year old hag
>cute
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>>133845922
Pretty much this, precedence may be important but you don't need all that fluff to enjoy a song. Ownership on a line of composition doesn't mean fuck for something that can be timeless, as well as made irrelevant. Energy to arguing bullshit, what a life.
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So when are they going to pay Pachelbel for everyone that keeps ripping off Canon in D?
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>>133851636
When he starts hiring expensive lawyers.
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>>133837232
>musical plagiarist and thief
Only thing I really know by her is "Inner Universe". It's beautiful. What is it based on?
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>half the thread saying similar sounding songs are plagiarism
>half the thread saying originality is redundant

I'm pretty sure there are legal lines drawn for what is and isn't plagiarism, and you'd have to break down the music note by note to figure it out.
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>>133837232
every musician plagiarizes - can't be helped.
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>>133839451
You are a fucking retard. If it is within the same franchise, it is NOT plagiarism - it is used to set up specific moods as per request of the producer.

So yes, she gets credit for something she didnt' write, but mixed it up enough to remain true to the original AND make it unique enough to be a new piece.

You fucking morons are getting stupider by the day.
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>>133838586
IT's funny - the gladiator bit plagiarizes more than Kanno does.

Also: they are copying a STYLE of music does not mean the notes are the same. else, we wouldn't have 90% of the music we have, in terms of genre...
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>>133839972
Those two songs have completely different melodies. One evokes the feeling of the other, but they are not the same. If you want a blatant rip-off, Mushroom hunting is a better example. Kanno has said that this song was supposed to be an homage, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77HJZTPghQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCnp-ijVx3k
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>>133850495
Shit taste pedo get out.
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>>133837290
Yes.
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>>133852982
>Those two songs have completely different melodies.

No they don't? Even the tempo and pace is identical.
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>>133837290
Add VN to that too. If it means Butcher never gets to write again, I'd be happy with that. Same with all of Type Moon.
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>>133838304
Some western rock band ripped off one of her DtB songs. There was one from S2 as well
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>>133853904
Which band? Which song?
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>>133853644
Listen to He's a Pirate again. It's similar, but different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRh-dzrI4Z4
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>>133852211
Pretty sure the legal line is decided by whoever has more money.
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I am now realizing I'm too musically retarded to tell whether the song is a rip-off or not.
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>Anime nerds finally realize that their low budget cartoons can't fund original compositions.

Wow what a surprise! Even that "masterpiece" known as Evangelion ripped off from the James Bond Soundtrack.
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>>133853904
>Some western rock band ripped off one of her DtB songs
Doubt it. It was probably the other way round.
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>>133853644
It even has a simliar voiced women, who say something related to the tempo of the song.
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>>133840298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM
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>>133839078
>>133839023
Kill yourself.
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>baiting this hard
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>>133839008
And Nausicaa's backstory
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>>133838304
>>133837232
>>133844295
>>133854507


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

Plagiarism is very common in all mediums.
Current Western music is based on plagiarism, by the way.
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>>133854755
Anno was involved deeply in the development of Nausicaa. I think Miyazaki would approve him taking inspiration from it.
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You will now realize you're posting on an image board whose code was directly ripped off from Futaba
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>>133854774
>chord progression = melody
You are so dumb I am not even going to bother.
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>>133854284
Sesshoku, don't remember the band but it was like 2-3 years ago
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>>133854813
whoa
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>>133854813
How is he getting away with this?
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>>133854774
Modern pop music sucks so much. Now, I know why.
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>>133854813
You will now realize Watamote ripped off your embarrassing childhood that you convinced yourself you were popular in
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>>133854507
Whatever happened to Eddie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgPWgw5Te8A
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>>133854795
>Anno was involved deeply in the development of Nausicaa.

Nope. All he did was animated the God Warrior for the movie. Nausicaa is 100% Miyazaki.
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So Turn A Gundam is probably one of Kanno's strongest OSTs, yet I never see what she stole to make it.

Is her strongest work actually original?
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>>133838586
>Hans Zimmer didn't write the soundtrack of Pirates
He wasn't credited as the primary composer but he more or less did.
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Despite the plagiarism, Kanno is still one of the best anime composers, largely because of her original stuff. She has range and writes memorable tunes. Much better than, say, Kajiura, who hasn't moved beyond samey "mood music" for over a decade and a half. Why can't she do shit like this again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0PWCWyB_Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tknlwjx8af8
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>>133852982
This one is probably one of the most cited examples I've seen over the years, but it always seemed like an obvious homage to me.
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>>133844369
Goddamn zainichi
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>>133840693
Again, borrowing a phrase or idea is not plagiarism.
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>>133852982
>>133856024
Ya this is classic homage. They're two totally different melodies but the songs have very similar styles and framings. As soon as you can say "they're two different melodies" then they're two completely different songs. But the fact that they're so stylistically similar (as opposed to substantially similar) is obviously intentional. That's the definition of homage.
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>>133854507
>Even that "masterpiece" known as Evangelion ripped off from the James Bond Soundtrack.
Given the legal battles he fought over the Bond theme, I'm pretty sure John Barry is aware of the difference between homage and plagiarism.
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>>133845947
Urobuchi doesn't own Saya's design you dumb retard.
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People here don't seem to know the difference between blatantly copying and just sounding similar. There is a lot of music out there that sounds similar to one another, but it doesn't mean that they are copying each other.
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>>133855890
Probably because everyone keeps asking for her samey "mood music".
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>>133845829
Anime existed without LNshit for 50 years.
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>>133837232
Can't say much about her music since my knowledge of other styles of music is limited, but she always struck me as having a very fake personality in her interviews, even moreso when she's on camera (her fake high-pitched voice for example, which occasionally cracks).
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>>133845747
This spics art is disgusting anyway, on top of the fact his story is awful it surprises me that he has fans.
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>>133856024
There used to be a series of videos on youtube with examples years ago, but good luck finding them if they even are still up.
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>>133858427
His LN sells very well. Nips love it.
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Did cowboy bebop rip off of anything?
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Here you go : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I
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>>133858652
This should probably be considered just sampling but one I noticed is Midtown by Tom Waits and Bad Dog No Treats.
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>>133859322
>Treats
I mean Biscuits.
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>>133858919
Thanks, retard. There were a few other retards like you in this thread already.
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I always thought this was the most obvious example of Kanno plagiarism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccua7AY87LE
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>>133860193
>stylistically similar
>similar instrumentation
>that's it
You're an idiot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nftxDrStny8
Who gives a shit? This is a masterpiece.
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>>133838638
>The funny thing is that all the stuff she's stolen is total shit (both the originals and her versions) while some of her own music is awesome like the Sousei no Aquarion OST.

That's when she's copying older orchestral pieces. Like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO3zOZUqXCg&t=18m54s
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>>133858427
He's not a spic. He's a hue.
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Artists steal from each other. What a shocking revelation!
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>Imitation is the greatest form of flattery
>Good arttists copy, great artists steal
>Standing on the shoulders of giants
>Nothing new since the epic of gilgamesh
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She's the Anime Industry's Yuzo Koshiro
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>>133839843
This fucker plagiarized German Cult Pop Bands let alone Hollywood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qda4OW8TTpE
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>>133838149
But Pirates ripped off Two Steps from Hell.
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Yuki Kajiura > Yoko Kanno
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>>133862055
>>Yuki Kajiura

Yuki's an argument for plagiarism. Why steal things, when you can recycle the same the shit over and over?
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>>133862055
Kajiura has been stagnating since Fate/Zero.
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>>133838149
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7987524

The Twelve Kingdoms - 十二幻夢曲 /7/24/2002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN8TD-RzoLE

Pirates of the Caribbean - He's a Pirate /Summer/2003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRh-dzrI4Z4
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>>133837232

Who is this semen demon?
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>>133865049
Please, she peaked at .hack//SIGN. Everything since her Tsubasa Chronicle soundtrack has all been the same.
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Here's some more plagiarism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=994OnlTR-oc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTTM7R17ZuI
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I was kind of disappointed when it turned out that the defining music of the Sisters Arc in Railgun S was entirely ripped off another work:

Tatta hitotsu no houhou: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESKga2SMlss
Sunshine (Adagio In D Minor): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXVzg2PiZw

But then I went right back to not caring since it sounds good and I'm morally bankrupt.
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>>133858264
Sometimes I feel like just about every Japanese female is affecting a high-pitch voice because it's expected of them.
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>tfw nobody can brush up dirt on my nigga Susumu Hirasawa
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Everyone knows that Kanno's best works come out of the Seatbelts anyway, so what does it matter?
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>>133866855

You sound like a pure nostalgiafag.
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Can we just jail OP and let this be over with?
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>>133866913
/thread
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Gravity still tears me up to this day.
The orchestration is perfect.
Maaya Sakamoto's vocal is so controlled, without one wasted breath or syllable.
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>>133839513
I think it was Macross Quarter's first deployment against the vajra.
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>>133838341
fuck off masami akita
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>>133837232
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>>133867417
>ripping off cats
And here I thought she couldn't get any worse.
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>>133861248
Nothing new under the sun.
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>>133866973
You're a good man, Anonymous.
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>>133866702
he takes some inspiration from traditional music, like thailandese stuff but he actually gives it his own spin and mixes in a bunch of stuff which makes it original in the end

also i needed excuse to post susumu hirasawa's great stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJY1TomgkBs
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>>133837232
>plagiarist
>implying you know jack shit about musical theory and aren't just shitposting
0/10. Here's your (You).
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>>133837232
She's "known" as a plagiarist by nerdy white supremacists on 4chan and other internet shit holes. They tend to not have much legislative power.
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>>133866493
It's just cliched, not plagiarism. Also Railgun Sisters Arc was tedious chuuni shit and the high regard it's held above the rest is surely some kind mass delusion.
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>>133838149
That sucks so bad, that's the job of a well known composer in nipland?
Damn, at least she could've used decent samples
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>>133845634
i was gutted when i learned that face on was plagiarized, it was my favorite piece in wolfs rain


to be fair i like the violins on face on more than the piano on the original
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here's another reply OP
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Well, on the bright side, she's qualified to compose for Resident Evil now.
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>>133837232
If she goes to jail then every single American film composer should!
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All this talk of sending Yoko Kanno to jail is just giving me boners thinking of how she's going to be raped.
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>>133837232
Kajiura>>>>>Persona Music Director>>>>>Sawano>>>>>>>>>>Kanno
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>>133868706
>inspiration
That's just a nice word for PLAGIARISM.
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>>133866973
That OST is incredible.
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Did she also pirated Cowboy Bebop soundtrack? It will be heartbreaking
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>>133857130
The thing is, Kanno's guilty of both. I remember that one song in SAC that was a blatant rip of Bjork, melodically and stylistically. Everything down to the production style, unabashed biting.
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>>133875760
I've never even listened to Bjork, but I've heard this comparison made enough to remember it. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s806t
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>>133865602
Twelve Kingdoms is older.
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>>133875798
Yeah man, that sounds almost exactly like Hyperballad.

I mean, I've got nothing against sampling and I accept that melodies are gonna sound similar, but straight up biting like that is wack.

>I've never even listened to Bjork

You're missing out, she's a great artist. I'd recommend Homogenic and Post.
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>>133865049
Madoka Rebellion was pretty good. Quite a lot of good tracks.

Kajiura hasn't worked on any soundtracks for more than a year now, although next year will have the Sword Art Online movie.

Also since Sawano keeps on getting mentioned, at least Owari no Seraph is showing a slightly different direction. No German yet.
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>tfw favorite composer too unknown to get posted
>tfw he probably plagiarized a shitton too
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>>133875838
Yeah!
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>>133837232
It's called sampling senpai.
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>>133839163
I love the irony of that specific Picasso quote being attributed to Jobs, self-reference really is the best.
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>>133837232
The most blatant examples of plagiarism she did I can think of has to be these two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foY5Ht-JE00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ9AgSikG7c

https://youtu.be/liYO3LPwlFk?t=1m10s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2d3_qbhKBw

I mean my god, it's the exact same music.
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>>133860193
What song is this supposed to be similar to? Lithium Flower?
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>>133857492
I'm always confused by people complaining about Kajiura or Sawano's music being too samey- they're being hired specifically for that style of music, of course they're not going to diverge from it. It's not like regular commercial music that just aims to get people to like it, composers are paid to make their music fit certain people's idea of what would suit a work, and obviously they'll choose a composer based on their previous work.
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>>133876253
>>tfw
>not posting faces
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>>133854643
Kajiura fags are the worst. They probably like Ali Project too.
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>>133858264
thats because, she is fake >>133838871
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>>133866973
I've always been a fan of Shiro, Long Tail's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhsP2E1b0t4
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>>133838989
Uh the person singing that is Origa. She even does the live version. Robin is Origa singing. Not sure how you can confuse this.
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>>133858652
Outlaw Star
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>>133879277
>tfw
>that feel when
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>>133878080
Was gonna shit on your examples but the OST vids are both blocked in US.
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>>133879494
>be american
>get blocked
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>>133879454
Is it really a rip-off if you did it better?
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>>133879494
Youtube unblocker works for one.
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>>133872849
5girls1fraud?
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>>133838871
You forgot Mai Yamane.
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>>133879450
Origa or Maaya Sakamoto would perform the Live Versions before Kanno came out as Robin. Robin/Kanno sung the original track. Here's an example of Origa singing Moon. She has a much fuller, deeper quality to her voice. Robin usually sounds more childlike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86pErzcjnsI
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>>133878080
Eh, there are still enough differences that it could be a coincidence/homage. It's nowhere near as blatant as Iwasaki's literal copypasta of Time in >>133838431.
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>>133838871
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>>133838431
Just wanted to point out in reply to the YouTube comment from that video, but Hans Zimmer actually did write the score for Blood+.
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>>133878080
>I mean my god, it's the exact same music.
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you don't know anything about music.

I could only listen to the first pair because the second one was blocked for me, but what you're referring to is called a chord progression and it has absolutely no bearing on any kind of legal definition of "plagiarism." What I'm saying is that even though they're basically the exact same chord progression and pattern just in a different key (that's how you explain that by the way), it DOESN'T MATTER. Why doesn't it matter? Because there's no such thing as an original chord progression. And that pattern is just standard. You could find hundreds of other examples of the exact some chord progression if you were so inclined. A chord progression has NO INHERENT VALUE in terms of intellectual property.

Why did you think that you were qualified to throw accusations of plagiarism around? Was there any reason?
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>>133879833
>there are still enough differences that it could be a coincidence/homage
Are you high? It's the exact same music, even more blatant than the example you linked to. In no universe could this be considered a coincidence. You either didn't listen, or you're trolling.
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>>133879859
Holy shit, why?
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>>133879918
It's definitely, one hundred percent, obviously a coincidence. See >>133879910
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>>133879910
This was the first one.
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>>133879910
lol okay bro
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>>133879910
>I could only listen to the first pair because the second one was blocked for me
You're on 4chan and you don't know how proxies work?
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>>133879974
Not that guy but haven't you even seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

There's just not that many chord progressions.
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>>133878080
Okay now I listened to the second one and they're completely different. They're both just simple abstract pieces. They're in similar keys with similar progressions, but that's it. In terms of intellectual property neither of the parts you're referring to could be considered substantive enough to make any kind of claim about, much less when they're as obviously different as these two pieces.
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>>133880112
Craig Armstrong's album As If to Nothing which contained those two songs came out little less than a year before Wolf's Rain started airing. Anyone and everyone can tell that it's an obvious ripoff. It's not healthy living in a state of denial, anon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXBM7tJQ1V4

Just posting for the topic. Yamamoto's songs for the Budokai games are/were pretty good, but you can't deny a lot of them sound like the songs in vid related.
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>>133880088
This is what everybody in this thread fails to understand. If you're actually going to make a claim of "plagiarism" then there are lots of things that have no bearing whatsoever, and for very good reason. Those are things like:

1. Style
2. Instrumentation
3. Chord Progression
4. Textural components

>>133880256
>>133879974
>>133879918
>>133878080
The things that actually matter, that are considered when talking about intellectual property, are:

1. Melody
2. Direct sampling

Why? Because melody is the actual substance of a song. So what constitutes melody? Well, that's a complex topic that you have to have a basic understanding of music theory in order to sort out. And if you understood that much then you wouldn't be in this thread making baseless claims in the first place.

So if you took any random song, say you take Firework by Katy Perry or some shit, and you exactly copy the chord progression, instrumentation, and production style, but write all new melodies, then that's a completely different song. The most important thing of course is that it is definitely NOT plagiarism in any kind of legal sense. The second most important thing is that nobody who knows how songwriting works would actually claim it's a "ripoff." Because when you write a song you write melodies and (sometimes) lyrics. The rest is all just fluff. It doesn't matter. It has no value in terms of "originality."
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>>133880421
Look, I get it, you're talking from a legalistic point of view. However, when people here say plagiarism, they aren't talking about things that would hold up in court. They're talking about how really freaking similar they are. Which they are. If you're gonna tell me that you don't think they sound familiar, then you're fucking lying. The melody is the same, and you know it. Legal definitions aren't perfect either, for example the US legal definition of rape does not include female on male rape.
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>>133880557
>The melody is the same, and you know it.
Sorry bud, you don't know what a melody is.

They do sound similar, you're right. Certain parts of those tracks sound similar to each other. My point is that calling one of them a blatant ripoff of the other based on those superficial similarities belies an ignorance of how songwriting and music actually work. If all you're saying is "these two things sound a lot alike," then who cares? But if you're saying "this artist is doing something that is morally wrong by ripping off this other artist," then you're obviously not qualified to make that distinction.
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>>133880662
Alright, you're clearly fucking with me. No one on this planet is this autistic and delusional.
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>>133880421
While I do not work in the industry, and am therefore not qualified to comment on the veracity of your comments, I find it really sad that you define originality by melody. Melody is by far the easiest and least creative part of writing music. The rest is not all fluff. The rest is the part that's actually musical about music.

There are popular chord progressions and less popular chord progressions, and some are incredibly obvious, and some are obviously more creative. When you write a song that has the same less-popular chord progression as another song, instrument it the same way, mix it in the same way, and change the melody, you are not creating anything original, legal accountability be damned.
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>>133837232
japs plagiarize all of their music.
>yoshis island theme is enya's "anywhere is"
>mario's superstar theme is from Jesus Christ Superstar's "Whats the buzz"
>ocarina of time theme was taken from an obscure japanese song
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>>133880761
>Melody is by far the easiest and least creative part of writing music.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. This statement is so incredibly naive that I don't even know where to begin. Go ask /mu/ or something, I'm not gonna give you a lesson in songwriting.
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>>133880880
You don't need to give me a lesson in songwriting. I'm a classically trained musician and I've studied music theory in school for long enough to be angry at your presumptuous tone. If you think a concept as universal as melody requires some form of "songwriter certification" to understand, you have another thing coming. Sage because this thread is shit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMcqxTIy-74

I like to think that they youtubed Dramatic Music for this.
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>>133881000
You're a classically trained musician and you don't understand that melody, while already extremely important before, only became more and more important since the advent of rock and later modern pop? You don't understand that a song can be a song with only a solo melody but it cannot be a song without any element of melody? These are pretty basic concepts in music theory.
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>>133881068
Yes anon, it's important, but it's simple! innate! Humans have evolved with melody! You yourself say that it's a basic concept in music theory. It's a basic concept because it's so easy to understand, create, mutate.

Why do you think jazz musicians can improvise melodies while half-asleep, but can't improvise original chord progressions to save their life?
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>>133880557
>However, when people here say plagiarism, they aren't talking about things that would hold up in court
What a fucking retarded thread this is then. Who cares if they sound similar unless it's to the point that it's legally plaigiarism? Otherwise it's just a standard example of unoriginal music that was influenced by other songs.

And you shouldn't speak for the entire thread anyway, most people here clearly think plagiarism claims hold up based on how much they sound alike.
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>>133880421
>>133880880
>>133881068
You are the worst shitposter I have seen for quite some time on this site.
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>>133866493
WHAT DO YOU SEE, KANEDA.
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Tell anything you want about Yoko, but there simply isnt other composer atm that makes ost so great fit the narrative of shows they are made for, so great as standalones, and basically defining the shows - since percieving it alone without her ost is impossible.

You can tell anything, name many different names of favorite composers - but who of them did anything even near to her say Zankyou no Terror ost in recent years?

Not a single one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnqSTzq6-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgUXlenodPA
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>>133881151
You're describing why melody is the most important part of music. It's where all the creativity is. Given any standard structure for a song with any standard instrumentation, there is an infinite set of possibilities. Literally anybody could make up a random melody to match. But that melody can range from unlistenable to transcendent. Those jazz artists you're referring to are some of the greatest and most accomplished, respected, and celebrated artists in music. Why can't they come up with an original chord progression? Again, there aren't any. There's not enough room for creativity in trying to come up with new chord progressions. That is not an infinite set of possibilities, it is very finite compared to melody.
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>>133881302
She actually moved to Island and lived there to percieve the atmosphere of desolation, cold and loneliness to write an OST.

"steal" kek...

She creates whole bands for her OSTs, inspires and promotes artists, delves deep into each ones universe (Macross Plus even using drugs).
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>>133881346
It was fucking worth it because VON was fucking amazing.
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>>133881302
inb4 some mongoloid claims she blatantly plagiarized sigur ros because LOL SO SIMILAR
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>>133881378
It's pretty similar to Sigur Rós.
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>>133881412
Only on the most superficial level.
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>>133881434
Uhuh. It's still pretty similar, and she probably drew inspiration from his works.
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>>133881412
>Sigur Rós
>>133881434
It was recorded in Sigur Rós studio in Iceland...

People blaiming Yoko for Plagiatrizing ignore the fact she often works directly with artists.
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>>133881472
Well that explains it.
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>>133881412
>>133881460
>>133881472
>>133881486
You understand that this is why I made that post in the first place, right? Obviously it sounds superficially like sigur ros, at least the first track. Why would I have mentioned them otherwise?
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>>133881533
Because a lot of people who defend Yoko Kanno are zealots who insist that there isn't even the slightest connection to begin with. Take >>133880421 as an example. I love Kanno, but the behavior I see from her fanboys in this thread is honestly just stomach-churningly disgusting.
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>>133881633
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>>133881677
>>133881533
This whole argument has me dying. Just stop trying, anon, this thread is clearly beyond help.
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Fot side by side comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpVJ1cgJkVo
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>>133838149
i always felt that hanz zimmer stole here
https://youtu.be/Ob-CdGmpg_U

but whatever everyone stole from bach and wagner
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>>133881633
>use legal and musical knowledge to explain what is and isn't plagiarism by definition
>'fanboys'

The only zealots in this thread are the people who go crazy with plagiarism accusations based on their impressions rather than logic, that's why you're mad about a reasonable post (which wasn't written by me, by the way). Nobody has denied similarities, they have denied that it would be considered plagiarism.
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>>133881706
Ya I just see these threads full of idiots bandying about words like "plagiarism" that they obviously don't understand and I get all buttmad about it. Really my fault I guess. Whatever, enough shitposting for one night anyway.
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>>133881329
From the way you argue, I suspect your education/career has shaped your brain into a very rigid thinking that music consists of melody written on top of chosen chord progressions. Harmonic progressions are very plentiful, both in rhythm and colour. The control of dissonance and harmony is very complex, and is indeed a world full of the same cardinal infinity as that of melody.

If you studied jazz theory, and really tried to understand those jazz artists that you and I hold in such high regard, you should know about how much jazz composition blurs the lines between chords and melody. I think it's the best abstraction of music that we have, because it generalizes, very mathematically, what music is made of.

Writing music is like writing a computer program. Writing a melody on top of preexisting ideas is writing a javascript app that pulls a bunch of libraries you took from other people. Even when those libraries are public domain, you cannot deny that someone has done the hard work for you.
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>>133881049
That track always brought the hype for me in BC

www.youtube.com.sg/watch?v=XYKUeZQbMF0
I think that is where it's from
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I'm convinced that it's impossible to come up with any original piece of music anymore, someone, somewhere at some point has beaten you to every note & tune.
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>>133837232
Why is this a problem?

Music is art
If you can only use the same instruments, expect that there will be parts of any song that will sound similar with previous works.
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>>133881716

How can people watch this and still think she isn't plagiarizing.
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>>133880767
>yoshis island theme is enya's "anywhere is"
Yoshi's Island came out out in August 1995. That song came out in 4 months later, and the album it was on a month after that. You fucking retard.
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>>133855047
But I was popular!
I had guys asking me out all of the time during high school. People didn't even know I was a faggot back then.
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>>133880767
>>133882999
If you want a real example of Koji Kondo just lifting shit, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOFlsEBkPxs

Came out several years before Super Mario Bros, and this song in particular was written by Dave Grusin, the keyboardist for the band. Why is that relevant? Dave Grusin was the keyboardist for one of Koji Kondo's self-admitted biggest influences, Sadao Watanabe. And considering Koji was a keyboardist and would likely be the most interest in the keyboardists' parts, it seems likely he would've found this album.
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>>133845747
Yeah, look at this bitch plagiarizing slavs, we must sue the company responsible for this anime, right?
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All those people pretending they know a lot about music but don't know shit.

FYI the musical motif theme from Pirates off the Carribbean is more common than people think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgAG3Ex1XWA
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>>133837290
I hope so
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