>She isn't a whimpering, spineless moeblob
>She sticks up for herself
>She goes for the man she's in love with instead of blushing and hoping senpai notices her
>Not a yandere
>This literally never happens
Best female mc started as a spineless nonmoeblob because it was a character flaw and worked to make herself a Glory King.
>what boys want to see
Asexual heroes get into wacky adventures.
>what girls want to see
Self-inserts get dominated by alpha males.
>what manchildren want to see
Lobotomized kindergarten schoolgirls frolic and kiss each other.
Thinly veiled recommendation thread? It exists, you're just too lazy to find it.
>2 year timeskip in the second chapter
>after timeskip the manga for a while follows the ex-girlfriend of the boy from
>when the heroine appears after the timeskip her first words to the ex-girlfriend are picture related
Oh, and the ex-girlfriend is of course still badly in love with him.
Other than that, it's pretty good, though the narrative doesn't really flow all that well and the dialogue is more novel-style at times. I didn't read the latest translated chapter yet, though.
Also, it gets pretty
>You like X?
>Why not try liking Y instead?
This is why /a/ is shit, the needless elitism and the inability of neckbeards to understand that not everyone likes the same thing.
Get real. Characters like that exist, but most of /a/ will label her a bitch that forces herself on the pure and noble male character who should be with a different girl because REASONS. You can't win, anon.
>but most of /a/ will label her a bitch that forces herself on the pure and noble male character
You say that like it's a bad thing.
This seems like a start of shit storytelling by tumblr whales.
Most girls irl are more afraid of rejection compared to guys, especially when their so-called crush don't seem to be responding to their advances, thus the notice me senpai thing.
This is even worse in nipland.
>this whole fucking thread
>>She goes for the man she's in love with instead of blushing and hoping senpai notices her
You know I like everything you listed but I don't think it's so bad for a girl to be cute and nervous sometimes.
Especially if it contrasts with her otherwise strong and confidant attitude.
12 Kingdoms/Juuni Kokki.
I also suggest the novels. Don't expect the girls to be moeblobs and otaku-bait waifu: they are all flawed and unsympathetic first who struggled to grow up, facing their demons and reach their coming of age.
Or romance. There's very little of that shit.
Mai Natsume is willing to stand up for herself.
A good female character should NOT be
>STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMYN WHO DON'T NEED NO MAN
>male sexuality in a girl's body
The problem is you like the wrong things. You've been indoctrinated into believing that a female character needs to act like a boy in order to be good.
MaiOlev confirmed for most loyal to his waifu.
You can be none of those things and still not be a moeblob or a yandere, you know. Not every strong female character is a tumblr blogger. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that strong women and feminism are mutually exclusive.
> A good female character
> The problem is you like the wrong things.
The OP never actually said that what he describes is "good" in some objective sense.
Is there something wrong with just having a personal preference for characters like that?
But it does anon, pic related.
>senpai tried his hardest not to notice her
>the flimsiest of excuses and he caves hard, they screw till dawn for three days straight, one scene MC almost walks to kitchen naked the next morning she turned him out so hard
>cute, funny, but not overbearing, interactions don't seem like scripted gags
>not idealized, has flaws, but tries to manage them
>idiots will claim she is a yandere without understanding the context of the situation
Don't get much better than this.
>You'll never swear eternal allegiance to a middle-school girl
Not like I agree with OP, but almost none of the girls fit this criteria:
>She goes for the man she's in love with instead of blushing and hoping senpai notices her
Okay /a/, when it comes to the main heroine:
Senpai or Kouhai?
There's nothing wrong with boyish girls as long as they feel comfortable with their own skin and aren't trying to "prove" they are manly. That's why Youko is great. She's not a forced tomboy, she forced herself to play the role of girly girl while she preferred to tomboy around and got to be herself in the end.
Nothing wrong to be girly either as Shoukei is.
To them, their strength was to grow compassionate from their more selfish, jaded and bitchy attitudes (because their lives sucked) and with that kindness and maturity they gained, they became admirable. They both also have a close relationship with a guy, but the series isn't focusing on romance so it only lightly teases it. All of them have an understanding, and their goals, and they cherish and support each other without some kind of sick dependence that you often see on anime.
A little of selfishness isn't bad either, it just makes the characters, male and female, more realistic.
Senpais are good, but the relationship tends to be too uneven, either the senpai becomes too lovey dove for the kouhai, or the kouhai is too beta and puts the senpai on a pedestal.
With a kouhai heroine, the MC often learns to respect the younger one despite age or experience difference, so the relationship becomes more equal.
So kouhai heroine definitely.
Warning though: anime adds two anime only characters (one, another was a minor character who was reinvented) to make them join Youko's journey and externalize the conflict, but it's ok as adaptation. The third season (second Kei arc) is amazing in the anime. A must see.
Second warning: the girl trio that is fleshed out in the anime (Youko, Suzu and Shoukei) all start as really really obnoxious and uncomfortably human (these aren't flaws people overlook like "she eats too much" or "fails tests") they are bad, petty people in a noncrazy way. The trials the show put them through make them grow and mature to be kind and compassionate.
They're rare, but they exist
I get your argument, but I respectfully disagree.
Senpais are the best.
They're literally everywhere.
That is fine. I just tend to like a person in a higher position coming to like and respect someone of a "lower station". It shows a type of maturity and humility I favor.
True. Mai does act flustered around the guy she loves rather than being aggressive. However she admits her feelings to herself, so there isn't a tsundere-style situation with the girl obviously loving a guy but refusing to accept it.
Mai is a kouhai so I'll go with that.
But doesn't >>133794607 have a point? That can happen in both cases.
Moe as a character trait isn't negative, but if that's ALL they are, like the writers just gave up, then that sucks. That's what I think when I see "moeblob."
Moe is great as long as there's something else present as well to support it.
Because "Time spent"/"Profit gained" relationship guarantees that anything requiring actual talent to write will not be considered worth the effort.
If you take a look at ANY of the most commercially succesful media titles, then you'll notice a common pattern where visual art quality is used to make up for the shitty writing in order to keep the sales up.
It's a standard trope for kouhai characters to have low self-esteem and worry that their senpai won't be interested in them but still hope that they'll attract their attention. A prime example of that is Sakura from FSN who idolizes her senpai and hopes that he'll pay attention to her even though at the same time she considers herself unworthy of it.
It serves to make the character seem cuter. I don't think that's a negative trait in itself; it all depends on how the character as a whole is structured and whether there's more to them than that. In the case of Mai for example I think that this is the case.
Twelve Kingdoms is pretty much this, and it's especially strongly present in the novels (I really resent what they did to Youko's characterization in the first part of the anime).
She starts out as a meek, submissive little bitch who's terrified of making waves and plays along with other nasty assholes in order to fit in. She grows up into a strong leader with the resolve to do what she thinks is right.
Every protagonist in the series gets their own story of growth in a similar sense.
Because when it happens /a/ dislikes it because "best girl never win" and thinks the male MC is gay for not going for his favorite girl even when it doesn't make sense.
Why does a girl need to be automatically all over the MC as soon as he appears? She thought he was a useless newbie until he proved otherwise and earned her respect, and then her love, and when she realized she didn't leave to fate, confessed and worked so he would also love her with success.
Queen Millenia - Millenia and Selene
A Kite - Saya
Project A-ko - A-ko Magami and B-ko Daitokuji
Angel Cop - Angel
Appleseed - Deunan
Bakuretsu Tenshi - Meg and Jo
Bayonetta: Bloody Fate - Bayonetta and Jeanne
Blade & Soul - Alka
Blood: The Last Vampire
Burn Up Series
Dirty Pair/Dirty Pair Flash - Kei and Yuri
First Squad: Moment of Truth
Fuse: Teppou Musume no Torimonochou
Gall Force Series - Various
Gatchaman Crowds - Hajime
Genocyber - Elaine
Ghost in the shell - Motoko Kusanagi
Gunsmith Cats - Rally Vincent
Haja Taisei Dangaioh - Mia Alice
Hellsing - Integra
Iria - Zeiram the Aniamtion - Iria
Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita - Watashi
Jormungand - Koko Hekmatyr
Karen Senki - Karen
Kill la Kill - Ryuuko
Kino no Tabi - Kino
Devil Hunter Youko - Youko
Mezzo DSA/Forte - Mikura
Queen Emeraldas - Emeraldas
Seirei no Moribito - Balsa
Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi - Chihiro
Shamanic Princess - Tiara
Sol Bianca - April Bikirk
Gunbuster/Diebuster - Noriko, Lal'C, Nono
Tokyo ESP - Rika Urushiba
Witch Hunter Robin - Robin
Wizard Barristers - Cecil
Patlabor - Noa Izumi
Vexille - Serra Vexile
Majo no Takkyuubin - Kiki
>Everyone feels awkward in her company
These are the imperfections of others, not hers.
>and she tries to commit suicide.
It was not her fault, but a result of the evil (imperfection) of others.
My problem with Nishimiya is that, despite having been through it all, she never had any moment of anger, hatred or bitterness. She is too good, too kind, too perfect, too fake.
>She thought he was a useless newbie until he proved otherwise and earned her respect
Not him, but that doesn't stop her from being a tsundere. There's a difference between needing to earn ones respect and being annoying and hostile because it's "cute".
B)I never said to be all over the mc. Not being antagonising and/or tsun doesn't force you to be all over the mc. The fact that you make that connection shows how disgustingly common this stupid dichotomy between "I won't accept you" and "you're the beeeest" is.
Mine was never hostile toward him though, the only time she hit him was in their first chapter together when he was complaining about his orders when she was appointed his superior, and he hit her back the same chapter. All other were 4th wall jokes and mutual banter.
and you see this
Not being completely welcoming with new people doesn't make someone antagonizing, in fact she immediately acted as his friend and was always the closest girl to Tatsumi in Night Raid. Other characters were "welcoming" but distant until much later. The only dichotomy here is the one you're projecting.
>Not every strong female character is a tumblr blogger. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that strong women and feminism are mutually exclusive.
This. The femisluts want people to think they are strong but they are weak. A strong woman would never side with such a pussy movement
>In fact, I'd go as far as to say that strong women and feminism are mutually exclusive.
Jesus christ take it back to /pol/ or /r9k/ or wherever it is you mongrels commiserate about evil wimmins.
No, she didn't recognize her at the time, bringing up losing her virginity just seemed like a good idea at the time, I guess.
Though she does start gloating the instant she recognizes her.
FUCK OFF YOU CANCEROUS REDDIT PIECE OF SHIT
This thread was made by a redditor using reddit memes and is being posted in by redditors. It's an unholy alliance of femdom faggots and cancerous redditors who think that female characters who are shy and vulnerable are sexist and misogynistic.
On top of that, this is a blatant recommendation thread with OP posting shamelessly, with garbage like
> Thanks, I'll check it out, XD!
And then you have the audacity to make more reddit references here? Fuck off. FUCK OFF.
What's the deal with the release schedule of this manga? Just found out there's been a new chapter after reading the others a bunch of months ago, and apparently there's another one coming December? Did it die and revive?
Fuck off, shithead. The majority of female characters are bitchy and assertive. You and OP are pretending you're in some kind of minority when you aren't.
It's harder to find shy, blushing girls than it is to find bitchy loud girls.
>She goes for the man she's in love with instead of blushing and hoping senpai notices her
Women don't work like that though. Women have developed reproductive strategies that work by cultivating incertitude and what is colloquially called 'spinning the plate', that is, ensuring enough choice to allow her to retract at any moment.
Most women literally can't get out of this deeply imprinted behaviour. They literally can't seek a man and tell him they want to have sex with him, even though they really want to.
As bullshit as is the standard of interaction between the gender in the traditional anime, at least Japan got it right on that. A woman will never be forward because incertitude is a useful tool in the early stage of her relationship and even more, it will be useful all her life.
Tenchi Muyo was made before shoving every girl into little archetypes was popular, so it's girls can't be categorized as "the tsundere", "the moeblob", or "the tomboy".
Admitedly some girls do fit. Chiaia's a tsundere and so is Lithia, Yukine's a kuudere, D's a dandere of a sort.
Actually it does.
I know plenty of women who act decisively in many aspects - romance, career etc.
Perhaps you just don't know many women.
I mean seriously, have you never been out and see a woman just go over and grab a dude and make out with him?
It annoys me when they speak like they're experts on the subject when they have no grasp of it at all, especially when they trip into quasi-behavioural psychology speak (which they have an equally poor grasp of).
Idiots shouldn't be suffered.
my favorite mango has all of that
Seriously, I can't get into most Shonen series because how they handle it. Either have romance or don't even hint at it, I hate how they flirt that stupid line withour any resolution. At least in Naruto everyone gets married.
Characters confess to MC/flirt with MC, making romance relevant in the moment. MC is literally oblivious/asexual, leaving that plot point pointless.
Character literally confesses over sleeping MC while she goes off to sacrifice herself or whatever, and is always thinking talking about MC romantically. MC never gets involved in plot point, making it pointless.
Seriously, either nothing and no flirting/confessions, or give us resolution.
I mean come on, even Dragon Ball and DBZ has marriages in it, awful, irrelevant marriages, but at least there's a conclusion thrown in.
You must be searching for this: http://myanimelist.net/anime/3461/Gensou_Jotan_Ellcia
It has a good story with actually surprising plot developments. Too bad it also has what you mentioned.
You are literally the reason there are so many poorly written women, because writers are too concerned with making the male audience want to fuck or marry her. As a result, they are boring as fuck and lack interesting flaws. A female character does NOT have to act like a female who would appeal to you in real life to be a good character in anything but shitty waifubait series.
Gender swapping a male character to a female would be a safe way to make them interesting, but the instant the writer decides to make a girl he waters down her personality and ups her attractiveness to make her more palatable as a woman rather than as a character. Bitchy, selfish women can make excellent characters (eg Eva from Monster) even if they don't make good waifus.
Emma Guzman, she was the best part of Garo.
And why don't you go cry to tumblr about how all the big mean misogynists hurt your feelings.
Or better yet, cry to the boyfriend you got with absolutely no effort beyond sitting around and saying "yes" while accepting free food, drinks and gifts. Maybe he'll buy you even more stuff.
Who said I assumed you were a woman
Tenchi's cast is a goddamn breath of fresh air compared to the shit we are given today. Ryoko is still one of the better female anime characters today.
I don't see what's so offensive to women about >>133800884. It's a neutrally written comment and doesn't really pin blame on women, just states that it's the most useful sexual strategy for them. Actual girls can probably attest to how beneficial it is to stay passive a lot of the time. Even if it's a wussy way to do it, it's still the 'safest' way to interact with men.
Making generalizations and presenting them as psychologically imprinted seems questionable to me, especially when presented with nothing to back them up. And the other guy's attempt to poison the well by claiming that anyone who disagrees is an SJW is irritating. That's the same shit /pol/tards pull when they claim that anyone who disagrees with their conspiracy theories is a Jewish shill.
In tons of animals (especially mammals) you can see this. Males compete with eachother, females sit back and get competed over. For the most part this has not changed in humans. Yeah maybe a few women break the mold but the vast majority are obviously content to just sit back and never have to be under any pressure or stress and instead let the man do everything.
That's exactly the kind of "just-so" conjecture that gives all of evolutionary psychology a bad name: it takes a personal perception of "how things are" with no quantifiable empirical research nor any statistical evidence to back it up, spins a fantastical evolutionary justification for it, and declares it an inexorable truth.
People who already want to believe it and don't want to put in the effort of any kind of source criticism will eat it up and feel validated that their emotionally based beliefs are "justified by science."
In the mean time anybody who actually cares about truth and science is left tearing out their hair in exasperation.
Anyway, this was supposed to be a Tibetan wall scroll board, not some infantile men versus women battleground.
On that note, it's safe to conclude that the OP just wasn't looking hard enough; there's plenty of material that matches their criteria, such as Best Girl right here.
It's a well known fact that the only people who refuse to admit something is true unless some impossible study encompassing the ENTIRE world is done are people who know they're wrong but just don't want to admit.
You're like some Bigfoot enthusiast who refuses to think it might not be real unless somebody somehow scans every square inch of the earth and the same time and proves Bigfoot isn't in any of them. And even then you'd probably come up with some excuse like "yeah well he can probably just become immune to scanners so I'm still right!"
Like seriously how fucking delusional do you have to be to try and claim women aren't generally the passive one in relationships. You'd have to be a retard, or a woman yourself looking to protect your ego. If anything you're the one who should be giving some kind of evidence since you have the claims that are so ridiculously against common sense.
Oh and nice job with not one, but TWO "l-lets just change the topic and stop arguing" attempts since you know you have no ground to stand on.
Not him but you have not presented any studies to back up your beliefs. You just claim that your beliefs are self-evident and should be accepted on that basis instead of actually putting any effort to support them.
>not a whimpering, spineless moeblob, actually has sex and can use her feminine wiles to her advantage
>sticks up for herself
>will literally a waste a nigga for getting in her way
>doesn't go weak in the knees for some generic self-insert
>not shoehorned into any kind of -dere category, just sexy and sensual all-around
>Like seriously how fucking delusional do you have to be to try and claim women aren't generally the passive one in relationships.
Feel free to point out where that specific claim was made.
Even if we presume that a general trend like that does exist, it doesn't make the bullshit layman evo-psych speculation (as in >>133800884 ) about it any more valid or useful. Even worse, that post immediately proceeds to claim that this is a universal, inescapable truth.
> women literally can't get out of this deeply imprinted behaviour
> A woman will never be forward because incertitude is a useful tool in the early stage of her relationship
You say that people deny that "women are passive in relationships" but that's a pretty fucking different statement from "the biological truthfact of the matter is that women are born to be blueballers and literally cannot help it because it is the best evolutionary strategy, this is a fact because of evolution and psychology. QED."
Neither have you. Why should I believe anything you say. Why should I believe women are JUST as active and aggressive as men when that goes against every observation and experience I've made in my life.
Are you one of those faggots that will hide behind "muh science" as an excuse to deny literally everything you don't like? Do you think nobody can ever know ANYTHING unless there's a study done on it? I'm pretty sure I have 2 hands. I've spent my whole life seeing that I have 2 hands. Are you gonna tell me you won't believe I have 2 hands unless I link a study where 10 Harvard scientists spent 5 years carefully studying me and graphing charts for the entire time that I have 2 hands?
Also pic related meets all the criteria
Exactly, can you really say all of the men Fujiko deals with are some bland LN expat?
No, they're gentleman thieves, or mafia triggermen, or assassins or general active criminal types.
Relating personal observations is not the problem.
Using bogus pseudoscience to try to validate those personal observations as universally applicable and generalizable truths is the problem.
Sure, you have two hands, but some people have a hand or two amputated and some are born with a stub.
Oh, so you decided to call me out, huh? Bring it.
I never said that women are as sexually aggressive as men; I disagreed with the idea that you can ascribe human behavior to biological laws that apply to all animals. There is actually a body of research that shows that human female sexuality is in fact plastic and can be easily altered by social conditions. Here's a review on the topic:
This is the stupidest, sperglordiest conversation I've ever seen outside of /pol/
Oh so you're all just mad that he said it like it applies to 100% of all females. Do you also think people are always actually being serious when they use the word "literally"?
Well I'm sorry I can't change what he said but do know I made sure to say "yeah maybe a few women break the mold". Still won't change the fact that most women probably go through their entire lives, with multiple relationships, and have never once had to be the one to approach the man and ask him out. When you see women giving and asking for dating advice it's always about "how can I get this guy to ask me out?". The thought of just asking him out herself never occurs to them because women are just far too risk averse and comfortable in their position of safety as the chooser that they virtually never put themselves in a position that they might be rejected. Hell I've tried suggesting they just do the asking before (on some of the more normalfag boards like /adv/) and the women there get mad and tell me to go back to /r9k/, like my suggestion that they put themselves out there is somehow so offensive to their core beliefs about women that it's sexist.
Nope, this thread is filled with reddit cancer (men and women) who hate shy female characters and think they're sexist.
Honestly, everyone in this thread should be banned, you doubly so.
Sorry to break it to you, but Sakura seems to meet all your criteria. You may want to rething your priorities.
It stretches belief somewhat, but there are definitely people that would just internalize everything and blame themselves for abuse they suffer, and she seems to be a pretty prime candidate given her childhood. She's more believable if you think about it less from the perspective that she's too kind and nice to resent anyone, and more that she has such low self-esteem that thinks she deserves everything she gets.
Though I will agree that she's flawed in such a way that will be palatable to most people, unlike Ueno or Kawai, who are more realistically flawed (and thus more distasteful).