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Every i-adjective has a clear distinction between the functions of its -い ending and its -く ending, right? Yet for some reason, in colloquial speech すごい, and only すごい, is used as an adverb while still retaining the -い ending. For example, you can say either すごくたのしかった or すごいたのしかった and it won't make a difference, but you can only say 厳しく扱ってくれる and not 厳しい扱ってくれる. I believe ひどい also does this sometimes. I wonder what makes them so special that they seem to be the only i-adjectives that went through this "adverbalization" process. Probably because they're so common in spoken language, but then a lot of other adjectives would have been good candidates too.
>using a deck that only has Heisig keywords
>not using one that also has Kanjidic words and example vocabulary
>not eventually fading out keywords for cloze vocab
If the keywords end up causing confusion like that because you weren't paying attention, then it's your own fault for using a bad deck and/or misunderstanding the method.
In regards to syllable marks, if they're recommended due to romanization issues with replacing "ō" with "ou," what about "Hadouken" from Street Fighter? Go with "Hadōken" or "Hadouken?"
How le fug do I mine this word? Do I put all the meanings on one card? That seems incredibly burdensome.
What do you guys do when you run into a word with so many different meanings?
I'm back. I managed to have a decent talk with a girl for about half an hour. Was pretty good. My first time speaking too. I've only been studying 5 months but the conversation flowed alright. I can't pronounce for shit though, I need to work on it
Both ok. Most Japanese are not autists who would be triggered by that small variety In writing words.
There's a reason why Japanese people write Tokyo Kyoto and Osaka not Toukyou Kyouto and Oosaka. Well, you should use all syllable to use Japanese IME but it's hella mendokusai for major Japanese in handwriting.
>mining ultra-common words with complicated meanings
You're doing it wrong. Just pick it up through reading more.
Most of those meanings go along with set expressions, so if you see カギをかける and the meaning of かける confuses you there then add the whole expression.
I can give you three good reasons not to mine it at all. First, for obvious reasons you don't get a lot of benefit from doing words that are very common in anki, and かける is extremely common. You'd be better off using that deck space with some other word. Second, anki doesn't work very well if you have to stop and think about several meanings of a word, it's supposed to be fast, but there's also no reason to pick on meaning of かける over any other, so it's just not very suited for an anki card. Finally, memorizing a list of meanings might give you the wrong idea about the verb. Many of these meanings only arise in specific constructions which you're better off getting acquainted through exposition.
Hang is a very versatile word that can sort-of substitute enough times to make it useful.
If I was making a card instead of using someone else's deck, yeah, I probably wouldn't make a card for it, but it's not going to hurt you if there's one in there.
I agree, but anon's question was about mining, i.e. making a card for it. I'd even add that if somebody came to me and asked me to define かける in one English word I'd first tell them that it's impossible, but upon insistence I'd just say "hang".
Was busy talking to lolis in Japanese
in my dreams
I never have and I don't think that would be necessary. Most words have at most 2 or 3 notably distinct usages, so it's easy to fit all of it in a single card. Those words that do have a lot of usages tend to be extremely common like かける. Having that said, I don't think there's anything wrong with isolating a specific usage of a word in a card if you think it would be better for you to reinforce that in your memory, and it just might happen that a word has two usages you wish to reinforce in isolation, though I don't think this has ever happened to me. In general, I think it's just better to 'get to know' a word through exposure. Anki is best reserved for the simple task of making a simple connection between a word and a simple meaning, you can expand on the complexity of the word later.
Sorry, I really have no clue. On the one hand Japanese people have a fame of being very rigorous about work, but on the other hand maybe gaijins get a completely different treatment.
I'm never gonna learn Japanese lmao
but i love trying though
>Holy shit that's bad
Am I incapable of learning Japanese
>hey me, you know what would be a good idea?
>unsuspending all your leeched cards at once
Why am I such a retard?
Bad idea. Leeches are leeched for a reason - anki didn't effectively get you to memorize them. You have to study leeches outside of anki, you have to give them extra special attention. Write them each 10 times, make mnemonics, do custom study for them every day. Or, let them be suspended and just pick them up through reading, though I don't recommend that. Either way, don't be retarded and unsuspend them
Had 2 years of university Japanese but I am returning to it now after a while. I've been grinding Kanji and my short-term goal for now is getting through the 1006 grade school Kanji before starting the Core 2k vocab deck.
Someone tell me if I'm being a moron.
Leftmost girl is mostly just gangbangs with the demon queen, middle girl's route has tons of vibrators and bondage, rightmost girl has pure love and tsundere being broken down; overall it was a nice fap but not something remarkably good. It DID have a lot of plot for a nukige (like real plot unrelated to sex) so it was good reading practice, though.
Nothing else? So is there just no hope for me? I really am too dumb to learn this language?
I tried doing today's cards but I've had to relearn almost everything from yesterday so I turned new cards to 0 for now
Just keep trying to learn japanese and you'll get there. There's no such thing as too dumb to learn a language, unless you're mentally retarded as to be unable to speak any language at all, which is clearly not the case.
>sit on bed
>open up ハイペリオン
>follow along with the story
I have reached my final form.
>However the next time you dare to say such joke, [punishment name] yada yada (let's leave it at "I'll turn you into valleyball"
Correctness aside, what do てみろ and にしてやる do?
3 years later and I'm fluent in Japanese, time to move on to an actually hard language. Wish me luck!
>Can't for the life of me remember anki cards
Most cards takes me at least 30 times to remember, and even then just barely. I can usually remember what the kanji means after a few times, but I keep forgetting the pronunciation.
What am I doing wrong?
I'm learning Chinese just to learn it. Same thing happened with Japanese at a certain point. If the learning process isn't reward enough you will probably end up stagnating as a intermediate and be forever in this vague inbetween zone where you have to guess at stuff based on context and never really understanding everything. That is where most people who call themselves fluent end up.
>chinese is only hard because no compelling content
Chinese is hard because of pronunciation. And I'm not talking about tones, I'm talking about trying to hear sounds that don't exist in English.
Meh. If you keep guessing based on context eventually all of your guesses will be right. If you keep reading (and looking up words) you will achieve close to 100% understanding soon enough (couple years) for familiar contexts. 90% of that "vague understanding haze" is not knowing the vocab well, and 10% being unfamiliar with grammar, obviously looking up words will eliminate the unknown vocab and simple quantity will solve the grammar problem, so no worries.
My point is that if you don't enjoy that process you will probably end up stagnating, aka not do it consistently enough to actually make progress. You will be what I like to call "polyglot fluent" in the language. If you want native fluency you need to keep pushing even when certain types of texts seem easy enough. Branch out to the news and pre-WWII literature.
>If you want native fluency
I'm not concerned about that. I have one concern: Do I understand what I'm consuming? If not, I need to learn it, if so, then all is well. It's a solid philosophy that has done me well. No imaginary "native" levels, no "ploygot fluency" stuff. Just simply, do I understand.
>Reading VN on auto-play for the first time ever
I will worry about a thread on 2ch when I read a thread on 2ch. If I have no problem reading everything I want to read, be it in a comfort zone or not, why would I care? Like I said, I'm not concerned about an imaginary native level, or any lofty goals. I just want to understand what is laid before me at the current moment. If I can accomplish that, I will be satisfied.
This VN is pretty damn easy compared to others I've played. There is no narration and everything is voiced, which is why I can keep up. It feels like a voiced SoL manga basically. Sometimes I pause to look up some words but it flows pretty well.
I studied pretty hardcore for about 6-8 months then didn't have contact with any japanese media for about 5 years. Since I restarted I've been at it for 4 months
Man, my grammar comprehension is at all time low today.
Does this say that the hobby is complaining TO women in adult games or complaining ABOUT women in adult games?
>tfw just started katakana training the other day and the joy of going to a .jp website and being able to make marginal sense of the menu selections
It's a little thing, but it's such a good feeling when you start to see than memorization is not for nothing.
What is this supposed to mean? "Are non-married couple things like our current selfs" ? I feel like I'm so far off, I shouldn't have even said what I was thinking
>Foreign language recall is four times recognition.
>I thought that was common knowledge
Fuck, reproduction not recognition.
You can recognize four times as much as you can produce on demand.
It's an English term that exclusively refers to Japanese grammar. So if you don't know anything about Japanese grammar it's only natural you won't understand.
This is just "I walked to the store and bought bread."
This doesn't make a lot of sense at all. Sounds like you're saying "The reason I walked to the store is I bought bread." or something like that.
Multiply that effect over a few different distortions as the word travels through different dialects and language ans it's not really that surprising that Nippon has become Zipang or Japan at different places and times.
Thanks heaps, I feel dumb now after seeing it so many thousands of times in edict definitions and never bothering to look it up.
first dialogue and a kanji I can't find
1st kanji on 2nd line, isn't the radical on the right 司? Why the fuck can't I find it on jisho radical search
I don't know what's the radical on the left
>I don't know what's the radical on the left
it's the 食 radical, grade 9 radical under jisho
>mfw I could read this
why does this happen
一 is part of 司
Not really. Look at 減, same "mouth with line" construct, no 一 radical.
Radical lookup is an ass way to find kanji anyway, just scribble it in Google, or just try the most obvious readings. 司 is strong for し.
Am I supposed to sit on each anki card and come up with clever little ways to remember each meaning or do I just blast through them all getting them all wrong until I just recognize them
I was doing okay with working out ways to remember them but there are too many fucking cards
Blast through them until you notice you're having trouble with a certain card, then take a second to look at it and go "ok, 勉強、べんきょう, to study... It has the kanji from 強い" ... etc, try to make a few connections like that, say the word out loud or in your head.
t. 90% correct rate on young cards in anki
ps. what does this t. mean?
Most people don't use mnemonics, but I've made one for the reading of each of the 850 Core cards I've done so far and it works well for me (92% young). I reuse a lot of stock characters, such as my mother for ま, so it usually takes less than 30 seconds to think of a mnemonic. I'm a retard and would probably have something like 50% young without mnemonics.
I don't get this. What did she want her to say?
Writing them down helped my retention a lot, although it slowed my review time too. Part 1 is less than 300 kanji, not much to review again by writing, it's not like you're starting over.
>come back to learning japanese for the nth time
>prioritizing learning japanese, even though programming is more important
>now feel like I have no time for learning programming even though I'm doing less than 2 hour a day of japanese
I'm a NEET that does only 4chan and programming, why the fuck do I feel like I have no time?
Me too, kinda. Although I'm already a proficient programmer, so it's more about putting my knowledge to use than learning.
It's probably because programming takes more effort, you have to come up with shit. Idly clicking through my anki reps at least counts as something productive for little effort. Anyway ganbatte.
Why do anime people have their noses so far to the side on their faces?
Fucking hell, have you retards never seen basic artistic methods before? They remove the lines to soften the faces, kind of like what they do when they remove lip lines a bit. Here's with the noses drawn in. It's definitely not as "kawaii," but that could be fixed if they moved the noses not so far to the fucking side.
SHIT, i didnt know VNs would be so effective, straight from the first page i see loads of new grammar i havent even studied before, and i'm just studying the grammar as we go.
How was your first VN playthrough? how much did you improve etc.
I remembered reading several manga volumes of different things at first. And then I tried my first long VN and my skill seemed to skyrocket after I was done. And my cockness too. A huge ass improvement either way.
My post-vn cockiness dies a lot when I realized a lot of tiny bits still eluded me even if I have 90% of it down. So someone could take me the fuck down with a single twist of grammar.
Now I just read and hope that everything will work itself out.
If you smell shit everywhere you go, check under your shoe.
Which is to say, fix yourself. There are fucking tons of great Japanese media, literally among the most in the entire world. If you can't find SOMETHING to consume, you're just being a baby and a loser.
Literally anything, of any description or flavor or interest, exists in Japanese. Even "shitposting on 4chan" exists in Japanese.
If you find the whole of human creation uninteresting, you may as well just kill yourself now and save the time.
>open up genki
fuck, don't start the thing by scaring me like that
>Japanese media isn't for anything actually serious
I'll admit that works pertaining to the military in particular didn't come to my mind but it's undeniable that Japanese manga and sometimes anime delve into really serious and dark shit. No idea why you'd imply otherwise, it's just false. You may be thinking "ah a buttmad /a/ user" but that is not the case, check out pic related. Fuckload of dark and serious manga.
It happens, I have found a few who are mostly interested in talking to me for the sake of talking about anime and manga etc. so they don't care if it's in Japanese most of the time.
I haven't been here in a while. How is DJT doing? Anything happened recently? Are you guys still arguing over the same things?
Maybe you should try conversing with a Japanese person before you start disagreeing with me.
Yes, being able to express your thoughts in Japanese is a very good start, but that's a long ways away from being able to hold a conversation at natural pace, using all the correct idioms in the correct situations and so on.
Not to mention, if you're just talking to yourself, who's gonna correct you when you're wrong? Or give you that puzzled "what the fuck is this gaijin saying" look? You're limited by your own knowledge.
Maybe try to get to at least grade school level of kanji knowledge before trying to read without reading aides.
Alternatively, VNR is supposed to be able to texthook some PSP games, so you can try that out.
I assume this means music room or something like that but jisho and rikaisama don''t have anything about it, and how do I read it?
He wasn't asking about anyone taking JLPT N1.
Dumb japs shamelessly stole our songs.
>tfw none of your Kanji are passing blue in Kanji Grid
Why is it broken.
>tfw everyone here lowers the Kanji Grid interval to make all their grid blue
>In its weakest sense, intersubjectivity refers to agreement. There is intersubjectivity between people if they agree on a given set of meanings or a definition of the situation.
>Intersubjectivity emphasizes that shared cognition and consensus is essential in shaping our ideas and relations. Language, quintessentially, is viewed as communal rather than private. Therefore, it is problematic to view the individual as partaking in a private world, one whose meaning is defined apart from any other subjects. But in our shared divergence from a commonly understood experience, these private worlds of semi-solipsism naturally emerge
>yfw you now understand why people on DJT argue about stuff when they both basically agree
>have to learn bullshit words like "moxa cautery" because they're used in idioms
Fucking Chinese I swer to god
>can't concentrate on studying because need to fap
>can't fap because family are in
>stroking your dick to a certain illuminated array of pixels
I seriously hope you don't do this
time spent wishing is always wasted time, go study
Sorry Chad, I guess I should just b myself and go get laid, rite?
Or are you one of those delusional nofap fags?
>Also get banned you underage faggot
>hurr you can't have a sex drive if you're over 18 years old
>all these new kanji in the same sitting
Goddamn. At this point, usually a day with 30 new cards will throw like 4-5 new kanji at you, but it feels like I've encountered more than 10 with this lot.
>Sorry Chad, I guess I should just b myself and go get laid, rite?
no, don't waste time and go study
stop caring about having to feel good, you're just a lousy addict who can't even concentrate without his "drug"
I'm not sure what does this have with his problem. In my mined deck it's not rare to get 30 or more kanji out of 30 new cards in a day, which is a lot higher rate than core decks.
>all words are voiced
>example sentences w/ translation
>sentences are voiced
>with the exception of the loanwords, everything here is stuff that you need to learn
The only downsides are that it has a ton of English loan words (easily dealt with by hitting 4 and adding a few more new cards for the day to make up for it) and you sometimes need to replace their kana-only entries with kanji (doesn't take long), but the upsides kick the shit out of the downsides.
>(easily dealt with by hitting 4 and adding a few more new cards for the day to make up for it)
Just hit delete on the card first time you see it, that way it doesn't count towards your new card limit.
My progress contradicts that (reading has definitely become much easier since I've gotten a ways into Kore), but I'd like to hear what kind of tunnel-visioned, autistic reasoning led you to that conclusion.
Kore tries group words with the same kanji together, so you'll get like five entries with the new kanji + shit that you already know.
That makes good sense, since it helps pound in the readings and up your recognition of the kanji.
Can someone explain to me how the JLPT is scored? To pass the N3 do I have to get above 95 points and satisfactory points in each section or do I have to get a certain percentile?
Is there a place where I can find JLPT practice test WITH answers. I have a bunch of answer less ones. They are useful but I think it would be more useful if I knew what the answers were.
>make a character speak a fictional language
>add subtitles so people aren't left scratching their heads
never been so happy to see this kind of retarded character, specially since jap-subs are slow to come in the case of currently airing shows
Shall I keep this at 8 or increase it?
>This is not the time to be doing something like this
Also, even now, I still don't fully understand the function of the のに at the end in, is it just to add emphasis?
I mean, I can understand when it's used like "主人公なのに…" (even though I'm the protagonist...). But in pic-related's sentence I don't see how that のに fits with the rest of the sentence
>>Also, even now, I still don't fully understand the function of the のに at the end in, is it just to add emphasis?
I've always understood it as meaning something to the effect of "even though" or "even so". I've never actually looked it up before now, but Jisho seems to suggest that I'm right.
I've been doing anki for 4 years now. Never suspended any cards because I decided at the beginning that suspending cards is preventing me from learning them. It's better to see something that is difficult more often.
Am I doing it right?
Have any of you taken Japanese in high school? I wish my school had Japanese because I would have been more motivated to study compared to spanish.
How does passing the Japanese AP test compare the the levels in the JLPT?
>I can understand when it's used like "主人公なのに…"