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Has anime really gotten worse over the years?

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Has anime really gotten worse over the years?
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Why don't you ask Hiro?
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I recently found this video on the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqrpv49rTk0
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Looks like an eroge shop 2bh
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>>133830918
fuck off
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>>133830881

There's been some really good shows this decade and last, it's just that it seems to be picking up in popularity due to streaming services and the more mainstream people usually don't really know their shit so they always have some pretty dire taste and of course the bad anime is the one that usually gets over exposed a lot in the west which is why it might seem terrible to you.
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It's always been shit
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>>133830966
What? I thought it was appropriate. It deals with the mentality change which has been happening for over a decade, and the increased need to put fanservice where it doesn't belong.
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>>133831077
how about you deal with some underwear change you disgusting faggot.
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>>133831124
Well that's awfully presumptuous of you.
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>>133831077
>fanservice where it doesn't belong.
Fuck off
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>>133831255
Not all fanservice is created equal, anon.
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I love this meme.
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>>133830881
Why is there always one nip that catches you taking a picture
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>>133830881
Let me put it this way, anime itself hasn't gotten any worse than it has been in the past 15 years. As a matter of fact it's a net positive better. I'd say all the LN adaptations are the problem with modern anime, but even then we get some okay ones once in a while.

Also god damn I really love nip storefronts. Everything is so neat but there's such an overwhelming amount of merch.
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>>133831732
Nip is a derogatory word and really not suitable for a website like this.
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Not really. Its way easier to produce now and (most of it) looks way better.
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>>133831732
>god damn I really love nip storefronts. Everything is so neat but there's such an overwhelming amount of merch.
Fucking this. I wish my country had stores like that.
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>>133831836
Sorry anon, He meant ching chong.
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>>133831077
>"golden age of anime"
>not 1980-1990
Stopped watching right there
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>>133831732
That's bad if you're like me, someone who can't get out of a store without buying something
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>>133831971
He didn't say what he thought the golden age was. He was just repeating what the general consensus of a lot of people is, and he explained that the reason they think the period from 2000-2008 was the golden age is because that's when most of them were introduced to the medium through the internet.
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Quality of animation has, on average, gone up.

Quality of writing, though has come down on average.
You can see that most anime-original shows are amazing, while LN adaptations are mostly trash.
Yes, there are always exceptions, but they are not the norm.
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>>133830881
Anime was always shit, the difference is that thanks to internet now you know all the seasonal shit japan spouts every year, while you only knew anime from toonami and vhs before.
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>>>/tumblr/
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Why is every anime in a school setting now? Fucking hell, at least we had space back in the day.
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Fafner was the last good anime. 80s was the best decade.

80s > 90s > 00s> 10s
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>>133832165
>now
Watch more anime faggot.
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>>133832165
> now
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>>133832165
School setting is pretty comfy desu
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>>133832188
>>133832227
Yes now. Nearly every anime airing was not set in a school in the 90s, fag. Many were, but it wasn't as much as now. Fucking newfags, I swear.
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>>133832165
>now

>>>/reddit/
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>>133832040
Well, those kids are ignorant. I'd even allow 1990-2000, but if the discussion is about whether or not anime as a whole is getting worse over the years, and you don't even mention the stuff that's actually good, you're missing the point. Even those dumb kids who were introduced to anime at that time have had plenty of time to catch up on some of the classics (Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Nausicaa, Evangelion, etc.)
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>>133831971
The golden age of anime is right now though. More anime is being produced than ever, and the profits are increasing.
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>>133830881
Why can't my country have shops like this? The closet is a gundam shop that sells 10$ HG gundams for 60-80$.
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The people who always repeat these statements obviously never looked at the charts from >5 years ago
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>>133832442
Actually, I agree. But the last 15 years have been almost entirely shit. It's just now starting to get good again. Nothing like 1980-2000 though.
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>>133832279
>>>/reddit/
The amount of space and sci-fi anime has gone down, the amount of school anime has stayed relatively the same in proportion to what is released every year, retard.

>>133832442
Right now is pretty good, but nothing will match the 80s until Japan gets another economic boom.
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>>133832279
Christ, your fucking retarded. Fuck off and whine at reddit, you fag. Nobody cares.
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>>133830881
No, you have.
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>>133830881
There are some good and bad points to it but it's grown in some new ways that it wasn't really like in the 90s. Moe and iyashikei didn't exist back then like they do now and those add new layers and types of entertainment to anime that weren't around in great capacity back then. Moe chars have basically always been around but it was not really focused on or carefully crafted like some of today's shows are.

I mean we've had a handful of series that easily would have been referred to as "golden age" material today -had they released back then-, such as Tatami, Ping Pong, Uchouten etc. We've also had series that wouldn't be favored by the pretentious but still would be very popular no matter when they aired, like SnK, KLK, Psycho Pass (season 1), Steins;Gate etc.

In other words I'm saying that the frequency of "good" anime, in the sense that either it meets criteria for pretentious people or are is irresistable to teens/common Western interests, I guess what I'm trying to say is normalfag-accessible anime, is actually coming out at a rate similar to what it was in the 90s if not higher. Most of the 90s shit seriously sucked ass and we just weren't able to watch all those series as they aired and deride them here like we do with the modern stuff we now have the luxury of being able to live-stream and gets subs of within hours.

The instant accessibility kind of cheapens what was originally kind of a reverent attitude towards anime as being an exotic, mysterious thing that people had to join clubs to swap VHS tapes for to get at fucking all. Even if a show objectively sucked ass many Western fans would have been glad just to have had the opportunity to watch it at all and thus not completely tear it to shreds like people are keen to do in the modern age. I'm not kidding. If those people back then had instant access to the entire spectrum of shows that were airing then maybe they would not have revered anything they could get their hands on.
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>>133832279
>Ninja slayer
>Concrete Revolutio
>Rokka no Yuusha
>OPM
>Iron Blooded Orphans
>Osomatsu-san
>Shirobako
>Comet Lucifer

All from the this year and none of them feature school as the main setting. How about you quit bitching?
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>>133832165
I'm wondering when we have something in college, the one thing Western media keeps raving as better than high school.
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>>133832558
This. A quick and simple look at older anime charts will reveal that there was just as much shit before as there is now. But no one had as much disposable income back then, and the internet was barely even a thing, so only the most popular stuff and/or stuff with highest production value go recognition.

The quality for anime hasn't gone down. There's just a lot more people watching things now, and because of the internet and TV recorders, you can watch anything you want, rather than just the top shows.
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To tell you the truth, I've been watching less and less anime over the years. Infact, I'm not watching anything this season. Everything looked so generic and boring. It's either idols, shounen, harem, and the occasional interesting looking one that ends up just being boring shit. Last things I enjoyed was Nozaki-kun, Death Parade, a few movies. I'm kinda sad.
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>>133832679
Golden Time.
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>>133832531
That's because these are shops for audiences that already know exactly what they want.
They can save money by renting a small floor space and then packing everything tightly together.
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>>133832746
Sounds like a lot of shops in Japan
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/co/ is starting to have more entertaining shows than /a/. I love you guys, but I think it's time I started seeing other boards.

We can still be friends though, right?
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>>133832625
>Even if a show objectively sucked ass many Western fans would have been glad just to have had the opportunity to watch it at all and thus not completely tear it to shreds like people are keen to do in the modern age. I'm not kidding.
This is so true. I miss the exotic feeling, maybe that's why I'm so drawn to the old-school stuff and even untranslated VNs and games so much more than ever nowadays, they still have that mystique because by virtue of them being old and unknown, no one talks about it anymore.

>>133832746
I figured Tokyo and big cities in general having such a high population density meant that these store owners have to make due with what they have because space in general was hard to get and expensive. Japanese efficiency and all that stems from the environment in which they do business.
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>>133832796
/co/ has practically nothing of note/value. If you seriously think this you're not fucking welcome here at all.
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No clue, but the quality of LNs being adapted is a joke. I am sure there is a huge market for wish fulfillment and self-insert fantasy/harems but slow the fuck down with adapting 20+ every year
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>>133832796
Try again after they make another season of Jackie Chan Adventure
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>>133832796
>>133832822
Those are your opinions. We're all part of the same family but we're still have our own ways of looking at things.

>>133832854
The amount of anime being produced each year will never stop increasing.
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>>133832796
Western animation is absolute fucking garbage. It's a sad state of affairs when trash like Steven Universe gets as popular as it has.
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>>133832625
>Iyashikei didn't exist back then

What? Did something like Only Yesterday stop existing?
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>>133832898
At least it's handdrawn and not on rigs. Fucking cheap Flash cartoons.
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>>133832888
>The amount of anime being produced each year will never stop increasing.
What. Are you telling me that anime production will increase exponentially until it consumes the entire universe?
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Early 90s were bad
Mid 90s was decent
Late 90s was good
Early 00's were bad
Mid 00's were good
Late 00's were bad
Early 10's were bad
Mid 10's are decent
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>>133832937
Until Japan dies out due to continually decreasing birth rates.
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>>133832796
Why don't you piss off to >>>/co/ and keep your shit there then.
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>>133832965
This was debunked.
Myth: busted.
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>>133833040
No it hasn't. Birth rates are declining and is going to kill Japan.
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>Sonic X
>remember the US cartoon
>wow, this is the worst thing ever
>watch the Japanese dub for the fun of it
>death, sad music, and cut content EVERYWHERE

Is Sonic X the most censored anime ever made? Even hentai doesn't get censored this badly...
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>>133830881
It's not that it's getting worse but that it has now become a formulaic entertainment. You've come to expect the anime you're gonna watch to have something that would check off the 'average anime' list such as a loli, a normal high school boy, transfer student, club activities, "he's fast", hand holding, fireworks/loud sounds to cover an "I love you" speech, etc etc. It's basically become boring but at the same time animators knew that if they don't pander to audience then they won't succeed so they keep making the same thing and people keep complaining and it becomes a vicious cycle.
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>>133833070
Birthrates have plateaued, not declined in any significant fashion. This is natural for any first world country when the economy is shit. Read some fucking statistics and educate yourself before parroting other people's uneducated ideas.
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>>133833165
>This is natural for any first world country when the economy is shit.
*when there's no or little immigration
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>>133833165
Fuck are you smoking? Their birth rate is something like 1,3. If they don't get more immigration going, then their entire country will die out.
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>>133832898
Is that shit actually popular? I thought it was another meme.
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The nostalgia and biased selection problem is real. People look back at GitS and forget about Metal Fighter Miku.
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>>133833070

The only thing it's going to kill is the ability for the currently employed to pay for the old fucks who no longer work. They're not actually going to die out and disappear.

A low birth rate doesn't mean the population plummets to under 10 million in by 2050.
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If this is quints, we are currently living in the Golden Age of anime right now, and everyone here is just a bunch of spoiled brats who need to stop sitting on a message board 20 hours a day whining about how their free 1080p anime isn't up to their rigid, autistic standards.

If this is off by 1, I'm just a huge faggot.
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>>133833219
>If they don't get more immigration going
I wonder who could possibly want this.
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>>133833121
Funny shit. There are like ten times more new anime produced each year than there are cartoons in the west.

>>133833253
>Metal Fighter Miku
>None of the main cast have giant tits.
Refreshing.
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>>133833349
Nice try faggot.
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>hit the post button
>10 seconds go by, post hasn't went through yet, what the hell
>cancel posting, refresh page, no post to be found, guess the post didn't go through
>come back a couple of minutes later to see what new replies are in the thread
>my post went through anyway even though I canceled it

That's it, I'm so disgusted that I using some proxies and reporting myself, what a complete and utter disaster 4chan is during traffic heavy time. I would expect this garbage on /b/ but not here on /a/.
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>>133833416
hey kog while you're here can you post your autism pyramid
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>>133833416
>making excuses
Not the king of games anymore, are you.
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>>133833416
Stop making excuses
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>>133830881
Anime has gotten much better due to digital color creating softer and fluffier girls. However, it has started to get worse (though still better than pre 2000s) due to 3DCG.

Whether things like "fanservice", "moe", or "haremshit" has gotten better or worse is insignificant compared to how much animation itself has drastically improved thanks to digital technology.
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>>133833339
What, and old people don't deserve help? What an unbelievably selfish attitude. And yes, if the Japanese don't import more foreign work, then they are going to die out and disappear.
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>>133833446
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>>133833481
Digital coloring is finally not shit, but god damn did cel animation look so much better at its best.
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And here's the special edition.

>>133833449
>>133833474

>posts exactly 1 minute apart
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>>133833481
Nigger all I care about is the story, I couldn't care less about fluffy ass bitches.
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>>133833219
It doesn't work that way, birthrate fluctuates depending on the economic situation of the country. Population boomed during the intensive post-war growth and reached level well beyond the natural equilibrium point, it's completely normal for it to be going down now.
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>>133831077
>the increased need to put fanservice where it doesn't belong
Like where? I don't see many serious dramas flashing pantyshots while the protagonist is dying or anything.
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>>133833582
>watching children's cartoons for plot
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>>133833553
where is the polish protitution get?
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>>133833494
>then they are going to die out and disappear
There are a hundred million of them. I guarantee you they are not going to go naturally extinct from not breeding.
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>>133833636

I didn't get 500M.
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>>133833651
Well their state is going to disappear.
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>>133833494
>then they are going to die out and disappear.
They'll let themselves vanish naturally before letting their cultural identity be destroyed by their own hand letting in immigrants. Of course what your saying is bullshit in the first place and it won't destroy them. If you actually read statistics you'd know that the death rate is actually higher and growing compared to the birthrate. >>133833603 is right about the equilibrium, it will ultimately balance out with the country's suicide epidemic and once the elderly who live longer than most other countries die off.
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>>133830881
The industry has been slowly rotating to a different model, because of the economical crisis:
-They seek the otaku, because those are the people that spend money on merchandise and stuff.
-Shows' themes / arguments / character design panders to them, to entice them to spend.
-Shows are adopting a 12 episode model, because that way you risk less money. If it goes well, you can do another season, but you can't get back your money if it doesn't. Spend half, risk half.
-Shows based on their own original content are dissapearing, they now search to use pre-existing content, because that way you are working with a product that has an already existing fanbase. So you risk even less.
-Shows as a product themselves do not report that much income. The money comes from LN, merchandise, DVDs, etc, so, if you release a bigger number of shorter / cheaper shows, you are likely to sell more merchandise, DVDs, etc, because you will be appealing to more groups, a bigger amount of people.


So, in resume: yes, what most people would consider "quality" as gone down (otaku are having a fucking field trip, i'm sure).
But, the industry is doing this because it needs to survive. This is not permanent, at some point things will get better and anime will change again.

>what are you saying, these changes started way before the crisis
I come from a shit country, and the director of one of the biggest banks in this country was warning everyone about the crisis TEN FUCKING YEARS before it really happenned.
They already knew this was coming, they started to work about it before it started to soften the blow.
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>>133833680
Not unless someone starts a serious large-scale war.
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>>133833728
>I fucking hate otakus: the post
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>>133833728
so basically if you want good anime spend money on good anime and if you don't spend money good anime you are going to have to just deal with watching anime that other people spent money so it panders to them even if it isn't good
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>remember making this image years ago
>go into GET folder to find it, it's nowhere
>nowhere in pictures, either
>foolz archive is kil, desu archive doesn't have images
>"I wonder what the odds are of finding this in Google images"
>type in "anime then anime now"
>literally over 100 websites with this picture on it

...huh.
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>>133831836
Would you prefer gook, yellow devil, or bomb watcher?
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>>133833772
>"I wonder what the odds are of finding this in Google images"
that's all I do nowadays, used to have 20 gigabyte reaction image folders too that were a mess and google is like 5 seconds
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>>133833772
hey kog did you know some guy made a 55 page book about you and is selling it on ebay? or that one guy who made an entire tvtropes article about your flash games?
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>>133833728
I really want to go back to the times with 24-30 episode's. Or complete adaptions like soul eater and FMA as example
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>>133833772
You didn't make that you lying son of a bitch.
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>>133833824

Yes. Some place called "GET Chan"
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>>133833481
>due to 3DCG

Speaking of, I miss Etotama. Might be chibi, but the 3DCG in it is godly. S2 never though.
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>>133833765
There's no way around it. Wait until things change for the better. Which is better than what I can say about American animation. It's kind of fucked and it's not as well appreciated. European animation's promising but they still have a long way to go.
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>>133833728
>Shows based on their own original content are dissapearing
This point hurts the most.
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>>133833761
I can guarantee you, that is not the case.
If i ake it sound like that, i apologize.
Everyone is entitled to their hobbies.
>>133833765
As a citizen, you vote with you... Well, vote.
As a consumer, you vote with your wallet.
So, yes, it's basically like you said.
>>133833828
I miss them too, man. 12 episodes always feels too short.

I would also like to point that not every show right now is like this. Next year we are going to have like 5-6 long shows with original content, i think.
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>>133833728
>Shows are adopting a 12 episode model, because that way you risk less money
I sort of wonder about this. I mean, it's obviously part of the reason, but someone had to have realized that a prior point in the fifty years of anime where they didn't use that model.

Also, my impression is that there was always a large portion of anime/manga directed to the diehard fans, it's just that that demographic has evolved. Some of the veterans of the industry make it sound like it was much more stigmatized than it is now.
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>>133833831

I could prove you wrong with a simple reverse archive, but like I said, desu archive hasn't imported the old archive yet.
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>>133833728
good post friend, the economic incentive and risk-benefit were key points

now that anime is going pure normie (re: international streaming market) we're likely to see even more normalizing/round-edges in characterisation and plot-development but perhaps more top-top end budgets.

I see more Slice-of-life/sci-fi hybrids as they appeal to the broadest fan base.
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>>133832796
>Another show that looks anime-esque
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>>133833895
>European animation's promising but they still have a long way to go.
it still only aims for the children + parent audience, so they're not planning on going out of their way I can tell you that
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hey kog how does it feel that i've keked these 9s from you :^)
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>>133833526

And it'll never be coming back unless someone dumps a stupid amount of money into retraining staff and buying obsolete equipment and materials that are no longer produced.

>>133833921

Maybe they did, but up until about the mid 90s, TV anime was designed to generate ad revenue and not necessarily be sold on home video. You barely had any 12 episode shows that weren't OVAs before 1994.
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>>133834000
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>>133834000
I know this is just KoG samefagging, but I'm a sucker for irony like this.
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>>133833772
>anime then
>not milky holmes

>anime now
>milky holmes

What a time to be alive.
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>>133834011
>And it'll never be coming back unless someone dumps a stupid amount of money into retraining staff and buying obsolete equipment and materials that are no longer produced.
I know and it makes me sad. At least I've still got decades of shows to last me.
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>>133833982
that was anime, until they made it 100% CG
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>>133833772
who are those semen demons and what anime are they from?
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>>133834011
So you think what made the difference was that fans deciding not to buy something on video was more likely and more damaging than deciding to stop watching it on TV, and that made producers start moving to twelve-episode to prioritize avoiding losses? That actually makes sense.
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>>133834095

Yes. People bitch about modern anime and have probably only seen Ninja Scroll, Akira, GitS, and Bebop. There's hundreds of pre-1999 shows, OVAs, and movies to explore, and tons more that are still without subs or even raws.
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>>133834011
Eeexactly, that's the thing.
>>133833921
We will be getting some original shows next year, and from what i've seem most look pretty good. Browse arround a bit on youtube and i'm sure you will find some info.
>>133833948
Thanks, kind sir.
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I don't know. A few years ago, I would have said no.

Nowadays with all of these shitty harem/battle LNs flooding the market with the same garbage over and over, and with either predicable non-endings, Yeah, I think things have gotten worse, or at the very least, things have changed. Nobody wants to take a risk on a new IP anymore. I can't imagine something like Eureka Seven showing up again, and that was like what, 48 episodes? Nowadays, a mecha series is lucky to get more than 24

I think it's a really bad sign that male main characters have gotten so bland and tasteless that we don't call them by name anymore, we call them "MC", and the LNs apparently always have this character's true potential locked away, and "he protects his girls" is seen as a plus on a character's field of merits, when that's should be any character with any sort of power should be able to do regardless.

Fuck, can you imagine people saying "Ranma 1/2's" MC? His name is in the title, for fucks sake. I don't know if to be baffled or upset that a lot of characters these days have less going on/are not as well written as characters from a Rumiko series.

I want this fucking harem trend to end, and I want this Invincible Wish-Fulfillment Main Character trend to go with it.
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>>133833986
No one is going that way other than Japan, they are the only ones who would even consider making animation aimed at someone than than kids. I once had hope that 3DCG would allow western studios to reach out to other demographics (with stuff like Reboot for example), but it never came to be.
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>Sonic X is airing
>worst thing ever, nothing can be worse than this!

>then this happens
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>>133834183
Are you implying Boom is bad?
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>>133833617
If anything it's less so. Nowadays you can't even get fanservice unless it's from some low-brow moe series.
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>>133834183
sonic boom killed the shadow the hedgehog character. sonic boom killed the sonic franchise. it's so bad, even mario & sonic at the 2016 olympic games is ignoring it and pretending sonic boom never even happened.
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>>133834150
>I can't imagine something like Eureka Seven showing up again
Good.
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>>133830881
>Has anime really gotten worse over the years?

Degeneracy and faggotry if left unchecked will lead to the decline of the industry.
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>>133833888
That's because they used it as a feature and not just as a way to cut corners. Fucking Pokemon of all things is making good use of CG than most airing shows.
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>>133834132
Not knowing nip is suffering since I'll never be able to watch pic related subbed. But we still do have so much that is actually subbed from the late 20th century that someone probably wouldn't get through all of it for at least a decade or so. I still weep for the death of cel regardless.
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>>133834150

We've kinda had the bland non-committal harem MC template for a long time though. Tenchi and Keiichi pretty much codified it, and the only reason they stand out that much is because they came first and the women carried the series. Mizuhara Makoto doesn't stand out as all.
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>>133834227
/pol/ pls
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>>133830881
Definitely. I'm not even baiting.

2015 was one of the worst years in anime history. Just look at 3x3 threads. Not many people put new shows on their lists.
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>>133834217
I'd say almost anything with a lot of fanservice is going to be moe almost by necessity.
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Anime is inferior to western animation.
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We've seen a huge amount of good anime this decade
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>>133834240

It's taken me years and still have tons of 80s stuff left unseen, like L-Gaim and Dunbine. I'll probably just wait for BDs on those by this point.
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>>133834213

Sonic Boom is trash. It's a bunch of episodic 10-minute 3D skits that have no continuity whatsoever. In one episode, Tails gets a girlfriend. In the next...nothing?

52 episodes, an NO mention of the chaos emeralds AT ALL?!

And to think, we've got at least another 2 years of this.....
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>>133834116
There's not much of a secret here, TV anime has always been aimed at kids, but the last few generations of children lost interest in TV and anime in general, so it wasn't profitable anymore. Rourouni Kenshin used to pull ratings in the 20s back in the day.

The market simply started to focus on Otakus more than before because they were the only ones interested.
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>>133834284
Boo fucking hoo, it's not serious anthropomorphic animals doing serious anthropomorphic animal things.
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Bad CGI is ruining anime.
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>>133834227
That was a fucking secondary animation studio, wasn't it? And almost every creator who says stuff like this, when given the ability to make what they claim to want, produces garbage. Anno complains about the industry while retreading shit he did 20 years ago, Ubukata complains while shitting out Mardock Scramble, etc.
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>>133833526
>god damn did cel animation look so much better at its best
This. I recently started watching the BD release of Outlaw Star and Escaflowne for the first time, and it's gorgeous.
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>>133830881
Purge Light Novels
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>>133834266
2014 was good though and definitely makes up for it.
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Anime is, by technical standards, inferior to western animation.
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>>133834150
>Nowadays, a mecha series is lucky to get more than 24
Jesus man. Mecha was the shit back in the days when Gundam and Transformers were unstoppable.
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>>133834289

And it might also be because we're all men, but it's not just otaku-pandering anymore these days. There's a bunch of otome and fujoshit, because the game is to hit all kinds of people with disposable income.

>>133834335

Those are some of the best examples for TV anime. Though, a good HD restoration of even a cheap 80s TV show can happen. It really makes old stuff look presentable, like trying to watch some shitty old DVDrip of Genma Taisen, and then that BluRay.
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>>133834289
I think you got the wrong post.

>>133834266
2015 was bad. I don't know about in all of anime history, and I doubt you do, either, but it was the worst this decade. But that's one year and really not enough to claim any sort of lasting trend.
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>>133834283
>I'll probably just wait for BDs on those by this point.
This is one thing that still gets me fucking hype. Especially since new merch usually gets made along side it. People can say what they want about old animation, good or bad. But old merch is generally awful compared to what we have today. As a buyfag this decade has seen leaps and bounds in the quality of merchandise without question. Old stuff getting new merchandise is awesome.
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>>133834266
The last show which made it as being one of my top favorites was 2011's Penguindrum.
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>>133834348
Western animation, by technical standards, doesn't exist.
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>>133834225
I don't care if you think it's a good series or not, my point is that it's original, and it's long.

They couldn't be assed to give Buddy Complex a second season, they tossed a movie at it for an ending.
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>>133834224
Sonic Boom was always meant to be its own thing, doubly so now that it failed to take off.
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>You are now reminded that Satoshi Kon is gone
>Sadayuki is still writing with the last contributions being in 2014
>Satoshi and Sadayuki will never team up again
Hold me, /a/nons
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>>133834413
What technical standards? The fuck is that?
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>>133834413
>what is disney At least 10 years back
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>>133834386
>I think you got the wrong post.

No, I was just explaining why anime moved to 12 episodes as the norm.
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>>133834390

More specifically, where's that fucking Megazone 23 BD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcErT0fCWT8
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>>133834457
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WEFIp6GYT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEWWw-NSe4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwYfJQ5MosE
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>>133834284
I wanted to NTR so bad.

I personally do enjoy sonic boom
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>>133834497
uhuh
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>>133834426
Did Buddy Complex even break even on sales? I'm not surprised it didn't get a second season.

Also, we have two three-cour shows airing right now in Ushio to Tora and DRRR, and World Trigger is four, although Toei WSJ adaptations being four-cour isn't that surprising.
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>>133830881
90% of anime is crap.
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>>133834533
Wait, fuck, I forgot which poster I was replying to, you were talking about originals. Ignore that.
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>>133834266
2015 has been terrible, this season in particular
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>>133834497
lol what a fag
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>>133834578
This is the best season of 2015. Two thirds of my top five or ten probably come from this season.
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>>133834578
No, summer was the worst season
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ITT, we bait are hardest to get people to reply to us.
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>>133833895
America's animation industry might as just go full weeb if they want survive and grow.

It's better to look up towards Chinese or Korean animation once they're more developed in about 5 years
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>>133834390

Also, I just wallow in 80sness. I love 80s design trends in terms of characters and mechanics. I've always found the architecture lacking though, Honneamise aside.

For me, BDs can't come fast enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHZs7uPCv7M
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>>133834753
With the direction they're going, with this "CalArts tumblr" bullshit everyone calls it, I'd say it's unlikely. Also, they're weebs in a different sense.

The Chinese are hopeless. The Koreans look promising but their original content is barely discussed here thanks to nobody agreeing where it belongs so I don't know what's happening.
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>>133834274
Western animation are animated in korea.
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>>133834242
Yeah, but the point I was getting at is that they weren't EVERYWHERE. Or at the very least, there are a lot more of them now than before, and I can only think of a handful of LN series where the main character isn't some piece of shit wish-fulfillment character like Sword Art Online.
This guy might be okay if he had some sort of character, but you don't need that anymore. You just need to show that He's The Main Character, Because He's Special for X reason, AND the strongest, and that's all it fucking takes.

That, or he's some big coward in one way or another, or can't ever make up his mind or speak it, but everyone loves him anyway for no good reason, because he's the main character! Don't even get me started on how to have a harem, you can't ever develop a character in a significant way. THat isn't to say that characters HAVE to develop, but it helps when you're trying to tell some sort of story, and harems want that too because they want to pretend that they've got something going on.
The fucking fantasy genre has been held hostage by harems for years now. The only one I can think of is that Seven Sins one, and I have no idea how that's going.

Basically what I'm saying is that I would rather take a generic hero than these guys, I say this because at the very least, you can expect Generic Hero to end up getting put through his paces every now and then. Today, you can literally write scenes where when the overpowered main character is challenged, someone will appear and give him the power to win, and that's called "epic". I mean, if you're going to pull the inner strength thing, fine, but this? This is how you're going to play it out?

I don't come to anime for the highest caliber of writing, but for fuck's sake. If I were to reach my hand into 1995's anime, and look at every series, would I find a scenario like that playing out?
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>>133834810
>Dragonar will never get a sequel
>look up Dragonar on Youtube
>some fucking LN series called itself Dragonar
I'm dying inside.
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>>133834830
>Basically what I'm saying is that I would rather take a generic hero than these guys, I say this because at the very least, you can expect Generic Hero to end up getting put through his paces every now and then. Today, you can literally write scenes where when the overpowered main character is challenged, someone will appear and give him the power to win, and that's called "epic". I mean, if you're going to pull the inner strength thing, fine, but this? This is how you're going to play it out?
This is shounen in a nutshell, right?
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>>133834810
Same, 80s anime just has a charm that cannot be matched. 80s Japan in general has this "sky's the limit" feeling to it. Their music, fashion, everything. It's fascinating.
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>>133834918
The Lost Decade changed everything. People were convinced that Japan was gonna take over the world.
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>>133834918

Booming economies and the ability to say "we can make whatever we want, thanks VHS/LD" will never happen again, aside from ever increasingly hardcore hentai.
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>>133834753
The koreans are coming out with a Noblesse adaptation. It's something I guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KAVXQS73O0

The only korean original animated stuff I watched were Yobi and King of Pigs. I kind of liked the story in King of Pigs but the visuals were low budget cgi.

Yobi's animation was kind of janky but the backgrounds were really good. Kind of made the animation look even worse by comparison, though.
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>>133834918

Once you leave the realm of most sci-fi, mecha, or fantasy nerd anime from the 80s, the general stuff is kinda mundane. Kimagure Orange Road is less fantastic in reality than its OPs. Its OPs are fucking top notch, UY-tier. Going further, stuff like Tokimeki Tonight and Lady Georgie aren't exactly going to enthrall most people.
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The majority of anime uses limited animation. The Japanese use key frames to cut corners so they don't have to anime as much.
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>>133835079
That's alright, I sometimes enjoy some of the more down to earth things.
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>>133834820
The reason I believe China will important to anime is mainly that they have large consumer audience base.
Eg. Look at new Chinese animated films sales its movie industry.


It's blatantly oblivious that the content come from them is terrible for the most part, especially when comes to anime. But they have to most potential to make good animation if they can gather or grow good talent.
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>>133830881
This just sounds like
>hurr why do our generation's music sucks i hope i lived on the 70's/80's/90's instead
>i wish Tupac, Michael Jackson, Fredy Mercury, etc. were still alive durr
Fuck off.
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>>133835195
Well to be fair, modern pop music is absolutely terrible compared to older music.
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>>133835232

>implying

Bieber is better than both Prince and Jackson
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>>133835232
I dunno. You find gems here and there but it's incredibly hard.
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>>133835232
Search harder faggot.
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>>133835322
said no one ever
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>>133834997
Naver finally making a move. Holy shit I didn't expect them do this so soon.

I wonder what studio is animating that OVA?
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>>133835232

>>>/r/lewronggeneration
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Back in my day, subarashi meant something
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>>133835322
Michael Jackson is better than Bieber.

Michael Jackson will be remembered for the rest of time.
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>>133830881

I don't think it has. There are still too many good shows and not enough time to watch them all. Objectively I think animation has trade offs. Computer assisted animation doesn't have the style of hand drawn, but cg has dramatically improved and cg anime like arpeggio and sidonia look great. Character goods are much higher quality than they used to be. I can't say I have ever disliked the medium at different points in time.
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>>133834830
> You just need to show that He's The Main Character, Because He's Special for X reason, AND the strongest
Maybe it's because my main experience with fantasy growing up was YA, but that doesn't really seem unusual to me.
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>>133835432
>cg anime like arpeggio and sidonia look great
No they don't, you fucking faggot.
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>>133835195
I wish I were born ten years earlier so I'd have been watching anime when Nujabes were still alive. Does that make me a wrong generation faggot?
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>>133835380
I already forgot about that faggot desu
The day he died was pretty interesting though
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>>133835432
Does anyone else actually like the way some early digital stuff like Blue Submarine looks better than the way it looks now?
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>>133835432
>arpeggio and sidonia
shit examples you should have used Expelled from Paradise
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>>133831255
You fuck off, asshat
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>>133835484

How about you explain instead of acting like a faggot? CG keeps getting better and doesn't stand out as much as it used to. 100% CG shows don't clash and they imitate anime pretty well, especially with facial expressions. You can't seriously be implying that CG looked better in the past. Have you watched anything recently with CG, like Fafner? You hardly even notice it anymore. CG doesn't mean trash animation like Unicorn and Origin.
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>>133835232
Lmao let me guess, you listen to Led Zepplin and pink floyd?
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>>133835606
It doesn't matter if CG has gotten better. Shows like Sidonia are still painful to look at.
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>>133835606
It's still uncanny valley as fuck compared to what we're used to. Just because it's not as shit as it used to be doesn't mean that it's not still shit. The only time it actually works nowadays and is not visually disgusting to the eyes is with mecha. I'll take pic related with the occasional QUALITY moments over CGI garbage any day.
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>>133835547

I haven't watched that yet so I can't compare.

>>133835563

I watched this as well, I was amazed at the variety of facial expressions they had for angela. The arhan combat was also fluid. I'm still not sure why people criticized it so heavily, I thought it was one of urobutcher's less pretentious and more meaningful works.

>>133835659

How? I thought the character animation was stiff, but everything else was fine. Backgrounds weren't cg btw.
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>>133835709
holy crap that webm makes my dick rock hard
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>>133835709

Cherrypicked examples are hardly relevant. Most mecha anime never had the budget to be of any decent quality, let alone having consistent quality over the length of a 25-50 episode series. This inconsistency isn't just an "occasional" moment. It has lasting effects on fight choreography and complexity of action. It's similar to how genres with inaction like slice of life grew alongside the cost of animation. CG isn't nearly as uncanny as it used to be. In some cases I almost thought it was actual animation.

Yes, in a utopia with no scarcity, everything would be ultra detailed and precisely hand drawn. But that is hardly ideal since such a situation cannot exist. CG is not a shit quality alternative. I say why not both, but you're being a purist for no good reason.
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>>133835888
>Most mecha anime never had the budget to be of any decent quality
Oh God, the sliding characters in that one anime.
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>>133835888
>CG is not a shit quality alternative
The day CG becomes commonplace in mecha shows is the day I stop watching mecha.
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No, but I'm perfectly happy to see how things will continue changing on in future decades.

>>133834997
Animation in Leafie: A Hen into the Wild was pretty good from what I remember. Story was good too.
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>>133835888
I know it's a cherry picked example. But having seen a ton of mecha anime, you way overstate the effect of QUALITY and off model scenes, and yes I'm talking about TV anime. Sure, shows like MJP look good, but I'll take even TV anime-level animation over CGI like Arpeggio and Sidonia. With actual characters it is no contest.

And Sidonia deserved way better than being full CGI, fuck that shit.
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>>133835709
wat show dis
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>>133835322
Cool story asswipe
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>>133835888
Sidonia looks awful though. You can't mimic 2D. CGI is something to be hidden and disguised. Hollywood never learnt that and now everything looks like videogames.
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>>133834997
I really don't what webtoons to be the thing that blows the industry up. That's like starting anime off with WN adaptations.
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>>133835955

Well that means you fucked off nearly a decade ago because fafner's cg is so good that you hardly even noticed it.

>>133835971

Sidonia deserved to be animated. Expensive non cg animation would kill any chance of an adaptation. With what they had, cg worked well. Gardes didn't stand out, their movements were fluid, and the fights were intense. Technology is all about relativism. To some people, 70s anime looks like shit. In the 70s, nothing looked better. I'm not so petty as to avoid good content because humans aren't perfect.
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>>133835955
Is this a joke?
>>
The good shows are remembered and the shit shows are forgotten. No one would remember absolute garbage like Chargeman Ken or Musashi Gundoh if it wasn't for their meme status.

Anime is just pumped out at a much faster rate than they used to so obviously there's more shitty shows. Except now toy commercials are replaced with LN commercials. However, that doesn't mean there stopped being good shows, there's still plenty of shit worth watching.
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>>133831732
>even then we get some okay ones once in a while.
>Also god damn I really love nip storefronts. Everything is so neat but there's such an overwhelming amount of merch.

Tell me about it when I first walked into Gamers, Melonbooks, etc for the first time I was like "this is neat as fuck"
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>>133836225
I like it when they get creative
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>>133836203
This a crabstick thread now?
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>>133830881
Just look at the pic and you will find the answer.
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Off the top of my head, Madoka, Uchouten Kazoku, and Tatami Galaxy are from this decade, and I'd personally rank them as high as anything from the past decades. The hard 12 episode limit is troubling, but each of those shows really uses each episode effectively. There's a nice efficiency to them that I appreciate.
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>>133836431
>madoka
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>>133835563
expelled looks cheesier than sidonia IMO
its only dat body that won you over
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>>133836561
Oh God it was an amazing body
And I was thinking I could never get that distracted by fanservice in an anime.
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>>133836657
man i almost turned it off as soon as she started arguing with Baws-council because i could definitely see where it was going

glad i stayed for the ride
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>>133835617
What's wrong with Pink Floyd?
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>>133836795
Nothing, some of these faggots just have a knee-jerk reaction to anyone who likes "dadrock". I'm not going to say rock and the other music of that era is the best shit ever for music, but when people are defending modern pop music of all shit you know they're just contrarian shitposters because hating the
>lewronggeneration

crowd is too irresistible to pass up. It's like how we shit on MAL entry level faggots. Entry level shows themselves need not be bad just because they are entry level, but the fanbase hanging around it who never broaden their horizons sure is.
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>>133836933
All I can say: "Wish You Were Here" is a pretty great album.

The typical trash you hear on the radio nowdays is unbearable.
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>>133834115
The one on the right is a literal semen demon.
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>>133837009
All I can say is Meddle was better.
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>>133831255
>hurp derp muh edgy high test durrrrrrr
>>133831971
>10 second attention span, insecure and easily offended.
The YTer later explained how ironic and unlikely that popular opinion was, and why. If anon wasn't such a retarded faggot, he could have learned something.
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>>133836203
>Anime is just pumped out at a much faster rate than they used to so obviously there's more shitty shows.
And for some reason less good shows.
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>>133837617
You can't prove that tho.
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>>133837759
Unique original shows like Lain or Texhnolyze don't exist anymore. The best shows like Ping Pong or Mushishi are adaptations.
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>>133832796
Is Animaniacs back from the grave yet?
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>>133837835
Why do you need original shows tho?
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>>133832735
Sure, there is also Hen Zemi, I still like to see more of it.
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>>133833219
Schlomo pls.
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>>133837520
>The YTer
Just say it's you and you were trying to promote your channel.
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>>133837835
I long for Abe as well. At least we can always count on Hox for manga.

>>133838011
https://soundcloud.com/groundislava/girl-behind-the-glass-ft-rare-times-1
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>>133837900
What else are you going to tell people to watch when they accuse you of watching nothing but bug eyed pedophile cartons, if there actually IS nothing but bug eyed pedophile cartoons?
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>>133837835
I'd say something like Space Dandy is unique and it's an original as well.
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>>133832964
Awful list. Mid 00s were shit aside from 2007. Early 10s and 90s were good. Early 00s were decent.
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>>133832625
>It's all accessibility related circumstances (i.e. nostalgia goggles)

I think the argument for sociological, economic, and technological-production factors is quite a bit stronger
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>>133830881
If you're into moe and homolust, no.
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When is OP even comparing it to?

Are these not good enough?

Shirobako
Symphogear
JJBA
Yahari
Fate (UFOtable)
Chu2
One Punch Man
Monogatari
Saki
Genshiken
Uchouten Kazoku
Tatami Galaxy
Milky Holmes
Seitokai Yakuindomo
Yuru Yuri
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>>133838127
one meme man and memebako are shit tho.

>Fate (UFOtable)
Wish-fulfillment shounen trash.
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>>133837835
>unique original shows like these two shows five years apart from the same team that's now retired don't exist anymore
Wow, what great evidence that anime has declined.
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>>133832625
I'd take 90s bad shows over modern ones any day.
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>>133830881
why can't you form your own opinion?
are you a sheep?
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>>133838168
I'm 99% sure you haven't seen bad 90s shows, since most of them aren't subbed.
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>>133838197
Most doesn't mean all. Also i did not seen most bad modern shows as well.
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>>133838127
When you subtract comedy shows, where character development practically doesn't exist, the list shortens quickly.

And even then fsn is pretty silly with its school setting.
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>>133838189
That just looks like a common way to start a discussion here.
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All I know is that this year was an extremely shit year for anime.
Just the absolute worst.
The best of a season is merely okay
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>>133830881
No, it's just you got worse to watch anime, it's all your fault, anime is always a good thing
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>>133836431

Tatami is great, but the others aren't.

>>133838064

How? S1 also sucked.
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>>133838061
It would be satisfying to see people like you gunned down.
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>>133838432
I think 2012 was worse.
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>>133838585
>Nichibros
>Uchuu Kyodai
>Fate Zero s2
>Hyouka
>Shinsekai Yori
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>>133830881
kill yourself you fagg
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>>133838585
2012 had 2199, which outclasses everything this year.
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>>133838585
At least 2012 had Psychopass and Shinsekai Yori.
Even with their quality and pacing issues they are better than this years shit.
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>>133838459
Never mentioned anything about being good, just original and unique, which Space Dandy is. Season 2 is actually good though.
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>>133832898
Well, they have rick and morty, which is better than 99.99% of anime.
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>>133839026
Is Rick and Morty the shit where they traveled into the guy's stomach to see an amusement park? That was only slightly funnier than that Captain Osmosis cartoon from the 2000s.
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>>133839059
rick and morty is being hailed as a godsend by a ton of my friends including all the weirdos, which is usually a sign that it is 10/10 quality, but the normies overlapped the weirdos on rating Bojack horseman, which is total and irredeemable garbage for self-aware degenerates. There is no humor in the show.
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>>133838858

>pyschopass
>good

l
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a
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>>133838151
Your post is meme. Back to irc for you.
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>>133839026
>rick and morty
sup reddit
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>>133832796
Now that's just rich anon.
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>>133830976
I agree as far as the West goes, but in all fairness it's Japan's shit taste that makes producers of anime go for safe tacky bets .
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>>133836305
In a photo of a game store about a decade ago?
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>>133832715
Death parade was shit though.
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>>133835322
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>>133830881
Yes.
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>>133830881
Yes
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>>133830881

Moe and fanservice always existed
So no
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>>133830881
No, it's just shitty nostalgia, when you start something at first you are amazed by it because it's something new and different, with time you start to notice its defects and it loses part of its appeal. Also complaining about moe and fanservice is stupid, I'd like to remind you that the most popular shows nowadays are shitty shonens like OP and Naruto or edgy shit like Tokyo Ghoul or SNK.
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>it's a VN/LN adaptation
Dropped on sight

>not watching ONLY originals and manga adaptations
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>>133843595

The approach to it was completly different tough. Their shows weren't focused around it. Action shows had fanservice accidentally rather than purely for peeping.
Moe was primarily found in shows for little girls or some shows just had female characters that were charming for audience.

On an avergae that doesn't old anime better than new stuff or anything.
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