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Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
If you keep going you will see results. If you stop, you won't.
I don't feel like reading, or doing my reps, or doing any progress
1- Played Hearts of Iron
2- Browsed imageboards
3- Did some of my reps
5- Watched the new moonman video
6- Played Red Orchestra
7- Posted on DJT
Now I was planning on playing Tales of Xillia, then do the reps remaining, then try to read something in japanese but I don't have anything to read
Too bad the only compelling content there is to read is only a few sentences long
Hi there /djt/, I just wanted to confirm what the meaning of this is. I'm fairly certain what it is, but a second opinion would be appreciated. So, can you help an 弟 out?
It has a prequel on volume 9.
From the same volume I also recommend
Special mention from volume 08 and 09
There are also many great others but I'm too lazy
Does a native English speaker sound as bad speaking Japanese as a Japanese person speaking English does?
I doubt it. Japanese has a very limited set of sounds which are very consistently put together, so it'd be pretty hard to fuck it up too badly, no matter how shit your pronunciation was.
I don't know how accurate this is, but I once asked why japanese sounds so cute and someone said it's because japanese has more limited sounds and combinations of sounds so it sounds cute because it's like a baby that can't make all the sounds that we can
But on the other hand, we must sound to them like other languages sound to us that have a wider range of sounds, which usually don't sound cute at all. They just either sound completely silly and ridiculous or really rough.
So that's probably how we sound to japs
Prove it. (Or somebody else prove it in case you're not native.)
I always wanted to hear what an English accented in Japanese really sounded like and not just a native Jap doing an impression of it.
Fish oil: it just works. This is even including the new cards I do before reviews, too. Never doubt fish oil.
Thanks. I don't even know why people like exhentai, since I can go to hitomi.la and get a direct download without having to rely on torrents.
I think I had an addon that let me get in before, but it stopped working. And I've done the cookie thing in the past but it took me like half an hour to do it and I clear my cookies all the time so it was just annoying.
I've never had to edit cookies, so I don't know about that.
I think exhentai has the most content directly uploaded, while sites like hitomi.la actually just "steal" exhentai's stuff. I know I've personally put a lot of galleries on exhentai that other people download and put on all sorts of other sites. So, in short, if you want the most stuff and you want it the fastest, panda is the way to go.
>mfw I just killed a fly with a gillette razor
I didn't think that was possible
My stats hadn't been working for awhile; the thing I'm most pleased about, is in the months I stopped looking at them, my "mature cards" done has gone up to like 40. The evidence of a mature and healthy anki deck.
It's a deck that I used to do, then layed off for about half a year until I got started again two months ago or so.
I haven't been doing my reps very consistently, but my retention has gone up by almost 15% as compared to before I took that long break.
Why am I able to get into ex on my phone (which doesn't have any of your fangspangled plugins) normally in private browsing, which clears cookies after every session? Is it because of the account age thing?
I honestly have no fucking idea how people are unable to get past the panda. Sometimes I think it would be nice to up the difficulty because muh sekrit club but even as it is now, people have to resort to using plugins or doing weird shit to their cookies
This. The only time I've had to mess with my cookies is when I've tried to visit exhentai before logging into e-hentai. If you do that, exhentai sets a cookie in your browser which I guess marks you as not being logged in, so you have to delete it or you'll keep getting stuck at the sad panda even after you've logged into your e-hentai account.
I've never had to edit a cookie or anything like that though. I just log into e-hentai and that's it.
Yo how do I slow things down
it's second week, I've studied about 300 words so far in anki. Now it's starting to get overwhelmingly difficult for me to progress cause I'm starting to forget old kanji as I'm spammed with over 100 words a day, 20 of which are new
I can't learn vocab this fast. I just can't. I want to review for a week and then proceed learning more.
Post your correct % for today. You might not be doing as badly as you think you are, but it's hard to say without seeing your stats.
Also, if you're having trouble with kanji, I would recommend writing them out as you encounter them. There's no need to be stupid about it and write them out 50 times each. Just a few times will do. Go to Jisho.org, look up the kanji in question, read the meaning of it and look at some words which use it (all this information should be on the kanji's page), then write the character out a few times (with proper stroke order) until you get the gist of it, then move on to the next one.
No I've never saved my stats. I have this though.
Must be nice being a genius.
Check your forecast, you'll have almost as many tomorrow.
I take it you dropped anki and you're starting it back up? You should get the load balancer add-on, make your life easier.
Actually I pick both.
Okay, that really is bad. Are you perhaps being too liberal with the good and easy buttons and not using the hard button enough?
I don't really know what to advise beyond telling you to write the characters out. You could try doing a radical deck, I guess. I never did, but I've seen others recommend it before, so it might be worth looking into if kanji are really giving you that much trouble.
I think it will get better for you over time as you see more and more of them. The same few elements (radicals) will keep repeating across lots of different kanji, so after a whole most new kanji will just be different combinations of elements that you're already familiar with. It's just a matter of toughing it out until you reach that point.
Wait a sec, just how many new cards were you trying to learn here? You're doing something stupid like 75 new cards a day, aren't you?
Judging from your comment, doing Anki in the way you're doing it now is extremely unpleasant for you (then, 2+ hours with a 60% correct rate would be unpleasant for anyone). You might've toughed it out today, but with a correct % like that it's going to be just as bad or even worse tomorrow. Turn down your new cards before you burn out and quit. I'd even say turn off your new cards completely for a few days and let your daily reviews drop a bit.
How do I into mining? Read until I reach X new words? Read for X minutes/hours? If so, what is X (50 words? 1 hour?)?
Sit down, read until you think you've read a decent amount (or keep reading after that if you're enjoying yourself, which you should be). In the meantime mine words you think would be nice to reinforce the memory off. You shouldn't be worried about more details than this. The important thing is that you keep reading as much as possible.
I plan on making a textfile of words and then using Rikaisama to import them to Anki, but without a clearly defined goal for how much I should be reading, it will be easy for me to be lazy and tell myself I've done enough when perhaps I haven't.
For instance, with Anki everyone says to aim for 20 words a day, so I kept that as my target and stuck to it, but I don't know what the target is in words or time when it comes to reading.
This. In early stages you don't need to mine more than 10% of what you see to maintain an active deck. Even in later stages you don't need to mine more than a third of the new words you see. The only time when it's good to mine much more than that is when you're starting on something new which might have a more specific vocabulary. You might want to learn a lot of those new words fast.
>it will be easy for me to be lazy and tell myself I've done enough when perhaps I haven't.
That's more a matter of your own self-discipline than a matter of Japanese learning. The consensus is that you should read as much as possible, so if you must set a fixed goal set it as high as you think you're capable of fulfilling.
Do I need to give up being bilingual to learn Japanese?
Hello, I'm a 22 year old male who is seriously studying Japanese in the US. I get a lot of passive immersion and text Japanese people on LINE. But I feel like to learn this language I have to give up both my native languages and I'm willing to do that. However It's not easy and I have to constantly use Spanish and English. I was wondering if being trilingual was possible at this age (22) I know it's kind of ridiculous but I just feel so old and late so if I have to give up Spanish and English to learn Japanese what should I do... or is it possible to still be strong in all 3 languages before I die? I know Japanese will always be a life long process... but I want to use Japanese only!! I like reading in Spanish too and was wondering if I also have to give that up. I donot use English much now except for work. Please someone help and let me know.
Like If I were to go to Japan I would have to stop speaking Spanish and English. But like my main question is if it's still possible to have good knowledge in all 3 languages or do I have to give up my native languages for Japanese? Like I said I would do it because immersion in Japanese is important to me and I really love Japan. I have been told that in order to really well learn the language Japanese needs to always be used, no exceptions. If I can't express in Japanese then I stay quiet until I learn how to say it in Japanese. I like the method but would like more input please.
The main benefit of DJT to me, at the current moment, is simply all the people gathering to post hard grammar in their questions, like that はだ guy, though it never did get answered as far as I know.
1 - I decided that if I didn't recognize a word within 3 seconds, I didn't know it well enough, so my average speed per card is about 3s. I don't really recommend this too much because I end up struggling to memorize certain tricky words due to not thinking about it enough
2 - 99% of my cards have kanji I'm pretty familiar with so reading them is like reading kana.
3 - F I S H O I L
If I can tear my focus away from it for even a brief moment, I will attempt to rest, though I do not doubt that my mania will be inevitably reignited. Pray for me, anon. Pray.
>people relying on machine translations
>don't recognize common shortcuts like なきゃ
>frequently make mistakes in cases where there's kana next to a particle
>if a combination of kanji has multiple possible meanings, it can't pick out the correct one (a really stupid common one is seeing 人 by itself and thinking that it's じん)
>if words are slurred, it's useless
>any one of these has great potential to completely change the meaning of the sentence to something that doesn't even resemble the original message, especially the very common particle mistake; it's the world's worst game of Chinese Whispers
>all of this before the translation part even comes into play, which can be amusingly nonsensical in its own right , even when the parser does its job correctly
>there are actually people who think that they can take a machine translation, where information is outright missing or jumbled to the point where you can't possible have any idea, and turn it into a workable "translation"
What's your point, man? These people see two options before themselves: MT, or nothing. So, they choose MT, despite it sucking. No one is delusional enough to think it's good. They just know it's better than nothing. You're just preaching to the choir.
You know, I think we could make a decent machine translator it's just that nobody really gives enough of a fuck to fix the issues with current ones.
You either speak or are learning Japanese and don't give a shit about machine translators, or you don't speak it and you think shit like Google translate's good enough.
>it's just that nobody really gives enough of a fuck to fix the issues with current ones.
Are you fucking kidding me? Do you not think there are legions of computer scientists working tirelessly on machine translation and AI in general? Whoever cracks this code will be fucking rich and fucking LEGENDARY. The problem isn't that people don't give a fuck. It's that machine translation is really, really hard.
It becomes so far removed from the original message that it basically is nothing. There's a reason why it's the source of so many laughs. Honestly, you'd probably get a better feel for the story just from listening to the tones in people's voices and catching the bits and pieces of Japanese that you picked up from anime with subtitles.
>what a combination of characters mean often changes, depending on context
>grammar relies a lot on context
Japanese is a machine translator's worst nightmare. You'd probably need a full blown AI with full abstract thinking capabilities on par with a human's in order to handle it.
>that it basically is nothing
Not really. It serves as a nice shotgun to vocabulary. Editor sees "into penis butt", changes that to "he thrusts his dick into her ass", and poof. It's not good but it's certainly better than nothing. Please don't interpret this as me saying it's "good" or "optimal", it's just better than nothing.
I'm really sure that google has their top departments working day and night to figure out how to represent written japanese and english in a way that a neural network could map the two together -- toiling tirelessly over breaking keyboards, coffee-stained pants, and oily, sweaty, unshaved beards. Absolutely positive.
That's literally the only way that machine TL could ever be revolutionized. Otherwise there are always going to be serious fundamental problems with it. Tokenization is the single hardest problem in natural language computer science. It's not people working on machine TL, because the problem also applies in domains other than actual natural language processing.
I'm sure that you understand the problems associated with making a heuristic that is correct. Doing that itself is an NP problem. If you approximate a heuristic you're only doing what has already been done.
I dont get the point of the passive form, neither do I get how to use it. Ill keep rereading trying to get it, but any of you anons want to tell me your understanding of it? I get the causative form, but there doesn't seem to be much written about the passive form.
All Ive just heard is:
>You use it when something has been done by another thing
>Japanese use all the time, at least a lot more then we use the English counterpart.
>It's sophistry to imply that 5 people in the entire world are working on these problems
That wasn't the statement. The statement was "leagues" "tirelessly" "on machine translation".
Yes, there are leagues of people working on the problems inherent in machine translation. I see you went into autistic nerd rage over the word "tirelessly" (I see now why you made the inane reference to people working with coffee-stained pants. Really, anon?) so I politely removed that for you.
You blew a statement (apparently THE statement) out of proportion, angrily ranted about it, and in the end you said nothing of value. May this serve as a lesson not to care so much about trivial things, and as a lesson not to try and act smart without due basis.
>And no, it's not up to Google's top departments
I know that you're upset that your hype is senseless but you really can't have your cake and eat it too. If you're willing to make absurdist statements you need to accept absurdist responses. It's you who would be acting autismal if you can't do that.
I'm not hype. Did you think I was waiting for machine translation on the seat of my pants? Well, that's just another projection of yours. I was simply correcting the anon that said "no one gives a fuck" - yes, people do give fucks. But the problem at hand is so difficult that they are not making significant progress any time soon. Wow, do you agree with that statement? Maybe it's because from the very beginning we both knew what was up, but you misinterpreted small bits and flew into a meaningless rage about it. How shameful, anon.
I kind of smirked. Well, if that's what you've gotten down to, I guess you're the kind of person who can't recognize personal flaws and mistakes with any grace. Live well, anon.
I'm well aware that I'm acting like a twat but you're really being worse because I gave you several opportunities to stop responding without any ego damage or bad honor at the beginning of the conversation and instead you went off your rocker and insist on having the last response. Not happening. Let this be a lesson.
>Why isn't rice the subject?
It is the subject, but it's not the actor. The actor does the verb, and the subject is acted by the actor. That's how passives work. English passives are written the same way.
Yeo, I see, So is it true that Japanese use the passive form a lot, like way more than english? I haven't been exposed to it much in the raw material Ive read, and I never could see the purpose.
I don't really think the passive form is used much in English. When thoughts are formed, we more direct thoughts tend to be prevalent. Of course, passive form is used frequently, but perhaps "fucking branifuck" would be considered a bit too much for the average person.
Do you even study of complexity bruh?
I fully admit that the field has pretty much nothing to say that doesn't have to do with the study of complexity.
No, I just lurk here a lot.
Pic very related. My first exposure to ボクっ娘, was very surreal
Thought no one would notice? You were RIGHT... until NOW. I just saw the comic by chance, and it provided ESSENTIAL context.
She's not referring to hard dicks, as you erroneously thought. She is referring to A ROCK-HARD, SOLID TURD that she is about to EJECT from her anal cavity.
Get rekt son, step back, dont post nothin' if you dont know nothin' YO
Computer science is a formal science, like math. It doesn't actually involve delving into the nature of the universe, but it does deal in logic, and acts as an important support to the rest of the STEM community. Do you think that the LHC wasn't, to a notable extent, the brain child of all of those people sitting around thinking about logarithms for decades on end? The LHC wouldn't have been possible a hundred years ago. We largely have computer scientists to thank for figuring out how to capture, process, and convey information in such a quick, clean manner.
Let me just compress the semen in this slit here.
Always satisfying to finish a VN after a month.
Game seems to be far from over though
Are there any VNs that actually teach Japanese?
As in, mostly or partially in English, and/or explaining Japanese words/phrases as it goes?
>tfw software dev
>tfw so many ideas for japanese learning related software I wish existed
>tfw too lazy to actually make any of it myself and collect shekels
One, there is one of those being made, but it's awful.
Two, those things are available as graded readers, no need to shoehorn a clunky VN system into it.
Three, the current tools for learning Japanese are pretty much perfect, I can think of nothing else that would make learning Japanese an easier experience, so don't worry about making software.
incoming wikipedia dump
>Precise definitions vary, but features often cited as characteristic of hard science include producing testable predictions, performing controlled experiments, relying on quantifiable data and mathematical models, a high degree of accuracy and objectivity, and generally applying a purer form of the scientific method. A closely related idea (originating in the nineteenth century with Auguste Comte) is that scientific disciplines can be arranged into a hierarchy of hard to soft on the basis of factors such as rigor, "development", and whether they are "theoretical" or "applied", with physics, and chemistry typically being the hardest, biology in an intermediate position, and the social sciences being the softest.
>Some philosophers and sociologists of science have questioned the relationship between these characteristics and perceived hardness or softness. The more "developed" hard sciences do not necessarily have a greater degree of consensus or selectivity in accepting new results. Commonly cited methodological differences are also not a reliable indicator. Psychologists use controlled experiments and economists use mathematical modelling, but as social sciences both are usually considered soft sciences, while natural sciences such as biology do not always aim to generate testable predictions. There are some measurable differences between hard and soft sciences. For example, hard sciences make more extensive use of graphs, and soft sciences are more prone to a rapid turnover of buzzwords.
I'm not reading all that. I said "pure theoretical math", which computer science is. Computer science is not observational. It's basically between math and physics on >>133741506 .
Or you can look at it as a discipline of discrete mathmatics.
No. As someone who studies both computer science and maths, this is just wrong. Computer science involves maths, such as logic, graph theory, algorithmic complexity etc, but it also encompasses many other fields of research that are not maths-related. For example, the study of GUIs. To say computer science is purely maths is to discard those other fields as not being part of computer science, which is incorrect.
>it's pure theoretical math
>BUT DEFINITION ON HARD SCIENCE
>I'm not reading that
>Your argument is invalid because you won't read this thing that's not necessarily relevant
Twenty words or less.
It's not like economics at all. Economics is ultimately a study of human behavior as it applies to the flow of money. It's 50% social science, 50% business. Computer scientists tackle problems such as clean data transmission and efficient processing. It's all math and logic.
Economists didn't solve the problem of how to make anti-aliasing more than just a pipe dream or design face recognition technology, for example. That's about as far outside of their field of expertise as you're going to get.
One upon a time someone was trying to get help with linux on the debian forum, but their problem was so trivial that advanced users capable of helping them continually overlooked their requests for help. This person tried to get help for days until a spark went off in their mind. "These people aren't giving me any help, but they sure like arguing." Instantly, he connected the dots, and his hands began to move on their own: "Why would you use such a retarded operating system? Linux can't even dynamically load USB audio devices!"
In an instant, the future of internet communities was ruined forever.
DO NOT BUTT INTO OTHER PEOPLES' ARGUMENTS. DO NOT RESPOND TO INCORRECT ANSWERS. ALWAYS RESPOND TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION TO CLEAR UP MISCONCEPTIONS.
Don't respond to shitposts. If you get into an argument with a troll, someone has to step in to correct you. People frequently troll to make this happen and get help from that person who steps in to correct the argument. Correcting arguments has to be done because otherwise lurkers only see incorrect information, so please, please don't argue with people who give the wrong answer to a question. Just give the right answer to the original question.
I feel like one or two of them came back. The threads are suddenly 8-12 hours faster. It only really takes one argumentative autist and one gullible retard to ruin the entire thread.
this isn;t even /djt/ anymore, I wouldn't even say this is /b/ or /rk9/, this is just argument thread, and if this was a board, it would be /ar/ for arguments. You guys can argue over everything. You guys are unironically that /b/ meme, where you retards can argue over everything.
How are you guys studying for the JLPT that's coming up? I'm taking N3 and I have a lot of practice tests from this guy named Arjun Sridhar which are good practice material but there are no answers. I think since time is limited I'm
1. Going to study grammar because that's the easiest part to learn quickly over a short amount of times.
2. Do practice tests to get used to the test.
3. REPS REPS REPS
Any /a/nons have advice or more material for the test? Does anyone know where I can find practice tests with answers?
It has its moments. It was better a week ago. Maybe we should just re-direct off-topic / dumb arguments to >>>/trash/ . We could even make a "Daily Autistic Argument" thread there and redirect to that.
Arguments aren't necessarily bad though. All other generals are just circlejerking, a bunch of people repeatedly agreeing with each other. In contrast to them /djt/ is superior.
>Any /a/nons have advice or more material for the test?
Try the Nihongo Sou Matome series. Going through that series seriously helped me for the N3 test, especially the listening part.
hmm, im not doing any practice tests. My study schedule is, 1st half of the day, doing practice grammar only sections. And i dont get why you would say this is the easiests, they're really anal about grammar, but, just your opinion. And then I spend the rest of the day trying to read raw material as much as possible. BUt All I read are some jlpt practice books I ordered from ebay. ANd I do listening practice for about 30 mins a day. Im probably gonna have a heartache 3 days before the test, and cram the fuck out of everything.
Also, why the fuck are you taking the jlpt dekinai-chan?
>At N3 you can read any moege you want
What the fuck? Even moege easily cover N1 grammar. Moege are just novels, anon, and novels can have whatever grammar the author wants. Which tends to be what they're familiar with. Which is what is in N1.
>a quarter of the thread hasn't even finished an introductory grammar guide or started reading
I wonder how big of a portion of these people are argumentative autists. Almost every argument that occurs on /djt/ requires no knowledge of Japanese at all to partake in.
I argue and I read. I don't do anki or kanji and I learned literally all my grammar from arguments here about grammar. I have never studied a day in my life. I've only watched english-subbed anime and spent time in this thread. I'm currently on my second chuunige.
>Moege are just novels
Really easy novels. You can find some N1 grammar here and there in moege but it's rare, you can't really compare them to a N1 reading level which bombards you with complex structures in the grammar and reading sections. Note that I'm talking about moeges, not all types of VNs.
Fansubs are great
I'm not him, I just thought it was dumb that someone finds occasional VN screenshots more irritating than constant autistic arguments about stuff that has literally nothing to do with Japanese.
If you find it that irritating, it shouldn't be that hard to add "イノセントバレット-the_false_world" to your filename filter. He's been reading it for a while.
>I just thought it was dumb that someone finds occasional VN screenshots more irritating than constant autistic arguments about stuff that has literally nothing to do with Japanese.
I expect he participated in those arguments
Ah, so its like this then.
The /djt/ers who learned their japanese through anime and manga, usually take the n2 or n1, to see how well their neetdom has got them. Idk how much pass or fail though.
The other /djt/ers like me, are doing the djt only for degree or certificate shit. People will say you should only take the n1 or n2 then, but people have their own unique reasons for taking lower levels. They dont give a fuck about measuring or seeing how far they they've progress, they just want to pass the stupid test, so they buy the prep books.
>producing testable predictions, performing controlled experiments, relying on quantifiable data and mathematical models, a high degree of accuracy and objectivity, and generally applying a purer form of the scientific method
Sounds like computer science to me. And not only that, but thanks to computer science, science is significantly more controlled and accurate than it ever could be at any point in the past.
I don't know what you think computer science is or how you came to the conclusion that it's comparable to economics, but you clearly aren't very well informed. If you're sending data packets out, but some of the information is getting corrupted and is unrecoverable, and you want to solve this problem, does this seem like something that can be solved with soft science? What about the problem of removing distortion from audio?
I suppose that you could argue that there non-hard science elements to certain jobs that are related to computer science (for example, predicting criminal behavior and potential exploits if you deal in security, or considering what might be convenient to a user if you're designing a search algorithm), but even those jobs build on a very strong foundation in math and logic, and the foundations that tie every computer science-related job together are very hard.
I've read around 10 vns during that month, I'm only taking so long with Innocent Bullet because it's dead boring. Case in point: I'm tabbing out to post this. When I get hooked on a moege I finish it in a day or two.
And I'm not cocky. That list is filled with basic stuff you see all the time in moege. It's stuff I'm familiar with, and I've only practically read moege. I guess disagreeing with you makes me cocky? Whatever dude.
At least half of them are things you're likely to see in any given moege at least a few times. Not the type of thing you'd see every other sentence for the most part, but still stuff you would know well if you actually read VNs.
Conan: Hey, that incense was still burning, right? How much was left?
Woman: Ya, about half
Conan: Then the incense was set up about 15 minutes before you returned, because the incense lasts 30 minutes
This took me about 10 minutes. I'm assuming 持つ means "to last" here because it makes sense, but I'm not sure I've seen it used like that before.
>Idk how much pass or fail though
From the stories I've read here, those that pass have been been studying for about 4 or 5 years. There might be others that pass the test in less time but their score isn't that much more than the passing mark.
I'm a NEET, so some of those were 12 hour a day sessions. I tend to only read 1 route, and about half of those VNs are nukige. I finished Tsuma Migui earlier and that game was short as hell.
The moege in a day or two was an exaggeration; a good length moege like Daito took me four days of reading, whereas something like Kimi no Tonari is much shorter and would only take 1-2 days.
Not him but I prefer stories that have a definite progression, so I just pick whatever choices I would make myself and take the route I get as cannon. If I really like the characters in a VN I might play more routes but I usually don't.
I think most people don't read every route of moege, but I'd agree with regards to plot games. Also if it's a semi-moege (plot but still lots of moege elements) that has a "true route" then I think you have to finish the true route to say you have read it, but you don't have to do all the side routes. For example if you do Kana and Kodachi routes in daitosho I think it's fair to say you've read it.
Yep, but the point I want to make is. Theres the difference from being gud at doing jlpts and knowing japanese. But, well just see how well that hold 5 years from now...
btw, 4 the 5 years sounds pretty bad desu, no offense senpai. If you google it, there are people who pass the n1 in just 2 years of studying japanese. I assume anyone could do it, if you focus on studying how to pass the jlpt then learning japanese.
inb4 but anon, native speakers have no problem passing the jlpt, because shut the fuck up
Someone argued with me about that before and my opinion remains the same: I don't care. It's not really a big deal. VNs vary in length so much as it is (tsuma migui is probably 1/20th of Daitoshokan's text if not less) that I don't think making distinctions of how many routes read matter. And even if every VN was the same length it'd be too bothersome to say "i've read 3 routes and 3 common routes" instead of "I've read 3 vns".
Thanks. Now I know I am good enough to start fansubbing.
Maybe I need to start watching Conan again. I stopped around episode 500 I think. But I would want to watch it with subs, I just hate not knowing what is going on. I know this is holding me back.
Not really for something like that - it isn't hard to express in English, so if you understand it you would be able to translate it in a minute. Again, REALLY not trying to be sarcastic, I stuck too.
I hope you're doing other stuff to study besides watching conan. I know the assimilation guys say otherwise, but maybe just a quick 20 min read of grammar everyday would probably help you.
>I stopped around episode 500 I think. But I would want to watch it with subs, I just hate not knowing what is going on.
>watching 500 episodes without understanding what's going on
You're more autistic than I ever will be, anon. Redirect that autism to actually effective stuff and you'll learn Japanese.
>implying I would stop watching Conan until I ran out of episodes
A few people watch it. Finny wouldn't be held back by subs, and has probably already watched all of it (at least the plot episodes)
I watched it too until dropping it at around 500 because it ran out of ideas.
I watched 500 episodes with subs, because I enjoy Conan. I was saying I can't get decent listening practice because I hate watching anything without subs.
Watching with subs is useless for learning Japanese though. I've watched 400 series and learned nothing from it.
That's not how that works, you can't just guess name readings. It could be any of these:
某 すえがみ Suegami (u)
某 すえすが Suesuga (u)
某 すえたか Suetaka (u)
某 すえのぶ Suenobu (u)
某 すえもり Suemori (u)
某 のりかず Norikazu (u)
When are people going to stop catering to these complete shit fetishes? Even Comic LO has been publishing oppai "loli" from time to time. It's a fucking disgrace. I'm risking prison by importing these; get that filth out of it.
That's just what happens when you use anki for a long time, eventually you get to a point where you're not adding a whole lot of new words, and a lot of your reviews are mature cards. If he keeps using it he'll get to a point where every review is a mature card, and then eventually he'll start having more mature than young reviews total. It's not a big mystery or anything.
Yeah, it's indicative of having used anki a lot for a very long time, hence what the fuck.
Obviously isn't a mystery. He did a lot of mature card reviews. Hmm, how could that happen? Oh, reviewing a lot of mature cards. Thanks anon, good talk.
Wait. A while back, I posted complaining about how there are too many great VNs to read and not enough time, and you replied encouraging me, saying your reading speed gets dramatically faster as you improve at Japanese, to the point you can finish a VN in a day.
Fuck you. I fucking believed the reading speeds you cited. Reading 1 route = finishing the VN? What the fuck is wrong with you? I want my encouragement and inspiration back.
Oh I see, you're one of those "anki is just a meme" guys. Well consider the following: Your stance is stupid and anki is a very efficient way of retaining vocab, especially for people who don't devote a ton of time to reading, but are casual learners of Japanese / casual consumers of Japanese media.
What, is having 1 day turn to 3-4 days that much of a downer? That's still easily 50-100 vns a year, you'll run out of truly great ones with 2-3 years. No worries. I mean, do you intend to only play eroge for 5 years before quitting?
I like anki a lot and have used it daily for over a year; I didn't mean "what the fuck" in a "wow you used anki too much" way, but rather in a "wow that is a fucking lot that's incredible" way. Awed respect, anon.
I'll post 2 images which helped me find a lot of good stuff. Maybe I will post some personal recommendations, not necessarily things I've played but just things to look at.
It helps that I like books to start with, so anything with the hint of a good story catches my attention.
Is there an Anki deck or something similar with all of the kanji from Yotsuba? I love reading, and I want to start on that as soon as possible. I searched for one and couldn't find it, but I may just be retarded.
everything liar/rail soft & nitro+, plenty of alicesoft, some navel
>go search for what EBS is
>typo vn into vm
What the fuck, google
3-4 days, for easy moege, if you read ~12 hours a day. Consider how long difficult VNs will take, how more VNs are constantly being created, how I have other things to read and do and watch and play.
Moege only take long because they're filled with bloated text and tend to be boring, so not only do you have to read more, you're less motivated to read it. There's really not enough truly great VNs for you to be worried about it. If I were you, I'd be crying over the fact that world literature in general has so many amazing things that one can't even finish if they read all day for the rest of their life, with more being written as we speak. If you read consistently you can knock out most VNs that interest you by your 30s no problem. Books though? You're going to be dead before you scratch half of them.
Memory is connections. If you don't make a connection you won't remember anything. Look at radicals and connect them; connect the kanji to the meaning, and thus the meaning to the words. Mnemonics help.
More reps consisting entirely of words I'm already familiar with. Pass. My logic is minimize anki but be productive and efficient stuff while using it, a max interval would add more time and be less productive, the opposite of what I want.
That makes sense. I imagine a weird face for 多分, since it looks kind of like a shitposting face that someone would use to say it was all a ruse, which reminds me of probably for some reason.
I haven't studied or did my reps in a month
Ive read a bunch still. I just need to make a new anki deck
I made a navy anki deck
Thanks /a/non for your input I'll check it out.
So this is what it is like to be called a rediter even though I don't reddit. 4chan is my home
I helped start this discussion on moege and VN's. Cool. VN's are good practicing material because everything is voiced and searchable via text hooker.
Japanese is something completely new to your brain. Your brain is both lazy and selective about what it remembers. If its strange, complex information, it won't believe that it'll have a use for it (especially not one that justifies that level of work), and it'll discard it. That's why its so vital that you come back to Japanese literally every day.
It's also why you need to start reading as soon as possible. Applying what you've learned does wonders for making your brain wake up and realize "Woah, this is important. I need to remember this." And if you read every day, it'll start placing all of that information into your long term memory and prioritize it for easy access.
>cheated on my reps twice in the last month
>might end up doing it again tonight
It took 8 months, but I'm really burning out. Just have to last one more week and my new cards will be done and it will get much easier. I cheat by instantly hitting show answer and grading on whether I think I would have gotten it right.
>It took 8 months, but I'm really burning out.
Focus on reading, do less anki. Burning out on anki is among the worst things you can do. I'm 19 months in but going strong simply by doing little anki, which lets me target rare kanji and more obscure words while still spending most of my time reading.
As soon as I finish the last of the new cards I am taking a long break from adding more. In the future I think I will aim for 20-30 minutes of Anki per day because 60+ is too much. Probably never going to do a sentence deck again either, because it just takes too much time.
I see you're enjoying your stay here on 4chan! However, I would advise you to "lurk moar" before making posts like this
I know 生涯 pretty well but didn't put the two kanji together. This is probably why writing is important. Nihaha.
>You know what's weird, I had these gaijin friends in Japan, and for some reason they knew all the obscure kanji for different types of sushi. Why do gaijin bother learning these completely useless kanji better than actual Japanese people?
OHAYOU MINA SAN
GENKI DESU KAAA!?!?
TIME TO LEARN NIHONGO
I finally decided to stop fucking around and seriously start on learning the language with the complete memorization of Hiragana. I'll look forward to actually participating in these threads some day.