Everything comes from somewhere, right? So let's have a thread here about it. I post something and you prove that this thing is not original by posting something else that has come before, and so on.
Example: Kamehameha. Shoot rays through the hands is something created by Toiryama. Someone can prove the opposite?
PS: it's not about plagiarism, it's about inspiration.
Dragon Ball came before, but I dont know if it was the inspiration for SF. Anyway, Kirby did things like that.
DB takes some stuff from Journey to the west
Or you know, superheroes in general that fire things from their hands. Iron Man was firing beams from his hands by, what, the 70s? If you don't want to be pedantic about what's being shot from the hands(as in it doesn't have to be ki/generic life energy like the Kamehameha or hadoken), OG Human Torch would maybe be the first contemporary example?
Even /vp/ love JttW
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true, but it may have served as a basis.
btw, i know that staryu and starmie were inspired by ultra.
Perhaps I might be reaching a bit, but I like to think the small hints here and there are Oshii paying homage to Tark and who knows what other directors.
The obvious allusions to the girl carrying the egg as if she's pregnant, and the dream of Gorchakov sitting beside his pregnant wife.
Tark's fascination with mirrors presenting the unreality in dreams in Nostalghia and Sacrifice.
Yeah I read that too. Although if I remember correctly, he said he "used" to like all those guys. I wonder if that's a mistranslation or he actually has moved past the arthouse phase? I hope not.
Didn't superman had everything before Goku minus the gold aura ??
>minus the gold aura
Well, he eventually got that. When you're a solar powered hero they like to play with the imagery of a sun god.
The original adventuring anti-hero gunman in red
"Lucas, cited Hakaider as the inspiration for Darth Vader"
How the fuck did i miss that
I know the chara design of Cobra was inspired by the actor Jean-Paul Belmondo.
Well, the idea of mecha as you know it, a giant robot with a cockpit that a human pilot controls comes from Mazinger Z by Go Nagai.
But a giant robot being controlled? For Japan it's Gigantor/Tetsujin 28-go.
If you want an even older example, there's The Mechanical Monsters, one of the Fleischer Superman cartoons where he battles an army of giant robots controlled by a mad scientist, terrorizing the world.
But of course, we can go even further back. The golem from Hebrew mythology, for example.
Honestly? We've probably lost the origins of most of this shit to history. But if you looking into Asian mythologies, shit gets fucking insane.
Go read into the Mahabarata and other Hindu stories. The Brahmanda Astra is a weapon that could destroy the entirety of the 14 realms of existence.
A golem is inscribed with Hebrew words in some tales (for example, some versions of Chełm and Prague, as well as in Polish tales and versions of Brothers Grimm), such as the word emet (אמת, "truth" in Hebrew) written on its forehead. The golem could then be deactivated by removing the aleph (א) in emet,thus changing the inscription from "truth" to "death" (met מת, meaning "dead").
>Can you go even further back?
It gets hard because once you go back so far it turns into oral tradition that may lead back to even earlier periods with writing that may cycle around to earlier oral tradition. The fall of empires and slash and burn conquest probably robbed us of a lot of shit. Judaism goes back to the Canaanite pantheon which goes back to even earlier pantheons or regional religions.
So if you shoot it in the head and destroy the aleph brand, it dies?
I cant hear you because of my nuclear salamander's roar
So everything Seinen is HP Lovecraft
>Overconfident MC that is a special snowflake
>The epic journey to unknown lands filled with magical creatures
>the rival that becomes the MC's best friend
>Story divided in arcs
It is only lacking the dark force sealed inside the protagonist
Everything is from here
The novel is an extended account of the legendary pilgrimage of the Tang dynasty Buddhist monk Xuanzang who traveled to the "Western Regions", (...) Buddha gave this task to the monk and provided him with three protectors who agree to help him as an atonement for their sins. These disciples are Sun Wukong (Son Goku), Zhu Wuneng and Sha Wujing, together with a dragon prince who acts as Xuanzang's steed, a white horse.
It's primarily inspired by a set of folkales which grew up around the travel of the Tang Dynasty priest Xuanzang (known as 'Triptaka' in earlier English translations) who undertook a 30 year sojourn to reach India and translate central Buddhist texts into Chinese.
During the development of the novel in the 15th-16th centuries, somehow the narrative about Sun Wukong and the rest of the adventures got added. Nobody's quite sure where these figures come from, a general answer being "the folk" (but really we have no concrete idea save that Sun Wukong and the Hindu entity Hanuman share some similarities in ability and powers but not anything in terms of character).
Anime and Manga in general tend to pull a lot from Japanese understandings of novels. There's tons of giri/ninjo stuff going on.
>VI.16.15 (atrium of the House of Pinarius); 6842: If anyone does not believe in Venus, they should gaze at my girl friend
Shonen seems linked to narratives about youthful warriors in Japanese war tales.
The story of Minamoto Yoshitsune seems archetypal
>Extremely young and beautiful (distinctly 'beautiful', not 'handsome')
>Learns secret sword techniques which no other mortal is privy to from Tengu
>Fights alongside older brother against the corrupt old Taira/Heike
>Minamoto/Genji clan ushers in new age
>BUT WAIT, older brother betrays him for reasons
>Yoshitsune dies a warrior fighting in the north.
There are numerous different endings provided throughout time, all of them concerned with romanticizing Yoshitsune's last moments.
Shakespeare's work was largely lowest common denominator entertainment filled to the brim with lewd sex jokes and pop-culture references. Who knows what pandering TV sitcom will be viewed as high art in 400 years.
I'll grant that there's more specific things that individual shounen pulls from, but the way that we think of fighting shounen today seems pretty clearly based on Dragonball, which pulls most of its material from Journey.
If I had to say, the crazy hair thing started on the pursuit for a iconic image for a main character, something that you could tell just from the sillouette.
But the one that enforced this idea was probably Dragon Ball.
>Hair is three different colors
>Twists into wire-like chords when he goes berserk
I can dig that.
Before Takao Saito started Golgo 13, he worked on a James Bond manga.
The Iliad has absolutely nothing to do with the Gilgamesh epos.
However, the Iliad likely wasn't something Homer made up, it's more likely that it's based on older works which existed in oral tradition. Evidence of that would be the for a written work unusual amount of epithets among other things, which in oral renditions would be used to give the storyteller time to think about what happens next, how to word things, etc.
I think you'd have to be retarded to not instantly recognize that Golgo 13 is derived from James Bond. The interesting thing about James Bond's origin is that he was largely based on real secret agents Ian Fleming met during WWII.
Well, sure, but the fact that the dude actually worked on a James Bond manga instead of seeing a few of the Sean Connery films and thinking that was cool enough to make a manga about an a James Bond-like dude, and the fact that he pretty much recycled the design, was news to me.
There is, it was bad.
These are cuter.
Superman had plenty of powers. Some weirder than others.
True, shounen simply means action-y anime targeted to boys, which we've had since Astro Boy. Even though most people would think of them within the genre of mecha before shounen, early mecha anime like Mazinger Z helped set up a lot of the hero archetypes utilized by most shounen afterward.
Well, using Sengoku or Meiji Restoration-era legendary figures is pretty popular, even if it mostly ends up as framework for fetishism.
Who could you use for a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-esque crossover teamup?
Or do you mean something more like World Masterpiece Theater, anime adaptations of stories like Greek mythology or King Arthur?
the production notes/mangas/other side materials have a little more on their historic backstories.
Like there's one with gil and enkidu and something about medea.
Nasufags can probably elaborate.
>after seeing the Propoetides he was "not interested in women", but his statue was so fair and realistic that he fell in love with it.
>Or do you mean something more like World Masterpiece Theater, anime adaptations of stories like Greek mythology or King Arthur?
Who could you use for a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-esque crossover teamup?
Masakado, Sungwu Kong, Cuchulain, El Cid, Aquilles/Siegfried
>managed to make a famous franchise
He did Indiana Jones too.
Not to mention American Graffiti.
No, you're looking for someone who came into the industry as a trailblazer, but then turned into liquid shit after their success.
This, just like Lucas his career built up making more and more iconic and influential works that culminated in his greatest creation, he had maybe one or two genuinely good works after that (Indiana Jones/Kare Kano), and then just dropped off the face of the directorial world until he retured with a pandering sequel series that turned out to be absolute shit. If Anno further walks along his trail, Eva will get another series of entries made with him not being involved at all that it is yet to be seen whether they will be genuinely good and better than his own bastardization of the series or just a cash grab by whatever corporation aquired the rights (I honestly see this being really likely for Eva within a decade or more after Rebuild finishes).
>tfw Goku can't detect evil or create clones from his hair
Considering Sun Wukong's power level though it's not surprising that Goku would eventually be able to tangle with Gods.
This only becomes an issue with the likes of Crunchyroll when they stop that inspiration flow with them. Before the anime community already established their morals and ethics with doujinshi and artist alley but now they're gonna start the Raid on Anime.
Robocop was based largely on 8th Man, aka Tobor the 8th Man. The 8th Man anime is also directly referenced in The Big O, which rips the plot of an 8th man episode directly in the episode with the giant eel. The Big O is also a reference to Big X, Tezuka's early giant robot manga. The actual guy in suit with command wristwatch piloting giant lumbering robot look and feel of The Big O is directly inspired by Giant Robo.