NOTHING IS ORIGINAL

>>133731357
>Shoot rays through the hands is something created by Toiryama.

Street Fighter came first

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>>133731497

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>>133731497
Dragon Ball came before, but I dont know if it was the inspiration for SF. Anyway, Kirby did things like that.

>>133731357
>it's about inspiration.
So much is uninspired though.

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>>133731357
DB takes some stuff from Journey to the west

>>133731696
Or you know, superheroes in general that fire things from their hands. Iron Man was firing beams from his hands by, what, the 70s? If you don't want to be pedantic about what's being shot from the hands(as in it doesn't have to be ki/generic life energy like the Kamehameha or hadoken), OG Human Torch would maybe be the first contemporary example?

>>133731580
That's clearly his forearm, not his hand.

I'd argue quite a few things from Angel's Egg were inspired by Tarkovsky's Nostalghia. I know he was inspired by him in those years.

>>133732674
Really? I'm curious now. I love Tarkovsky.

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>>133731357
Even /vp/ love JttW
Also thi
shttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KamehameHadoken domt click this link will ruin your life

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>>133732669
true, but it may have served as a basis.
btw, i know that staryu and starmie were inspired by ultra.

>>133732674
Mamoru Oshii is a massive fan of european arthouse and doesn't deny his influences, Tarkovsky being one of his most notable ones.

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>>133732727
Perhaps I might be reaching a bit, but I like to think the small hints here and there are Oshii paying homage to Tark and who knows what other directors.

The obvious allusions to the girl carrying the egg as if she's pregnant, and the dream of Gorchakov sitting beside his pregnant wife.
Tark's fascination with mirrors presenting the unreality in dreams in Nostalghia and Sacrifice.

>>133732840
Yeah I read that too. Although if I remember correctly, he said he "used" to like all those guys. I wonder if that's a mistranslation or he actually has moved past the arthouse phase? I hope not.

I learned that Shakespeare as an enormous unoriginal hack a long time ago.

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>>133731357
Didn't superman had everything before Goku minus the gold aura ??

>>133731357
What's the point of this shitty thread? Who would be entertained by this? Go back to gaia if you want to play epic forum games.

>>133733212
question: what is the origin of the golden aura?

>>133733169
Yeah what the fuck I can't believe he stole the Reiclone archetype from Anno.

>>133733305
Relax, anon. We can discover new things about old stuff.

>>133732744

>clicked the link
>notice Beam Spam in the article
>There had damn well better be a picture of the Freedom
>There is

At least those faggots got something right.

>>133733305
This is actually a pretty neat thread, desu.

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>>133733212
>minus the gold aura

Well, he eventually got that. When you're a solar powered hero they like to play with the imagery of a sun god.

I would make the claim that most battle shonen tropes got their start in Pro Wrestling, and from there in Kinnikuman.

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The original adventuring anti-hero gunman in red

Well where does Mecha come from?

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>>133731357
"Lucas, cited Hakaider as the inspiration for Darth Vader"

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>>133733412
How the fuck did i miss that

>>133733653
I meant to quote >>133733306

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>>133733528
I know the chara design of Cobra was inspired by the actor Jean-Paul Belmondo.

>>133733716
I guarantee you that 90% of this is going to go back to Gilgamesh.

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>>133733530
Well, the idea of mecha as you know it, a giant robot with a cockpit that a human pilot controls comes from Mazinger Z by Go Nagai.

But a giant robot being controlled? For Japan it's Gigantor/Tetsujin 28-go.

If you want an even older example, there's The Mechanical Monsters, one of the Fleischer Superman cartoons where he battles an army of giant robots controlled by a mad scientist, terrorizing the world.

But of course, we can go even further back. The golem from Hebrew mythology, for example.

>>133733612
>his full name is Mechanical Violator Hakaider

fantastic

>>133731357
Honestly? We've probably lost the origins of most of this shit to history. But if you looking into Asian mythologies, shit gets fucking insane.

Go read into the Mahabarata and other Hindu stories. The Brahmanda Astra is a weapon that could destroy the entirety of the 14 realms of existence.

>>133733815
Can you go even further back?

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>>133733815
Fun fact
A golem is inscribed with Hebrew words in some tales (for example, some versions of Chełm and Prague, as well as in Polish tales and versions of Brothers Grimm), such as the word emet (אמת, "truth" in Hebrew) written on its forehead. The golem could then be deactivated by removing the aleph (א) in emet,thus changing the inscription from "truth" to "death" (met מת, meaning "dead").

>>133733915
Can't we just say the Jews did it?

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>>133733612
Father !!!!

>>133733915
Any further back and you're at the origin story for man.

>>133731357
Kamen rider is the source of everything

>>133733915
>Can you go even further back?
It gets hard because once you go back so far it turns into oral tradition that may lead back to even earlier periods with writing that may cycle around to earlier oral tradition. The fall of empires and slash and burn conquest probably robbed us of a lot of shit. Judaism goes back to the Canaanite pantheon which goes back to even earlier pantheons or regional religions.

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>>133733923
So if you shoot it in the head and destroy the aleph brand, it dies?

>>133733653
holy shit

Origins of the mahou shoujo genre is pretty fun, and generally traces back to Bewitched as a starting point.

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>>133734054
I cant hear you because of my nuclear salamander's roar

>>133734182
Bewitched was a hugely influential, international phenomenon. It turned Samantha from a "Endora" level obscure name to the traditional all-american girl.

>>133733768
I am surprised there are no anime based on Gil
His epic is filled with shonen cliches

>>133734223
>implying kamen rider's awesomeness did not inspired the works that precede it

>>133734314
>Where we're going we don't need causality

>>133733653
Allah, Head Ch'Allah.jpg

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>>133734242
>shonen
So everything Seinen is HP Lovecraft

Sword Art Online invented the trope of realistic and relatable main characters.

>>133734429
Guaranted replies

>>133733914
Journey to the West is a pretty good source for anime, especially Dragonball obviously. Do we know where it pulled its sources from?

>>133734242
>shonen cliches
I believe you but what are some examples

>>133734518
Fighting rivals become best bros

>>133734518
Best girl is a trap.

>>133734511
Isn't JttW about a priest going on a journey?
Then Buddhism maybe?

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>>133734429
> not papa bones
Huh

>>133734550
A monkey, actually.

If you went back in time and assassinated Carl Barks anime would be destroyed

>>133734518
>Overconfident MC that is a special snowflake
>The epic journey to unknown lands filled with magical creatures
>the rival that becomes the MC's best friend
>Story divided in arcs
>shitty ending

It is only lacking the dark force sealed inside the protagonist

>>133734518
The wild child raised by prostitutes

>>133734567
I thought the monkey was just a companion, along with the pig and the another animal that I don't remember.
I don't really know shit about it though, so I am probably wrong.

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>>133734616
You're getting a couple of different stories mixed up. Momotaro especially, although his animal companions were a dog, a monkey, and a peacock.

How about the annual Romance of the Three Kingdoms anime?

>>133734550
>>133734511
If I remember correctly, it was inspired by the journey of a priest who went in search of Buddhist texts.

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Everything is from here
http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm

>>133734683
Cool, so we've traced modern shounen's roots back to, possibly, an actual human being. Imagine being the basis upon which an entire genre of storytelling was built.

>>133734637
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West

The novel is an extended account of the legendary pilgrimage of the Tang dynasty Buddhist monk Xuanzang who traveled to the "Western Regions", (...) Buddha gave this task to the monk and provided him with three protectors who agree to help him as an atonement for their sins. These disciples are Sun Wukong (Son Goku), Zhu Wuneng and Sha Wujing, together with a dragon prince who acts as Xuanzang's steed, a white horse.

>>133734082
To think that so many precious informations from the past regarding ancient stuff is forever lost because of warmongering and stupid disputes is really depressing

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>>133734637
>Momo
Best girl

NGE invented the trope of good anime

>>133734726
Hm, looks like my knowledge ends at the first seven chapters. Whoops.

>>133734683
It's primarily inspired by a set of folkales which grew up around the travel of the Tang Dynasty priest Xuanzang (known as 'Triptaka' in earlier English translations) who undertook a 30 year sojourn to reach India and translate central Buddhist texts into Chinese.

During the development of the novel in the 15th-16th centuries, somehow the narrative about Sun Wukong and the rest of the adventures got added. Nobody's quite sure where these figures come from, a general answer being "the folk" (but really we have no concrete idea save that Sun Wukong and the Hindu entity Hanuman share some similarities in ability and powers but not anything in terms of character).

Anime and Manga in general tend to pull a lot from Japanese understandings of novels. There's tons of giri/ninjo stuff going on.

>>133734760
Is she based on the character, or is it just a reference to her breasts?

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>>133734760
More

>>133734837
>>133734836
Both, I guess.

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>>133734721
>VI.16.15 (atrium of the House of Pinarius); 6842: If anyone does not believe in Venus, they should gaze at my girl friend
That's adorable.

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>>133734836
Based based

The Iliad
Everything ever made comes from there

Where did the "insane anime hair" trope come from?

>>133734908
Cuchulainn

>>133733815
Actually, mecha are older than that - War of the worlds (the martians), Twilight zone, etc. touched on them to some degree.

>>133734908
It's been around at least since Tezuka.

>>133734907
This.
Journey to the west is actually an Iliad ripoff

>>133734724
Shonen seems linked to narratives about youthful warriors in Japanese war tales.

The story of Minamoto Yoshitsune seems archetypal
>Extremely young and beautiful (distinctly 'beautiful', not 'handsome')
>Learns secret sword techniques which no other mortal is privy to from Tengu
>Fights alongside older brother against the corrupt old Taira/Heike
>Minamoto/Genji clan ushers in new age
>BUT WAIT, older brother betrays him for reasons
>Yoshitsune dies a warrior fighting in the north.

There are numerous different endings provided throughout time, all of them concerned with romanticizing Yoshitsune's last moments.

>>133733169
Shakespeare's work was largely lowest common denominator entertainment filled to the brim with lewd sex jokes and pop-culture references. Who knows what pandering TV sitcom will be viewed as high art in 400 years.

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>>133734908

>>133734961
I'll grant that there's more specific things that individual shounen pulls from, but the way that we think of fighting shounen today seems pretty clearly based on Dragonball, which pulls most of its material from Journey.

>>133734908
If I had to say, the crazy hair thing started on the pursuit for a iconic image for a main character, something that you could tell just from the sillouette.
But the one that enforced this idea was probably Dragon Ball.

>>133734975
That's an oversimplifying of Shakespeare and ignores the thing that makes him eternally popular among critics, his fantastic prose.

>>133734721
>VIII.2 (in the basilica); 1882: The one who buggers a fire burns his penis

Wisdom

>>133734975
Friends or Seinfeld most likely.

>>133735039
It means don't fuck gingers.

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>>133734925
>Hair is three different colors
>Twists into wire-like chords when he goes berserk
I can dig that.

So, from where did the sparkly background and sparkly eyes from shoujo drama mango come from?

>>133735100
>sparkly backgrounds
>see >>133733653

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http://zeq2.com/lite/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6623&sid=bed1676f37e37367c679b1f721ce7dbe
Kek

>>133735097
Nigga's description makes him sound terrifying as fuck

>>133734429
I couldn't get past the 1st episode of that shlock.
>>133734559
This nigga knows.

>>133735100
Year 24 Group is considered mainly responsible for the modern layout and design of standard shoujo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_24_Group

>>133734721
Love this shit http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/926/744/93f.png

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>>133731357

>>133735168
Nice, I never heard of them before.
I though CLAMP was the only really big female mangaka group.

>>133734721
>At Nuceria, look for Novellia Primigenia near the Roman gate in the prostitute’s district.
Shit, "Call X for a good time" predates telephones by 2000 years.

>>133735368
They don't call it the world's oldest profession for nothing.

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>>133734429

you did that on purpose

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>>133734721

>>133734907
>Implying the Illiad isn't just a shitty Greek bootleg of the Epic of Gilgamesh

>>133731357
No idea's original, there's nothing new under the sun, it's never what you do but how it's done.

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Before Takao Saito started Golgo 13, he worked on a James Bond manga.

>>133735592
The Iliad has absolutely nothing to do with the Gilgamesh epos.

However, the Iliad likely wasn't something Homer made up, it's more likely that it's based on older works which existed in oral tradition. Evidence of that would be the for a written work unusual amount of epithets among other things, which in oral renditions would be used to give the storyteller time to think about what happens next, how to word things, etc.

>>133735711
I think you'd have to be retarded to not instantly recognize that Golgo 13 is derived from James Bond. The interesting thing about James Bond's origin is that he was largely based on real secret agents Ian Fleming met during WWII.

>>133735781
Such a Christopher Lee.

>>133735781
Well, sure, but the fact that the dude actually worked on a James Bond manga instead of seeing a few of the Sean Connery films and thinking that was cool enough to make a manga about an a James Bond-like dude, and the fact that he pretty much recycled the design, was news to me.

>>133735732
Everything that follows the hero's journey can be tracked down back to the king of heroes

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>>133734242
There is, it was bad.

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>>133735277
Did someone ordered clones ?

>>133735878
No, not really.

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>>133735925
These are cuter.

>>133734731
But since so much of the precious information from the past is about warmongering and stupid disputes you have to admit that it isn't surprising.

>>133734993
>but the way that we think of fighting shounen today seems pretty clearly based on Dragonball
There was a ton of shit before Dragon Ball that Toriyama drew upon.

>There will never be a manga/anime about the adventures of legendary heroes

>>133735984
Well, war can inspire some pretty good art. Vietnam had a great soundtrack.

>>133736021
There will never be a Nine Worthies show.

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>>133733212
Superman had plenty of powers. Some weirder than others.

>>133736021
>What is Fate?
That being said, I've always wanted to see a spin-off anthology series showing the backstories and legends of the heroes featured in the main series.

>>133736064
I remember super-knitting

>>133736064
>That midget is cute.
Even in 1960s America, the love of small kawaii shit was rampant. Some things never change.

>>133736007
True, shounen simply means action-y anime targeted to boys, which we've had since Astro Boy. Even though most people would think of them within the genre of mecha before shounen, early mecha anime like Mazinger Z helped set up a lot of the hero archetypes utilized by most shounen afterward.

>>133736071
Fate doesn't show what the heroes have done in the past, just like you said

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>>133735925
Only 12

>>133736021
Well, using Sengoku or Meiji Restoration-era legendary figures is pretty popular, even if it mostly ends up as framework for fetishism.

Who could you use for a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-esque crossover teamup?

Or do you mean something more like World Masterpiece Theater, anime adaptations of stories like Greek mythology or King Arthur?

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Who is the George Lucas of anime?

>>133736130
the production notes/mangas/other side materials have a little more on their historic backstories.

Like there's one with gil and enkidu and something about medea.

Nasufags can probably elaborate.

>>133736181
>mac
Are they creating gay porn?

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>after seeing the Propoetides he was "not interested in women",[3] but his statue was so fair and realistic that he fell in love with it.

>>133736181
Context: It was a gag from the Robot Chicken thing where the writer accredits George as the creator of the character Mara Jade and George flips his shit.

>>133736138
Which one is Marida?

>>133736353
I was about to say that at least he's not as bad as Tarantino.

>>133736179
>Or do you mean something more like World Masterpiece Theater, anime adaptations of stories like Greek mythology or King Arthur?

Yes

Who could you use for a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-esque crossover teamup?

Masakado, Sungwu Kong, Cuchulain, El Cid, Aquilles/Siegfried

>>133736181
Someone that managed to make a famous franchise and then never produced something good again?
Masami Kurumada I guess.

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>>133736476
It's not a good bait if it didn't hook anyone.

>>133736444
>managed to make a famous franchise
He did Indiana Jones too.
Not to mention American Graffiti.
No, you're looking for someone who came into the industry as a trailblazer, but then turned into liquid shit after their success.

>>133735145
The man had seven fingers on each hand and seven toes on each foot. He's so good looking that he slept with just about every girl in the city. Cu's one heck of a guy.

>>133736599
Anno.

>>133736599
I always end up giving the credits for Indiana Jones to Spielberg, but yeah, my bad.

Not sure about the answer though. Hiro Mashima?

>>133736655
This, just like Lucas his career built up making more and more iconic and influential works that culminated in his greatest creation, he had maybe one or two genuinely good works after that (Indiana Jones/Kare Kano), and then just dropped off the face of the directorial world until he retured with a pandering sequel series that turned out to be absolute shit. If Anno further walks along his trail, Eva will get another series of entries made with him not being involved at all that it is yet to be seen whether they will be genuinely good and better than his own bastardization of the series or just a cash grab by whatever corporation aquired the rights (I honestly see this being really likely for Eva within a decade or more after Rebuild finishes).

>>133734721
is the legit or just funposting from some oldman archeologist mind?

>>133737005
The difference is that Anno continued down the path he was on and branched out despite any previous success.

>>133732609
>tfw Goku can't detect evil or create clones from his hair
Considering Sun Wukong's power level though it's not surprising that Goku would eventually be able to tangle with Gods.

>>133737485
He can detect evil and create clones

>>133736331
To be fair Pygmallion is the source of insipiration of many stories

>>133735520
>all those posts about shitting
Guess it's shitposting in more ways than one

>>133739921
Everybody poops. Pooping is the great unifier. Even if you have nothing in common with someone, you can always talk about taking a horrific shit once.

This only becomes an issue with the likes of Crunchyroll when they stop that inspiration flow with them. Before the anime community already established their morals and ethics with doujinshi and artist alley but now they're gonna start the Raid on Anime.

>>133736212
There's things like Garden of Avalon and plenty of flashbacks to explain the stuff.

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>>133736181
This big guy.

>>133734345
underrated post

>>133731497
>Street Fighter came first
And Jojo created the original versions of Gile and Rose.

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>>133734961
Reading biographies of ancient rulers are similar

Mithridates has similar legends surrounding him. Alexander...etc.

Robocop was based largely on 8th Man, aka Tobor the 8th Man. The 8th Man anime is also directly referenced in The Big O, which rips the plot of an 8th man episode directly in the episode with the giant eel. The Big O is also a reference to Big X, Tezuka's early giant robot manga. The actual guy in suit with command wristwatch piloting giant lumbering robot look and feel of The Big O is directly inspired by Giant Robo.

>>133743431
Uh, no, Robocop was based on JESUS, thank you very much.

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>>133734345
well done anon

>>133731357
Star Wars didnt even invent the lightsaber Fag George Lucas said it came from early futuristic cartoons he watched get your facts straight.