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Don't see this show being discussed much on /a/ anymore outside of webm threads. Strange considering how much it was loved when it aired.

Just rewatched it for the first time recently. The show is still fantastic without a doubt, but I'm still not as in love with the finale as everybody else seemed to be when it aired. I'm not quite sure why that is, but I guess I was expecting a lot more answers than we actually got.

It felt throughout the series that everything was building towards a definite conclusion where all the loose threads from the 12 episodes would be tied up. And while most indeed were, the ending was still very open-ended and there was much left unanswered.

Anybody else feel that way about it?
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What went unanswered that you thought should have been answered?
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At least the episode 4 fight was amazing though.
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>>133814201
/a/ will probably point out that I missed explanations for all this somehow, but here goes:

>what exactly is the nature of the shared history Houou and Emonzaemon?
>why does Princess Hitei not give a shit about whether Shikizaki's plan comes to fruition or not?
>why exactly did the rebellion fail when there was every indication that it should have succeeded?
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>>133814440
I watched Katanagatari about a year after it aired, and I was convinced the batch torrent I had downloaded was missing an episode or scenes when I reached the end of episode 4 without seeing that fight.

Like, why hype up Sabi up to the heavens only to have him killed offscreen? I know the question has been asked before, but it remains unanswered.

Also, Hitei a best.
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>>133814563
>what exactly is the nature of the shared history Houou and Emonzaemon?
Former ninja bros. Don't think they said anything more than that.
>why does Princess Hitei not give a shit about whether Shikizaki's plan comes to fruition or not?
She had a twisted personality and liked when things didn't go to plan. That's why she wanted to change history but would have been fine had her plan failed.
>why exactly did the rebellion fail when there was every indication that it should have succeeded?
Leader was just replaced by one of his family who ran shit the same way and so nothing changed. The only people who were doing anything that could change anything in the end was Shichika and Hitei; Shichika only cared about avenging Cheerio and Hitei didn't care about anything other than just fucking with stuff.
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>>133814563

It's been a while since I've watched it but

>opposing ninja clans, Emonzaemon is the last surviving member of his clan
>cause she's the best
>the point of the series was that revenge never ends up right
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>>133814121
>I don't see a 4 year old show discussed as much as it was when it aired
Gee I wonder why. And Katanagatari still has threads pretty often considering it's 4 years old.
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>>133814757
>Former ninja bros. Don't think they said anything more than that.
But weren't they from rival villages? Also, how had Emonzaemon lived for so long?

>She had a twisted personality and liked when things didn't go to plan
I gathered that, but it seemed rather weak explanation for her simply becoming disinterested in what had been so far portrayed as her goal.

>Leader was just replaced by one of his family who ran shit the same way and so nothing changed.
I was talking about the original rebellion.
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>>133814880
>original rebellion
Because Shichika's dad killed the leader of the rebellion.
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>>133814819
>And Katanagatari still has threads pretty often considering it's 4 years old.
I haven't seen once since about July. Also, the show is 5 years old now.

>>133814808
>cause she's the best
Good taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRgf4Hsf6r4
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>>133814940
Not that guy, but was it ever explained why Shichika's dad killed the leader of the rebellion? Long time since I've watched the show.
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>>133814121
Why are her eyes egg yolks?
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>>133815050
>her
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>>133815050

Cause he got his brains scrambled.
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Katanagatari was pretty good, but the highlight was watching Pengin die like a little bitch, I hated him.
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>>133815218
>I hated him
Why? I really liked him, and found his death scene to be pretty brutal all things considered.
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>>133814709
Because that was how the story was written though I guess animefags had it worst since of course that all episode preview was entirely anime original, nothing like that was in the LN.

The point of episode 4 was supposed to be about how everyone thought it was going to be about Sabi who up until then was the biggest threat but instead it showed who was actually the biggest threat, Nanami.
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>>133815043
As far as I know there was nothing complicated about that, Shichika's dad worked for the Shogun so of course he was sent after the rebels.
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>>133815539
>Shichika's dad worked for the Shogun so of course he was sent after the rebels.
Fuck, I completely got the wrong end of the stick in that case. I was convinced that Shichika's dad had been fighting for the rebellion and had for some reason turned on Togame's father.
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>>133815495
>The point of episode 4 was supposed to be about how everyone thought it was going to be about Sabi who up until then was the biggest threat but instead it showed who was actually the biggest threat, Nanami.
Yeah, that was a great twist to be fair. But the fact that most people were sitting on the edge of their seats for the entire episode waiting for Sabi to arrive sorta detracted from it if you as me.
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>>133814121
what bothered me the most about the ending is how insignificant it felt. the overpowered guy just killed all the enemies and it was obvious from the start that he'd come out victorious. it was just tedious to watch, fight after fight, the outcome already clear, the fights not really all too interesting.

so many characters were killed off and some of those I really liked. in those cases I could overlook how boring the fights were. but when you barely know a character and just kill it off in an uninteresting way, it felt meaningless.
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>>133815114
underrated post
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I fucking adore the fact that the last sword was just a pair of guns.
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>>133815769
>but when you barely know a character and just kill it off in an uninteresting way, it felt meaningless.
Very true. Like, I get what they were going for with Shichika's terminator-esque climb through the castle, but it just came across as an over-elaborate explanation for the fact that all the swords are now broken. It was cool, sure. But with the exception of the Emonzaemon fight, it all lacked any real relevance to the plot.

>>133815729
*ask me
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Post best girls.
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>>133815729

It sets up how the series would fuck with expectations though. Like the ending.
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>>133815910
Flaming guns at that.

Made sense though - within the context of how Shikizaki acquired his designs for the swords.

Did Ento Ju actually have any special characteristics (other than never having to be reloaded)?
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>>133816081
>Did Ento Ju actually have any special characteristics?
It did something weird when it was used to kill Pengin, but I've never figured out what.
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>>133816040
I'd put the dojo bitch over the gorrila loli.

And the maiden milf should be higher too
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>>133816055
Post more gifs

especially any shichika ones if you have any
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>>133816136
I was debating that myself, she is a good girl.
Drunk slut a shit.
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>>133816262
>slut
you take that back
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>>133816262
>I was debating that myself, she is a good girl.
Why wouldn't she be?
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>>133816040
Undisputed champion, coming through.
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>>133816182
Only got webms
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>>133816315
Snow loli is a good girl too.
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>>133815910
If Shizaki Kiki really went into the future he should have brought the nazi space magic gun into fruition.
Who needs a pair of pistols when you got an experimental rifle firing caseless ammo.
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>>133814121
Maniwa Pengin a bitch
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>>133816632
>caseless ammo.
For what purpose?
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>>133816632

Entou Jyuu don't ever seem to need to be reloaded though.
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>>133816802
Didn't Emonzaemon do something special with it too when he killed Pengin though?
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>>133816878

I don't remember the specifics and I can't check at the moment but didn't he just ricochet shots?
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>>133816774
Saves weight and development costs, as you don't need a case made of steel or brass to hold the boolit and primer and gunpowder.
Also, since the whole thing is used up, you don't need a mechanism such as an extractor, further simplifying the operation.
It sounds good in theory but hasn't been perfected yet.
>tl;dr it's from the future.

>>133816802
Then neither would this rifle.
Besides, you CAN put a bayonet on it.
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>>133816878
>>133816934
Yeah he just used ricochet shots. The point was that Penguin's ability should have made projectiles useless against him but against future tech that ability was useless.
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>>133816934
But how would that alone defeat Pengin's ninpou?

>>133817070
>The point was that Penguin's ability should have made projectiles useless against him but against future tech that ability was useless.
But why did his power work when he was fired on directly? What difference does the ricochet make?
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>>133817038
>Saves weight and development costs, as you don't need a case made of steel or brass to hold the boolit and primer and gunpowder.
Where are the explosives to fire the bullet stored then?
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Was the snow loli really the weakest of her clan ? How come her clan got destroyed ?
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>>133814880
>what exactly is the nature of the shared history Houou and Emonzaemon?

This was probably going to be explained in Maniwagatari but nisio has yet to finish it.
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>>133816774
No need for ejection. So you get a faster rate of fire.
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>>133817217
>Maniwagatari
Wait a minute, didn't that initially release in 2008? How is it not finished yet?

>>133817161
>How come her clan got destroyed ?
Because it was attacked by the most powerful force in all of Katanagatari; Nanami.
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>>133817157
Here's the cool part, You use the propellant as the case.
Shape the explosives into the form of a cartridge, recess a hole in it for your bullet, and put it in.

In pic related, the top half is caseless and the bottom are normal cartridges.
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>>133817105
Perhaps he has to be the target. But that seems all the more unlucky honestly
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>>133817157
Binded by kraut space magic
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How come guns are so dangerous ? Shichika beat a guy that can hit at the speed of light.
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>>133817393
>gets wet
>doesn't fire
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>>133817393
>Shape the explosives into the form of a cartridge, recess a hole in it for your bullet, and put it in.
That's sounds like an expensive manufacturing process.

Also, is it not gonna cause issues in the firing chamber when the bullet is practically surrounded by explosives?
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>>133817105

Pengin's power is luck.
But unlike the materials that were used to make the house, he has to die at some point.
His "not dying luck" is less than the other things that get hit, so he ends up taking the bullets instead.
Instead of destroying the metal and wood holding the house together, he is destroyed, because his "not dying luck" runs out faster.

At least that's how it makes sense to me.
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>>133815218
>>133815320
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>>133817606
>Instead of destroying the metal and wood holding the house together, he is destroyed, because his "not dying luck" runs out faster.
Christ almighty is that contrived. But it does make sense within the context of what Emonzaemon said.

But why didn't the bullets hit Emonzaemon before hitting Pengin then?
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I never got the "why doesn't /a/ talk about this show" meme. If you want /a/ to talk about a show keep on posting new threads until one sticks.
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>>133817713

He's firing away from himself, and has some idea what the trajectory is too.

He isn't relying on luck, but on speed and/or being in the right place at the right time.
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>>133817807
>If you want /a/ to talk about a show keep on posting new threads until one sticks.
This one appears to have stuck so far at least.

>>133817844
I guess that makes sense. Pity Pengin had to die like that though.
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>>133817542
Shush, we're talking about my fantasies here.

>>133817600
>Also, is it not gonna cause issues in the firing chamber when the bullet is practically surrounded by explosives?
No, but if the chamber does get hot enough, say after going on full auto for a while, the cartridges may prematurely detonate when they come in contact with a hot chamber.

The design is flawed, but it's cool as fuck and is something that may be revisited in the future.
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>>133817713

It fits the theme of the show, humans are nothing compared to greater forces, like time and history.
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>>133817951
Good point. I'm really bad at picking up on themes like that.

>>133817921
What happens to the primer and plastic cap components once the bullet is fired?
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>>133817606
this only applies to projectiles though, doesn't it? So if Enmonzaemon would've had a normal Pengin woud've died an even more miserable death?
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>>133818292
*a normal sword
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>>133818247
The primer is an explosive, so it gets detonated to cause the primary propellant to go off.
As for the plastic, I'm not sure.
It may leave the barrel after the bullet like a wad would leave after the shot or slug came out of the barrel of a shotgun.
Or, there might not be any plastic at all.
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>>133818750
>Or, there might not be any plastic at all.
There is according to wikipedia entry on the G11.
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>>133818292
>>133818339
That's a good point.

Like, Houou evidently had no problem maiming him with Mekki.
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>>133818781
Then you should know that it "all gets used up in one go"
Sorry I can't be more of a help to you, anon.
You should look into the LSAT, as it is the next generation of caseless firearms.
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>>133814563
>>133814709
From past Katanagatari threads, apparently Houou stole Emonzaemon's face, which makes him able to use Emonzaemon's techniques and explains why he uses a mask.
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>>133819085
>apparently Houou stole Emonzaemon's face
That was mean. Why did he do it?

Also, how the fuck did Emonzaemon live so long?
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>all the swords are just made with future blacksmithing techniques
>"lol stupid magic dosn't exist"
>said the guy that can look into the future
>meanwhile some ninja guy can turn off gravity and another can possess others bodies, while the stronges of them have lived for well over 200 years
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>>133819206
Houou's ability is to get body parts from others, which makes him get their abilities.
He even get another arm from that other ninja.
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>>133819274
I was referring to Emonzaemon, not Houou. It's made pretty clear in the show how Houou has lasted so long.
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>>133819350
I mixed them up, my bad.
Who knows, magic probably. But from what I remember the only ones that lived for long were that purple ninja girl and Houou.
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>>133819498
>But from what I remember the only ones that lived for long were that purple ninja girl and Houou.
It's heavily implied that Emonzaemon is as old as Houou though.
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>>133814121

Still loved, just nothing left to talk about.
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>>133819601
>just nothing left to talk about.
That hasn't stopped incessant threads about older less interesting shows.
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>>133818934
then why the fuck was he considered so powerful, when he was only strong under very specific circumstances
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RIP Maniwanis. RIP Nanami.
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>>133819716
Your guess is as good as mine, anon. Like many things in Katanagatari, Pengin was hyped up big-time, and then unceremoniously eliminated

>>133819757
Nanami deserved what she got.
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>>133815681
How clear this sort of important plot point is depends on the quality of the subtitles. I got shitty ones so that plot point confused me when the actual words being spoken were very direct.
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>>133819801
>Nanami deserved what she got.
Yeah, but she was still the best girl. And I think that she was pretty happy in her final moments.

I really liked the way she was, too strong to even die.
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>>133819813
Yep, very much so. I forget what I used the first time I watched Katanagatari, but on the rewatch I used the Deadfish release (forget whose subs they actually used) and I definitely felt like I wasn't getting a full understanding of important details. But it was the torrent with the best seed rate on Nyaa, so I didn't have much choice.
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>>133816390
Christ, I really wanted to see how Sabi fought with such a delicate sword.
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>>133819246
Clairvoyance future or otherwise is a psuedo-science based on psychic powers, not magic.

In a setting where it is actually real it would be studied in MIT rather than a coven of witches or whatever.
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>>133820658
>In a setting where it is actually real it would be studied in MIT rather than a coven of witches or whatever.
>not having a college-funded coven of witches
What sort of shit-tier college did you go to?
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>>133820658
The story is way older than universities. It'd probably be regarded as witchcraft in yurop as well.
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Which country was going to invade and destroy Japan?
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>>133820986
UK, most likely.
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>>133820986
Italy
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>>133816366
Regal taste there, anon.
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Was killing the Shogun too far?

Seems pretty dishonorable desu.
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>>133821528
>Was killing the Shogun too far?
Well, it certainly achieved absolutely nothing.

Why Shichika even felt the need to do it after not being killed by Emonzaemon is beyond me.
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Has the production team of this show done anything else? Besides Monogatari on the Nisio Isin side. I haven't been able to enjoy anything since I watched this recently.
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>>133821950
>Why Shichika even felt the need to do it after not being killed by Emonzaemon is beyond me.
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https://youtu.be/1274PRWHt4w
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>>133824038

>>133815001
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Can Nisioisin ever make a story where the characters do not rant endlessly about something totally inconsequential? Is he autistic?
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>>133815769
I think most of the appeal of the ending fights was seeing the MC let loose fit the first time.
I found out pretty cathartic .
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>>133821528
>Was killing the Shogun too far?
It's what togame wanted so that's what happened.
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>>133815769
The point was to show that without the rules Togame placed on him, Shichika would have destroyed all his previous opponents with ease.
It was incredibly satisfying watching Shichika steamroll the same swords, which previously took 40+ minute long episodes to defeat, in no time at all, as he says out loud how it would been just as easy to do the same in all his previous battles, with a few exceptions.
The rules were a way to mislead the viewer. Shichika was still OP as fuck even with those rules in place, rarely there's a struggle, so we're misled by thinking that's the full extent of his strength, when in actuality, it was no where close, which is why the final episode leaves you in awe.
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>>133815050
Would eggs go good with hot sauce, /a/?
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>>133830536
Nisioisin does this all the time. Powerlevel "THIS ISNT MY FULL POWER" shit happens in shounen and battle anime all the time. He approaches it with some legitimacy and it turns out great. In Monogatari, he does the same thing with harem and the fixated pseudophilosophy of many anime and it also separates itself from the rest. Crazy bastard
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Welcome to Nisio Isin, enjoy your stay.
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>>133815769
I don't remember Meisai dying, incorrect chart?
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>>133817105
The point was that his ninpou just alters his luck, it's not some all-powerful unbreakable one-line rule of the universe like a Medaka Box power, the nipou have faults and are not absolute. It wasn't that Pengin couldn't get hit by any projectiles ever, it was just extraordinarily unlikely to ever happen due to luck manipulation.
Emonzaemon tested the limits of his luck by firing many bullets from unorthadox angles, and due to the ricochet they each had multiple chances to hit Pengin, further increasing the "accuracy".

It's really all summed in Emonzaemon speech before finishing him off, the love the universe had for him didn't stretch far enough into the future, and Pengin's luck ran out.
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>>133817807
Spamming threads would be annoying as fuck.
Saying "why doesn't /a/ talk about this" is just an icebreaker, really. It's a simple thing for the OP to say that eases into the conversation rather than just saying "Katanagatari thread go" without having a Katanagatari thread for the past few days, if not weeks.
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>>133820986
Open your history books kids
it was Russia
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I tried watching this a few years ago and dropped it after episode 7. Why do you like the show so much? I could easily be convinced to give it another go because I adore the character designs.

I couldn't continue watching because every conversation and interaction was so fucking weird and unnatural. Why can't Nisio write a conversation between humans?
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>>133830784
Yes, scrambled eggs and tabasco sauce is delicious.
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>>133831660
Thanks, Bathhouse Owner
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>>133831693
Thats Depp, you fucking retard
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>>133831660
>Yes, scrambled eggs and tabasco sauce is delicious.

...unless it gave you cancer
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>>133816124
didnt the shots just ricochet around the room until eventually one of them popped pengins face off?
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>>133831556
If what you're looking for is characters that act like real people, I suggest not watching anime.
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>>133830849
meisai was the third sword right? yep she died. shichika killed her right before togame was gonna tell him not to.
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>>133832049
The walls were made of paper, so that would be impossible.

I think the implication is that Emonzaemon somehow managed to hit one of the bullets that was lodged in the wall from his first volley and ricochet his shot off of that. Pretty good aim.
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I didn't get then ending, why did he continue to live with another girl?
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>>133831008
Your explanation doesn't make sense within the context of what Emonzaemon says during the fight however.

This guy's explanation does though: >>133817606
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>>133831138
But Russia failed miserably. Largely due to its own incompetence.
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>>133838525
He didn't, we can assume that, whether or not Shichika lived an uneventful life after the anime, he was satisfied.
Based on what we see at the end, Peacock girl is following him around, much to his dismay, but lets her come along anyway, because she's rich, and can provide him with food, travelling expenses, etc.
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>>133839571
>Based on what we see at the end, Peacock girl is following him around, much to his dismay
To be fair, I expected him to bear a lot more animosity towards her considering the fact that she was instrumental in Togame's death.
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>>133839632
You're right, but you're wrong.

Though she explicitly sent Emonzaemon after her, the show kinda plays up how she died because of her own quest for revenge.

Worth mentioning the bit where Shichika asked Hitei if she actually hated Togame
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>>133839684
>Though she explicitly sent Emonzaemon after her, the show kinda plays up how she died because of her own quest for revenge.
I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean there.
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>>133839705
The impression I got is that she died because she was [a manipulative bitch].
I lost track of where I was going with this when I made that first post.

But I agree, I would think he'd dislike peacock just a bit more, but I guess not.
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>>133838525
Because Hitei is best girl.
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>>133840768
How can people like Bitchei? She appeares just a few times in the anime and she is always seen like an evil bitch plotting. Togame's interactions with Shichika are the best, she's best girl among best girls.
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Is it canon that Togame doesn't wear panties?
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>>133841734
There's no evidence to suggest that it's not canon. Panties weren't really a thing in old timey Japan.
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